Bishop Winans On Preachers Charging To Preach!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In a recent sermon, Bishop Marvin Winans Sr. delivered a powerful message on the importance of being thankful for the gifts God has bestowed upon each of us. He emphasized that these gifts are used for God’s glory, not for personal gain. #religion #youtube #church
I am the son of a former full-time evangelist who never charged for preaching. I have seen God bless him in ways that are incredible. He once preached an entire week's revival and received $25.00. However, his wife and four children (all boys) never went hungry, lights stayed on, never got evicted, none of that. He said God told him that if he took care of His business, then God would take care of us. I am living proof that God kept his promise. Those preachers who think this is a lucrative business better beware. A great fall is coming.
Amen!!! ❤ thats proof God will sustain despite what people say
Amen🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾✝️✝️✝️
Infact, a hurricane is coming. I and my wife once hosted a crusade in an economically-deprived village. Bought packaged food and packaged lots of used clothes still in order. Then we reached out to preachers to help us be the vehicle of God's Word to that community. Well, first guy said unless he was paid XYZ amount, he was not going to preach. Since when did God run out of preachers? Anyway, another preacher opted to do it for free, later telling us God showed him that the kind of open doors coming was something beyond our imagination. Of course, God showed up big time in our lives.
@@kevinbouknight1308 that’s totally different, your dad said God said run the revival. He’s talking preachers getting invited to a conference and they charge for airfare, hotels ect and a deposit before they even come. Now if you’re unknown he’s not talking about those kind of preachers 🤷🏽♂️
@@tc3354 I think hotel and airfare and food are acceptable, especially if traveling away from home. If the church doesn't want to pay that, find someone local.
But the honorariums may be ridiculous. So high that multiple offerings need to be held to cover the visiting church or preacher, and let the begging begin...
We don't need all of that energy.
But most importantly, follow God's direction and follow him. In all things.
Bishop Winans a real one and nobody can tell me any different.
I agree that no pastors should be paid the huge fees to preach the word, but a free will offering is good. Being in the ministry is profitable and lucrative, and many pastors are in it for the money and not for the calling. Many pastors live the lifestyle of the rich and famous while many in the church are struggling financially. We got to do better in the body of Christ.
I agree with the point. But preachers shouldn't be punished for fiscal irresponsibility of people in the church. Many of them struggle because of their own financial mismanagement.
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I agree with your point concerning freewill offering but the church should hold on to this point when the freewill offering is a huge amount just as when it's a small amount which affords the preacher a better lifestyle. (ect)
When it's a small amount we say God bless you but when it's substantial we need to hold on to the fact that it is also freewill...
🎉Friend of mine went to preach at a church, paid his own travel expenses, housing ECT...The church rewarded him with a fruit basket😮... Another went to preach and was given thousands.(Charged)
Here's what I often see and really don't understand... In today's world, when a preacher charges a fee he/she is paid in the thousands but when given the opportunity to freely give then it's a different story ..
I believe in the fr❤eely receive/give rule but the body of Christ needs to be accountable in supporting this charging fee rule ..
It's a gift and should not be charged but as the body of Christ we should have the love and decency to at least pay for the packaging😂
@@BigE507And far too often their "fiscal irresponsibility" stems from responding to constant "sow a seed of faith" messages and prosperity teachings that convince people that they have to pay money to preachers to be blessed. Nobody in your family is poor and struggling because they believe it's a wonderful thing.
@@jrn2861Right! It only works when everybody is a giver. Some people are not able to give much and shouldn't be penalized, however.
I asked a preacher to come and preach a Friday night service at my church, and his secretary told me I had to give him $5000 to show up, pay his flight, the flight of 3 of his assistants, cover their hotel and ground transportation fees. If I had done all of that I could have easily spent $10,000 for a Friday night service that would probably have generated $2000. WHY DO THOSE PEOPLE think we owe them so much because they have some Gospel awards? I just wanted him to preach a Friday night service. I let the matter alone and kept moving...others may spend that kind of money but I won't. In 44 years of preaching, I have never charged a dime... If you get me there, get me back, and feed me, and don't leave me outdoors in the rain, I'll come and preach for you...because that's what the old preachers would have done.
Let me say this right now. God is preparing me for some things and I couldn’t figure out for the longest what I was supposed to see in this season. But just this morning by looking at God’s provision and the timeliness of it I began talking to God and noticing how God truly does know not only what we need but when we need it. I resolved in myself that this season is about learning to trust God for provision and trusting that if I don’t have it at this moment that when I need it God will provide it. Now going into this season God said to me, I will take care of you. But there was a disconnect for me because of being anxious about everything that I was facing, I had forgotten. I thank God for a tough season and that he allows me to stay in long enough so that I can see that he’s just showing me that he’ll do what he said as a father who provides for his kid. This sermon is absolutely right. Timothy tells us this also
Thank you for your testimony. It gave me a clear understanding.
Thank you for those words. That's how I had been feeling. Blessings 🙏🏽
Tell it Bishop Winans!!
Great biblical teaching. The Lord is coming back for His church, we have to get our house and hearts in order.
Well pastor Winans I go to a small 10 member church in East Chicago Indiana. We would love to have you preach the word.
See if he comes and I can assure you that he "charges" a lot of money and requires 1st class and a limo.
@@angielup8434big facts
@@angielup8434do you know this or are you speaking out your butt
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@@angielup8434lol
My childhood Pastor always said God will always take care of his preacher
I bet he has some
Of the most gifted musicians and I bet they get paid 🤝🏾
Musicians are trained … which they probably paid for … lessons, equipments, etc. that’s different than a gift to preach …
Hw most definitely has some good ones!!! I'm sure he pays them well.
@@blackbox1911 it’s not… all musicians didn’t go to school/take lessons just as some preachers didn’t take a course in theology.
@@blackbox1911 It costs WAY MORE to learn how to preach the word of God correctly than to learn how to play a musical instrument. if it were easy and truly "free", then everyone could preach to themselves. Matthew 10 refers to the DISCIPLESHIP TRAINING process. Once a person is trained to be a minister of Christ, they absolutely deserve to be PAID WELL for preaching, teaching, delivering, etc. Just like every other SKILL.
The Cost of Being a Disciple (Luke 14)
25A large crowd was following Jesus. He turned around and said to them, 26“If you want to be my disciple, you must, by comparison, hate everyone else-your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple. 27And if you do not carry your own cross and follow me, you cannot be my disciple.
28 “But don’t begin until you count the cost. For who would begin construction of a building without first calculating the cost to see if there is enough money to finish it? 29Otherwise, you might complete only the foundation before running out of money, and then everyone would laugh at you. 30They would say, ‘There’s the person who started that building and couldn’t afford to finish it!’
31 “Or what king would go to war against another king without first sitting down with his counselors to discuss whether his army of 10,000 could defeat the 20,000 soldiers marching against him? 32And if he can’t, he will send a delegation to discuss terms of peace while the enemy is still far away. 33So you cannot become my disciple without giving up everything you own.
34 “Salt is good for seasoning. But if it loses its flavor, how do you make it salty again? 35Flavorless salt is good neither for the soil nor for the manure pile. It is thrown away. Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand!”
Paul: Those who are taught the word of God should provide for their teachers, sharing all good things with them. (Galatians 6:6)
Elders who do their work well should be respected and paid well, especially those who work hard at both preaching and teaching. (1 Timothy 5:17)
It all begins with God gift, then comes training for effective preachers. I do think the same folks would be mad if he said I am charging for utilities not preaching. I notice this a black church issue due to poverty. I hardly ever see other races fight about this.
powerful teaching, thanks
Thanks so much. I have heard that today some preachers deamand you sign a contract, guaranteeing their offering before they come. We should have rejected the "contract" years ago. Instead, some agreed to sign a contract plus make a deal for the famous "seed" offering at the end of the service where they fleece the congregation and split the proceeds. Amazing how many pastors have participated and prospered with this practice. Shows they have no faith.
If you read the Word, "seed" had nothing to do with money. (Doctrine of men). It was about the Word of God. People get fleeced because they don't know the Word of God for themselves. Paul asked for money once, but it was not for himself. He was admonishing the people to send money to people in Jerusalem who were in need. He himself did not take 'offerings' because he didn't want to give people the wrong impression given his stance on taking money. He was supported by one church that felt it was their purpose to do so although he did not ask nor request. He did not receive "offerings, seed or otherwise" everywhere he went. Preachers ask for lots of money because they build these gigantic houses for God. God only had one temple built where he wanted to interact with the people and Solomon built it. Old testament. He told preachers preachers to "go into all the world and preach the Gospel", not build some gigantic edifice and sit in it. God doesn't need a house because the the people are the temple in this dispensation. New testament. People should read and learn the Word of God so you know the difference between what God has said and what ministers of the gospel say. There's an old saying, "... eat the fish and spit out the bones".
Yes, he should teach this at the ministers class.
@@Shannon-gr7rm If you think he goes to minister for free you’re insane 🤣
Music is free gift. Which can heal the sick, deliver the oppressed. There are gospel artists who won’t go unless the fee is paid.
And Marvin Winans is one of those gospel artists😂😂
Facts
Didn't he address that? It's very different doing a concert and preaching the gospel
Is he? When is the last time he performed? @@Am71919
@@pearl0818 a lie from hell. Don’t make excuses. God said specifically in scripture that his gifts and callings are without repentance. The creator speaks jointly about gifts and callings. Both are given freely. This is scripture.
This is especially true when it comes to getting a prophetic word.
Exactly! Like telling ppl to sow on the word…
I agree with this teaching. Preachers are taking the mick for what they charge. I do agree with an Honary love offering. But not charging such a high fee. Remember the gospel is free!
Not in some of today's churches. Some churches won't baptize you, christian your babies, marry you or bury you if your "fees aren't up to date".
Not charging to preach. Charging for time and sacrifice of traveling and leaving my home and family.
If preachers didn’t charge, churches would use them. Example, a church would book TD JAKES “for free”. Knowing he’s bringing a crowd of thousand. They collect offering. Make tens of thousands off TD JAKES coming to preach at their church. And don’t pay him anything. 🤔. Every small church would book big time preachers to make money 💴
Do what God called you to do and let him provide for your needs!
There is a clear distinction between requiring something as a minister and the church’s responsibility to take care of those who are providing ministry. No one should not require a certain amount but it is a shame to have a pastor who takes care of his members full-time and they fail to take care of him
Well spoken, Pastor. And taken from the Word.
Send this to Juanita Bynum. She needs to hear it.
😂😂😂 FACTS!!!
I really want to hear the entire sermon, because I need to understand context. This was in the beginning of ministry for the disciples so they would learn to depend on GOD vs. their natural abilities to provide for themselves. But in Luke it says this: Luke 22:35-37 NKJV
[35] And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing." [36] Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. [37] For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."
I've never agreed with "honorariums" however I do understand that there are those who lack integrity and will only do what is required of them.
Amen!!!! Tell the truth.
The Late Bishop Benjamin Jerome Crouch always said that if you preach under the anointing and bless the people, they will automatically give because they were blessed. I called Bishop Winans office over 5 years ago. I asked what were his requirements to come and preach and was told that he was receives a free will offering. I told my pastor, and we just looked at each other. Pastor responded, "we will in the future."
If I was a Pastor, I could not even ask for a free will offering.
Also, if I was a gospel singer, no charge.
To come to a church.
This must also be applicable to choirs, singers, musicians, praise and worship leaders etc.!
It's not. In I & II Chronicles, it breaks down the music department and talks about how the music team was paid in Gold, Silver & Housing. And the book of Nehemiah talks about how the musicians marched out in the field in protest, until the Temple paid them their just due. A lot of Pastors don't expect us (I'm a retired Music & Arts Director) to know our bible, but it's important to know for yourself!
Those are gifts and talents, but contrary to popular belief, they are NOT ministry. Music is definitely referenced throughout the bible, but if you look up the occasions music was encouraged, nowhere was it used for the ministry of the Great Commission. Music has it's place but it does not save. Only the preaching of the Gospel saves. Anyone can sing along with a song, but only Believers can worship! The only thing ministers were commanded to do was preach the gospel because it's by the preaching of the Gospel that men are saved. Read about the 5-fold ministry. This is what was ordained by God to get his word out to the people. And they didn't have bibles. They didn't have churches like we have today. Ask yourself why is it that we have so many "denominations"?
@@d.a.5912only the preaching of the Gospel saves?… So if someone does not enter the sanctuary on Sunday to hear the word and then choose to be saved they can’t be saved?… God can save anywhere. We can’t put God in a box like that.
Music has the power shift atmosphere, it most definitely can save especially if God is in it.
Great sermon👌
I agree with the view point of many concerning freewill offering but the church should also hold on to this point when the freewill offering is a huge amount just as when it's a small amount which affords the preacher a better lifestyle. (ect)
When it's a small amount we say God bless you but when it's substantial we need to hold on to the fact that it is also freewill...
🎉Friend of mine went to preach at a church, paid his own travel expenses, housing ECT...The church rewarded him with a fruit basket😮... Another went to preach and was given thousands.(Charged)
Here's what I often see and really don't understand... In today's world, when a preacher charges a fee he/she is paid in the thousands but when given the opportunity to freely give then it's a different story ..
I believe in the fr❤eely receive/give rule but the body of Christ needs to be accountable in supporting this charging fee rule ..
It's a gift and should not be charged but as the body of Christ we should have the love and decency to at least pay for the packaging😂❤
Amen
Good word, Bishop Winans! Amen!
This is great. I KNOW that this very unpopular amongst preachers!
Preach Preacher!
His sister charges speaking fees to be on programs. Cece charges to preach and to sing.
What does that have to do with pastor Marvin winans that's his sister do that not him
Amen 🙌
Based on this channel a lot of preachers use the pulpit to air grievances and annoyances as opposed to teaching the gospel.
That's why people get duped. They don't get the true Word of God. Just traditions and doctrines of men.
Don’t you realize that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple? And those who serve at the altar get a share of the sacrificial offerings.
In the same way, the Lord ordered that those who preach the Good News should be supported by those who benefit from it.
1 Corinthians 9:13-14
I’m just shocked the saints don’t know the word………
@@patwilson1257 that's why false prophets are on the rise because the saints don't read their word.
@@lemogangmonnahela9091 this is so true.
I hope you understand that "supported" means having assistance when a need is present and made known.
I have the support of my Church, family and friends and they all have my support.
In a covenant system of support, there are no charges or invoices; only readily available assistance.
@@gamefacexxixI’m not sure which translation they used, but the Greek, and most English translations for that matter say “those who proclaim the gospel should live of the gospel”, meaning that’s how they make their living. Just as how the priest in the temple made their living from their service in the temple, hence the analogy.
Amen Amen 🙏
This is my Pastor of PC in Detroit
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I bet they pay him a lot. Jesus said those who preach the gospel should earn their living by the gospel 1 Cor 9:14
Jesus did not say that. LOL Please read the entire passage especially verses 15-17.
They are called hucksters and there are lots of them.
This principle, IMO, should apply to those who wanna be paid musicians.
As a Pastor myself, I have had the same experience. I commend Pastor Winans for talking with the pastor and still having him. I admit the few times I’ve gotten that kind of letter, I would cancel/retract the request for them to come. But I don’t think Winans is saying a minister should/must not accept what is given, etc (certainly that’s not what that text is saying); he’s saying charging people a certain amount, etc. It is biblical, and just plane right, to share in a financial way with someone sharing God’s Word..unless the church can’t afford to, and that should be shared when inviting them..we can’t pay you. A preacher worth their weight should still go if they can afford the expenses. But having that conversation with someone inviting you to preach God’s Word as if this is a business transaction, is so distasteful and ungodly. I am sure I will never like that. Smh
I remember one time I went to holy convocation and they were charging people to come in to hit a word of God and I made a big stink. I hit him with Isaiah 55 and they had no choice, but they let me in or disobey the word of God.
I know a pastor that was willing to submit himself and go work at Popeye's part-time before taking the money from the church.. the executive board told him to take the church money and he refused
He charge to sing and preach himself! Stop the madness
Righttttttttttt!
How do you know that? Do you have evidence?
@@pearl0818 If you think he’s taking engagements for nothing you’re insane! And he’s famous! Get on somewhere acting slow!
That’s not true pastor winans told me to cover his flight & room , he never charged me anything to preach get your facts straight my brother
This is true they do ask that you cover their room and flight. He doesn’t ask for an offering or paycheck to preach. That doesn’t mean he won’t accept what you give him. Any man would be foolish not to accept a love gift or offering for services. If he sings that’s another story. Singing is how he pays the bills, he still get royalties from his albums.
Thank You God!!! If Yeshua had charged the first converts, we'd still be lost!!! Praise God for his PERFECT PLAN FOR ALL OF OUR LIVES!!!
......if you freely receive....., that is so right sir!!! Thank you for this message! I was once chastised for calling my younger cousin by his born name...instead of Rev. _____! "Yeshua" never did!!!!!
Not even w/Mother and siblings!
His singing is a gift...doesnt or didnt he charge? 🤔🤫 Just saying...
Wow!
They should not be charging a big fee or require their entourage to come. Like assistants or "armor bearer" should not have to come with them. They are just being selfish.
I need his booking information... We have a Men's conference coming up in November. Would love to have him share his gifts.
So, we can book Bishop Winans for free? Bet. LOL!
Pastors shouldn’t but they do. In fact, Winans is expensive! 😩🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Some are going to hell for a dollar bill
Two questions: 1) Does his church practice tithing (which is a spiritual ponzi scheme for most preachers today)? 2) Why does he need someone to read for him IF he knows how to read himself?
Right! And yes he's a big proponent of tithng
Yes we tithe and he's the biggest tither!
@mrbutchie28 Can you show me in Scripture where tithing is equivalent to money in the Old Testament and New Testament?
YOU ARE WRONG AND OUT OF OUT…GO SITCHO UNBIBLICAL AZZ DOWN SOMEWHERE…..TITHES AND OFFERINGS ARE THE ONLY BIBLICAL WAY TO SUPPORT GOD’S CHURCH!!!!!
@@thebcvbookchapterversepodc7886 in the old and new testament wasn't agriculture and having livestock their form of currency... gold and sliver? Didn't Abraham give a tenth of all he had to melchizedek? And isn't Jesus made a high priest after the order melchizedek forever? Tithing is an act of faith.
You cant be a COGIC Minister and not get paid!!!!
Why not
Amen🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Good word 😂 See if yall can get the bishop to come preach at your church. For free of course, given the gift and everything
That’s the book!
I agree! How dare you charge crazy fees just to preach the Word of God? They should collect an offering. People give what they can and that's it! If you were truly called to preach then God will take care of the rest, making sure you have what you need. You shouldn't charge money to pray for people or to teach them how to pray either. It's ridiculous. Get out there and get a job like everyone else to foot your expensive lifestyle if that's the case!!!
What if it’s a big church with financially stable people so the free will offering is large?
@@MillionaireJoe as long as it's a free will offering, I don't feel like there is nothing wrong with that. However, a lot churches have a lot of single Mothers and elderly in them.
More than likely Bishop doesn't charge but that don't mean the church still don't put some change in his pocket. That's still not charging. Ijs
13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?
14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:13-14
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I have a lot of preachers in my family. I have friends that are ministers or are married to ministers. Based on what they've told me this topic is a problem
1. If the preacher is greedy or
2. If the host church gets shady about the agreed upon honorarium. You might be surprised at how some churches deceive preachers and singers and rip them off.
No one should be charging ridiculous amounts to preach. But imagine getting invited to preach long distance 3 times in one month. If you're preaching for free does that mean that you're paying for 3 roundtrip flights? What about hotel stays and food? What if you turned down extra shifts at your regular job to preach for free? Most people would quickly go broke doing that.
"There is no such thing as a free lunch" applies to this situation. The only person who gets anything for free is the person receiving the free lunch. Someone had to buy the ingredients . Someone was paid to prepare and serve the lunch. If the lunches are delivered someone paid for the vehicle, insurance and gas. They also paid someone to transport the lunches.
Yes we trust the Lord. But we still need to do right by people and stop acting crazy when it comes to church and money. A little common sense goes a long way.
I heard "Tell them to prepare for God's tornado, His wrath, and sudden judgment coming against the WICKED, and the HOSTILE moods they will be in." When you speak/pray, please cast the witches and demons into God's tornado. EVERY knee bows to Jesus. God's people hold on. That new income will come. Landlord support and relief efforts but you've got to hold on. Buckle up your seatbelts, helmets on. No arguments or fighting. Sing to God, read your Bible, and rest in Him. It's for a brief time and God WILL NOT FAIL.
The Word of God says this in 1 Timothy 5:18, “A workman is worthy of his hire.”
It tells us that individuals who submit their ‘gifts’ for the work of the ministry should be compensated (blessed, honored, paid) appropriately for their efforts.
I have a problem with those who send ‘Riders’ (which is the contract or agreement Bishop was trying to remember…).
But I realize that the Riders were put in place because oftentimes individuals were not honored (or compensated) - so a mechanism had to be put in place to address the issue.
It is way out of hand at this point!
SN: I went to a Winan’s concert back in the day… The tickets cost me a GRIP!!! Marvin and all the brothers got PAID!!!
Since the Bishop has changed his tune - does that mean I can get a refund? (I could use that $105 back right now!)😂
1 Corinthians 9.
Interesting segment of what looks like some teaching that he is doing at some kind of Bible study session. In it's purest form Winans is on point. Now I'm about to write something that I'm probably going to get some major pushback on. A lot of these revivalists, evangelists, prophets, singers/psalmists, or whatever other titles folks are giving themselves are pure entertainers. Moreover, a lot of these churches , fellowships or whatever else names we give our churches, bring these high profile people in to draw people for the purpose of making a profit. Consequently, I think is very disingenuous of Winans to convey with a straight face that these people should not require x amount of dollars to perform. I will leave it right there.
1 Corinthians 9:9-14
9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? 10 Does he not certainly speak for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. 11 If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 12 If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more?
Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. 13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? 14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel
If you CULTIVATE the gift and paid to go to “school and training” - Like gifted doctors, architects, electrician, musician, PREACHERS - there’s a charge!
I strongly and respectfully disagree. There is a difference between a natural vocation and a high calling from God. I do have a natural vocation and yes there was a charge for my schooling. I also attended religious schooling that cost as well but that in itself was a choice that had no bearing of influence in anyone's calling as far as God is concerned.
Attending Bible College is good but should never be perceived or understood as a necessity to one's call. Of course to offer one's service for these natural vocations there is a charge and should be ( Doctor , Lawyer)need to earn a living. However, I believe we can agree that God has created a system in his church to provide for his ministers in which the charging of a fee has never been allocated. My house shall be called a House of prayer.
How income is generated between an earthly vocation and a heavenly calling, I believe, should not be in the same conversation. Freely receive freely give. God never blessed anyone with some prophetic gifts to go around charging people to make money even though it seems as if this is the case with many citing that if a Doctor or Lawyer charges a fee then they should be able to as well.
To be a Preacher of the Gospel is a High Calling from God and I do agree that as the body of Christ just as we have received of the gift freely we are also in-debted to God to be a tremendous blessing to these Ministers of the Gospel even more so.
And with that said 🤔I also believe that there should be a limitless cap on what such a minister is given freely. Reason. Some people speak against preachers charging a fee and support the notion that the congregation should have an opportunity to give freely. Fine🙄 but however, what happens when it's a large congregation and Bill Gates and Elon musk and all those guys are in the congregation and is digging very deep to be a blessing to the preacher 😂🤣….. are we still going to hold on to the freely received doctrine and allow the visiting preacher to leave with possible million's that were freely given? 👏😂
The Bible teaches that a Workman is worthy of his labor.
So therefore on a personal note I believe that at the end of the day a true Minister of the Gospel should never have to worry or be distracted from their God ordained mission because they lack fund's in today's world.
I believe that the calling of a Preacher to represent Jesus Christ is a more prestigious and delicately responsible job in the world today even more so than any doctor lawyer or President. Therefore, how we handle them in the Body of Christ should financially reflect that and in my sincere opinion should be far greater than any fees charged.
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I'm cool with it but wonder if he charfe to go sing
He probably charges to preach too
And a lot of these preachers rely on the honorarium and offerings to support them. They need to get a regular 9-5 to support their living. Do not rely on a church to support you. Many of these popular evangelist and preachers have steams of income.
Or people who have regular 9-5s can study the Bible on their own if they don't want to pay a preacher to DO THE WORK FOR THEM. They should also FAST, PRAY, AND STOP SINNING to get the authority over demons to deliver themselves. 😁Why should preachers work TWO JOBS to do what each Christian is required to do for themselves?
Paul: Elders who do their work well should be respected and paid well, especially those who work hard at both preaching and teaching. (1 Timothy 5:17)
Peter: Cheerfully share your home with those who need a meal or a place to stay. (1 Peter 4:9)
Caring for the Lord’s Workers
John: Dear friend, you are being faithful to God when you care for the traveling teachers who pass through, even though they are strangers to you. They have told the church here of your loving friendship. Please continue providing for such teachers in a manner that pleases God. For they are traveling for the Lord, and they accept nothing from people who are not believers. So we ourselves should support them so that we can be their partners as they teach the truth. (3 John 1:5-8)
With great respect to you, Bishop Winans I am your biggest fan but as a pastor I have to correct this preaching is not a gift. It is a calling. You may be a gifted orator and are called preach and secondly perhaps I need refunds on all the tickets I purchased to Winans concerts in the 80sand 90s you cannot charge for something you were given and did not deserve
Y'all go off on bits and pieces of message you can listen to it in its entirety on perfecting churches RUclips channel
@@mrbutchie28 did you feel that way if all the responses were positive would you still say we should check out the whole message before we respond? Probably not people just don’t like critique furthermore, if you put out bits and pieces and don’t be surprised when people respond to the bits and pieces you put out.
But didn't bible say "let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter"
Secondly in ephesians 4 didn't God give some gifts unto men and what were those gifts?
@@mrbutchie28 my point is you’re only saying that because all the responses were not positive if all of the responses were positive you wouldn’t have had a problem with anything that was said you only have a problem with what was said because it wasn’t all positive. And if you want people to hear the conclusion of the matter, then put out the conclusion don’t put out part.
I believe the word he's looking is honorarium, which like Pastor Winans, I never grasp the concept demanding one to share the word.
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The bible says muzzle not the ox a servant is worthy of his hire
... so that means that they are given something for their labor HOWEVER that doesn't mean that its a set price tag on what is given to the extreme of "honorarium demands, riders" and other foolishness. We've got to do better.
I mean it says somewhere in the BOOK Proverbs 18:16....I believe A mans Gifts maketh room for him! its to make a way for him in life.....give him access to important people ect....Bishop Winans? I hear what you are saying - But you get a paycheck as a Bishop - you get a paycheck also as a gospel artist......Now maybe the preacher is asking to much? that could be
The Bible talks about a double portion, half which included a reasonable wage. Yes we should pay them. People have a stereotype, because some abuse getting paid, no one should, and that’s silly and immature.
So does he charge his ⛪ to preach there?😮
Same teaching needs to go to all these musicians who have treated using their gifts in service for a couple hours as a business..I’m talking those who bounce church to church over the check ..don’t even be belonging to ministries, just paid performers..making Sunday service about them and treating it like their personal concerts.
All that and all these minstrels yet no original music being written..singing the same songs for yeeeaaars.
Then stop charging for those winans albums
you teach tithes though MARVIN
Judgment awaits all of these pastors and false pastors on judgment day
I bet Marvin Winans takes a salary from the church.
So he's never charged no one to preach nor expected and honorarium? Before even watching the video i knew this would be regarding a personal experience where he invited someone to preach and then was charged too much so decided to shame him. I do not agree with Preachers charging, but i also dont agree with congregations expecting preachers to travel for free and find their own stay and fend for themselves with family at home and giving up their time. Two things can be true, we shouldn't expect them to come for free nor should they expect us to pay them. As a matter of fact i dont even get where this concept of guest speakers came from. How about equip you teachers and preachers to adequately deliver the correct interpretation of the holy writings. The only exception is if youre a starter assembly needing help for whatever reason.
Caring for the Lord’s Workers
John: Dear friend, you are being faithful to God when you care for the traveling teachers who pass through, even though they are strangers to you. They have told the church here of your loving friendship. Please continue providing for such teachers in a manner that pleases God. For they are traveling for the Lord, and they accept nothing from people who are not believers. So we ourselves should support them so that we can be their partners as they teach the truth. (3 John 1:5-8)
@@jdfodio I totally agree with this. The point is that these mega churches or establish assemblies are calling for guest preachers, why??? Only makes sense for a young assembly needing help with teaching. And yes, if they travel take care of them. Nothing I stated previous goes against this scripture.
No offense but i bet he charge. And ad a singer with the Winans...if not now early in his career...and he gets paid as a pastor. Still charging...I believe love offerings are fine but to charge...when I preach at different places never charge, love offerings were given to me if they could...The Word was more important...as long as the assignment was done and God has provide and still providing. Never believe in it...
Man, sit down. You're talking a whole lot of nothing. Says the one who was in a lot of Tyler Perrys movies and married to your second wife. Why don't you go back and red the bible on divorce and remarriage. You are unqualified to preach.
Being in a Tyler Perry movie doesn't make him wrong he didn't do or say anything ungodly in those movies.
Yes it is unfortunate that he got a divorce. But none of those things disqualify him from saying what he saying.
Have you done anything wrong and in turn in later years said something beneficial to somebody that would help them. Were you being a hypocrite or were you at a point and time of your life where you were actually qualified to tell somebody something that is right and good for them
The pastor winans isn't doing anything wrong he's preaching the truth.
If you're not willing *share* the Good News, then you don't know the Good News. To Share means to distribute what you have, freely. If people want you to come and preach, then they should cover any travel expenses and feed you - because a worker is worthy of his *food*. But that's it! Just like the priests of old (Levites), you should only accept what you need to survive the day - sustenance; not money. When you accept money, you have your reward, and it's as though you are preaching for free (having no spiritual credit).
Put your free housing and food where your mouth is.
Paul: Elders who do their work well should be respected and paid well, especially those who work hard at both preaching and teaching. (1 Timothy 5:17)
Peter: Cheerfully share your home with those who need a meal or a place to stay. (1 Peter 4:9)
@jdfodio quit 'trying' to be clever, and instead get an understanding. I will joyfully open up my home and food to those who are spreading Truth. The problem is that there's hardly anyone doing that.
Get a job or trust God….The choice is yours!
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1 Corinthians 9:9-14
9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? 10 Does he not certainly speak for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. 11 If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 12 If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more?
Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. 13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? 14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel
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