NGANNOU'S DANGEROUS FOR AJ ⚠️ | EP61 | talkBOXING with Simon Jordan, Spencer Oliver & Adam Catterall
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- 00:00 - Introduction
01:10 - Adam Catterall's Tyson Fury Cut Comments
13:05 - Anthony Joshua v Francis Ngannou Face-Off
26:56 - Filip Hrgovic v Daniel Dubois Next?
30:48 - Taylor v Catterall 2 Confirmed
38:45 - Would VAR in Boxing Work?
42:11 - Any Other Business
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Talksport presenters complaining about clickbait is a bit rich.
They really think they’re a step up from everyone else. I think the “RUclipsrs” do a much better job.
@@sb1980sProba Boxing is one such example
@@sb1980spropa
its not fair that talksport diss other youtubers for clickbait when thats literally what talksport do
They said the other channels sht stir
Spencer is so funny because all he does is repeat what’s already been said, and marks it off as brillaint 😂
Without spencer it's a monologue.
And gets paid for it 😂
Yess i've always noticed that! He cannot have his own opinion on things, its always copy & pasted.
Everytime😂
The video of Fury’s training session looks dubious. It looks like an old 10 years ago video taken with an amateur camera. The photo of d cut doesn’t impress me: there are softwares out there that a tech guy can use to create that photo. The whole story is shrouded in doubt & secrecy. Tyson Fury thinks we are mugs to believe his antics. Now it has dawn on him that USYK can cause him problems so he needs more time to adjust & figure out a strategy for d fight or better still dodge d fight absolutely by frustrating all parties involved. This fight may never come on again. Fury will be hoping that somewhere in between, someone comes out of d blue & beats USYK. But Usyk is very clever, currently none of d boxers around has what it takes to beat USYK.
Taking a moral high ground regarding clickbait despite talking about AJ, Fury, Benn every episode instead of the actual boxing that has happened that week, that's amazing 😂😂😂
Feels like they have been talking about Connor for years 😂
Agree. They don’t cover really good fights just to talk rubbish about the heavyweights every week
also, Talksport is sponsored by literally 10 sports betting sites plus their own and they talk about gambling awareness and hownit can ruin lives. They are part of the issues they describe lmao
Benn failed 2 drugs test and handed his license back in and refused to co-operate with BBBC requests. It’s an unusual and ongoing story.
Why does Anthony Joshua always get dragged onto the Fury and Warren naughty step like people just cant criticise those two and put a full stop to the sentence? You never hear Tyson Fury or Frank Warren getting dragged into AJ based criticisms.
And does Spencer Oliver ever say anything that hasnt been said in the previous 5 minutes when he says it?
Spencer Oliver has to go, no knowledge outside of the headline stuff and even then he can’t really give any meaningful insight
Simons hate for aj has rubbed off on Spencer
It's boring now. They are all boring. Just moaning for þhe sake of moaning
Yeh Spencer always says the obvious,too many clichés and is predictable,ok he was an ok fighter but unfortunately we didn't get to see how good and how far he could of actually gone..
@@mcwh1161 It throws me every time. I'm often left scratching my head thinking "didn't I just hear this opinion with a different voice?"
I think Adam has been very fair and I appreciate this balanced view. He was voicing what the fans were thinking. It’s refreshing to be honest
He was voicing the made up fantasies of the Fury hating Rematch-room casuals in the chat, Adam is no better than a Flat Earther and nothing he said was fair or balanced, it was wild speculation based on conspiracy theories from the Fury hating chat 🤦♂️
Good to see someone on the show who doesn’t just claim “Fury is the best heavyweight and Usyk is too small” like Simon and Spence often do about the undisputed fight…
So you only like opinions that align with yours?
Seems a bit hypocritical.
I'm still waiting for a Usyk fan / Fury hater to give me a technical breakdown of how Usyk beats a fully fit and focused Fury
And what does he know about boxing Catrell was a felled footballer shouldn’t be allowed to talk about boxing because he knows nothing about it
Usyk has always deserved more respect than Spencer and Simon have been willing to give him. Imagine being Olympic gold medalist, unified cruiserweight world champion, current world champion at HW, unbeaten with supreme movement skill and fitness, only to be told you'll get "ragdolled by Fury" by Spencer.
@@joewhite22 imagine being a nobody in the chat telling other men who they should respect.
Was Simon on his way to an Austin Powers cosplay convention?
😂😂😂 I’m creasing
Yeah baby 😂
😂 and a big mini me
Glad talksport have someone on who can see past fury’s BS 😂
Exactly
He’s not a boxer though, shame all these boxers defend Fury!
They should be spouting conspiracies like us lot do
Literally EVERYONE outside of talksport can see through it ; the fact only Adam says so is an indictment on the station
@@dontbewokei honestly dont think the fight happens, and simply pray it does
Nor do I , fury simply doesnt want it , he can't be bothered to do the hard yards he knows he needs to at his age
@@patriceaqa288
This is why this Var thing in boxing won't work a year later and 2 boxing people still can't agree if the Dubois punch was low or not
Click bait isn't just an issue with you tubers...it's the media as well. As a matter of fact, it's what the media is all about these days, including these 3 boys here.
The media is there to push a narrative.
The Sun online breathes off it. Breaking news just in. Football legend dies. Tributes pour in. I'm not clicking that. I'll go on social media. It should be there
Talksport sitting there talking about clickbait😂 the irony
"I've always thought Usyk was a nightmare for Fury" - as a listener of Fight Disciples of 4 years, I'm almost sure Adam's view on the fight was that he thought Fury was too big for him, and that Fury was the best in the world.
Talkport is clickbait central. The RUclips channels don't have any allegiance whereas as some on Talkport have a conflict of interest.
Why do they constantly keep spouting rubbish about the Usyk v Dubois fight. Usyk won almost about every round and kod Daniel in the 9th (fact). The only slight controversy was the definite low blow, thats it. Talk about not admitting when you're wrong.
8:05 Don't apologise for being interrupted Adam , its common for SJ to do so as he always feels his opinions are more relevant than everyone elses.
It would be funny seeing mouthy Simon in one of those celebrity boxing matches getting his silly head punched about then hearing what he had to say afterwards 😂
Simon should just organise a dinner between Catman and Bricktop. Always works for him.
Fury doesn’t want to fight Usyk. Fury will not fight on the 18th. He will avoid Usyk someway somehow.
Really impressed with the part of this interview where they comprehensively criticise the lack of nuance in RUclips video headlines.
Ali fought in a crossover fight when he was heavyweight world champion and he also fought Spinks who only had 7 professional fights!! It's always been like this
Simon doesn’t know that Francis is not only a giant solid beast of a man with a granite chin but he can box. He always wanted to be a boxer, trained early days as a boxer and worked only on his boxing when recovering from his leg injury. He has been training with a good team and has good footwork, unlike any of the other MMA fighters. Fury did underestimate him but he’s a decent boxer too
Fury will make sure he doesn’t have to turn up to the fight at all. He knows Usyk beats him all day long . Fury’s record is a con. You guys enable the whole delusion of Fury. Usyk is fighting everyone only fury is holding everyone to ransom. He should be stripped
Imagine letting people finish a sentence
These three are ruining the boxing media
The camera set up is much better this episode
Regardless of what you think of their opinions, fairplay to simon for backing adam! Thought it was a snakey move when Gareth A was slagging them off
Stop saying Fury is the best of the generation without him having to prove it. 3 titles defences in 4 years against shot fighters doesn't cut it.
Both Fighters should be considered armed & dangerous giving them both a competitive chance as one punch knockout artist all depends on who can connect with the first hardest punch will win this fight by TKO...let's go champ!
Wait a moment : in the fishy recording as soon as Fury is caught by an elbow, just one second after, Shane screamed " he is cut ! " And Sugar Hill screamed the same : " he is cut". There was no blood on the headgear, no blood on Fury's face, no blood on his white gloves after he supposedly wiped his forhead. How on earth could Shane and Sugar Hill could figure out he was cut? Why fans should not have questioned the validity of the cut since Fury himself previously accused David Haye of intentionally cutting himself ?
Blimey the room has been upgraded, love it! This is the best boxing channel 🎉
Spencer is such a casual boxing fan it's madness how he is on a boxing show talking about a sport he clearly doesn't keep up anymore
He's a repeater and I don't mean the belching kind.
You can have a view on anything, the problem arises when it’s done disrespectfully. Adam doesn’t do that to anyone in my opinion. Simon does, but his disrespect is towards Joshua. This does surprise somewhat because of all the heavyweights to come out of the UK onto the world stage, Joshua is the most respectful and for that reason alone deserves better than being “called a flat track bully” which of course he is not. Fury however is very disrespectful, to opponents, fans, and anyone who basically doesn’t suck up to him. I think Tyson Fury wins this fight because he’s been preparing for it for 18 months, work that one out yourselves
And Usyk hasn't been preparing for 18 months too??😂😂
@@haddingtoniangcp2464 sorry if that was too difficult for you 🤦♂️
@@freddiefreeman4119 no it's not. You make it seem like his opponent been doing nothing for 18 months.
Good discussion
I'm not a Tyson Fury fan but Simon Catterall was very quick to question the validity of the injury. Even if the fans question it if you're on the side of the fighters you shouldn't be questioning his boxing integrity live on air. If you do l, don't complain when you get backlash
usyk is to smart and will be to quick ,he will dance all around fury and punish him in the later rounds
Rightfully so - he brilliant ! usyk has many attributes like Muhammad Ali usyk is fury’s toughest fight !! believe it or not . I pray to God ✝️usyk wins and shows all the doubters wrong .. that size and weight means nothing To usyk plus fury cheats has done it in many fights and got away with it ..
agree @@BABZY627
Brilliant Show ....Great that Adam was on 2
Adam is brilliant knows the game
Pray that Ngannou boxes like an all time great against AJ the fallout will be hysterical just like the Fury fight
Joshua will probably win in 6.
Yep Fury unifies and AJ sparked out then it settles a tonne of bets for me.
@@jasonjones3638I think AJ and Fury both win on points.
Will be interesting to see how AJ handles it when he gets cracked. At some point in that fight Ngannou will ask questions of him.
@@user-io1og3te6swill also be interesting to see how Francis handles it wen AJ smacks him “something people seem to forget” AJ is also a big banger with much better punch placement & can crack you with either glove
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Brilliant lads..
2:12 then why was the video taken down
Can't really criticize others for click bait headlines when you do the same. You choose to go with Usyk's a nightmare for Fury, yet all 3 said Fury at his best wins. Completely understand why they do it but they can't exactly claim to be the victim of click bait elsewhere.
Best episode of the lot, keep it going lads, love it. 👍
Didn’t Spencer ever get his ears pinned back as a kid 😂😂
Yeah he did, but then they pinged forward again 😂
Catterall is miles clear of Spencer as a pundit, levels to the game
Boxing credibility drops if he doesn't put on a Boxing class on this Man Francis
Talksport complaining about RUclipsrs causing friction and making up clickbait titles is beyond ridiculous.
They have some neck
How much better this show is when Adam steers them into sense! ✌️
Regarding Usyk v Fury, I expect you to be having the same chat in May before moving on to preview the Usyk v Hrgovic bout.
AJ is going to try and get one over Fury and try and stop Ngannou - using that old mojo and stuff - and he'll get nailed.... And then all the horrible Andy Ruiz memories will come flooding back. A fighter is never the same once he's been stopped!
The End.
Simon do you help well established grassroots coaches?
" What these guys do is lure you in with clickbait titles" Title of video = NGANNOU'S DANGEROUS FOR AJ ⚠
Lets get it right, it's an effin embarrassment for boxing. Fury and Joshua fighting the MMA champion when there are plenty of credible opponents is shameful and just pure greed 💰
Boxing in general isn't sensitive it's fury and frank Warren who can't take criticism or hate anyone dare question them especially fury, over his constant contradictions and excuses
Usyk is a nightmare for anyone!!
Frank warren and integrity in the same sentence 🤣🤣🤣
Judge Doom from Roger Rabbit made some good points, Austin Powers not so much.
And all I hear is white noise when Pob talks.
Pob! 😂
Warren and the Fury’s are over reacting at the moment because they are guilty the whole cut thing stinks and it remains to be seen what Fury comes up with to get out of the May 18 date Fury faces a real challenge in Usyk and he is showing his real nature scared stiff he has duped the world of boxing and is not the great fighter he claims to be Usyk exposes him
Well spotted Adam, Simon, regarding BOTH Fury & Joshua taking on Ngannou and it being built up as if this is the BEST thing to happen in boxing!
It's absolutely RIDICULOUS imo, but it really is about business, NOT sport
I see a lot of stick being given in the comments, however this is the only podcast I know that actually doesn’t pander to promoters/fighter and actually poses some challenging questions. Like it or not it was weird how sources were saying Fury was getting knocked about in sparring and not a week later news of this fight stopping cut. No bias that is very odd.
It feels like a big risk for Aj. And if he loses it’s not going to be easy to come back from that. Both are great for boxing. We are very excited
@@michaelgreen7682 I think this fight is very risky. Ngannou has the power to knock Aj out. And if this did happen, it’s going to be hard to come back from this
The Fury that turned up in the 2nd Wilder fight will beat Usyk ? so now their saying Usky’s foot work and boxing skills are just as bad as Wilder’s 🙄….this lot don’t have a bloody clue. By watching the Fury,Cunningham fight, i believe Usyk gets a points decision .
It was meant to happen in December 2022 and April 2023 but uysk walked. Put all the facts forward
Its only when someone challenges Fury or frank there is ever an issue. No one else
Except for when Hearn and aj had a problem with being challenged!!! 😂😂😂😂 short memory you
Yeah, Hearn and Benn never had any problems with the egg situation did they?
Exactly 👏
@@HuwEvans. Hearn and aj literally went on talk sport talking about an agenda against them !! Don’t remember do you ??
@@NOBODY-cn6fj AJ didn't ban them from his fights 🤷♂️
Fury used Ngannou as a weight loss camp and sh@ the bed. This isn't a dangerous fight. He's 0-1
*BELOTTI BURNER*
Even still he's the number 1 heavyweight boxer in the world and not just a puncher he's massively skillful and struggled like Fck in there with Ngannou a man who's never purely boxed before. The man has a granite chin strength and power. All of which AJ has shyed away from for a while now. Let's see how AJ deals with it now he's supposedly some new man. Or will he crumble
We'll see about that.
@@Dukestboy96Usyk is number one
Adam, Simon, you ask the question why criticism being frowned upon by the promoters/fighters. Let me give you one prospective, your comments/thoughts and opinions, can effort the purse generated by a boxer. Even when you provide an opinion with facts it can still effect a fighters purse. If those that like giving opinions(just like I have here) understands that it has consequences, then one becomes a little more self aware when posting or giving public opinions.
Klitschko would have beat fury in the rematch IMO, he wasnt mentally right in that fight. Wife had postpartum depression and got addicted to opioids. Everyone always gives fury excuse of not being mentally well, but Klitschko was clearly not all there in that fight which makes sense considering what he was going through and then fury ducked the rematch.
Big John loves his freebees off the double turkey 😂
Adam Caterall bringing some sense to these two muppets.
Feel bad for Spence people always talk over him.
Is foxy bingo on the powder or what 😂😂😂 them eyes😂👀👀👀
Simons dismissing the fact that for years going all the way back to Ali vs inoki, people have always wondered who comes out on top across all combat sports.
Nnganou is a monster and fans from both sports are curious what would happen between these 2 titans !
It hasnt happend yet but i for one would like to see what drivers could compete in different cars, can hamilton rally round in a rally car and vice versa
Josh Taylor said he had no legs after 3 rounds against Teo. Does that mean he can't work at 140?
The irony of these boys saying when your consistently inconsistent 😂
Why is Cateral considered a journalist or informed/viable boxing expert?
Because he’s the only one of these three that talk any sense.
no idea - i think it's really interesting how he got the job
It's because his mouth moves and bullshit comes out 💩
No one can walk through Francis he's solid. We'll see how AJ copes. AJ couldn't knock out Franklin or Ruiz, I doubt he'll knock out Francis
Adam Catterall has all the Fury fan girls furious, just for telling the truth. Pathetic
No, Adam is just a clown name one title Tyson hasn’t won
What's the truth?
There are biases on all sides, unfortunately,people who are fan girls only see the oppositons bias.
Just watch as a neutral and enjoy the sport.
@@martingoodwin8884 What relevance does that have? 🤣
@@Peepsarestrange Adam put forward truths, backed up by evidence and receipts, and Fury/Warren got upset. Pundits and journalists getting banned is backwards, and childish.
@@HuwEvans. I'll ask again.
What truth?
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Spencer Oliver is such a AJ fan boy it's insane.
You forgot to mention Chris cormier.. i think he will give a straight answer if asked him about fuad.
It's good when these refer to the "casual" fan, when in fact... never mind
To answer Simon’s question, re why is this cross over fight happening. The answer is it’s because it’s the heavyweight division, and size and power matters. That’s how Francis can move over and compete!
Good answer if you notice most of the heavy weight the take the belt and won from older champion heavy weights they didn’t fight a challenger fighter like Mike Tyson
Unreal boxing intelligence displayed here.
Plus Adam & Spence.
TALK SPORT HAVE COVERED BOXING BRILLIANTLY THEY HAVE DONE WAT OTHER PEOPLE CANT GET BOXERS IN A STUDIO GET THEN TALKING
Are we really getting the best versus the best….?
It’s a discussion to be had that you don’t get the best of the best, if they’re boxing in an environment that’s sterile. I’m not convinced Joshua would have got up from the knock down from Klitschko if the crowd was based in Saudi - no massive atmosphere etc. it’s the difference between playing at Wembley and playing down your local park. The best versus the best, but in an environment where you may not get, the best from the best.
You cannot walk through ngannou he is a 6'4, 19 stone man with good boxing knowledge and a good chin
Ngannou is not a boxer, though. Joshua should win comfortably.
@bladerunner16 yes win comfortably but not walk through him
If the ufc was around in the generation that Simon was referring to & it was throwing elite fighters out from all over the world like it is today then I think the boxing heavyweights would have had just as many problems as they possibly will now.
The only real difference i see is boxers are trained to be fit enough to do 12 rounds & the power of heavyweight punches counter acts that advantage to a degree.
I don’t believe a ufc fighter in the smaller weight categories could ever challenge an elite boxer as the power isn’t there & the boxers fitness will always prevail.
Catterall its not about "data" is about ability and power
. Instead of holding Tyson Fury accountable, Simon Jordan prefers to criticize the entire division. The AJ/Fury matchup was set to happen, but Fury's defeat in the arbitration case against Wilder changed the course of events. AJ initially accepts Fury's 60-40 offer, however, Fury later decides to rescind the offer in order to pursue a fight with Chisora. Fast forward to 2023: Fury unfairly offers Usyk a 70-30 split, despite Usyk holding 3 of the 3 belts. Is there any scenario that you can think of where a the fighter with three belts is being told that they should be satisfied with just 30%? Usyk called Fury's bluff by accepting that offer, but ultimately it was Fury who walked away from the opportunity to face him in the ring. The undisputed fight has been confirmed for December, with Fury set to face Ngannou. However, due to Fury's underwhelming performance in the fight, it is decided that the December undisputed fight will be rescheduled for February. Unfortunately, Fury sustains an injury and gets cut, which inevitably results in further delays for the undisputed fight. Everyone knows who is holding the entire division at ransom but Jordan and other Fury disciples would rather courts 'the heavyweight division' instead of calling out Tyson Fury for his Tom Foolery.
You can teach someone to box but you can't teach someone to fight , & Ngannou can fight but A.J. should still win.
Joshua should win comfortably. If not, then he's finished.
Think far better episode with a guest who was in tip top form to bounce thoughts off
massively underestimating ngannou, beast.
Usyks clearly a great fighter... but.... fought a very limited Gasiev... went life and death with Breidis... Bellew's last fight... Del Boy and Joshua who he was always gonna box the ears off. It's intriguing as to how Tyson deals with the feints and the pressure of Usyks footwork
Who has fury fought outside of 40 yo wlad at his lowest point and windmill wilder who just got embarrassed by Parker? Usyk fought champions.
@@TheTBCNinjas2 at his lowest point? How do you work that one out? Surely his lowest point was when he fought Joshua? Coming off his first loss v fury and 18 months inactive! When Tyson fought him he a dominant champion ffs.
@@dang6092 kilts wife was having alcohol problems and had postpartum depression when he was training for and fighting fury
@@TheTBCNinjas2 🤣 so be lost to fury 'cause his wife liked a drink at the time....
@@dang6092 no he primarily lost to fury because he was 40 the other stuff just screwed his camp up and made him less prepared. You all give fury a pass for mental health so why doesn’t wlad get one?
How can we use an MMA guy walking into Boxing as a measuring stick to compare the 2020's to the 60's/70's when there weren't any MMA fighters to measure against?
This doesn't tell us that quality is worse as people love to reel off names from the Ali and Iron Mike era now, but weren't favourable to those names at that time either?!
It more tells us that Mixed Martial Arts is more transferable to Boxing than Boxing is transferable to Mixed Martial Arts.
i agree u can't use mma as a measuring stick, but u can use the weights and amount of fighters involved, heavyweights are far too big now which makes the pool of good fighters much smaller, meaning less fights, less worthy opponents, and less quality overall, imo. Nearly every other weight class has gone up in quality apart from heavyweight.
Yep. Simon loves to bring up the word "context" to assist his arguments but very often excludes it for many points he makes and he excluded it here.
Also heavyweights are bigger than they've ever been in this era. It's already a very dangerous division with the power that these guys punch at. Let's not pretend that past greats haven't been troubled by much lesser fighters before - Lewis with Rahman, Tyson with Douglas, Cooper putting Ali on the canvas.
fewer*@@jack28aug
@jack28aug great point about the size of the heavyweights and how it effects the pool of athletes in the sport.
Also, boxing has slid down the sporting totem pole. The pay is much better and a safer bet in the NFL or NBA especially for the larger men. You could have 20 AJ's from the NFL and 10 Fury's from the NBA so the pool is generally smaller, although Usyk being a traditionally typical sized Heavyweight is showing boxing that you don't have to be oversized to win titles albeit being somewhat of an anomaly at this time. But good points!
@@joewhite22spot on. The way Simon and many others talk is like Boxers were flawless back in the day. They all had Flaws as they should and thats what makes it exciting to watch because you could never be too sure if A could beat B while B can beat C and C beat A. This is still relevant in the sport today and fighters who don't want to fight should be shamed publicly. Its by seeing everyone fight everyone with varying results which will determine how the era age's over time
Simon referencing Larry Hagman from Dallas by mistake 😂
ngannou fights like danny garcia, that automatic left hook is kryptonite for joshua.
It's a total mismatch aj will do wot fury should have done and handle an mma fighter under boxing rules with ease aj wins the fight whenever he chooses to It's similar to mayweather and mcgregor
Love simon love talk sport but the fury and aj stuff they've have done to death dug it up and done it again. There's so many other boxers out there would love to see get more coverage other than fury aj and Ben
Every week they talk about the same thing .. and I still watch 😂
They haven't heard of or follow many other boxers outside of them 3.
Where is Eubank Sr when you need him.
totaly agree with spencer ...i think at 140 caterall stops taylor
It takes a deep kind of special to think there isn't a cut or it being done on purpose.
I think you are missing a major point about public criticism of fighters and this is the fact that the best are avoiding the best and fans are getting fed up with it, boxers are not scared fury isn't scared of usyk, AJ isn't scared of wilder but promoters are scared they chase the easier money.