Proving The World is Flat!
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024
- I am asked on a regular basis by the "flat earth army" about the world being flat, and I even watched some documentaries on it because I was curious to their point of view, I decided I would create a way for them to prove or disprove their theory once and for all.
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For all the flat earth people wondering about the trip I advised you organize, I was so heavily criticized for not organizing it for you all, so here is the video about the trip: ruclips.net/video/WWhVWmsDlfQ/видео.html
Any uptake on your offer?
Flat Earthers are not interested in anyone proving their fantasies wrong, their egos are based on their greater insightfulness.
@@andrewworth4810 100% spot on
@@andrewworth4810 says the mindless zombie who believes childish nonsense.
@@jimholland7622 this guy probably purchased a pilot shirt from a Halloween shop, he's full of dookie!
I debated with a flat earther once. He stormed off and said he'll go to the edge of the world to prove me wrong.
He'll come around eventually.
I see what you did there😂
Do you know the pacman effect? It means that if you go to the edge with a plane, you will get teleported to the other side. I know, it's really dumb.
@@ritsh_ dude wtf, they make anything up
@@ritsh_ lmao 🤣
@@ritsh_ teleportation doesn't even exist lmao
I’m a scientist in Antarctica. I would be happy to look at your plane to verify direction! I can save you some time though. Antarctica is not a wall...
Big if true
Spoiler alert!
You clearly are part of the conspiracy, together with all scientists from all countries, and all governments! Only a few flat earthers with no real knowledge of physics understand the truth; only them can do a couple of junior-science-fair level "experiments" to prove you wrong.
You guys can stream RUclips down there?!
@@sikhswim
You do realize we have satellites? Or do you think the internet in the small villages in Africa is provided by Comcast?
Atlas Air: Hey Kelsey, business is slow, got any ideas?
Kelsey: Comming up.
Leaks Kelseys company.
It’s not a secret but Kelsey is likely not allowed to say it himself.
@@BeaverEJ1 Yeah, he kinda said it when he said he has flown the dreamlifter.
Hahaha this coment made me laugh. I just picture the scene.
Interesting, years ago I got to visit the flight deck of an Atlas 747 cargo plane. In the pre 911 world that wasn't hard to do. I was delivering an enormous crate full of machine parts. When I say enormous, I mean one crate totally filled a 53' flatbed trailer. Along the trip the thing inside the crate shifted with a big bang and it felt like it was going to tip the truck over. Being a recreational pilot myself, I figured that might be a weight and balance issue even on a 747. So they called the captain, and he came down to talk to me about it. After opening the crate and reworking the bracing, I got to visit the flight deck.
Shaquille is tall enough to know better. He can see the curvature.
How come we see a moon in the day in the uk and Australia are also seeing the moon?!
This is impossible on a ball earth!! Just saying…
@@lafemedhel United States Firefighter “Eric Hecker is a former United States 🇺🇸 Navy Sailor and contractor for Raytheon, a major U.S. defense contractor. Eric's position as a United States Firefighter and plumber for the South Pole facility gave him unrestricted access to the compound. During his stay, Eric observed highly advanced directed energy weapons and other technologies beyond what we previously thought possible. Eric has also testified to congress under oath and hopes to bring his experience to the public for the good of humanity.”
@@cjhards book the flight then?
The only thing flat earthers fear, is sphere itself!!
I see what you did there 😂😂
Brilliant sir.. lol
😂
I fuckin love that line 🤣🤣🤣
I'm using this. Genius
I'm not a flat earther but I want to be on this trip. Sounds like fun.
Same here
Actually nearly 95% of the members of the Flat Earth Society are just their for the fun. Only a few actually believe it.
Lol i was just thinking the same thing "wait miami, buenos aries, melborne, then la that sounds like a tour of the worlds best beaches
@@robertgary3561 This is the key point.
Yup sounds great
I think this flight will be full of... Kelsey fans rather than flatearthers.
Yes hello, I am totally a real flat earther! Flat as a pancake! NASA lies and stuff! Please let me on the plane
@@hellspark same! The earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese! My spaghetti strainer blocks the government waves from intruding on my brain, don't judge me!
Yeah lol
You know, I'm something of a flat earter myself
@@pcguy619 I'm with you guy's we can go on a flight with Kelsey and then on a moon mission with NASA lol.
My father was a pilot in Chilean airforce and he flew Twin Otter in Antarctic Chilean Base to the middle of South Pole, no walls no limits. From the other side I fly over the North Pole many times. That theory doesn’t make any sense
I bet your father is also a heavy drinker and told you many stories while drunk too.
Then look harder. The truth IS out there, hidden in plain sight!
flat earthers when they accidentially said "around"
instead of "aflat"
@testing hahhaha do you belive that ehart is flat hahhahhah why
Funny
@testing and @holger you guys have weird spelling lol
earth isnt flat
their brain is 0.1 inch flat
@testing Hahahahahahahahahahahaha....
*inhales deeply*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD
I have feeling that this will blow up on recommended in a few years
All the flat earthers will rush in
@@DyslexicMitochondria Nice username
@@DyslexicMitochondria I was curious about your username so clicked on your channel. Amazing channel bro
From my experience with YouToube, it will be about 8 years.
How much will attending this flight cost?
If the earth was flat cat's would of knocked everything off the edge by now
well done Andrew! 😂
Indeed. Cats are cute, lovey little avatars of evil.😸
Stolen
@Jonathan Zeppezauer You mean underrated for all 11 minutes?
Clever just like an Andrew 🔥🔥 you've done us well
This is amusing. If the earth was flat from places like Mount Everest you would be able to see the sun at ALL times.
"It is difficult to win an argument with a genius... it is impossible to with an argument with an idiot."
What about evil though, on their turf?
I agree that, for the majority, the flat earthers are stupid. Regardless of it's truthyness... They can't explain why they believe something is true, making their argument worthless
General Kenobi
Yes, but it's funny how people just can't agree on exactly *who* the idiot IS! LOL!
Hello There
The flat earth society with people all around the globe.
I remember that tweet
@@atlas1924 "around"😂😂"globe"😂😂"
Read that again, but slower...
I remember that 😂😂🤣
The world is a pirimid
“I dont wanna invalidate their opinion…”
Like they were ever valid to begin with
Even the president of China calls these idiots out
I believe his statement was meant to say "I don't feel like taking the time or effort to prove to them that they are wrong; I'm just trying to understand their dumb opinion without debating it".
I respected him but now that I know he is flat earthed he loses my respect and a subscriber.
@@robloxegy2565 what???
@@robloxegy2565 Knowing your username, comment, pfp and the way you didn't watch the vid screams kid
Odd how Niagara Falls never runs out of water on the "flat" earth
Huh?
Ever seen curved water!!!
I genuinely hope that someone takes him up on his flight offer. THAT would be a fantastic video 🤣🤣.
I would love to go on that flight and I’m not even a flat earther
@@DutchMale same here 😀
@@DutchMale same
@@DutchMale Same!
Not a flat earther but I'd definitely fly with Kelsey
It is very difficult to reason someone out of a position that they didn't reach by using reason.
Simply ask them if they have a friend in a far away county to ask if it is day or night out. Why is it different if the earth is flat? Why is it night in London while sunny in California?
@@justayoutuber1906 I'm not a flat earther, but I think I have more experience dealing with them. Their answer is " The sun is like a torch, shining on different parts of the world at different times. It's actually quite small but much closer than NASA tell you." Among other answers. Though that one was the most coherent I could find.
These people are dogmatic. It's like trying to convince a fundamentalist Christian apologist that their God isn't real. No rational argument will move them. They'll just find a way to either; try to explain it, or if they can't, ignore it.
A little advice. Just accept the words of wisdom above from @
Charles Stoddard
He looks like a gnome. But he's right.
@@aidansharrett2544 agreed, they do claim that, but never manage to explain why we still get night, or how the get a semi circle of light from a round source.
@@dogwalker666 Night would be "When the torch light of the sun is not shining on you. So, if the sun is small, and works like a torch, it will light in a cone. When that cone of light passes your area, it's night. When it returns it's day." The moon thing has explanations too.
None of it makes sense if you have any knowledge of how these things work. But on a surface level, I can see how people fall for it. If you think about it, it fails. But if you're not too bright, flat Earth seems to be a good explanation.
There are endless ways too debunk flat Earth. Boats disappearing over the horizon bottom first. Air flight paths and navigation. Literal satellite photos and footage of rockets entering space.
They'll just say "Those are fake. Or, it's diffraction. Or, it's a conspiracy." Trust me. Every proof you can think of, they've likely heard it before. And they came up with some surface level way to dismiss it. You can't rationally debate with Dunning Kreuger delusion.
@@aidansharrett2544 indeed they have tried that one however I refuse to let them hand wave it away, as it's one of the simplest to debunk, even if we ignore all physics and have an imaginary local sun we see a spherical object no parabolic reflector, even if it was and if it is capable of ilumating exactly half by flurf optics, light bounce back will illuminate the other half, no flurf has ever managed to answer that. But then everything on flatopia is impossible. Including life.
The flat earth society has members around the globe.
Seriously, the flat earth society used that quote.
No, they didn't. It was faked to make it look like that tweet originally came from them, but it wasn't. Still funny, though.
When asked about that statement they said the globe is flat.
@@MyRegardsToTheDodo I remember when that tweet went out LOL. No they really said that. To be honest it was probably a troll though, many flerfs disavow the FES
If it’s flat the why is it AOROUND the globe lol
@RAYfighter believing in life after death, and some kind of higher concious has a little bit more plausability for discussion and debate then saying the earth is flat
If the earth is flat, where are the pictures of the earth showing earth from the side showing the thickness.
que pergunta estúpida.
There’s no satellites in space
You guys are living in someone’s dream buddy, it started when they first announced Star Wars..😂
I'm still waiting to see one authentic picture of the globe instead of fake cgi and cartoons
They will just say "You didn't really fly us to Antartica, it was just an elaborate ruse in a giant hangar studio to make it appear that we were actually flying on an airplane." is how flat-earther minds work.
that's why there will be people on the ground with telescopes to see the plane
@@djceix Oh, they turn out to be double agents. It's more exciting to live a lie 🥳🥳
They will come up with all sorts of stories to make sense out of nonsense.
@dr savage84 quick answer is no because no matter where you are on the earth we’re rotating 1 revolution every 24 hours so the amount of centrifugal force is infinitesimal.
Also we are used to travelling at once every 24 hours, it wouldn’t make any noticeable difference being on the equator or poles. Also we don’t feel constant motion. we feel acceleration or deceleration. It doesn’t matter how fast you’re travelling and you can try this on trains or aircraft, once you’re cruising at a set speed, you don’t notice it which is why you wouldn’t shoot down to the tail end when you get up to go to the loo. The conservation of momentum is important here too.
@dr savage84 typical flat earth response. Doesn’t suit your narrative, so you dismiss it.
Show me a fully working flat earth model that explains the 24 hour sun in the Arctic and Antarctic, the moon phases, the solar and lunar eclipses, the stars rotating around the North Pole and near to the southern cross, then we can talk.
No flat earther will go anywhere near that flight. The last thing flat earthers want is confirmation.
I want someone to set up a massive experiment where they get a large group of people to all confirm the earth is flat for a few of these people and then congratulate them and give them make believe positions designing new curriculums and laws and things because it would fall apart so quickly and they would realize how full of shit they are
Actually a trip circumnavigating the earth from north pole to north pole crossing the south pole would solve the issue. Never been done
@@robertsaltzman2481 Yes it has. People fly over the poles all the time. But flat earth idiots know that's a problem for their fantasy so they just deny it.
Actually I think a lot of people would pay good money to go on this flight, flat earthers as well as ball earthers!
@@robertsaltzman2481 Are you paying for fuel and allowing the plane to land and refuel? That’s a very long distance over some empty land and vast oceans!
Unfortunately, for every proof you show, the Flat-Earther will find a reason to dismiss it. Not disprove it, just dismiss it.
The one thing I’ve never heard explained by any F.E., is: Why. Why are all these governments in cahoots to lie about the earth’s geometric shape? To what end?
Well you see if you *mrph* then that is why the governments want to hide the flat Earth! Just like they hide the REAL price of shoes.
Is all about selling globes, if people know that the earth is flat how would NASA sell globes? It's the only logical conclusion
@@Alex-kv5je That's gold! Lol Thank you for that comment 😂 these people are delusional.
I knew it--the government is in Big Globe's pocket.
@@ahumanmerelybeing No, they're not in Big Globe's pocket. You see, our earth is just one of many earths that are stacked upon one another, with a little space between each of them. All our governments are controlled by the government of the under-earths. Their technology and everything is far superior and they've conquered all the earths except for ours. The reason why they don't invade us is simple, they can't stand the sunlight, because they always live in the shadow of our earth. That's were the vampire myths come from.
Come to think of it, that would actually make for an interesting story. I mean, it's totally bs, but most backgrounds of fantasy stories are.
With Kelsey videos are always fun to watch. keep it up.
Every time they do an experiment to prove a flat earth they end up proving a globe and just ignoring the results. Loool 😭😭😂😂😂😂
"We found a 15 degree per hour drift"
@@zappawench6048
Thanks Bob lol
Happened TWICE on a documentary I watched on flat earth, the guys doing the experiments were dumbfounded, it was pretty damn funny.
@@charlottesmom
Then they just ignore the results lol
@@jaymac7203 , They sure do, it was staring them in the face and they flat (😏) out dismissed it!
It's funny how "Flat" earthers love going "Round & Round" over the issue!
lol
😂😂😂
That's an good one lol
@testing lol, why do ground crew needs to measure earth curvature to refuel the planes, how about people thet have flown above the south pole, and flat earthers can't even come up with a perfectly correct map
@testing if the earth was flat why is airplanes from eourope thats going to usa fly over the north pole . But if the earth is flat it wold be slower to fly over the north pole . AND you dont have any real prof that the world is flat. AND why wold the earth be the only flat planet
(Sorry bad spelling )
So to summarize your plan: gather as many flatearthers (mostly American) and take them to Australia with no plan on bringing them back.
I'm British.... Didn't we try this already a couple of of centuries ago?
he he.
We did and now the Ozzies live better than we do lol
@@coolvideos8864 lol. You're right 😂 let's try it again
@@eeram4900 when are you getting rid of the grooming gangs?
Hey, don't bring them here. We have enough crazies of our own, thank you very much.
If the earth was flat they'd tell us it's a globe
Who's they?
@@rafaelmarangoni The flerfs. OP's point is that many flerfs are simply contrarians.
@@rafaelmarangoni Your boyfriend Baphomet.
@@cubaniton74 Don't believe in fantastic entities such as the boogeyman, the closet monster or baphomet, kiddo. You're the scared child who does. Don't you ever forget that.
@@rafaelmarangoni Why you can't get children out of your mind? Everywhere you look you see "kiddos". And then you want to deny your own dad, Baphomet? Come on, we are all grownups, you can admit to your deprived fantasies.
“That’s because planes are curved, so the windows are curved, making it seem curved”
-A flat earther probably
I saw a thread that a flat earther said that if the plane is in the sky, the windows of the plane it projects a fish eye view then if the plane lands, the plane window goes back to normal 😂😂
Believe it or not, I've actually seen people make that argument
@@rwplm Wow
@@rwplm same
I faced once with Flat Earther that only used statements from the Bible.. And I'm not Christian, so IDK it's true or not.. And I did some research about it, but I still can't figure it out.. So I ask him if he can use fact, science and logic physic.. But he refused it, so I won.. 😂😂
The flight would make a great movie..just to watch the mental breakdowns..
No, they would just create more deluded conspiracies to cover the 'anomalies'. The mental breakdown safely cocooned behind a myriad of skewed logical fallacies.
@@Ayeshteni most flat earthers would not even care. They simply dismiss any evidence contrary to their beliefs, not even saying that it false, they dismiss it as irrelevant.
yeah because they all have narcisstic personality disorder and live in their phantasy land in their head
@@jeffb.140 Why would you say something like that?
Do you know a lot of flat earthers, and are you qualified to diagnose a personality disorder?
@@adamrak7560 The ones I have encountered didn't simply dismiss it as irrelevant, but they tried to explain it from their point of view, just like any ball earther would do, if presented with evidence for a flat earth.
It's completely natural to assume that new contradictory information is false.
Although I’m not a flat earther, how much would tickets cost for this journey???
sold out
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 infinity
@@pgornicki lol
Do you really want to sit on a round-the-world tour with 800 flat-earthers?
That's getting close to volunteering for Oceanic Airlines flight 815...
Which, btw, actually attempted to fly from ..
... Sidney to Los Angeles...
And then you have to live with them for 5 years on a island...
I rather shoot myself in the face...
...with a train.
@@Paul_VanGo we get the upper deck
i need to start pretending to be a flat earther so i could take yall up on all of these rad trips that keep being offered
“I haven’t spent all these years, working on this amazing body to fly into a wall in Antarctica” 😂😂
Laughed m a o!
Hi Kelsy. I am an Englishman living in Buenos Aires. If you ever get this flight happening I will volunteer to stand at Ezeiza and verify the direction the flight goes in. It would also be nice to say hello. Keep up the videos!
U work for the cia. We know u gonna mess it up. Dont trust u.
@@superliegebeest544 lol🤣👍🏼❗
*_"The Flat Earth Society has members all over the globe"_*
~Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth society are a bunch of liars
Frey, so funny🤣👍
Aye ... it's global society !
@@abastein2000 Global earth society
LMAO, The global flat Earth society.
My housemate has a t-shirt showing a cartoon earth with an astronaut in a cartoon rocket flying around it. There's a NASA logo on it somewhere, though I don't know if it's official gear. The caption is, "Still round...we checked!"
Please record everything on board. Would be priceless.
Best reality show ever!
@@sacuusi9924 I'd subscribe for it 😂
What I'm seeing is, Kelsey wants people to pay him to hang out in Miami, Buenos Aires, and Melbourne for a few days each...
Well... I bet there's worse ways to spend a vacation unless he gets a migraine from overhearimg passengers XD
Who wouldn't?
Really not seeing a downside here. ;-) (A fool and their money are soon parted)
He’s probably not getting enough downtime in the best cities to go explore or hang out with friends.
No,no,no.. it's to prove a theory. The destinations are totally coincidental.
Kelsey, on behalf of the flat earth society, I must protest about this video. It is sending some of our members over the edge!
LOL
Your comment should have gotten a thousand likes - those haters, lol!
Ha ha
LMFAO! Good!
Rofl😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
the best government agent ever.
Lol, that crossed my mind😉
When flying on autopilot which is level flight, the nose never dips to compensate for the curvature
100%
@@ricvanwinkle1665. I don’t think it has to since they aren’t flying in a vacuum. From what I gather from my kid’s 4th grade science project, distance away from earth is a balancing act between lift and gravity. To go further away from earth (to continue going straight) you have to increase lift.
The guy is giving you the opportunity to make history and prove once and for all that the earth is flat but you’d rather just call him an agent. Take his offer sheesh
I keep saying elsewhere that they need to make a special version of the "Amazing Race" called: "The Amazing Race: Flat Earther Edition" where two teams of flat earthers head off in opposite directions along the same latitude, and the first team that "gets it" when they eventually meet up with the other team wins one million dollars.
the problem with this is that you could also do that on a flat earth since venturing west or east works the same the only major difference when it comes to travelling would be the whole soutpole situation
@@fedorpride6397 how would it not work? If I head due west and you head due east from that exact same Point on the surface of the earth and we never change direction we will either meet at that same spot or reach a point we can go no further.
@@jeffreyhale3766 The original comment said "along the same latitude." Flat Earthers believe that they'd be traveling in a large circle centered on the North Pole, and would meet up, just as you would on the actual Earth.
The best way to do this test would be to travel along a line of longitude. Flat Earthers think those will either end at the "ice wall" or continue out into unexplored land.
@@idahogie my response is not to the original post, it's to the east/west reply. I understand that a flat earth map has circular latitude lines, but that doesn't change how a compass works. If the reply had mentioned that if the followed the latitude they would end up in that same regardless of flat or round that's fine. But if flat earthers follow a compass direct east/west or north/south, the result is the same.
@@jeffreyhale3766 I was just pointing out that the "Amazing Race" example wouldn't demonstrate anything, whichever model we assume. On a globe, both teams meet up when they get halfway around. On the standard flat-Earther map, they would meet at the same place. In neither case would the shape of the Earth be clearly demonstrated.
Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled
flattards show us how easy they are to fool every single day.
Yes. I've been telling flerfers that for a while now. But they really love their flerf preachers. It's kinda like a Stockholm Syndrome... They fell in love with their abusers.
Exactly and globers fight thar well
@@JohnChilders-x9t So, how about I ask you a little something about your fantasy, and you answer me that based exclusively on that "model"? Do you think you're up to the task?
Mark Twain quote I presume?
I love that this seems like an elaborate plot to get a holiday in Australia 😂
Yeah, with a few nice days in Buenos Aires in between. So sneaky.
or NewZealand... What's wrong with New Zealand.. The Forrests are nice, Water is nice
So you mean I just spent 1000 euros to fly to Australia while all I had to do to get there for free was pretend in front of a pilot that I believe earth is flat??
Plz do come to australia just not with covid
@@dctungsten lmao, now I wanna go
Here's another simple challenge to flat-earthers. A pendulum's swing plane rotates around fastest at the earth's poles, and not at all at the equator. The formula is 15 degrees per hour times the sin of the latitude. How on the world can you explain this on a flat earth disk?
Lets start with you giving us an explanation for there not being any curvature? We don't need to prove anything from our perspective. YOU have to start by proving the curvature - which you can not.
No, I think you need to prove there is no curvature. Lots of evidence shows it is.
1. Learn how a sextant works (not a theodolite which isn't the same thing) 2. Explain the longitude prize for flat earth.
@@byronbarker6860 Plenty of proof available. You just don't want to accept any of it. Stay with your flat Earth fantasy, it fits you well.
@@byronbarker6860, take a ship to the ice wall and turn left. Keep following The edge of the ice. If you have to keep steering left to follow the wall, then you were right. if you have to keep steering right to follow the wall, then you are wrong.
Kelsey, you're just trying to get a paid vacation in Buenos Aires. 😂
He clearly said he would be volunteering. That means he wouldn't be paid. (Except by NASA who is behind this to fool the flat earthers into thinking they really flew somewhere. in reality it will all be in a fancy simulator and the windows on the "plane" will actually be 128k resolution screens and no one will be allowed to deplane at any airports)
Noticehe doesnt respond....
@@MrGrumblier just making sure this is sarcasm... right?
Shh 🤫 lol don’t blow it
@@MrGrumblier Ok, well then he gets to fly to Buenos Aires and not have to rent the plane or pay for fuel. (Or fly the high-fidelity sim.) I could go for that.
I'm certainly not a flat earther but flying around the globe with Kelsey sounds like a laugh!
You can be Archer
Also not a flat earther but I'm bringing the beers!
If his understanding is TRUE... He would definetly be flying upside down at some point on his journey. Just think of roller coasters tracks....some form a perfect "Globe". At what point can a globe earth be not inverted as the model imply? And if the roller coaster riders are not strapped in they would fall off when fully on the bottom of the globe or top of the globe.
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@@donnysath9084 Let’s hope that your comment is sarcasm and you’re really not that stupid.
It is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they’ve been fooled.
Sees the sun going down and the eyes in his head see the world spinning around day after day alone on a hill the man with a foolish grin is standing perfectly still
@@frankierock1130 Imagine there's no heaven; It's easy if you try; No hell below us; Above us only sky
thats because humans need to believe in something so they will believe anything
@@mattitchio there is no heaven and you live in hell
Ahhhhhh, the wisdom of Twain.
The flat earthers using that map completely ignore the flights going directly from South America to Australia that happen multiple times a week. Using that map they would run out of fuel and go swimming.
As a member of the Flat Moon society, I find the flat earthers to be crazy.
I'm from the Flat Mars Global Society. I resent the fact that the Flat Moon society believes the moon is flat!
@@WayneGerald1776 You guys are worse than the Pluto, I'm a real Planet Society.
I am part of the A380 Earth Society
😂😂😂👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@@theylied1776 flat earther flat mars thats nothing to my Flat Milky Way Society
That would be an awful quiet flight coming back home lol
Nah not if most of em j went in for the fun of it and not to actually prove anything
No they would still find a way to say it's fake.
That was a funny comment, thank you Cornerstone.
@@tonerc.8191 And even if the people that participated did get convinced that earth is actually a globe, the rest of the flat earth community would just say they were bribed, brainwashed or something similar, and the rest of the community would go on as if nothing happened
@@shylendrasudamani4605 I think most just need the proof I think 🤔 people aren't crazy if they never seen water 💦 upside how it is on globe 🌍
I'm very impressed Kelsey that you didn't use the Sigorney Weaver clip from Aliens where she said, "Did iq's drop sharply while I was away?"
To prove that the world is round is simple. All you need do is watch the movie "Titanic." The Titanic was steaming along one dark nigh, the crew was on the lookout for icebergs. Who were the first to see the iceberg? The two guys in the crow's nest. Why did they see it first? By being higher up than the people on the bridge they were able to see over the curvature of the Earth. QED.
that is one example of "the horizon effect", and mariners were the first to be aware of it, way back when
Wasn't an iceberg though 🤔
@@paulineturner2216 If it wasn't an iceberg what was it?
@@paulineturner2216 Then what was it? A big cover-up, cuz it was your "ice wall" that was supposed to be a secret?
That was only a small iceberg. The bigger ones that could scoop up the Titanic and all its people, had already gone over the edge of the world. So the Titanic had real bad luck-- no iceberg where passengers would have been able to move to, and continue having their tea and petit fours.
Kelsey, one flaw with your idea. The flat earthers are not looking for the truth. They will find some anomaly to prove this experiment failed to prove the earth is round.
Yep, they do that everytime.
The plane is on a giant movie set with hologram Tupac technology.
Penultimate Name, false claim. We ARE looking for truth. And I will be the first to acknowledge that I was wrong. If I am. How about you?
@@mikemcleroy8265 it is well established the earth is round. If science changes what is found I follow science and can change. Except the science is well established the earth is round.
@@penultimatename6677 ok bud that might work for you but not for me.
Basically: "Go fly these routes for these directions, distances, and times, and prove your theory or leave me alone". Well done sir, well done!
This is not what he said at all actually.
@@mrkhoros It is exactly what was said. A basic flight plan was provided (5:41) with the locations for departure (6:04) and arrival (6:16) with the speed of the aircraft including the max air speed.
He also provided a second flight plan as well (9:41) from Australia to LA.
@@chrisb9960 no that is not what he said. He said I will take you if you want.
@@mrkhoros Kelsey is an educated man and has numerous hours of training on how to communicate with people. Especially difficult ones. He uses kind words, charm, wit and a smile with lite hearted jokes to make people feel at ease.
Being charming is being able to tell someone to jump off of a cliff and them looking forward to the trip.
If that cliff is in Antarctica (and there are bungee-straps) i'd like to buy a ticket or two...^^
My guy is literally planning a field trip for these guys to prove them wrong 😂
Isn't that what teachers do all the time? :D
I'd pretend to be a flat earther to go on this trip. Yes captain we live on a plate, it's all CGI, humans never went into outer space. Show me the wall at Antarctica etc.
@@ashleybanner9724 THIS. Suddenly I'm starting to believe the earth is flat 🥰🥰
@@ashleybanner9724 Wouldn't that be awesome to see? The great wall of the end of the world? Would we see the giant turtles that are carrying the earth through space? Is it illegal to feed these turtles? Asking for a friend lol
@@ashleybanner9724 you still have to pay for it!...
I would donate to this cause if, as a (very frustrated) astrophysics major, I didn't already know that you could take these people on an orbital flight and they'd still say the earth was flat.
If I lived in US I would definitely buy ticket to that flight.
1. Interesting adventure.
2. To see Antarctica.
3. To see faces of those people after the trip and hear excuses they'll come up with to defend their theory.
It'd also be fun to watch a compass as you fly past the south pole.
I agree with you 😅😂😂😂😂
I’d do it. Just for fun.
But we leave in Russland, bro :(
So why isn't there flights like that?
I'm not a flat earther, but a trip with you sounds like a blast.
Of course, the REAL reason that Kelsey won't allow anyone in the cockpit during the flight is because he doesn't want anyone to see the controls for the chemtrail dispensers ;-)
Everyone knows the pilots are in cahoots with NASA, plus shipping, GPS, cartographers, all the governments.............not. :)
My favorite plane one is- on a round Earth pilots would have to do a continuous nose dive, usually illustrated with a small ball and a comically large model plane covering a quarter of the Earth in a second. Reality is at say 500 mph the pitch forward is 4x slower that the hour hand of a clock moves and you would not feel it anyway because gravity acts radially toward the Earth's centre and planes are loaded to be balanced level in flight about it's centre of gravity.
Another thing you can do with a long haul plane is, on a flat Earth a flight plan that has two coarse changes that ends up back where you started will form a triangle where the angles will always add up to 180 degrees (2 dimensional geometry). Fly far enough on the globe and you can get noticeable to extreme increases in that total angle.
For instance North pole straight down to the equator hang a 90 degree and fly the equator a quarter the way around the globe, then another 90 back up to the North pole and the angles add up to 270 degrees. Fly half way round the equator and and back to the North pole and you get a total of 360 degrees.
@@Dug6666666 There is 0 public viewing platform for edge of erfff
I'm hoping you're being sarcastic please tell me you're
@@jonathankaufold7503 you did see the ;-) at the end of the comment, didn't you?
thats a joke... i hope lmao
Another example of the decay of humanity. We are in such a hurry to become extinct. All the zealots want the rapture.
Keep in mind, the "flat earth community" has members all over the globe.🙃
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It amazes me that in 21st century some people still believe the Earth is flat LOL
Wow you’re so funny. Bet you came up with that yourself
Muhahaha!!!!” Ahhhhhhh haaaaas
@@catguy2304 jealous?
Pro tip: When someone says they believe the earth is flat, it is not impolite to invalidate their opinion.
No, it’s impolite to run away pointing back at them and saying “Crazy person! Run away!” Just excuse yourself and walk away quietly.
Remember: You can’t fix stupid!
I just flat out laugh in their faces and tell them how stupid they are!
@@samiam619 The sad truth is that conspiratorial thinking is, if anything, _positively_ correlated with intelligence. So more intelligent people are more likely to believe crazy bullshit. As for the plan of the OP to "invalidate" their opinion, that won't work either though. You will never convince people who are already invested in such a theory with facts.
@@unvergebeneid
> So more intelligent people are more likely to believe crazy bullshit
I think the flat Earth "leaders" probably are intelligent, and they don't really think the Earth is flat. They just think it's a good way to make money. Their followers though, are stupid.
I love how they'll NEVER do this. It'll shut down their whole thing. Well done.
its been done and it was a fraud
@@scoates8226 lemme guess, you're one of them, right? If so, you're a fraud as well 😃
@bill the biker You're an idiot. Did you not look at the flight plan? It just skirts around Antarctica. Close enough to prove the model. You don't have to hit 0,0,0 to prove the pole is there.
@@jimbillyjenkims because that's the thing with those who believe in incredible conspiracies: you will never convince them. They'll pull another card from the pocket like: "our compass is being manipulated by magnetic forces coming from space lizards!" or even just plain "it's a fraud, I don't believe it, the whole thing was manipulated".
@@luisneitzke106 yeah these people are completely nuts, they will make any excuse to believe their conspiracy, even when give. A chance they turn it down
The moon is round, sun is round, why would the earth be the only flat one? You can also see the curvature if you look up
I have made that point to flat earthers and they tell me that the moon and sun are discs.
@@briancarton1804 ... You can see they are round in the sky.... (I hate people)
A good chunk of them say that the sun and moon aren't even real and are just projections on the dome...
@@F4iryXtale Even flat earther think the earth is round, but they claim it's flat.
At what height can one begin to see the curvature of?
Since years I've met a lot of flat earther and my conclusion is it is useless to discuss with them... Even orbiting the Earth in the ISS they would pretend they're riding a simulator at Disney World
@@Canzandridas The only way is providing the returning ticket to admit publicaly the Earth is round, with sentence of returning orbiting the round planet in case of relapse
Lol even if a flat earher would walk in space and see earth is round he would say : this still doesn't proveo anything!
Many FE'ers believe that the ISS is a hoax..
@@philipzanoni I am not sure what it is my son took a picture of with his telescope.
This is because they are cultists.
I would never volountarily lock myself in a flying cylinder with so many delusional people. You are a brave man Kelsey
ohhh the things I do for social media 😂
Just dump them over antarctica.
He’s the one in a locked cockpit lol
@@roichir7699
No!
They'd eat all those poor penguins!
😂
747s are just about as agile in the air as an A-10 strike aircraft, it just doesn't come with flare launchers, chaff launchers, pilot helmet, titanium bathtub, a few metric tons of wing hardpoint capacity or a Gau8 rotary cannon...
Eg, if the passengers get too rowdy, hit the seat belt light, wait for cabin crew to buckle down and let gravity handle the trouble makers with a few sequential barrel rolls and a couple of loops for good measure... XD
Flat Earth conventions - Hundreds of people sharing dozens of brain cells.
All of this effort just to prove some people are assholes! It kinda reminds me of trying to debate Trump supporters that Trump lost the election!
62 court losses, 2 supreme court losses, 7 hand recounts, Republican Governors and voter officials all saying Trump lost! January 6th, they storm the capital! Smh 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️😳
419Games....so funny
Ha ha ha...
@@thefreeradical2320 Given the number of Flat Earthers that are willfully ignorant of facts, I don't have any problems making fun of them. There are a few (like RUclipsr Seeks Truth, Speaks Truth) who are intellectually honest enough to examine whether or not what they believe is true, but they're few and far between.
@@Its419games Seek Truth speak truth is no longer a flat earther though.
@@freddan6fly Yes, you're right. I meant to say that. 😊
Flat Earth is the most successful troll in the history of trolling.
The flat earthers would say that the instrumentation in the plane caused the compass to show south instead of north or another lame excuse LOL
since a compass hand held has its own brain it might to LoL . that and all of the governments all agreeing on anything
They would, they always have an excuse. On a transatlantic or transpacific fight you can just make out the curvature of the earth if it’s at FL41. I was taking to a flat earther about this and he said the make the airplane windows so it looks like the earth has a curve. They’re idiots who, even if you took them into space, would say they were drugged and in a simulation.
@@colin-nekritz You could toss those idiots out into the vacuum of space and they'd exclaim with the last bit of air left in their lungs that this is a fake simulation and they're in some kind of a VR vacuum chamber. At least no one could hear their last idiotic ramblings then.
@@colin-nekritz Yes! There's absolutely no way the flat earthers will ever concede they're wrong. Even if they were flown to the ISS into low earth orbit and could watch out the window. It's fascinating their ability to deny reality.
Use a C 130 and push them out
I'm not a flat earther, but an across the globe flight with you would be a blast
Yeah he looks like he'd keep an eye on you when you're sleeping
True its flat ,so are bodies of water ,sea level. Come on say it ,if you can't answer ,Fact denial.
@@mikehinde1779 so I presume you're one of those people that have just watched this video, and rather than be proved wrong, you would rather just pretend it didn't happen, and arrogantly walk away still believing what you want to believe.
Strange though don't you think, Mike? That you can see clearly that the moon is a spherical body, as is the Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune, and the fact that we are all orbiting the Sun and spinning round on our axis to produce a calendar and the seasons, not to mention where the Sun goes every night..
But as we all know, or at least those of us who are intelligent, like toddlers, and young children at primary school, the Sun doesn't go anywhere. It stays exactly where it is, in relation to the Earth, and in relation to all of the bodies in the system, in orbit. The Earth just decides to spin round a little so that the Sun is on the other side.
That's why all the kids in kindergarten know that it's dark in Australia when it's sunny in Europe. Or just about anywhere in the Northern hemisphere.
But I guess I'm talking to someone that doesn't believe in the word hemisphere, or doesn't believe that there are satellites floating around the Earth, or doesn't leave that the Earth is spinning, or it doesn't believe that the Earth is in orbit, or doesn't believe that all the other bodies in the solar system are spheres, or indeed, are in orbit around the Sun, like we are.
And obviously using a telescope, you can see the Venus is a sphere, and you can also see that Venus and Neptune are blue, meaning it has liquid on the surface, so.. I guess you would just refuse to put your eye up against that telescope because it doesn't fit with your model.
And as your model completely refuses to acknowledge gravity, or why gravity doesn't change when you move around on your theatrical childish disc. And that's on top of all of the problems that you now have to try and explain logically regarding all of the information you can now acquire if you feel intelligent enough.
And I suppose, that's trivial compared to the questions that people would ask, regarding who built the disc, why the wall was built, and what's on the side.
I await your answer. Make it logical and intelligent, and I might, just might, bother to read it.
@@mikehinde1779 Give me a good enough reason that would convince me into believing your stupid comment.
@@RB747domme wow seems like you got a shit load of time on your hands to type a novel like that. Good for you, do you even work?
That sounds like a nice trip. Do we have to be a "flat-earther" to buy a ticket? If not, can we be on your side of the locked door? lol
well, if they eat the fish, someone will have to be on that side of the door.
Yeah, honestly I'd feel safer in with Kelsey. But he said other pilots are welcome, but they'd have to sit with the other passengers. Bummer.
I like your endless humour , style and patience
“I’m a pilot, and I make videos in hotel rooms, so who am I to judge?”
Hahaha!! Classic!
Yeah, gee, why might a pilot be in a hotel room?
@Be Pl lol I guess that’s just like, your opinion, man 🤷♂️🤣
just another scammer, he's a joke
This man manages to be wise, patient and really fun at the same time…
admirable
69 likes :)
@@keiththehobo6673 Nice
Nope , not Admirable! He's most likely a CAPTAIN! (;
Sounds like Kelsey is trying to set up a real episode of LOST
Captian 'Lapidus' Kelsy
We can only hope so.
flat earth people are like Stoneage cavemen
If they say that Antarctica is a wall, ask them "how high is the wall?" If they say "really high" ask "yeah how high?" Repeat this over and over until they give you the answer. Maybe they will want to stay safe and tells you ridiculous heights like 60K feet. Then slap the with a fact that a 60's plane called SR-71 Can go up to 80K feet
+How high?
-90k
+Damn, it was close
Most of the Iridium Satellites are in a polar orbit same as earth observation and mapping satellites and spy satellites. So the wall is probably not high enough :D
@@VolkerHett i know. Not to mention we have the ability to reach the moon which sits over 350K km (over 200K miles) from earth. And if they really want it, scientist and engineer can make a plane (not a rocket) go over 200K ft (could be the newly developing SR-72)
I think if the wall is at a ridiculous height, we would all see it? Since the earth is flat
@@burntye8795 yes we would, because if the earth is flat, things won't sink into the horizon. Our straight line of sight would allow us to see the wall, especially from high altitude like mountains.
Would be so awesome to come on the PA and go: 'whoa, huge wall ahead.. guys... we gotta turn back.'
When I hear that is the day I stop flying!
Cheers would erupt. Hahaha!
That would be the perfect joke for all these flat-minded people. Big LoL
I honestly LOVE your sense of humour. Never ever ever change Kelsey!!
"Ill prove earth is flat"
"Really?"
"Nah piss off its a sphere"
i'd be very surprised if any flat earthers would be willing to do anything like this that might shatter their theories. i honestly think it's more likely that people pretend they're flat earthers just to go on this epic sounding trip.
So true lol
no no, they actually are that stupid.
someone said at a flat earth convention something along the lines of "it's not about the flat earth, it's about the community". that alone tells me that these people are just lost souls that desperately trying to have friends, but what they don't understand is you don't need to construct such a ridiculous theory only to feel welcomed, there are much easier ways...
@@thomasmoser7382 Yeah, you could jump on the "lunar landing was faked" bandwagon. I heard they even have free pizza.
I think many people pretend to be flat earthers just to belong to a group. They found their equals if you know what I mean...
You forget that the flat earth is like a Pac-Man level. When you fly into the end on one side, you pop out on the other end instantly.
Don't even suggest it. They could very well adopt that idea. These are the same people that tell you gravity doesn't exist, water "finds its level", and the sun is small and just a few miles up.
Saying you teleport from one side to the other wouldn't even be a stretch for them! 😃
lol not cool for Pac man ,,,, dude if you know about the definition of horizon you know that doesn't ever apply to a one-sided ball...water always debunks this Television made up Copernicus aspect of ball earth every time ...water is the main body on this earth ,,,water always goes down to a flat area and then pools aka bodies itself to the most level area .....another example The London & North Western Railway forms a straight line 180 miles long between London & Liverpool has been considered a true level as it does not drop 1 inch or raise 1 inch in all of the 180 miles of strait rail way .....so if there were this absurd curvature taken in curving 8 inches per square mile ... the rail way would form an arch with the center point at Birmingham , raising over a mile a full 5,400 feet above London & Liverpool..... the Florida Keys bride debunks Ball earth period .... I'm not going to call people names and try and get my friends to say yadda yadda ,,,I'm going to say I'm so disappointed that so many people that seem to have brains and intelligence have taken such a back seat to brains and intelligence that alone is more of a mystery than anything else .....Read books and talk to real engineers and pilot's ,,,,, just remember NASA named themselves after the Greek God Nasa the master of beguilement,,, aka grand lies and twists .... use your brains people your better than this preposterous lie they have force fed you!
As a retired ship's captain, I find the flat-earth concept very amusing. I spent many years studying navigation. This was the days before GPS and Satnav and we had to find our way using sextants. To be able to do this you have to study spherical trigonometry. This is dealing with spheres. This does not make sense if the earth is flat.
If the earth is indeed flat, how did we get to our destination using a navigation system which is based on a spherical concept?
Well said.
The vast majority of flat earthers will respond to your post with ???
There are a few flat earth fraudsters who put together their own fake math and try to trick people with it. Such tricks are used against people who don't have any training in navigation.
During this time, was your ship, or ships you captained carrying a chronometer?
pure luck?
Because youre taught that its based on that.
Aint nobody gotta do all that, the earth is round, deal with it
"Your path looks curved." What? Wait. They haven't even figured out how the globe works? And I am supposed to believe their "totally scientific" theory of how Earth is the only flat planet in our solar system?
They don’t believe it is a planet, or that we are corkscrewing through space.
Earth isn't the only flat object that goes around us. ;-)
Take a string and stretch it between Boston and Hong Kong, and see how close it comes to the North Pole. A stretched string gives the closest thing to a straight line over the surface of a globe.
@@joecolvin4203 what else do we have?
They also must not believe in gravity.
This actually sounds like a cool trip, minus all the nutters that'll probably be aboard.
Not at all, the nutters will be the free entertainment!
Thats the only thing I'm concerned about
@@essteex4656 Yeah. I wouldn't want to be on a plane with these people. Don't know which of these nutters also don't believe in gravity or differential pressure.
The only thing that is "scientifically" flat when talking to a flat earther is their brain wave reading.
and their personalities. You ever meet some of these dweebs?
Bwahahaha!!!
Astronauts can't do a space walk without a snorkel and dive buddy. Don't forget your hair spray on the space station
Funny how they still do it. Funny how you can’t compare space walks to dives, like the ones performed during training in the Neutral Buoyancy Lab.
@@rafaelmarangoniwas the astronaut who nearly drown in the lab?
@@hannesswart4827 What?
@@rafaelmarangoni i saw it on the tv as news and they get snorkels now.
@@hannesswart4827 And why do you think that’s weird using a snorkel in a pool? Are you, by any chance, suggesting that “if the Neutral Buoyancy Laboratory exists, then space isn’t real”?
BA to Melbourne skirts Antarctica. Make it Adelaide, you’ll have to cross the supposed wall, adding to your demonstration of which model is correct.
Beware of the Night Watch!
Why?? Spring is comming :P
@@sarhtaq In Antarctica?! Winter came and stayed there forever ;)
@@belladonnahigh9206 wrong polar cap ;)
What is wrong with lasers and sea level testing? Lasers are straight and sea level is level. How do have sea "level" and lasers that shine straight over this sea "level" if there is a curved surface? Think about it. Ponder it. How does this actually work?
I'd want to be on this flight. Not even because of flat earthers, but simply cause it sounds like a cool journey.
Actually I was about to post the same thing. It would be brilliant.
If those NBA players think the earth is flat then they’re just playing frisbee.
Disketball!!!!
@@madams6198 No, its called squash
Actually I think it’s just called ultimate frisbee😂🤔🤦🏻♂️
DasketBall
@@nyzagaming4754 but it’s not a ball😂😂😂
I'm guessing the peoplewho insist the Earth is flat, wouldn't be interested in calculating distances and flight times, or checking their assumptions with a compass either.
Of course not. Their idea of "research" is to watch the latest video from their flerf content producer of choice. The clue is when a bunch of them start using the same phrase within a couple of days of each other which they presumably copied from that latest video...
Flat earthers have never studied maths, geometry or physics. They will fail if asked to do calculations. And air navigation is completely beyond their understanding.
There was a challenge for them to show a flight plan for a certain flight route using calculations based only on a flat earth. And then this flight plan would have been compared to the existing actual flight plan.
This challenge has been open for several years and no flat earther has even attempted to complete it.
That sounds like a really nice trip. I just converted to a flat-earther, when do we go?
When y'all pay for it... thousands of $$$ per seat.
You just upgraded road trips to a whole new level.
Imagine the amount of people that would need to be involved in this conspiracy. Pilots, ship crews, logistics who work out fuel/distances, mapping companies, technology companies relying on satellite data, all the geo scientists, meteorologists/weather forecasting, anyone working in physics, all the world governments, etc. After working in multiple large companies in the last couple of decades I’ve realised how incompetent people are and that it’s impossible to project manage such a large fake. This would involve competing companies and governments to work together even though there would be a financial and power benefit to tell the “truth” if the earth was flat. All the minimum wage employees involved would be selling their story. Scientists compete to make announcements, they would be publishing papers, not living grant to grant which do not pay very much
And not one of these people have made a deathbed confession. I know me & my friend can’t keep a secret, how are 50 million people supposed to do it?
Not to mention the sun and the moon would have to be in on it. And the ocean on which you can't see beyond about 7 miles because of the curvature of the earth.
And for what reason? Even if all those people were lying, why? What's the point?
And the most amazing, the US Congress would need to be united in it, both Democrats and Republicans under all administrations.
I think this is the basic assumption of all conspiracy theorists on most matters. Everybody else is actually in on it, but for some reason, they were not included. The reason seems to be that the conspiracy folks are out to get the conspiracy theorists for some arcane reason.
7:48 Kelsey truly wants to make money on dumb people (flat earthers) 😂
If Antartica is a wall of ice then the Flat Earthers have also accidentally proved that Penguins can fly.
Penguin SUPERBIRD! XD
Maybe they fly when none is looking at them, like in toy story? xD. So maybe a secret agent infiltrated in the penguins base of command, was the one that release this information to a flat earth guy O.O
Got
I actually saw a video where they are flying for a short period from higher grounds towards the ocean…
@@paulbrouyere1735 kinda gliding?, several non flying birds do that. =)
Fly over the south pole too while you're at it so we can see if there is an entrance into the hallow Earth.
No commercial flights in that area!!
don't forget about the secret Nazi base down there! everyone forgets about that!
Exactly. Everyone knows it wasn't cgi. They shot it on location. 😏
No fly zone
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Thank you for this offer. I debate flat earthers every week on my channel. They don’t want to test their beliefs. Mostly because they know it will not go the way they want.
I will remind them of this offer during debates.
Bob could sell the gyro and buy several seats!!
@@donanders2110 The laser gyro? According to him, the compass is not accurate but instead drifts by 15° per hour. He can't explain it.
* I debate flat earthers*
Nah, you completely CRUSH flat Earther. This does not quality as a debate.
It's basically fact again someone who sit in a corner saying "nun-uh".
@@gorillaau haha you just couldn’t write this in a comedy hey. They are both maddening and deliciously entertaining.
@@gorillaau - Even older than laser gyro...we have the good old gyrocompass. Not used in aircraft for obvious reason, but quite popular for ship (as they are a stable enought platform for them).
FE believer cannot explain why they work either. A compass than align itself in a perfect east/west axis and can be used to determine true north position directly? Nonsense on FE. Pretty sure Lot of FE believer don't even understand the difference between true north and magnetic north.