Definitely agree with Simon's analysis, this new aero bike will appeal to many more so than a traditional aero bike, something you could ride hills or TT etc. Great for everything, I like the newer look, modern and clean, less conspicuous.
Hi GCN team, love all the content... you ride it some great locations. It’s always interesting to know where if you could include a graphic into the videos or a gps route in the comments please. Thanks
That is a beautiful machine. Aero used to mean “uncomfortable” and light used to mean “climbing” bike. If this is really an aero all rounder that would be great. Like a Venge you can ride all day? I really like the aesthetic of internal cabling but function needs to win over form. When I built my Allez Sprint with cables that looked tight and awesome but I had limited handlebar range of motion I considered it a failure and re did it.
Si: "The Areobike is dead, long live the roadbike" This quote coming right off the heels of a video where Si beats two roadies on a TT bike which is in reality the ultimate Aero bike!
f*** reason when you're paid to promote? 😂 The two roadies vs TT was at least kinda fun. Though one can't help but wonder if Si would actually really beat them or did they lose on purpose just so they could market the TT bike better...
I like it. The fact that you can adjust the width on your bars is the new game changer. ? Stuck with 43 on my new propel, but need just 2cm more narrow. I may need a second mortgage to pay for the new set-up
It's a nice bike, with a lot of technology in & behind it... But what I did notice on those CFR models is how "un-crisp" the paint transition is between the black & champagne sparkle. Ragged edges. It's a bit of a cosmetic letdown, especially at that pricepoint. Also rather boring colour-schemes across the entire 2021 range, and a paint-scheme directly derived from the Trek Madone (and Cannondale as well) with the slanted headtube transition, going away from their own style which was instantly recognisable tbh. If Canyon has the guts to bring out a magenta pink CF SLX Inflite to go with their wasp-yellow one, then why do all the roadbikes have to be as inconspicuous and boring as can be in terms of colours? TLDR: love the frames, love the technology, don't like the finish.
I was surprised to see it myself too on this level. My ultimate has a top of top tube of a different color than the rest of the frame and there is such a terrible transition that you can almost cut your hand on it. Already made a bit of damage to my bibs when riding aero. I originally thought they forgot to put a lack on that part and made a warranty claim but they told me it is a feature ... :D
I completely agree. I have the previous version of this bike in a SL version, and I absolutely love it. But been totally honest, I was a bit let down by the finish, and until I read this, I thought it was just a quality issue with my own bike; but sounds like they're all the same. But then again, I mount on it and totally forget about it, and just enjoy the ride. I'd still buy it again.
Fuck it, I'll take Canyon paid promotion all day long. They're one of the very few direct-to-consumer manufacturers and they give the same performance for thousands less, and as a cyclist I think that's what we need to see. I'm personally riding a Cannondale and my LBS buying experience was kinda crappy, I'll definitely be moving to Canyon for my next purchase.
@@Thiiryon yes and no. If you’re not ridding perfect tarmac like he does maybe theres an issue. Or the slight flex is there because the frame is so stiff. I don’t know. What is bothering me is the diference in width on the weels. Why 17 and 20? Is there any disadvantage in equal wheels and just change the tyre?
What is the watt saving when riding at 32kph ? I'm generally only achieving 45 when going downhill. Is there a benefit to aero when riding at a normal amateur speed of 20mph? If there isn't, may as well keep the 5k.
This is a great video GCN, very very well made The location, the colors, the bike,Simon Richardson and his smile :) with lovely jersey .... excellent one
Thanks GCN for the great and fun reviews! Even years later, still looking to buy this bike. Coming from Specialized (tarmac sl6) I think the steps up the ladder are too steep in the Specialized brand. The next step for me would then be around €6K. And this Canyon would be around €5K, with Electric shifting and a Power meter which I would really like to see in my next bike. I think now Canyon offers much better Price -> Product ratio than specialized.
The best thing about Aero Bike is it was multipurpose ... You can used it as TT Bike as well by just changing it's handlebar to TT cockpit. .. I used to have Giant Propel Aero Bike and it's works perfectly as TT Bike when I change to TT cockpit ... I play Triathlon with it several times including Ironman 👍👍👍
#GCN I think the most story here is the change in geometry. I have a 2018 Aeroad and have resisted the pressure to slam the stem to be in a "Race/Aero" position. I kept my bars at the top of the chimney and now feel validated that Canyon made the same change back to a more comfortable position. Trends will always be a part of bike marketing I suppose.
Yeah same, it took me two years to get used to the two spacer position (big one and small one) though it should be added I'm a size smaller frame than suggested for my weight. It is quite frankly ludicrous how low you can get on an Aeroad and completely excessive.
In my opinion, drop bar manufacturers should move on from the old 40-42-44 cm standard sizing to ~38-40-42 cm sizing to suit people's actual spacing between their shoulder joints and not apply some arbitrary +2 cm rule.
I've ALWAYS been anti road bikes and ridden dh and jumps. BUT I've just watched a 17 minute area video. I didn't even know areo was a thing. I now really really want that bike 🥰😍
OK check this out: the 7 watt saving is WITHOUT RIDER in a windtunnel. And as the cables are now fully internal versus external, which saves some watts ... did the frame itself actually get any faster? ....
Good question. In fact the savings are just 5 watts with the rider. Hidden cables saves about 2 watts typically. So the other 3 watts would come from the frame itself. Mainly the deeper seat tube/ seatpost and better shielded bottles. Not surprising as the seatpost are partly in the huge wake generated by the cylindrical legs of rider. However 5w is enough to match (or slightly beat) the System six which is considered the most aerodynamic bike currently.
Bicycle companies are doing their wind tunnel testing wrong anyway. Unless the bike is intended for indoor use only. Hambini has an excellent video that explains in detail why.
The thing is that is also weights more than the previous bike (correct me when I’m Rong) and I think that isnt even calculated into the wats in the windtunnel
Full chopper means you could flip up the bars and mount a banana seat and sissy bar. And I grin and say this is Si at the top of his game, nobody does this better. And those adjustable bars are brilliant, same with the stem. And the whole everything about this bike is pretty amazing.
Well, it would be very interesting head to head comparisons, challenge, time trial from GCN, with other mixed aero bikes, like the the new Tarmac or Emonda.
Everybody keeps glossing over the handlebars that are essentially in three pieces. There is no way they can be as good at damping vibrations/feel as solid as a traditional handlebar. It feels like a solution to a Canyon problem (shipping) not a consumer one.
You are probably right, that solving the shipping-challenge of an integrated cockpit was high priority for Canyon. But it's also beneficial for every buyer who wants to travel with his bike.. which for such high-priced bikes is not unlikely to go to training-camp. On the other hand - there is rumor a one piece integrated cockpit is coming as alternative for those willing to invest the extra effort and money to further customize their bike for probably weight-saving and accept the tradeoff in transport-flexibility.
Hi, I think it is a consumer problem as well. Integrated cockpits are a mess to travel or adjust or recable. And I hope that you are not right in that it is worse than a one piece cokcpit. But time will tell.
@@big_icky Because is introduces the need for a tolerance clearance that wasn't previously there. Where the handlebars slide within the main section there has to be a gap no matter how tight the fit. I suspect (I could very much be wrong) that the bars will have a degree of vertical travel that would not otherwise be there. This will also be worse the wider the setting you have the handlebars at.
Josh Williams I was wondering the same thing...would there be a flex issue when sprinting or grinding up a tough climb? I do like the width adjustability, but as with everything, there is a trade-off.
Most likely weight bragging rights. They would much rather have a bike that just matches the Cannondale in aero but beats it firmly in weight and comfort. Than one that beats the cannondale in aero but weigh the same.
All of these new “hybrid” aero/light race bikes are super stiff and more twitchy. Unless you are racing or are surrounded by the smoothest tarmac on earth, none of the watts savings matter if your body is exhausted from road vibration after 25 miles. I have an Ultimate CF SLX 9.0 and maybe the Tour data says that I’m losing ~2 minutes over 3 hours, but if you told me you’d swap the new Aeroad for free I’ll pass. I’m faster when I’m comfortable and enjoying my ride.
The fact it took until 2020 to be able to adjust a part of a bike without literally cutting it seems ridiculous. Maybe it’s a radical idea for those already in the sport but to me, someone who just got into it in August, it seemed silly to need hardware to make something work. Kudos to Canyon for making yet another gorgeous bike. The handlebars being adjustable is another thing I’m surprised only just now became a “thing”. Kudos again for trying something new. That all being said, please take my money!
That stem adjustment height is not really a new idea. You could do the same with quill stems, which were the norm until threadless headsets took over (in the 90s I guess). Old is the new new!
Marketing : "after 4 intense years of CFD they saved a wopping 11 Watts and just had to shed 4 of them to get a great bike" Reality : "after 4 years of CFD they merley saved 11 watts and had to sacrifice a third of that gain to make de bike handeling correctly"
I think they made it lighter too? For those for whom buying this bike is an option, I suspect it matters. The cockpit adjustability is also pretty neat. This bike isn't an option for me, but it still looks and sounds like a great bike
7,4kg total weight for the lightest CFR-model with top of the range components+wheels is surprisingly high. My 3 year old Aeroad CF SLX mechanical rim-brake frameset with only mid-range components+wheels has the same weight, everything included..
The Aero bike is indeed dying out. However it's been seen before. My 2013 BH GH6 was an aerobike at a mere 6.78 kg with Zipp202 Tubular and Rotor InPower crank. However it lacked a lot of stiffness. So creaping from all three sides - aero, lightmess and stiffness - it's finally coming together for the perfect road bike - something I've waited on for years!
I reacon we'll have road bikes (now known as endurance) and race bikes which mix the lightweight and aero categories. How each company approaches it might vary a little, but they will be very similar as the current rules limit options. Unlike gravel bikes where there are no rules and so masses of variation.
You're right, these bike reviews on GCN pretty much always tend to be. To be fair though, in this case Si has owned an Aeroad for years and is a long-time Canyon customer. I think that lends some credibility and understanding to his enthusiasm.
Got to give them credit for the height adjustment at the stem, time comes to sell it and you don't have to hope the guy who buys it is as flexible as you
The most obvious example being flung around is the Venge being outclassed by the Tarmac. The tarmac being far more versatile I do believe it will highly influence a shift in the market. However Aero bikes were never for everybody to begin with, and I doubt those who swore by Aero in the firstplace will be in any rush to give in. I believe we're coming into the all rounder range of bikes, comfortable geometry, wider tyre clearances, disk only framesets and various tiers of components to choose from, for lightweight, endurance or aero builds alike.
I have a question concerning the bars. Due to the possibility, to take them off for transportation, might it be possible to detach them and put on a integrated aerobar handle, if canyon would produce a fitting one? This would be awesome for triathletes, who want one bike for roadbiking and competitions. I know there used to be clip-ons for the old aeroad bars from canyon, but this would be a smoother solution in my opinion.
If you bought the rim brake, Ultegra mechanical version of the previous gen Aerode it weighted in at 6.5kg. This was the lightest weight version of the bike and sold for $3,200. Now they force disc brakes on everyone and remark over how they cut the weight of the bike down to 6.7kg lol.
I love that you shoot your videos in 21:9, but could you kindly upload at that resolution as well? This way I wouldn't get black frames at all four sides of my screen...
Dear GCN, i would love to see a video of comparison between Canyon Aeroad CFR vs Orbea Orca Aero since both bike are featured quite a lot in your channel. I am also indecisive of which to buy. Orbea orca aero offers top range frame from the brand where Aeroad CFR is a very neat bike at a high price. Both are nice bike.
Is this some sort of pre-production finish? The ridges between the logo and paintwork seem like the sort of bodge job I'd do if I tried to paint a bike myself. Maybe it's just missing a layer of lacquer, but it all looks a bit rough and ready
I was thinking that really poor paint quality - I suspect it is a pre production though as on the website some colours have canyon logos on the handlebars and seat post whereas others don't so I think this silvery one has been doing the rounds as a prototype.
@@joshwilliams6849 Maybe, yeah. You'd think they'd want a top-notch looking bike in all the promo videos though, rather than giving people the impression they will spend £8k to get an amateur paint job
I want to know how much of Canyons budget goes to advertising on all these cycling channels? When you try to talk to their customer service you get the impression you’re taking to a two man operation, but they have the marketing presence of a multinational.
Richard Boyd Would be nice to review a greater proportion of affordable, below 1k bikes, perhaps their demographic are just richer. This channel doesn’t really sell the argument that cycling is for everyone, they say it and have a few vids but overwhelmingly it’s 3k+ bikes that get the most time.
43bikeguy for the same reason top gear reviews the latest ferraris, lambo, porches etc week in week out, people aren’t gonna tune in to see them review the latest ford mondeo are they.
@@jreddin4488 Poor analogy. Not everybody can afford Porsche, Lambos etc, but almost everyone can get into cycling. This channel does a poor job at demonstrating that.
I guess with this bike and the Specialized Tarmac SL7 we are seeing a trend tp consolidation of the aero and light weight climbing bike into a single all around road bike. It could probably be expected. There never was a reason an aero bike had to be significantly heavier than the UCI limit. Not long from now the endurance bike will blend into the gravel road bike. Right now the only real difference between the Specialized Roubaix and the Specialized Diverge is tire clearance. It is always good to reduce niche lines if you are trying to make money manufacturing bicycles.
wow. That bike looks stunning. 915 grams? That's crazy light for an aero bike. I am shocked. Comfort is not that great on aero bikes due to the stiffness of the frame but fours year in the making might have improved that as well!!!
As much as I love the look of that bike I see some things that could potentially ruin someone's day... The first would be the inability to turn the bars fully, thats gonna be an expensive fix once you crash as not only will you need to change the frame if it cracks but you will need to change the frame the mechanism and the bars. Second of all the adjustability of the bars while a clever idea could also potentially be disasterous, overtighten the bolt or undertighten and boom those bad boys are comming straight off. And that seat post...how does that affect seat adjustability? Does it need to be sawn off or do you need to get a different size one to fit your frame? For anyone reading, I love all bikes and I love new tech as much as anyone I just think that some of these features could cause a lot of damage and problems in the long run for the average consumer.
Funny you mention the potential issue with the extra bolts on the handlebars. I was talking with a Canyon service rep last week (for a completely different issue) and he said he was absolutely dreading all the inventible service calls he was going to get from torque-happy customers on that part.
@@tylersmith2085 Well I sure hope someone picks uo that phone....Because I called it! Jokes aside It just doesn't seem safe to have 2 bolts on each side holding up a heavy rider and/or witstanding the cranking in a full out sprint, thanks for some industry insight, cheers!
Based on the weight I would say aero bike. Canyon will also update the ultimate which is a statement from Canyon that its not a bike for the mountains. I think it's going to be what the Madone is to Trek. If it wasn't just an aero road bike and was truly the 'ultimate I think they wouldn't have updated the aeroad and just done the ultimate just like specialised chose to end the production of the venge.
So they took the Pinarello approach. Turn an aero bike into an all arounder vs the big 3 who all decided to make their lightweight bikes (TCR, Tarmac, Emonda) more aero for 2021. Though I would assume to get the full benefit of the areo you still have to slam the stem and give up the ~not destroy your lower back~ riding position. Though this could be an interesting 1 bike solution for amateur racers by just changing the wheels and cockpit to suit either climbing or aero.
Expertise in direct sale model, x years of development, you can change width of your handlebars but you are not able to order bike that cost 5000€ with stem length that you need :) That's good that at least bike size is still there :)
I think it is even more than that, the 3 diff. bikes will slowly merge back into 1 : Aero Road bike with enough compliance to be able to ride 200+ Kms without any discomfort at all. But we'll first see the lightweight and aero merge, like this bike, than in a couple of years the next one will be merged in too.
Great review. Now that aero bikes are light (all market perception as they gap was only 300-500grs between aero and climber), th de dones are all the bikes that are not aero!!
So....most of the mods to save weight and make shipping easier , compromise durability , stiffness ETC..... The one piece bar stem is then ...actually 3 pieces with removable / adjustable width bars ... The adjustability feature is BRILLIANT...yet ..has to effect the stiffness..and potential areas that will break ..fail over time ... 7 watts saved over 45 kph ...REALLY !!💥💥😎
QUick question. How much faith would you have after an off that the bars or more correctly the steerer tube /stem would be safe to ride home. We've all seen bars bounce around off the road quite scarily and with 87deg only i'd fear it may damage the tube.
I love Canyon and want this bike but: why is the UK nominal price more than the Euro (even the US is cheaper including sales tax); why is it sold with 2020 wheels which have already been replaced (if its not shipping until Jan anyway, so why not list with the new DT Swiss wheels?); the overall price of the Red AXS version is now nearly £2k more than the old model; and despite the hype, the overall weight of the AXS model at 7.37kg is basically the same. Plus ca change?
Armadillito still worth more than parity and vat rates roughly the same. And, regardless, rates haven’t really changed when It was cheaper in U.K. More to do with cheeky prebrexit pricing for potential tariffs that dont even exist yet. Which may point to a price cut in Jan. best to hold fire on those orders!
Last time I was this early matt was still here... I miss him
I still don't know what happened to him someone tell me plz
He goes to sigma sports for a new job
He's currently at the Giro as a commentator. Flobike coverage in the US.
Matt from Carwow?
@@johnora3857 no, but that would be one hell of a crossover. Video on best cars for cyclists? Sponsored by skoda probably.
Definitely agree with Simon's analysis, this new aero bike will appeal to many more so than a traditional aero bike, something you could ride hills or TT etc. Great for everything, I like the newer look, modern and clean, less conspicuous.
This is an aero bike......
The best thing about the bike is the self-destructing of the seat post from the factory :)
Or is it the handlebars?🙈🙈
@@OFFSHOREDOUG both
@Rodrigo Lawrence bot
Both!
Appreciate how they didn’t use a normal bike stand but a simple wooden stick they probably found on the street to present the Aeroad - see 0:12
You are completely wrong, that is the aerostick 9.0, and a lot of time went into engineering that.
Using random wooden sticks as bike stands is a part of cycling legacy.
I’m using my helmet as a bike stand 🤔
ali afan that’s cool but please don’t use a stick as a helmet :-)
@@RobBelanger so hilarious man
Every time I hear "Canyon Aeroad" I hear "Canyonaro" ala the simpsons
Plot twist...the guys who designed the bike ARE Simpsons fans
unexplained fires are for the courts to explain!
That bike smells like a steak and seats 35 ... yee-haw
Still can’t believe Homers car wasn’t a best seller
:D :D so true
Hi GCN team, love all the content... you ride it some great locations. It’s always interesting to know where if you could include a graphic into the videos or a gps route in the comments please. Thanks
This was filmed around Cheddar Gorge.
They film a lot in the South West of England as that’s where they are based. Most of the footage in this video was Cheddar Gorge.
@@floydie9255 Adding to my want to ride there list.
That is a beautiful machine. Aero used to mean “uncomfortable” and light used to mean “climbing” bike. If this is really an aero all rounder that would be great. Like a Venge you can ride all day? I really like the aesthetic of internal cabling but function needs to win over form. When I built my Allez Sprint with cables that looked tight and awesome but I had limited handlebar range of motion I considered it a failure and re did it.
You guys are just having some good fun in this stupid lockdown good job mates keep these vids coming
I have the Canyon Endurance and I love it!
6:43, my heart is racing after see this di2 cable stretched
oh yeh well spotted
Oh yuck that cable
shorter cable = less weight
Si: "The Areobike is dead, long live the roadbike"
This quote coming right off the heels of a video where Si beats two roadies on a TT bike which is in reality the ultimate Aero bike!
he's talking about UCI compliant bikes, TT bikes are fun until you realise you cant take them to most cycling events
@@KekusMagnus dont let the truth get in the way of a good story... ;)
f*** reason when you're paid to promote? 😂 The two roadies vs TT was at least kinda fun. Though one can't help but wonder if Si would actually really beat them or did they lose on purpose just so they could market the TT bike better...
I've yet to watch this vid - where was the spoiler alert? ;)
@@nicholassmith831 sorry man. Kind of assumed that everyone was up to date. Wont happen again... :)
I like it. The fact that you can adjust the width on your bars is the new game changer. ? Stuck with 43 on my new propel, but need just 2cm more narrow. I may need a second mortgage to pay for the new set-up
It's a nice bike, with a lot of technology in & behind it... But what I did notice on those CFR models is how "un-crisp" the paint transition is between the black & champagne sparkle. Ragged edges. It's a bit of a cosmetic letdown, especially at that pricepoint. Also rather boring colour-schemes across the entire 2021 range, and a paint-scheme directly derived from the Trek Madone (and Cannondale as well) with the slanted headtube transition, going away from their own style which was instantly recognisable tbh. If Canyon has the guts to bring out a magenta pink CF SLX Inflite to go with their wasp-yellow one, then why do all the roadbikes have to be as inconspicuous and boring as can be in terms of colours?
TLDR: love the frames, love the technology, don't like the finish.
I was surprised to see it myself too on this level. My ultimate has a top of top tube of a different color than the rest of the frame and there is such a terrible transition that you can almost cut your hand on it. Already made a bit of damage to my bibs when riding aero. I originally thought they forgot to put a lack on that part and made a warranty claim but they told me it is a feature ... :D
I completely agree. I have the previous version of this bike in a SL version, and I absolutely love it. But been totally honest, I was a bit let down by the finish, and until I read this, I thought it was just a quality issue with my own bike; but sounds like they're all the same. But then again, I mount on it and totally forget about it, and just enjoy the ride. I'd still buy it again.
Mine is a whIte frame with a sticker for the black part on top
The secret is in the “Paid Promotion” disclaimer.
Fuck it, I'll take Canyon paid promotion all day long. They're one of the very few direct-to-consumer manufacturers and they give the same performance for thousands less, and as a cyclist I think that's what we need to see. I'm personally riding a Cannondale and my LBS buying experience was kinda crappy, I'll definitely be moving to Canyon for my next purchase.
@@krazed9918 Bargain prices too since its cheaper for direct to consumer ........
@@krazed9918Canyon is no cheaper than big brands like Giant or Merida, that both manage to be in physical stores.
@@krazed9918 I did just that. bike is on the way. excited!
Nonsense
Hey CGN, other channels reported flex in the cockpit. What’s your opinion on that? Does it flex? If yes, does it flex always or just when stretched?
Surely you don't think you'll get an honest reply, do you?
@@MrFornicater ruclips.net/video/1gX813FhJEw/видео.html is it the same cockpit here? If it is, it doesn't appear to have any issue.
I don't know, it doesn't seem to bother Mathieu Van der Poel, or he wouldn't be using it. If it's stiff enough for him, it's stiff enough for me.
@@Thiiryon yes and no. If you’re not ridding perfect tarmac like he does maybe theres an issue. Or the slight flex is there because the frame is so stiff. I don’t know. What is bothering me is the diference in width on the weels. Why 17 and 20? Is there any disadvantage in equal wheels and just change the tyre?
@@Thiiryon it now bothers him. quite a lot.
You can tell it's good because they pay so much to advertise it.
I'm getting a bit sick of all the paid promotion now.. I'm realistic but seems to be every third video at the moment!
Canyon produces great Bikes und spend large amounts of money for Marketing, but regarding costumer Support (in germany) they suck so much.
@@bengarside79 Yeah, but such is media these days. I mean we are on here watching for free, so..
It is too much, I just don't find canyon's at all compelling, they kind of seem desperate and they're trying too hard
@@dsdf_fdp1858 just leave, bye
What is the watt saving when riding at 32kph ? I'm generally only achieving 45 when going downhill. Is there a benefit to aero when riding at a normal amateur speed of 20mph? If there isn't, may as well keep the 5k.
get those 5k and travel with your bike it'll be more fun
Yea and how much of those savings will i retain when im drafting like a tortoise behind my mates?
This is a great video GCN, very very well made
The location, the colors, the bike,Simon Richardson and his smile :) with lovely jersey .... excellent one
Thanks GCN for the great and fun reviews! Even years later, still looking to buy this bike. Coming from Specialized (tarmac sl6) I think the steps up the ladder are too steep in the Specialized brand. The next step for me would then be around €6K. And this Canyon would be around €5K, with Electric shifting and a Power meter which I would really like to see in my next bike. I think now Canyon offers much better Price -> Product ratio than specialized.
The best thing about Aero Bike is it was multipurpose ...
You can used it as TT Bike as well by just changing it's handlebar to TT cockpit. ..
I used to have Giant Propel Aero Bike and it's works perfectly as TT Bike when I change to TT cockpit ... I play Triathlon with it several times including Ironman 👍👍👍
That cockpit adjustability is just brilliant! as a person who is not completely satisfied with my carbon stem/bar, this looks a great selling point
until it utterly fails.
Sweet edit. I love that they have the whole line and good packaging/price points.
#GCN I think the most story here is the change in geometry. I have a 2018 Aeroad and have resisted the pressure to slam the stem to be in a "Race/Aero" position. I kept my bars at the top of the chimney and now feel validated that Canyon made the same change back to a more comfortable position. Trends will always be a part of bike marketing I suppose.
Yeah same, it took me two years to get used to the two spacer position (big one and small one) though it should be added I'm a size smaller frame than suggested for my weight. It is quite frankly ludicrous how low you can get on an Aeroad and completely excessive.
"Mullet tires, business up front, party at the back" Love the mountain bike reference!!
"43 cm for the full chopper expirience" heard that, looked at 76 cm bars on my MTB, giggled and was well entertained.
My road bike even came with 44cm bars out of the factory. Si must be on something.
In my opinion, drop bar manufacturers should move on from the old 40-42-44 cm standard sizing to ~38-40-42 cm sizing to suit people's actual spacing between their shoulder joints and not apply some arbitrary +2 cm rule.
So if 43cm is chopper bars, what does that make the 78cm bars on my MTB haha
The plus tire bike I ride around on daily is currently (and will probably stay) 80cm. Its way too awkward getting on a tiny roadie bike anymore
@@cjohnson3836 and the reverse is true as well, riding a super slow mtb like that on anything but trails is a miserable experience
Tell you what: that first Gen Aeroad at 1:16 is SMOKING HOT 🔥
Best looking design they’ve produced
I've ALWAYS been anti road bikes and ridden dh and jumps. BUT I've just watched a 17 minute area video. I didn't even know areo was a thing. I now really really want that bike 🥰😍
Once again, an absolutely brilliant video. Great job Si!
OK check this out: the 7 watt saving is WITHOUT RIDER in a windtunnel. And as the cables are now fully internal versus external, which saves some watts ... did the frame itself actually get any faster? ....
Good question. In fact the savings are just 5 watts with the rider. Hidden cables saves about 2 watts typically. So the other 3 watts would come from the frame itself. Mainly the deeper seat tube/ seatpost and better shielded bottles. Not surprising as the seatpost are partly in the huge wake generated by the cylindrical legs of rider. However 5w is enough to match (or slightly beat) the System six which is considered the most aerodynamic bike currently.
Bicycle companies are doing their wind tunnel testing wrong anyway. Unless the bike is intended for indoor use only. Hambini has an excellent video that explains in detail why.
The thing is that is also weights more than the previous bike (correct me when I’m Rong) and I think that isnt even calculated into the wats in the windtunnel
Presta chuck Hambini got exposed for faking wind tunnel data on slowtwitch forum
@@dafj5618 That's interesting. How did they know he faked?
That handlebar width adjustment is incredible. I hope the durability proves out
Full chopper means you could flip up the bars and mount a banana seat and sissy bar. And I grin and say this is Si at the top of his game, nobody does this better. And those adjustable bars are brilliant, same with the stem. And the whole everything about this bike is pretty amazing.
Well, it would be very interesting head to head comparisons, challenge, time trial from GCN, with other mixed aero bikes, like the the new Tarmac or Emonda.
I want gcn to do "new aeroad vs old aeroad" video soon
I've noticed that road have had some major developments regarding comfort. How comfortable did you find the ride compared to an endurance bike?
Everybody keeps glossing over the handlebars that are essentially in three pieces. There is no way they can be as good at damping vibrations/feel as solid as a traditional handlebar. It feels like a solution to a Canyon problem (shipping) not a consumer one.
You are probably right, that solving the shipping-challenge of an integrated cockpit was high priority for Canyon. But it's also beneficial for every buyer who wants to travel with his bike.. which for such high-priced bikes is not unlikely to go to training-camp.
On the other hand - there is rumor a one piece integrated cockpit is coming as alternative for those willing to invest the extra effort and money to further customize their bike for probably weight-saving and accept the tradeoff in transport-flexibility.
Hi, I think it is a consumer problem as well. Integrated cockpits are a mess to travel or adjust or recable. And I hope that you are not right in that it is worse than a one piece cokcpit. But time will tell.
Why would segmentation translate to worse damping of vibration?
@@big_icky Because is introduces the need for a tolerance clearance that wasn't previously there. Where the handlebars slide within the main section there has to be a gap no matter how tight the fit. I suspect (I could very much be wrong) that the bars will have a degree of vertical travel that would not otherwise be there. This will also be worse the wider the setting you have the handlebars at.
Josh Williams I was wondering the same thing...would there be a flex issue when sprinting or grinding up a tough climb? I do like the width adjustability, but as with everything, there is a trade-off.
So they saved like, 2 watts per year of development?
and why would they go back from 11 watts saved to 7 watts?
@@carlocossham1450 Handling or feel was probably worse and not worth the extra watts.
@@andriegilsson6623 yeah maybe they removed too much material from the frame
@@carlocossham1450 the canyon guys explain that in the gcn/canyon aeroad launch video
Most likely weight bragging rights. They would much rather have a bike that just matches the Cannondale in aero but beats it firmly in weight and comfort. Than one that beats the cannondale in aero but weigh the same.
All of these new “hybrid” aero/light race bikes are super stiff and more twitchy. Unless you are racing or are surrounded by the smoothest tarmac on earth, none of the watts savings matter if your body is exhausted from road vibration after 25 miles. I have an Ultimate CF SLX 9.0 and maybe the Tour data says that I’m losing ~2 minutes over 3 hours, but if you told me you’d swap the new Aeroad for free I’ll pass. I’m faster when I’m comfortable and enjoying my ride.
The fact it took until 2020 to be able to adjust a part of a bike without literally cutting it seems ridiculous. Maybe it’s a radical idea for those already in the sport but to me, someone who just got into it in August, it seemed silly to need hardware to make something work.
Kudos to Canyon for making yet another gorgeous bike. The handlebars being adjustable is another thing I’m surprised only just now became a “thing”. Kudos again for trying something new.
That all being said, please take my money!
That stem adjustment height is not really a new idea. You could do the same with quill stems, which were the norm until threadless headsets took over (in the 90s I guess). Old is the new new!
Interesting was torn between canyon and giant. Pulled the trigger on the 2021 giant tcr advanced pro 0. Think I made the right call.
For sure
Excellent review and approach- well done sir
Did I just get an alert from GCN for a 15 minute commercial?
Marketing : "after 4 intense years of CFD they saved a wopping 11 Watts and just had to shed 4 of them to get a great bike"
Reality : "after 4 years of CFD they merley saved 11 watts and had to sacrifice a third of that gain to make de bike handeling correctly"
I think they made it lighter too? For those for whom buying this bike is an option, I suspect it matters. The cockpit adjustability is also pretty neat. This bike isn't an option for me, but it still looks and sounds like a great bike
I mean if you look at the top top end you cant really go much better
@@gthack371 the cockpit didn't aged well XD
@@simonrano8072 oh dear, what did I miss? Not been keeping up with the cycling news recently...
@@gthack371 MVDP handlebar snapped during a race earlier this season, Canyon advised all users to stop riding their bike until further notice.
I’d take the steel frame used for the wind tunnel testing thanks. Loved my Aeroad for calm summer days.... but not much more
7,4kg total weight for the lightest CFR-model with top of the range components+wheels is surprisingly high. My 3 year old Aeroad CF SLX mechanical rim-brake frameset with only mid-range components+wheels has the same weight, everything included..
The Aero bike is indeed dying out. However it's been seen before. My 2013 BH GH6 was an aerobike at a mere 6.78 kg with Zipp202 Tubular and Rotor InPower crank. However it lacked a lot of stiffness. So creaping from all three sides - aero, lightmess and stiffness - it's finally coming together for the perfect road bike - something I've waited on for years!
I love canyon and what they do, but I don't spend much time at 45kph/28mph. Whats the watt savings at 33kph/21mph?
That B-roll footage from 00:17 is awesome !
Cool video Si. I've ridden a friends System Six, deer gawd it's so fast!
Liking the idea of different width tyres, front and back
I reacon we'll have road bikes (now known as endurance) and race bikes which mix the lightweight and aero categories.
How each company approaches it might vary a little, but they will be very similar as the current rules limit options.
Unlike gravel bikes where there are no rules and so masses of variation.
love SI's 87 DEGREE calibrated eyes. now that is pro!
i really like the straigt lines on that aeroad. nearly no curves!
I wanna build this frame into a single speed conversion. Let's gooo
With flat bar
very sophisticated advertisement ;-)
You're right, these bike reviews on GCN pretty much always tend to be. To be fair though, in this case Si has owned an Aeroad for years and is a long-time Canyon customer. I think that lends some credibility and understanding to his enthusiasm.
Was it?? Because the thumbnail says AD and I saw 'includes a paid promotion' stamp at the beginning of the video.
Got to give them credit for the height adjustment at the stem, time comes to sell it and you don't have to hope the guy who buys it is as flexible as you
The most obvious example being flung around is the Venge being outclassed by the Tarmac. The tarmac being far more versatile I do believe it will highly influence a shift in the market. However Aero bikes were never for everybody to begin with, and I doubt those who swore by Aero in the firstplace will be in any rush to give in. I believe we're coming into the all rounder range of bikes, comfortable geometry, wider tyre clearances, disk only framesets and various tiers of components to choose from, for lightweight, endurance or aero builds alike.
I have a question concerning the bars. Due to the possibility, to take them off for transportation, might it be possible to detach them and put on a integrated aerobar handle, if canyon would produce a fitting one? This would be awesome for triathletes, who want one bike for roadbiking and competitions. I know there used to be clip-ons for the old aeroad bars from canyon, but this would be a smoother solution in my opinion.
If you bought the rim brake, Ultegra mechanical version of the previous gen Aerode it weighted in at 6.5kg. This was the lightest weight version of the bike and sold for $3,200. Now they force disc brakes on everyone and remark over how they cut the weight of the bike down to 6.7kg lol.
Wow! Great bike; great presentation. This inspires me to overcome the obstacles to going for a bike ride. Thank you.
I love that you shoot your videos in 21:9, but could you kindly upload at that resolution as well? This way I wouldn't get black frames at all four sides of my screen...
Great video guys! But what about a comparison between this bike and the new Pinarello F12 ...
Dear GCN, i would love to see a video of comparison between Canyon Aeroad CFR vs Orbea Orca Aero since both bike are featured quite a lot in your channel. I am also indecisive of which to buy. Orbea orca aero offers top range frame from the brand where Aeroad CFR is a very neat bike at a high price. Both are nice bike.
yes but how many watts does it save riding at speeds that most people actually ride at?
Exactly...
1.3watts !
@@81caasi and that’s wind tunnel data. It may be zero in reality
Having a SOMEC full carbon, full Dura Ace 7900 7,8 kg, I'm happy with that..
where was this footage shot? great drone shots
Great video, thoughtful engineering.. still going to keep my Felt FRD...
Would love if you guys did a review (first look) with the S-Works Tarmac SL7
Is this some sort of pre-production finish? The ridges between the logo and paintwork seem like the sort of bodge job I'd do if I tried to paint a bike myself. Maybe it's just missing a layer of lacquer, but it all looks a bit rough and ready
I was thinking that really poor paint quality - I suspect it is a pre production though as on the website some colours have canyon logos on the handlebars and seat post whereas others don't so I think this silvery one has been doing the rounds as a prototype.
@@joshwilliams6849 Maybe, yeah. You'd think they'd want a top-notch looking bike in all the promo videos though, rather than giving people the impression they will spend £8k to get an amateur paint job
I was going to ask if you can fit mudguards and a rack. But I changed my mind.
How is the seatpost?
Excuse me, there's a video in your ads
I want to know how much of Canyons budget goes to advertising on all these cycling channels? When you try to talk to their customer service you get the impression you’re taking to a two man operation, but they have the marketing presence of a multinational.
I wish you would just review bikes, would be a lot more interesting than these ads. No offense.
I wish you would just enjoy the video and not complain about a little ad that keeps the channel running in the comment section. No Offense.
Richard Boyd Would be nice to review a greater proportion of affordable, below 1k bikes, perhaps their demographic are just richer. This channel doesn’t really sell the argument that cycling is for everyone, they say it and have a few vids but overwhelmingly it’s 3k+ bikes that get the most time.
43bikeguy for the same reason top gear reviews the latest ferraris, lambo, porches etc week in week out, people aren’t gonna tune in to see them review the latest ford mondeo are they.
J Reddin is that a show this is modelled on cos that show isn’t really about cars is it?
@@jreddin4488 Poor analogy. Not everybody can afford Porsche, Lambos etc, but almost everyone can get into cycling. This channel does a poor job at demonstrating that.
I guess with this bike and the Specialized Tarmac SL7 we are seeing a trend tp consolidation of the aero and light weight climbing bike into a single all around road bike. It could probably be expected. There never was a reason an aero bike had to be significantly heavier than the UCI limit. Not long from now the endurance bike will blend into the gravel road bike. Right now the only real difference between the Specialized Roubaix and the Specialized Diverge is tire clearance. It is always good to reduce niche lines if you are trying to make money manufacturing bicycles.
Also thinking of mulleting my tyres now - that's now a thing!
@11:20 GENIUS.
Canyon copied the 3 piece handlebar idea from the $99 walmart bike that used twist shifters. But they made it better(adjustable)
10:40 So like it's a new and improved quil stem ? or am i missing something ?
Hey ruclips.net/video/7beck87cKLU/видео.html
Yes in that it can go up and down, but no, because everything else about it is completely different!
I thought that exact same thing - showing our age? 😊
@@kilburncounty Haha , i'm only 23 but i've been riding heavy , 12Kg+ quil stem bike with 3X7 gears all my life 😂
Looks good but the painting is strongly inspired by the SystemSix
wow. That bike looks stunning. 915 grams? That's crazy light for an aero bike. I am shocked. Comfort is not that great on aero bikes due to the stiffness of the frame but fours year in the making might have improved that as well!!!
For the money I’ll get the Aeroad CF SLX 8 Disc Di2 and be done with it. Thanks for the vid.
As much as I love the look of that bike I see some things that could potentially ruin someone's day...
The first would be the inability to turn the bars fully, thats gonna be an expensive fix once you crash as not only will you need to change the frame if it cracks but you will need to change the frame the mechanism and the bars.
Second of all the adjustability of the bars while a clever idea could also potentially be disasterous, overtighten the bolt or undertighten and boom those bad boys are comming straight off.
And that seat post...how does that affect seat adjustability? Does it need to be sawn off or do you need to get a different size one to fit your frame?
For anyone reading, I love all bikes and I love new tech as much as anyone I just think that some of these features could cause a lot of damage and problems in the long run for the average consumer.
Funny you mention the potential issue with the extra bolts on the handlebars. I was talking with a Canyon service rep last week (for a completely different issue) and he said he was absolutely dreading all the inventible service calls he was going to get from torque-happy customers on that part.
@@tylersmith2085 Well I sure hope someone picks uo that phone....Because I called it!
Jokes aside It just doesn't seem safe to have 2 bolts on each side holding up a heavy rider and/or witstanding the cranking in a full out sprint, thanks for some industry insight, cheers!
Where are you riding it looks amazing. Please reveal the location ?
Khabib?
Based on the weight I would say aero bike. Canyon will also update the ultimate which is a statement from Canyon that its not a bike for the mountains. I think it's going to be what the Madone is to Trek. If it wasn't just an aero road bike and was truly the 'ultimate I think they wouldn't have updated the aeroad and just done the ultimate just like specialised chose to end the production of the venge.
Wonder if they will do an update mentioning anything about the seat post? They seem to be losing independence.
So they took the Pinarello approach. Turn an aero bike into an all arounder vs the big 3 who all decided to make their lightweight bikes (TCR, Tarmac, Emonda) more aero for 2021. Though I would assume to get the full benefit of the areo you still have to slam the stem and give up the ~not destroy your lower back~ riding position. Though this could be an interesting 1 bike solution for amateur racers by just changing the wheels and cockpit to suit either climbing or aero.
GCN videos remind me of when Top Gear was in its prime! So good!!
Any clip on tri bars for occasional triathlon usage? Either canyon or 3rd party it don’t matter. Thanks
My question too.
Canyon sold a few especially for the older Aeroad designed tri bars directly, but it was already hard to get those after they were sold out
Cheddar Gorge! My closest and favourite climb!
Canyon just proved how durable their CFR carbon lay-up is in this video by showing it is okay to stop ang sit on the top tube after a long climb.
Expertise in direct sale model, x years of development, you can change width of your handlebars but you are not able to order bike that cost 5000€ with stem length that you need :) That's good that at least bike size is still there :)
I think it is even more than that, the 3 diff. bikes will slowly merge back into 1 : Aero Road bike with enough compliance to be able to ride 200+ Kms without any discomfort at all. But we'll first see the lightweight and aero merge, like this bike, than in a couple of years the next one will be merged in too.
Great review. Now that aero bikes are light (all market perception as they gap was only 300-500grs between aero and climber), th de dones are all the bikes that are not aero!!
So....most of the mods to save weight and make shipping easier , compromise durability , stiffness ETC.....
The one piece bar stem is then ...actually 3 pieces with removable / adjustable width bars ...
The adjustability feature is BRILLIANT...yet ..has to effect the stiffness..and potential areas that will break ..fail over time ...
7 watts saved over 45 kph ...REALLY !!💥💥😎
QUick question. How much faith would you have after an off that the bars or more correctly the steerer tube /stem would be safe to ride home. We've all seen bars bounce around off the road quite scarily and with 87deg only i'd fear it may damage the tube.
Fantastic looking bike!!! 😍hate the handlebars setup....... just choose what with we want from factory.....🤔😏
Shame its £650 more in the UK for the slx di2 version than it is in France. That's some hefty extra shipping costs.
Brexit?
That's brexit for you...
Beautiful piece of art
I love Canyon and want this bike but: why is the UK nominal price more than the Euro (even the US is cheaper including sales tax); why is it sold with 2020 wheels which have already been replaced (if its not shipping until Jan anyway, so why not list with the new DT Swiss wheels?); the overall price of the Red AXS version is now nearly £2k more than the old model; and despite the hype, the overall weight of the AXS model at 7.37kg is basically the same. Plus ca change?
That's why I buy giant only, their prices make more sense
GBP isn't worth a lot against the euro at the moment, and VAT might be higher, at a guess? Or it could just be that the UK market will bear it?
Armadillito still worth more than parity and vat rates roughly the same. And, regardless, rates haven’t really changed when It was cheaper in U.K. More to do with cheeky prebrexit pricing for potential tariffs that dont even exist yet. Which may point to a price cut in Jan. best to hold fire on those orders!
Shouldn’t have voted Brexit
They had to produce separately for the other side of the road
I wonder when you actually look into the Orro brand, made here in the UK.
Great bike, great review!