11. Things that must soon take place (Rev. 1:1-3)
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- [Audio Left Channel Only!] John writes to the churches under his care to assure them that the tumultuous times soon to befall them were necessary to usher in the era of Messianic rule.
This is my first video by Bruce Gore. My mind is blown. I've spent over five years sorting out the bad theology I was taught growing up in a Pentecostal church. Now 1 video has suddenly made the last book of the Bible actually start make sense. Thank you!
katjoyed Thank you!
It is amazing and beautiful when our eyes begin to open to the truth.
Once you see it you can never go back
Katjoyed I am in the same boat
My First of Bruce too!You’ll find solid rock theologians like: jd farag, Mike golay, Amir tsarfati, Brandon Holthaus, Jack hibbs, have these same theological understandings. May your knowledge of Christ grow in Jesus’ name🎚📖🗡💕
As someone whose Facebook feed is full of "prophecy alerts!" I appreciate a much more reasonable and responsible approach to John's apocalypse. I have a lot of difficulty presenting this information to religious types who have grown up on dispensational and "end-times" hysteria. I don't really try anymore. I think some people thrive on fear and the distractions of end-time prophecy.
Thank you, Brother Bruce.
Bro I heard social distancing is the mark of the beast 🤣 (6 feet apart, 12 inches in a foot... 6 × 2... 666 😂).
Yes. The question I generally get when presenting this info to people is more or less, “then what’s left for the church?” I always respond with something of this nature, why does the future of the church and the Gospel always have to be some cataclysmic event and a gloomy failure of the great commission? Why can’t we see the Gospel and the Kingdom of God as succeeding throughout history rather than defeated and raptured out of here? Could you imagine if the apostles had this view in the 1st century. The church would have been destroyed if such a pessimistic view was being held.
Why do people prefer end time hysteria? Gustave Le Bon said: “The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim. then read 2 thess 2, it say it all.
Mental gymnastics - keep up the great work
@@way2tehdawn bahahahhahahaa! That’s definitely reading omens! 🫠
I recently discovered the teaching of Bruce Gore through another RUclips teacher’s recommendation.
I’m thankful there are still teachers who are honestly pursuing truth, willing to share their findings, and courageous enough to refuse compromise.
I will try to live up to that kind affirmation. Thank you!
I was raised in a Pentecostal Church and have always been afraid of the perceived dooms day book of Revelations. The book was frightening as a child. All the bad stuff the pastors said would happen to us in the “last days”. I am very grateful for you taking the time to teach that it’s not the scary book I was taught to be afraid of. I just started the first lesson and am looking forward to learning. Thankyou.
Thank you!
It is quite scary isn’t it?! With that perspective I mean.
@@jaquirox6579Yes it is!! When I first learned this interpretation from Bruce Gore it felt so freeing! In a weird way! lol!
Great teaching... Awesome... Need of the hour....
@Bruce Gore. I want to thank you very very much for this series. I first watched them each week, waiting with excitement as each installment came out.
I'm writing 3 years later because I've just recently started to comment on YT.
My prayer to God back then was, 'Since you are not the author of confusion, may I have a proper understanding of the book of Revelation.'
God has certainly answered my prayers and since then, I have read the majority of the church father's and early church history. Also a deeper dive into the early manuscripts that are coming to surface even in our day. I study the original Greek words and it brings much more clarity. The internet has availed a plethora of information to those who are hungry for the truth.
Wow! What a wonderful journey.
I really don't like to put labels or names on certain beliefs but people are known by that so, I would call myself an Ammillennial, partial preterist and have always been a Wesleyan Methodist.
Thank you again brother.
This is a rare and refreshing as well as an honest and accurate introduction to the Revelation. Thank you!
This is the best teaching on Revelation that I have ever heard! Thank you!
I used to avoid the book of Revelations because of the fear that has been produced from pastors about this book. It never made sense to me how they came to their conclusions and thought it was my incapability to comprehend it. Thank you, Bruce, for making sense of this book and confirming/ answering my questions to the modern-day teaching of this book. I share your teachings with many people. I hope it blesses them the way it has blessed me. You are a great teacher, Bruce. Thank you.
I appreciate that very much. Thank you!
@GoreBruce no, thank you. 😊 You are very welcome. God bless. Also, thank Leah and Michelle Svenson. I was introduced to you on their show. Been listening to you ever since. Talk about a paradigm shift in thinking. The future doesn't scare me anymore. ❤️
You are a wonderful teacher...thank you for your well researched lessons..God bless you
I taught my church 17 weeks, verse by verse, on Revelation from a “fulfilled” perspective (as I am a Preterist). Looking forward to this! I’m not a Calvinist (of course I’m thankful for and admirable of so much of the Reformation, Luther, Calvin, the tradition, etc) BUT Bruce Gore has been such a blessing to me!!!
Glad you're teaching the truth of Preterism! One of the most powerful books I've found teaching the basics of Preterism is "Who is this Babylon?" by Don K. Preston. It's a power house read! I highly recommend you read it and suggest it to others to teach Preterism.
@Cyndy T Kalamazoo, MI.
@@riverjao My pastor is dispensational and teaches that way. Do you have any solid thought provoking pebbles I can toss at him, to spur him towards truth better? As a pastor yourself, I’m sure you are much more versed in the best contradictions to speak at one of these elders. Our yearly member meeting is in a few days, and there’s dispensational amendments to our bylaws and covenants, all of which I disagree with and will be pointing out that I don’t concede to dispensationalism. And that that might mean that I need to recant my membership, if they will require the conceding to the disspen. theology, which is how the revisions are written right now. So I’m going into the bulls den. As a woman. And as an objector. But not with the intent on arguing or fighting. But just to point out that if they are going to require dispensational eschatology for membership… then I cannot be a member.
So anyways, if you have an idea for something that could compel their hearts and minds, that Dispensationalism doesn’t add up, something I could toss as an annoying pebble in their shoe, I would love to hear it brother?? 🙏🏽♥️
@sennacheribsprism9975 Bruce Gore is not a full Preterist but a partial Preterist, based on what he says in this series.
Just home from Bible Study on the background of the New Testament.....if it wasn’t for following Bruce Gores lessons l wouldn’t have had a clue! Looking forward to this study too! Love Prof Gore’s Bible teaching!
Thank you brother Bruce. Your teaching on Revelation is most revelatory. If only Christians read the bible with a simple, childlike, logical and open mind, we would not have all the false teachings and confusion we see among the Christians today. Our Lord bless you! Keep teaching brother!
With your prayers and God's grace, I plan to! Thank you.
This is truly a blessing for all Christians. Thank you for clearly delivering these teachings that were developed thoughtfully and with a critical mind. This really makes sense and finally the Book of Revelation makes sense in what, who, where, when, why and how comes into focus. I actually felt a weight come off my shoulders when you mentioned the clear vs obscure texts in a document as that’s a common practice I’d use in work unknowingly. I love it when things previously confused make sense and since God isn’t the author of confusion, it feels right to understand. God bless and keep you and your family.. thank you again!
Thank you!
Through many years I have struggled to make sense of anything in this world, and I sought understanding and comfort from the scriptures, and followed teachers whom I believed in ; listened to sermons day and night to help me allay fears and anxieties etc. and went to church, cried out to God frequently...
I believed in the whole pretribulation rapture scenario and held that blessed hope that Jesus would come soon and rescue us. I'm stunned. Your series is an eye opener, but the truth hurts, as the cliche goes. What do those years account for- have I prayed in vain all these years of struggle? It's as though I've been duped and dumped in some empty lot to find my way home
No prayer is ever wasted. Hopefully God is answering your prayers, and your years of experience will provide greater appreciation of his truth.
@@GoreBruce Thank you!
@@GoreBruce I had better review my salvation status- I've been wrong about so many things in the bible I might not even be saved!
@@MariaVazquez-du3st The door is wide open. Whoever confesses with her mouth Jesus is Lord and believes in her heart that God raised him from the dead will be saved. (Rom. 10).
@@GoreBruce Thanks Bruce 😊
11:30PM and I have to get up at 6am....... Yeah I'm gonna watch it. It's Bruce Gore for crying out loud.
Excellent and practice.
Haha! That’s awesome 😂
Excellent, and more excellent.
Kool
Solid message with ironclad statements
I’m Catholic. But love history. Love me some Bruce Gore!
wow this is amazing biblical and eschatological teaching we blessed by your ministry !!! from Ethiopian fullpreterist research institution ! God bless your life ,family ,and ministry !!!!
This teaching is so refreshing & confirming! I am over 65 years of age and was raised with the understanding that the "tribulation" was coming and there is a physical "rapture" coming. I have just recently have "awaken" to the fact that the major tribulation that John addresses is regarding the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. I can not wait to listen to the rest of this series! Thank You Bruce Gore!
Thank you!
I have waited for this series, thank you very much sir.
Thank you for bringing clarity to the interpretation of the commonly abused book of the Bible.
{ Revelation 1:19 KJV } Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
Bruce Gore is a fantastic lecturer!
My second time around. Thank you for providing your lectures.
A thousand years are as a day and a day is as a thousand years to the LORD.
I realize that at the time I'm watching this, the video is two years old so I don't expect that this will be seen. But hey worth a shot! I've been watching your church history videos and have found them very helpful so thank you.
I am a convinced Amillennial. after being taught the dispensational premilennial view of Revelation after a while I started seeing many holes in it as I read and studied my Bible on my own time. I have gone through a whole online video course on eschatology by Dr. Sam Waldron which was extremely helpful for me. I've kinda landed at a modified idealist approach to Revelation which is where I stand now. I definitely think that there are some really good points made by the partial preterist camp, once of which you mentioned in this video. That it says these things must soon take place.
I've kinda thought about and wondered if these two views could work together. For instance the Olivet Discourse talking about the destruction of Isreal but also eluding to a bigger picture. And if it's also a similar thing concerning Revelation.
So I guess that's my question. In your view does an idealist approach fit with your understanding of Revelation or are they mutually exclusive? Thank you for your time if you happen to see this. Also this is in no way trying to start some internet debate or something. I'm just trying to grow in my learning and understanding the different Amillennial views and how the agree and differentiate from each other. Thanks and God bless.
@Chris Johnson Hi. I hope I am not high jacking this question or queries. I love Bruce Gore's teachings and his humility. He shows the Spirit of God and has brought so much cohesion to eschatology for me and is my brother in Christ.
However, I am still an amillennial because of several reasons. I believe Revelation 20 : 6 has been happening for millenia and verse 7 is now occurring. Because the world is so wicked right now ,who can deny it?
I used to believe the historical view until I began reading the scriptures for myself. Mind blowing really, cause the word speaks for itself. As far as idealist is concerned it does not pinpoint and everything is open to idealization. It also goes with historical ideal because it covers every ideal. I know, I did once believe that, because there where no other options to look at other than dispensational until further investigation of the matter.
I hope this helps.
I just know im honna love this! Awesome teacher!
THANK YOU GOD for continuing that Earth shaking presentation!
Bruce, good job giving us a good and sober intro to Rev. Blessings. Mark
If you are truly saved by Gods grace through repentance and faith is Jesus Christ nothing is scary or to be afraid of in revelations, we will not be here, and the end is where we spend eternity with our savior and master
Part of that comment is unscriptual
Wow Bruce !!!! ..... thanks for posting this ... it came on at 3am this morning and woke Dorie and I up ... What a wonderful way to wake up !!!!
Thank you my friend.
I enjoyed your overview of the first 3 verses of Revelation. Thanks for the detailed research and discussion
What I liked:
- The angel of the Lord (refers to Jesus in the OT)
- The signs in revelation (make perfect sense)
- The sworn testimony of Jesus (wow - the claim of this prophesy)
What I missed: The "unveiling of Jesus Christ":
- I think this should take more emphasis
- a Bride's veil is removed when she is getting married (The unveiling of Jesus Christ can be read as "the Marriage of Jesus Christ that God gave Him")
- For me the central theme of revelation is the love story of God that climax in the marriage of the Lamb
Jerusalem is identified as the great city "babylon" in Revelation 11:8 and so this alone proves that the writing of the Book of Revelation occurred before 70AD since the prophecies were forecasting the destruction of this city.
Preterism is the truth; all has been fulfilled. Jesus himself stated explicitly that ALL his prophecies would be fufilled in that generation he then spoke to! Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." and Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
But that doesn't sell sensationalist books or get asses in seats at prophecy conferences.
@Psalm 27 Thank you, Psalm 27. GOD will completely destroy the "great city, Babylon"(Jerusalem) in One Hour. NOT the Romans, as they did 1,950 years ago. Jerusalem was certainly not destroyed in One Hour & it wasn't completely wiped off the face of the Earth. It amazes me that some people take a verse here and a verse there and call them Proof that "those things to come" have already happened.
That word generation can be translated as race! I do think most of Revelations has already been fulfilled,
@@sameceeii9225 God uses other armies to enact judgment many times in the bible. The bible also uses hyperbole
The 2nd coming of Christ is still future. We await that event. Do not get caught up with the heretical full preterist position which believes that the 2nd coming of Christ happened in the 1st century. Heresy!!!!!
Thank you for revisiting this book!
Looking forward to this! I remember you mentioning that you wanted to cover more of Revelation, but a schedule conflict prevented it. I’ve had a similar bee🐝 buzzing in my bonnet as well, haha
He's so well spoken! I appreciate his enthusiastic yet humble dive into Rev. Thank you.
Lol I was just thinking about you...lol Glory be to God Amen
Good information! Love it!!!!
Thanks kindly Sir for riving my hunger for the word of God. The work you do in your gifting a blessing to us all. I too have a RUclips channel for my students, so I am fully aware of the work and sacrifice it takes to provide free content.
I appreciate your encouragement very much. Thank you!
I member part 1, and am now back for part 2.
Hi Bruce, I recently came upon your lectures. I’m a former Jehovah’s Witness but have been Christian for two years. As you know, Matthew 24 is a big (central) doctrine for the JWs - “great tribulation” coming soon followed by Armageddon. It created many nightmares for me as a child, as well as many others. Many of us JWs were encouraged to pack “to go” bags so we could grab them at the start of the great tribulation.
A few RUclipsrs have made videos about a WT article that is to be discussed this Sunday entitled “Armageddon Is Good News.” It is far off from the Bible. The latest teaching is that the Governing Body and the rest of the anointed will, apparently, be raptured before the mess hits on earth and they will be assisting Jesus with the execution of wicked people. ☹️
I didn’t know anything about preterism and fulfillment of 70 AD until I heard lectures by Jeff Durbin. It made complete sense to me that Jesus spoke to that generation - not ours.
I can’t wrap my head around some things though:
1. If God’s Kingdom is here now, is Satan still roaming about instigating the evil that is here?
2. Where does preterism fit in with Jesus returning?
3. “Death will be no more” - how does preterism view this?
4. Satan hasn’t been thrown into the fiery pit for 1,000 years because there’s still problems on earth. I’m confused if he has been tossed in already.
Thank you!
I am delighted to hear from you. I am giving quite short answers to your excellent questions, but want you to feel free to email me directly if you want to follow up on any of this. My email is bruce@brucegore.com.1. The sense in which Satan is bound is related to the gospel of Christ. Where Christ is faithfully preached, Satan runs for cover. Where the truth of Christ is neglected, dark arts, violence, superstition, and fear take over. That is historically demonstrable. 2. There are those who believe the second coming took place in 70 a.d. They are sometimes called full preterists. I reject this view, and affirm with the vast majority of Christians throughout history that Christ will come at the end of human history. My conviction that the Olivet Discourse and the bulk of the book of Revelation describe events that took place in the first century in no way militates against the traditional view of the church, that Christ is presently sitting at the right hand of God, 'from whence he will return to judge the quick and the dead.' 3. The statement that 'death will be no more' is to be taken in the same spirit as Paul's great affirmation, 'death where is your sting, grave where is your victory.' Death no longer represents a threat or a fearful prospect to those who belong to Christ. 4. Satan has not been thrown into the 'fiery pit,' but into the 'abyss.' In revelation, the abyss stands for the place where Satan controls. It is a way of saying he is limited to his own quarters until he is judged with finality. Christ came to 'destroy the works of the devil,' and that is what he has done. The power of Christ against Satan is lodged in the gospel, which drives back the power of Satan, because the very 'gates of Hell' are insufficient to withstand the power of the gospel of Christ. I sincerely hope that helps. Again, I welcome further questions, and hope you will feel free to use my email if you are interested. Blessings!
Another solid teaching
Thank you
Very good commentary
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the only book that say, "read me and you be bless
I'm not even religious, but I find the history and study of religion fascinating, and I love that you are able to talk about things you might not necessarily subscribe to for the purpose of showing the history of things. You're very enjoyable to listen to and I'm glad I stumbled upon ya
Thank you! I hope you'll stick around!
@@GoreBruce for sure
@@NerdyKidOnDrugs Going down the rabbit hole of history, is the quickest way to becoming a Christian. 😂♥️ It was the compelling factual evidence for Christ that really got me. Have you seen the forensic historical evidence yet? That’s a greaaattt one!
Mr. Gore you make a lot of great points; and again I want to thank you for your work.
As for defining words correctly I totally agree with you. And a word like the word “all” in most cases means just that “all”; unless the context or way that it is used could alter its meaning into “mostly”rather than “all”.
Could you please tell me what the “all” means in this verse.
1 Timothy 2:1-6
1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
It is God's purpose that all sorts of people, i.e., all without distinction (even kings!) should come to faith. If the verse meant all without exception, we would have to embrace universalism, which is, of course, quite inconsistent the rest of scripture.
I am writing this one year later.
I did not finish your original series, but I am determined to stay tuned to the end of this series. I presented my Bible class (and teacher) with the four approaches to Revelation that you mentioned in your first series. The reaction from a fellow student and the teacher was very dismissive. So I researched it and sent a couple of articles to the teacher. The point is that, although you stated here that the Bible should be the final commentary on the Bible, it’s hard to ignore the historical and cultural context (almost the exact title of your book.)
I’ve had problems in that class because I do research on whatever we’re learning, and like to bring related information to class with me. (Maybe I’m transgressing by bringing my own handouts.) I’m a retired teacher and I guess I always feel the need to explain things, which pushes me to thoroughly understand those things myself.
Anyway, I love your lectures because you take us back to the time and place when these events were happening, thus making it more real and impactful. And you always include lexical explanations, which helps to make the material even more accessible.
Thank you.
Perfect antidote for a country on the verge of... who knows what! And a great introduction to a book that has been depicted as enigmatic with disturbing messages.
I heard an older intro of yours on Revelation and feel as though I need to go back.
I know you spoke about the “preterist” view and need to review that.
I read the entire Letter to the Ephesians the other night after your lecture on Exodus 12, and suddenly saw the light. I had already listened to your lecture on John’s words to the believers in Ephesus, and finally the dots were connecting and I was seeing the big picture.
Thank you for helping put the scattered puzzle pieces of the Bible together for us, and especially for making them meaningful and applicable in our lives.
I appreciate very much your kind feedback!
@@GoreBruce Gratitude and respect... are the only two words I can think of, sir, and I’m sure that reflects the feelings of many!
I'd really like to know what the bottom line implications of preterism are.
If all or most of revelation and the lord's end time discourses we're fulfilled in that generation, what is going on now?
Jesus is still plundering the strong man's house until the great white throne judgment. He's still bringing in His sheep through the gospel.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;. No doubt it means right away or its right at the door. I really appreciate your labor and teaching. I've come out of a Dispensation background which is basically futuristic in all its teaching but I'm convinced now that God was announcing a new day, a new Jerusalem with a new Zion and a new temple, a new priesthood with a new High Priest ect. He was tearing down the shadows and bringing into service the reality of what the shadows were but a type of. You could say God was making "all things new" and better. To view all this as futurist is to miss the reality of what God has already done now. It reminds me of the Jews who are still waiting for Messiah to Come. Dispensation theology is still waiting for the "New Temple", I feel sorry for those who refuse to acknowledge what God has done.
Preterism is the truth; all has been fulfilled. Jesus himself stated explicitly that ALL his prophecies would be fufilled in that generation he then spoke to! Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." and Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." WE who believe are now considered priests and the temple of God not any building or organization built by mankind. 1Peter 2:5 and 1Corinthians 3:16
What about dual fulfillment of prophecy? I think this makes the most sense. Especially if you see the 3rd temple is going to take place.
@@michellejohnsen912 The Church is the third temple in my humble opinion. 2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
@@aktrapper6126 the third temple is Jewish, so the church wouldn't apply. I agree that the body of Christ is the church. Since the Jews don't recognize Jesus as messiah, they also don't understand that animal sacrifice is not required by God anymore. Therefore they will build the temple in which the abomination of desolation will happen. For the second fulfillment in my opinion. Anyway, I truly think dual fulfillment is the truth. This would also unify the church on this issue, which would be great. I would love to hear a Bible teacher bring forth this option. God bless you brother 🕊
@@michellejohnsen912 And who is a Jew? Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Your Dispensation theology has blinded your mind to see the truth of Gods word.
This solid truth of scripture matters. I always think how a 1st century church going through persecutions w/ great tribulation near, soon to take place, how strange & disheartening it would have been to receive a letter w/ the words of Christ but it's for a future church, not them, & a 21st century at that. Plus John would have mentioned destruction of Temple if written in 95 A.D, nevermind the measuring of the Temple which could not happen if gone in a late date. We can rest in the hope of Heb 9:28 Christ having been offered once to bear the sins of many, to those who eagerly wait for Him, He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation
To memorize this beautifully written poetic eschatological master piece, is amazing Mr. Gore, God bless you sir
Y'all need to buy this man's textbook.
textbook? Link?
@@scwheeler24 www.amazon.com/Historical-Chronological-Context-Bible-Bruce/dp/1426943598/ref=sr_1_1?crid=LSSIDSAYXLXE&dchild=1&keywords=historical+and+chronological+context+of+the+bible&qid=1589393278&sprefix=historical+and+c%2Caps%2C186&sr=8-1 Amazon: Historical and Chronological context of the Bible
@@KlintonSilvey thank you
@@KlintonSilvey It’s such a fantastic book.
What does it mean to be Christ like? He is perfection, I try but by nature I fall short due to being born into sin. I find it so perplexing to follow or is it imitate Christ? So overwhelming I am constantly failing and beating myself up. Any insight on this topic would be great. I am trying but it seems so obvious that I can always do better and I don't. I understand the Grace of God but it is so freely given. I guess I feel there are strings attached and if I fail I didn't get the string. Praise God and His son Jesus The Christ.
The most profound irony of the Gospel is that we cannot afford or earn the least of God's favors and trying to do so can only produce despair. On the other hand, the heart that is broken and contrite, admitting absolute bankruptcy, invariably opens heaven's windows of blessing.
God bless you so much pastor Bruce 🙏
I have viewed this series to this point with sincere interest, I am new to this channel and I see that dispensational teaching leaves much to be desired. However this teaching does not appear to satisfy the scriptures concerning the two witnesses.
I am aware that there is more teaching proceeding this video however it would require a major shift in the take on the two witnesses in order to meet the requirements of the scriptures on this point.
I am tempted to jump forward in the series to see if more is offered on the issue of the two witnesses.
May the Lord bless you all,
Shalom
Thanks for your interest. I treat the 'two witnesses' in some detail in chapter 11 where they are introduced.
@@GoreBruce
Yes you do, and thank you for your response!
Having been taught very much in the way dispensationalism this take is very different from what understanding is framed in my mind.
It will take me some time to consider and pray over, however I can see what you have presented as being valid.
May the Lord bless you!
Shalom
Revelation like any other book in the Bible was writtten to encourage christian until Our Lord, King and Savior Returns Again, even so, come Lord Yeshua
Thank you, Mr. Gore. I look forward to your series on this subject matter. Just fyi for anyone interested, Brian Godawa's recent book "End Times Bible Prophecy: It's Not What They Told You" is a reasonable & logical viewpoint similar to where, I believe, Mr. Gore is heading here in this series.
So we missed the Millennium and missed the New Heavens and New Earth? And the 2nd coming of Christ?
Yep we’re living in a new glorified body and death is no more. Didn’t you notice?
@@reillyyugehands481 haha. So many deceived people that will be in for such a surprise.
@@isaacmaue-tg7kl my question was fully rhetorical. Proper view of eschatology and the Abrahamic covenant will clear a lot of things up.
You are confused. This is not full preterism. This is partial preterism, for which "Last Day" events have not yet happened.
The book of Revelation is very challenging. It has many different symbols, also covers a lot of time in human history, without giving any clear date. I don't agree wit the Darby / Scofield doctrine, preached right now by evangelicals, but I'm not a preterist either. Either way what I know is that Jesus hasn't returned yet, so there're some prophecies left.
Thank you for your service to God and His people. These lessons are very helpful. Would it be possible to get your lecture slides? Thanks
Please contact me at bruce@brucegore.com for download links. Thanks!
Who was it written to?
What did it meant to them?
What does it mean to me today?
looking forward for the next one .
This is good!
Excellent start to an excellent series I can imagine! Thanks Bruce and team for sharing.
I would just throw in that as 'the time is near' for it all to take place, and we are going to insist that that meant it was to take place within that generation then surely that applies to everything included in the book including the new heavens and the new earth, the great white throne judgement etc., for the sake of consistency does that not rule out partial preterism and justify full preterism?
No, in my opinion. I will treat that topic in chapter 10, and more extensively in chapter 20. Thanks for the kind feedback.
If the blessing is for those who read and keep (consume the words and obey the words, then how does this blessing cover the prophecy proper, chapters four through halfway through 22, for there are no instructions in this section, which constitutes the majority of the book?
Also, many people today cannot read. I believe I can safely say many people in John's day also could not read. It sounds as if John (God through John) is simply covering the bases by saying not only those who read but also those who are restricted to hearing are blessed too. Why? Because of the importance and purpose of this particular verses message. (Hint: There is more to this blessing than simply being blessed by reading and or hearing. It has to do with the keeping, which has equal status to hearing.)
good point , with the sign
I have enjoyed your lessons on history but since I started watching the classes on Revelation I've discovered your Preterist leanings. Though I think you make some valid points in support of this method you seem to focus on those passages that affirm your position while ignoring those that don't. For for instance, you highlight verse 1 and verse 3 of chapter 1 but seem to overlook verse 11 of chapter 3 and 22:7. It's clear that Jesus has not yet returned so when he says "I'm coming soon" we cannot assume God's view of time is the same as ours. Soon obviously means an entirely different length of time to God than it does to us.
If "soon" can mean anything it means nothing.
@@PreachingJesus Where in my post do I state that "soon" can mean anything?
@@perrymckinnon2220 you said soon could mean something entirely different to God. Which is true. Everything is soon to God. 10 million years could be soon to God. But when God speaks to us he uses words with meanings that we understand. If soon doesn't mean soon as in the normal sense that the word is used, but can mean any indefinite period of time, then soon has no meaning at all.
@@PreachingJesus When you say that "God uses words with meanings that we can understand" are you saying that He intends for us to understand every word in Revelation, or all of scripture? I think not. The Bible is full of mystery that we will not understand in this life and prophecy, which is full of images and figures, is usually only understood in hindsight. Soon simply means an unspecific time in the future. That is not anything. That is something. You cannot define exactly when soon is because soon is not an exact term.
@@PreachingJesus Revelation 22:12-13 (ESV): Behold, I am coming SOON, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
Question: Has Jesus returned yet? Answer: No. So what does soon mean in this verse?
Which translation of the Bible do you suggest reading Revelation aloud?
The NIV is probably the most natural English, and easiest to memorize. The ESV is generally the most faithful to the best available manuscripts.
This is really good stuff! I don't know Protestant 'thinking' much (Catholic whose Papa is Jesus because Rome... woah) except that it usually scares when people who make this incredible "summation"/"revelation of God throughout time into "a zombie apocalypse" as some sort of SALVIFIC line in the sand ("believe it this way or burn in Hell forever"). They sap the beauty right out of it.
Amos 3.7: For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secrets to his servants, the prophets
St. John wrote this and spread it out (imho) before Jerusalem got sacked and Rome burned. Who could have GUESSED at such a thing? It was HUGE! Poor St. John probably got scoffed at so hard he had to run from scoffers and then not only did Jerusalem fall, but Rome had the fire (which 6th king Nero blamed on the Christians) and VESUVIUS BLEW. I hope you have something about those tidbits of history in this series. No, I don't know (or won't say for certain) that Jesus came back and was seen by everyone - I believe many OT prophecies (and what Jesus said!) about the day of the Lord with the darkness and the dead rising HAPPENED from the Passion of Christ (earthquake, dead coming out of graves, *darkness over the land* ) through to Pentecost of the same year!
_I wouldn't stake my soul on any of my thoughts,_ of course. Anyway, this is a neat series. Did you do those artworks? I'm learning to paint (watercolours, not oil) and I get to the horse rider and find myself unable to depict Jesus so I leave a huge "white light" (paper with no paint). I mostly focus my art on God's creation (birds and animals) and even then I'm worried people might worship some paint on paper because people can be stupid! But the paintings are interesting. Do you have them in a collection, and if so, can you link us up? I.X.
Thank for your thoughtful and insightful post! The images I displayed are all just stuff I picked up poking around the web. When it comes to original art, I am genuinely 'impaired.' Thanks again.
Great teaching Bruce. It's clear to me, that everything in the book of Revelation has been fulfilled at the destruction of Jerusalem. (The fall of Babylon the great city) the kingdom was taken from apostate Israel and given to those who come to faith in Christ. For myself the book clearly tells us that everything spoken of in it MUST SHORTLY come to pass. This includes the marriage feast, the Heavenly Jerusalem which replaced the earthly Jerusalem, and whose gates remain open for all who will come and drink from the river of life which flows from the throne of the Lamb.(Salvation has come) Christ having ushered in the New Heavens and Earth aka The New Covenant World replacing the old covenant world which was at their time ready to vanish away, and the Parousia of the Lord at the 7th trumpet. The book of Revelation fully agrees with Jesus own words in Luke 21:20-22 and in so many other passages. "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies....etc. For these are the days of vengeance in which "ALL THINGS WRITTEN MUST BE FULFILLED." There is nothing in Revelation that we can justify as to not having been fulfilled ,(as much as some may not like it) ,when it clearly tells us that the time was near, and about to shortly take place including Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says," SURELY I AM COMING QUICKLY." I believe HE kept HIS WORD. :) Appreciate your teaching Bruce!
Preterism is the truth; all has been fulfilled. Jesus himself stated explicitly that ALL his prophecies would be fufilled in that generation he then spoke to! Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." and Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Another good one is in Revelation where it explicitly identifies Jerusalem as the Beast government and great city of "babylon" to be identified as Jerusalem itself! Rev. 11:8 "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." Jerusalem is also referred to as Sodom and Gommorah in Isaiah 1:10 and Deuteronomy 32:32
Mystery Babylon was apostate Israel of the first century. They were filled up with measure of their fathers sin of killing all the prophets that were sent to Israel. Now they were the terminal generation who handed Christ over to be crucified and kill the prophets that Christ sent to them. MATT 23 and 24. The judgment of Mystery Babylon is apostate Israel of the first century. It can't be missed when you see Rev 18 together with Matt 23. Israel of 1948 has nothing to do with bible prophecy.
question. please tell us when John wrote this letter. I assume it is before 68 AD to the 7 churches of Asia and evidence to support this belief.
For a scholarly treatment of this question, please see Ken Gentry, Before Jerusalem Fell.
www.amazon.com/Before-Jerusalem-Fell-Dating-Revelation/dp/0982620608/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1F97HHATG94EJ&keywords=ken+gentry&qid=1651767733&sprefix=ken+gentry%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-1
don't forget the third reference of the joke, "What thou doest, do quickly"
All Biblical prophecy have their origin during the old covenant. That being the case, all prophecies needed to be fulfilled during the duration of that covenant period, extending beyond into the new covenant would (by definition) make our God a covenant breaker.
Something to consider.
Yes, which is why Jesus said all the prophecies of the Old Covenant were 'until John.' John introduced Jesus, and everything changed!
One clue whereby we know that Revelation is not describing literal future events: "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." The plagues described in this book can be experienced by anyone, any time. I believe that is the reason there is so much "end times madness" out there. They got the plague by adding to the book things that are not there.
Bruce Gore, thank you.
jesusofnazarethkingofthejews bless you and yours.
p.s. would someone please post the link for version #1 in the reply of this post
ruclips.net/video/rTqxCTu2OjM/видео.html
Psalm 27 he was from Judah and the word “Jew” is understood to mean from that tribe.
what happened to the voice audio? Music was heard, my machine is working normally. ?
Sorry. Audio on left channel only.
Thank you so much! You make it easy to understand and I enjoy that. Could you tell me what the first 10 lectures were on if this is number 11? I was surprised to hear that this is the beginning. I thought I missed something.
The first ten were part of an introductory series you can find here:
ruclips.net/video/rTqxCTu2OjM/видео.html
Thanks for your interest!
I'm an atheist but i fully agree full preterist eschatology is the correct interpretion of the so called "end times"
Just want to clarify that he is not a "Full" Preterist. Preterism (often called Partial Preterism) and Full Preterism are not the same. Full Preterism is heresy.
Dr. Gore, do you have notes for the various videos on this series? PDFs of what you wrote down, as you talked about it- that you could post, or send via email, even for a price? I am thinking this would be a GREAT Sunday School Adult Bible study for our home church in an age of idiocy...
The PowerPoints that accompany these lectures are available if you would like them. Please contact me at bruce@brucegore.com. Thanks for your interest!
Does anyone know of a more clear verses about not entertaining people making predictions than the ones shown at 28:30? I’m trying to talk some sense into my mom who is overcome by fear from the prophesy club - so much so she spends days fasting and not leaving her room.
The Real Jake Dean I hope it is of use to you. A new covenant prophet is one who reproves the church. It’s definitely not for profit.
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.-1 Corinthians 13:8-10
For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.-Jeremiah 29:8
The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord. Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord. And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the Lord? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the Lord.-Jeremiah 23:28-33
My suggestion to you is to show your mom the first chapter of the book of Revelation. Show her that this was a book written in the first century to seven specific churches in Asia minor and the events written in it were soon to take place in their day. The prophecy club is a deceptive organization leading many astray.
I guess I'm a little confused. When it says there will be no more death or sorrow or crying, is this talking about the seige of Jerusalem, or the entirety of time after 70 ad? What about the persecution of Diocletian, Domitian, etc...? Which video addresses this question. I appreciate the history, I really do, but if all the language is "sign" language, then shouldn't "quickly" be "sign" language also? We aren't apt to picking and choosing I hope. Forgive me if these questions seem rudimentary, but there are things spoken of especially in chapters 21 and 22 that have just not happened. And if they have happened by "signification" as through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then I'm confused why a prophecy would need to speak of it happening in the future (even quickly) if Pentecost happened some 30-40 years prior.
Those are excellent questions. I deal with them later in this series, especially in the lectures that cover chapters 21 and 22. Thanks for your interest!
Audio is messed up. I thought is was me, but I can here the intro music fine, but when he talks it’s to low to make out, even at max volume.
Sorry. Audio on left channel only.
@@GoreBruce lol, of course I was using my right ear bud. Thanks for the reply, and also for doing a detailed part 2!
As per your second principle of hermeneutics, I also ask two questions: 1) Why is that in the Bible? ; 2) If I let Scripture interpret Scripture, am I getting into a circular argument or a paradox deriving from self-referentiality? This often refuted agenda based interpretations. Granted that this is Deductive Reasoning which contrasts to the Inductive Reasoning of Hermeneutics, but it is often important to stress “what is NOT meant” as per your discourse about the Greek that implies that “ these things will take place soon”.
Thanks for your thoughts. Circular reasoning means assuming the conclusion to reach the conclusion, which is a fallacy. The analogia fides is simply another way of saying read the text in its biblical context, and assume the Bible does not contradict itself.
Bruce Gore According to the Great Mathematician and Theologian Kurt Godel, finite closed systems have built-in Paradoxes. This should grate at you unless you can show that the Bible is either not finite or not closed. One way is to treat the Bible as that subset of Tradition elevated to Scriptural status. This is getting crazy, isn’t it?
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Fair enough. Thanks for your perspective.
@@claytonbenignus4688 the Bible is infinite because it is the word of God and God is eternal.
Where is Revelation 12 to 22, I'm particularly interested with Babylon the Great and all the Wild Beasts. Tnx.
This series is a work in progress. We will be starting the last half of Revelation in September.
So is there an actual resurrection of the dead? Or we just die and that is it?
@favoured lisa. Yes there is the day of resurrection, wherein Jesus Christ will come and judge the living and the dead. Whosoever is on the right side go into the eternal existence of glory. Whosoever is on the left side will go into the Gehenna of fire, which is the second death.
Yes the partial preterist position is that the resurrection of the dead, along with other "Last Day" events have not yet happened. Full preterists teach that everything has happened. Needless to say we "partial" folks strongly disagree.
Ahh Bruce you could have skipped lesson #1 as in God has planned certain things... So when my relationship with my 1st wife met its termination and I had my day in court and I was very happy to both be in court and to hear the judge grant me custody I did not vent my anger, frustration at her but directly at God. I read through Job in hopes of some healing. Do you know what the message of Job is at least God's response to Job? Basically God says 'Suck it up, baby. I am God and I can do whatever I desire.' Loosely translated. I kept trying to kick God out of my life from 5/87 to 6/96. Let me tell you and everyone on the channel GOD IS FAITHFUL AND IF YOU ARE TRULY ONE OF HIS YOUR IN GOOD HANDS even if you don't like it.He did get my attention and that shepherd's crook latched on to my neck and He brought back to Him. It took Him placing a .45 against my ear and telling me 'If you really want Me to let this guy pull the trigger, I will.' I said I have a son to raise, so here I am giving glory to God for that which took place. 1) God is faithful, 2) eventually in His time we benefit from the hurtful time, 3) if we are very fortunate we can reach a point in our life and look at those times and Praise God for them. So Bruce, I do praise God for her. I do not need to write her name. Who knows someone here might know her. I do not wish to cause her any hurt by divulging her name. As always since '73 to now your teaching reaches the heart and causes one to thank God for His blessings. THX
From the time of Jesus' crucification to the complete destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, was about forty years (if my math is right). Since the temple veil had been destroyed so as to reveal the inner sanctuary, how did they carry on with their traditional rituals? The very idea that they still sacrificed animals and not recognize that Christ became the ultimate sacrifice once and for all, to me is abominable in and of itself! Am I right to assume, that is why Jerusalem was anhilated?
The annihilation of Jerusalem and the old temple in 70AD was the culmination of all biblical prophecy. They were judged and utterly destroyed for forsaking their covenant and murdering jesus and the prophets. Jesus himself stated explicitly that ALL his prophecies would be fufilled in that generation he then spoke to! Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." and Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." WE who believe are now considered priests and the temple of God not any building or organization built by mankind. 1Peter 2:5 and 1Corinthians 3:16
Tell me if Revelation all happened long ago how are the locust helicopters?
You will find my treatment of the locusts here:
ruclips.net/video/hbCIRQk4vZY/видео.html
Are there any Presbyterian churches who are preterists?
Yes!!
How old was st Jhon on 95 AD?
John was probably about 20 when he became disciple of Jesus around the year 28 or so. You can do the math from there.
Does this teaching cover the verses where Jesus says he is coming quickly? If not, is there a teaching that does?
I treat the idea of Jesus coming soon in #13 of this series.
ruclips.net/video/c5OhE74Wf5k/видео.html
The phrase itself is found in the letter to the church at Philadelphia, later in this series.
@@GoreBruce thanks. I'm assuming you'll probably go over it again when you get to Revelation chapter 22?
@@PreachingJesus Yes!
@@GoreBruce I appreciate you writinging back. I have another question. I just watched the video On Earth as it is in Heaven that features yourself and a couple other guys. One of the points for post-millennialism is made from Revelation 7:9 regarding the amount of people that cannot be numbered. But isn't that part of the book of Revelation supposed to have happened in the first century specifically regarding the fall of Jerusalem? Right after that it speaks of the martyrs. So how do you pull that verse out and apply it to the view at the end of the age and not say that that's the case in the first century? Because it doesn't seem like in the first century there could be such a large number of saints that you couldn't count them.
@@PreachingJesus Revelation certainly applies initially and primarily to the first century, but if it was true then, it follows that it will continue to be increasingly the case throughout the centuries of Christian history.
Apocalipse foi escrito para acontecer em breve Apo 1:1, em 70 dC aconteceu. Por isso, "em breve".
Daniel 12 and revelation 10! Are they talking about the same book. One it’s closed and now it’s open in revelation?
Also God knows the end from the beginning. In Luke pray you find yourself worthy to escape all these things. IS 68 our righteousness is filthy rags. This isn’t worthy. Revelation no one was worthy to open the book but the lamb (Jesus). That tells me no one was worthy to escape, therefore God sent his son who is worthy. Now we are going through persecution finding ourselves unworthy to escape these things. Is this correct? Scripture interpreting scripture!
The word 'worthy' must be understood in its specific context, which varies. The sealed book of Daniel points to the time of Messiah, which was 500 hundred years in his future (roughly). The book of Revelation reveals Messiah, and in that sense, one could say that the sealed book of Daniel was opened in Revelation.
@@GoreBruce thank you Bruce for your response. I appreciate it!
wonderful presentation, just a spelling error for "αποκαλυψiς", but I'm sure you already caught it.
Actually I hadn't till this moment! Thanks!
The Greek says "...to be coming in swiftness..." The word phrase "in swiftness" does not mean soon but means occurring in a short period of time. For example, next year, on June 22, the shortest night of the year will pass in swiftness.
Whatever was to happen was to happen both soon (time is at hand) and in swiftness (suddenly). God does not write poorly constructed prose, and repeating oneself, "soon" and "at hand" is poorly constructed prose in any language.
The prepositional phrase (en taxei) occurs seven times in the New Testament. It invariably means, 'in the immediate future,' which is also its meaning in the language of the culture of the day.
Acts 12:7 (...arise quickly, i.e., now)
Acts 22:18 (...get out of Jerusalem quickly, now)
Acts 25:4 (...he was going to Jerusalem soon, in the near future)
Romans 16:20 (...he will crush the serpent's head soon, in the near future)
Luke 18:8 (...he will avenge them soon, near future)
1 Tim 3:14 (I will come to you soon, near future)
Rev. 1:1 (...things that must take place soon, near future)
Rev. 22:6 (...sent his angel to show his servants things that will take place in the near future)
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I’ve watched several of your videos, including the history surrounding the Jew’s exodus, the history connected to Daniel 11:1-36, and the history leading up to and through the Herods. I found these insightful and detailed. Your knowledge of history appears thorough. I suspect the information is highly accurate.
Nonetheless, you are in error concerning the word combination, “in swiftness”.
Consider the following sentences:
The wrought writer sprang from his chair and gave his editor a swift kick (adverb).
The wrought writer thought a long moment before swiftly kicking his editor (adjective).
The wrought writer waited until the beautiful blond distracted everyone then kicked his editor in swiftness (noun).
All uses of the root word above, swift, means quick action and not action to happen soon. It matters not if the word is used as an adverb, adjective, or noun, the change is grammar does not change the meaning of the word.
In all your examples, the word was used to mean quick and not soon. It is clear in the Greek Paul told Timothy he expected to beat the letter to him, basically saying, I expect to arrive more-quickly, but I send the letter in case I’m delayed. Felex was saying he was in a rush to leave. Although this implies Felex would leave soon, which people in a rush typically do, the words he spoke, as recorded in Acts, relate to quickness.
Do not depend upon the translators. Their error rate translating the words is shockingly high for several reasons. In this case, they interpreted instead of translated.
@@RichardSpeightsThanks for your thoughts. Having taught New Testament Greek for the past 40 years, it's safe to say I rarely depend on 'translators.' If you've not studied New Testament Greek, I offer a self-paced course online at my website, www.brucegore.com, under Online Courses. If you are interested, I will waive the tuition.
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Thank you for your kind offer, but I have far too many writing projects for such a distraction.
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Most of revelation already was fulfilled in the first century ad
Most of it? no, all of it was by 70AD which was the consumation of all prophecy and final judgement of israel. Now were in the New Covenant. Jesus himself stated explicitly that ALL his prophecies would be fufilled in that generation he then spoke to! Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." and Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
sennacherib's prism judgement begins with The House (Temple) of Of God!
Then the world the flesh and the devil.
It is too bad he references Eugene Peterson. Not a reliable source.
If I only quoted people with whom I agreed in every detail, I would only quote myself.