MCarbo - Hellcat Pro
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2023
- MCarbo makes a lot of different performance type upgrades. The titanium striker upgrade and trigger shoe came highly recommended by many many people in the comment section....but does it live up to the hype? You guys know that I love upgrading my Hellcat Pro so the big question is, how does the MCarbo trigger and titanium striker stack up for real?
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Love that Striker. Been using it for some time after my stock one broke. I felt it was better then sending it off for warranty work and waiting a month. Might just be me, but I feel it made everything so much smoother. I'll stick to the Apex trigger for now. I also used the Apex sear spring instead of the MCarbo. It made sense the way you can drop some oil in it. Nice helpful video.
I think actually you were one of the people who had mentioned I should test the MCarbo stuff early on. I had mentioned the spring oil during filming but that section of the video got cut during the edit. I wish more companies used a similar design. Im going to be ordering a second titanium striker at the end of the month because I really do feel like its a solid upgrade for the Hellcat Pro
Glad to see you review MCarbo.
I’ve been working toward this one for a while. I’ve just got so many video projects on my desk right now. It’s getting really close to a point I need to step down to a part time position at work just so I can do everything I’m trying to do here. Treating these products from MCarbo was a really nice change for me. Like working with something from a company I haven’t had experience with yet. All in all it was a good test
Glad to see an honest review about this trigger. I just spent around 500 rds through my PRO today (all stock) and I have the nastiest little blood blister on my trigger finger. I absolutely hate the stock trigger.
I’m sure Apex would have been the better option, but I just ordered the Mcarbo because price and it seems to have a decent amount of good reviews. I’m sure it will be miles more comfortable that the POS it has now. Would have given Tyrant a shot but I haven’t seen a whole about those.
If theres one thing you can count on its that I’m going to tell it like I see it
Update: the Mcarbo came in and is installed. Night and day difference. Now to take it to the range. If anyone is wondering, they are going for about $60 at the time of this writing.
The Hellcat Pro came, out of the box, with the absolute worst trigger of any handgun I have ever experienced. This gun blistered my trigger finger and wasn't going to improve. I did install an Apex Type 3 trigger unit and I now enjoy shooting the gun regularly.
lol Ive definitely used worse triggers but it certainly didn't come with one that I want to use regularly. That Apex though...it changes the HCP for the better
GOT MINE, BLISTERD MY TRIGGER FINGER AFTER 100 rounds 💀
I agree the HCP does have a horrible trigger from the factory in fact it was way worse than my Glock 43 x
It keeps blistering my finger!!
I have the original hellcat with an apex trigger, and prp safety plunger spring. My HC pro had the prp base spring kit and mcarbo trigger. I didn’t like the trigger at all. It pinched my finger, and when the trigger kits the overtravel stop it actually pushes out the trigger safety to the point where it sits above the face of the trigger. It was very uncomfortable. I ended up just putting another apex trigger in my HC pro, with prp safety plunger spring, and prp disconnector spring. Very happy with the apex. For me anyways the mcarbo was a swing and a miss. The apex was far more comfortable. As for the striker goes if you like the hard wall feeling the striker makes a huge difference. Me personally I prefer a little roll on the break. I’ve got about 2500 rounds through the OEM striker without issue. For those that are curious the HC pro does have a higher pull weight if we are comparing same trigger system in the HC. Same vs same I am showing a 3/4 lb more out of the HC pro. My HC pro as it’s setup now breaks right at 5.5 lbs, my HC breaks at 5 lbs with the only difference is the prp disconnector spring which was worth about 3-4 ounces or so. If you decide to run the mcarbo striker it drops it another 1 lb fyi.
I love that striker too. I had just the MCarbo trigger and springs in it for the longest time because I was too cheap too buy the whole kit and it was nice but then I ended up getting the striker used off a guy on Reddit by chance. And they're not joking about that 30% it made it so much better. That little angle they cut off the edge of the striker makes a world off difference
Worth every penny…when paired with an Apex trigger and trigger spring. 360TS gets you 10% off at Apex. I had to remove the MCarbo trigger because of the stripped set screw unfortunately. Went to the Type3 Apex instead
Nice review, I bought this kit shortly after my hellcat purchase
It’s not bad. I definitely prefer Apex but the M Carbo is decent
With MCarbo’s veterans’ discounts, they will stack the military 10% and the Veteran’s Day 10% together for a 20% discount if you purchase on Veteran’s Day and have an account already set up with them for the MIL/LEO discount.
Ya it’s just too bad the trigger didn’t hold up when stacked up next to the Apex package. I wanted it to be better but it just didn’t compare over extended use
Glad you answered what I was going to ask lol. Tyrant trigger next? Seen a few people in forums say their mcarbo trigger set screw fell out after a few hundred rounds 😬. Maybe they didn't install it correctly.
Im 100% sure those people didn’t use lock tight on the screw lol. I battled with mine trying to even hold it was a chore, then you have to get the locktite on it and through the grace of god hopefully not cross thread it when getting it in there. I do like having that adjustability but man it’s a pain dealing with such a small adjustment screw…especially if you are like me and have carpel tunnel.
I have all 3 triggers and my Tyrant screws came loose after my second trip to the range
@@360TacticalSolutionsI've tried the Apex, M*Carbo & Tyrant triggers & to me the best setup is the Apex trigger with the mcarbo titanium striker assembly my Tyrant triggers is extremely similar to the Apex but with more creep and the edges are too sharp.after about like 100rounds I started to feel my trigger finger a little irritated
@@ralph23ny So you can use the Apex trigger with the MCarbo titanium striker? Which springs did you use on what? The Apex sear or the Mcarbo sear? Etc etc. I asked the company directly and neither of them would give me a direct answer. I'm sure its because they didnt want to be on the hook in case something happened. Been trying to find someone to talk to with your exact setup.
@@Nuck-Fo0bZz use everything from mcarbo only use the apex Trigger shoe nothing else
That printed part is about $0.08 of plastic and around 15 minutes on the machine.
My stock striker in my HCP broke from dry fire without snap caps.
Ive heard a couple people say that. It's weird because it doesn't seem consistent. I have two of these guns and neither of them had issues dry firing without snap caps with several hundred rounds of dry fire. At the same time I have a friend who maybe got 50 rounds of dry fire through his before the firing pin breaking. Just leads me to believe there are some inconsistencies within their manufacturing process or raw materials used.
I went down this rabbit hole a few years back resulting in a flawless trigger that still remains in my edc hellcat. you need more than a set screw because the repeated cycling of the trigger will wear down the threads resulting in the position not holding. good luck 👍
lol ya I see they did away with this design completely. I just keep Apex triggers in my carry guns anyways. This was one of a half dozen test triggers, none of them panned out
After your researching what did you end up with for a trigger ? Picking up a hellcat tomorrow I want to buy a trigger asap
@@shotsbyjoshh both of my HCP have the Apex Type3 trigger. It’s the only one I trust enough for a carry gun. You can get a price break at Apex if you use 360TS at checkout. That code works at Apex, Optics Planet, Floyd’s Custom Shop, Brownells, KORE belts. There’s a list lol. Anyways I would order one but not install right away. First you want to get a couple hundred rounds through the gun and make sure it functions properly and you get an idea of how it feels…then do the trigger. If you change the trigger before you shoot it you don’t have a point of reference as to how much the Apex changes it and if there’s an issue with the gun it’s harder to figure out if it’s the gun or the trigger job.
@@360TacticalSolutions so I just ordered a prp kit and a mcarbo trigger based on my research what do you think about this setup I’ve been watching a lot of your videos
@@shotsbyjoshh I’d start by sending the PRP trigger kit back and buying an Apex. PRP isn’t horrible but it also wasn’t consistent when I was testing it. Like it was to a point I wouldn’t carry my concealment gun with it. Range gun, not so bad…carry gun, no friggin way
Great review thank You!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Happened to me. Nice gun, but don’t want striker to break when I need gun the most. Keep in mind, I didn’t use dummy rounds for dry fire practice- which “is” stated to use or manual.
If you do “upgrades”, warranty voided
Ya it’s weird. I couldnt even put a number on how many cycles of dry fire I’ve done in either of my two HCP and they have done great. Also upgrading guns always voids warranty’s, im not sure what you are getting at there.
Why would one be dumb enough to tell Springfield that you modified the gun? If you need warranty service, just put the stock parts back in and send it off.
Funny that I’m watching this today, just received my MCARBO trigger shoe in the mail today. I’m always partial to a flat faced trigger shoe. I may have to do some mixing and matching. I have the Apex and a Powder River spring kit in the original Hellcat and the full PRP trigger kit in the Hellcat Pro.
Are you running the prp disconnector? I heard it makes it a rolling trigger and I'm kinda curious to feel the difference. Also did you think the PRP sear made any changes
@@salsavillo9146 I kind of ended up with a mix and match set up in my Pro, for now at least. I did install the PRP kit with and without the disconnector. I ultimately ended up with the PRP sear, lighter with springs and the MCARBO flat trigger. The “rolling” trigger is not for me. I thought it was too strange to lessen the felt wall when it comes to a handgun trigger. I could kind of see people who shoot a lot of double action semis and revolvers liking the “rolling” trigger, but that’s not even close to what I am. The PRP sear and springs did mildly improve the action and lower the pull weight. I do wish the geometry of the new sear would have eliminated a little more of the creep, but it is what it is. Obviously, I really wish I could have just purchased the sear and springs, without the disconnect and their hybrid trigger shoe. I don’t know if they would sell it to me that way, but I would have asked. Nothing wrong with their trigger shoe, but I just prefer the flatter MCARBO shoe.
There's a few different reasons I like mcarbo not least of which is a veteran-owned and they take care of veterans I'm sure there's a lot of companies that have vet discount but I've enjoyed using mcarbo products
Everything comes down to each persons preference. I support veteran owned, American, Local…all of it. At the end of the day more than anything I want people to find the product that fits them best regardless if its the one that I like or from a company other than the one im reviewing. My jobs just to test things out and give my opinion in a way that you can say ok well there are some good and bad points…maybe this might be the product for me. Also MCarbo is based out of FL and I friggin love that place. I may take a trip out in the next couple years and if I do ill have to see if I can tour the place
@@360TacticalSolutions I now live just a few miles down the road from there which I'm very happy about I've lived in Florida since 2010 but in 2019 I ended up going back to where we were because my mother-in-law was diagnosed with cancer. Last year we moved back to Florida
@@black69camaro2344 Ive been down there a couple times. Once you get past the mosquitoes it’s an incredible state. I can handle the snakes, the ants, the gators, the heat and hurricanes but those mosquitos are no joke lol
How did you get that trigger I went to order one for my hellcat pro and they won't sell one because of the state I live in (Washington) did a new law pass that I missed for 2024
Well I actually got this one back in march of 2023 I think, maybe May. July was when the last set of laws took place but there’s nothing I know of in there barring pistol triggers. The state did ban “assault weapon” parts and in that there is a specific part about triggers and other parts to build assault weapons. This, of course doesn’t apply to pistol triggers like the one you are looking to get and is more likely the company being overly cautious because of tricky wording in the law. The good news is though, the Apex triggers perform better, they ship to WA and 360TS gets you 10% off at checkout
@@360TacticalSolutions thanks, I will try to see if they will sell one to me. what is the discount code for them
@@fish0n2 discount code for Apex? 360TS is the code for Apex. I don’t have one for MCarbo. Apex will definitely sell you a trigger though. I prefer their type3 over their classic. They work the same but the difference is the look
I just bought one for a hellcat no! problem!
I live in Washington State
Is this trigger better then the apex trigger on the take up and pull and reset ???
I removed and got rid of the MCarbo trigger because of safety issues. The take up on the HCP is part of its drop test safety system. Remove take up at your own risk
@360TacticalSolutions so wich apex trigger are you running and wich do you reconmend I know there is 2 and 3
@@user-on2ro2eg2x I use the Type3 in both my HCP. Here’s a video about it with a promo code in the description if you’re interested.
ruclips.net/video/wFLLFhNEuhI/видео.html
Did you use apex striker spring with the m carbo striker?
No I used the MCarbo striker spring that comes pre installed on that titanium striker
@@360TacticalSolutions ok thank you! I wasn’t sure? I have same everything and I want to get the titanium striker.
@@360TacticalSolutions so it doesn’t cause no light strikes? I order the striker. Did you use the m carbo safety spring for the safety plunger?
Could get the striker performance assembly kit and use a apex trigger a d trigger spring ?
Thats essentially how it’s set up right now. Im using the Titanium striker from MCarbo and the Apex trigger and spring and it’s the best set up ive found. 360TS gets you 10% off at Apex too so that helps
Ok thanks am going to get that,am getting my hellcat pro in a week 2 weeks from now.
What the weight and the apex spring you get?
Would you recommend porting the hellcat pro with mcarbo titanium striker?
Are you using the m carbo spring with the m carbo titanium striker or did you switch springs and use the apex spring with the mcarbo striker??
The MCarbo titanium striker comes pre assembled with a spring from MCarbo. It's a direct swap out for the stock striker/spring. I still have that striker set in one of my HCP but the MCarbo trigger set and spring I changed to the Apex Type3
Compare it do the powder river kit with mcarbo parts
Ive tried both Apex designs, MCarbo, Tyrant, PRP and I have to say...I think I'm done testing triggers in the HCP. Neither the Tyrant nor the PRP made it into a video and to be honest there aren't any options out there that are "better" than the Apex Type3. There are safety concerns with some and others just don't have any advantage to the Apex while only being in business a fraction of the time and doing half the safety testing. Apex Type3 is the top level for function, reliability and safety. I just can't put 15+ hours into filming and producing a video for a product that I pay for out of pocket just to get to the end and say how underwhelming it is and that im going to uninstall, throw it in the "pile" and go back to the trigger that I know works reliably. PRP would have had to really wow me with their trigger and they just didn't
@@360TacticalSolutions what if you only test the springs and sears and not the actual trigger
What IWB holster do you use with the Comp
That’s part of the reason I stopped using the comp and had it ported. It’s uncomfortable as hell to carry. I had a GCode Phenom holster that I heavily modified to make room for the comp and basically everything past the slide sticks out and digs in constantly. I have a half dozen different holsters where the end is open and none of them quite worked with the comp without having to be cut and reshaped and smoothed out. Also I got more recoil reduction with the porting
@@360TacticalSolutions thanks for responding! I can always count on you
@@itsjustashow I’m happy to help
Any plans to try a Overwatch trigger?
I have tried theirs, I just didn’t make a video. It feels similar to the Apex trigger except it costs like $50 more, instead of changing a spring it changes the sear and disconnector and I can’t find any information about the company as far as how long they have been in business or how they do their safety testing. I don’t like the idea of changing the sear and disconnector but especially when I can’t confirm that their safety testing at least matches what Apex does. It felt like a good trigger but it’s more expensive than Apex and I can’t attest to its safety
@@360TacticalSolutions their safety is top notch. I have their 43x drop in trigger and it made a huge difference but then again any aftermarket trigger will compared to Glock lol. I was just curious of their hellcat version since it isn’t a full drop in like the 43x.
@@indysrebel5181 there are a lot of triggers that don’t go off by themself when holstered, that doesn’t mean their safety testing is up to par. The kit comes with two parts that should only be changed if there is considerable drop testing done, I mean like 200+ drops to make me comfortable. I tested the trigger and didn’t have any issues through the couple hundred rounds I put through it. I didn’t like that it felt inconsistent in its break and reset at times and I would have to talk to their test team and really get a breakdown of their test process before I carried with it. I will say I do like the look of the trigger shoe but that’s just aesthetics.
Damn reading these comments and I love my Hellcat Pro, some of y’all have soft ass fingers lol
I dont think it’s soft fingers so much as a preference for a better and more ergonomic trigger. What’s your current round count on your HCP?
First one here
Haha damn that’s some quick draw stuff right there