First, I'd like to mention that "tender, emotional music" is my villain origin story. Because Netflix really had the audacity to have those exact subtitles for canon couples during their scenes. And they thought we wouldn't notice them using it for Mike and Will. But also, apparently the song that plays when Mike starts talking is called, "In the closet". The evidence makes itself at this point. Honestly, I hadn't even heard of the theory that Mike thought Will liked Angela. But I can actually see it now. Mike doesn't pick up on the tension between Will and El. Yet he seems really nervous when Angela comes to the table. And you can't say it's because he's noticing something is off between Angela and El because when Will suggests El is lying to him and is looking nervously at Angela, Mike immediately shoots that idea down. So he thinks El and Angela are great friends. So why is Mike suddenly so nervous? Also, also, I think this is called color theory. Which is basically how the lighting and colors in a scene are specifically chosen to determine the mood the audience is supposed to get. Usually when a sad scene is happening, things are dark, gloomy, typically raining. When Mike and El broke up, the scene was bright, almost comical. Mike was annoyed, Max was amused, and El was angry. Then the scene ended. Versus Mike and Will's big fight where it's raining, dark, and the mood is somber. These feel like intentional choices. And if the Duffer Brothers are really this particular about colors and phrases, I only have one thing to say. Blue meets Yellow in the west. Where is California? In the west. Mike and Will are both associated with blue and yellow. Case closed. Evidence presented. Season 5, don't let me down.
I totally agree!!! Tysm for sharing your thoughts! I feel like the evidence is really piling up and (shipping Byler aside) I will actually be surprised if Mike and Will don’t get together in season 5. Also yeah I totally forgot he immediately shuts down the idea of El lying because he truly believed El and Angela were friends. This whole scene just felt so strange and off to me and with these theories and context it just make so much sense in my opinion Also I love that they also (along with tender emotional music thing) put Mike and Will on Netflix banners just like the canon couples Have a lovely day
But its so true😭 like literally . First, his bsf/bf gives him tap on the back after not seeing him for A YEAR. Then, he becomes Third Wheel to his Sister and bsf. And then after seeing them enjoying the day, having so much fun, skating happily while holding hands…..They Don’t Give The Man a $3 Milkshake😭
Poor Will. First, his bsf/bf gives him tap on the back after not seeing him for A YEAR. Then, he becomes Third Wheel to his Sister and bsf. And then after seeing them enjoying the day, having so much fun, skating happily while holding hands…..They Don’t Give The Man a $2 Milkshake😭💀😭😭🤚
" The week is long, the silver cat feeds, when blue meets yellow in the west, a trip to china sounds nice, if you tread lightly. " lemme translate: 7 days, vecna's curse, when mike meets will in california, a date, secret relationship.
i'd really like to add some stuff! i think "a trip to china sounds nice, if you tread lightly" could also mean going to the upside down. when i saw your comment it for some reason reminded me of the phrase "digging a hole to china". it used to be (maybe still is) a common thought that the usa and china are on opposite sides of the world, though that's not true. here china could be a replacement for the upside down. THAT reminded me of an analysis video from lesbianmindflayer (here's the video btw ruclips.net/video/eVLJuNuTKFo/видео.html), which theorized that in s5 we might see will and mike stuck in the upside down together. that video also says that we might see mike and will relying on each other more, having intimate conversations and stuff like that. that could maybe be them rebuilding their relationship and becoming close like they used to, probably even coming to terms about their feelings for each other :> and that's why this "trip to china" would be in any way nice that's it, i think. i hope i made sense :]
7:44 it was confirmed by Caleb that the cast made playlists for their characters in s5 and STurn is Finn's playlist for Mike, it has songs with lyrics like "besides i don't wanna be the one who's coming out first" which means Mike wants Will to come out first as gay before him because he's scared, and lyrics like "it's so easy to lie to myself and pretend that i could love you but i can't" which is about Mike's pov of mlvn, he can't love El because he's gay and it has a song about a milkshake and about how a relationship wasn't built to last (mlvn, they had milkshakes in s4) and in s5 Mike is wearing Will's shoes ( 1:10:22 ) which is a thing for couples and Will is wearing Mike's clothes, plus they made Will spell "lover" in the words game in a bts picture ( 1:10:48 ) because he's gonna have a lover (Mike) and a reliable leaker said that Will's love interest (boyfriend) is gonna be Mike, Will is definitely staying at Mike's which would be perfect for them as a couple 1:14:37 according to a leaker Mike's s5 arc: self-discovery (being gay) and not trying to be normal anymore (not trying to be straight anymore, El's s5 arc : self-discovery and familiar love (family) and Millie said that El is trying to find out who she is without Mike and her arc is about being independent
One thing you missed, is the music. For example, a song that plays when will and Mike are talking, is Tarzan Boy, a song about a gay man telling another gay man to embrace himself and just accept he is gay. And then it switches songs turing the fight as Mike is talking to a stranger things soundtrack song: "in the closet (at rink-o-manía)" and they could've done the song switch as it shows Eleven in the storage closet/employees only room, but no, it changed when Will and Mike were fighting.
I’m so thankful for you to point out that Mike is probably jealous of Angela, I didn’t pick up on that at first but that is what makes Mike’s whole “acting weird”- thing so much SENSE. I actually included that in my Byler story video I uploaded today. I love your analysis videos, please continue with them, I really enjoy them and you seems like such a smart and nice girl ♡
Thank you for the lovely comment 😁 I knew the moment I saw his reaction to Angela that something was up! This plus his behavior at the airport has me fully convinced he believed Angela was the girl Will “had a crush on”
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I have already watched 3 of your videos in the last hour. I love your analyzing of these scenes. I recently just finished stranger things 4 and I am 100% Byler
S5 needs to have one last fight between mike and will about the painting. When mike finds out El didn't ask for the painting and it was wills idea. And then later will admits it and comes out? I feel like that painting is so important it cant go unmentioned about the fact its not El that wanted it.
NO BECAUSE IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! I still haven't watched your airport video (I'm on way to watch it literally rn), But I believe that the way Mike refused to give Will a proper hug just didn't make any sense to me. He casually hugs Dustin, Lucas and his other friends and then he meets his oldest bestfriend SINCE KINDERGARTEN, after A YEAR, and he just... refuses to hug him properly? like WHY? there is absolutely no sense in this unless the only rational reason that is the fact that he was, jealous, now that he thinks Will likes a girl. And he was acting super sappy around El as some kind of a petty revenge somehow? BECAUSE he made it seem like El is all he sees but then in their argument he told Will that "You're rolling your eyes, and moping and barely saying anything and sabotaging the day" Which in fact means that Mike was pretending that he's mesmerized by El, when in fact he was paying attention to Will all the time, hence why he realizes Will's eye rolling and etc (which El didn't really noticed). I think this says a lot about them. And I also found it funny that in season 1 that bully Troy was talking shit about Will and Mike felt so mad all of the sudden and he went and stood for Will and pushed Troy which made everyone shocked. But when El did the same to her bully, he acts like an angry chicken going: "wHAt diD yOu dO" lol you literally did that for Will before stop acting so shocked by it.
Love this take!!! And I do explain my angela thing a lil more in the airport video so lmk what you think of that full theory! But yeah it’s so crazy to me, and it’s why I’m currently writing my script for a full queer-coding analysis going back to s1 for Mike because I feel like there’s so much more under the surface and I’m so curious about it because I feel like he’s more queer-coded than Will! Tysm for sharing, have a lovely day
about Mike freaking out about El hitting Angela, there are some very big differences in the scenes you brought up which perfectly explains it. in s1, when Troy makes fun of Will being dead, Mike gets (rightfully) angry and pushes him to the floor, maybe he even gets ready to have a full on fight with him before El interrupted. that's a reasonable response, especially for a 12 year old. but in s4, when El hits Angela in the face with a skate... well first of all, Mike wasn't there to see that specific fight beforehand happen, he only saw the aftermath of it. he saw El get bullied on the rink, yes, and I don't think he would have freaked out if El had just slapped her or pushed her to the floor, but she literally grabs a blunt object and smashes it into her face. that could kill someone. Angela humiliated El, and El drew blood (in a way that made the injury look even more dramatic than it was, too). it's not strange that Mike is bewildered by it in the moment - it's shocking, Will is shocked too. and he probably worries for El as well because holy shit, that's assault, and El could get in trouble for that (which she did).
@@tova1412 I think you might have forgotten when El broke troy's arm and Mike called her a hero for it. how is breaking someone's arm so different from breaking someone's nose? and okay. I can understand him freaking out because of how serious the situation was, but it is not justifying him being a bitch about it. as you said, El was the one mostly affected by what she's done and she was scared and upset. as her boyfriend, he had to be on her side, asking if she's alright? and comforting her instead of being sarcastic and passive aggressive about the whole situation. he made el feel worse than she was already feeling, he made her feel like a monster (her own words), and he made her feel very low of herself.
@@moonglitter7982 no, I haven't forgotten about that, but again, that situation was very very different. first of all, that arm she broke was holding a knife that had just been used to threaten both Mike and Dustin, and was in that very moment about to be used to threaten El herself, and breaking his arm was an (extreme, sure) way to make him drop the knife. but the dude had just put that knife against Dustin's throat and just tried to get Mike to kill himself, and would have succeeded if El hadn't shown up. that's a dangerous person looking to kill, not a bully looking for a laugh. on top of that, El was just 12 at the time and had been out the lab for just a few days and had used violence to protect herself over and over again at this point, partly because she needed to and partly because she didn't really know any other way, she can't exactly communicate with people very well. Mike called her a hero for saving his life, not for breaking Troy's arm. and about Mike acting shitty toward El after the whole skate thing... I mean yeah, that's not what he should do at all, but I get where he's coming from just like I get where El was coming from when she did that, it's just a messed up situation. should Mike have been there for El? yes. but does he also have the right to be confused and bewildered and a little angry and act like a lot of other 15 year olds would have done in that situation? also yes, in my opinion at least, even if he should have kept those emotions under wraps. but this is Mike, his character has been very consistent in the fact that that's something he isn't very good at doing.
Also when Mike is looking at “Angela” he’s looking more to the side, at Angela’s male friend. When I first saw it he seemed to be flustered or shocked, and I was so confused about why it was Angela, but I rewatched it and he’s obviously looking at her male friend Plus the men in the back drinking milkshakes, the song being about a gay man accepting the gay lifestyle, the normal
13:05 the Duffers remodeled rink o mania and changed the lights so yeah it was intentional and they also made rink o mania look like the gay bar from Dawson's Creek and made Mike parallel Jack (canon gay character who had a girlfriend and dated her to be "normal"
6:51 Maybe this scene is Will watching them. Even though we see the scenes immediately after, they don’t necessarily occur immediately. The second scene could be like half an hour or more later. It could just mean that at the end Will went away alone because he felt excluded. I agree the scene is weird but for me that is all what means. And about the birthday that is a mistake of the Duffer Brothers, they forgot Will’s birthday.
yeah right it ciuldnt have been a mistake, the only date spoken aloud in the whole show (wills bday), just conveniently is the date they choose for the camera? uhuh..
@@nyx.5871 YES! Cause that’s what i thought, there are literally 364 other days they could’ve picked to put on the camera, and they “randomly” just chose March 22nd…. Coincidence!?🤨 I. think. Not!🫨
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8:27 during this scene it looks like Angela’s boyfriend is checking out mike, and that may be why he was stumbling over his words and looked nervous but you never know!
Could you talk about how intentional the music choice is throughout the season? Specifically how the song "in the closet" plays during the rink o mania scene and starts only when the camera is focused on Mike bc that is super interesting to me
I now headcanon that will is lactose intolerant and that's why he didn't have a milkshake. us gays and our stomach issues are really out here resisting temptations
It's just editing multiple takes together in the rollerskating rink. Not every transition in the show is emotionally smooth, especially if a shot was removed in post.
I know I’m like SUPER.. late to this LOL- but anyways I didn’t notice all of this in the show- it’s almost like the duffers wanted us to be so focused on el and mikes relationship because it’s always been those two since season one, so they can (most likely) shock us when and IF byler becomes canon. There’s so many other clues in later on scenes like in volume 2, a lot with natural lighting which HAS to be on purpose because most of the times it was sunlight (the painting scene in the surfer boys pizza car)which natural sunlight doesn’t move like that💀 (if ur confused I’ll explain really quickly but if not that was the end of my yapping) Mike and will are in the van talking about el, and in the back of the truck is the logo. (Surfer *boys* pizza) the sun is coming from wills side (the left) and is reflecting a tiny on Mike. Whenever they discuss about mikes problems with el, no shadow appear. HOWEVER, when the painting is brought up and any mention about it or will, you’ll see next to Mike the shadow of the logo is present, and it says *boys* . Same thing when Mike is shows with the painting at his front angle, it only says *boys* . Now, this happens for quite a while but if you know how sunlight works, it doesn’t naturally move like that.. it could be a stretch but I guess we’ll have to find out in season 5🤷♀️
I love your analysis. I only have 1 suggestion: Stop apologizing! You back up your views very well. If a homophobe happens to object then 1. Then it's incumbent on them to say how you're wrong. My guess is they can't. 2. Oh well. 3. Why'd they click on the video? Hetero shippers aren't apologizing, you shouldn't either!
i’m sorry, but after everything will’s gone through- and considering the fact that el doesnt feel loved by mike, THEY JUST NEEEEEEEED TO END UP TOGETHER. YOU CANT TELL ME THEY ARENT MEANT TO BE
@@MarshmallowSketches yours made my day but like why he not have a milk shake first he forgot his b day now they forget his milkshake like what is this😤
I have a theory that the friends don’t lie was for will when Lonnie was loving with them Since we all know will doesn’t like have all the spoitlight. Idk :) thought it was sadly cute
@@MarshmallowSketches see how the main rule of the party is friends don’t lie I think it could have been started when will was still living with Lonnie so if he showed up with like bruises he wouldn’t lie About it because we all know will doesn’t like have too much attention focused on him Idk I thought was kids cute
im about to comment like a month after the video was uploaded but whatever. I also totally agree that will is an unreliable narrator. in the airport scene where Mike asked what was in wills hand, Will said a painting that he's been working on. If Mike realized that it was the painting from Els letter , the painting as El assumed was for Wills crush. El also says in the letter that she doesn't know what will was painting and assumed it was for his crush. In the van scene when Will gives the painting to Mike, I was wondering what Mike was thinking. First of all if he had read El's letter, (which we saw him reading in his bed like a day before going to california) , wouldn't he have thought that it was for Wills crush, and if Will was giving it to him, wouldn't that mean that he was Will's crush? In this scene Mike doesn't look like he knows that. Its the fact that Mike doesn't even bat an eye when Will says that El commissioned the painting which was a total lie, and even jonathan sees through Wills lies when he looks at Will in the rear view mirror. Either Mike forgot that El wrote this, or he does know, or in Wills point of view, he never knew. Basically what I mean is , will doesn't know El wrote that letter, and lied about El telling him what to draw. (how could El have commissioned it if she didnt know what he was painting?) and Mike thinks its for Wills crush. And El wrote the letter, not knowing what he was painting, or who he was painting it for. Since Will lies about this, it totally goes against his own rule that friends don't lie. How could Will be mad that El was lying to Mike, but then go on to lie to Mike later?
This is only my opinion, but I honestly do not feel that Will lied to Mike on purpose, mostly because he doesn't know that El wrote to Mike about the painting in the letters. He is very scared that Mike will reject him and maybe even stop being his friend if he tells him how he really feels (remembering what he told Mike sitting on the car while they were digging), I think that was one main reason but the other is he was genuinely trying to give Mike hope about El, telling him that she will always need him. Will loves both of them very much and yes his speech was about himself but I do feel it was also about her too, I really feel he was sacrificing his own feelings for Mike because he wants Mike to be happy as well as El.
What do you think about possible queer coding between Dustin and Eddie? Season 4 Episode 8 @ 1:02:15 to 1:03:07 and Season 4 Episode 9 @ 1:42:27 to 1:44:10?
BYLER SHIPPER TILL THE END! but i also want to point out that mike knew will was gay (we know this after the “it’s not my fault you don’t like girls” scene) so i don’t think mike would be scared that will had a crush on Angela. ALTHOUGH in the letter El sent mike, when talking about the painting she says “perhaps it is for a girl”. will then proceeds to take the painting to the airport but not give it to mike. then they went straight from the airport to rink-o-mania so will wouldn’t have had time to drop the painting at home. then they meet angela and mike might have been scared that the painting was for her?🤔 we knew that the painting was for mike but he didn’t. idrk but maybe that ties in with your comment quite nicely?
And also I’m stranger things we know that Mikes collier is blue and wills colour is yellow and in heart stopper Nikes colour is blue and Charlie’s colour is yellow and also in heartstopper Nike is bi and Charlie is gay as in Mike is bi and Will is gay!
@@MarshmallowSketches it’s okay!! It’s just that all your other videos had them - maybe I didn’t choose the right setting or something cos usually there’s at least an auto-generated option?
YOU REMEMBER THAT RUSSIAN MESSAGE ROBIN AND STEVE WERE FIGURING OUT IT SAID WHEN BLUE MEETS YELLOW IN THE WEST AND THATS WHERE MIKE AND WILL WERE 👁🤔🤔🤔
I do!
I am a firm believer of the Byler blue meets yellow in the west theory 😁
@@MarshmallowSketches me too, my tumblr likes are full of posts about it 😂
Ya and yellow represented will and blue represented Mike
Mike was wearing a blue jacket and will was wearing a yellow shirt- AHHH
AND THEN THEY SWICTHED MIKE WORE YELLOW AND WILL WORE BLUE
First, I'd like to mention that "tender, emotional music" is my villain origin story. Because Netflix really had the audacity to have those exact subtitles for canon couples during their scenes. And they thought we wouldn't notice them using it for Mike and Will. But also, apparently the song that plays when Mike starts talking is called, "In the closet". The evidence makes itself at this point.
Honestly, I hadn't even heard of the theory that Mike thought Will liked Angela. But I can actually see it now. Mike doesn't pick up on the tension between Will and El. Yet he seems really nervous when Angela comes to the table. And you can't say it's because he's noticing something is off between Angela and El because when Will suggests El is lying to him and is looking nervously at Angela, Mike immediately shoots that idea down. So he thinks El and Angela are great friends. So why is Mike suddenly so nervous?
Also, also, I think this is called color theory. Which is basically how the lighting and colors in a scene are specifically chosen to determine the mood the audience is supposed to get. Usually when a sad scene is happening, things are dark, gloomy, typically raining. When Mike and El broke up, the scene was bright, almost comical. Mike was annoyed, Max was amused, and El was angry. Then the scene ended. Versus Mike and Will's big fight where it's raining, dark, and the mood is somber. These feel like intentional choices. And if the Duffer Brothers are really this particular about colors and phrases, I only have one thing to say.
Blue meets Yellow in the west. Where is California? In the west. Mike and Will are both associated with blue and yellow. Case closed. Evidence presented. Season 5, don't let me down.
I totally agree!!! Tysm for sharing your thoughts!
I feel like the evidence is really piling up and (shipping Byler aside) I will actually be surprised if Mike and Will don’t get together in season 5.
Also yeah I totally forgot he immediately shuts down the idea of El lying because he truly believed El and Angela were friends.
This whole scene just felt so strange and off to me and with these theories and context it just make so much sense in my opinion
Also I love that they also (along with tender emotional music thing) put Mike and Will on Netflix banners just like the canon couples
Have a lovely day
I love your comments
@@MarshmallowSketches genuienly, like they're pushing it soooo hard.
"Its literally his birthday, get the poor boy a milkshake!" XD
But its so true😭 like literally . First, his bsf/bf gives him tap on the back after not seeing him for A YEAR. Then, he becomes Third Wheel to his Sister and bsf. And then after seeing them enjoying the day, having so much fun, skating happily while holding hands…..They Don’t Give The Man a $3 Milkshake😭
7:47 i just now realized this, and now im sad…. GIVE THE BOY HIS MILKSHAKE😭
FR! Justice for Will and his milkshake 😤
Poor Will. First, his bsf/bf gives him tap on the back after not seeing him for A YEAR. Then, he becomes Third Wheel to his Sister and bsf. And then after seeing them enjoying the day, having so much fun, skating happily while holding hands…..They Don’t Give The Man a $2 Milkshake😭💀😭😭🤚
" The week is long, the silver cat feeds, when blue meets yellow in the west, a trip to china sounds nice, if you tread lightly. "
lemme translate: 7 days, vecna's curse, when mike meets will in california, a date, secret relationship.
This is an interesting theory 🤔💭
i'd really like to add some stuff!
i think "a trip to china sounds nice, if you tread lightly" could also mean going to the upside down. when i saw your comment it for some reason reminded me of the phrase "digging a hole to china". it used to be (maybe still is) a common thought that the usa and china are on opposite sides of the world, though that's not true. here china could be a replacement for the upside down.
THAT reminded me of an analysis video from lesbianmindflayer (here's the video btw ruclips.net/video/eVLJuNuTKFo/видео.html), which theorized that in s5 we might see will and mike stuck in the upside down together.
that video also says that we might see mike and will relying on each other more, having intimate conversations and stuff like that. that could maybe be them rebuilding their relationship and becoming close like they used to, probably even coming to terms about their feelings for each other :> and that's why this "trip to china" would be in any way nice
that's it, i think. i hope i made sense :]
7:44 it was confirmed by Caleb that the cast made playlists for their characters in s5 and STurn is Finn's playlist for Mike, it has songs with lyrics like "besides i don't wanna be the one who's coming out first" which means Mike wants Will to come out first as gay before him because he's scared, and lyrics like "it's so easy to lie to myself and pretend that i could love you but i can't" which is about Mike's pov of mlvn, he can't love El because he's gay and it has a song about a milkshake and about how a relationship wasn't built to last (mlvn, they had milkshakes in s4) and in s5 Mike is wearing Will's shoes ( 1:10:22 ) which is a thing for couples and Will is wearing Mike's clothes, plus they made Will spell "lover" in the words game in a bts picture ( 1:10:48 ) because he's gonna have a lover (Mike) and a reliable leaker said that Will's love interest (boyfriend) is gonna be Mike, Will is definitely staying at Mike's which would be perfect for them as a couple
1:14:37 according to a leaker Mike's s5 arc: self-discovery (being gay) and not trying to be normal anymore (not trying to be straight anymore, El's s5 arc : self-discovery and familiar love (family) and Millie said that El is trying to find out who she is without Mike and her arc is about being independent
This is so interesting thank you for sharing !! Who are the reliable leakers you mention here ? I’d love to look into this more
“GET THE POOR BOY A MILKSHAKE!”
i burst out laughing
btw i js wanted to say i saw one of your videos and i watches all of the other ones. your a great person and i love your videos. thank you so much!
@@graciemae34 aw thank you so much! You are so sweet! Thanks for the support s’more
One thing you missed, is the music. For example, a song that plays when will and Mike are talking, is Tarzan Boy, a song about a gay man telling another gay man to embrace himself and just accept he is gay. And then it switches songs turing the fight as Mike is talking to a stranger things soundtrack song: "in the closet (at rink-o-manía)" and they could've done the song switch as it shows Eleven in the storage closet/employees only room, but no, it changed when Will and Mike were fighting.
THERES NO WAY WILL DOESNT LIKE MILKSHAKES
I love milkshakes! Will strikes me as a person who would love Oreo milkshakes 😁
I’m so thankful for you to point out that Mike is probably jealous of Angela, I didn’t pick up on that at first but that is what makes Mike’s whole “acting weird”- thing so much SENSE. I actually included that in my Byler story video I uploaded today. I love your analysis videos, please continue with them, I really enjoy them and you seems like such a smart and nice girl ♡
Thank you for the lovely comment 😁
I knew the moment I saw his reaction to Angela that something was up! This plus his behavior at the airport has me fully convinced he believed Angela was the girl Will “had a crush on”
11:40 wanted to add that the song here is literally called ‘In The Closet’ :)
I really want you to make a whole video just ranting about how will deserves to have a milkshake
I’m very tempted 🤔
😂 but fr we need to rally together and get William Byers a milkshake!!
@@MarshmallowSketches seriously!
I just found out Brielle quit, I hope she’s doing okay. Please remember to be kind, we all love this show, there’s no need to hate on other people for their opinions on a show and it’s characters.
Have a lovely day and remember that you are valid and loved and your opinions matter!
who is brielle? sorry if this is an annoying question
@@slvr174 it’s alright, it’s not an annoying question 😊
@/naturallybrielle used to make Byler analysis videos on tiktok. She quit due to the hate
@@MarshmallowSketches awww :(
I have already watched 3 of your videos in the last hour. I love your analyzing of these scenes. I recently just finished stranger things 4 and I am 100% Byler
Awww tysm your so kind
S5 needs to have one last fight between mike and will about the painting. When mike finds out El didn't ask for the painting and it was wills idea. And then later will admits it and comes out? I feel like that painting is so important it cant go unmentioned about the fact its not El that wanted it.
NO BECAUSE IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!
I still haven't watched your airport video (I'm on way to watch it literally rn), But I believe that the way Mike refused to give Will a proper hug just didn't make any sense to me. He casually hugs Dustin, Lucas and his other friends and then he meets his oldest bestfriend SINCE KINDERGARTEN, after A YEAR, and he just... refuses to hug him properly? like WHY? there is absolutely no sense in this unless the only rational reason that is the fact that he was, jealous, now that he thinks Will likes a girl. And he was acting super sappy around El as some kind of a petty revenge somehow?
BECAUSE he made it seem like El is all he sees but then in their argument he told Will that "You're rolling your eyes, and moping and barely saying anything and sabotaging the day" Which in fact means that Mike was pretending that he's mesmerized by El, when in fact he was paying attention to Will all the time, hence why he realizes Will's eye rolling and etc (which El didn't really noticed). I think this says a lot about them.
And I also found it funny that in season 1 that bully Troy was talking shit about Will and Mike felt so mad all of the sudden and he went and stood for Will and pushed Troy which made everyone shocked. But when El did the same to her bully, he acts like an angry chicken going: "wHAt diD yOu dO" lol you literally did that for Will before stop acting so shocked by it.
Love this take!!! And I do explain my angela thing a lil more in the airport video so lmk what you think of that full theory!
But yeah it’s so crazy to me, and it’s why I’m currently writing my script for a full queer-coding analysis going back to s1 for Mike because I feel like there’s so much more under the surface and I’m so curious about it because I feel like he’s more queer-coded than Will!
Tysm for sharing, have a lovely day
about Mike freaking out about El hitting Angela, there are some very big differences in the scenes you brought up which perfectly explains it. in s1, when Troy makes fun of Will being dead, Mike gets (rightfully) angry and pushes him to the floor, maybe he even gets ready to have a full on fight with him before El interrupted. that's a reasonable response, especially for a 12 year old. but in s4, when El hits Angela in the face with a skate... well first of all, Mike wasn't there to see that specific fight beforehand happen, he only saw the aftermath of it. he saw El get bullied on the rink, yes, and I don't think he would have freaked out if El had just slapped her or pushed her to the floor, but she literally grabs a blunt object and smashes it into her face. that could kill someone. Angela humiliated El, and El drew blood (in a way that made the injury look even more dramatic than it was, too). it's not strange that Mike is bewildered by it in the moment - it's shocking, Will is shocked too. and he probably worries for El as well because holy shit, that's assault, and El could get in trouble for that (which she did).
@@tova1412 I think you might have forgotten when El broke troy's arm and Mike called her a hero for it. how is breaking someone's arm so different from breaking someone's nose?
and okay. I can understand him freaking out because of how serious the situation was, but it is not justifying him being a bitch about it. as you said, El was the one mostly affected by what she's done and she was scared and upset. as her boyfriend, he had to be on her side, asking if she's alright? and comforting her instead of being sarcastic and passive aggressive about the whole situation. he made el feel worse than she was already feeling, he made her feel like a monster (her own words), and he made her feel very low of herself.
@@moonglitter7982 no, I haven't forgotten about that, but again, that situation was very very different. first of all, that arm she broke was holding a knife that had just been used to threaten both Mike and Dustin, and was in that very moment about to be used to threaten El herself, and breaking his arm was an (extreme, sure) way to make him drop the knife. but the dude had just put that knife against Dustin's throat and just tried to get Mike to kill himself, and would have succeeded if El hadn't shown up. that's a dangerous person looking to kill, not a bully looking for a laugh. on top of that, El was just 12 at the time and had been out the lab for just a few days and had used violence to protect herself over and over again at this point, partly because she needed to and partly because she didn't really know any other way, she can't exactly communicate with people very well. Mike called her a hero for saving his life, not for breaking Troy's arm.
and about Mike acting shitty toward El after the whole skate thing... I mean yeah, that's not what he should do at all, but I get where he's coming from just like I get where El was coming from when she did that, it's just a messed up situation. should Mike have been there for El? yes. but does he also have the right to be confused and bewildered and a little angry and act like a lot of other 15 year olds would have done in that situation? also yes, in my opinion at least, even if he should have kept those emotions under wraps. but this is Mike, his character has been very consistent in the fact that that's something he isn't very good at doing.
Also when Mike is looking at “Angela” he’s looking more to the side, at Angela’s male friend. When I first saw it he seemed to be flustered or shocked, and I was so confused about why it was Angela, but I rewatched it and he’s obviously looking at her male friend
Plus the men in the back drinking milkshakes, the song being about a gay man accepting the gay lifestyle, the normal
13:05 the Duffers remodeled rink o mania and changed the lights so yeah it was intentional and they also made rink o mania look like the gay bar from Dawson's Creek and made Mike parallel Jack (canon gay character who had a girlfriend and dated her to be "normal"
6:51 Maybe this scene is Will watching them. Even though we see the scenes immediately after, they don’t necessarily occur immediately. The second scene could be like half an hour or more later. It could just mean that at the end Will went away alone because he felt excluded. I agree the scene is weird but for me that is all what means.
And about the birthday that is a mistake of the Duffer Brothers, they forgot Will’s birthday.
yeah right it ciuldnt have been a mistake, the only date spoken aloud in the whole show (wills bday), just conveniently is the date they choose for the camera? uhuh..
@@nyx.5871 YES! Cause that’s what i thought, there are literally 364 other days they could’ve picked to put on the camera, and they “randomly” just chose March 22nd…. Coincidence!?🤨 I. think. Not!🫨
I absolutely love overanalyzing and byler so this is just amazing! I've been waiting for an analysis of this scene!
Over-analyzing characters and movies/shows makes me so happy! I love analyzing characters and studying their personalities and actions. I’m so glad I get to share this passion with you awesome s’mores
8:27 during this scene it looks like Angela’s boyfriend is checking out mike, and that may be why he was stumbling over his words and looked nervous but you never know!
Im sorry to hear you were bullied i hope your okay
Could you talk about how intentional the music choice is throughout the season? Specifically how the song "in the closet" plays during the rink o mania scene and starts only when the camera is focused on Mike bc that is super interesting to me
I would love to look into that!!! I’ll add this to my list
A song called "being different" also plays in the van scene when Will basically confesses his feelings
*spits out tea* omg, the lights! You are so right.
8:39 people think he was gawking at Angela’s guy friend
I do think I’ve heard this theory online before! I could see this making sense 🤔
YES YOU POSTED AGAINN !!
I’m not gonna lie this actually made my day 😭😁 tysm for watching and supporting
Hey! Just wanna say I loveee you all your analysis videos! You do a great job on them :)
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0:09 Me while having any conversation:
causeineedu and this analysis keeps me going tbh
these types of analysis's on tiktok really keep me going and help my mental health a lot. I am very thankful for my byler hyperfixation.
I now headcanon that will is lactose intolerant and that's why he didn't have a milkshake. us gays and our stomach issues are really out here resisting temptations
It's just editing multiple takes together in the rollerskating rink. Not every transition in the show is emotionally smooth, especially if a shot was removed in post.
I know I’m like SUPER.. late to this LOL- but anyways I didn’t notice all of this in the show- it’s almost like the duffers wanted us to be so focused on el and mikes relationship because it’s always been those two since season one, so they can (most likely) shock us when and IF byler becomes canon. There’s so many other clues in later on scenes like in volume 2, a lot with natural lighting which HAS to be on purpose because most of the times it was sunlight (the painting scene in the surfer boys pizza car)which natural sunlight doesn’t move like that💀 (if ur confused I’ll explain really quickly but if not that was the end of my yapping) Mike and will are in the van talking about el, and in the back of the truck is the logo. (Surfer *boys* pizza) the sun is coming from wills side (the left) and is reflecting a tiny on Mike. Whenever they discuss about mikes problems with el, no shadow appear. HOWEVER, when the painting is brought up and any mention about it or will, you’ll see next to Mike the shadow of the logo is present, and it says *boys* . Same thing when Mike is shows with the painting at his front angle, it only says *boys* . Now, this happens for quite a while but if you know how sunlight works, it doesn’t naturally move like that.. it could be a stretch but I guess we’ll have to find out in season 5🤷♀️
I love your analysis. I only have 1 suggestion: Stop apologizing! You back up your views very well. If a homophobe happens to object then 1. Then it's incumbent on them to say how you're wrong. My guess is they can't. 2. Oh well. 3. Why'd they click on the video?
Hetero shippers aren't apologizing, you shouldn't either!
Vomit green Mike's socks represent his jealousy. Mike insisted to mention this detail and watch Will instead of El.
13:00
When blue meets yellow in the west.. ;D
I love Blue meets Yellow in the west!!! Such a fun theory 😁
THIS IS SUCH A COINCIDENCE BECAUSE CALIFORNIA IS LITERALLY IN THE WEST
ur literally so pretty!!! i miss ur videos sm :(
Aw thank you so much for the kind words! I intend on returning soon, I hope you like my new content :)
8:32 i saw someone else online say that mike was looking at that other guy (and thats why he was nervous) which I totally agree with
Uh huh. Could be his attraction to boys (also the boy kinda looks Mike up and down?? 🤔)
You absolute big brain legend, really like the analysis
The duffers forgot that it was the date of his birthday
That last point on the lights was solid, but I'm still respectfully mileven
And I completely respect that
i’m sorry, but after everything will’s gone through- and considering the fact that el doesnt feel loved by mike, THEY JUST NEEEEEEEED TO END UP TOGETHER. YOU CANT TELL ME THEY ARENT MEANT TO BE
theres a 50/50 chance tbh
Give HiM tHe dAnG MIlkSAkE
He deserves his milkshake 😤😂🤣
This comment made my day lol 😂
@@MarshmallowSketches yours made my day but like why he not have a milk shake first he forgot his b day now they forget his milkshake like what is this😤
5:12 Well it is Stranger Things, and a LOT of things are strange😮
Hey! It's me again I just want to say again I love your byler analysis I 100% agree with your opinions and love you😊❤
aww tysm your very kind, have a lovely day
I have a theory that the friends don’t lie was for will when Lonnie was loving with them
Since we all know will doesn’t like have all the spoitlight. Idk :) thought it was sadly cute
I’m so sorry but I’m a little confused, could you elaborate? (if you want ofc)
@@MarshmallowSketches see how the main rule of the party is friends don’t lie
I think it could have been started when will was still living with Lonnie so if he showed up with like bruises he wouldn’t lie
About it because we all know will doesn’t like have too much attention focused on him
Idk I thought was kids cute
im about to comment like a month after the video was uploaded but whatever.
I also totally agree that will is an unreliable narrator. in the airport scene where Mike asked what was in wills hand, Will said a painting that he's been working on. If Mike realized that it was the painting from Els letter , the painting as El assumed was for Wills crush. El also says in the letter that she doesn't know what will was painting and assumed it was for his crush.
In the van scene when Will gives the painting to Mike, I was wondering what Mike was thinking. First of all if he had read El's letter, (which we saw him reading in his bed like a day before going to california) , wouldn't he have thought that it was for Wills crush, and if Will was giving it to him, wouldn't that mean that he was Will's crush? In this scene Mike doesn't look like he knows that. Its the fact that Mike doesn't even bat an eye when Will says that El commissioned the painting which was a total lie, and even jonathan sees through Wills lies when he looks at Will in the rear view mirror. Either Mike forgot that El wrote this, or he does know, or in Wills point of view, he never knew.
Basically what I mean is , will doesn't know El wrote that letter, and lied about El telling him what to draw. (how could El have commissioned it if she didnt know what he was painting?) and Mike thinks its for Wills crush. And El wrote the letter, not knowing what he was painting, or who he was painting it for.
Since Will lies about this, it totally goes against his own rule that friends don't lie. How could Will be mad that El was lying to Mike, but then go on to lie to Mike later?
This is only my opinion, but I honestly do not feel that Will lied to Mike on purpose, mostly because he doesn't know that El wrote to Mike about the painting in the letters. He is very scared that Mike will reject him and maybe even stop being his friend if he tells him how he really feels (remembering what he told Mike sitting on the car while they were digging), I think that was one main reason but the other is he was genuinely trying to give Mike hope about El, telling him that she will always need him. Will loves both of them very much and yes his speech was about himself but I do feel it was also about her too, I really feel he was sacrificing his own feelings for Mike because he wants Mike to be happy as well as El.
What do you think about possible queer coding between Dustin and Eddie? Season 4 Episode 8 @ 1:02:15 to 1:03:07 and Season 4 Episode 9 @ 1:42:27 to 1:44:10?
But Dustin is too young for Eddie :/
Eddie's like 20..
11:23 finally some who noticed, I thought I was the only one
Even if it’s unintentional, it’s very funny 🤣
This is nothing about the videos but I love your room!
Thank you so much!!! I’m redecorating soon 😁
I love your videos!❤
Tysm for the support
Y’all where the heck is wills milkshake >:(
Fr get my boy a milkshake 😭
Can you analyse wills Hiding in castle Byers & smashing it , if you haven't already done anything similar
Definitely adding this to the list !!!
1:54 I thought it said “Genitals” for a hot second 😭
NOPE AND THE FACT THAT WHEN THE BYLER FIGHT SCENE HAPPENS IN RINK O MANIA THE SONG IN THE CLOSET PLAYS🤔🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
2:01 *rolls eyes in gay*
10:53 The girl in the background her outfit is like the bi flag
BYLER SHIPPER TILL THE END! but i also want to point out that mike knew will was gay (we know this after the “it’s not my fault you don’t like girls” scene) so i don’t think mike would be scared that will had a crush on Angela. ALTHOUGH in the letter El sent mike, when talking about the painting she says “perhaps it is for a girl”. will then proceeds to take the painting to the airport but not give it to mike. then they went straight from the airport to rink-o-mania so will wouldn’t have had time to drop the painting at home. then they meet angela and mike might have been scared that the painting was for her?🤔 we knew that the painting was for mike but he didn’t. idrk but maybe that ties in with your comment quite nicely?
were is the season 4 analysis?😔
And also I’m stranger things we know that Mikes collier is blue and wills colour is yellow and in heart stopper Nikes colour is blue and Charlie’s colour is yellow and also in heartstopper Nike is bi and Charlie is gay as in Mike is bi and Will is gay!
ur so smart
No captions? 🥺
@@mailyak442 oh dear I apologize! I’m not actually sure how to add captions, I sincerely apologize, I’ll look into it.
@@MarshmallowSketches it’s okay!! It’s just that all your other videos had them - maybe I didn’t choose the right setting or something cos usually there’s at least an auto-generated option?
Girl you do not deserve to be bullied you are amazing so f u bullys