Chopin/Nicodé - Allegro de Concert with accompanying score
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2017
- Frédéric Chopin's Allegro de concert (the original composition), Op. 46, is scored for solo piano, published in November 1841. The themes on this one movement piece are bold and expressive. It has a curious place in the Chopin canon, and while its history is obscure, the evidence supports the view, shared by Robert Schumann and others, that it started out as the first movement of a projected third piano concerto, of which the orchestral parts are either now non-existent or were never scored at all.
Jean Louis Nicodé produced two versions-one for two pianos, and a later one for piano and orchestra presented here-in those he added various parts of his own creation, amounting to 70 bars of new music (a development section after bar 205, a third tutti, etc.). He also "beefs up" the piano part towards the end.
Soloist: Setrak
Orchestra: Polish Chamber Philharmonic Orchestra
Conductor: Wojciech Rajski
Venue: Studio Recording 1989
Audio: • SETRAK plays CHOPIN (O...
Score: imslp.org/wiki/Allegro_de_conc...)
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If Chopin finished this entire piece including 2nd and 3rd movement, all with orchestra, this definitely would be a magnificent concert!!!
Actually this has to be piano concerto 3 of chopin, but for some reason, he reworked as a solo piano concert piece
this was definitely going to be a concerto----sadly he only finished the first movement---but what a great piece! Some of Chopins best and most virtuosic piano writing.
I want to see this in the final round of the next Chopin Competition in Warsaw. We should demand it.
Very worthy of Chopin's legacy. Marvelous work full of unexpected excursions into the highest realms of piano writing that undoubtedly only Chopin could ascend to.
Holy shit i stumbled across another masterpiece
Wow.. it's much better with orchestra. Maybe Chopin composed this considering as a concerto but not completed.
This was supposed to be the first movement of Chopin's third piano concerto.
@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin Really?
@@federico6485 Technically not this particular arrangement by Nicodé, but I meant the original Op. 46.
@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin If so, the only major first movement.
One day a friend of mine recommended me to listen to Chopin's Op. 46, and I already knew that this was supposed to be the first movement of his third concerto. I was wondering, "Is there any orchestration of it?" Then I found this work, and I'm now addicted to the marvelous orchestration by Nicodé. I'm going to make a solo piano arrangement of this some day.
But.. there already is an original? What do you mean a solo piano arangement xD
@@timothygremlin9737 I mean, at the time I was listening to J.-L. Nicodé's orchestration, I thought it could be nice if I arrange again for solo piano, including "Nicodé's new parts". One day I found that new thing is too original, so now I scarcely listen to his orchestration, and gaving up my determination after all...
Lo, behold my amazing discovery for today. Nicodé's reimagining puts a piece that I didn't initially think much of - into a fresh new perspective. This is a great piece of evidence that you don't need to be a genius composer in order to make a memorable contribution to the western music canon. Even his own additions work in an odd, charming sort of way - like the passage resembling the texture of the Op. 10 No. 12 at 9:27. My only criticism would be Setrak Yavruyan's cluttery playing, he really doesn't do the dazzling concertante stuff justice, some parts just drag as a result of it. I don't blame him that much though, this is some of the hardest things Chopin wrote as far as I can tell. More than 10 minutes of continuous double-stops, demanding scales, spread out arpeggios, crazy jumps and rhythmical quirks.
Piano, double stops? I thought double stops are for stringed instruments
@@GwennySweety If there is a separate terminology exclusively for the piano, you got me - I couldn't find it on the internet. Dohnányi's essential finger exercises for piano also refers to the phenomenon of playing a passage with one hand that has two simultaneous pitches in a succession as a double stop.
@@Kris9kris Pianists nowadays don't really use the term double stop, we usually refer to two-note chords by their interval names (eg. 'thirds' or 'sixths').
@@KevinYang91 :: But then again, "double stop" is a term for both thirds and sixths ☻
By the way Setrak Yaruvyan really has done a marvellous job here! We get the idea and I don't know what Kris9kris think is "cluttered". The setting is -- eh sorry Frederic -- very clumsy some places. (but 9:27 is not so bad, Nicodé did good).
@@Kris9kris Pianists refer to it as double notes, not double stops.
Those fast triplets in thirds are phenomenal.
mercy my dear, i have been waiting for it :D
awesome
This reminds me of the music of Johann Nepomuk Hummel, Chopin’s predecessor. As Chopin aged he began to concern himself more with musical form and integration of the solo part with the orchestra - in part I think because he was criticized for “writing piano solos with orchestral accompaniment” rather than real concertos. This piece shows his growth in that direction, revealing an emerging classicism and maturity of feeling. I don’t know if I expressed my thoughts very well, but man, this is a long way from the profusion of secondary dominants and endless configurations of the diminished 7th in A-B-A forms that we are used to hearing from Chopin!
Chopin's 3rd piano concerto!
11:19 Gets me everytime
Yes. Quite stunning. Apparently Chopin himself felt quite highly of this work; if only that man had lived longer.
Because of the iiø7 (- V9 - I)?
@@PokeMaestro No, ii-Vs are normal it’s how Chopin writes the ii-V
@@SCRIABINIST So you mean the texture
Winderful surprise
OK, if this was going to be a movement of a concerto but not completed, then why not just make it only one movement mini concerto? I mean it's much much better with the orchestra.
I usually prefer Chopin concerti, his variations op 2, and grand polonaise brilliant as just solo piano, but is an exception! Glad to discover this.
12:39
14:55 Perfection
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@. I did this orchestration about 18 years ago I have not heard any other till now, There was not any RUclips. I used a midi score (thats why its heard not so good) of the piano solo part that chopin left and did not change or add a single note.. I hope you like it.
4:48
the parts of the original work are really nice and sound a lot like Chopin’s accompaniment with the orchestration. but when Nicode adds his own type of variation on the theme I feel like it sounds more like Liszt than Chopin especially the orchestration. As well as the Coda
Could you post the Second Concerto from the same CD, please?
I get the audio from another RUclips video and I have posted link in description.
4:44 / 4:53
6:23
Piękna muzyka. Ale chyba dobrze, że Chopin wyszedł z tego stylu. To już była ślepa uliczka.
Czemu ślepa uliczka?
@@ioiomichalicki2911 Ponieważ tutaj on już cytuje samego siebie. Poza tym w tym stylu nie dało się napisać scherz, ballad, fantazji f ani w ogóle niczego, co napisał od op. 20 w górę.
Is Nicodé Chopin's pupil ?