+David Morrin I am good, I honestly feel my team always feeds I never feed. I am better than my teammates in every single aspect. I really don't know why I am in bronze 4. I always get my full 50cs at 10 min and I kill my enemies at least 10 times in lane, while only dying 9 times. My noob teammates that go 0-0 are doing nothing at all. My jungler never ganks and my mid and top always lose.
"How many times must you lose because of "not playing well" before you realise that your bias memories of peak performances have misled you?" Damn that is provocative, wise, and guiding af.
Nik325 im someone who always has had a natural skill for video games (lack skill in other areas) but being always on top 1% of the players in every game i touch and having to play with a friend that puts up excuses triggers me a lot.
+Martín Fdez. - Lasarte same, I'm just getting really silent suddenly if they keep making up excuses. It's like they understand they are retarded then.
+Lion Reichelt He might of been, not too sure about that. Even if he was I think he's lived in America a long time, heard him on streams a few times and he has no european accent at all.
Wise words from the blessed Thorin god. We are privileged, that he humbles himself to share such wisdom. So that we maybe able to escape our web of lies we've wrapped amongst ourselves. To know the truth and clearly see the righteous path.
You know, this actually helped. I think since my depression fucks me over so much, I constantly look for something I'm good at, and I fall into this realm you talk about, of the "perfect plays"
should i be silver elite master if i usually lose because my teammates aren't that good, i'll go 41 and 17 and still win the game 16-14, i always tried to go where the open spots are and help, working as a team is key, soloqueueing is a key of de-rank, any help to improve of helping teammates?
Andreas Gabriel Vannas My biggest advice is to make friends that are good. You *can't* solo-queue on CS:GO, it's just too random and you never know if your teammates are going to be good or not. But if you have 2-3 friends that are around your skill-level, want to win and you're comfortable playing with, you'll have a better chance of winning your games. You can't improve random teammates, but if you're playing with the same people all the time you can give them tips and pieces of advice before/during games that will allow you to win matches together. Don't be afraid to be the strat-caller in matches and orchestrate how your team is playing, especially if you're an anxious person like me, but remember to always be calm and kind to your comrades.
Reminds me of a talk given by Carol Dweck, "Developing a Growth Mindset". People who ended up thinking that they are so great end up feeling their world view threatened by failure, rather than seeing the opportunity for enjoying the joy of making improvements!
Thorin, thank you so much for explaining this. I had heard this before but didn't quite understand it and just kind've tossed the idea away that this is the real thing that's going on. I thought I was in a slump. Mainly because I wasn't enjoying the game as much as I used to because I was just trying to get back to the level I used to be at, or the level that I thought was my normal level. I counted up the matches I played per month and compared it with my RWS. (RWS is what is used on ESEA to determine your skill for those of you who don't know) What I found was that, the month I had my highest RWS I only had played 7 matches, the month with a pretty high RWS but not as high as the other month I had 25 matches, and the worst month for my RWS I had played 56 matches. I always thought I had been in a slump. When, in reality, this IS my true level. Thorin, you have no clue how much I would like to thank you for opening up my eyes to this. I feel so fortunate to come across this vid as this is exactly what I have been looking for. Thank you once again for opening up my eyes and making me realize what was actually going on. I'll never be able to pay you back even if I made all the skrilla that you do on AlphaDraft ;)
this video really made me thinking about myself in games and even in my job.. ".. assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others" i ve never seen it like this.. but i did exactly this.. good episode, thank you.
Man Thoorin is a fucking genius. Everything he says is the cruel truth. But the thing is getting out of that delusional bubble that people put themselves in is not an easy task it means controlling/overcoming your arrogant ego every human being has and facing reality. This video is GOLD any person involved in competitive activities should watch this video. Thanks Thooorin
Problem is that it is very hard to notice this effect in mm since you are matched with mostly worse or same skilled players so you can't notice how bad you are. Learning how to accept mistakes and bad plays is a skill that has to be learnt. Silvers, Nova, MGs gotta understand that
I mean that logic doesn't really work because that suggests everyone youre matched with is worse than you but then it also suggests that they're better than you because you say you get matched with worse people so the fact that they are matched with you makes you better and the fact that you are matched with them majes them better XD
Nick879 it was a very long winded method of ball busting im just saying that it is impossible for everyone to be matched with someone worse as there will always be a best player
Great video. To add to your final points; focusing on your practice and the hours you put in means you appreciate the things you have control over (compared to a 5v5 random team match).
From the Comp OW Subreddit here. This is why tracking tools are such an invaluable thing to prevent tilt and monitor improvement. My absolute best games ever have been pro-level, e.g. top 1% everything, zero-death, etc. But my average games are at around the 6% level (GM,) and my lowest games at around the 10% level (M.) Now, I climbed from low gold to diamond in S3 over 150 hours, to top 13%. I know for a fact that this is below the average level that I can play at! But I was happy with the performances that I made at the end of the season. If I can consistently play at or above the 6% level, I will consistently move up toward it, and that is all that matters. THAT SAID, I find it asinine that Blizzard has not reset between seasons. I have improved in mechanical skill, positioning and game knowledge tremendously since I first started playing OW (though not as much as I would like!) and that my MMR is still tied to a time before I even attempted to make improvements is absurd.
Does anyone else feel like this video is kinda inspiring to make you try harder? I can fully admit that I have competitive anxiety with the LoL ranked system because I am afraid of losing but after this video I feel like Im inspired to just fuckin go for it man
I feel like you're explaining what LS says to a lot of the people he coaches, but in a much more eloquent and well thought out way. Fantastic video mate, one of your best and most intriguing. Mad respect from this humble guy.
this vid definitely helped me with faceit ranking anxiety. i cant get past a certain level and i accept that its due to my fundamentals. if more players took this humble yet scientific and realistic approach, there would be less comparison, jealousy, denial, anger and blaming towards others in matches.
Great video and applies to any sport really. Have seen this phenomenon (and been guilty about it myself too) many times." I should have won, bad day, he was lucky, I'm better really and so on." If you keep on losing you simply are not better. I think it really is tied to the fundamentals. You can't be truly good in any sport without knowing them. Good fundamentals bring consistency, which is a very under appreciated quality. Good and consistent player is much more valuable than very good but unconsistent. Keep up the good work.
Long Post time!!!! This video reminded why I even played conpetitive sports. When i played football/soccer (quitted recently, going back again when i get to college) my football coach(hall of fame in my place) NEVER, EVER made you practice something extremely complicated and skillful. He always practiced the simple stuff, in different enviroments and diferent scenarios. I remember always having the little 4v4, 3v3 matches just because those were the best place to practice dribling, passing, shooting, positioning, everything. I still im grateful because that guy was like 40+ year old and slow as fuck (had a beer belly by then) still rekt us by playing super extra simple stuff. He said: "football is easy, you complicate yourself". With that in mind, when we learned, we learned the fundamentals to the extreme making us have a great team chemistry and still remember to this day having won 2 tears in a row without losing a single game. The level of play was insane thanks to him. This, is what I've tried to implement to CSGO. I get to forget it and drown in the "good ol days" since i remembered the good games and tried to mimic them. Lately, i read a post from reddit that said: " Honestly, the level of aim in gn4-le is rather the same, its just your decision making and your mimd that fucks you up". That made me have flashbacks to the "play simple" mindset. Lately, i have been trying to just play the most simple CS i can do. Never overpeeking, not taking 1v5 or 1v1+ duels and judt wait for help unless they force me to get into the fights, never repeeking an awper even though I might have a 50%+ chance of getting it. And, lately i have found to be a much better player and much more solid than before. Even though, im not prioritizing my aim, more like nade usage, position, 7 bullet spray rule. This video reminded me of that Post that made me remember my days in soccer/football and i'm grateful that im still shit at the game and that i can't suddenly be great. I need to practice my fundamentals, and play simple, period. Thanks, Thoorin. Just like Cruyff said: "Football is easy, playing easy football is not".
+Thooorin this was a fantastic video, and it shines light as well on all aspects of peoples' lives, not only their relationship to games. This "bias" that you mention is present everywhere, in a person's relationship to themselves, to other people, and to what this person ACTUALLY knows versus what they THINK they know. This last one is particularly true, and particularly harmful. Absolutely everywhere you go, you find that everyone THINKS they know a lot, yes a whole lot, but what they do know IN REALITY is very far behind their illusory beliefs. Sometimes an individual will briefly wake up, and realize that there really is a certain "bias". But this person will quickly forget, and return to his or her ordinary life. If all of this makes sense to you, now you know also the destiny of your video.
this video has inspired me to solo queue for fun now. I have extreme ladder anxiety, and being told that I have it has made me realize how much it doesent actually matter.
thats why i suck at CT i was looking at the wrong things that i succeeded more in T. Thanks a lot thoorin just showed me the direction to become better
Thank you Thorin. It made me realize few minor mistakes from my personal view. Those 2 last minutes of the video really gave me a though, that "Man, I've been totally blind". I shouldnt be sad about 18/24 stats in de_inferno when we won. That doesnt mean I was bad. Or bad fragger or aimer. That's the level that I am! Your videos are just Gold. Thank you a lot, Thorin.
Wow, that video showed me my own position in cs, perfectly showed me what to do and how to change my attitude to be able to improve. I want to thank you a lot for publishing this.
Thanks for making me realize that I am much worse than I thought. :> These videos are why you're my favorite. This concept applies to much more than gaming. Thanks for the thoughts, Thooorin.
agree totally with thorin. In some videos of pro basketballers like wade/ lebron james, they often practice not the highlight plays but the fundamental of the game. where you practice the fundamental enough to be better then the stars and become mega stars. "work on the fundamentals, great things happens on the court, happpen on an instincts. Those things cant be teach. You need the fundamentals to put on the position to do the highlights plays. His (Wade) greatness takes over.- David Fizdale , assistant coach of Miami heat
OMG, thanks torin, I was so scared to loose my rank and always blamed it on not having enough warmup, thank you so much, I did not realize I was living in a bubble being too scared to derank, just because I want to be good
Thooorin i have to say this video just opened my eyes i was always looking at my best scores, but i now know to get a general look at my performance. Something that i always noticed is when i perform poorly i have the habit to blame other people for it and also start to flame. Ill now try to work on those issues and for improving trying to master one element of the game before trying something again. I have to say it again great video
Thorin. You nailed it. I am one of these people who think they are playing on a really high level but thats not the case. You opened my eyes thanl you.
I tend to have the opposite mindset when it comes to evaluating my own plays. I usually take some time to watch games in which I feel I made bad plays and critically review them with a focus on everything I did wrong. Sometimes I notice I push out too much, take wrong fights or am poorly positioned etc and I can actively use that whenever Im in a next game and feel the same urge to push out somewhere I get inpatient etc. I think a mindset like this is a key factor in improving, whether it be for gaming or any other part of your life. Fail - critically review - dont beat yourself up over it - think of ways to do it better - test improvements - Hardwire improvements so that they become a habit - look for the next thing you suck at and repeat process.
Yo thooorin, this is why most of us never replay what we thought was the most outplay we have ever done, because if we replay it as how it really happen it would look lame. So remember once and keep it. Makes us feel good. :D
That's why recording your gameplay is so useful. To revise it. Shadowplaying 'great' moments I think I've had, I always end up seeing flaws in parts of what I remember. Looking at unnecessary peaks, deaths, reloads while monitoring KPM, ACC and HSR in certain FPs games.
With the CS part of improvement I have to agree. I was stuck over a year and a half in DMG wondering why I didn't hit LE yet. Then I dont know if it was in some Thorin's Thoughts or he said it on analyst desk, but he recommended for anybody to just watch how Krimz plays. What angles he takes, what duels he takes positions etc. And it made me 1000% better player. Great positioning>aim
My biggest weakness was finding my identity beyond just support, I discovered a love for sona and lulu. I have played 1500 games of bots over 4 years just practicing my cs. I have 1200 normals and 1000 ranked matches. When it comes to improving Thorin is right, you have to recognize when you are beat and learn from the mistakes, but gauge your skills on more than a few games :)
Has anyone ever wondered what it would be like to see yourself play from the enemy perspective? I've always thought, "what does my gameplay look like to them? Am I sloppy? Am I lucky? Or am I a good opponent that is hard to deal with?" And with that thought I've always wondered what it would be like to 1v1 yourself. I wonder if I would be able to outplay myself to win. Kind of like in Ocarina of Time when you have to fight shadow link. It's almost like having to figure out your own weaknesses and adapt to them. Maybe that's a weird thought but I think it would be interesting.
What i do is watch my Demo's. First, ill watch myself and see what im doing wrong. If i did not catch it while im playing. Then i'll watch from an enemy's perspective on how they died by me or how they killed me. Def gives you a whole new perspective on how you play. Helped me a lot.
I like your discussion of farming, especially after watching lots of LS lately, since he focuses heavily on farm in coaching. Makes me think of macro econ management in SCBW, since all the games I've watched of Flash the casters praise how uphill it is to fight long games against him
I love to think I'm an amazing Zarya if see gold medals or if I get on the board but then we consistently lose or I watch my gameplay, or even acknowledge these things are not consistent and realize I'm not what I think I am. Acknowledging one's true level is definitely the first step to improving.
This does remind me of the time where I got 2 games off of a Gold player in Street Fighter 5. Overall I got wreckt by that guy, but it showed me clearly what I have to work on. I'm confident in my progress, I can make this work. For the amount I have played, I'm definitely above my ranking. However I'm more of a thinker. I think about situations and try to come up with a solution
That mentality is why I'm currently "pleased" with playing at MGE on CSGO. I occasionally will have "monster" games where I play amazingly, but usually I end with 20 frags, and doing the right things for the most part. I'm of course looking at getting better, but I'm at the same time aware that I don't belong in any higher ranking at my current level of play. If just some of my teammates would realise the same thing, we'd be golden.
I am a terrible player, but I try to improve by not being toxic to my teammates and actually motivate them and myself to keep focused on the game. Non-toxicity and clearness on the roles is one of the core parts to work as a whole engine in my opinion.
The only attitude for success in any game is thinking you're better than anyone else at all times. Thinking you can kill and outperform everyone, oozing confidence. That's a winners mentality. Over-analyzing, over-thinking everything all the time is the way of the analyst, where you can't be wrong since you know the outcome. Captain Hindsight is the a losing mentality.
+Torfi Gíslason I halfway agree. Confidence is important no doubt. But what you're describing sounds more like cockiness. over-confidence makes you reckless and can cause you to underestimate your enemy, which will make you disregard your mechanics and game sense. On the other hand, no confidence makes you timid which causes you to not take advantage of a good situation and ends up making you get caught in a bad situation instead. You have to find the perfect middle point between the two.
I think certain people live their lives this way. For example, their life can be kind of boring or mundane yet they dwell on the positive experiences too much.
Thanks for the reality check man. I need to work on pistols, strategies, better positioning, my m4 in general, and i want too learn more smokes, pop flashes. And maps like cbbl,, overpass, and train I'm going to go practice now thanks man.
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” yeah i know ive watched that. RN im just insecure dad, lost global debating with myself if my level has dropped from not practicing enough.
I feel smart now, because even before this video, I knew I was absolute dogshit.
Me too! xD
Amen good sir. I eventually learned to humble up and how to jump on people's backs so they can carry my heavy ass across the finish line.
+David Morrin I am good, I honestly feel my team always feeds I never feed. I am better than my teammates in every single aspect. I really don't know why I am in bronze 4. I always get my full 50cs at 10 min and I kill my enemies at least 10 times in lane, while only dying 9 times. My noob teammates that go 0-0 are doing nothing at all. My jungler never ganks and my mid and top always lose.
Same
+Enrique Aalders i know why and ive never seen u play :3
one of my favourite videos of thoorin's to date. this is a great topic.
He's got another one titled You Are Elo Hell. Very similar to this one.
+Hang Ten same really makes you re-think about the top level of competitive players
I love this guy. The topics he covers are authentic, no one else dares talk about them, and he hits the nail on the head every time.
Level of consistency doesn't rule game MMR for no reason. This video is something every single gamer in every singe game should watch.
"How many times must you lose because of "not playing well" before you realise that your bias memories of peak performances have misled you?" Damn that is provocative, wise, and guiding af.
This got me thinking, no point worrying about rank just play and try to be the best version of yourself :)
RIP ALPHADRAFT :'(
+puzzle RIPERINIO ALPHARINIO
+puzzle nice avatar
Where did my scrilla go?!
+puzzle :(
+puzzle did they drop him?
TLDR: The majority of humans (EspeciallyGamers) suffer from Dunning-Kruger effect.
That feel when you play with a friend that is relatively unskilled, you play with him for fun and he comes up with stupid excuses... awkward as fuck.
Nik325 im someone who always has had a natural skill for video games (lack skill in other areas) but being always on top 1% of the players in every game i touch and having to play with a friend that puts up excuses triggers me a lot.
+Martín Fdez. - Lasarte same, I'm just getting really silent suddenly if they keep making up excuses. It's like they understand they are retarded then.
+Martín Fdez. - Lasarte
So youre global elite?
I play with a friend that's silver and he thinks he's a better awper than me. He also thinks cloud 9 is the best team in the world.
I know that feel
Thank you for this video Thorin, such an important topic and very well discussed
Check out his "You are Elo Hell" video.
+AllBlue cant believe he is doing this for free, so much information, tipps and inside on the games. Im so grateful to thorin for doing this.
AUT Hackl That's true. Although he makes a pittance off YT ads.
True. :>
true :>
Gahtzu is a Captain Falcon main from Florida.
Just thought I'd clear that up.
Thx for being so constructive about it, and also i think he was Born in Germany (?)
+Lion Reichelt He might of been, not too sure about that. Even if he was I think he's lived in America a long time, heard him on streams a few times and he has no european accent at all.
+Razorryan as others said he was appraently born in Germany. I didn't know it either until he said it and I googled it.
+Razorryan You know he's from florida because 20GX
This video forced me to take a good hard look at myself a few years ago, across all aspects of my own life. I’m very appreciative of this!!
Wise words from the blessed Thorin god. We are privileged, that he humbles himself to share such wisdom. So that we maybe able to escape our web of lies we've wrapped amongst ourselves. To know the truth and clearly see the righteous path.
You know, this actually helped. I think since my depression fucks me over so much, I constantly look for something I'm good at, and I fall into this realm you talk about, of the "perfect plays"
this video is pure genius. even for your standards, sir.
Already missing the Alpha Draft intros :(
Thooorin talking about Melee?
This is incredible
great video very useful for those finding themselves unable to improve
should i be silver elite master if i usually lose because my teammates aren't that good, i'll go 41 and 17 and still win the game 16-14, i always tried to go where the open spots are and help, working as a team is key, soloqueueing is a key of de-rank, any help to improve of helping teammates?
Andreas Gabriel Vannas My biggest advice is to make friends that are good. You *can't* solo-queue on CS:GO, it's just too random and you never know if your teammates are going to be good or not. But if you have 2-3 friends that are around your skill-level, want to win and you're comfortable playing with, you'll have a better chance of winning your games. You can't improve random teammates, but if you're playing with the same people all the time you can give them tips and pieces of advice before/during games that will allow you to win matches together. Don't be afraid to be the strat-caller in matches and orchestrate how your team is playing, especially if you're an anxious person like me, but remember to always be calm and kind to your comrades.
+Andreas Gabriel Vannas you answered ur on question
Got friends who play csgo, got ranked up. twice in 2 days, got ranked up once again, now gold nova 3 :)
Reminds me of a talk given by Carol Dweck, "Developing a Growth Mindset".
People who ended up thinking that they are so great end up feeling their world view threatened by failure, rather than seeing the opportunity for enjoying the joy of making improvements!
Thorin, thank you so much for explaining this. I had heard this before but didn't quite understand it and just kind've tossed the idea away that this is the real thing that's going on. I thought I was in a slump. Mainly because I wasn't enjoying the game as much as I used to because I was just trying to get back to the level I used to be at, or the level that I thought was my normal level. I counted up the matches I played per month and compared it with my RWS. (RWS is what is used on ESEA to determine your skill for those of you who don't know) What I found was that, the month I had my highest RWS I only had played 7 matches, the month with a pretty high RWS but not as high as the other month I had 25 matches, and the worst month for my RWS I had played 56 matches. I always thought I had been in a slump. When, in reality, this IS my true level. Thorin, you have no clue how much I would like to thank you for opening up my eyes to this. I feel so fortunate to come across this vid as this is exactly what I have been looking for. Thank you once again for opening up my eyes and making me realize what was actually going on. I'll never be able to pay you back even if I made all the skrilla that you do on AlphaDraft ;)
this video really made me thinking about myself in games and even in my job..
".. assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others"
i ve never seen it like this.. but i did exactly this..
good episode, thank you.
Man Thoorin is a fucking genius. Everything he says is the cruel truth. But the thing is getting out of that delusional bubble that people put themselves in is not an easy task it means controlling/overcoming your arrogant ego every human being has and facing reality. This video is GOLD any person involved in competitive activities should watch this video. Thanks Thooorin
Problem is that it is very hard to notice this effect in mm since you are matched with mostly worse or same skilled players so you can't notice how bad you are. Learning how to accept mistakes and bad plays is a skill that has to be learnt. Silvers, Nova, MGs gotta understand that
Depends on the MM system. Sometimes you get matched with better skilled players. If you beat them then in theory you move up the ladders.
I mean that logic doesn't really work because that suggests everyone youre matched with is worse than you but then it also suggests that they're better than you because you say you get matched with worse people so the fact that they are matched with you makes you better and the fact that you are matched with them majes them better XD
John Smith Ummm ok? xD I don't understand that haha
Nick879 it was a very long winded method of ball busting im just saying that it is impossible for everyone to be matched with someone worse as there will always be a best player
I don't think I'm way higher than my current rank but I'm around least 2/3 rank
Beautiful ideas, very telling of Thorin's general philosophy. These are the videos I follow you for.
Great video. To add to your final points; focusing on your practice and the hours you put in means you appreciate the things you have control over (compared to a 5v5 random team match).
I feel like these are extremely wise words and honestly are going to reflect on my near future days thank you for this.
My favorite Thorin's thought so far, watched 2 and a half time allready :P
From the Comp OW Subreddit here. This is why tracking tools are such an invaluable thing to prevent tilt and monitor improvement. My absolute best games ever have been pro-level, e.g. top 1% everything, zero-death, etc. But my average games are at around the 6% level (GM,) and my lowest games at around the 10% level (M.) Now, I climbed from low gold to diamond in S3 over 150 hours, to top 13%. I know for a fact that this is below the average level that I can play at! But I was happy with the performances that I made at the end of the season. If I can consistently play at or above the 6% level, I will consistently move up toward it, and that is all that matters. THAT SAID, I find it asinine that Blizzard has not reset between seasons. I have improved in mechanical skill, positioning and game knowledge tremendously since I first started playing OW (though not as much as I would like!) and that my MMR is still tied to a time before I even attempted to make improvements is absurd.
Does anyone else feel like this video is kinda inspiring to make you try harder? I can fully admit that I have competitive anxiety with the LoL ranked system because I am afraid of losing but after this video I feel like Im inspired to just fuckin go for it man
I feel like you're explaining what LS says to a lot of the people he coaches, but in a much more eloquent and well thought out way. Fantastic video mate, one of your best and most intriguing. Mad respect from this humble guy.
this vid definitely helped me with faceit ranking anxiety. i cant get past a certain level and i accept that its due to my fundamentals. if more players took this humble yet scientific and realistic approach, there would be less comparison, jealousy, denial, anger and blaming towards others in matches.
Great video and applies to any sport really. Have seen this phenomenon (and been guilty about it myself too) many times." I should have won, bad day, he was lucky, I'm better really and so on." If you keep on losing you simply are not better. I think it really is tied to the fundamentals. You can't be truly good in any sport without knowing them. Good fundamentals bring consistency, which is a very under appreciated quality. Good and consistent player is much more valuable than very good but unconsistent.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you for this video. It's humbling, but I needed it. And now I'm obviously superior to silvers because I have this new knowledge (sarcasm).
Long Post time!!!!
This video reminded why I even played conpetitive sports. When i played football/soccer (quitted recently, going back again when i get to college) my football coach(hall of fame in my place) NEVER, EVER made you practice something extremely complicated and skillful. He always practiced the simple stuff, in different enviroments and diferent scenarios. I remember always having the little 4v4, 3v3 matches just because those were the best place to practice dribling, passing, shooting, positioning, everything. I still im grateful because that guy was like 40+ year old and slow as fuck (had a beer belly by then) still rekt us by playing super extra simple stuff. He said: "football is easy, you complicate yourself". With that in mind, when we learned, we learned the fundamentals to the extreme making us have a great team chemistry and still remember to this day having won 2 tears in a row without losing a single game. The level of play was insane thanks to him. This, is what I've tried to implement to CSGO. I get to forget it and drown in the "good ol days" since i remembered the good games and tried to mimic them. Lately, i read a post from reddit that said: " Honestly, the level of aim in gn4-le is rather the same, its just your decision making and your mimd that fucks you up". That made me have flashbacks to the "play simple" mindset. Lately, i have been trying to just play the most simple CS i can do. Never overpeeking, not taking 1v5 or 1v1+ duels and judt wait for help unless they force me to get into the fights, never repeeking an awper even though I might have a 50%+ chance of getting it. And, lately i have found to be a much better player and much more solid than before. Even though, im not prioritizing my aim, more like nade usage, position, 7 bullet spray rule. This video reminded me of that Post that made me remember my days in soccer/football and i'm grateful that im still shit at the game and that i can't suddenly be great. I need to practice my fundamentals, and play simple, period. Thanks, Thoorin. Just like Cruyff said: "Football is easy, playing easy football is not".
+Thooorin this was a fantastic video, and it shines light as well on all aspects of peoples' lives, not only their relationship to games. This "bias" that you mention is present everywhere, in a person's relationship to themselves, to other people, and to what this person ACTUALLY knows versus what they THINK they know. This last one is particularly true, and particularly harmful. Absolutely everywhere you go, you find that everyone THINKS they know a lot, yes a whole lot, but what they do know IN REALITY is very far behind their illusory beliefs. Sometimes an individual will briefly wake up, and realize that there really is a certain "bias". But this person will quickly forget, and return to his or her ordinary life. If all of this makes sense to you, now you know also the destiny of your video.
great topic, not only in-game, but it happens in real life too. more of this pls
this video has inspired me to solo queue for fun now. I have extreme ladder anxiety, and being told that I have it has made me realize how much it doesent actually matter.
thats why i suck at CT i was looking at the wrong things that i succeeded more in T. Thanks a lot thoorin just showed me the direction to become better
Thank you Thorin. It made me realize few minor mistakes from my personal view. Those 2 last minutes of the video really gave me a though, that "Man, I've been totally blind". I shouldnt be sad about 18/24 stats in de_inferno when we won. That doesnt mean I was bad. Or bad fragger or aimer. That's the level that I am! Your videos are just Gold. Thank you a lot, Thorin.
Wow, that video showed me my own position in cs, perfectly showed me what to do and how to change my attitude to be able to improve. I want to thank you a lot for publishing this.
Thanks for making me realize that I am much worse than I thought. :> These videos are why you're my favorite. This concept applies to much more than gaming. Thanks for the thoughts, Thooorin.
I love the videos where you talk about topics like this! Keep up the great work!
agree totally with thorin. In some videos of pro basketballers like wade/ lebron james, they often practice not the highlight plays but the fundamental of the game. where you practice the fundamental enough to be better then the stars and become mega stars. "work on the fundamentals, great things happens on the court, happpen on an instincts. Those things cant be teach. You need the fundamentals to put on the position to do the highlights plays. His (Wade) greatness takes over.- David Fizdale , assistant coach of Miami heat
This is one of the best videos you have ever done. Awesome topic
Fantastic points thorin, this can be applied to all sorts of aspects to life
I'm going to download this in mp3 format and listen it while during a long road trip! Thanks Thorin :D
OMG, thanks torin, I was so scared to loose my rank and always blamed it on not having enough warmup, thank you so much, I did not realize I was living in a bubble being too scared to derank, just because I want to be good
Thooorin i have to say this video just opened my eyes i was always looking at my best scores, but i now know to get a general look at my performance. Something that i always noticed is when i perform poorly i have the habit to blame other people for it and also start to flame. Ill now try to work on those issues and for improving trying to master one element of the game before trying something again. I have to say it again great video
Great video, very thought provoking - glad others are thinking about this now.
I'm global and I play semi pro in Norway, yet these tips are still very useful. Thanks for the video Thorin! Quality stuff.
***** All my monthly income is from CS, although it's not very much. I still live at home, so it's no big deal.
Thorin. You nailed it. I am one of these people who think they are playing on a really high level but thats not the case. You opened my eyes thanl you.
alphadraft not paying enough scrilla
Their contract ended three days ago.
his contract expired
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” Nah fam thats just what they want you to think. It's ALWAYS about the scrilla
I tend to have the opposite mindset when it comes to evaluating my own plays. I usually take some time to watch games in which I feel I made bad plays and critically review them with a focus on everything I did wrong. Sometimes I notice I push out too much, take wrong fights or am poorly positioned etc and I can actively use that whenever Im in a next game and feel the same urge to push out somewhere I get inpatient etc. I think a mindset like this is a key factor in improving, whether it be for gaming or any other part of your life.
Fail - critically review - dont beat yourself up over it - think of ways to do it better - test improvements - Hardwire improvements so that they become a habit - look for the next thing you suck at and repeat process.
Dunning-Kruger, finally something I knew of the general education that you've brought up in your videos, woopa, feeling bright today
Where can i get sick scrilla? I'm lost.
What do I do
We csgolounge now bois
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” is he sponsored by lounge now
+john “johnamelone” cairns Nah.
Ok...?
"Pride cometh before the fall."
and i think they best players have the courage, to admit their flaws. And improve.
Yo thooorin, this is why most of us never replay what we thought was the most outplay we have ever done, because if we replay it as how it really happen it would look lame. So remember once and keep it. Makes us feel good. :D
Wow, this video is spectacular. Very well spoken!
That's why recording your gameplay is so useful. To revise it. Shadowplaying 'great' moments I think I've had, I always end up seeing flaws in parts of what I remember. Looking at unnecessary peaks, deaths, reloads while monitoring KPM, ACC and HSR in certain FPs games.
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This is actually quite good life advice super well explained. I like it a lot!
With the CS part of improvement I have to agree. I was stuck over a year and a half in DMG wondering why I didn't hit LE yet. Then I dont know if it was in some Thorin's Thoughts or he said it on analyst desk, but he recommended for anybody to just watch how Krimz plays. What angles he takes, what duels he takes positions etc. And it made me 1000% better player. Great positioning>aim
This sums these thoughts so well. Awesome video.
This video needs to have subtitles. Many people would benefit from seeing this.
This is a great video, and something I needed to hear, as I'm trying to get into a game competitively.
My biggest weakness was finding my identity beyond just support, I discovered a love for sona and lulu. I have played 1500 games of bots over 4 years just practicing my cs. I have 1200 normals and 1000 ranked matches. When it comes to improving Thorin is right, you have to recognize when you are beat and learn from the mistakes, but gauge your skills on more than a few games :)
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Has anyone ever wondered what it would be like to see yourself play from the enemy perspective? I've always thought, "what does my gameplay look like to them? Am I sloppy? Am I lucky? Or am I a good opponent that is hard to deal with?" And with that thought I've always wondered what it would be like to 1v1 yourself. I wonder if I would be able to outplay myself to win. Kind of like in Ocarina of Time when you have to fight shadow link. It's almost like having to figure out your own weaknesses and adapt to them. Maybe that's a weird thought but I think it would be interesting.
What i do is watch my Demo's. First, ill watch myself and see what im doing wrong. If i did not catch it while im playing. Then i'll watch from an enemy's perspective on how they died by me or how they killed me. Def gives you a whole new perspective on how you play. Helped me a lot.
Thank you so much man. You are awesome
Such a good video.
I'm enjoying the broader, non game specific videos. :)
rip scrilla
most people don't even realize how delusional they are which makes it impossible for them to improve. great video once again
This is really insightful, thanks for the video.
I like your discussion of farming, especially after watching lots of LS lately, since he focuses heavily on farm in coaching. Makes me think of macro econ management in SCBW, since all the games I've watched of Flash the casters praise how uphill it is to fight long games against him
this video is so good and such a great reminder
*Amazing video* One of your best imo. Thank you
I love to think I'm an amazing Zarya if see gold medals or if I get on the board but then we consistently lose or I watch my gameplay, or even acknowledge these things are not consistent and realize I'm not what I think I am. Acknowledging one's true level is definitely the first step to improving.
This does remind me of the time where I got 2 games off of a Gold player in Street Fighter 5. Overall I got wreckt by that guy, but it showed me clearly what I have to work on. I'm confident in my progress, I can make this work.
For the amount I have played, I'm definitely above my ranking. However I'm more of a thinker. I think about situations and try to come up with a solution
That mentality is why I'm currently "pleased" with playing at MGE on CSGO. I occasionally will have "monster" games where I play amazingly, but usually I end with 20 frags, and doing the right things for the most part. I'm of course looking at getting better, but I'm at the same time aware that I don't belong in any higher ranking at my current level of play.
If just some of my teammates would realise the same thing, we'd be golden.
This kind of topic makes for the best Thorin videos Kreygasm
I am a terrible player, but I try to improve by not being toxic to my teammates and actually motivate them and myself to keep focused on the game. Non-toxicity and clearness on the roles is one of the core parts to work as a whole engine in my opinion.
the alphadraft intros were cool and funny, but you have to admit when thorin gets right to the point it is just so satisfying
Every 50 thorin videos I learn a little bit more about his gaming experience.
The only attitude for success in any game is thinking you're better than anyone else at all times. Thinking you can kill and outperform everyone, oozing confidence. That's a winners mentality.
Over-analyzing, over-thinking everything all the time is the way of the analyst, where you can't be wrong since you know the outcome. Captain Hindsight is the a losing mentality.
+Torfi Gíslason I halfway agree. Confidence is important no doubt. But what you're describing sounds more like cockiness. over-confidence makes you reckless and can cause you to underestimate your enemy, which will make you disregard your mechanics and game sense. On the other hand, no confidence makes you timid which causes you to not take advantage of a good situation and ends up making you get caught in a bad situation instead. You have to find the perfect middle point between the two.
Another great video, Thooorin. And you are right. A game where I go 10/0 but is 50 cs behind isn't a good game. Fundamentals are the key to success.
Alphadraft :(
This is the most helpful CS:GO Tutorial out there. Great video.
Very well said friend, Maybe make a series like this addressing the weak points a player mentally?
The hardest mental task for any human being is to accurately judge oneself
Much respect for mentioning Melee my favourite competetive game !
I think certain people live their lives this way. For example, their life can be kind of boring or mundane yet they dwell on the positive experiences too much.
Really really good video. I needed this!
LET'S GO MELEE! Good looks for shouting us out Thorin
4 years ago and still relevant. The better i get, the worse i get.
Thanks for the reality check man. I need to work on pistols, strategies, better positioning, my m4 in general, and i want too learn more smokes, pop flashes. And maps like cbbl,, overpass, and train I'm going to go practice now thanks man.
Really interesting to see a video focusing more on the average player than just pro CS. Would be interested in something in a similar vein.
Probably the best video Thorin have ever made, besides eeeeedshot
thorin this video is literally exactly how i feel rn. Its like it was uploaded for me, holy shit.
He's got a similar video to this titled, "You Are Elo Hell".
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” yeah i know ive watched that. RN im just insecure dad, lost global debating with myself if my level has dropped from not practicing enough.
i know i'm only nova 1, but i play like global.
+LuciferOnWheels damn internet.
We should 1v1
+LuciferOnWheels I'm silver one, but I would destroy Guardian and Olofmeister in a 1 v 2.
+Karl My Suitcase "wrist problems"
Brandon Teeter Common side effect of execive masturbation.
This video sums up the attitude of the majority of the players below DMG level