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Hellcat Pro - DPM Recoil Reduction
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- DPM makes recoil reduction systems for just about every firearm you can think of. In today's video I talk about my experiences with the DPM recoil reduction system for the Hellcat Pro. A lot of you guys have asked for this one so im really happy to bring you my thoughts on the DPM recoil system.
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To reduce recoil, replace it with a Glock. 🤓
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I just received my Hellcat Pro today, I'm in love with it, I appreciate all these detailed reviews, Thank You so much
Glad you enjoy it!
@@360TacticalSolutions It’s an impressive piece that’s forsure, best purchase this year by far.
Hey I don’t want to over step but I gotta ask, do you anything about the MCarbo all in One hellcat upgrade kits? Not sure about the trigger since everyone on RUclips seems to be going with the Apex trigger
@@omgitsafly4082 no overstepping at all. I haven't personally tested the Mcarbo set up. I do get a ton of comments about it though. I plan on reaching out to them to see if they will send me a test unit to install in my stock Hellcat Pro so I can do a side by side test with the Apex Hellcat Pro. Thats going to take a while though. I currently have 14 videos in various stages of production. Its a tight schedule lol
@@360TacticalSolutions Oh ok sounds like you have your hands full, I will probably end up going with the M carbo kit and the DPM Recoil Reduction kit, I'll save the money on the apex trigger for now, Thank You so much for the videos and for taking time to reply. 😃
I don’t understand why people say it has a lot of recoil. I’ve carried a Glock 43x for years and find it to have a much snappier recoil than the hellcat pro. So much so that I switched and the hellcat pro is now my new daily carry.
I feel the same. Its just under the M&P or the G19 in terms of recoil. Now the smaller Hellcat…that gun is stupid snappy. Its just like the M&P Shield. My least favorite guns to shoot.
I have the DPM Recoil system in my Springfield XDm Elite 10mm, it works. I have a new Hellcat (non-pro) and have found that the more I shoot it the recoil is a non-issue. This little pistol is little gem. In fact, this HK fanboy traded off his HK P30SK EDC and now favor the Hellcat, size does matter. My Hellcat paired with Liberty Ammunition Civil Defense ammo make it non-existent on the belt.
I think a lot of people struggle with getting used to the grip on the HCP. Most people get through the learning curve and do alright. I will say I’m really liking the new guidrod from Apex. I think it makes as much a difference as the DPM but at a fraction the price, even less when you use 360TS as your promo code
@@360TacticalSolutions Cool! I'll check out the Apex, everything they make is top notch. I do like their triggers.
Awesome, now I'm more on the fence. I'll have to wait to see how they work after you add the comp. Right now I have zero issues.
Honestly im good with mine stock for the most part but Im enjoying doing this testing. Taking the comp out in the morning to do the first shots. I had to cut one of my holsters to fit it today which is a downside. But we will see how it goes recoil wise
Thank you for your advice. I would have tried all of the springs in every combination. Also, I’m happy to hear you recommend the kit.
Glad it was helpful!
Made in Hellas - EU.
That is another upgrade for my Hellcat
One of my best upgrades for the hellcat. Good info 👍🏼
Next big video with it will be with the Strike Industries comp. I have a good feeling about that combination
Thank you for the review. I just got mine today. Can't wait for the weekend to try it out.
It’s a very slight change. I actually think people can benefit more from having their gun ported. I have some videos in my HCP playlist that give more information
@@360TacticalSolutions can you suggest whom to send the slid to get ported ?
@@lorenzoromagosa3828 yes Floyd’s Custom Shop. I just did a video on that if you want to take a look. Promo code in the video description
Hellcat Pro - Port Comparison
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@@360TacticalSolutions Thanks a lot mate
All pistols in the Hellcat Pro form factors will be somewhat snappy. The Hellcat RDP does have the lowest felt recoil out of the three Hellcats but I still prefer the PRO. After upgrading my Hellcat Pro to the MCarbo internals and the Holosun, optic, I am almost as fast and accurate as with my G19. That said the DPM recoil system sounds interesting since I did something similar to my 10 mm which made a big difference.
It's definitely a different feel of recoil. Maybe not a drastic reduction but definitely feels better, returns to zero easier
@@whatsup24_7 I don't agree. Before I bought the Hellcat Pro I rented both guns. The reduction in recoil for the Sig was hardly measurable and for me personally it doesn't fit my hand very well. Hand fitment varies of course which makes it come down to the facts and personal preference. Since personal preference can vary so much we can go by price. The Sig comes in $200 more than the HCP every day of the week. Price isn't everything of course, there's always capacity. While it may not seem like the Sig having an extra 2 rounds of capacity will matter in terms of concealment it actually does. When you hold them side by side you have quite a bit more grip/mag length to potentially cause printing. There are a lot of variables between these two guns but for me that added two rounds of capacity isn't worth the extra two hundred dollars. For some that might be a big bonus...$100 per extra round, but I can't justify it
@@whatsup24_7 thats exactly my point. Everyone is going to have a different experience. I paid 500 for my HCP which still puts it on average 200 less than a Macro. When I tested the Macro its difference in felt recoil was basically like the difference between the HCP with the DPM spring. Again...it's about the user. The Sig didn't fit me personally and because of that it wasn't comfortable and I didn't feel it as being a major difference from the HCP which is why I didn't buy the sig. It's the same with concealment. I didn't say it's not possible or hard to conceal but there are factors like body type, how someone dresses, what environment they live in. Those factors dictate whether that extra 2 rounds will make a difference. All in all im just saying that clearly you love the Macro and thats cool but it doesn't mean it's the solution for everyone. For me, for my math...I didn't see any area where that extra cost was justified and honestly im happy with my HCP. Id be cool with it being stock with no changes other than the red dot but the whole reason I do this is to do the testing and let people know how different upgrades worked out for me and what they might expect. At the end of the day they may not have the same experience as I do and thats why it's important people watch channels they trust. Hell I watched a dozen videos talking about how crazy the Macro was in recoil reduction and I was really let down when I finally shot one. This is how these things go
@whatsup24_7 i thought i was going to buy the macro but shot it several times 2 rentals and borrowed a friends i realized i hated it. Grip dosent work for me i have narrowed it down to a hellcatt pro a glock 48 or a walther pps m2. I have no problem concealing a 19 a walther pdp full size. This is more for dress up events a backup or a running pistol. Different strokes for different folks
@whatsup24_7 sometimes round count isn't the focus, and it's not the focus for or reason im buying the pistol . The 19 is the compact pistol, not the 48 or the 43x all those, and the hellcat pro are in the same category as the macro. I think focusing on your skill with shooting is way more important than the gun you carry. If you're proficient, it doesn't matter. You dont have to keep telling everyone the macro is the best. it's not its best for you. Not everyone else
Great video man thank you, I got the apex trigger and now this spring on the list of future upgrades for my HellCat Pro
Glad I could help
got my spring set up just like yours. bought a box of 147's to see how the gun reacted. much softer recoil.
I think dollar for dollar the porting I had done was a much better investment. Spring isn't bad but not nearly as much reduction as I had hoped
I own a hellcat pro and Taurus g3 but have fired many other like the shield and bodyguard to find one that i like.
I'm not great with a pistol but i noticed a decent difference between the HC pro and a compact liek the shield. My pro has nearly a 1000 rounds through it and i love it.
Just got my hellcat pro will be taking it out tomorrow I’ve been using the 43x so it will be nice to compare the two.
HCP is a win all day long against the 43X. Its a great gun
I own both. 43x with a JG trigger makes it much more accurate and comfortable shooting.
Hard to decide for edc so I usually cycle between both: the HCP if I want to bring a WML, my non-mos 43x if I want something more comfortable and simple.
It’s great we have options! I may have to get the DPM kit for my Pro, after your recommendation. Then again, I may save the money and see if Floyd’s will port my slide and barrel after yours is done! I’m pretty sure that cutting the slide and barrel will have the biggest effect on felt recoil and shooting flatter. Oh yeah, the Floyd’s work is so awesome as well!!!
My prediction is that the port job will be the most drastic drop in recoil and combining that with the DPM springs will be the ultimate set up
I could see the difference in your hands. You adjusted your hands less with the dpm springs. Thanks for using the graphs on the background. It helped me see the difference in recoil and I think experience shooter can see the difference.
It was a really basic way to measure it. I’m going to be revisiting the DPM springs soon except I’ll be using the Mantis X10 Elite to measure the recoil so I have some real days to show. I have the DPM spring for the 5” metal M&P that I’ll be testing very soon
Just ordered a true precision barrel, dpm system and a strike industries micro quad comp for my hellcat pro.
I just got the Strike Industries comp the other day. I was going to take it and test today but it was snowing this morning so Im waiting for tomorrow. So far I love the look of the comp but there were issues as far as holster and once I modified the holster the comp digs in pretty bad. Im going to try and fix that with a wedge but thats a Monday issue
@@360TacticalSolutions i definitely see holster issues and carry changes in my future. Hell, maybe Ill just rock a shoulder holster or I’ll turn into a Fanny pack/shoulder bag guy. Either way, I’m curious to see the affect of having the comp and the dpm system have, personally never really took issue with the recoil, but since I put a dot on it , I kinda wanna see how flat I can get it.
@@evanhaas7378 that’s the same boat I’m in. I could run this gun stock, I feel like it handles very similar to my M&P. People keep asking about these different products so I’m like ok cool I’ll check it out and see what I think and do a video.
Thanks for the video. Very helpful. I recently discovered the DPM recoil reduction system and it’s made an incredible difference for my Sig P365. I had to find the right spring length (the shortest one) which made the gun actually pleasant to shoot. I have a regular Hellcat and it is so snappy to me that I was thinking about selling it but I’m going to try the DPM on it and hopefully it helps like it did for the P365. I also have the P365 Macro comp with stock springs and that gun feels no different than a Glock 19 to me so I won’t be applying a DPM to it.
They can really be helpful
Can you please tell me if it reduced the felt recoil on the original Hellcat and what ammo you're using. Thanks!
I tried the DPM spring in the regular Hellcat and it definitely helps! It takes the “bite” away. The Hellcat is still snappy being a micro 9 but it doesn’t hurt to shoot it anymore.
@@delariverside Which spring did you use? Large, medium or small? Thanks!
I used the short spring.
I already got the DPM spring/guide rod, and I have been using it on the short spring/short end cap. Especially since my carry ammo is the light-weight Liberty Civil Defense ammunition. I agree I did not feel very much recoil before (not like a micro-nine), but with this it is only even slightly lighter... I definitely need to lighten up my tight grip and relax it a bit... but I think (before your blockbuster video on porting/comping) on the Hellcat Pro, I don't think I need those services but I know you will correct me if I am wrong (looking forward to the video!). Thank you for your insightful content!
The big question is always how does the gun handle for you. I feel like shooting my stock hellcat pro I can tell it doesn't have the Apex trigger and I hate that lol. As far as recoil goes im ok with it. I can fire decent enough groups and a decent speed that im happy with it. If not for the fact I do this channel then Id probably leave it alone. If I were a betting man though, and I really wanted to smooth the gun out...my guess is the winning combination will end up being the DPM spring with the Floyds Custom port job. Time is just dragging on and im waiting for the ported set to get finished so I can start that video lol
@@360TacticalSolutions You are probably right about the porting flattening it out more, but unfortunately like you on the S&W, I have my slide in on my Glock 19 getting a slide cut and Holosun 507C optic installed, porting and a Cerakote Coyote Tan H-235 re-finish. So my budget is busted for now...and since the recoil is not too bad on the Hellcat Pro that is likely to a wantlist item for the future... keep up the good work!
I have the HC Pro and personally do not modify my carry pistols. I also believe I do not notice any more or any less recoil than other guns in this size or comparison.
I dont think theres anything wrong with modifying a carry gun as long as you are buying parts you trust and have done your research. As far as recoil goes I agree the HCP is average. The recoil reduction though can be a benefit for all users, especially those with physical issues like carpel tunnel, people missing fingers or who have old shoulder injuries. There are a lot of reasons someone may want to reduce recoil
I dont really have an issue with the recoil in my Hellcat Pro. I put the TLR-7 sub on mine and it helped but still nothing to complain about. I also run Winchester Defender 124 grain +p. Oh I also use the APEX trigger.
I don't have an issue with mine either. I control it really well. But after having several people ask about different upgrades like the DPM springs I wanted to do an evaluation and let people know what I think.
@@360TacticalSolutions Ive heard about them and thought about installing those so I can run the gun smoother (military training type of stuff) but honestly I have more of a sniper mentality and accuracy so I don't see the need for it. I even removed my Shield SMSc cause of how quickly I can acquire the irons.
Some DOES make mag extensions...Springfield. They're very expensive' the cost of a 13 round Hellcat mag, but those baseplates will turn a 15 into a 17 rounder and they fit perfectly and match yhe color/texture of the frame.
Great video!!! I have the original Hellcat micro and the Pro. Just figured out that the mag pinky extension on the 11rd mag for the micro fits perfectly on the 15rd mag for the pro😍😍😍
Just wait….I have some new stuff coming for this gun in the next few weeks. Mag extensions and a magwell. Exciting stuff on the way
I wish Springfield would just make a HCP that has all of these options factory made already. For people like me that lack the know how to do it themselves.
Also, if I were to have a HCP ported and change the trigger and spring etc, wouldn't it then be as expensive as some of the others that out there that are already ported and have a good trigger and less recoil? Like the Perf Plus and the Sig?
I have found that my HCP recoils ~10% more than my XL. Despite follow-up shots being a bit slower, I cannot get myself to sell the HCP. It really is a fantastic gun, and truthfully, like alot about it more than the competition.
I ported mine. I have a video in the HCP playlist. Fantastic gun over all even though ive never liked Springfields lol
Dpm has 2 variations for the hellcat pro. The standard and the soft. The soft version says it's for running a comp
I already find 124gr +p very manageable through the pro w a tlr-7 on it and have a werkz holster that nicely fits both 👍👍 thanks for the heads up about the springs I’ll pick some up and see if it makes follow up shots feel a little smoother
So far so good. Tomorrow im taking the HCP out with the comp but I don't know what to expect with results yet.
@@360TacticalSolutions awesome I look foreword to seeing it!!
How do you like the the holster? Been eyeballing one getting a G48 and putting a EPS carry and tlr-7 sub on it
Is carrying +p smart from a legal standpoint? I can imagine prosecutors using that against you in a defensive shooting case
@@schm147 prosecutors will use anything they can against you…and as far as +p is concerned aren’t 124gr +p rounds the 9mm NATO standard?
Thanks for the insight! So glad to have someone we can trust post in depth on the Hellcat Pro. Based off your previous recommendations, I got the Apex trigger and Lakeline LLC slide release, and love them both. Would you be interested in looking into what recoil spring combination works best for you with a ported Hellcat Pro with a red dot mounted? I understand it can be personal preference, but I’d love to hear your take
I don't know why I didn't get a notification for this comment. I was just responding to another one and noticed yours. My apologies. I actually just did a review after having my HCP ported and here in the next few weeks Im planning on getting a final show down recoil reduction video completed. Ill be comparing the ported barrel, the compensated barrel, stock, DPM springs...its going to be packed with info
I'm very weary about changing recoil or striker spring in carrys. But I've found a few layers of rubber grip tape helps the recoil and feels closer to the stupid glock hump i love so much
At that point wouldnt it make more sense to carry a glock? I mean these aftermarket parts go through a ton of testing both through their manufacturers as well as third parties like myself
Appreciate what you do!
Hey thanks. Love the feedback
I have DPM on my P01 Omega fast follow up shots but a bit stiff to sling shot.Cajun gun works springs works better with the recoil.
Now that DPM has 3 springs to choose that might be a good upgrade for the Pro
The different springs and different size spring retainers really help dial it in thats for sure
Have you tried the xmacro? I find it very comparable to the pro. I own both and find the xmacro to be a little more controllable. I love both of them. I put the Apex in my pro as well. It's definitely a big difference maker
I have. Actually I bought the Hellcat Pro about two months before the magazine ban here in WA and then got my hands on the Macro when I took my HCP out for the first time. The guy that was at the gravel pit let me shoot his, we traded back and fourth. I agree the Macro has a slight advantage in the recoil department. I felt that the grip on the HCP fit my hand better than the Sig but thats going to be all personal preference. For me what it boils down to is the Sig runs on average $300 more than the Hellcat Pro. Does it have $300 worth of recoil reduction over the HCP, can I get more recoil reduction out of the HCP while spending less than $300? These are some of the answers Im trying to get to in this series. Comparing both guns side by side, stock, no upgrades at all…I‘ll take the Hellcat Pro for $550 vs roughly $900 on the xMacro because im not feeling a $300 increase in value when I shoot the Sig. Truth be told im probably going to buy one anyways because I do want to get some side by side comparisons. Im just struggling to justify the purchase right now lol
@360 Tactical Solutions I 100% agree..Tactical considerations says it best..sig makes a great 500 dollar gun for 800 bucks lol..one thing that the sig makes up for tho is the fcu and their modules so it kindaaaaa, and I stress kinda lol, makes up for their price gap. I do love them both tho..and I agree about the hcp grip texture..its possibly my fav of any pistol I own
So overall do you feel it’s worth the cost after putting a lot of rounds through it?
The short answer is no. The cost to benefit ratio doesn’t work out. My second HCP has the stock spring and has been ported by Floyd’s Custom Shop and it’s a dramatic, night and day difference compared to stock. Then I put the DPM spring in and you would never feel the difference. Your money is better spent porting. Look at my HCP playlist for the video about the port job
I went to a shooting range with OEM spring ,spend around 500 rounds or more and never hit the red dot or bulls eye,,,then last month I replaced it with DPM spring the longer spring , oh Boy, first 15 rounds ,I hit the bulls eye or red dot, 3 out of 15 shots and the rest is just outside the red circle, which is okay,by the way it’s 20 yards, probably I’m just lucky on that day. This is only my opinion my friends. Thank you.
So you found greater accuracy over all due to the change in recoil? How fast were your shots? I feel like the recoil means nothing while taking slow shots, it’s the follow ups that make the difference. I would also recommend Talon Pro grips for the gun. The extra grip and stability has made a world of difference for me
It's been my experience heavier rounds recoil more. More pressure needed to push it out
I dont know about more recoil but its a different type of recoil. The 115 has more of a snap where as something like 147 is a thud. I actually prefer 147. Just for comparison the average for 147gr is 965fps where as 115gr runs around 1165fps. I can have you load two mags and I can shoot them side by side and tell which is 115 and 147. Although it takes more energy to push the heavier projectile, they tend to not compensate for that extra weight as you can see in the bullet speed. Thats why competition shooters run 147, they get a flatter shooting experience
Higher grain 9mm = slightly more recoil, slightly less muzzle flip
Lesser grain 9mm = slightly less recoil, slightly more muzzle flip
A very honest and straightforward review, the way reviews are supposed to be. I ordered the DPM kit a couple of years ago for my 1st generation Hellcat (the original). Based on my level of shooting, I could tell a smoother, easier and better shooting experience after I did the trial and error method to find the right combination. Like almost all manufacturers, Springfield made the stock spring in the Hellcat over-torqued to the point of being ridiculous, as a way to protect themselves from lawyers and lawsuits in this country. While the DPM kit is not a perfect solution for everyone, it's worth checking out. No spring kit in the world will do ANYTHING to help if you do not have the correct grip, stance and ammunition - period. So, don't blame Springfield or DPM if you don't know how to use a micro-compact pistol the right way. I would also recommend giving a good trigger and action job to dramatically improve the ability of the Hellcat as well.
I really appreciate the comment. Seems like more and more what people want is entertainment instead of information and when they do want information they only want the information that affirms their own perspective. I think you raise a good point in your comment about corporate liability. A lot of companies do little things like add expiration dates just to save themself from a lawsuit. Makes sense they would over spring this gun as a safety precaution. Honestly now that I’ve been using a DPM spring for a while I dont think I could go back to a stock spring. There’s just too much versatility in the DPM system
@@360TacticalSolutions I agree with you 100 percent. Once you get the gun fully broken in by shooting several hundred rounds, going to the range several times to do the trial and error method of getting the DPM system set right to your individual ability, there is no going back. My stock spring has been sitting in the box my Hellcat came in for a couple of years now and I have no plans of ever using the stock spring again.
DPM now has a "soft" version of these springs for the HCP.
I wonder what “soft” is supposed to be compared to this kit
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Any update on the “soft” version…. What’s the difference? Would you only want to run the “soft” version with a comp’d HCP?
@@AM3R1CAF1RSTJAY I looked into it and the soft version is nothing more than the lightest set up that comes in the normal package. It’s the same spring set that I use in my gun. That soft version is a marketing thing. The standard package is the way to go. Depending on the ammo you use regularly you can dial in how your gun performs with it. The soft version is just the light spring
@@360TacticalSolutions So what do you recommend, shortest/lightest spring with shortest plug? I’m shooting 124grs fyi
@@AM3R1CAF1RSTJAY I’m using the shortest spring and plug combo. It’s not a drastic difference and most people arent going to pick up the difference in recoil characteristics. Porting my HCP made a huge difference whereas this spring set was very subtle
People who complain about the Hellcat Pro are the same people who hate Glock.
You either don't know anything about firearms or you legitimately just can't shoot.
Sounds like the stock spring is best
I dont know about best, but when you factor in the price its hard to justify the purchase. I actually feel the best thing for the HCP is sending it to Floyd’s Custom Shop to be ported
Thank you, Mike, for this helpful video. Did you happen to notice a difference in trying to flip the takedown lever with this new spring system? I got it for my Hellcat Micro and it seems a little more difficult to turn.
I havent really noticed a difference. I had a hell of a time with the stock lever and changed over to the Apex version. It works really well. Little sharp on top but easier to get ahold of. The different springs didnt seem to make any changes to the takedown though
Im lookin for a plug & play spring/rod assembly. Does dpm have that?
Thats essentially what this kit is except with the ability to dial in your slide movement to your individual taste. If what you are looking for is overall reduction in recoil…ive been doing extensive testing with different systems and springs and honestly dollar for dollar it’s just not enough reduction to justify the cost. I ended up getting a MantisX system to record recoil and the measurements are minimal.
Could you tell me which spring kit you used. DPM has 2, one is a 1000295 soft version and the 1000239, which has heavier springs. Thanks for the great vids.
So the soft version is supposed to be for guns that are using a comp but the spring is only slightly lighter than the lightest spring that comes in the other kit. 1000239 if that’s the correct SKU. That’s the one I’m using. In that kit I use the short spring and short spring retainer but the difference between each of the springs is minimal and hard to notice
I've thought about getting this system for my Shield .40 gen 1 model. Might be helpful.
The shield is such a tough gun in terms of recoil, I bet the 40 kicks like crazy. On the bright side...Im like 75% sure that Floyd's Custom ports the shield. That would tame it quite a bit
The review I've been waiting for. Thanks for sharing your experience. I was leaning towards running the shorter setup too just based on what I've seen, using a lighter spring on my PDP. Your opinion just confirmed that. I'm also excited to see the final results on your next project (DPM vs Comp vs Ports). It's true that on camera, felt recoil cannot be conveyed. However I think I can help with the side by side comparison project if you're interested in showing slow motion footage of all three guns under recoil. A good start would be to shoot all your footage in a higher frame rate than 24fps (60fps and up) depending on the camera you use. I figured out a way to draw reference lines in my footage to show where the gun starts (before the shot) and how high it climbs under recoil. Again, I'll be more than happy to assist with that side of the project if you're interested.
Keep up the good work.
I appreciate the comment. Thank you. I have been on the fence about a camera upgrade for a while now. I want a Sony A7S3 but I just can't justify spending the money right now. I use a Panasonic GH5 for all my in office talking shots but it's not the best suited for range footage because Panasonic makes the worst auto focus ever created lol. That leaves my Sony ZV1 for my range footage which I believe maxes out at 24FPS for 4k footage. I would actually be better off using my iPhone at 60FPS except I go shooting too early in the day for lighting conditions to be optimal for iPhone footage and it tends to be grainy to a point its almost not usable. These have been my struggles the last couple years lol.
@@360TacticalSolutions Ahah I understand the struggle. I have a GH6 and wouldn't trust it to save my life if all it had to do was focus on something...or anything for that matter. That's why I use my Olympus EM1x for my tabletops. The auto-focus is a lot better on that. But anyway, I can't wait to see those comparison tests. Take care!
@@parunbelhomme Lol I wanted to buy the GH6 but then heard the auto focus is as bad as the GH5 and figured what the hell, better to stick with what I have till I can justify the Sony A7s3. My girl said if I buy that camera I have to sell some guns to pay for it...and I don't sell my guns lol.
@@360TacticalSolutions ahaha it's a set up. Don't fall for it! I think Panasonic will finally fix that autofocus issue when they come out with a GH6 Mark II, and use the same phase detection they put on the S5 Mark II. But I'm just speculating here 🤷🏾♂️
Do you replace the OEM guide rod with the one they send in the kit or do you just change the springs?
The kit comes with a while new guidrod and springs. Their guidrod is a multi piece unit with an internal spring. Really to be honest this far out from testing…you are better off getting your HCP ported vs paying for the DPM spring. I have videos in my playlist with more information. The DPM doesn’t make enough difference to justify the cost vs porting
@@360TacticalSolutions thank you, my hellcat pro is my first fire arm so I may wait until I get another EDC before sending out for porting but definitely interested in it for sure
I don’t think it’s snappy. Love it.
I think it handles fine. Obviously it’s not quite as smooth as my 4” guns, but it’s not far off from them
I have new hellcat pro 4.4 barrel and DPM recommended soft spring set for it. What weight spring should use with comp. ???
I'm afraid to damage gun on the long run with spring that is too soft...
thank you
I have right about 2k rounds through my comped HCP on the stock spring. Thats the Strike Industries Quad Comp im using. 2k rounds, stock spring and it runs flawlessly. I couldn't say what spring weight and if the gun is running with the comp I don't know I would spend the money on a replacement spring. Changing your spring weight can actually make the gun less reliable, damage from the comp isn't going to be an issue. Start out and see how it runs with a comp. If you find it doesn't cycle reliably then I would order the DPM kit that comes with the 3 springs. That will give you the ability to dial in your spring weight to your specific comp, barrel and ammo type
The recoil is close to nothing on my hellcat pro for me. With that being said I’ve practiced and am more used to xdm 10mm g20 and 1911s in 45acp
Well yes of course, full size guns will always perform better. I find the HCP to feel close to a 4” M&P in how it handles. Its not exact but its close. When im having a carpel tunnel flare up though, I need the every advantage I can get lol
Did anyone have trouble with their order since it's in Euros?
Great review, I'm starting from a completely stock HCP and was wondering, should I upgrade the spring or trigger first? Does the Apex really make it that much better?
If I can suggest something. I upgraded to the MCarbo titanium striker kit with springs first. That alone made a huge difference. I later put the Apex trigger in. To me the apex wasn't that much of a difference, but there is one.
@@KevinFox58 What exactly was the huge difference that the MCARBO striker and spring kit made, if you don’t mind me asking?
For me the major difference with the apex was more textural. The stock trigger rubbed the corner of my finger raw. It sounds petty and stupid but after a few mags it was almost irritated to the point of a blister. The Apex feels a lot better on my finger. For me that was worth the $80, I have an Apex review video and link if you go look at my videos. As far as performance goes it did smooth the action a little bit and lighten the trigger. It comes with a trigger, return spring and striker spring.
The MCarbo set up seems to be really popular and people rave about it making the trigger smoother and adding reliability. The metal striker sleeve im sure will alleviate any issues that may come due to the stock sleeve being plastic but I have a relatively high round count on my gun and I trust it 100%. Not to say Mcarbo isn't worth it, I just haven't seen anything that makes me feel like it can have more reliability than it already does. People do say the Mcarbo set up does make trigger function a lot smoother than stock and just looking at the springs that come in the kit, I would lean toward believing it. I just don't put a lot of weight into the claim of added reliability. Thats not a metric that I can really measure because I haven't seen a reliability issue.
In your case I would lean toward the Mcarbo upgrade first as long as either you are mechanically inclined and can do the upgrade or are willing to take it to a gunsmith to do it. The recoil reduction spring won't be something that you will feel enough change to justify the purchase. I would say that this DPM system is more like fine tuning your recoil vs reducing it.
@@360TacticalSolutions excellent advice, thank you so much
What was the difference with the short and long spring retainer?
Hardly a measurable difference. I would be willing to bet that most people aren’t going to feel it
I have an HCP and honestly I don't get why people complain about it having bad recoil..I used to carry the bersa Bp9cc, now that was super snappy!
Grip, stance and practice! Don't be a wuss!
While I do agree that stance, grip and training are the most important…I also don’t like to generalize or talk down to people who have issues with recoil. There are things that may be going on we don’t see or know about. Personally I have severe carpel tunnel. I don’t talk about it much but it’s something that I personally have to work around. People have arthritis and other injuries/conditions that can effect recoil control. I don’t think the Hellcat Pro is anywhere near as bad as the Hellcat or S&W Shield but I do believe everyone can benefit from a reduction in felt recoil even if they can already handle the gun. It’s the follow up shots that count and follow up shots are faster and more accurate the more you reduce recoil
can someone suggest a decent red dot on a budget for the hellcat pro? preferablly without alterting the slide.
What’s the budget? I mean that varies a lot from person to person. Honestly I’m not a fan of any of the optic available that will be a direct mount. That’s why I went with an adapter plate and a Holosun 407K. I’m all about saving money but not at the risk of having a budget optic failing me when I need my weapon. Adapter plates are like $50….407K $280
As far as red dots go $280 is a pretty low price for something you can rely on
@@360TacticalSolutions that 300-400 is what im looking to spend. currently looking at the 407k or the ESP Carry.
@@JohnDoe-qf1ur my money is on the 407K. Everyone is going toward enclosed emitters but I don’t like how bulky they are. I love that 6MOA on the 407k and you can get the eps in 6MOA. I guess for me the bulky body of the eps is a no go. Either way I’d recommend the Holosun 100%
@@360TacticalSolutions Thanks for the replies, man. Didn't realize the ESP Carry was over an inch wide. definitely not fond on bulky. 407k it is!
@@JohnDoe-qf1ur haha I actually didn't realize it was that wide either. I just notice it's super tall. Like all of the enclosed models out there look like a damn brick on the pistols they are mounted to. I like the 407K being more streamlined for sure.
have you compared it to the hellcat rdp?
Compared the HCP to the RDP? No the smaller size Hellcat in all its variations including the RDP is a waste and serves no purpose. It doesn’t conceal any better than the pro. It comes with smaller mags than the pro. The short grip means that you have to have pinkie extensions in order to get a full grip which means when you mag change you break grip which is never a good thing. The smaller hellcat also has a shorter barrel which is more of a disadvantage than anything.
There really isn’t a single area or category that the RDP wins over the HCP enough to make it a worthwhile purchase. Even being a comped version the RDP doesn’t make sense vs the Hellcat Pro.
These have to be ordered from Greece?
No. I placed a link to the companies main page because they have a full list of available products. On their site is a list of US companies that sell their kits. I found most of them only carry a few different models. I’m sure they can order what you want but they don’t list the full product catalogue. On the other hand you can order direct from the manufacturer which is in Greece and expect about a 10 business day delivery time…at least that’s what mine took.
Recoil on Hellcat Pro is horrendous in my opinion. My P365 3.1 has way noticeably less felt recoil compare to Pro. The Hellcat way to snappy and i feel it in my bones 😆 slide bottoms out very hard.
Everyone has a different shooting experience. Thats something I always try and stress to people. I have carpel tunnel and when it flares up I have no grip strength at all. There's all kinds of things that can affect how someone perceives recoil. It could be something as simple as how the gun fits your hand, maybe an old injury, possibly the shape of the grip throwing off your grip (not yours but people in general) and making it feel wild and uncontrollable. At the end of the day I think everyone should live fire a gun before buying so they know what to expect, how it fits them, weather or not they can be accurate with it, how the recoil feels. Once thats out of the way it's time to move on to upgrading it to suit your personal needs. Me..I hate 3" guns lol. Never found one that I liked shooting.
I don’t think it has a lot of recoil I have the Hellcat and the Hellcat pro
I will say the hellcat pro has alot of snap
Some people do yes
I dont feel Hellcat Pro anymore snappy than G19
I agree. Id put it right close to the G19 or M&P 2.0 or any other 4" gun in terms of recoil. I have pretty serious carpel tunnel and most days im fine but during a flare up, when I can't feel my hands...it's nice having every little thing I can get to lower recoil.
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Honestly, after over 1000 rounds through my Hellcat Pro with Crimson Trace Rad Micro Pro green dot sight, the truth is simple:
Zero malfunctions, easy to carry and conceal, and the firearm will give you back what you put into it regarding time spent on the range. Carrying the smaller “micro .9mm handguns” presents the shooter with a trade off; they’re going to have more recoil, but will be infinitely easier to carry and much more comfortable to conceal.
The CZ P10C is such a sweet shooter and is very comfortable to shoot with pleasurable recoil and ergonomics. But compared to the size of the Hellcat Pro, it’s demonstrably heavier, bulkier, and less comfortable to conceal and carry. Conversely, the Hellcat Pro is less comfortable to shoot than the CZ P10C and has less comfortable ergonomics, but it is a pleasure to carry and conceal.
I pocket carry my Hellcat Pro (with the Crimson Trace Rad Micro Pro green dot sight) in an Alabama Pocket Holster. I buy my shorts and pants to dress around my firearm, as you need the right pocket size, shape, and strength to pull this off. But trust me when I say that nobody can tell that I’m carrying a 15+1 .9mm pistol with a red dot sight in that pocket.
Also, with training, I can draw from my pocket and hit my target just as fast as I can draw from my IWB and AIWB holster rigs.