Climbs is the hand my local geography has dealt so I opted for lightweight over aero. Plus there is a bit of a price difference and I was pushing affordability to get an electronic groupset. And a double thumbs up to Ollie and Alex - that was a lovely co-presenting job. A really enjoyable watch.
@@gcntech Vitus Vitesse EVO CR eTap AXS Road (Rival) heavily influenced by this GCN video with Sean Kelly 2 years ago ruclips.net/video/7HMzq6Mi-Is/видео.html
People overestimate weightadvantages or throwing away a water bottle. Gearing is what actually provides an advantage. Shaving that 2 pounds of weight is the same as emptying out your pockets before you ride. Won't make a difference whatsoever.
@@etherealicer 18kg? Dang my steel framed era as a junior on a 53cm frame(criminally oversized I literally have only 9cm of seatpost out and my handlebar and saddle are almost level) was 9.8kg. It was a Bridgestone Radac (aluminium front triangle so technically not full steel). Now I'm on a Giant TCR and I feel carried in my level of competition by how good my bike is.
@@dan_lazaro Well, it is a 20 year old tourer, not a racer with all the works. Full sized mud guards, trailer attachment, cargo rack, basket, even a chain guard and a dynamo (always on). Still get around 100km / week and a top speed of around 33km/h out of it... I'm considering buying a gravel bike now (or something in that spirit), though I can't see myself wear lycra. 😁
@@etherealicer I see. I ride a TCR Advanced now so I revived my vintage scott full rigid mtb and it came in at 11.5kg with a road crankset and a 14-28 block to ride for groceries. I think my lights are worth more than the entire bike but I tune it up and in my opinion the ride quality it has is definitely better than you'd expect from a bike that I'd be hard-pressed to pay 50$ for lol. Edit: I also put 2.35 tires on it instead of the usual 1.95 you find on old mtbs and it is a bit noisy on the road but it looks cooler and handles xc well.
I’d go Aero, they look so much cooler. Also most of my riding is on flatter terrain, I’ll just have to work a little harder on the climbing which should make me STRONGER! Thanks for your work, you two always do top notch content.
Not just that but lightweight bikes tend to give very poor gains even in climbing because the most important factor in climbing isn't weight.... It's your gearing and sustainable power.
@jason200912 having a lightweight bike doesn't hurt your ability to produce power🙃 If you only care about your climbing speed and the climbs you do are very steep, you want that lightweight bike. *Every kind of bike someone uses should have the necessary gear range for the terrain they're riding
Having purchased a new bike yesterday I did not consider aero or weight. I was looking for comfort and build. For the last 47 years I've have ridden exclusively steel frames with down tube friction shifters. My old body wasn't liking the harsher ride and limited gearing. So with my new Giant Defy with mechanical Ultegra. I have gotten less weight, more aero, wider gearing, better shifting, and more importantly comfort. I have moved into the modern age. But I still appreciate my steel bikes.
@@manitolas and thats a good bike , capable of many things . 35mm tires and you cann go woods. or put some good wheels, and they feel fast. it is the bike i will take to brevets in future .
The lightweight bikes of the mid 2010s were my dream to own, but even if the same bikes these days have changed quite a bit (in spec and price…) I’d still choose them because I love climbing!
With all the disclaimers in place, this was still super interesting and informative. One thing you only briefly mentioned is acceleration. For an individual effort like this one, acceleration isn’t a factor, but when adding group dynamics, it becomes a major factor. Getting back up to speed multiple times potentially negates the aero benefits. Chris Miller pointed this out with Plaps victory in the Australian nationals. He won with shallow, lightweight rims as it seems he planned to win from one big acceleration away from the group.
I think Ollie perfectly said why, even in the face of evidence, most amateur riders choose light weight. On my group rides, we stay together on the flats and race up the hills. Every hill. The aero advantage is wasted on our group rides. Maybe an aero bike gives a rider slightly more energy for the climbs (less effort on the flat parts), but given the differences in your climbing results, probably not enough to offset the light weight advantages on a climb.
You are riding with a group, aero has no benefit unless you're always at the front pulling. Group rides rely on drafting so no aero is necessary. Light weight becomes more important in Group rides because you want to keep up with the group to maintain the draft effect on hills. So the best choice for Group rides is the one that you can keep up with on any terrain
@@bluemystic7501 "No one is getting dropped on the flats" :)),, ye yeaa, when i stay forward with good legs with aerobike, then i hang everytime people, and tha i like, because riding at the last line ist not the best option for aero benefits, maybe 2. or 3 line. but not the last. thats why so much weaker riders make the mistake and goes at the back. yaa but anyway a lightweight bike cann perform in a groupride better at the end, i see that. but it is a little bbit of the course and routing
Amazing video ! You should do another one with the third polyvalent bike category like the Tarmac SL7, BMC Teammachine or Pinarello Dogma F. I guess this category should be faster on your course as the specs should be more balanced.
Great video. Here is another good idea for a video: Where are your watts better spent? On climbs or on flats? Go on the same mixed terrain and do tried with the same bike. On one try, try going z2 on the flat and threshold on the climbs and z1 on the descends. On the other try go Z3 throughout the whole course. Try averaging the same watts. This is how we can see where are watts worth spending.
It is very nice to have a lightweight bike in the black forrest here in Germany. I am with Ollie, climbs are more challanging than fast flat outs. Nice vid again folks, keep up the good work! :)
Given that the rider’s position makes the biggest aero gains, I wonder if the difference on the test came from a more aggressive position of the rider on the aero bike. I’ve setup a good aero position on my lightweight bike and it’s certainly not slower than my aero bike.
I think an important consideration is that in both friendly group rides and road races, the big efforts and attacks tend to be on the hills, even in a race situation alot of the riding on the flats it’s relatively steady state and not too challenging to keep pace. In this regard the balance of what bike is faster over a course could swing the other way, even a fairly flat course with a couple of steep kickers could favour a lightweight bike if that is where the attacks happen.
like do the math guys, look up how much heavier the bike is, look at the CdA difference, run it through a calculator. Don't need quantum mechanics to work it out
@@clb4947strong cyclists are going fast enough on climbs that wind resistance is still significant, and aero bikes are only a couple hundred grams heavier. thats out of like 70,000gram system weight so it isn’t very significant. People tend to think of this tradeoff as if aero bikes were 5kg heavier or as if air doesn’t exist on hills.
@@clb4947CdA is coefficient of drag times frontal area, using that and a given speed you can compute drag force, or compute how fast a cyclist will hold at a given power.
Great video. Cutting into the detail, the gains on the climb Ollie knocked out are relevant to those with the climbing physique. For the average viewer, the best bike to choose is the one that inspires you to ride more, or that little further.
0:24 Ollie, When is GCN going to come out with their own pinup calendar with all of the GCN Presenters??? 9:54 - Alex, "Don't eat my snacks out of my storage box." Classic smile by Ollie Great video Alex and Ollie keep them coming!!
I love these vids, great work. Please do one looking at the effect of weight on a flat course where speed changes are common. We spend more time accelerating on bikes than maybe we think, speed is always changing.
I would love for you to revisit this topic. But I would like you to ride the current bikes as well as past aero bikes and lightweight bikes from 10 years ago as well. It would be very interesting to see how much faster the newer bikes are or are not than bikes that old. So older aero bike vs newer aero bike, same thing as lightweight bikes.
All Arounder / hybrid bike I would say, which is pretty much what I already have. A race-influenced lightweight , DeRosa R838 with aero features and components such as flat aero bars, aero seat post, and fast HED wheels with optimized Specialized tires. You guys have confirmed I have a great and practical machine. So cheers to your video!
Hi guys, I like the video. The weight difference is 2 bidons then. I think you are right when you point out the comparative difference in weight + rider, and Alex (heavier rider) was noticeably lower power in descent (more gravity assist!). I'm not likely to be buying a next bike, though I've long wanted a titanium bike. What difference does aero make? A story from my own experience then. About 20 years ago, when deep rim wheels were rare and expensive, I had a 1 hour 40 minute (23 mile) commute (no I didn't do it every day) with 2 down hill, 2 up (both steep) and a fair amout of flat. I designed a home made aero wheel based on a article in "aerodynamic drag" by Hoerner which comprise a ring of "corex" plastic (light weight twin wall) about 3 inches (76mm) trapped in the spokes, front wheel only, otherwise exactly the same bike. On two consecutive rides with similar warm still conditons I saved 6 minutes with the aero. Thats 6% faster. I would always choose aero because ny rides are long, have a lot of flat and inevitably into wind.
Interesting, they say the faster you are going, aero component becomes exponentially more important. By this logic im thinking in a strong headwind on flat, the aero bike might be much more efficient also?
Combined with what Dan Bigham said about the aero suit being just a little advantage over bibs and jersey, the difference was 99% Ollie‘s aero socks. The differences are completely insignificant for me in a Gran Fondo, it‘s mainly about how much strength work I do and how long I can hold the aero position.
@@gcntechI couldn't which is why I have two lol. I started with my lightweight bike for riding the mountains of Colorado. Now have the aero for riding with the trade winds in Hawai'i. Yes, I am VERY lucky indeed! ⛰🏝😀
@@gcntech I did the same test as you did for a particular ride (flat, climb, undulating) and my lightweight bike was faster with flats than my aero bike with clipless pedals.42k 1:47:40 on flats vs 1:55:41 on aero clipless. My cranksets are different though Semi-compact vs compact. Is there a video there comparing the times of the various cranksets? Standard, Semi, and Compact chainsets?
I really like the Ollie final comment: climb is what cycling it's all about! I’ll chose lightweight for the rest of my life, off course if the producer company will improve the aero of this bike I not affecting the weight I'll like it
I’d love to know how it changes for an actual event or group ride when holding the wheel is so important meaning every time there is gradient you would need to surge more for the extra kilos to stay on the wheel plus the aero effect would be reduced in the draft. This would even work on the ‘flat’ (rollers) like was seen in the pro +\- 20 kg video from awhile ago. Maybe it comes out in the wash without the aero but Would love to see a comparison where you maintain speed instead of power (like the pro +\- 20 kg vid) maybe in a group setting too to see the different effort required or how many matches you’d have to burn.
I agree. The question is where does the separation happen on a group ride? Assuming people are of roughly similar ability then the separation nearly always happens on the climbs. You’re not going to drop someone of similar ability on the flat just because you’re on an aero bike and they’re not.
Good one Chaps. Lean machine Ollie can enjoy tapas now that "being dropped" has been dropped from the Bridgewood lexicon. Well supported by Alex. Roll on more from GCN Tech
With regard to Ollie's point about only noticing the weight penalty of the aero bike when accelerating, this makes me think that the lighter bike is better when racing and responding to regular attacks. But then again, if you're using less power when rolling along on the aero bike, maybe you've got more left in the tank for those attacks. Or to actually initiate one. Something I'm not inclined to do myself.
Thanks again for such a brilliant video. I was debating if I should trade in my Cannondale Caad 10 for an Areo to ride something different under foot. I'm keeping my Caad 10. When I want something different under foot, I'll pull my steel Pinarello Super Record out of the stable. Thanks again for all you do for the biking world.
The reasons why Ollie gained a relative 20 seconds over Alex on the lightweight bike up the ascent - and was almost a minute faster over both the flat and climb segments - was because he averaged 30 watts more throughout each and weighs 10kg less. Curious as to why you didn’t match your watts per kilo? Then if any discrepancy had still existed between your times - relative to each other - we could have been certain it was down to a combination of body shape & riding technique! Regardless, entertaning and informative as always!
Great final comment from Ollie, at the end of the day it’s enjoying the ride and for each of us, what gives most enjoyment, is different. Like Ollie I have a perverse pleasure in beasting myself on climbs so lightweight for me. Plus a fund a lighter ‘snappier’ bike more ‘fun’.
very useful 👍👍👍...it would be great for next comparison video to find out the time difference in drafting position using same set of bikes and same test location
I have a 2021 Venge pro…Same carbon layup as the Venge S-Works, and well…It looks fantastic! 30 seconds more/less/same than my lightweight Tarmac doesn’t matter when I get goosebumps every time I look at the bike! LOL! Too bad Specialized discontinued that frame…Best looking ever IMO.
People always say you can "feel" a lightweight bike when you ride because of the fast acceleration and the instant reaction when you pound the pedal on a climb. Is there anything equivalent on the aero bike? Like do you feel anything or is it just a case of averaging higher watts without realizing since you're getting more watts per same effort? I ask because for someone who isn't interested in shaving seconds off a little weekend ride or even minutes off a long one, a difference in feel would be something I notice and would enjoy having. There's also the fact that at the budget/mid range, something like the canyon ultimate and aeroad only differ by 400-600g on a complete stock build. I imagine less in just the frame.
That's not how aero works. You don't get extra watts but you don't need the same watts for the identical speed. So less effort for the same speed in flat terrain for aero. For lightweight it's less effort for the same speed while climbing.
@@MicroageHD Yes, I know that's how aero works, I just didn't phrase it correctly, that's 100% on me. What I meant is the feeling of speed for same effort and am still wondering 1 year later if you feel it.
I chose the Orbea Orca OMX, aero where it needs to be, and it climbs like a dream. Best of both worlds, can't wait to see Team Lotto/Dstny rocking Orbea next year! Campenaerts is going to love the Orca Aero!
exactly the movie i needed on the day when Im looking for a new bike. Need to show this to wife - "see, i need aero one!". thanks guys! even though im mostly climbing, and theres ton to cut in other places (rider weight, clothes etc)... plus - 1kg difference between bikes is a bidon of water full/empty...
I find the Aero bikes look really nice. Given that is true... I like the lighter bike.... cost difference is definitely a factor... Aero bikes in general cost more...
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I'm in the 50s...and I am not into racing, so I am not into the fast lane. My questions would be - can I ride in those 3 conditions (uphill, flat, and downhill)? Flat and downhill? Definitely can. How fast can I go? I don't really care - if I can make 30, 35 or 40 km/h at my age, I already feel good. Uphill? Now, that is something else. Again, as you grow older, pumping your heart like as though you are in the 30s might not be a good idea. I don't know about watts but I know my heart and I can feel it strain whenever I go uphill. So, if you ask me which one I prefer, then I guess it would be the lightweight ones. I can still ride 'fast' at the flats and downhills and I can ride fairly with ease whenever I face uphill challenge. But this is just me.
Enjoyed this video, although of course the heavier bike is always going to be faster downhill, whether aero or not. Although I am a heavier rider (85 kg) and not much of a climber, I would still go with the lightweight bicycle for the responsiveness but there is a lot to be said for comfort for long rides.
What about a similar comparison on gravel? Does a light bike help more on rough dirt roads with possible steeper sections? Does aero matter as much at slower speeds on dirt roads?
Nice comparison. The comment about Moonbase Alpha reminds me that you could see the the strings holding the ships when they were flying through space 😂. Worthless knowledge but funny anyway 😊. Great show as always 👍
I have 1 aero light 7.2kg de Rosa super king 2. Scott addict r3, 6.34kg with cl24 Dura Ace 3. Scott addict newer with some aero & aero wheels I am less tired using the aero bikes, I plan to put aero wheels on the bike… adding Aero influences, & optimised tires makes a positive difference. I would be like Ollie!
thanks for your ideas. Good content at the right moment. 👍 For the long rides over +2 dyas I use the Grizl with 4 Season 700x32. I'm looking for something for the faster rides and duathlon competitions. The shortlist includes the ultimate Cf 7 with Di2with or aeroad cf sl8 with ultegra... budget 4000€
I test rode a 2014 Venge against a Tarmac and the biggest difference was the quality of the ride. The venge felt like a hard piece of wood yes it was stiff and aero but the tarmac was super comfy and light. I chose the tarmac. As I was more comfortable and on long rides that’s all that actually matters in the end.
I'm curious if the wheels and tires were identical on both bikes..... surely that would affect the results if they weren't! I'm actually working on this same issue currently... I have a 2017 Trek Domane S (my aero) and am building up a 1992 Trek 5200 to be fairly light and clearly not as aero. It'll be interesting to see the difference!
The wheels would be chosen for the type of bike - aero wheels for the aero bike and lightweight wheels for the lighweight one. They're testing the whole package, not just the frame and groupset..
I'm not a super powerful rider but am 200 lbs so I feel like a combination is key! Lightweight & aero is my go to! Being able to tuck in & fly downhill makes lugging myself uphill worthwhile!
Granfondo's are all about bunches. And picking the right one that suits your ability so you don't get dropped halfway through, and lose minutes riding solo. I've ridden the same fondo 16times on a variety of bikes- mtb's with slicks, non-aerobike with box section rims and semi-aero bike and deep section rims. Best time ever was on a 9.5kg mtb with slicks. Has always annoyed me!
I'm pretty light and like climbing, so I bought an aero bike! My thinking was that that way, I can follow my friends on the flat and I'll destory them a little less uphill :D Also, I live in Flanders. We don't have hills longer than two minutes.
surprised how close these were, but new climbing bikes share so much of the aero advantage of the more specific aero bikes that it's hard to choose unless you live in a flat region. Aero bikes look cooler IMO though... that being said I own a Canyon Ultimate because I can't bike a mile from my house without climbing at least 300'.
This is the big question for me. I want to buy the Canyon Aeroad CF SLX or the Ultimate SLX depending what is faster. My bw is 64.4 kg and I am more an "Allrounder" or your typical GC Rider. I can sustain 335 Watts for an hour. And my Race calendar includes everything from Flandern (hilly) to the real big Mountain Race with 5000 m of elevation and not to forget big classic races like LBL where Aero Kicks for energie saving during the race. My personal preferences would be the Canyon Aeroad CFR. It is Close to the Ultimate from the weight and it is aero. But funny fact ask me in three days and I say Ultimate. So far i can only afford one bike. What would you do ?
@@robinvanderspek Many friends has Canyon bikes our group. Ultimate Slx and Aeroad cf sl. The Ultimate guy can do everything and always faster than Aeroad friend except descent.
Do the same study wherein you have attacking style riding instead of steady on the flat and steady on the climb, more like a race with repeated accelerations and then slower sections as well.
Same event but total watts over the course when one drafts the other. My guess is that weight will come out less. A smart rider drafts when possible. You are right as this represents a TT
Having ridden several Gran Fondos, the timed sections tend to be on climbs. Riding at threshold for the uphill would simulate the timed sections of a GF.
anyone ride a climbing bike with zero aero frame and ride behind a groups drifting,already beats that aero bikes gain and countless points gains.only best answer is the tt,aniway that aero bike is quite tempting ,thanks for the video
My rides include a lot of climbing in Colorado so I'd go for the lightweight bike. Plus it would "feel" awesome. I guess it depends on what type of riding you do.
Thanks, GCN, and I never tire of these comparisons, tho' it seems they are pretty much equal. And my decision would be made on looks, I like dropped stays but not the severe ones, so here I would choose the light bike. But color is important, too, and price, of course. And I'm happy for aero fans that they have aero bikes. :)
Given that when I get dropped it's almost always on climbs, I'd opt for the aero bike and have a solid excuse. That said, I ride a bike that makes me happy because of its ability to perform in all terrains and is especially sharp in twisty descents and cornering, a Pinarello Dogma F 10. In short ride the bike on which you feel the best.
this Video so helpful. Can u compare with Semi aero bike such as Cervelo Soloist Cervelo R5 (Light weight) Cervelo Soloist (Semi aero) Cervelo S5 (Aero)
another great video lads! actually my favourite ride seems to be some kind of Frankenstein-Bike: a pretty light Ridley Fenix SL with some more endurance orientated geometry. A convenient position is with one 0.5mm spacer. Bike is equipped with rimbrakes and 60mm carbon aero wheels. rideready at 7.1kg. light and aero :-)
Ok, but if you were running a very high end bike, where the minimum UCI weight limit governed overall weight, an aero bike like the Aeroad CFR with some lighter aero wheels than those it comes standard with - Caden 65’s, for example - versus an Ultimate CF SLX with similar depth wheels - if the weight were the same, it’d be a no brainer, right? Or is there something else that might make an aero bike slower on a climb?
I think a big part of the similar times is the aero-ness of today's lightweight bikes. Carbon tech just keeps getting better and a lightweight aero bike is evolving. Great times we live in!
IMHO Get both.. or make your aero bike as light as you can. For me, gearing matters on a GF ride too, and use aero clothing (judging by your other recent vid!) great vid Btw!
I just purchased a lightweight aero bike. Not that the aero bike is light per se, it's just that my current bike is a 9kg aluminium bike. So it's win win for me!
All well and good assuming you are capable of adopting an aero position for extended periods of time. We are not all 25 years old or ex pro cyclists!. To a lot of riders a comfortable riding position is far more beneficial over any meaningful distance.
our body is like 75% of the aero part - so with the aero bike being driven in the hoods against a lightweight bike being driven in aero position - i dont see how you can compare that?
After digesting tons of promoting content about aero bikes on the internet I have spent more than 6000$ and bought a latest Scott FOIL. The bike is really good but after riding it I can easily say that it didn't add any crucial value to my ride. My rim braked 2022 TCR Advanced 2 with standart Campy Zonda climbing wheels is just good enough for everything. Actually TCR is still more attractive to me but since I paid 6000$ I am lying to myself and riding the Foil xD The only thing I can say about aero bikes is YOU WILL NEVER NEED AN AERO BIKE if you are not a pro. Even if there is a real life difference, it would be so small that you probably don't see any benefits on any type of cycling event that you attend. What I suggest is forget aero bikes, electronic shifting, disc brakes and other hypes on the internet. If your bike is relatively light and responsive and has a comfortable ride you already have more than enough. Instead of spending lots of money on bike upgrades, spending on items like power meter, a good cycling computer, an indoor trainer or even a pair of better shoes will be much more beneficial for you.
A better test would be to ride together, then compare the average wattages. (You would adjust for the difference in your body weights by carrying additional gels.)
I would say that for those who are less strong cyclists and not that fast the benefits of a lightweight bike may stack up better against an aero bike. Generally such a rider won’t be going that fast on the flats so while aero gains exist the differences are smaller as the speed is less. It is more likely they find riding on the flat ok but more likely to struggle up hills where the lightweight bike will give them more advantage.
In terms of looks many people attracted to aero me and myself too I don't have any experienced of both bcoz its my first time to owned low budget endurance/climbing RB it was 10kg Some expert say and professional cyclist prefer lightweight over aero
Nice test, were the wheels on both bikes of the same quality, standard ? Feel a deviation here would skew the test results. Also were you both consistent in your position, ie in the drops on flats etc !
Hey, I have an idea for your next experiment… which saves more watts in a draft, aero or lightweight? Like both bikes will be behind another rider at constant speed (30/40kph). Then, compare the watts needed to sustain that speed to each other.
Great little test. Have any of you ever testet the danish brand Pronghorn? or Python for that sake?? Could be great if you did some reviews and testing in Denmark as well since we are many cyclists just as keen of bicycling as GCN folks.
At 97 kg a lightweight bike seems a bit silly for me, and at 188 cm an aero frame isn't going to help much either. Furthermore, since I do all of of my own maintenance the concealed cables and hoses of the modern aero bikes make them a difficult to work on. So I'll gladly take a 3-4 W loss to have easier maintenance .
I am saving up for the Cervelo R5. Guess "lightweight" won for me. But I was sold on the descending. I don't ride for races, we climb hills up to go down
i think I'm leaning towards a lightweight bike for myself. As someone that relatively light and only puts out about 100W my power to weight ratio might struggle to make the most of the aerodynamic benefits (also based on me not buying the latest and greatest lightweight aero bike). Living next to a large hill I'm assuming I'd stand more to gain from the climb, versus the watt savings on the descent (also taking into account my lack of descent skills) I could be wrong about my assumptions though.
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Which do you prefer: lightweight or aero bikes? Let us know in the comments below! 👇
light weight
I'm a TT/flat rider at best so Aero bike for me BUT I own a BMC Team Machine slr02 and I love it 😁
AERO for me.... Unirox Aeroad
As long as it looks dope
Like weight bike for the win RIM BRAKES!
Climbs is the hand my local geography has dealt so I opted for lightweight over aero. Plus there is a bit of a price difference and I was pushing affordability to get an electronic groupset. And a double thumbs up to Ollie and Alex - that was a lovely co-presenting job. A really enjoyable watch.
Great to hear you've found a bike that works for your riding! Lightweight bikes are a great all round option 🙌 What bike did you go for?
@@gcntech Vitus Vitesse EVO CR eTap AXS Road (Rival) heavily influenced by this GCN video with Sean Kelly 2 years ago ruclips.net/video/7HMzq6Mi-Is/видео.html
People overestimate weightadvantages or throwing away a water bottle. Gearing is what actually provides an advantage.
Shaving that 2 pounds of weight is the same as emptying out your pockets before you ride. Won't make a difference whatsoever.
So, in conclusion, if you’re not a World Tour Pro get the type of bike that you prefer the ride feel of 👍
That is why I ride a 18kg-non aero-steel frame 😂
@@etherealicer 18kg? Dang my steel framed era as a junior on a 53cm frame(criminally oversized I literally have only 9cm of seatpost out and my handlebar and saddle are almost level) was 9.8kg. It was a Bridgestone Radac (aluminium front triangle so technically not full steel). Now I'm on a Giant TCR and I feel carried in my level of competition by how good my bike is.
@@dan_lazaro Well, it is a 20 year old tourer, not a racer with all the works. Full sized mud guards, trailer attachment, cargo rack, basket, even a chain guard and a dynamo (always on). Still get around 100km / week and a top speed of around 33km/h out of it...
I'm considering buying a gravel bike now (or something in that spirit), though I can't see myself wear lycra. 😁
@@etherealicer damn i used yo ride one with the dame weight 😅🤣 , it's a torture
@@etherealicer I see. I ride a TCR Advanced now so I revived my vintage scott full rigid mtb and it came in at 11.5kg with a road crankset and a 14-28 block to ride for groceries. I think my lights are worth more than the entire bike but I tune it up and in my opinion the ride quality it has is definitely better than you'd expect from a bike that I'd be hard-pressed to pay 50$ for lol.
Edit: I also put 2.35 tires on it instead of the usual 1.95 you find on old mtbs and it is a bit noisy on the road but it looks cooler and handles xc well.
I’d go Aero, they look so much cooler. Also most of my riding is on flatter terrain, I’ll just have to work a little harder on the climbing which should make me STRONGER! Thanks for your work, you two always do top notch content.
Not just that but lightweight bikes tend to give very poor gains even in climbing because the most important factor in climbing isn't weight.... It's your gearing and sustainable power.
@jason200912 having a lightweight bike doesn't hurt your ability to produce power🙃 If you only care about your climbing speed and the climbs you do are very steep, you want that lightweight bike. *Every kind of bike someone uses should have the necessary gear range for the terrain they're riding
Here in south east Texas we have no hills here so I’d definitely go for aero
@@jason200912 What are you talking about? Of cause weight is extremely important or rather power to weight ratio.
Having purchased a new bike yesterday I did not consider aero or weight. I was looking for comfort and build. For the last 47 years I've have ridden exclusively steel frames with down tube friction shifters. My old body wasn't liking the harsher ride and limited gearing. So with my new Giant Defy with mechanical Ultegra. I have gotten less weight, more aero, wider gearing, better shifting, and more importantly comfort. I have moved into the modern age. But I still appreciate my steel bikes.
Many happy milles 😀🤟
@@manitolas and thats a good bike , capable of many things . 35mm tires and you cann go woods. or put some good wheels, and they feel fast. it is the bike i will take to brevets in future .
Ollie is looking more and more like Dan every day, even down to the posing. At this rate, he’ll have stopped riding altogether by Christmas next year.
prey for hs ankles
It’s hard to call yourself anything like Dan if you were never on the Cervélo test team tbh.
We'll have to keep an eye out on his "mineral water' intake...
Hahaha is he peaking do you think? 😂
@@johnnyloco11 ... "Pray" not "Prey" their is a significant difference their. LOL, that is taking micro aggressions to whole new level.
The lightweight bikes of the mid 2010s were my dream to own, but even if the same bikes these days have changed quite a bit (in spec and price…) I’d still choose them because I love climbing!
What bike do you have in mind? 👀
I love these kinds of comparison videos! Keep 'em coming :)
Thanks!
With all the disclaimers in place, this was still super interesting and informative. One thing you only briefly mentioned is acceleration. For an individual effort like this one, acceleration isn’t a factor, but when adding group dynamics, it becomes a major factor. Getting back up to speed multiple times potentially negates the aero benefits.
Chris Miller pointed this out with Plaps victory in the Australian nationals. He won with shallow, lightweight rims as it seems he planned to win from one big acceleration away from the group.
I think Ollie perfectly said why, even in the face of evidence, most amateur riders choose light weight. On my group rides, we stay together on the flats and race up the hills. Every hill. The aero advantage is wasted on our group rides. Maybe an aero bike gives a rider slightly more energy for the climbs (less effort on the flat parts), but given the differences in your climbing results, probably not enough to offset the light weight advantages on a climb.
You are riding with a group, aero has no benefit unless you're always at the front pulling. Group rides rely on drafting so no aero is necessary.
Light weight becomes more important in Group rides because you want to keep up with the group to maintain the draft effect on hills. So the best choice for Group rides is the one that you can keep up with on any terrain
@@bonbonflippers4298 yeah truely agreed that is true👍,drafting is the problem experiancing someones body odour 😂
This is a great point. No one is getting dropped on the flats but climbs separate the men from the boys.
@@bluemystic7501 "No one is getting dropped on the flats" :)),, ye yeaa, when i stay forward with good legs with aerobike, then i hang everytime people, and tha i like, because riding at the last line ist not the best option for aero benefits, maybe 2. or 3 line. but not the last. thats why so much weaker riders make the mistake and goes at the back. yaa but anyway a lightweight bike cann perform in a groupride better at the end, i see that. but it is a little bbit of the course and routing
Amazing video ! You should do another one with the third polyvalent bike category like the Tarmac SL7, BMC Teammachine or Pinarello Dogma F. I guess this category should be faster on your course as the specs should be more balanced.
Great video. Here is another good idea for a video: Where are your watts better spent? On climbs or on flats? Go on the same mixed terrain and do tried with the same bike. On one try, try going z2 on the flat and threshold on the climbs and z1 on the descends. On the other try go Z3 throughout the whole course. Try averaging the same watts. This is how we can see where are watts worth spending.
higher efforts on the climbs are proven to pay bigger dividends.
It is very nice to have a lightweight bike in the black forrest here in Germany. I am with Ollie, climbs are more challanging than fast flat outs. Nice vid again folks, keep up the good work! :)
Given that the rider’s position makes the biggest aero gains, I wonder if the difference on the test came from a more aggressive position of the rider on the aero bike. I’ve setup a good aero position on my lightweight bike and it’s certainly not slower than my aero bike.
Probably ❤
This
Aero v lightweight, just have both! Go rim brake, i have and f10 that weighs 6.7kg with bottle cages and power meter included.
Pinarello f10
I think an important consideration is that in both friendly group rides and road races, the big efforts and attacks tend to be on the hills, even in a race situation alot of the riding on the flats it’s relatively steady state and not too challenging to keep pace. In this regard the balance of what bike is faster over a course could swing the other way, even a fairly flat course with a couple of steep kickers could favour a lightweight bike if that is where the attacks happen.
Those big attacks on the hills will be faster with the aero bike.
like do the math guys, look up how much heavier the bike is, look at the CdA difference, run it through a calculator. Don't need quantum mechanics to work it out
@@JackMottstill new to cycling: What's CdA? And how does it make attacks on climb more performant for aero bikes? just curious
@@clb4947strong cyclists are going fast enough on climbs that wind resistance is still significant, and aero bikes are only a couple hundred grams heavier. thats out of like 70,000gram system weight so it isn’t very significant. People tend to think of this tradeoff as if aero bikes were 5kg heavier or as if air doesn’t exist on hills.
@@clb4947CdA is coefficient of drag times frontal area, using that and a given speed you can compute drag force, or compute how fast a cyclist will hold at a given power.
Great video. Cutting into the detail, the gains on the climb Ollie knocked out are relevant to those with the climbing physique. For the average viewer, the best bike to choose is the one that inspires you to ride more, or that little further.
0:24 Ollie, When is GCN going to come out with their own pinup calendar with all of the GCN Presenters???
9:54 - Alex, "Don't eat my snacks out of my storage box." Classic smile by Ollie
Great video Alex and Ollie keep them coming!!
I love these vids, great work. Please do one looking at the effect of weight on a flat course where speed changes are common. We spend more time accelerating on bikes than maybe we think, speed is always changing.
Sounds like one we can do here at Uk Mega base! 🙌
Makes sense
I would love for you to revisit this topic. But I would like you to ride the current bikes as well as past aero bikes and lightweight bikes from 10 years ago as well. It would be very interesting to see how much faster the newer bikes are or are not than bikes that old. So older aero bike vs newer aero bike, same thing as lightweight bikes.
All Arounder / hybrid bike I would say, which is pretty much what I already have. A race-influenced lightweight , DeRosa R838 with aero features and components such as flat aero bars, aero seat post, and fast HED wheels with optimized Specialized tires. You guys have confirmed I have a great and practical machine. So cheers to your video!
Hi guys, I like the video. The weight difference is 2 bidons then. I think you are right when you point out the comparative difference in weight + rider, and Alex (heavier rider) was noticeably lower power in descent (more gravity assist!).
I'm not likely to be buying a next bike, though I've long wanted a titanium bike.
What difference does aero make? A story from my own experience then. About 20 years ago, when deep rim wheels were rare and expensive, I had a 1 hour 40 minute (23 mile) commute (no I didn't do it every day) with 2 down hill, 2 up (both steep) and a fair amout of flat. I designed a home made aero wheel based on a article in "aerodynamic drag" by Hoerner which comprise a ring of "corex" plastic (light weight twin wall) about 3 inches (76mm) trapped in the spokes, front wheel only, otherwise exactly the same bike. On two consecutive rides with similar warm still conditons I saved 6 minutes with the aero. Thats 6% faster.
I would always choose aero because ny rides are long, have a lot of flat and inevitably into wind.
Interesting, they say the faster you are going, aero component becomes exponentially more important. By this logic im thinking in a strong headwind on flat, the aero bike might be much more efficient also?
Combined with what Dan Bigham said about the aero suit being just a little advantage over bibs and jersey, the difference was 99% Ollie‘s aero socks. The differences are completely insignificant for me in a Gran Fondo, it‘s mainly about how much strength work I do and how long I can hold the aero position.
Are you a fan on Aero or lightweight bikes? For us mortals there are some big changes to be made in training and prep 🙌
Have 1 of each and love them both! The joy outweighs the differences.
lol
One of each! Wow, very lucky 🙌 What if you had to choose one?
@@gcntechI couldn't which is why I have two lol.
I started with my lightweight bike for riding the mountains of Colorado. Now have the aero for riding with the trade winds in Hawai'i. Yes, I am VERY lucky indeed!
⛰🏝😀
@@gcntech I did the same test as you did for a particular ride (flat, climb, undulating) and my lightweight bike was faster with flats than my aero bike with clipless pedals.42k 1:47:40 on flats vs 1:55:41 on aero clipless. My cranksets are different though Semi-compact vs compact. Is there a video there comparing the times of the various cranksets? Standard, Semi, and Compact chainsets?
I live in the Midwest USA, where hills are quite rare, so I would definitely go with an aero bike to take advantage of the ever-present flats.
I really like the Ollie final comment: climb is what cycling it's all about! I’ll chose lightweight for the rest of my life, off course if the producer company will improve the aero of this bike I not affecting the weight I'll like it
I’d love to know how it changes for an actual event or group ride when holding the wheel is so important meaning every time there is gradient you would need to surge more for the extra kilos to stay on the wheel plus the aero effect would be reduced in the draft. This would even work on the ‘flat’ (rollers) like was seen in the pro +\- 20 kg video from awhile ago. Maybe it comes out in the wash without the aero but Would love to see a comparison where you maintain speed instead of power (like the pro +\- 20 kg vid) maybe in a group setting too to see the different effort required or how many matches you’d have to burn.
I agree. The question is where does the separation happen on a group ride? Assuming people are of roughly similar ability then the separation nearly always happens on the climbs. You’re not going to drop someone of similar ability on the flat just because you’re on an aero bike and they’re not.
Good one Chaps. Lean machine Ollie can enjoy tapas now that "being dropped" has been dropped from the Bridgewood lexicon. Well supported by Alex. Roll on more from GCN Tech
With regard to Ollie's point about only noticing the weight penalty of the aero bike when accelerating, this makes me think that the lighter bike is better when racing and responding to regular attacks. But then again, if you're using less power when rolling along on the aero bike, maybe you've got more left in the tank for those attacks. Or to actually initiate one. Something I'm not inclined to do myself.
Thanks again for such a brilliant video. I was debating if I should trade in my Cannondale Caad 10 for an Areo to ride something different under foot. I'm keeping my Caad 10. When I want something different under foot, I'll pull my steel Pinarello Super Record out of the stable. Thanks again for all you do for the biking world.
Glad you're enjoying our videos!
The reasons why Ollie gained a relative 20 seconds over Alex on the lightweight bike up the ascent - and was almost a minute faster over both the flat and climb segments - was because he averaged 30 watts more throughout each and weighs 10kg less. Curious as to why you didn’t match your watts per kilo? Then if any discrepancy had still existed between your times - relative to each other - we could have been certain it was down to a combination of body shape & riding technique! Regardless, entertaning and informative as always!
Great final comment from Ollie, at the end of the day it’s enjoying the ride and for each of us, what gives most enjoyment, is different.
Like Ollie I have a perverse pleasure in beasting myself on climbs so lightweight for me. Plus a fund a lighter ‘snappier’ bike more ‘fun’.
THIS ☝
very useful 👍👍👍...it would be great for next comparison video to find out the time difference in drafting position using same set of bikes and same test location
riding the same watts. and 2 runs in each direction
Were they using the same tyres?
Gotta love Ollies smirk now that he's not the one getting dropped. Also love that you make him out to be kinda like a super hero with the rock n roll!
Hahaha he won't let us forget how fit he's become 😂
I have a 2021 Venge pro…Same carbon layup as the Venge S-Works, and well…It looks fantastic! 30 seconds more/less/same than my lightweight Tarmac doesn’t matter when I get goosebumps every time I look at the bike! LOL! Too bad Specialized discontinued that frame…Best looking ever IMO.
People always say you can "feel" a lightweight bike when you ride because of the fast acceleration and the instant reaction when you pound the pedal on a climb. Is there anything equivalent on the aero bike? Like do you feel anything or is it just a case of averaging higher watts without realizing since you're getting more watts per same effort? I ask because for someone who isn't interested in shaving seconds off a little weekend ride or even minutes off a long one, a difference in feel would be something I notice and would enjoy having. There's also the fact that at the budget/mid range, something like the canyon ultimate and aeroad only differ by 400-600g on a complete stock build. I imagine less in just the frame.
That's not how aero works. You don't get extra watts but you don't need the same watts for the identical speed. So less effort for the same speed in flat terrain for aero. For lightweight it's less effort for the same speed while climbing.
@@MicroageHD Yes, I know that's how aero works, I just didn't phrase it correctly, that's 100% on me. What I meant is the feeling of speed for same effort and am still wondering 1 year later if you feel it.
I chose the Orbea Orca OMX, aero where it needs to be, and it climbs like a dream. Best of both worlds, can't wait to see Team Lotto/Dstny rocking Orbea next year! Campenaerts is going to love the Orca Aero!
exactly the movie i needed on the day when Im looking for a new bike. Need to show this to wife - "see, i need aero one!". thanks guys!
even though im mostly climbing, and theres ton to cut in other places (rider weight, clothes etc)... plus - 1kg difference between bikes is a bidon of water full/empty...
I find the Aero bikes look really nice. Given that is true... I like the lighter bike.... cost difference is definitely a factor... Aero bikes in general cost more...
Those videos are so helpfull in these winter days, thank you for all of them :) 👍
Glad we could help! Hope winter isn't keeping you down! In face Conor and Manon have just shared their top tips in beating winter 👉 ruclips.net/video/KxcSGEqhSCw/видео.html
I might be wrong...but the weight of the Aero bike also played to it's advantage on the descent :) Nice video :)
I'm in the 50s...and I am not into racing, so I am not into the fast lane. My questions would be - can I ride in those 3 conditions (uphill, flat, and downhill)? Flat and downhill? Definitely can. How fast can I go? I don't really care - if I can make 30, 35 or 40 km/h at my age, I already feel good. Uphill? Now, that is something else. Again, as you grow older, pumping your heart like as though you are in the 30s might not be a good idea. I don't know about watts but I know my heart and I can feel it strain whenever I go uphill. So, if you ask me which one I prefer, then I guess it would be the lightweight ones. I can still ride 'fast' at the flats and downhills and I can ride fairly with ease whenever I face uphill challenge. But this is just me.
Enjoyed this video, although of course the heavier bike is always going to be faster downhill, whether aero or not. Although I am a heavier rider (85 kg) and not much of a climber, I would still go with the lightweight bicycle for the responsiveness but there is a lot to be said for comfort for long rides.
This review/video was much appreciated.😀
Don’t forget that some people (like me) would want the aero bike at the weight of the lightweight bike, just to help getting up the climb.
Good to see the stats posted. Thanks for sharing
What about a similar comparison on gravel? Does a light bike help more on rough dirt roads with possible steeper sections? Does aero matter as much at slower speeds on dirt roads?
Nice comparison. The comment about Moonbase Alpha reminds me that you could see the the strings holding the ships when they were flying through space 😂. Worthless knowledge but funny anyway 😊. Great show as always 👍
I have
1 aero light 7.2kg de Rosa super king
2. Scott addict r3, 6.34kg with cl24 Dura Ace
3. Scott addict newer with some aero & aero wheels
I am less tired using the aero bikes, I plan to put aero wheels on the bike… adding Aero influences, & optimised tires makes a positive difference.
I would be like Ollie!
thanks for your ideas. Good content at the right moment. 👍
For the long rides over +2 dyas I use the Grizl with 4 Season 700x32. I'm looking for something for the faster rides and duathlon competitions. The shortlist includes the ultimate Cf 7 with Di2with or aeroad cf sl8 with ultegra... budget 4000€
Great studio! I advise some acoustic treatment that will bring down the reverberation time (echo).
Ollie is loving the hills wow . Should get a signing from a pro team anytime soon . happy days
He sits in GCN megabase everyday just waiting for the contract to arrive at the door!
I've already picked areo for my next bike
Busy building up an AR Advanced Disk framset.
I test rode a 2014 Venge against a Tarmac and the biggest difference was the quality of the ride. The venge felt like a hard piece of wood yes it was stiff and aero but the tarmac was super comfy and light. I chose the tarmac. As I was more comfortable and on long rides that’s all that actually matters in the end.
I'm curious if the wheels and tires were identical on both bikes..... surely that would affect the results if they weren't! I'm actually working on this same issue currently... I have a 2017 Trek Domane S (my aero) and am building up a 1992 Trek 5200 to be fairly light and clearly not as aero. It'll be interesting to see the difference!
The wheels would be chosen for the type of bike - aero wheels for the aero bike and lightweight wheels for the lighweight one. They're testing the whole package, not just the frame and groupset..
I'm not a super powerful rider but am 200 lbs so I feel like a combination is key! Lightweight & aero is my go to! Being able to tuck in & fly downhill makes lugging myself uphill worthwhile!
Very cool video. Love it. Keep them coming.👍🏻🇨🇦
Good point about the system weight. Larger blokes like me have only one choice: aero :)
Granfondo's are all about bunches. And picking the right one that suits your ability so you don't get dropped halfway through, and lose minutes riding solo. I've ridden the same fondo 16times on a variety of bikes- mtb's with slicks, non-aerobike with box section rims and semi-aero bike and deep section rims. Best time ever was on a 9.5kg mtb with slicks. Has always annoyed me!
I'm pretty light and like climbing, so I bought an aero bike! My thinking was that that way, I can follow my friends on the flat and I'll destory them a little less uphill :D
Also, I live in Flanders. We don't have hills longer than two minutes.
surprised how close these were, but new climbing bikes share so much of the aero advantage of the more specific aero bikes that it's hard to choose unless you live in a flat region. Aero bikes look cooler IMO though... that being said I own a Canyon Ultimate because I can't bike a mile from my house without climbing at least 300'.
This is the big question for me. I want to buy the Canyon Aeroad CF SLX or the Ultimate SLX depending what is faster. My bw is 64.4 kg and I am more an "Allrounder" or your typical GC Rider. I can sustain 335 Watts for an hour. And my Race calendar includes everything from Flandern (hilly) to the real big Mountain Race with 5000 m of elevation and not to forget big classic races like LBL where Aero Kicks for energie saving during the race. My personal preferences would be the Canyon Aeroad CFR. It is Close to the Ultimate from the weight and it is aero. But funny fact ask me in three days and I say Ultimate. So far i can only afford one bike. What would you do ?
I’m on the same fence, what did you choose, and why?
@@robinvanderspek Many friends has Canyon bikes our group. Ultimate Slx and Aeroad cf sl. The Ultimate guy can do everything and always faster than Aeroad friend except descent.
Do the same study wherein you have attacking style riding instead of steady on the flat and steady on the climb, more like a race with repeated accelerations and then slower sections as well.
Same event but total watts over the course when one drafts the other. My guess is that weight will come out less. A smart rider drafts when possible. You are right as this represents a TT
Having ridden several Gran Fondos, the timed sections tend to be on climbs. Riding at threshold for the uphill would simulate the timed sections of a GF.
anyone ride a climbing bike with zero aero frame and ride behind a groups drifting,already beats that aero bikes gain and countless points gains.only best answer is the tt,aniway that aero bike is quite tempting ,thanks for the video
My rides include a lot of climbing in Colorado so I'd go for the lightweight bike. Plus it would "feel" awesome. I guess it depends on what type of riding you do.
Thanks, GCN, and I never tire of these comparisons, tho' it seems they are pretty much equal. And my decision would be made on looks, I like dropped stays but not the severe ones, so here I would choose the light bike. But color is important, too, and price, of course. And I'm happy for aero fans that they have aero bikes. :)
Nothing wrong with thinking about the looks! The most important thing is you are excited to go out riding. Ride the bike that fires you up 🔥
Given that when I get dropped it's almost always on climbs, I'd opt for the aero bike and have a solid excuse. That said, I ride a bike that makes me happy because of its ability to perform in all terrains and is especially sharp in twisty descents and cornering, a Pinarello Dogma F 10. In short ride the bike on which you feel the best.
this Video so helpful.
Can u compare with Semi aero bike such as Cervelo Soloist
Cervelo R5 (Light weight)
Cervelo Soloist (Semi aero)
Cervelo S5 (Aero)
My 2021 Zanatta XCrossweighs in at 6,70kg ‘i’ve put thousands of km ‘s on it and it a great all round bike
I’ve been waiting this experiment. Now i know which bike for me. Comfort is more important.
another great video lads! actually my favourite ride seems to be some kind of Frankenstein-Bike: a pretty light Ridley Fenix SL with some more endurance orientated geometry. A convenient position is with one 0.5mm spacer. Bike is equipped with rimbrakes and 60mm carbon aero wheels. rideready at 7.1kg. light and aero :-)
It sounds fast 🚀🚀
@@gcntech right. You can't blame the bike;-)
Ok, but if you were running a very high end bike, where the minimum UCI weight limit governed overall weight, an aero bike like the Aeroad CFR with some lighter aero wheels than those it comes standard with - Caden 65’s, for example - versus an Ultimate CF SLX with similar depth wheels - if the weight were the same, it’d be a no brainer, right? Or is there something else that might make an aero bike slower on a climb?
I think a big part of the similar times is the aero-ness of today's lightweight bikes. Carbon tech just keeps getting better and a lightweight aero bike is evolving. Great times we live in!
IMHO Get both.. or make your aero bike as light as you can. For me, gearing matters on a GF ride too, and use aero clothing (judging by your other recent vid!) great vid Btw!
I have a specialize tarmac and a vengue. The vengue looks great, but my tarmac gives me faster times and more comfortable
I just purchased a lightweight aero bike.
Not that the aero bike is light per se, it's just that my current bike is a 9kg aluminium bike. So it's win win for me!
Nice! I bet you're excited to give it a spin
@@gcntech I've waited months to be able to actually order the bike so yeah. Can't wait to be fully Oli... euh Aero!
I am a beginner and Zone 2 riding is daily business for me . that's why i love flat sections .
Would have been nice to have this comparison between the Canyon ultimate and aeroad or other models that share the same geometry!
All well and good assuming you are capable of adopting an aero position for extended periods of time. We are not all 25 years old or ex pro cyclists!. To a lot of riders a comfortable riding position is far more beneficial over any meaningful distance.
This. An aero bike is pretty useless if you're sitting up on the hoods for a couple of hours.
What tire setup was used .love these kinds of comparison videos!
awesome video, appsolutely had bike envy watching this... get them in that bike volt
Get some 60-65mm rims on the aero bike and some 30mm on the light one. That ahold reflect the reality more.
our body is like 75% of the aero part - so with the aero bike being driven in the hoods against a lightweight bike being driven in aero position - i dont see how you can compare that?
After digesting tons of promoting content about aero bikes on the internet I have spent more than 6000$ and bought a latest Scott FOIL. The bike is really good but after riding it I can easily say that it didn't add any crucial value to my ride. My rim braked 2022 TCR Advanced 2 with standart Campy Zonda climbing wheels is just good enough for everything. Actually TCR is still more attractive to me but since I paid 6000$ I am lying to myself and riding the Foil xD The only thing I can say about aero bikes is YOU WILL NEVER NEED AN AERO BIKE if you are not a pro. Even if there is a real life difference, it would be so small that you probably don't see any benefits on any type of cycling event that you attend. What I suggest is forget aero bikes, electronic shifting, disc brakes and other hypes on the internet. If your bike is relatively light and responsive and has a comfortable ride you already have more than enough. Instead of spending lots of money on bike upgrades, spending on items like power meter, a good cycling computer, an indoor trainer or even a pair of better shoes will be much more beneficial for you.
@@the_real_cansin Wow. Thanks.
A better test would be to ride together, then compare the average wattages. (You would adjust for the difference in your body weights by carrying additional gels.)
I would say that for those who are less strong cyclists and not that fast the benefits of a lightweight bike may stack up better against an aero bike. Generally such a rider won’t be going that fast on the flats so while aero gains exist the differences are smaller as the speed is less. It is more likely they find riding on the flat ok but more likely to struggle up hills where the lightweight bike will give them more advantage.
How many times can they make the same video, I’ve seen a title similar to this like 10 times on this channel
In terms of looks many people attracted to aero me and myself too
I don't have any experienced of both
bcoz its my first time to owned low budget endurance/climbing RB it was 10kg
Some expert say and professional cyclist prefer lightweight over aero
The new propel is both aero and lightweight, but not cheap 😉
Nice test, were the wheels on both bikes of the same quality, standard ? Feel a deviation here would skew the test results. Also were you both consistent in your position, ie in the drops on flats etc !
Ollie is quality…✊
Hey, I have an idea for your next experiment… which saves more watts in a draft, aero or lightweight?
Like both bikes will be behind another rider at constant speed (30/40kph). Then, compare the watts needed to sustain that speed to each other.
Didn't mention which bike was more comfortable!
Great little test. Have any of you ever testet the danish brand Pronghorn? or Python for that sake?? Could be great if you did some reviews and testing in Denmark as well since we are many cyclists just as keen of bicycling as GCN folks.
At 97 kg a lightweight bike seems a bit silly for me, and at 188 cm an aero frame isn't going to help much either.
Furthermore, since I do all of of my own maintenance the concealed cables and hoses of the modern aero bikes make them a difficult to work on. So I'll gladly take a 3-4 W loss to have easier maintenance .
@GCNTech - Maths worked? Wow! Does this mean an Aero bike is better for Fondos than Endurance bike?!? Would love this test as a Aero vs Endurance!
I am saving up for the Cervelo R5. Guess "lightweight" won for me. But I was sold on the descending. I don't ride for races, we climb hills up to go down
i think I'm leaning towards a lightweight bike for myself. As someone that relatively light and only puts out about 100W my power to weight ratio might struggle to make the most of the aerodynamic benefits (also based on me not buying the latest and greatest lightweight aero bike).
Living next to a large hill I'm assuming I'd stand more to gain from the climb, versus the watt savings on the descent (also taking into account my lack of descent skills)
I could be wrong about my assumptions though.