New Guy Told a Fight Promoter He Submitted Me (True Story)
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- In today's video I answer a question from Alex (a young BJJ Blue Belt) who has some Wrestling experience about rolling with new people inside the gym. He says that recently he was rolling with a brand new guy who also had some wrestling experience. During the rolling he was very easy with the new guy because he wanted to welcome him to Brazilian Jiu-jitsu.
Well, after the round was over the new guy seemed to think that Alex couldn't do anything to him.
So Alex's question to me is about whether or not he should put it on the new people in the gym or go easy.
In this video I share a couple of stories about times I took it easy on people and they mistakenly thought I couldn't do anything to them. Then I also go into how I do things now to help people understand the level of skill that exists but also be helpful at the same time.
If you're in a similar situation as the Blue Belt when you're rolling with new White Belts then I hope this is helpful.
-Chewy
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I believe I have also submitted you. I will happily take my free month to be taught otherwise. Thank you sir
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Ha ha well played sir!
damn u beat me to it
Damnit! Beat me to it. I’d gladly get smashed a whole month. 😅😂
@@marty2599 Pause ✋🏽😂
"That's the guy who couldn't do the shrimp!" That made my F#$%ing day.
I struggled with my first shrimp day one... Maybe I also have two left feet.
When he said that i died laughing
@@brianfattig1491 NO thats normal. First workout it felt so unnatural that i didn't even do the second one... Fuck them shrimps boi
I am glad it made your F&@?$”!/; day
HAHAHAHAHHAH
When I was 14, I thought I was hot shit when I submitted my sensei, a 4th degree traditional jujitsu black belt. Little did I know, he was just an amazing teacher putting on kid gloves for me. Miss that guy, best fighting instructor I've ever had.
Went to jujitsu gym (I’m a large fit looking dude) told them I didn’t know shit, purple belt broke my wrist 5 mins in. Sometimes the ego doesn’t belong to the new guy.
I didn't get anything broken but my shoulder got fucked up for months thanks to some dickhead with an ego. I'd done 12 years of Muay Thai leading up to that and a friend said I should try some BJJ. I never went back.
Went to a local gym. Some dude JUMPED into an arm bar with me. I nearly broke my arm. Nearly.
Dont try to roll hard or sometimes they need to slow you down.
Lol purple belt doing wrist lock on a white belt...idk about other gym but my gym that's a written/unwritten rule.
@Alex Hahaha just what i was thinking !
My mentality has always been that new people sign up to learn jiu jitsu, so show them jiu jitsu. This was my expectation when I started too, so I don’t take it personal when I get smashed. I do like the Rich Rule though!
That's a good mindset for yourself, but as a coach (or even a training partner), you could possibly miss out on some good, earnest people. Maybe they aren't even interested in competing, but they surely can make excellent training partners; fostering a chill, creative environment.
Point being, I know some really good training partners who are an absolute pleasure to work with, and learn with, who probably would have been put off from getting "smashed."
My gym, the higher belts will submit me, but then they also go back and show me how they did it..
I think the Rich rule is in wide use in the gym I train at as well. It depends a little though. If the new person is weak, small, or lacks confidence I don't think you have to be as rough. Its the jocks you have to put in their place.
Yeah for sure! Yesterday a new girl came to train with us. I taught her the basics, escape, position, etc. Told the guys to learn her something and don't put too much pressure on her. There was absolutely no need to use that rule on her.
Maybe you should never be “rough” though, you know?
@J Freddy Could be, but she wasn't.
I can understand the weak and lack confidence part but don’t underestimate someone just because they’re small, that puts you at a disadvantage.
Or you can just be humble and let people have their moment 🤷🏼♂️
I was rolling with one of our black belts. He was in mount and I got a trap and roll escape off on him. He said “Dude, NICE sweep!” Then he tapped me within two seconds.
As a no stripe white belt, I’m going to ride the high from that compliment for a long time. I’ve rolled with him before and I have no misconceptions about who is in charge there. Great video, show them why you’re a higher belt and then they’ll know that you’re going easy on them when you do.
From whitey to whitey, keep this attitude. The small battles we win are awesome, but we always gotta keep in mind the guys above us can usually end it whenever they want🤣🤣
I’m just a blue belt, but I had a white belt on top with his far arm trapped, so immediately after he transitioned to mount I executed that sweep. He had a competition coming up so I stopped the roll & asked him if he knew what he did wrong, walked him thru it a few times & I think he understood that without that arm available to post, he’s gonna get swept. Especially in competition, he would’ve been better off maintaining side control & working for a submission from there instead of “advancing position” to end up on bottom. #WhiteBeltLivesMatter 🤓
Don’t think trap and roll is a sweep. But I still get what you mean.
That's so nice to hear cause I have the exact same policy since I was a purple belt. Rolling with the lower belts, I always go for the kill in the first seconds. Real pressure, speed and submissions. Then I just go with the flow, letting them do their moves or even leading them to train the positions taught thay day. And I never let anyone submit me. If they do, it was totally for real.
The Rich Rule sounds very appealing and reasonable. Thanks Chewy and Rich!
The Rich that chewy is talking about is a black belt at the gym I started at. He’s awesome and continues to teach the Rich Rule. First time I rolled with him, he 10 finger guillotined me, triangled me, and straight ankled me within 1 minute. Then spent 5 minutes just letting me squirm and work around.
I did a "Yeeeessss!" once. I was immediately deeply ashamed. It was more about me pulling off something that I had been practicing rather than doing well against the higher belt I was rolling with. Rolling can be an emotional experience sometimes and we're not always thinking as clearly as we would in the cold light of day.
That goes double for really new white belts who are being bombarded with new information and trying to make sense of it.
I can relate to that! As soon as I realized my mistake, I felt so bad! Think I just got carried away with the surprise that I made something work
I've made this mistake too. I had been trying to practice a move, I landed it, did the "Yeeeessss!" and then felt like an awkward ass for about a week of rolling.
I still don't understand why celebrating is demonized, if it wasn't basketball game it wouldn't feel ashamed to celebrate would you? It's the same thing
The only difference is that people have very fragile egos when it comes to Combat training, because in any other setting it would be perfectly normal to celebrate but in Jiu-Jitsu people get offended which is against everything that Jiu-Jitsu stands for, I wouldn't be upset if someone celebrated after they tapped me regardless of belts and all that other bulshit
@@adamzoubi96 I think its also because people really value the communities we have in BJJ and it doesn't help the community to rub it in. I don't take offence at minor celebrations but if your training partners only see you as an obstacle then they tend not to be the people I'd want as long term training partners. That's all.
As ur fans for years I think we deserve to see some of ur mma footage to get us thru these hard time’s :)
I'll see what I can do.
Chewjitsu thanks chewi :)
Yes!
It’s just ego. Ignore it. If they stick around, they’ll wise up. If they don’t, they’re dust in the wind.
No ego Is letting a newbie work to learn and build confidence but then getting butt hurt when the newbie gains confidence so then you feel the need to beat the newbie you already know you can beat.
@@jonahcooke2735 that's 100% about your ego. I don't give one shit what the new guy thinks he will learn his place when it matters. Don't let him work if you are gonna cry when the new guy smiles. People like you are why noobs don't come back. Sad.
I agree with you.
@@blaydes4612 The escalation is down to both sides letting their ego getting the better of them. It's a problem in all facets of life, even outside the gym.
@@andrewford80 The noob isnt coming in with an ego or you aren't going to let him work or he has no confidencence and you let him work to feel good about it, learn, build confidence and make them want to come back aka inflate ego... Don't let him if you can't handle it
Chew, there is a famous Brazilian saying that roughly translates to “beware of F-boys.” You’re unwritten rule is straight wisdom. Great advice.
When I initially rolled with one of the brown belts at my school he was nice & let me roll (i.e. he didn’t kill me). I NEVER thought ONE SECOND that I was mystically “good”, but I have experience in other arts so I understood this.
One other brown belt ALWAYS taps you out; though he let’s you tire your azz out first, if he likes you.
Chewie's approach is exactly what I do. I like to show them power the power of jiujitsu, but then show them I am letting them work.
I can definitely see the truth in your message. Just got promoted to blue belt and got 2 times worse all of a sudden. My blue belt friends and higher training partners are putting on the heat. The white belts are trying to go after me with more aggression as well.
Great video!
Kind of late to the party, but they don’t call em “blue belt blues” for nothing. I’m 46 yo blue belt that had a long lay off from an injury. Now that I’m back it, I’m constantly fighting off never seen before funky attacks coming in from the higher colored belts, and four strip athletic white belts coming in for the kill.
We take a really similar approach with new people in fencing. It helps them realize you're letting them work and helping them rather than that they're amazing and don't need to learn.
Lesson: people can learn a lot from a nice humble ass kicking.
I love this guy's attitude/temperament..
I am brand new I just get smashed regularly and look forward to it. I figure in 9 or 10 years I will get a submission lol
same lol, shit is fun as hell
You'll totally get one way before then and it'll feel awesome!
6 months brother. It’ll click 🤙🏼
Keep at it man. A mew person will come in and you’ll catch them. They will then want to roll with you plenty because you’re the nice guy. Then you will be able to work your subs. Just get better every time. Usually getting better means getting smashed. You have a positive attitude. That’s key.
I think it was 2 and a half months since I started when during rollling I passed someone's leg, took his back, and bow and arrow choked him. First submission ever.
The first guy I ever rolled with was super cool with me, I love him to this day. I also went home and googled “throat injuries”.
Had a new guy (older guy) used to box set up grapevines so heavy and so hard pressed ended up injuring my knee. I do love getting to talk with the guys as they come in and teach ‘em my way of roll with respect and we both go home safe
I wrestled in college. Just got into Jui Jitsu; I love it. Needless to say, currently a white belt and getting stomped a few times a practice. Learning and having fun!
Chewy, your a bright light during a shitty time! Thanks for sharing your wisdom, humility and insights 👍🏾👊🏾🙏🏾⭐️💫
Handed him a business card and offered a free month lol, thats perfect \m/
When I first started Jiu Jitsu I got paired with Blue belts sometimes and it was always immediately clear to me that they were just playing with me and making me work. It's pretty easy to tell when someone is going easy on you.
Loved this video! 3 stripe white belt here, I live for the rolls when a higher belt shows me what's possible in the first half of a roll, then teaches and let's me get some work in. I appreciate those guys so much!
Guys in my gym would let me work but would also submit me. " Give and Take" I learned so much. They let me think things through and apply them and at the same time they taught me by way of submission. I needed both
Long time watcher first time commenting, thanks man. could you possibly do a video on some cheeky submissions like from bottom mount/ side control? i understand they would be low percentage but we all smile when we get caught with something slick :)
I love an ezekiel or this choke I saw Keenan demo: ruclips.net/video/_a7BB1t5GWk/видео.html I've caught quite a few people with it because when you switch your hips people expect you to go for mount, so fun.
Edit: Just realised you meant bottom side control! If so, baseball chokes are a good sneaky one ruclips.net/video/77nO2Pf4lMU/видео.html
This just happened in our gym too! New white belt (I'm a mere purple who was told specifically to go easy) and let this new guy work with me a lot. Second time I saw him, the head instructor was out of town and I hear this guy instructing another new white belt during rolls and talking about how he's an aspiring UFC fighter. I grabbed the black belt instructing that night and asked if I could give that guy a lesson in humility. He has been a lot quieter since then.
Beating up on the new guys ? no need to get emotional Its just the practice room, buddy.
I'm new to Jui jitsu but I had my first lesson and I can't wait to get my ass back into the gym. These videos are awesome for me as a beginner.
Perfect advice!!!
Always loved it when my coach would roll with me and let me work what I know and then he would step things up on me and I would learn so much those rolls and it only made me better
having your black belts recognized on the wall is pretty neat idea
Similar thing happened to me and my professor told me a story where he went easy on a new guy and just let him work then the next day he never showed up left a review on yelp saying his a fake black belt LoL
Wow!
Why would I care if people think they beat me? They'll find out for real when we actually roll in competition. Otherwise, it's just practice for me. People go so hard these days it's crazy. Such an ego battle.
You don't care because you're not a coach. If some random guy off the street thinks he can beat everyone at your gym, he's going to tell everyone and it can hurt business. And people going hard isn't always an ego battle, a lot of times it's because people just enjoy going hard
You should care if you care about others succeeding. 'New guy' having a brief 'shock and awe' moment will affirm their confidence in the lessons taught an make them more attentive.
Read my mind. I would hope that most higher level belts are secure enough not to be bothered by McLovin wandering around thinking he’s the next Gordon Ryan. That being said, I think Chewy’s rule is a good one as long as you’re not spiteful and being careful not to injure the new guy. They need to understand where they are in their development and what’s possible with enough time and effort. My own perspective comes as a new guy to BJJ with a decade of wrestling under my belt. It’s taken a few hard lessons, but I’m changing my approach to ease up on the intensity and focus on fundamentals.
@@ficedulamortis6434 Agree, In my non expert opinion and having taken classes in and outside the USA, I noticed something interesting. In my experience, the way some gyms teach in the USA is for you to come back, sort of a more business like approach, keep you happy, motivated so you make it back to next class. Outside, it was more, proof to us you want to be here attitude, I will show you what this is about, and hopefully you will be back, wont miss you if you dont.
@anonymous Yep!! Been there, its a never ending hell jaja, we used to do it without stopping, as soon as you submit, straight to the next one
The instructor in our class was a lot like the "Rich Rule". He was good at mirroring energy and he would put us into submissions and let us try to fight out. But he would intentionally submit everyone at least a couple times a round. One time he was taking it easy and I jokingly said "You sitting down on the job?". He laughed and then submitted me faster than ever.
I really like the way you explain what you mean. You definitely have a understanding that most people don't have😂
I'd like your advice - My son is currently in a youth class. Him and this other kid have been rolling together for several months now. My son always ends up submitting the other kid.
Problem is that sometimes the other kid doesn't tap and gets hurt, eventually crying and my son stopping the roll (the other kid is very hard-headed and just believes that he can escape if he holds on just a few seconds longer...). My son used to feel real bad about hurting the other kid, butt now its my son thinking why doesn't the other kid just tap so it doesn't get to that point.
Some may say, "why doesn't your son just let go and transition to another position?" And my reply would be that this other kid would bring it up and boast that he had escaped, when he really didn't. The professor has many times over re-iterated to the entire class that you must tap *before* getting hurt. I believe the other kid just doesn't want to lose face and has an ego issue that may eventually cause a more serious problem. My son is very respectful and will always stop and check on his partner, he is just getting tired of having to "feel" bad for the other kid.
What do you think needs to happen in this situation, if any? We've had many discussions about this and have run through different scenarios, however all seem to come back to the answer that the other kid should just tap... then they would reset and begin another roll. In the end, they're just training, simple sparring. Everyone will get tapped eventually, why hold out?
Thanks in advance, look forward to hearing some feedback.
Hope he answers this. Tough question
Who cares if the other kid boasts that he escaped, whether it’s true or false? One of the most valuable lessons I’ve learned from training jujitsu is that winning isn’t the goal, and bragging only matters to people who don’t get that.
@@nbklepp Fine. If you think winning doesn't matter then that's fine, but you have a duty to your training partners to improve them. If they haven't learned that they need to tap, then you need to teach them to tap so they too can learn that "winning doesn't matter." If you don't do that, then you're failing your training partner and allowing him to fail in the future.
We go into the room together so that we can all fail now so we don't fail later. That's the purpose of training.
The mentality that will get you hurt because you are too proud to tap is exactly the same mentality that will get someone else hurt because you made a mistake and got swept by a lesser skilled grappler. This kid either needs to be taught to tap or he needs to be run out of the room. And I don't care if this kid is 8 or if he's 16, or not a kid at all. This is grappling, its serious business and people can get seriously hurt.
Taking your training partner's safety into your hands sometimes means letting them know that they're in danger without escape.
@@insidetrip101 how do you teach someone to tap? Do you break their arm then calmly ask them what they should have done differently afterwards? If you try to hold them while they try to struggle, then unless you’re a much better grappler than they are that sounds like a dangerous situation to me. Even if you’re a much better grappler it still sounds dangerous.
If they don’t get the idea when they’re caught, there’s not much you can do to help them except catch and release and hope they catch on in the future. Or maybe have a conversation with them about if you think they’re getting to be a danger to themselves. If they don’t learn the lesson, that’s on them. Maybe talk to your instructor about it if you think they’re going to hurt themselves, but it seems like savior complex to me to think you have a duty to make sure they learn this lesson. Do your best, but recognize that maybe it won’t happen this time and move on to keep things safe.
Not to mention, that doesn’t sound like a lesson that a child should be trying to hand out. For them especially, better to just inform an adult instructor and let them handle the problem.
I feel like you may be being a bit alarmist here as well. Maybe this child is a serial offender who’s behavior is starting to or already has veered into dangerous territory, in which case it is the instructors responsibility to find a safe solution. Maybe he’s just an immature child in which case it is the instructors responsibility to find a solution. Or maybe an immature adult in which case... it is ultimately the instructors responsibility to find the solution. Either way, find a competent, safe instructor, keep them informed and trust them to provide a safe training environment is probably your safest option, along with tapping quickly and often and putting on submissions slowly, gently, and letting go quickly as well.
To me it sounded like the original post was worried more about his son’s ego than anything else. Maybe I’m wrong about that.
@@nbklepp You're right, it is up to the instructor to find the safe solution, and no I'm not saying you break your training partner's arm everytime they don't tap. I'm also not saying that you break a limb of some new person who doesn't know any better. That's not what this scenario is about.
This scenario is about a kid that obviously should know better, and its obvious that the op's son isn't the kind of kid that's going to rip the submission and maim another person for life just because they're not tapping. HOWEVER, there is no reason for the op's son to feel bad when this training partner gets hurt. Just no reason for him to feel bad about that.
And spare me the pyschoanalysis about how I "care" about the op's son's ego. I could just as easily make a facile argument about how you care about the other kid's ego. I'm not interested in having a dumb conversation about that.
What I am interested in having a conversation about is this patty-cake mentality when it comes to jiujitsu. Yes, jiujitsu has the reputation for being the "gentle art" (I don't actually know japanese, so I don't know if that's actually an appropriate translation), but at the end of the day this is stuff that can kill and maim people, and its not a joke. This is an activity about making yourself stronger, and that is the very definition of what training is, and if you really don't think that you have an obligation to make your training partners stronger, then I'm glad that I don't train with you.
I specifically said there are two options, either this kid has to learn and understand the gravity of what he's doing, or he needs to be run out of the school. I agree, its up to the instructor to decide how these things happen, but this idea that you just let people who come to train with you to live in their own bubble is against the very concept of training and it brings down everyone in the room.
Back in the day, I liked training in martial arts because there were few overly competitive jocks. I keep hearing these BJJ dojo stories about aggressive wrestlers coming into the school and placing a heavy burden on the teacher and students. On the other hand, I've never had a problem with a student who couldn't tell the difference between learning a technique and randori. I think your blackbelt student's 3-sub rule is a good idea. Thanks for the video, peace.
I say, Let Intensity match Intensity. If they say they are new but attack you with 100%, then fine. Its on 100% you get back. If they are there to lose weight and say its their first day and you can tell, just make them work by putting on the pressure. But there is something I have noticed. Its always the new guy that hurts you, so going easy on them all is pointless, you are just going to get injured because every new guy wants that win over a higher rank. So the majority of the time no, do not go easy on someone new. But always match their effort and you will be golden.
You’re forgetting that they might not know how to not go 100%. More over, if you can use 1% and nullify them, isn’t that a pretty good lesson they’ll learn?
Our gym was doing a promotion to try to get our towns local first responders in..... so i get paired up with this young fit cop.....i go ultra light on him to work on my defense against untrained people, and i wanted to see how he moved to see the average cops level of grappling.... after the end of the round he said since you are a blue belt and I beat you that round i guess I'm at a blue belt level...... in my mind he had cashed his check the next time we rolled..... but sadly he never came back 😂😂😂
ugh you messed up hes probably walking around with inflated ego knowing he beat blue belt without any training lmmfoa
@@omar619kamis I'm sure of it lol
I'm an officer when I first started I told everyone to smash me, I wanted to see first hand how little I knew and how much I needed to learn. It put my ego in place and gave me proper perspective I believe to learn.
@anonymous actually to tell the truth most people there have 2 or 3 years that I train with so I'm good but thanks for the advise brother
“Hey chewy I got a story to tell”.... tells the most unique experience story that not a lot of people can’t relate to
Chewy: I got a story that might help 😉
Great video and great answer. I always have to explain this to the higher belts in the gym. They usually either go way too lite or way too hard on the new guys. However when you summit them it should be with clean effortless technique. Then you help them learn. Best of both worlds. Thanks for sharing.
Aha! You're not supposed to think you are doing well. You're supposed to admire me and be the way I want.
Before watching the video: I feel more often than not, showing how you are dominant but not going super hard on a new guy (unless they already are showing humility) works best
Such awesome advice. Thank you 🙏
Always humbled me whenever higher belts put you in a heel hook and just give you a stare before cranking down to allow for tap to let you know that there is levels to this
Subbed. I'm new to muay Thai and fell victim to the "being better than everyone else" syndrome. Like u said sign me uppppp
This is why I believe in heel hooking white belts
Anytime anyone lower than brown gets me even close to a heel hook i tap because...fuck that
@Porrada Everyday Yeah I'm a wrestler, started in high school took some interest in catch afterwards. So leglocks were kind of my thing when I first started submission grappling.
@Porrada Everyday I should've said when I first started(yes im still new only 2 stripe white belt) but,before i knew who knew what i didnt risk it
I don't train, but I was jock and love the Ritchual. Makes perfect sense. Great video.
You mentioned the “Rich Rule” in an earlier video and I’ve definitely been using it. I think it’s a great idea to first let them know reality first, that way they immediately recognize when I’m letting them work. It’s a great rule. Thanks Chewie
"I was letting you work bro?" confused exacerbated tone (that made me laugh out loud haha)
Love the new opening. Just started BJJ for the first week and im LOVING it. Thanks so much for the videos chewy! Keep on rollin on
Something that I've found helps is to mention at the beginning if I'm going in trying to work on a specific thing before we get going.
I am a Judo brown belt, and whenever I am training with a new or less experienced person I just dial back the amount of strength I use and go for full technique. That way I am getting some extra practice while saving my strength for the guys for whom I need it.
Rich is a wise man. Can also take the time to explain that you’ve been at this for a while and they can get there too. Bring them into ‘the fold’.
As a 57-year-old white belt, and the oldest guy in the dojo, I actually prefer to roll with the higher rank belts. I noticed that whenever I roll with another white belt, it is far more exhausting because we always seem to be out to prove something to each other. I always appreciate the fact that the higher belts are not out to kill me! Great video!
Love the Rich rule! I enjoy rolling with the higher belts (even the ones I already know) that start by going somewhat full speed and then let me work a bit
This happens when I roll with some friends lol they’re like “woah dude it took you 5 minutes to finally tap me when you have amateur fights & i haven’t really trained anything”
Great advice. I have had a similar experience with going too easy with new guys. Thank you!
Its perfect, not only for the reasons you described, but so the new guy can know how good they could be if they continue to train in your gym.
I like this idea because as a new guy it helps to know you are learning from people that know what they are doing!
Who submitted me? Who that guy? that’s the guy who couldn’t shrimp 😂 that cracked me up 😂
This is a thing in kickboxing too if a new guy gets cocky or over confident and punches/kick with clear intent to hurt we give em a combo and a Sweet leg kick to let them know
Chewy I have an unusual question: how do you deal with small, fast dudes? As opposed to big, hulking giants
+1
Good question! I'll save it for a video.
Chewy has a couple of videos about this from a long time ago. He suggests that you embrace the little guy mentality. Learn to be the big guy who is mobile. Instead of crushing them, try to move like them. It will not be easy at first, but it will make your game even more technical and you will begin to catch partners your size during scrambles and transitions all the time .
Check out:
ruclips.net/video/xJeGMmoJgg4/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/VnsBHX5RBVQ/видео.html
Training or competition?
Comp? Squash/immobilize them.
Training? Be technical and try not to overly use your strength/weight advantage.
Being a small fast guy caught a much larger higher ranked belt in a triangle. He destroyed my lower posterior chain fighting the sub. Couldn’t do any exercising other then stretching for 2 weeks. I don’t think I’ll be doing that again lol
I like this as an idea for "breaking in" new higher energy students, younger students etc. I generally avoid submitting new students myself; I go for the completely dominate and put them in very controlled positions where they really can't move (like taking their back, officer control from side etc), then transition to another complete control position. Once that has happened, I then help them through some basic escapes or passes to let them feel some progress. I do this because new people generally don't even understand they are in a submission; especially chokes; and with some joint locks if they try to escape the wrong way they can actually hurt themselves; so I just go with complete control.
I've started over again after a long break due to a serious injury, but in my first class with my first coach he put me with a 16 year old white belt 3 stripe that weighed about 55kg. I thought "seriously"?? He submitted me again and again and again with ease and at that moment I lost any ego that I had and I knew this martial art was seriously legit. It does you good to get humbled in your first few lessons.
With new guys i always go hard but at the same times easy, like put them in uncomfortable spots without finishing them, just to make them understand that 1. There are levels to this shit and u most say humble at all times and 2. That is still a training environment and that I'm here to help you improve so we can roll till the end of time
Mate I’ve watched several of your clips today as I was thinking of visiting my local studio / dojo and have found your videos motivational and without sounding like a pussy it’s given me confidence, I’m almost 50 and have always wanted to learn jujitsu but Ive been conscious of some injuries I’ve picked up from other sports. Watching your videos has given me the confidence to crack on and get on the mat, I’m going Monday evening (tomorrow) and cant wait to start.
It’s been a year, who is Jiujitsu training going?
I’m only 5 months in and have learned to let go of my ego. I’ve submitted blue belts but I don’t care now. I’m there to learn. So I take weekly turns on what I’m working on. I work my defense mostly and if I get tapped then so be it. Bump fists, go again.
One day I got submitted 4 times in 5 minutes because I kept putting myself in the same situation. I finally learned how to stop that. I love this sport and I’m so glad I finally found it.
I had a pretty bad experience "putting it on someone." I'd noticed in the past that I had sometimes been too gentle with certain people, so that I gave them a sense that grappling was easier than it was. There was a student who was totally respectful to me, who I'd kind of taken under my wing at an MMA gym that I was coaching grappling at. We'd never really rolled live and one day, I decided to roll live and basically dominate him, just to show him that I wasn't blowing smoke and that I knew what I was doing. I never saw the guy again. I told him what my intentions were and that I wasn't always going to roll at that speed, but I guess I must have come off like a bully. Or maybe I was being a bully. I just know it is something I've always regretted, because we seemed to be forging a good relationship up until that point.
I have some stories like this, heres one that stands out
The gym I used to work it, was a full service health club and we had a mat room specifically for martial arts classes. Good sized facility, solid 1000sq feet of mat space in that room
This one former highschool wrestler would bug me all the time at the end of the day "hey man want to roll??"
And after running classes all day last thing I want to do is field challenges from randos at the gym
So I always tell him "if you want to roll with me just come to class"
And one day he got me on a day, I still hadn't changed out of my stuff and I said ok, know what? I have a few minutes so let's go.
And immediately hes trying to weasel out of it, aahh well I mean if you're busy...
Nah I'm not, let's go
Ohh looks like theres some people in the room, we can do it another time
Dont worry about it, theres plenty of space
So I set the clock for 5 minutes and it went exactly as expected, he went TESTOSTERONE at me for 15 seconds and completely gassed out then I gave him the business for 3 and a half minutes with some chokes and ankle locks, 5 or 6 subs and then he quit with more than a minute on the clock because hes sucking wind and didnt want to play anymore 🤷🏻♂️
So I go and get changed and on the way out I pass him and overhear him talking shit to some people "yeah he was ok but just used all strength against me" (we are the same size mind you, in fact with his gut he was probably a solid 25 heavier)
So I confronted him right there, i said what are you talking about i used all strength against you?
"Well at that one point when I went for mount and you just pushed me off" (hes referencing when he overcommitted and I stiff armed him in the armpit to push him over)
Yeah? That's your fault bro, if I can do that it means YOU are doing something wrong, this is why I've been telling you to come to class
Anyway I never saw that guy around the gym again
Chew I would submit you in a minute
No half measures
Do you have a gun?
No need I submitted Chew many times@@TheRedeemed117
@Daniel Lopez it's a better call Saul joke
Idk if I can submit him, but I can definitely escape anything he throws at me using Master Kens Double Tap Escape technique. 😆 The Ba-Jay-Jay players are completely powerless against the Double Tap Escape.
I've done the "Rich Rule" for years, hilarious. Now it has a name. Thanks
hey man great stuff! im just curious why not any dialogue before hand to prevent it all. something like " hey man you want me to play it cool or do you want me to give it a real go?" or something like that and within that one question you set those boundaries like that are percieved instantly like " okay my choice this guy can go ham but im gonna tell him to play it cool at first" lmao i feel one very simple question can solve it all
I'm an old guy who wrestled in college, followed by a lot of time coaching in wrestling rooms, but I'm brand new to jiujitsu. I really appreciate the peer-to-peer teaching aspect of jiujitsu. It is very different in a wrestling room.
The wrestling room culture is highly competitive; the only person in a wrestling room who is not expected to go 100% during a live "roll" is a coach against a wrestler, and this is because of the skills mismatch that would essentially prevent the wrestler from improving and learning. Everyone else is at full speed all the time. The way wrestlers improve is by aiming to "roll" with teammates who are slightly better than them.
I have to admit, the idea of "toning it down" doesn't sit well with me, but I can see that it is a byproduct of the fact that everyone in a jiujitsu gym is supposed to play the role of "coach." ...and that is something that I really do like. I wonder if it is possible to have both? (by the way, I appreciate the chanel, thanks)
As a coach at my gym if I am going against a new guy and he is pretty cocky or aggressive I usually submit them right out of the gate to let them know I can submit them if I want, then I noticeably take the tempo down and let them work. Unfortunately people talk and you have to ego check sometimes, not with all of course but some.
I think a little communication beforehand would help greatly to clear things up. Before you roll, why don't you just tell the new guy "Hey, I'm going to take it easy on you first, and the next roll, if you want, I can increase the intensity"
This'll help in 2 ways as 1) they'll know off the bat that their partner is taking it easy rather than getting a big head and thinking they're amazing. And 2) if they truly are terrible or timid, it helps to boost confidence and ease them into the sport.
I will now mentally keep "the rich rule" in my head whenever I roll with anyone new.
Great advice and great stories!
Always take choice B. Put it on them. Another funny thing is, sometimes I am rolling with a huge 200lbs+ wrestler I am also working on things. Like for instance I am working ground game or some new half-guard stuff I learned.
I think the higher belts at my gym like a variety of training partners (as do we all) because do the nuance each individual presents as a problem to be solved while rolling. I remember a coach insisting I stay and roll open mat after class once and I think it was because he wanted me to gain experience while simultaneously seeing how many different ways he could choke out a larger opponent (I’ve got 80lbs on him and I was choked thoroughly for 30 minutes). But he was a nice guy about it, he let me hop escape and reguard once, so that was a big confidence boost just seeing that the technique when applied would work.
I’m constantly trying not to compare myself to anyone except the person I was last week; I’m trying to be a good training partner for all my teammates whether they have more experience or less, more muscle or less.
We ain’t talking bout the game, the game I love, we talking bout practice. Practice. We talking bout practice.
100% agree with this. I know anybody who has ever trained has been through this. When the new guy says I almost submitted you. Your response...FINISH HIM (Mortal Kombat Voice)
quite remarkable how little people understand the dynamics of good training - even on higher levels..
Thanks for these nuggets of gold chewy 😁
Good advice.
Love the videos btw
When I first started over a year ago these two built wrestler friends came in and they looked really similar, but one in particular would always go 100%. I usually survived them without using up all my energy as I had a month or two in at the time, but when the one guy in particular got something, they’d put it on hard and fast. I’d be comfortable if they were well established, but I dreaded having to roll with them. Eventually I told him to stop it when I had him in closed guard and was just letting him waste energy and he got frustrated so he pushed my arm behind my back over my head really hard and tried to use my weight to put a lock on. I just tapped him and said something along the lines of “hey man we’re rolling, go for stuff like that in competition. You could really hurt one of us here.” I think he got the memo after that but that was around the time I left to do my study abroad so we never rolled much after regardless.
Thank you professor. I'm still learning and teaching and I've been wondering about this very concept myself.
As a white belt coming from a wrestling background I was excited every time I got submitted. I wanted to know what it felt like getting set up so I knew what to look out for.
Great Video Have Had this conundrum before Well up for the Rich Rule.
The “rich rule” was dope thanks for sharing
Lmao too funny. “THATS THE GUY WHO COULDN’T DO THE SHRIMP!”
From the first day in Kenpo My Sensei raved about me I was teaching the schools beginning classes from the first day because I have always worked on flexibility so I could mimic all of the kicks with power and I had boxed early on so I could mimc the punches with power. From the first day I was on the competition fighting team I Loved the art. I was 6' 220lbs and Sensei wanted me to stay at heavyweight because I carried my weight well. My Sensei was 5'5" maybe 135lbs multi world champion and he allowed me to dominate him for the sake of teaching me technique. But for not one second did I think he could not turn my lights out or break a bone of his choosing at any time. We would warm up together (a great honor) before class and I would show the bruises left like medals won.
The very first class I ever did walking in, it was an “all belts class”. I probably should of gone to a “beginners class”. I rolled with a black and brown belt. Both were all defense. They pretty much let me do what I want and just let me exhaust myself out. And looking back I really appreciate it. They could of obviously destroyed me, but had they done that I would of had a negative view and probably never come back. But they were super nice, talked to me throughout the roll and even told me what to do in certain positions. There is four BJJ schools in my city and I truly believe I just happened to walk into the right one. I think the thing that really meant a lot is the higher belts remembered and called me by name. Within the first couple of days, I would walk in and a brown belt would say, “Hey Chris! How are you feel?” and it just made me feel like I belonged.
Bro said he was gon give him a month free just to whoop his a$$😂😂
Seems like everyone at my old gym would go hard on the new guy. Really sucked at first. Especially people with low self esteem already.
Our gym we usually give them blue or purple because they would go easy on them and walk them through and help to prevent them from spazzing, then by 3rd or 4th day they would get white belts to kinda get the jest of things. Professor usually gave me new people but I would never sub until the last second and give them a little resistance and let them out of my guard then put them back to kinda understand whats going on
A lot of higher belts will also work on the moves they don't have down yet on the lower belts which is nice, it allows the higher levels to practice new moves and setups while never being in danger and allows the lower levels to practice escapes and hand fighting they are still learning. Makes it so both parties get something out of the roll.
Yeah you got my sub! We just opened an Academy behind the gym I train at (I’m a PT.) and I had been waiting to start doing Jiu Jitsu! The instructor over our academy let’s everyone roll as hard as they want as long as it’s mutual agreed upon between partners...... needless to say my first experience with just top pressure had me sold lol.
Great perspective chewy!