Panasonic Lumix S9 Drama Continues!
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- I thought I'd join in the rant about Panasonic, the Lumix S9 and camera reviewers.
And I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Is it all blown out of proportion, or is there a serious problem in the world of camera reviews?
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I’m not talking about all the influencers, and some of them, especially the veterans, had done a pretty good job. But some of the newer ones are so quick to dismiss the shortcomings of the camera. It’s like there’s no EVF, oh but I guess you don’t need it… There’s no mechanical shutter, oh the electrical shutter is just as good and you don’t need mechanical… oh there’s not hot shoe, you guessed it, you don’t need it. Some of the videos got really ugly IMO.
For what it CAN do, I know it does it spectacularly, but if this camera is targeted at the beginners, as some influencers say that buyers buy it because of it’s simplicity and don’t care about all the features, well if they don’t care about it, why would they invest $1500 plus lenses to buy this FF camera in the first place when the iPhones of the past 2 years or an EV1 can do the same for much less? This logic contradicts itself.
This camera has an identity crisis IMO, it’s like trying to compete with iPhone, 1” sensor cameras and ZVE1 at the same time. And if history teaches us anything, jack of all trades and master of none won’t yield any success. Because if you think about it, if you want the simplicity and small package, you’d probably use this with a small lens, and today’s iPhone an 1” sensor will probably do just as well for TikTok vertical videos. And for the more serious content creators, not having hot shoe for mic is probably a deal breaker for many (I mean even a phone can connect a microphone). If you want a small camera that is as small as the X100VI, the F8 manual lens is laughable (I’d however get the 35mm F1.7 instead), and no mechanical shutter? And if you’re more serious content creator, you wouldn’t even touch this camera as the ZVE1 and it’s sibling S5 will do a much better job for a few hundred bucks more, and when you take into the account the lenses you need to get, that few hundred becomes a smaller fraction of total spending. So I really don’t know who this camera is for, because if you ask any of those influencers if they will buy this as their first or only camera, 90% of them will say no.
You have to overcome these shortcomings when making the purchasing decision, but many influencers are so quick to brush off these shortcomings which is irresponsible. I can understand the company only mentioning their strong features, but for influencers? It’s not acceptable, when the viewers rely on their opinions on making the purchases. This is 2024, not the 90’s when we make purchase decisions based on ads.
Excellent points. And that lens does seem a bit odd in anyone’s book. Personally I don’t connect a mic to my camera when I record, even though I can. I prefer to use a separate recorder so that particular shortcoming doesn’t matter to me. And ultimately that’s the thing - what I need is likely to be different to what others need. But I’ve learned what I need over many years. Newer people might easily be influenced by a popular RUclipsr.
Spot on. I think most influencers have sorta of this ego that it's all about them not the profuct. Most do reviews videos as it's cheap content something they can do without haveing to be creative. They do it with most camera gear. Yet all they do is film themselves there isn't a lot of reviewers who actually take the gear and use it in the real world. They just want to be RUclipsrs that make content but not creative content. They spend more time looking polished then actually using the gear they buy 😆
As a Nikon user I'm just kinda proud that they used stock photos taken with Nikon gear to promote the S9's features 🤪
That’s really funny 🤣. I use Nikon as well myself and I love my Z6 ii
I actually found out about this camera today 😂 and placed an order. I shoot pro gear with big primes (1dxmk3, medium format etc..) my daily camera is an iphone the pro stuff stays in the office. Immediately on seeing the specs and what it does fits that missing piece. I had no idea there was this drama regarding this camera 😂. I have workflow with plenty of custom LUTs I created on Capture one. That you can do all this in camera and with your phone sound great.
It is content creator camera for short video vlog. Does what it has to do but not what Panasonic and the RUclips photo pundits marketing to be. The biggest issue is that they started to suggest that S9 is some kind of miracle replacement of Fujifilm x100Vi , only because of one LUT button (everyone know that you can not simulate Fuji simulations as Fuji doing it straight out of camera) .If you know anything about camera you might get in to the marketing "trap" and as you sad camera can serve one but not another.
A good point. It’s not quite as good as some people seem to be making out. That doesn’t mean it’s no good, but making it out to be amazing is doing it a disservice. Focus on what it can do without pretending it beats everything else.
Personally I wouldn’t use the LUT button and I don’t use Fuji film simulations much either.
So it’s definitely not a miracle camera!
All this “Fuji” simulation are just LUTs. I have plenty of custom LUTs on capture one for post capture processing, ie Techpan,Tri-x,Velvia,Portra etc.. tons I painstakingly create and test on calibrated monitors.
This tiny full frame camera with the ability to experiment with making my own LUTs in field with no computer,real time etc sounds like a lot or fun. I definitely plan on working my LUTs and porting them to this.
@@videosuperhighway7655 Yeah for experiment and 10-15 minute short footage this might work well .For all other more serious video work I wouldn’t spent my money on it only to try out LUT’s. Btw Fuji simulations are a bit different then LUT’s on calibrated monitor.
The S9 same as S52, but limited recording but for me it is good for B roll and travel.
I must admit I do like the shape and size for travel or street photography, but I'm not likely to be getting one so I'll never know for certain. Maybe in a year or two when used copies start appearing and are more affordable I'll take a look then. I"m not totally convinced about using it for B-roll though. Then again it's surprising what almost any camera can do these days - I have the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 and it's amazed me. Maybe if I got my hands on an S9 I'd be equally amazed.
I've been filming social media content for over 10 years professionally. I could have shot all of those jobs on a S9 successfully.
I would love one as a second camera to my present camera a Sony A7R5, the reasons why are numerous but the IBIS probably the biggest
@markshirley01 If I could afford one I’d probably get one too, for the overall size and the fact it’s full frame. Your point about filming is a valid one. There are successful videos made with all kinds of cameras - and phones - so the S9 should be no exception. The drama seems to be fizzling out now and we’re getting slightly more balanced views appearing. Been a very interesting time, how this has all played out.
The negative feedback is not about a potentially 'meh' camera. It is about some YT 'reviewers' glossing over the severe limitations of a camera, it could be any camera, potentially misleading subscribers, particularly the young and novices, who trust their opinion on a £1,500+ purchase. I heard a story on another channel, from one of the people invited to the event, which, if true, would explain a lot. The S9 was not the camera that was supposed to be launched at the Japan event. The people invited (and their audiences) do not represent Panasonic's core target market for the S9. Presumably, something more photography, as opposed to novice videography, focused was going to be released. If true this would explain why the S9 was released prematurely with a joke lens rather than the non-joke lens which is due in a 'few months'. Btw the people who visited Japan got given the cameras on 'long term loan' which is a sleazy way for corporations to try and corrupt people, as all involved can say no-one was given any equipment for free.
I hadn’t heard that. Now that is an interesting nugget of information. I do think that 26mm lens is a bit of a joke, like so many other people do. The longer term effect of this should be worth watching.
@@mygoodstuffreviewed 'Lumix S9 : The Odd State of Camera Reviews' on Brandon Washington's channel, about 1hr30 in. To repeat, in my personal opinion, this 'drama' is not about a camera, it is about contemporary marketing practices and corruption of 'influencers' and is completely warranted. As someone has already said here, the older people invited generally handled the situation better. I hope the younger reviewers have learned an important lesson.
@ComUnSas Thanks for the video recommendation. I just watched it. Very interesting video. I think this little situation has a way to go yet before it dies down.
Great analysis !!
That’s very kind of you. What do you think of the S9? Lousy or ok? Brilliant or disappointing!
@@mygoodstuffreviewed I think it's a compact S5ii with a lot of limitations.....but I think that the targeted audience doesn't care because it will suit their need most of the time. The biggest problem of the S9 for me : Not a lot of little lenses for the L mount. (Luckily for Panasonic, Sigma is here to compensate), it could disappoint potential buyers who want a small package (I'm not sure the f8 lens will convince them)
Who said the IBIS is no good?
All good points gently made. For me the camera is a misfire. Too many compromises. If it’s for video it’s too limited in terms of time it can run and lack of mic port. For photos no mechanical shutter, no hotshoe are a deal breaker. LUTs is a nice idea in theory but I’d apply them later noot bake them in.
I like its full frame. I wanted it to be an x100vi killer but its just not.
At the price it is I’m really not sure who its for? Seems more like a solution in search of a problem than a good solution to a real problem.
On the manual f8 lens topic…. Would have bought tickets to that product meeting.
Absolutely agreed about that LUT button - I have the option to apply LUTS using my Atomos Ninja and I’ve never used any. So not for me. And that F8 lens? That is definitely one for the history books, although it can’t be as bad as the 39-80mm Sigma that I had about 40 years ago. That thing was trash - I ended up giving it away!
You’ve mentioned mech shutter and no hot shoe as deal breakers. That’s one of the interesting things about this whole scenario. For some people those features mean nothing. They mean nothing to me - I don’t use them so I wouldn’t care that they’re not there. But for others they might be critical elements. Maybe they’ll fix the shortcomings in a MK ii version.
As for the price, well it seems that all cameras are rising substantially in price. It’s just that this one seems a bit overpriced more than some of the others.
@@mygoodstuffreviewed for me the mech shutter and hotshoe are one and the same issue. I use flash on and off camera. Plus any moving subject and no mech shutter and a slow sensor readout is not going to work well. Same for very long exposure
@cloud-bytes A good illustration that we all have different needs and priorities. So no one camera will be a great fit for everyone. I guess in a way the question is how much compromise can we cope with, since there’s no perfect camera.
The issues you have means you simply don't get that the S9 is for amateurs who don't want a camera like the S5ii or G9II. They just want an everyday camera they can take some cool pics and do talking heads videos. They have no care in wanting to be behind the camera. What RUclipsr who films themselves look through the camera EVF to do so ? Also the F8 lens is a cheap leans that can be bought for those who don't know anything about lens. The S9 can also work with any L mount lens. If your using a FF Lumix camera then you'll have an l mount lens already so won't need to by the f8 lens
@@orinorio1 I’d accept it was for amateurs if it was $800…
This drama is funny because it's ridiculous! Nothing to see there, just peoples wasting their time. All the cons attributed to the S9 are not deals breakers for the targeted demographic which obviously is not professional filmmakers, neither professional wedding filmmaker, nor professional RUclipsr from the Photo/Video niche. The issue with Camera reviewer on RUclips is each new camera released should be their personal dreamed camera and if not, then it's not a good camera and people shouldn't bother looking at it or considering that camera. And this is wrong and needs to change.
I saw a RUclipsr who reviewed the S9 in context of Professional Wedding filmmaker, like if Max Verstappen was reviewing a Tesla Cyber Truck, Toyota Camry, or Ford F350 then say, "this car doesn't have this and this and that so I cannot race the Miami Grand Prix with it, therefore it's a bad car!". I'm pretty sure those RUclipsr will find that totally absurd.
As the same RUclipsrs like to say, Cameras are tools and none of them are perfect! But they're still looking for the perfect one with all their dreamed spec, because all cameras' users have the same needs as them, care about the same things in a camera as them or want the same user experience as them.
The Viewfinder thing is an interesting one. Many of those people missing viewfinder have a SLR, or DSLR background. So, their muscle memories are already conditioned to use a viewfinder. Wondering when they take photo with their smartphone if they're also looking for or missing the viewfinder? maybe who knows! They never complained about the lack of viewfinder on a smartphone, and just deal with it.
😁 It is ridiculous really and it’s definitely funny. I only made this video as a bit of fun because all the really serious videos about it are acting like the world is about to end (exaggeration, but you probably know what I mean)
I’m looking forward to seeing how it plays out over time. Or fizzles out.
The mobile phone point I one I made too 😆 🤣. Also those RUclipsrs tend to film themselves so what is thier need for a EVF. Most don't even use it yet moan when a compact camera doesn't have one. If the S9 had a EVF but didn't havea flip out screen those same RUclipsrs would be moaning how it doesn't have that. Also your point about the race car. 🤣🤣🤣 spot on. Anyone who thinks the s9 is for weddings or professional work really shows there lack of understanding videoing. IPhone markets it's new phones as a phone you can use to film movies with yet not one film maker would use Iphon to make a movie they will use a proper movie camera with proper lens.
@@orinorio1 there was a time when all those RUclipsr was asking for all camera to have a flip out screen because it was convenient for them to shoot themself or vlog. And now EVF is one of the most important thing.
Before that was the sensor size war, where full frame should have been the norm as it was so better than anything else. Now some of them are using RED Komodo or Komodo-X which is a super35 aka crop sensor or Canon C70.
That the funny part of all the Photo/Video RUclips drama 🎭, it’s just so funny to watch. Gerald Undone made is video because for once he was in the shoes of the viewer. They should more often try to be in the viewer position and have a taste of their own poison!
All that said, that will not necessarily solve the issue as it’s is the result of the social media economic. And all that drama is good for RUclips as it increases engagement on the platform and generates more events which will feed the Google AI beast.
@@jeanchindeko5477 spot on. Gerald Undone sound pissed of in his s9 video even though he was the one that turn down the lumix invit. 🤣🤣. Like you said guys like him or any other reviewer only care about the subs and view's. It's not about the product it's about them. They would review a polish turd if it meant they would get views. The question I wonder is are these guys actually creative? I met some very famous content creator's a few years back and will say they had no creative ideas or thoughts. They all said the same thing. And most just copy each other lol
Totally understand your logic if the user doesn’t care about all these features, I’d imagine they won’t care enough to get a FF camera as well right? So in this case who’s this camera for?
Sony ZVE1 on the other hand considers this and made it specifically for the video content creators. For example they made a hot shoe mic specifically for those who care about quality. influencers on the other is like “oh they don’t need this, they don’t need that”. And that’s the problem because their job to tell us what’s missing and how it affects their viewers work, not their job to decide for them.
Some veterans does a better job in telling us the shortcomings, but a lot of the newer ones are just so quick to dismiss them. Making it difficult to make an informed decision, especially for its intended target customers - someone who’s just getting into FF
For marketing drama is good, because the worst would be a silience about S9. This drama is like as: "How dare the Panasonic release camera with limit in video?" or "Panasonic's users demand camera without any limit!" For me S9 is excelent travel camera, smaller, lighter that S5 II in pocket size. This camera was designed for fun, joy and stylish look, with a still big possibility in photo and video. The stupid incluencers don't understand, that is a entry-level camera, mainly for short records, no full time materials.
Yes, drama seems to be getting Panasonic a lot of discussion. I must admit it’s making me want to try out the camera for myself, just to make up my own mind how good or bad it is. I like the look of it, but not the price and not that 26mm lens.
@@mygoodstuffreviewed I ordered one with a 35mm 2.8 Sigma prime. I do get the free 26mm snapshot lens and I definitely plan on experimenting with it. Set to infinite focus, throw in a Tri-X lut and I could see it being a lot of run simulating an old school pocket film camera loaded with Tri-x I can just determine whats gonna be in frame anyhow without bothering with having the LCD facing out.
@videosuperhighway7655 I must admit, I have the Olympus 18mm body cap kens which is kind of fun, but pretty poor. So I’m not totally against the idea of an F8 lens - I quite often whack my Ricoh to F8 and just shoot away. It’s kind of liberating.
Thing is, the RUclipsrs they used have the wrong audience for the S9, and then one guy even wheeled out his wife to demonstrate who the camera is for, but I doubt very much she’d be buying an £1800 camera as an alternative to her smart phone. My biggest takeaway in all this is RUclipsrs care as much about their subscribers as the manufacturers care about them.
I didn’t see that video - that’s really funny, implying that it’s only suitable for the “little woman” indoors. I know some amazing female photographers - I wish I were half as good as them. And yes, a lot of RUclipsrs probably care more about making money than anything else. Same in many fields though, to be fair. It’s just a bit more public on here.
Totally agree. He asked if she liked it simplicity of it but if she wasn’t his wife, this camera wouldn’t even be in her radar! 🤣🤣🤣
I think the product research team asked a bunch of iPhone users what they want in a FF camera. It’s like asking a bunch of Toyota drivers what they want in a Ferrari. That’s the problem🤣🤣🤣 I’m pretty sure a few Toyota drivers will get one, but it’s The wrong research! 🤣🤣🤣
I saw that vid. Personally, I have female influencer friends that are into small high quality cameras nowadays. They have the latest iPhones as well. I think its becoming a trend.
@@PPLRRN It's not about gender, but about targeting individuals who would watch an hour-long video on camera gear to sell a camera. If the majority of your audience consists of these individuals, then selling the S9 will be challenging. Simply saying they don't understand it won't make a difference.
@@PPLRRN After carrying a heavy camera around London the other day, I'm really thinking about a very small lightweight camera - the S9 might possibly be it! Or the Sony A7C
One thing sure is people will be more and more skeptical of those "camera influencer" if manufacturers keep doing this BS marketing scheme. What i really miss about early days of youtube is people really just freely saying what they think, what they fell and what they experienced with some product with (of course)some of bias but still it was fine cause they not favored by some sponsor or something it was their pure personnel experience and review. And you know, this product cost around 1500USD and this is not a some new bubble gum or Soda. Some people might be feel this amount of money nothing, but most of people include me dont think so. And the problem is these kind of influencer marketing could people make a bad decision about spending huge amount of money!
It is a lot of money. And it is a shame that RUclips isn’t quite as innocent as it was in the early days. But when money gets involved things change. Personal bias in early reviews was understandable. If you’ve spent a ton of your own money on something you’re very invested in it so liking it is hardly a surprise.
But jumping on a hype train because it makes you some money must, at some point, backfire surely?
I did a review on a camera memory card case recently and I don’t like it. I said so in the video. In fact I dislike it so much I’m giving it away! But some people might love it. Personal taste ultimately.
For me, most of the youtubers who went to Osaka were honest. Sure they had fun with the camera (Is it a crime?) but a lot youtubers described the camera flaws. They just did it in a respectful way....but for the internet tribunal who expect something else: it is not enough, they want bashing because the S9 has a lot of limitations compared to the S5ii.
Lumix engineers did a lot of compromises to make a S5ii in a small package. For some people, it's deal breaker but I think the target audience doesn't care.
Lumix engineers needed to prioritize the feature. I think compacity and stability was their main focus.
I find it awesome that Panasonic include IBIS in a so tiny full frame camera.
Look at the competitor stabilisation, Lumix is way ahead of the competition and I think it's way more important for the target audience than viewfinder, mechanical shutter, headphone jack, ....
@@sebastienblanchetiere1323 Lots I agree with there. I know for me a headphone jack and a mic input mean nothing - I don't care about them. Also IBIS, for what I'd be doing, is not all that big a deal 95% of the time. And mechanical shutter? I have most of my cameras on e-shutter anyway.
I haven't watched all the reviews of the camera because there's no way I'd be able to buy one right now so I'm not in the market for a new camera. But the fallout from the launch was very noisy. Lots and lots of squealing and finger pointing. I've seen heated debates on DPReview about cameras with tilt screens versus fully articulated. You'd think people were defending their home with the aggression some of them spout about such features 😀
Me? I like what I like and if others hate it, that's their privilege. Horses for courses, right?
I love Panasonic cameras, but the S9 has me mystified. Panasonic made too many design concessions in an attempt to make a full-frame camera what it can never be, a small camera given of the size of the lenses it needs.
The 26mm manual focus lens with a fixed aperture size of F8, which is needed to actually make the S9 appear to be a small form-factor camera, is a joke. If I put my Panasonic/Leica 15mm F1.7 on a M43 Gx9, I will have an auto focus camera with better low light performance and a shallower depth of field than the full frame S9. (Did I mention the GX9 has an EVF?)
Hard pass on the S9 and their cheap, plastic kit lens.
Panasonic, update the GX9 with a better EVF and screen, use the G9 M2 sensor with its improved IBIS and its new hybrid autofocus system, and then you will have a near-perfect small form-factor camera.
I have the 15mm that I use on my GX80. Lovely small combo, but I confess I prefer larger sensors now. Most of the time I don’t really need a larger sensor if I’m honest. But I like them 😁
The drama is doing wonders for Lumix as more people are talking about Lumix first full fram copact cameras. Those who dont like it really dont get that the S9 is for volggers and tik tokers. Its not a profissional camera for doing work. Buying the S5ii/x and the G9ii just so you can talk to it sorta is a waste. Lumix makes those camera's for those who enjoyed staying behind the camera and want to be a Videographer not a RUclipsr. So they make a camera for RUclipsrs. The S9 isnt a New Lumix camera to callange the S5ii or G9II its a compact camera made for amateurs.
Drama works!
@@mygoodstuffreviewed yup. Lumix is covering all camera users.
S5ii is cheaper in the used market(nearly perfect condition)...mechanical shutter,flash sychronization,2 card slots and record limits are essentials for a proffesional.Also we dont see compact primes for the system or pancakes lenses.Wasted opportunity.
I’ve never tried an S5ii. It does seem to get a lot of love from many RUclipsrs. There’s something about how it looks that I don’t like though. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad performer, but some designs don’t do it for me. It’s like judging a book by its cover. I know that’s a silly way to look at a camera, but I suspect many of us do.
@mygoodstuffreviewed anyway I want to thank you for the time and effort you've done for the video.I appreciate the honesty towards the viewers!I still have the canon 5d mark ii it's not a camera for everyone but I love the colours and feel 😊
@glpro2696 Funny you should mention the Canon. I have been looking at used ones. I always wanted one back in the day, but couldn’t afford it then. So many of us forget how good a camera was at the time and still is! Just because newer and shinier comes along, it doesn’t make the older one bad all of a sudden. I still live my little Canon M100. It amazes me what the 22mm M lens can do on that tiny camera. I’m still tempted by the 5D, but I think my wife would kill me….unless I hid it well from her!
@@mygoodstuffreviewed since you have the ef-m system i would strongly reccomend the sigma trio (16mm,30,56mm 1.4) i wish they would bring something similar to the new rf system.
@glpro2696 when my wife kills me for buying more gear, I’m blaming you 🤣
Not a bad camera for £899
I think the drama around its release is a bit overdone, but yes the price seems awfully high as announced. Sales figures over the coming year or so will tell us if Panasonic got it right. I like the overall design of it, but then I also like the Fuji XF10 which has lousy autofocus 😁
@@mygoodstuffreviewed if it has solid weathersealing and was released with a solid pancake 2.8 or even F4 at this rate.. I would have 100% bought it if it came in cheaper than a Sony A7Cii which it’s the same price as in Australia
Saying that I would have bought the XT5 if it had XH2 EVF and build quality. I’m not hanging over a dollar for incremental upgrades or a new lens mount.
@robmcd I was looking at the Sony too, but the truth for me is that 1) I can’t afford it and 2) I have more gear than I really need.
I can see that a couple of changes could make the S9 a really attractive camera, but like buses another camera will be along soon. We’ll all be seeing numerous launch reviews when those new cameras appear and the cycle will start all over again.
And personally I can’t wait. I love spending ages watching new camera reviews 😀
@@mygoodstuffreviewed Peta Pixel made comment about that in their podcast. With the success of the X100V and a 3-4 year product cycle we’re about to see some incredible offerings in the next year or two.
The best way to stop the drama is to stop talking about the drama.
Absolutely true. But nowhere near as much fun 😁
The drama isn't about the S9 it's about a Canadian tuber that didn't get invited so he threw a hissy fit. Had he not had his tantrum none of this would be in the fore front. I ordered the S9 as soon as I saw the release and before any of the reviews as I own the S1r and the S5iix and wanted something a little smaller that used all the same lenses that I have. I feel bad that camera reviewers think that they're so much more important than they really are. Viewers need to watch the reviews with a grain of salt as you commented everyone's use case is different. Can't wait to see who complains when Sony has another release and has the same type of invitational party.
Very interesting point and I must admit that it seemed odd (for that RUclipsr) to kick up a fuss. But I guess if your business revolves around being given stuff then it can be frustrating to miss out.
Absolutely agree about the grain of salt. I’ve seen reviews that were damning and I’ve ended up loving the camera. I’ve seen glowing reviews and ended up hating the camera. I’ve even seen reviews where they gush positively about a colour choice. “Buy this, it’s available in salmon pink”.
I’m sure Sony will be having a party within the next year and I’m sure I won’t be invited! I still like their gear though. Just got the ZV E10 and I love it.
You completely missed the mark with that one, chief.
If you get free stuff from a company you are more likely to review their products favorably because you want *more* free stuff from them later. It was even hinted at that this is exactly what camera companies are aiming at.
Also, the simple fact that he *didn't* get a camera from them? That alone is proof for this. Because it basically says "We want good reviews or you don't get anything."
Look at the whole drama between Nvidia and Hardware Unboxed. They flat out sent that channel an email pressuring them to review their GPUs a certain way or they won't get review cards anymore.
It's predatory and anti-consumer. We are talking about gigantic, billion dollar companies here. They don't need your emotional support! You like their cameras? Fine! But all the crap they pulled with the S9 is enough for me not to consider Panasonic if I ever decide to switch systems.
You probably saw the blowback about the Insta360 situation, where they asked various RUclipsrs to hide the fact they were being sponsored. I’m sure it’s not the first time and likely won’t be the last that a company seeks to control their press and public reputation.
It definitely makes it hard to know whom to listen to.
@@mygoodstuffreviewed Exactly.
Though to be honest, I don't really care. All these giant companies are lying to get as much money from us as possible. So I always take every review with a boulder of salt and watch lots of them before buying anything.
It's also why I'm pretty happy with Nikon because they seem to be one of those companies with a sort of "hands off" approach. They send out cameras, they get reviewed and in most cases the reviews actually highlight negative aspects as well. From my experience reviews about Nikon products are just more balanced in that regard. When it's a preview they just make sure that no details are mentioned that aren't announced yet. Like the price. To me that also implies a lot of confidence in their products and that they are willing to listen to negative feedback.
But I still only trust them as far as I can throw my new 180-600! 🙃
@@MattisProbably WOW, you're completely wrong. Camera companies used to advertise on TV and spend millions and now that consumers are using their smart phones that's just a waste of money. This is the new advertising game and it makes sense. And it's not just Panasonic it's all of the companies doing this. Leica just had one and Canon and Sony will be right behind. If a reviewer wants to take a chance and ruin his/her reputation on bowing to the company that gave them the camera it won't be long before they start loosing their viewers. I've been buying and using cameras for 50 years now and have owned, Minolta, Panasonic, Canon, Sony, Fuji, Leica, aside from video cameras by Panasonic, Z-cam, RED, Canon and there is no perfect camera. I repeat what I've said before none of this would be going on if ONE guy wasn't crying about not being invited to the party. Buy and not buy what you want. I really don't care if companies are paying these reviewers for good reviews as I have enough sense to look at a camera and think.."This guy is wrong about this one" and move on.
Seems like the S9 is a bit shit though. No hot shoe!!!
🤣 Can’t argue with that!
dude, you are horrible. this statement is nothing but a rant.
Obviously I don’t agree with you, but thank you for taking the time to comment. We don’t all have to agree on everything. It would be very boring if we did 😁