Wayne Tower | Remaking Arkham Knight's Gotham Pt.3

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Комментарии • 186

  • @BludPanda
    @BludPanda  23 дня назад +61

    Wow I truly appreciate the support and feedback on this video. It has done well so far, but I'm worried RUclips will pull the plug early like usual. If this video can get above 10K it could genuinely turn my life around this year. I've been struggling to find work and I really needed this to do well. Please keep sharing this around and I promise to make it up to yall!

    • @elighplaysyt
      @elighplaysyt 20 дней назад

      Good luck on this project it seems like it will have its highs and lows

  • @comicfan1324
    @comicfan1324 24 дня назад +242

    I’ll admit I personally have no issue with how Gotham looks in Arkham Knight, I think each of the three districts in the game have a distinct style and serve the purposes of the game but this is a pretty neat project you’re working on.

    • @damagedskvll
      @damagedskvll 24 дня назад +39

      I think the city they made in arkham knight isn't tall enough or claustrophobic enough.

    • @yrwestillhere
      @yrwestillhere 24 дня назад +31

      The thing is, AK is about to be ten years old, granted it still looks better than most modern games. It is a decent representation of the city that serves the purpose of the game. It really is small though. Densely packed. But really, really small.

    • @Triple_Aces
      @Triple_Aces 24 дня назад +18

      Gotham looks fine in Knight, but I think the scale is too small. Islands should’ve been larger with more skyscrapers throughout

    • @thegreatacolyt1277
      @thegreatacolyt1277 23 дня назад

      I have some

    • @thegreatacolyt1277
      @thegreatacolyt1277 23 дня назад

      Fr​@@damagedskvll

  • @MeadowBear99
    @MeadowBear99 24 дня назад +44

    I always loved that version of Gotham in Arkham City - I remember watching videos on how to glitch out of the map and explore the surrounding city; it had this surreal pull, this larger than life aura because of how grand and dramatic it all was, and in my child mind playing Arkham City, I couldn't help but think of what laid beyond it and what was happening out there...I wanted to go into it.
    I was disapointed with Arkham Knight's map, not because it was bad or anything - it works really well as a depiction of Gotham - , but I was hoping for this explorable space with towering skyscrapers looming overhead, where you could perch upon and watch the city go by and the descend into the darkness below, the dark and crooked alleyways and chaotic streets. I remember on the Wayne Manor challenge map on Arkham City that there was a model of the Gotham from the game, with actual buildings, which I always found cool - it made it more real and plausible.

    • @SBINALLA2792
      @SBINALLA2792 14 дней назад +1

      Exactly the same here😂

    • @Star-lr5od
      @Star-lr5od 11 дней назад

      can't explain it as well I feel you bro 100% like just imaging the gameplay of the gotham of arkham city sounds soooo much fun its like a dream what also made it so surreal is the fact there are moving cars and u can feel the vibe of it its just amazing

  • @al_luca6193
    @al_luca6193 19 дней назад +7

    So refreshing to see the Arkham City skyline get the love and praise it deserves! Arkham Knight's city was mechanically fantastic in its design for gameplay, but there was a distinct lack of identity lost within its gamification. The devs had no idea how desperately we all wanted a game where we could ACTUALLY glide through the grandiose skyline without needing to use the freeze grenade glitch in Arkham City! Wishing you the absolute best in your RUclips career, I'm sure you're going to nail it!

  • @AnthonyRizzuti
    @AnthonyRizzuti 23 дня назад +20

    This is such a cool concept, but maybe instead of a re-imagining of just Arkham Knight, this eventually could evolve into a concept for a totally new open world Arkham Game set in the entirety of Gotham. I think that’s the one thing this great series has yet to fulfill, a comprehensive Batman experience set over multiple nights, and it’s up to fans generate enough support for some studio to actually green light something like this. You already have a concept map for all of Gotham, imagine a game where you could patrol that entire map, From Wayne manor, to the central islands, Gotham north, south, the suburbs, barrier islands, the Asylum, and the sea gate amusement park. Like a living breathing version of Gotham with citizens, random crime, a plethora of side missions and an over arching story that isn’t condensed into a single night. It’s bold but with the passion people have so this series i think it’s possible

  • @DrFranklynAnderson
    @DrFranklynAnderson 23 дня назад +26

    When you get to the clocktower, remember to not have office chairs at the computer desks. The designers forgot that detail when making a Birds of Prey Easter egg on the lower floor, where you discover Oracle’s workstation. I work in an office myself and had to put a “♿️ Parking Only” sign at my desk to stop the weekend cleaning crew from putting a chair in my way! 😂

    • @BludPanda
      @BludPanda  23 дня назад +6

      I don't think I'm gonna have the level of detail to make chairs lol

  • @thomaskilroy4573
    @thomaskilroy4573 23 дня назад +105

    Thank GOD! I have been sick and tired of people saying that Gotham in Knight was perfect and calling me weird for saying the background version in City was far superior.

    • @rexthewolf3149
      @rexthewolf3149 21 день назад +20

      You are weird, because a background doesn’t have to worry about gameplay constraints.

    • @thomaskilroy4573
      @thomaskilroy4573 21 день назад

      @@rexthewolf3149 No. But it does have to be worried about by canonicity dumbass.

    • @Twenteen2
      @Twenteen2 21 день назад +1

      this is going to look incredible I'm certain of it, can't wait to see more

    • @halilkural9958
      @halilkural9958 18 дней назад +3

      If you feel uncomfortable about Gotham in AK game you should see the doctor 😂😂

    • @thomaskilroy4573
      @thomaskilroy4573 18 дней назад

      @@rexthewolf3149 No. But they do have to worry about CONSISTENCY constraints don’t they?!?!

  • @danielmj7284
    @danielmj7284 25 дней назад +38

    I love when you make these, gotham is so unique and i wish arkham knight could’ve gave us more

  • @imed-ha77
    @imed-ha77 24 дня назад +14

    This makes me want to get more Batman games. There are so many great ideas and things that can be added to the Batman series, the most important of which is that we fly with the Batwing🔥

  • @Quinn_3134
    @Quinn_3134 22 дня назад +7

    I've always really loved the idea of Gotham having a lot of verticality. Like you said, just building on top of whats already there like in Founders island. but what if you were to push this idea even further... Imagine extremely old gothic buildings with progressively more modern/futuristic elements tacked on as you reach the top. Have walkways and streets 10 stories high so at the top its this crazy futuristic utopia but when when you go all the way to the bottom it's still untouched from like 100 years ago and every floor represents a different decade. And maybe even have new buildings that don't even reach the ground floor because they were built so recently. but have the walkways and stuff spaced out far enough that you can still see all of this in one go (and are able to easily grapple to the top of a building as batman ofc)

  • @KiLlACaMrOn94
    @KiLlACaMrOn94 19 дней назад +2

    I love the vision! I was getting goosebumps just thinking about a playable build. Then, to hear you’re also working on a story/lore…🤯🙌🏽
    Arkham Knight is my FAVORITE Batman game. I’m excited to see where you take this. 🤙🏽

  • @njgx01
    @njgx01 6 дней назад +1

    I’ve long wished for a playable Gotham City environment that is faithful to the concept art of the Arkham games - so this is amazing to see.
    The gigantism-like qualities of the buildings; the art deco style and so on, it’s perfect.

  • @RampagingCat107
    @RampagingCat107 20 дней назад +5

    This is similar to an idea I've had for a while of building my own version of Gotham in Minecraft but you've already more than outdone anything I've tried already. Excited to see more of this.

  • @LGSN96
    @LGSN96 25 дней назад +19

    Even the map alone is super impressive. Well done

  • @BearlyRegal
    @BearlyRegal 23 дня назад +5

    As someone with a similar personal creative desire to re-design Gotham City I'm absolutely adoring this video (and the fact RUclips knew to recommend it - what a win)! This is a phenomenal endeavor and I can't wait to see how the project evolves so you've definitely made a subscriber of me. Keep up the great work - genuinely can't wait to see more!

  • @Bugplanet8840
    @Bugplanet8840 25 дней назад +13

    This is fantastic man!
    Can’t wait to see how the city scape evolves, especially with the whole Height method for the different districts.

  • @laffin4033
    @laffin4033 24 дня назад +7

    This is such a great idea for a series. Arkham Knights map just never felt right to me I always wanted it to be what we saw in Arkham City. Keep it up man

  • @MarcAnthonyBrown
    @MarcAnthonyBrown 22 дня назад +5

    For years!! I have thought of ways the Arkham Knight map could be different. I see what they are trying to do but I was really wanted that grandiose skyline from Arkham City. Keep these videos up! Hoping to support this endeavor

  • @CatGuy969
    @CatGuy969 21 день назад +3

    0:13 YES!!!! THIS IS THE GOTHAM IVE ALWAYS WANTED!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!

  • @Exodusisback
    @Exodusisback 23 дня назад +1

    Honestly, seems great, i hope you keep them up and release them as frequently as possible, i look forwards to the final product

  • @dynamitewolft4194
    @dynamitewolft4194 25 дней назад +6

    the architecture is amazing

  • @user-pk8cj1qh2e
    @user-pk8cj1qh2e 19 дней назад +1

    Dude. Your way of explaining your process and how you put together the visuals is top. Definity got a subscriber; can't wait to see where this goes. And thank you for the new spectacular Gotham layout headcannon.

  • @jacobcenter7374
    @jacobcenter7374 24 дня назад +5

    Dude this is sick! I feel like the middle of miagani was the only part of Gotham in Knight that actually scratched the itch that City's background gave me. I love the amount of care and detail put into this

  • @joshuadownes9449
    @joshuadownes9449 24 дня назад +4

    Holy fuck dude this is insane I cannot wait to see this project finished and would be insane to see a somewhat explorable version of your map once it’s done! Keep on pushing and keep building it’ll be great in the end!

  • @TheHeroHaven
    @TheHeroHaven 25 дней назад +4

    This is seriously impressive man I can’t wait to see the rest

  • @bigsmokefazbear8193
    @bigsmokefazbear8193 24 дня назад +3

    This is awesome!
    I didn’t expect these results with voxels. Good luck with the rest!

  • @HeirOfAzrael
    @HeirOfAzrael 24 дня назад +36

    This vid ight igggg

    • @fogartyfox592
      @fogartyfox592 24 дня назад +3

      Hey I’ve watched your videos

    • @HeirOfAzrael
      @HeirOfAzrael 24 дня назад +2

      @@fogartyfox592 Thank you for watching them :)

    • @damagedskvll
      @damagedskvll 24 дня назад +3

      Yall need to collaborate.

    • @Eden.Johnglere
      @Eden.Johnglere 20 дней назад

      ​@@damagedskvll I think they did? Im not sure :)

  • @ParkerStudios-d1p
    @ParkerStudios-d1p 25 дней назад +5

    Been waiting for this!!

  • @jayyprod.8134
    @jayyprod.8134 8 дней назад

    man you are working wonders, you're making the gotham we've all dreamt of venturing, playing arkham city

  • @Speechless_gameplay
    @Speechless_gameplay 24 дня назад +2

    I find this concept so interesting. Can’t wait to keep up with this!

  • @hamdzulfiqar9149
    @hamdzulfiqar9149 8 дней назад

    Wow, man. It's really amazing the work you're putting into it. I definitely wanna see it to fruition. Truly admire you.

  • @ren4issance-754
    @ren4issance-754 24 дня назад +3

    Damn, this is sick. Keep it up, would love to see more!

  • @gamerjojo4591
    @gamerjojo4591 10 дней назад

    0:13 YES FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT BECAUSE THE AESTHETIC OF GOTHAM IN ARKHAM CITY AND ASYLUM WAS PERFECT

  • @ceccascorp8149
    @ceccascorp8149 15 дней назад +1

    This is just fantastic. I would love to see more

  • @reachlol1
    @reachlol1 18 дней назад

    Seriously man, I hope you consider opening a Patreon, this is incredible. I would love to see a completed map including Arkham Asylum and City.

  • @shaunthedinosaur8993
    @shaunthedinosaur8993 21 день назад

    This looks amazing already with just the one building and i cant wait to see what you'll do with the rest of gotham, keep up the great work!

  • @ZTronic.
    @ZTronic. 21 день назад

    This is a pretty solid video, It’s cool you are remaking the AK Gotham map, I’ve been waiting for someone to make a huge ass Gotham map that combines the City, Origins & knight maps with maybe the Asylum if possible? Just imagine how cool that would be.
    Overall great job mate.

  • @JSavo_
    @JSavo_ 17 дней назад

    This is awesome. I cannot wait to see how it evolves and comes together!

  • @gabrielcostaa22
    @gabrielcostaa22 24 дня назад +1

    This is simply fantastic bro! For real I'm impressed on the effort you put into this, and is so good to finally see Gotham being treated as it should, like a fantastic city with tall and unique buildings, lots of constructions on the most diferent places and characteristic reagions, not just some random Chicago or NY, so congrats on this. Looking forward to the next videos

  • @sp.spinoulas
    @sp.spinoulas 18 дней назад

    And here I thought I was the only one crazy enough to attempt a more accurate Gotham map. Good luck man!

  • @DarkDekicDuka
    @DarkDekicDuka 5 дней назад

    This is absolutely incredible! Keep going man, you have an amazing thing cooking here.

  • @texasrick7327
    @texasrick7327 10 дней назад

    This is awesome man. I love the visual style of AC's Gotham too

  • @1mrmrc265
    @1mrmrc265 20 дней назад

    I’m currently building my own take of Gotham on Minecraft, mainly inspired by the Matt reeves version, and watching this makes me so happy, as I’m not the only crazy person doing something like this. By the way amazing video!

  • @marvankasnoph4142
    @marvankasnoph4142 20 дней назад +1

    This😂is the best concept I ever Seen,This be beautiful

  • @Emohawk707
    @Emohawk707 21 день назад

    Love this, mate.
    You're doing exactly what I have wanted to do for a long time, now
    (Imagine a game series running on the Arkham engine set in an NYC-sized Gotham city with buildings like that in the Arkham City background

  • @acinonyx3265
    @acinonyx3265 24 дня назад

    I'm enthusiastic about your project. I really like your map. Very good work!
    Personally, I tried to remake the arkhamverse map but without modifying the AK map as much. It was more with a view to making a sequel to arkham origins and having a game where you can visit all the places in the arkham saga but adding extra districts to link everything together.

  • @maxwellhere8694
    @maxwellhere8694 20 дней назад

    wow this is pretty cool. i got a million ideas for building designs just watching this. im gonna go see what i can come up with

  • @michaelscott4349
    @michaelscott4349 17 дней назад

    Dude thanks for the great video. I always felt a little dissapointed by how different gotham looked in knight in comparisson to city's skyline. Anyway , looking forward to see more of this project. All the best, keep it up.

  • @JoeAbercrombie-k1y
    @JoeAbercrombie-k1y 23 дня назад

    let‘s all hope for a pt 2, this content is bussin🙏

  • @underratedproductions6326
    @underratedproductions6326 25 дней назад +2

    Excited for more voxel content ❤

  • @metademon
    @metademon 15 дней назад

    This is truly insane work, great job

  • @jacomb4395
    @jacomb4395 24 дня назад +1

    Dude this vid is crazy good wtf. Good shit man, really well edited, everything is dope.

  • @Packers1999
    @Packers1999 20 дней назад

    Dude I’ve wanted this for so long you’re doing gods work. I always loved how Arkham City’s Gotham looked. Knight ruined it.

  • @High.Sobriety
    @High.Sobriety 24 дня назад +1

    love the gotham skybox since I was a kid. If they did something like the spider man games gotham could become a reality.

  • @BenjaminMendozaFlostrand
    @BenjaminMendozaFlostrand 22 дня назад +1

    This is very cool stuff. Looking forward to the rest of Gotham.

  • @florntlaze810
    @florntlaze810 21 день назад

    Slightly reminds me of Saints Row 3 and 4's map. Although giving the scope, I think the map in GTA 4 is closer; Lego Batman 2 also had a cool map.
    The canceled Project Apollo Batman game also gives off the Arkham City, Gotham background vibes.

  • @fergieseyebrows
    @fergieseyebrows 19 дней назад

    WHAT THE HELL, THIS IS SO AMAZING PLEASE KEEP GOING

  • @oscartorres5864
    @oscartorres5864 18 дней назад +1

    Crazy how Arkham Knight is the first game of the trilogy to start getting a remake treatment by the fans lol.
    I'd love remaking this as a hyperrealistic asset someday.

  • @jaini9e
    @jaini9e 24 дня назад +2

    great work

  • @Avenger85438
    @Avenger85438 20 дней назад

    I can understand the want to change up the city.
    Batman really works best in a gothic setting, and the original Arkham game did a great job of conveying that while so including contemporary technology, but the balance kinda shifted when we got to Knight thanks to the pressures of living up to the new generation of consoles available at the time.

  • @Sabiq16
    @Sabiq16 25 дней назад +3

    Very well done brother❤️❤️🎖

  • @wes7186
    @wes7186 25 дней назад +2

    Love this, subbed

  • @CaptainGamerPro
    @CaptainGamerPro 18 дней назад

    Insanely cool project dude the arkham dream!

  • @donpetrol
    @donpetrol 21 день назад

    Honestly looks amazing bro.

  • @fraqusek_
    @fraqusek_ 23 дня назад

    I would love to see the results in the future. Keep it up man ❤

  • @pro-to-type
    @pro-to-type 8 дней назад

    keep going dude this will look amazing

  • @wizzardajp
    @wizzardajp 20 дней назад

    so stoked for this project!

  • @Cyber47508
    @Cyber47508 24 дня назад

    Awesome! Let's hope it'll turn into a mod for Arkham Knight someday. Who knows.

  • @Jonah-lang
    @Jonah-lang 23 дня назад

    Man this is awesome i was really dissapointed with the way gothsm looked like in arkham knight so keep going!

  • @justaguy3825
    @justaguy3825 25 дней назад +1

    Wow that tower looks beautiful

  • @theotherguy21
    @theotherguy21 15 дней назад

    I think asylum needs to be full blown remade to make the map feel larger and the building's bigger than they were

  • @m4k1ch4n5
    @m4k1ch4n5 19 дней назад

    I would buy that remake, excellent project

  • @niko931
    @niko931 8 дней назад

    I love the design of arkham knight’s gotham but the issue I have with it, that its vertically isn’t the same as arkham city’s at the background, what also can be a cool and astonishing add to skyscrapers is the ones from gotham knights, I like how each building has its own color hitting the clouds and creating a futuristic type of visuals to it, that would nice if you add it to your project, liked and subcribed can’t wait to see more in the future👏🏻💯

  • @user-fy6kr7yr9c
    @user-fy6kr7yr9c 24 дня назад

    This is amazing. Kudos to you.

  • @K_U_B_A494
    @K_U_B_A494 24 дня назад +1

    i love this finally someone creating the gotham city that resembles from arkham city this vid is awesome plz keep up also could you also include new gotham from arkham origins?

  • @The-IceMage
    @The-IceMage 24 дня назад

    I really liked how this turned out, looking forward for when the new parts will release ❤

  • @mrmustafar2982
    @mrmustafar2982 21 день назад

    Great work dude, keep it up.

  • @eddiemonahane
    @eddiemonahane 9 дней назад

    This is so cool!

  • @joaopedrocorrea9946
    @joaopedrocorrea9946 24 дня назад

    Please continue the series I really wanna see the full city

  • @lppstudios3006
    @lppstudios3006 25 дней назад +1

    This is going to make for a cool Map Remake

  • @gonzaloponce4967
    @gonzaloponce4967 24 дня назад

    so so so so awesome

  • @Konstantly
    @Konstantly 25 дней назад +1

    Great video!!

  • @robindahlberg8847
    @robindahlberg8847 25 дней назад +1

    Love this so far!!!

  • @Shrike-YT
    @Shrike-YT 24 дня назад +1

    Hopefully this gains more attention similar to when that guy remade simpsons hit and run

  • @al-moatasem8579
    @al-moatasem8579 23 дня назад

    Fantastic

  • @bmo5852
    @bmo5852 24 дня назад +3

    Hello, i had a question about the skyline. With the Origins map has everything south of Arkham City been retconned?
    Such as buildings like the towering Gotham City Bank, the smaller GCN building, and the W&M building? The whole borough was referred to as 'New Gotham' so you could claim those buildings were constructed after Origins, perhaps Bruce invested in the area soon after.
    Are there also plans for other noticeable skyline buildings? Including the main GCN tower, the set of connected towers between GCN and Wayne Ent? The Gotham City Hall and City Centre Buildings, that weird modern looking building with the Arkham Logo to the North and the Wonder Tower shaped building next to the Arkham Island bridge.
    Some interesting world-building could be the areas north of Amusement Mile having structural reinforcements and braces that have clearly been unceremoniously welded onto the buildings, as a precaution against earthquakes like the one that sunk Amusement Mile.
    Lastly, in Arkham City, there were seemingly smaller commercial buildings in the district for some companies like ACE Chemicals and Bank of Gotham. A few more small commercial buildings out in your map could offer some interesting world-building for these companies, Who had to abandon their previous buildings when the compulsory purchases for Arkham City occurred, and now these new buildings are covered in scaffolding as renovations are at varying stages of completion, not helped by the old buildings in Arkham City being returned to their owners and resources being diverted to restore them.
    Some fun contrast could be found in small commercial buildings for companies that didn't have buildings in Arkham City, Gothcorp, GCN, Galaxy Broadcasting and so on being well kept in comparison.

    • @BludPanda
      @BludPanda  24 дня назад +2

      -Arkham Origins area does exist, none of it has been retconned, it just doesn't fit on this map.
      -There will be plenty of notable skyline buildings, probably not exactly taken from the AC background tho. It's not meant to resemble that version exactly.
      -Reinforcements is a cool idea.
      -I will keep the commercial buildings idea in mind.

  • @user-io1hx1zx7d
    @user-io1hx1zx7d 22 дня назад +1

    instant sub

  • @Liam-r9e
    @Liam-r9e 24 дня назад

    It's really good

  • @jpmartinez9165
    @jpmartinez9165 20 дней назад

    A lot of us are unsubscribing once we see it’s done unless you keep putting the effort, you gotta really want this RUclips shit

  • @kaine9727
    @kaine9727 23 дня назад

    This is awesome, I always didn't really like Gotham in Bak (except for miagani island), I wanted to see more high-rises and dark deco in Gotham, keep it up and you'll do well.
    P.S. I'm writing this text through google translate (sorry for my bad english)

  • @HeirOfAzrael
    @HeirOfAzrael 25 дней назад +3

    8 billion sceenshots my computer exploded.

    • @BludPanda
      @BludPanda  25 дней назад +1

      +8 billion voxel points to buy a new computer

  • @micerbow
    @micerbow 15 дней назад

    Sub earned. This is so cool

  • @Angel-Otk
    @Angel-Otk 24 дня назад +1

    Moree MOREEEEEEE!!!

  • @SG-qx9ko
    @SG-qx9ko 24 дня назад

    I know the reason Gotham was smaller in Arkham Knight was because of console limitations, but I still desperately want to play in the Gotham backdrop.

  • @esqueletomatadordeotakus4119
    @esqueletomatadordeotakus4119 24 дня назад +2

    Bro i got this in my recomended, and i have a question, will you include arkham city in the playable map? That would be dope as hell, and don't even get me started on the asylum lol. 1 more sub to you

    • @BludPanda
      @BludPanda  24 дня назад +3

      Unfortunately Arkham City isn't a playable area because I want the hypothetical to be believable. I may be able to model Arkham City and the other Arkham games in the future tho and connect it to this! Thanks for watching!

    • @esqueletomatadordeotakus4119
      @esqueletomatadordeotakus4119 24 дня назад

      @@BludPanda ay man, Thats good enough for me, take your Sweet time and Cook my boy!

  • @thealleffonseca
    @thealleffonseca 10 дней назад

    Nice content bro

  • @user-zy7oh7ni2f
    @user-zy7oh7ni2f 10 дней назад

    I’m not gonna lie I thought he was going to re-create the tower from Batman, Arkham city and Batman Arkham asylum

  • @sketmetal
    @sketmetal 24 дня назад +1

    Man, i wish you all the best in this project.
    My biggest problem with Arkham Knight it's how the map don't feel like Gotham
    Amazing job

  • @kpvideography1042
    @kpvideography1042 23 дня назад +1

    No need for in depth explanations just say "I did this cause its fcking cool as balls"

  • @DIRANT-9999
    @DIRANT-9999 24 дня назад

    Amazing project...
    I have always wanted Gotham City Version of Arkham to make more sense overall... It's clear Rocksteady just had a vague vision for the whole city and went with it.