Hellcat Pro recoil reduction conclusion
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- Over the last few months ive been testing different configurations with my Hellcat Pro to see what reduces recoil best. I have the DPM recoil reduction springs, ive installed an Apex threaded barrel and Strike Industries quad comp, ive even had Floyd's Custom port one of my Hellcat Pro's. We did videos on each of these individually but today I'm going to use the Mantis X10 Elite to gather data and compare recoil to determine which is the best option.
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00:00 - Intro
02:16 - Why Reduce Recoil
03:47 - MantisX
04:46 - Stock Barrel
06:32 - HCP W/Comp
08:39 - Correction
09:39 - Ported HCP
10:46 - Results
11:09 - Other Factors
13:39 - Clearly the Winner
14:46 - Out
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I just recently found your channel.. have enjoyed your hellcat series. This channel will grow.. best wishes. 👍
Hey thanks. Appreciate it
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I’ll have to look into that, thanks for the heads up. I got a lead on a couple new spots so hopefully ill have a nice secluded shooting location soon where I dont feel like I need my plate carrier just to go film for YT lol
For such a small channel you make great videos!
Thank you, I really appreciate it. More good stuff coming very soon
Wow, This was really informative. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for doing the research!
You bet!
Thanks for the video- very helpful. And yes please do a video on that grip vs the stock hellcat pro grip!
I'll try to get that out soon. I ordered a second set to put on my other HCP so maybe ill do a video when it comes in
Awesome channel ! Thanks for putting your time and effort to preserving American 2A values. 🇺🇸👏
Thanks for watching!
I think the hellcat pro is a little snappier than my Glock 19 clone, but I don't think I found that to be a problem. I seem to shoot pretty accurately with it at 10 yd. I am seriously thinking about porting it though. The way I see it, anything that can give you an advantage with better accuracy is worth doing. Thanks for doing all this though. Was really fun to watch.
Thanks for these series. I was rooting for the ported version to win, considering all the work that went into it.
Porting has a lot of benefits. Not only in recoil reduction but as far as not having to change holsters the way you would with a comp.
@@360TacticalSolutions True. Not having to modify your holster is definitely a plus. I bought a FN 509 holster from a buddy of mine who had it built with only the threaded barrel and X300 in mind. It's completely useless to me when I run the comped slide, but with the ported slide, no mods needed. I'm thinking about cutting the end of it open to accommodate the comped slide but I'm worried I might ruin the whole thing.
@@parunbelhommedepending on design, you don’t have to cut the end - use a heat gun (gentle - don’t heat till shiny, just till it softens) - then use a wood block to open up the muzzle end to accommodate the comp.
This is insanely helpful. The fact that you've gathered empirical data to drive your conclusions is a breath of fresh air. This gives me something to think about.
Ah good. Im glad you watched this. You mentioned carpel tunnel earlier and I thought this video was one you needed to see. There is way too much “oh this FEELS better than that” when it comes to these videos. Having the data makes it real and shows that some things work better than others. Perhaps the results may vary for people but at least I can see there was a difference with each variant in order to give my thoughts on.
Thoughts on porting the gen 1 Hellcat?
I loved it till I realized how much recoil it had versus a Glock 19. I also kick myself for getting the OSP with the red dot. I can never find the dot because it’s not bright enough. Considering porting and getting a better dot. Maybe I’ll keep it for summer carrying
You can certainly see some reduction in recoil if you port it and if you look through my Hellcat Pro playlist I have various videos with information and links on better optic choices and adapters. Im no fan of that HexWasp lol. The real question is how comfortable is the Hellcat in your hand and how are you with its accuracy? It may be more beneficial to sell it and buy the Pro? I prefer the more full grip of the pro and I dont think it conceals any less than the smaller version.
Did you have the DPM guide rod and recoil spring when you performed these tests, or the factory recoil guide rod/spring? Btw, thanks for the video!
Yes just the DPM. I thought it would be too long a video to do a back and fourth between stock and the DPM in all the configurations
Now that you have the mantasX it would be interesting to see the difference between the bpm and stock springs?
Thanks again for this! Sorry if I missed it, but have you tried the ported slide with the DPM recoil reduction springs?
Yes. Actually all of these tests were ran with the DPM spring. I think I forgot to mention it in the video. I had done some testing with and without the DPM spring but the results weren’t consistent so I left them out of the final test and just focused on port vs comp vs stock configuration
Okay. Good to know. I'll run my ported slide with the DPM spring. Thank you!@@360TacticalSolutions
Hey man, im a fan of the channel and build series youve been doing on the hellcat pro, what id like to know is how much louder is this thing? Is it something thats a slight increase or is it like something you maybe wouldnt bring to a range for fear of people thinking youre throwing grenades in the next lane? Thank you for your time
I suppose I could probably download a decibel meter in my phone to at least get a rough estimate 🤔
It’s definitely loud but not like when some asshole brings a Draco into an indoor range lol. Those things are just too much. There’s a noticeable increase with the ports on the HCP but it’s not horrible. I’ll work on doing a DB comparison in the next week or two for you
@360TacticalSolutions that would be awesome, im definitely looking into porting my HCP and you've got the most detailed videos on the ports so far so keep up the good work. You've definitely got me as a subscriber
what do you recommend on refinish after porting? the original barrel /slide was a melonite finish. is it necessary to DLC coat both barrel and slide?
The barrel and slide definitely should be refinished and I’d go DLC over Cerakote. You dont want the raw metal exposed to the elements, your sweat, the corrosion from gunpowder. Its a recipe for disaster
I sent my Hellcat Pro slide & barrel to Floyds and love it! Thanks for your advice. Then I transferred the QUAD comp to my Hellcat OSP. But do you think it would be worth porting the shorter slide and barrel of the Hellcat OSP?
Glad to hear the feedback. The smaller size Hellcat doesnt have a lot of barrel length. Sure you can get some reduction in recoil with porting just remember you will lose around 3/4 of an inch worth of riflings at the end when you port. Thats going to drop you down to just over 2” of actual barrel which could really affect your velocity. The HCP fairs pretty well becuase you still have like 4” of rifled barrel after the port job.
While I do believe porting the 3” Hellcat can help in recoil I feel like there are a lot of other factors to consider. For instance the short barrel is already loud, porting will make it louder…probably a lot louder than the ported HCP. Decreases in velocity, maybe even acuracy but testing would have to be done. I have gotten some feedback that the porting on the short Hellcat did wonders for how it handles but I cant confirm anything past that
Okay, good to know. I think I'll just stay content with both setups for now. Thanks so much!
Have you shot a Shadow CR920P by any chance? I recently picked one up. Shoots really flat but not biggest fan of the grip. I really liked my Hellcat Pro grip but sold it. Thinking of getting another and porting it and selling my CR920P
Ive never liked the Glock style platform...and I don't blame you on the grip on that thing. If a grip doesn't have a spot for my pinkie it's a no go. Having to use a mag with a pinkie extension is the worst idea ever conceived. Lol sell that thing and scoop up a used Hellcat Pro. You can save some money that way and if you are going to have it ported the barrel and slide need re finished in the process so really it will be "new" once its done. Between going with a used one and selling the Shadow you won't be in the hole too much after having the port job done
Considering the Hellcat Pro Comp (ported) is similar to your Floyd's port job, makes me think I picked up the wrong Hellcat pro. Just nabbed the 4.4 threaded barrel and the Hellcat comp separately. Would have preferred the 3.7 with ports but the shop didn't have it. Oh well, guess this means I'll have to buy another HCP for carry lol.
Id wait on buying a second one. Ive got a video scheduled next month that might change your mind but I cant give any details yet till the products announced
I have never had a problem with the recoil of the pro but the little brother it does have some recoil to it but nothing that is not controllable
It’s less about having a problem with the recoil of the gun and more about increasing ability to take faster and more accurate follow up shots. Then of course there are those people with medical conditions that need the extra advantage of lowering recoil. I actually think the HCP in its stock configuration is only slightly more snappy than something like a G19 or 4” M&P…even on days my carpel tunnel is flaring up
I purchased a 2nd Hellcat pro for my EDC and I'm sending off to Floyd's next week for the port job. I have the Apex threaded barrel in my other Hellcat and planning on suppressing it for home defense...Thoughts on the best suppressor for it? Maybe a new video idea for the HCP series??? Also everywhere I look for the DP spring kit is in foreign dollars...where can I buy in the States? FYI LOVE YOUR CHANNEL AND REVIEW STYLE.
Also a big M&P 2.0 guy. Don't know why so many people love Glock
I was able to find this one
www.mountsplus.com/dpm-recoil-reduction-system-for-springfield-hellcat-pro.html
I dont know the company but you can order direct from DPM. They are based in Greece but they have fast shipping and will convert the pricing over to USD from whatever its listed as
How did the port job turn out?
Great info an video. Took lots of time to get to the end and well worth it. Just got an email from Apex. It's title " The NEW apex performance type 3 trigger." Wonder what's new about it. Could this be next for you???
Mines in the mail as we speak. I expect it should be delivered and installed by next weekend lol. The design looks pretty nice. Im curious to see how it feels
Was thinking about getting a set of talon "pro" grips for my Hellcat Pro, I put some of their granulate up along some of the bare spots on the right side (I'm left handed) and on front of the trigger guard for my support hand since I like to put my index finger around it and I felt that made a huge difference in managing my control. Does the talon "pro" grips feel more abrasive than the stock stippling on your Hellcat Pro? How does it feel against your side when carrying for a long period of time? Thanks for the videos
The pro set actually doesn't feel abrasive at all. If anything it's a light abrasion but mixed with almost rubber type pieces in with it. It's super grippy without feeling like sand paper. Its a way better grip than stock
@@360TacticalSolutions thank you for the response, I'll definitely be picking a set up then. As soon as my slide gets back from Springfield since the tritium front sight lost its glow. Keep up the good work and have a nice day.
On a fresh install, the pro grips feel like 60%sand paper 40% rubber, but after shooting it all day with sweaty hands, it feels a lot more 40%sand paper, and 60% rubber. Which imo is nicer.
Either way, its still a lot better than the factory stipple on the hellcat pro, imo. Its definitely worth a shot. Worst case scenario, it 20 bucks, and it isn't permanent.
What is the differing muzzle velocity when using the ported barrel?
You will have to keep an eye out for that video. I expect that I should have it filmed, produced and ready to launch by end of April. I’m set to compare stock vs commander porting vs enforcer porting vs comped. It took some time to get a factory HCP barrel for the test and I took a little “vacation” to reset before filming for the year
I wish I would have gone the ported direction over the RDP.
On the bright side…a lot of people have bought the HCP and decided they don’t like it. It’s really easy to find them used for a good price with nearly no rounds through them
I noticed your slide dosent lock back on empty, mi e dosent either and it drives me crazy. Do you any idea why it dosent ?
It’s all about your grip. I find that my thumb rids the slide release when im shooting and then when my mag runs dry its not able to lock the slide back. Try giving a little less pressure with your thumb against the frame or move your strong side thumb so it’s sitting up on your support side thumb. I catch myself constantly slipping back into the same old grip ive used my whole life on bigger guns and when I do….slide wont lock back. Then I remind myself of this issue and correct it and everything is fine, till I get comfortable and forget what im doing and I go right back to the old way. At this point I just shrug it off and I work on doing reloads and racking the slide. In an emergency situation I wont be thinking about altering my grip to make sure I dont thumb the slide release…so I may as well work on training around that
Which dpm model did you go with for the hellcat pro? There are two models? Not sure which one for stock hellcat pro? If you read this? Thanks. Love your work..
I read everything and respond to almost as much. I believe the two options available are a standard kit which comes with 3 springs, two spring retainers and a new guidrod…then there’s another kit that’s labeled as being for use with a comp? Mine is the one that has the 3 springs. This far into it though I would say dollar for dollar it doesn’t make sense to buy the DPM kit. The change is so slight for what you pay. If it were me I would just go for the porting and skip the DPM set up all together
Oh man thanks.. I do appreciate it. I only have 3 pistols so far and have put the dpm in them all. But I will definitely take your advice with the hellcat. Thank you bud.. A.D..
Will probably go with the enforcer porting..byw
@@AD13 the comparison video between the Enforcer and Commander ports will be up on Friday. If you do go with porting save some money and use that 360TS promo at Floyd’s 👍🏻
Man thanks a lot I did just use your promo on my new holster the Mckinatec talon! So I definitely will use it for the porting. Thanks again man I won’t take anymore of your time.
We so much appreciate your work on this! Also......how bout a test with a suppressor? I know I know. Muchos $$$. But you're already so invested so....😉
Sadly I’m in Washington and the new legislation they passed makes it impossible for me to get a suppressor. I sold have bought one last year
@@360TacticalSolutions Ah I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe I'll try it at some point
So the winning combo is using a DPM light spring and port job?
Id say yes but with a couple of side notes. First is the DPM spring, what it costs vs what measure of reduction in recoil it provides…it’s questionable as to its value. If you have the money and it doesnt hurt to spend it on something that only slightly changes your recoil then sure, buy it. Second side note is about porting. The porting by far was the thing that changed how the HCP handles the most. I almost cant tell the difference between my ported HCP with and without the DPM spring. All im feeling is the port job. Also on that topic Floyd’s now has two styles of porting. Commander and Enforcer porting. This video has the Commander which is top and sides. I just recently had my secondary HCP ported using the Enforcer porting. I’ll be doing a comparison soon but here is my honest breakdown….if you have a couple hundred to spend and you want your HCP to perform the best for the money then get the Enforcer porting done at Floyds, have them do the DLC coating and you are good to go. I think last I looked the DPM spring set was like $150 but I dont feel it gives $150 worth of recoil reduction. Between the two options for porting so far the Enforcer is working out slightly better than the Commander. Ill be doing more HCP content very soon but right now im enjoying a end of year break
Just a question I noticed that your slide didn’t lock back on the last round…could it be the dps springs in your gun
The spring actually wouldn't cause that. The slide lock issue is a byproduct of my grip. I tend to ride really high with my grip and my thumb will rest on that slide release. I find if I don't focus on my thumb placement then I end up resting on that spot and the slide won't lock back.
thank you for responding
Comps makes pistols look cool, but too many cons as you’ve stated. Would you carry a Ported barrel pistol as an EDC? Greetings from Kent, WA.
Oh shit I haven’t been to Kent in a few years but I’m glad to have you here. I’m up in Skagit County but I really appreciate the support of WA locals.
As to your questions…ported pistols also have some drawbacks similar to comped pistols. Fireballs, volume level, cost, permanent change to the firearm. This ported HCP has been my daily carry since it came back from being ported. Right now I’m back on my M&P while I do some testing with other upgrades but I trust the ported HCP for sure. In the event I have to use the gun in a self defense situation I want that extra control I get with it ported. My follow up shots are going to be more accurate and faster because I’m experiencing less muzzle rise.
I think where people get nervous is reliability. Is this modified gun going to work when I need it. We all expect that to be a yes if we are taking about an unmodified gun from the factory. The real question is your trust in the company doing the porting and the person who’s telling you it runs well. That parts up to you and you can dig into Floyd’s a bit and see they have a great track record and are a family owned company out of Idaho…so we are neighbors, and me well you can take my word for what it’s worth. Out of all the guns I own, if I want to leave the house with a slim, easy to conceal firearm that is accurate reliable and has a good capacity then my ported HCP is the first one I grab. I’m actually not thrilled to be carrying my M&P right now lol. I love it but I’m ready to go back to the HCP
Thanks for the reply. I got a Zaffiri Ported Slide and Barrel Combo on my Glock 19 (Not a Promotion) has not jammed at all and just using regular spring weights. I’m so disgusted with what’s going with our beautiful state. Thank you and just subscribed. Go Mediocre Mariners!
Although I'm not a big fan of ported barrel, I had to revisit your channel after realizing this. Hellcat is more snappy than Hellcat PRO. If I fail to tame the snapiness, yeah Floyd porting is definitely an option. For FDE frame & barrel, the DLC coating will make the barrel to be in black color, right?
Yes DLC will be black. If you want to color match then you want to go FDE Cerakote which is what they use on the slide from the factory
@@360TacticalSolutions Great. I like black slide & fde frame color match.
Is there any advantage in commander porting style over enforcer?
@@stonebat I’m still testing but I’m leaning toward Enforcer. The recoil mitigation so far seems very similar. My HCP was one of the first to be ported and at that point it was only the commander. I sent my second HCP for porting when they came up with the Enforcer. I give the enforcer a slight advantage because the front sight doesn’t get relocated and I’ve found it has a slightly different fireball pattern lol. Once in a while ported guns breath fire. The commander vs enforcer in lower light conditions I feel the commander has more chance of blocking your view because of its top port. One thing I need to test before I make a video is velocity. I want to see what the difference in velocity is as well as use the mantis to measure recoil and go from there
@@360TacticalSolutionsI wish Floyd ported just the top (without sides) too. Can't wait for your video comparing the ones he offers.
I may end up sending mine, but not until I get better at it stock (Im getting 30° MR with a 0.5 recovery time 😢 vs 16° on a 43X).
Nice
Thanks
Do you have a lot of times where it doesn’t lock back after the last round?
Nearly every time with every gun that I own. It’s my grip. If I focus more on my thumb placement than I do making accurate shots then the slide locks back every time. Really I just train to rack the slide after a mag change and it doesn’t bother me
@@360TacticalSolutions ok just wondering if the porting had anything to do with it. I mean it loads so it shouldn’t but I just noticed it a few times. Thanks
Also, why did you put Talon grips on the Hellcat Pro when they come with what I consider the fantastic "adaptive grip texture?"
The M&P has always been my favorite grip. It almost sticks to your hand. The problem is that it rubs you raw when you conceal carry it. Over time it will wear down and be a bit smoother and feel really similar to the Hellcat Pro. The grip on the HCP isn't bad but the more I train with the MantisX the more I can see that im not getting enough of a solid grip from its texture. Over time as it wears that will just get worse. I wanted to just try the Talon Grips and after all of about 30 seconds of having it installed I was sold on them. The Talon Pro Grips arent like a sandpaper texture. They are a strange mix between sandpaper and rubber and it's such a solid grip that I ordered a set for my other Hellcat Pro.
@@360TacticalSolutions I know you will probably not like this... but I had a S&W M&P 2.0 compact 4-inch but i sold it to help defray the cost of buying my first AR-15. I really did like the grip texture on that gun, but I also really like the Hellcat Pro adaptive grip texture. After some use, though, I do see the beginning of the grip texture wearing down on the HP... I may have to get the Talon grip for it in another year or so....
So was the comp results also using a different spring?
Same spring set up on all tests just to keep it relatively even. I used the DPM spring during the testing but the DPM spring doesn’t have a measurable difference on muzzle rise. Using the stock spring the performance is essentially the same.
Use Talons on all my pistols. Makes a big difference on the Hellcat in my humble opinion
Oh I 100% agree. The pro grip is incredible. Best $25 you can spend
I assume all these were done with the DPM recoil reduction still in place?
Yes I did all my testing with the DPM springs. I thought about doing a second set of tests with stock vs dpm but It would have been too much for one video
question is though, how do these ports effect accuracy at distance? I've heard some extremely mixed things about how Floyds commander porting affects accuracy. Care to put this to the test?
I find when there are wildly varying reports about something…personal bias tends to lead over factual data. Id love to hear more. What distances are we talking? I mean the chances 99% of people will hit anything at or past 50yards (reliably) with a 5” gun let alone something the size of the HCP is slim. My range while shooting the Hellcat Pro tends to be 7, 10, 25yards. From time to time I might see a piece of trash on the berm around the 30yard mark and take a shot at it but I try to stay within realistic ranges when shooting my CCW. I genuinely havent seen any variation in accuracy between the stock barrel, ported barrel or the slightly longer threaded and comped barrel from Apex.
@@360TacticalSolutions I completely agree. When I hear someone on the internet talking accuracy at distances of 25+ yards, I'm skeptical because someone shooting a pistol that far... chances are they literally can't regardless of the pistol or modification. But there are some cases where people insisted the commander porting changed point of impact at distances of 25+ yards. They even called Floyds and said that Floyds has mentioned it can happen. Again, I haven't confirmed this. And that's why I'd love to just see you break it down and put that potential myth to the test. The threads I'm talking about are on brozooka's channel talking about his commander ported M&P. And the thread in question was from AFTER Floyds started doing the backbore etc
@@jonah8133 I may do kind of a combo video in the future comparing the stock barrel to the ported one and comped one for velocity and accuracy. The biggest thing I hear is people talking about being worried about losing too much velocity with a ported barrel. It may take some time though, I have a dozen videos that im balls deep in producing right now but Ill definitely keep it in mind for the near future
@@360TacticalSolutions If you could test accuracy ported vs non ported that'd be a gamechanger man. The reason I haven't got a port job through Floyds yet is because of all the reports of point of impact shift and accuracy issues at distance tbh. I am ready to go with monsoon because they guarantee no point of impact shift with their port jobs. But I'd much rather go with Floyds. I just don't want to risk a point of impact shift
@@360TacticalSolutions Just wanted to follow up and let you know I've decided on Floyds to do the porting. I Love Floyds and trust them. If there's a reduction in accuracy past 25 yards, I can live with it. And that may not even be a correct rumor to begin with.
I reached out to monsoon about their helport asking detailed questions and learned some things that were absolute dealbreakers for me. There's no backbore. And they confirmed that you get shrapnel and Spaulding shooting out the top port (they said minimal) but to me, that's a dealbreaker when I could just have it done by Floyds and avoid that.
Also, the idea of the side ports are really growing on me and look awesome. Plus, I want to DLC coat it.
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I found a new location last weekend. It’s a 30min drive but it’s worth it. Cant wait to buy some property where I can shoot on my own land
My hellcat pro doesn’t stay open neither, do you know why?
Mind your thumb. I find that I ride the slide stop pretty hard with my thumb and it causes the slide to not lock back. You can load a single round in a mag and take a shot but be mindful to reposition your thumb…I bet you will find it locks open just fine. You can also practice mag changes while using dummy rounds and racking the slide after the mag change. Most competition guns don’t lock back at all and these are guns being ran by some of the fastest shooters in the world. Adjust your grip or get really good at the mag change/slide rack 🤷🏼♂️
NOTE: I'm no data analyst, but I play one on TV.
It LOOKED like the numbers were corrupted for both the comp & ported tests. For example, if you throw out RD #16, which was a freakishly high 34.37 degrees, with the comp, it seems like the avg muzzle rise would be lower than the ported barrel--which seems to have had a freakishly low number of 0.02 degrees muzzle rise skewing its results downward.
As you were scrolling through the the numbers, the COMP numbers were 9.91 to 12.43, whereas the PORTED numbers were 12.01 to 15.76. If I'm right, I'm pull a guess out of my butt that the COMP is actually reducing muzzle rise by about 1.2-1.6 degrees more than the PORTED barrel.
But I could be seeing things incorrectly.
Thanks for all the great videos. My HCP will be here next week.
I'm getting the DPM, the Apex trigger, and am on the fence about porting.....the biggest complaint I've read is that the grip is so angular at the back that it can be uncomfortable for some people when shooting.
QUESTION: Do you have any experience with the MCARBO titanium striker?
It gets good reviews, but I don't know if the spring is lighter or heavier (to push the lighter striker).
Excellent observation. Sadly people don't tend to have the attention spans or interest in deep dives into data. I have a spreadsheet I use to record recoil data for different guns and configurations. The spreadsheet handles the math for me and gives me a true average over longer spans of range sessions. I of course pull out extreme numbers that could be considered inaccurate or things like a flinch or poor grip or whatever. Trying to keep the data somewhat clean, I mean everyone will have different results anyways so I want my personal log pretty true and accurate.
Last count was 500 rounds recorded on each configuration. Roughly 500, I think ported is like 475 and comped is around 490. The spread between the two works out to a 2 degree difference in favor of the ported gun. The comped version also shows a considerable amount of muzzle dip but ive only been observing that vs actually logging it. I will of course continue to collect data and if anything changes I'll update.
I did a MCarbo video. It's in my HCP playlist. The MCarbo trigger is ok but the set screw design was a bad idea. In order to adjust it you have to remove the trigger, make the adjustment and then reassemble to see if it's where you want it. Mine stripped out and I ended up taking it out and replacing it with the Type3 Apex trigger. I also installed the titanium striker set at the same time. I would think the spring they use is a heavier spring to compensate for the lighter striker material. I found the best results while using the MCarbo striker set along with the Apex trigger and trigger spring. That combination for me is smoother and has the lowest trigger weight. Id have to go run my trigger gauge to give an exact number and im actually away from my office this weekend. Well worth the cost for the striker
@@360TacticalSolutions subbed -- everyone should be doing gun reviews with the MantisX like you're doing. Thanks for your attention to detail. Don't be afraid to casually mention in videos details like your spreadsheets while keeping it more simple.
@@tannermeade thank you. I really need to being on a part time assistant to help me keep things straight. Just too many things going on at once. Also I recently lost my spreadsheet so I’m starting a new one and saving it on iCloud so I don’t accidentally lose it again. Definitely will be doing more Mantis work soon though
Roughly what would Floyd customs charge for that port job on that particular firearm ?
You have to go check the link in the description and get specifics. There are different options now becuase they have two different port styles, cerakote or DLC coating, milling the slide for a Holosun. I think what I have there runs like 400 but they give my viewers 10% off with discount code 360TS10 and dont forget to look at the new magwell and mag extensions they have for the HCP. I have a video in production for those but its going to be a little bit before its ready
Great thank you. Great stuff fabulous content really appreciate all the work you put into your channel and thanks for getting back to me so fast. Stay safe and shoot straight
@@BennyBlancofrmtheBxI appreciate it thank you. Always glad to help
It's always easy to sit back and tell others what to do.
It appears unkind people use this area as a garbage dump. This guy is working hard enough to put out quality content, and if you have not noticed drives a mid size sedan. How is he supposed to get other people's garbage in his car not to mention possible drug paraphernalia without contaminating his personal car? What makes you think putting up a sign will stop the unkind people of dumping trash? And yes I'm using the word unkind people instead of what I really want to call them.
I think the comment was one of those hearts in the right place kind of things even if it was a bit frustrating. We used to have a real nice gravel pit that was really big and a couple times a year everyone would get together and do a mass clean up. People would set up smokers and bbq’s and people like me that have small cars would just bring up rakes and gloves and help gather and load trash into the trucks others had. We all went in on the cost of dumping everything. That pit had had signs with rules about not dumping trash or cars or using explosives like tanerite but people did it anyways. The state finally got sick of the garbage and the few assholes doing dangerous stuff and they locked us out for good. Its been nearly 3 years where no ones been able to access that spot even thought there was a community of like 50+ people that would gather and maintain the property. These days all i can do is bring a bucket and clean up what I can and hope others do the same
Pardon my ignorance... but people can (legally) start blasting targets on any public piece of land, like that?
In WA we have some land that’s managed by the state that can be used for target practice. Technically most of the land that isn’t national forest land you can shoot on as long as it falls into the states confusing and complicated set of rules. What you end up with is little spots here and there where it’s far enough from the roadway and water sources and there’s a backstop that fits the states requirements and you can use it. In order to access these locations you have to buy a pass once a year that allows you into those areas. The one I go to most of the time is about a 30min drive from town and the closest house is about 15min away. The state closes off more and more of this land every year though
@@360TacticalSolutions Thats nice! And how do you find out about such sites?
I may need to find if they exist where I live because my alternatives are indoor ranges or a very expensive outdoor one.
@@Shadow__133 what state are you in? Each state is different. In WA we have the DNR or Department of Natural Resources. They manage the public lands, forestry service and all that. I think some states have the bureau of land management which is essentially the same thing. Another good resource is local gun stores. Get friendly with the staff in local gun stores and ask them about outdoor shooting locations. If anyone knows where to go shooting it’s the employees at a gun shop.
@@360TacticalSolutions Colorado. Good advices there, i'll look it up.
It sucks to live in the suburbs.
True Precision threaded barrel + Strike Industries Quad Compensator + DPM system?
$189 + $70 + $116 + x3 shipping
Mmmnn…I think you spelled Apex threaded barrel wrong lol. I have a lot of trust in their product and I dont mind spending the extra money for what im getting.
Looks like the south side of chicago
haha true story
Don’t have a pro, but think I’m going to trade in my original hellcat for the more superior “echelon”.
I don’t know that I’d say the Echelon is superior to the Hellcat or Hellcat Pro. It’s got a different intended use. I like that it’s a modular system and I’d like to see more guns do that. No matter what size grip you use though you won’t be able to get a gun using that Echelon that’s 1” thick like the Hellcat Pro. The thickness of the HCP is what makes it such an incredible concealment weapon. The Echelon is more of a all around use gun. The optic mounting system is the thing I really want to get a hands on look at. That’s something that deserves some attention. I’m going to look into getting one of these guns as soon as I can
Ehelon is a full-sized pistol. I'd consider a Hellcat Pro "superior" in concealability.
If folks don’t start picking up after themselves then places like this will be closed up and blocked.
Funny story….that spot actually did get shut down and blocked off like a week or two after this video. People are the worst
Bro… you should have let the rounds fly and see what the tweakers did!!!😂😂😂
lol I went up there once and people were sleeping in a car. I got out with my AKV and bump fired a full 30 rounds to wake them up. People always going up there doing drugs and dumping trash and shit. I hate it
Instead of talking about it why not just bring a rake and do the right thing and clean up and then post a sign to clean up after yourself. We put an end to this type of behavior at our shooting spot because of morons just like this. Come and use the spot and then leave their debris everywhere now there's a chain up and only members can get in. Oh and by the way it's under surveillance with a hidden camera who we can see cars if they try to get in. Thanks for the hellcat info always helpful. Love our hellcats.
The issue is far more complicated than that. That land is essentially state owned and controlled by Department of Natural Resources. They are the only ones that can put a gate up and believe me there are dozens of places locally that they have because of people dumping garbage. As far as removing garbage, I bring two 5gallon buckets when I go and I fill them with my casings and anything else that will fit. My buddy took his full size truck out there last year and must have taken a half dozen heaping loads from the gravel pit to the dump. Each time he would go out and spend a day filling his truck and taking stuff to the dump someone would almost immediately dump another truck load of garbage into the gravel pit. By the end of summer it looked worse than when he started and he was out of pocket around $600 in dump fees and his personal time spent doing the right thing. Im all for cleaning up sites like this and its something we have worked on over and over but its a losing battle when the property is owned by the state and the state would rather lock everyone out than to allow people to set up a lock system for the people who are responsible. One of my goals for myself as well as the channel is to get to a position I can buy a piece of property out of town and set up my own range where I can gate it off and have my own range that I let responsible people come use. Land is expensive in WA these days though and im probably better off waiting and buying in a red state
@@360TacticalSolutions What a shame that is. Why must people always F up a good thing. I know nothing of you other than what I just viewed. I would have preface that at your begging of your video. That it takes a herculean effort just to keep this place clean... And You should know because you do it all the time. It sucks that you and your buddy have to do all the work. If I lived closer to you, I would certainly help out to keep this clean. Hey, why not post a clean-up day a week or so in advance? Maybe you might get some help? Just a thought.. Do keep up the good work. Paul.
If you do that tho people might take that as a chance to dump even more stuff out there just to have it picked up for free.
lord get to the point
If there’s too much information for you, you are welcome to not watch 👍🏻
@360TacticalSolutions draaaagggeeed oooon aaaannnd ooonnnn... I literally played the vid at 1.5 times the speed and i still couldn't make it... 😫
@@mattblack133 so here’s the reality. Someone’s always going to be unhappy. I could make a two minute video saying hey guys the Hellcat Pro performs better after being ported than it does with a comp. Then people are going to ask how I measured it, they will call bs cause I didn’t post the data, people will ask how the comp performed, various people will ask for way more information than would have been in a video that made you happy. That’s why I added chapters. But it’s cool…here I’ll simplify for you…ported Hellcat Pro 👍🏻👍🏻💯
Is that better?
@360TacticalSolutions You handled that well dude... consider me your newest follower. 🤓
@360TacticalSolutions and personally... I would have set up shop with the tweakers humping. I'm sure the gunfire would have ruined their romantic moment. 😈