Just, yesterday I played my first game of SWL, and I'm already hooked. Coming from 40k into an alternating action game has rekindled my interest in the war gaming hobby.
Check out Grimdark Future by One Page Rules and/or Firefight by Mantic. They could be an opportunity to use your 40K models in a similar setting (but with alternating activations and more).
@ChosenOne-il4bm the game is in a bad state, and Jame workshop keeps making it worse. Also, they seem to like to gas light and treat 40k cans poorly as if we are just cash cows not fans of their number 1 settings
exactly right. the real elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring is that AMG truly HATES games they haven't developed. They didn't want any of FFG's products transferred to them. What company in their right mind inherits Legion and THEN develops their own competition in Shatter point? Their management loathes the fact that they have to maintain any of these FFG products. If Shatterpoint was doing better than Legion, Legion would be ended in a second.
I think SP was an Asmodee directive, to make a MCP replacement for Legion. Just about everything since Asmodee has gotten more involved tells me it’s Asmodee that doesn’t understand these properties and has made a series of misteps that have lead to XWing and Armada getting cancelled.
@@urloonyyou have it back to front. Shatterpoint was already in development, just not yet formally announced, before AMG inherited Legion, not afterwards. But you are correct that handing the FFG games to them was not their decision. Asmodee and Embracer are the bad guys in this story.
@@davidblyth9507 Think about this Dave. Asmodee gives Legion to AMG in Nov. 2020. There's no way AMG wasn't prepping for this at least 3-6 months in advance, maybe more. Shatterpoint releases in Summer 2023. Even if Shatterpoint had been in development, they had 3 years to scrap it or put it on the shelf. Instead, AMG gets Armada, X-Wing, and Legion and produces next to nothing for the first two. They don't even start listing any of it on their website for TWO years. That's crazy. Yes, Asmodee is completely inept, but clearly AMG has their fair share of bumbling baffoons.
@@urloony counter point. AMG had been teasing a new game in development well before they were handed the FFG games. That game turned out to be Shatterpoint which I have no doubt was much further along the development cycle than you're hinting at and would have released much sooner if the other games hadn't been dropped in their lap (obviously that part is speculative but significant time and resources had clearly been already invested). So why would they drop it? I also do not agree it follows that either AMG or FFG had much notice that the change was about to happen, if that were the case the developers at FFG who ended up being let go would not have been so completely blind sided. Yes they'd have all found out about it before the general public but not necessarily that far in advance.
@@biffa2987 No they are not, which is why I anticipate less new stuff and defo less niche stuff They are probably trying to play it safe with where they spend their limited capital
Great points on pre-painted, soft plastic, and scale. If Legion was 100% hard plastic, I’d own a ton more just for that. Pre-painted not only leaves the hobby aspect off the table, but kills a ton of desire for repeat models. As for scale, I’ve always thought 10-20 base squads would be far cooler for Legion. Yeah, I’m sold…sadly, no one’s selling!
I only just got into Legion last month. I hope it has a long road ahead, and that none of my minis/gear are invalidated. As an X-Wing player, that system at least was feature-complete. As an Armada player I'm definitely a bit heartbroken. They never really re-stocked stuff and they still had so much to go...
I've been collecting/painting Legion for a couple years. I just got a few friends into the hobby and we've just started playing games. I'm looking forward to the bright future of Legion.
It’s a shame X-Wing got canned. I was hoping they’d release the Bad Batch Marauder seeing as they’ve just released Bad Batch for Shatterpoint and now Legion :(
not if they want to maintain confidence of their customers that AMG is maintaining the SW license and that they are continuing to support games players have heavily invested in. A new, generic AMG game would shake that confidence and likely start an exodus.
I will not re invest in a new star wars spaceship game that AMG puts out. I have plenty of both to keep playing and will spend my money with a different company.
@@urloony I don’t think so. I was a huge imperial assault player and that is over and I still buy and invest in other similar games. I think AMG can come out with an improved game system for spaceship combat.
@@jamesvari For you and others that’s fine but for others getting into other systems like spaceship style games it would be good to open up a new system. Also be good to improve on the current system. Some will not buy it that’s fine but many others will. Same thing we are having with legion vs shatterpoint. Both have their place and there is money to be made.
I think the key deciding point is "how can we get you to buy more?" And with X Wing and Armada the answer was purely new development, which isn't as profitable especially with pre-painted minis. SWL, Shatterpoint, and MCP are in a good spot where slight tweeks to unit caps allow them to sell more of base product without needing new releases or breaking the game.
Gaming is huge here in KC. There are many game stores and cafes that host tabletop gaming all day every day. When my pals and I meet for Legion, we see it all: Warhammer, Katan, D&D, you name it. I have to confess I've not seen anyone playing X-Wing or Armada out in the public sphere. I'm aware people enjoy those games, but local game night is a good gauge to see the general popularity of any game. When I lived in New Orleans, I had a couple of friends who played X-wing and went to a game store there looking for gifts, but the manager very directly stated that overall interest in X-wing and Armada had just become too thin to warrant maintaining the stock. Unfortunately, for any business profit isn't just important; its crucial. It's the whole point. So, for me, if the continuance of Legion is secured by the elimination of unprofitable games, I really can't complain. But hopefully AMG or someone else will find a way to satisfy those customers who really want tabletop space-based battles in the future.
Thank you Crabbok for calming people down, I noticed now at my job a lot of people are panic buying Armada and X Wing products. Not blaming them of course those prices are going to be skyrocketing now unless Asmodee quells the fire.
Shatterpoint is a competitor to Legion and AMG made shatterpoint so it only makes sense they would get rid of the competition to their in house made product.
The difference between Legion and Armada/X Wing is that new product is still being printed and developed for Legion whereas Armada stopped seeing new physical products developed in May of 2021 and X Wing in May of 2022. I think that, for now, Legion is safe.
I did a demo game of SWL when it first came out, and liked it. Locally there does not seem to be that big of a following. I still want to get into the system however, and hearing that the older sculpts will come back as hard plastic does have me excited!
2.0 legion with refreshed imp/rebel line would be interesting but potentially quite risky. One of the difficulties for these star wars titles is that they only really have 6 movies to choose from for reliable nostalgia products and people with big existing collections may not be as interested once you move away from that (ie whatever that 'range trooper' nonsense is.
I have a lot to say so I apologize for the lengthy message. I am incredibly optimistic for Armada's future. Even though the official company has stopped everything I know the community will more than fill the void! This all reminds me of my favorite game from my childhood, Heroscape. That game followed the same path as Armada of being very popular until another company got it's grubby hands on it and killed it very quickly. Well over a decade after it was cancelled, a new company started it back up, just this year Renegade announced it and even already has Wave 1 and 2 preorders open!!! And all the while before that happened the community kept the game alive and thriving. I forsee this being the shining future for Armada.
@Crabbok Any word on what happened to Asomdee's armada stock? I would like to grab a venator for less than $400...not to mention all the other clone wars stuff. Thankfully, we have copies of all the Rebellion era sets.
@@petervonbleichert9688 A new game needs more content releases than an established one. I’m not arguing that Legion or MCP are doing poorly, I’m just saying that Shatterpoint sales aren’t struggling and the game isn’t “at more risk” than Legion as he implied in this video
I th8nk Legion is going to stay, but I do think they will add more points to the game to make the battles bigger. I also think them having 2 space based games was a bad idea. They need to combine them and take the best aspects of each game to make 1 great space game
My only fear is that Legion 2.0 will have the same-ish impact as X-wing 2.0 or 2.5 where the ruleset will have a huge change within AMG’s style of game development introducing may change things that will make what Star Wars legion attractive, unattractive. Leading to deterioration of the game and many of its core players leaving the game ending up with same fate as x-wing but hey that might not happen too soon but maybe in a foreseeable future. Luke Eddy should’ved stayed all the way and continue development with Star Wars Legion to keep the game as good as it is but hey.. im just speculating here anyways.
Im actually trying to get as much xwing stuff as I can. My playgroup will continue to play it. Though I do have a few things for legion and would love to play it too.
The game system that X-wing and Armada is a licensed property. I would like to throw out there that maybe, just maybe AMG will release something similar not using that license. Gold Wing (x-wing) and The Imperial Naval Academy (Armada) also known as T.I.N.A.
My concern is that they drastically change the rules of Legion, then half of the player base loses interest, and then they sunset the game, much like X-Wing.
No game is really dead. I know plenty of people who play games that haven't been updated in years. Currently getting back into legion, I was playing mostly Bolt Acton but now I'm playing legion with my brothers in-law.
I have to wonder if bringing Star Wars Crisis Protocol...err..Shatterpoint took resources away from Xwing and Armada. I truly believe AMG never had any interest in keeping XW and Armada around.
Terrible take, Shatterpoint was already in production when Asmodee shifted production of Legion, X-Wing and Armada to AMG. And calling Shatterpoint SWCP is stupid, the games aren’t anything alike other than that their minis are the same scale and they are produced by the same company.
@LordGrendok stupid? Ok. Well we all have our opinions. Mine is Shattetpoint or SWCP is boring and enough similarities to MCP for me to nickname it as such.
For me it's mcp, Legion and then shatterpoint which I don't play anymore. I don't like game play of shatterpoint, they have cool rules but it's a game of pushing. I want obliteration of units and mcp and Legion fulfill that. I agree with you that once the 2.0 rules and hard plastic models come out Legion could be top of the play list again.
If AMG has shown us anything, it's that nothing Star Wars is safe with them. AMG murdered two, successful and popular games. After what they've done with Armada and X-Wing, I will never trust them with anything else. I will certainly not pour a cent into any customizable game from them. Let the buyer beware.
Let fans of any AMG Star Wars product realize that if AMG could intentionally abandon another game, AMG can just as easily abandon (and probably will) yours, too.
I Also believe legion is safe at least up to 2026, If dropping X-wing and Amanda have the affect they believe and does not cause people to panic and leave the legion family, due to poor communications and false news.
Been playing legion since late 2020 and currently a die hard imperial player. I’ve been getting more and more frustrated by AMG as time has gone on. Many issues that have come up aren’t being addressed and I see that effecting people enjoyment of the game. The RRG update did more damage than it fixed in my opinion. Several keywords just don’t work anymore, deciding cover is more of a chore to deal with than ever before and the forum rulings are just “gotchyas”. Look at the mess that was worlds this year. A time when the community comes together to battle it out to see who is the top dog. But it was marred by the poor format, blatant collaboration with the ties. They received such backlash that they dropped it entirely and then got more backlash so they are doing worlds again. Prices are getting to GW levels now too. $60 CA plus tax for range troopers with two sets of duplicate minis. Thats becoming more and more common now. I want to give AMG money, but they need to clean up their act. I don’t think legion needs a 2.0, but a good, constructive look at the game state and fixed to what they have broken. Small and meaningful changes will go a long way.
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I'd argue Legion is not safe - profitable or not, if Asmodee becomes insolvent due to the huge debt saddled on it by Embracer (and putting your debt on a subsidiary for that subsidiary to go under and eliminate that debt is a tactic used by these private equity groups) the game will be finished.
I hear that, but I feel like that’s more of an asmodee problem than a legion problem. My point here is they won’t single out Legion as a game to be dropped.
Hello. SWL will be gone 2025 because of licensing, AMG will not announce new products, Shatterpoint is not selling well outside of the US and Unlimited showed that you can make more money with "less" production effort. Look and Q1 sales of Gamegenic products for Unlimited and the spike in sales. MCP is also not selling well outside US. Will of AMG is a guy hard to handle and my prediction is 2026 no Legion products, no Shatterpoint products and the License for Tabletop will be given to another company. But I hope I'm wrong about it.
As for what we're getting in the UK Legion may as well be dead, Shatterpoint and MCP too. Asmodee UK seriously need to get their finger out of thier a*se and release something. We're over 2 months behind the USA now thanks to the inept fools at Asmodee UK. They need to stop hiding behind the shipping lane issue as it's not adding all this time on.
I agree shatterpoint is in danger. Legion players don’t want to see it take over, I for see shatter point getting a year of releases that were already in the pipes then no new releases. They might not get dropped due to being in hard plastic so basically free to produce after initial earning back the machine cost.
I disagree, as Star Wars dives in popularity but the IP remains expensive, don't count on this lasting more than another 2 maybe 3 years. I predict minimal releases until it is sunset.
Definitely the case around here too, we have occasional Legion events but weekly Shatterpoint events. I haven’t really seen any MCP events in a few months
It's hard to say this is just profit-sucking and Embracer debt. I think your gaming commentary is on point here but your corporate economics commentary is a bit off the mark. Production costs are way up, China is squeezing partners on these things while changing the terms of their partnership deals (like their plastics printing and their book printing) because they're walking a thin line to avoid recession. Generally tabletop games are not tremendously profitable as it is, and you don't have a lot of wiggle room to recoup your variable costs. Demand elasticity is tremendous for tabletop hobby stuff--AMG *needs* to substantially hike the price of X-Wing/Armada/Legion to sail steady and profit at all (without profit, you sink), but demand falls sharply when they raise prices. They are likely in a brutal checkmate situation. I think this would have happened regardless of the Embracer position. Global inflation has gutted these kinds of companies and driven up materials costs, operating costs, logistics costs, time costs, and more. You control that by raising prices (which they can't really do without being rejected by consumers), firing people (which they've already had to do as they restructured FFG), selling more product (tough right now) or closing product lines to reduce operational footprint, reduce accounts payable, and refocus on your max-margin portfolio. It's tough, but it is what it is. This is a volatile and challenging business climate. As companies start to stabilize we'll see games like that come back. But right now the insane 2014-2019 board game craze has cooled off and demand has reduced, inflation is increasing demand elasticity for discretionary goods like toys, and inflation is totally killing the way these companies operated. You could dance a really precarious position in the euphoria of 2018/2019, but you'll get beaten down for that now.
Nah I'm sorry but, they lied to crabbok during the live interview about armarda and xwing. They kept quite and made out like it was fine, the sane will happen with everything else except shatterpoint.
Games Workshop has always being the worst publisher. For SW Legion, it has alot potential, but would be alot more succesfull, if those models where available in the first place.
This is where capitalism falls down, shady business practices by certain owning companies who then hammer profitable/successful companies that they have bought in order to transfer debt to as a corporate scam 😞
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Just, yesterday I played my first game of SWL, and I'm already hooked. Coming from 40k into an alternating action game has rekindled my interest in the war gaming hobby.
That and the command cards give it the edge for me too.
i came from 40k too. I had 3 armies played comp for years. 3 games of legion and i never touched 40K again. welcome to the SWL community
Yeah the majority of the legion community are 40k converts
Welcome
Check out Grimdark Future by One Page Rules and/or Firefight by Mantic. They could be an opportunity to use your 40K models in a similar setting (but with alternating activations and more).
I am a 40k player who has reached maximum frustration in Games Workshop. So I have crossed over into Star Wars Legion and have been loving the system.
SWL and bolt action are what keeps me in the hobby GW still gets my money for AoS but 40k is dead to me
@@maliceharding4668why are people quiting
@ChosenOne-il4bm the game is in a bad state, and Jame workshop keeps making it worse. Also, they seem to like to gas light and treat 40k cans poorly as if we are just cash cows not fans of their number 1 settings
I'm afraid that if a game with so many players like X-Wing got it's support removed that won't hesitate on doing the same to another game
exactly right. the real elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring is that AMG truly HATES games they haven't developed. They didn't want any of FFG's products transferred to them. What company in their right mind inherits Legion and THEN develops their own competition in Shatter point? Their management loathes the fact that they have to maintain any of these FFG products. If Shatterpoint was doing better than Legion, Legion would be ended in a second.
I think SP was an Asmodee directive, to make a MCP replacement for Legion. Just about everything since Asmodee has gotten more involved tells me it’s Asmodee that doesn’t understand these properties and has made a series of misteps that have lead to XWing and Armada getting cancelled.
@@urloonyyou have it back to front. Shatterpoint was already in development, just not yet formally announced, before AMG inherited Legion, not afterwards. But you are correct that handing the FFG games to them was not their decision. Asmodee and Embracer are the bad guys in this story.
@@davidblyth9507 Think about this Dave. Asmodee gives Legion to AMG in Nov. 2020. There's no way AMG wasn't prepping for this at least 3-6 months in advance, maybe more. Shatterpoint releases in Summer 2023. Even if Shatterpoint had been in development, they had 3 years to scrap it or put it on the shelf. Instead, AMG gets Armada, X-Wing, and Legion and produces next to nothing for the first two. They don't even start listing any of it on their website for TWO years. That's crazy. Yes, Asmodee is completely inept, but clearly AMG has their fair share of bumbling baffoons.
@@urloony counter point. AMG had been teasing a new game in development well before they were handed the FFG games. That game turned out to be Shatterpoint which I have no doubt was much further along the development cycle than you're hinting at and would have released much sooner if the other games hadn't been dropped in their lap (obviously that part is speculative but significant time and resources had clearly been already invested). So why would they drop it?
I also do not agree it follows that either AMG or FFG had much notice that the change was about to happen, if that were the case the developers at FFG who ended up being let go would not have been so completely blind sided. Yes they'd have all found out about it before the general public but not necessarily that far in advance.
Since Armada is dead, I started Dropfleet Commander. Looks awesome.
The fact that they're redoing baseline troops reads to me as then planning on long term support
Or they just want to get people to buy what's already designed.
Probably both
I assume the same those molds arent cheap
@@biffa2987 No they are not, which is why I anticipate less new stuff and defo less niche stuff
They are probably trying to play it safe with where they spend their limited capital
@@biffa2987 those molds are not cheap but the material cost is way less so
Great points on pre-painted, soft plastic, and scale.
If Legion was 100% hard plastic, I’d own a ton more just for that. Pre-painted not only leaves the hobby aspect off the table, but kills a ton of desire for repeat models.
As for scale, I’ve always thought 10-20 base squads would be far cooler for Legion.
Yeah, I’m sold…sadly, no one’s selling!
They said the same about X-wing and Armada after Destiny was killed.
I love Star Wars Legion, and I have no reason to think that it’s gonna die anytime soon
I only just got into Legion last month. I hope it has a long road ahead, and that none of my minis/gear are invalidated. As an X-Wing player, that system at least was feature-complete. As an Armada player I'm definitely a bit heartbroken. They never really re-stocked stuff and they still had so much to go...
It can’t end. I’m not done painting yet. 😂
SW: Legion is a gem from a gameplay perspective !
I've been collecting/painting Legion for a couple years. I just got a few friends into the hobby and we've just started playing games. I'm looking forward to the bright future of Legion.
I hope we get 1000 point standard!
It’s a shame X-Wing got canned. I was hoping they’d release the Bad Batch Marauder seeing as they’ve just released Bad Batch for Shatterpoint and now Legion :(
I would like to see and not shocked at all if AMG brought out their own space ship game in the near future.
not if they want to maintain confidence of their customers that AMG is maintaining the SW license and that they are continuing to support games players have heavily invested in. A new, generic AMG game would shake that confidence and likely start an exodus.
I will not re invest in a new star wars spaceship game that AMG puts out. I have plenty of both to keep playing and will spend my money with a different company.
@@urloony I don’t think so. I was a huge imperial assault player and that is over and I still buy and invest in other similar games. I think AMG can come out with an improved game system for spaceship combat.
@@jamesvari For you and others that’s fine but for others getting into other systems like spaceship style games it would be good to open up a new system. Also be good to improve on the current system. Some will not buy it that’s fine but many others will. Same thing we are having with legion vs shatterpoint. Both have their place and there is money to be made.
@jordanhamm9175 improve armada then or even a rework, but to have to reinvest from scratch. No thank you just another corporate money grab.
I think the key deciding point is "how can we get you to buy more?" And with X Wing and Armada the answer was purely new development, which isn't as profitable especially with pre-painted minis. SWL, Shatterpoint, and MCP are in a good spot where slight tweeks to unit caps allow them to sell more of base product without needing new releases or breaking the game.
Gaming is huge here in KC. There are many game stores and cafes that host tabletop gaming all day every day. When my pals and I meet for Legion, we see it all: Warhammer, Katan, D&D, you name it. I have to confess I've not seen anyone playing X-Wing or Armada out in the public sphere. I'm aware people enjoy those games, but local game night is a good gauge to see the general popularity of any game. When I lived in New Orleans, I had a couple of friends who played X-wing and went to a game store there looking for gifts, but the manager very directly stated that overall interest in X-wing and Armada had just become too thin to warrant maintaining the stock. Unfortunately, for any business profit isn't just important; its crucial. It's the whole point. So, for me, if the continuance of Legion is secured by the elimination of unprofitable games, I really can't complain. But hopefully AMG or someone else will find a way to satisfy those customers who really want tabletop space-based battles in the future.
Thank you Crabbok for calming people down, I noticed now at my job a lot of people are panic buying Armada and X Wing products. Not blaming them of course those prices are going to be skyrocketing now unless Asmodee quells the fire.
I agree, Legion will be fine at least for a few years. Thanks for getting the message out!
Doom and gloom always follows an announcement like this. No games are truly dead if the player base continues to play.
Shatterpoint is a competitor to Legion and AMG made shatterpoint so it only makes sense they would get rid of the competition to their in house made product.
The difference between Legion and Armada/X Wing is that new product is still being printed and developed for Legion whereas Armada stopped seeing new physical products developed in May of 2021 and X Wing in May of 2022.
I think that, for now, Legion is safe.
I’m wanting to jump back into Legion but awaiting the July announcement first.
I did a demo game of SWL when it first came out, and liked it. Locally there does not seem to be that big of a following. I still want to get into the system however, and hearing that the older sculpts will come back as hard plastic does have me excited!
2.0 legion with refreshed imp/rebel line would be interesting but potentially quite risky. One of the difficulties for these star wars titles is that they only really have 6 movies to choose from for reliable nostalgia products and people with big existing collections may not be as interested once you move away from that (ie whatever that 'range trooper' nonsense is.
Nah they have comics, the old games, tv shows to pick from. #ploob
7 movies and 2-3 TV shows Rouge one, CW, rebels and mandalorian are all very popular
Feels like Shatterpoint is being pushed way more than Legion, at least around my area here. I don't see anyone playing Legion any more ):
I have a lot to say so I apologize for the lengthy message.
I am incredibly optimistic for Armada's future. Even though the official company has stopped everything I know the community will more than fill the void! This all reminds me of my favorite game from my childhood, Heroscape. That game followed the same path as Armada of being very popular until another company got it's grubby hands on it and killed it very quickly. Well over a decade after it was cancelled, a new company started it back up, just this year Renegade announced it and even already has Wave 1 and 2 preorders open!!! And all the while before that happened the community kept the game alive and thriving. I forsee this being the shining future for Armada.
the state of the legion is strong
You got to pray (pray); you got to pray just to make it today
Legion in my jam! I absolutely love the game and I hope it's here to stay for a long time!
I would love to see it last long-term. Love playing.
Increasing the points cap to 1000?
SWL is awsome and i just got into it. Sad to see armada being discontinued right when i was thinking about getting it.
@Crabbok Any word on what happened to Asomdee's armada stock? I would like to grab a venator for less than $400...not to mention all the other clone wars stuff. Thankfully, we have copies of all the Rebellion era sets.
Well with X-wing not being supported here in the near future I’ll be dusting off my SWL minis lol.
There will still be people playing everything I’m sure.
Data out of ICv2 shows shatterpoint sales above Legion and MCP
Apples and oranges; SP releases are prolific. Our tap drips
@@petervonbleichert9688 A new game needs more content releases than an established one. I’m not arguing that Legion or MCP are doing poorly, I’m just saying that Shatterpoint sales aren’t struggling and the game isn’t “at more risk” than Legion as he implied in this video
Are they classifying X-wing and Armada as "complete games" like Imoerial Assault?
Thanks for the video, I am new in the tabletop world, I just bought my first box(clone wars core set) a few weeks ago, and I love it
You always got my LIKE. Great content always.
My heart skipped a beat when I read the title... whew!
I th8nk Legion is going to stay, but I do think they will add more points to the game to make the battles bigger. I also think them having 2 space based games was a bad idea. They need to combine them and take the best aspects of each game to make 1 great space game
My only fear is that Legion 2.0 will have the same-ish impact as X-wing 2.0 or 2.5 where the ruleset will have a huge change within AMG’s style of game development introducing may change things that will make what Star Wars legion attractive, unattractive. Leading to deterioration of the game and many of its core players leaving the game ending up with same fate as x-wing but hey that might not happen too soon but maybe in a foreseeable future. Luke Eddy should’ved stayed all the way and continue development with Star Wars Legion to keep the game as good as it is but hey.. im just speculating here anyways.
Your videos are definitely a main stay for the small Legion group I'm with in Central VA. Thanks for keeping the Legion hype train rolling.
Im actually trying to get as much xwing stuff as I can. My playgroup will continue to play it. Though I do have a few things for legion and would love to play it too.
The game system that X-wing and Armada is a licensed property. I would like to throw out there that maybe, just maybe AMG will release something similar not using that license. Gold Wing (x-wing) and The Imperial Naval Academy (Armada) also known as T.I.N.A.
My concern is that they drastically change the rules of Legion, then half of the player base loses interest, and then they sunset the game, much like X-Wing.
I'm really hoping SWL has a strong future.
I’ve just gotten into sw legion and I still see it here and there in my game stores. This video is very reassuring though.
No game is really dead. I know plenty of people who play games that haven't been updated in years.
Currently getting back into legion, I was playing mostly Bolt Acton but now I'm playing legion with my brothers in-law.
Once again, great info in your content. Really appreciate your hard work. Keep the Force Alive! Long live Armada😎
I was disappointed with the Armada news as I had so much still on my list to get, but the future of Legion keeps my hopes up.
Love this channel
I have to wonder if bringing Star Wars Crisis Protocol...err..Shatterpoint took resources away from Xwing and Armada. I truly believe AMG never had any interest in keeping XW and Armada around.
Honestly probably not, they didn't want to support either gsme, without shadowpoint they would have found some project to put those resources into
I think they had a little, but it seems clear to me that it was never a TOP priority at least.
My understanding is they were working on Shatterpoint before they even were given Legion, X-Wing, and Armada
Terrible take, Shatterpoint was already in production when Asmodee shifted production of Legion, X-Wing and Armada to AMG. And calling Shatterpoint SWCP is stupid, the games aren’t anything alike other than that their minis are the same scale and they are produced by the same company.
@LordGrendok stupid? Ok. Well we all have our opinions. Mine is Shattetpoint or SWCP is boring and enough similarities to MCP for me to nickname it as such.
I usually burn socks after use.
Happy for Legion players, but it's crazy that these companies don't want to take my money! I wanted so much more Armada.
Well, I still want my AT-AT for legion. Both as destroyed scenery and as vehicle
I love Legion and really think the recent releases let us know it's around for a few more years at least.
Just like armada felt right after the 2 new factions were released?
You mean like how they just released 2 new $75 starter sets for X-Wing?
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Legion needs to stick long enough for us to get Gungans
This is unlikely as not many want them, and as such a risky investment at this time seems unlikely
Great analysis! :)
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Is shatterpoint profitable? I doubt it.
For me it's mcp, Legion and then shatterpoint which I don't play anymore. I don't like game play of shatterpoint, they have cool rules but it's a game of pushing. I want obliteration of units and mcp and Legion fulfill that. I agree with you that once the 2.0 rules and hard plastic models come out Legion could be top of the play list again.
If AMG has shown us anything, it's that nothing Star Wars is safe with them.
AMG murdered two, successful and popular games. After what they've done with Armada and X-Wing, I will never trust them with anything else. I will certainly not pour a cent into any customizable game from them. Let the buyer beware.
Great commentary
Let fans of any AMG Star Wars product realize that if AMG could intentionally abandon another game, AMG can just as easily abandon (and probably will) yours, too.
I agree that legion is safe.
My ranking is MCP, legion close second, shatterpoint a distant third
I don’t see legion going anywhere anytime soon
Legion is more AMGs wheelhouse anyway. It’ll be fine for at least two or three years.
I Also believe legion is safe at least up to 2026, If dropping X-wing and Amanda have the affect they believe and does not cause people to panic and leave the legion family, due to poor communications and false news.
Ligion is doing good at my game store also it is ding better than 40k right now.
Been playing legion since late 2020 and currently a die hard imperial player. I’ve been getting more and more frustrated by AMG as time has gone on.
Many issues that have come up aren’t being addressed and I see that effecting people enjoyment of the game.
The RRG update did more damage than it fixed in my opinion. Several keywords just don’t work anymore, deciding cover is more of a chore to deal with than ever before and the forum rulings are just “gotchyas”.
Look at the mess that was worlds this year. A time when the community comes together to battle it out to see who is the top dog. But it was marred by the poor format, blatant collaboration with the ties. They received such backlash that they dropped it entirely and then got more backlash so they are doing worlds again.
Prices are getting to GW levels now too. $60 CA plus tax for range troopers with two sets of duplicate minis. Thats becoming more and more common now.
I want to give AMG money, but they need to clean up their act. I don’t think legion needs a 2.0, but a good, constructive look at the game state and fixed to what they have broken. Small and meaningful changes will go a long way.
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I'd argue Legion is not safe - profitable or not, if Asmodee becomes insolvent due to the huge debt saddled on it by Embracer (and putting your debt on a subsidiary for that subsidiary to go under and eliminate that debt is a tactic used by these private equity groups) the game will be finished.
I hear that, but I feel like that’s more of an asmodee problem than a legion problem. My point here is they won’t single out Legion as a game to be dropped.
Hello. SWL will be gone 2025 because of licensing, AMG will not announce new products, Shatterpoint is not selling well outside of the US and Unlimited showed that you can make more money with "less" production effort. Look and Q1 sales of Gamegenic products for Unlimited and the spike in sales. MCP is also not selling well outside US. Will of AMG is a guy hard to handle and my prediction is 2026 no Legion products, no Shatterpoint products and the License for Tabletop will be given to another company. But I hope I'm wrong about it.
As for what we're getting in the UK Legion may as well be dead, Shatterpoint and MCP too.
Asmodee UK seriously need to get their finger out of thier a*se and release something.
We're over 2 months behind the USA now thanks to the inept fools at Asmodee UK.
They need to stop hiding behind the shipping lane issue as it's not adding all this time on.
I agree shatterpoint is in danger.
Legion players don’t want to see it take over, I for see shatter point getting a year of releases that were already in the pipes then no new releases. They might not get dropped due to being in hard plastic so basically free to produce after initial earning back the machine cost.
I disagree, as Star Wars dives in popularity but the IP remains expensive, don't count on this lasting more than another 2 maybe 3 years. I predict minimal releases until it is sunset.
Shatterpoint is so much fun and in our area has a much larger community than legion does.
Definitely the case around here too, we have occasional Legion events but weekly Shatterpoint events. I haven’t really seen any MCP events in a few months
Short answer, no. Long answer, not yet.
Releasing Shatterpoint after Legion feels like the 'Noughts and Crosses' company releasing 'Crosses and Noughts'. No, thanks.
It's hard to say this is just profit-sucking and Embracer debt. I think your gaming commentary is on point here but your corporate economics commentary is a bit off the mark. Production costs are way up, China is squeezing partners on these things while changing the terms of their partnership deals (like their plastics printing and their book printing) because they're walking a thin line to avoid recession. Generally tabletop games are not tremendously profitable as it is, and you don't have a lot of wiggle room to recoup your variable costs. Demand elasticity is tremendous for tabletop hobby stuff--AMG *needs* to substantially hike the price of X-Wing/Armada/Legion to sail steady and profit at all (without profit, you sink), but demand falls sharply when they raise prices.
They are likely in a brutal checkmate situation. I think this would have happened regardless of the Embracer position. Global inflation has gutted these kinds of companies and driven up materials costs, operating costs, logistics costs, time costs, and more. You control that by raising prices (which they can't really do without being rejected by consumers), firing people (which they've already had to do as they restructured FFG), selling more product (tough right now) or closing product lines to reduce operational footprint, reduce accounts payable, and refocus on your max-margin portfolio.
It's tough, but it is what it is. This is a volatile and challenging business climate. As companies start to stabilize we'll see games like that come back. But right now the insane 2014-2019 board game craze has cooled off and demand has reduced, inflation is increasing demand elasticity for discretionary goods like toys, and inflation is totally killing the way these companies operated. You could dance a really precarious position in the euphoria of 2018/2019, but you'll get beaten down for that now.
Insightful analysis
legions definitely not safe. its mostly likely next.
Short answer is no not at all I give it a few years.
I mean others said x wing was safe and armada was safe and we see how that panned out. Nothing is safe with this company.
Agreed
Nah I'm sorry but, they lied to crabbok during the live interview about armarda and xwing. They kept quite and made out like it was fine, the sane will happen with everything else except shatterpoint.
I agree with the first part, that interview guy leid through his teeth
But I think legion is too profitable not to focus on and produce.
Is it safe? One word: Shatterpoint.
Is it one word? A compound word of two words 😊
If they do a 2nd edition,I'm out! Sorry not sorry.
Games Workshop has always being the worst publisher. For SW Legion, it has alot potential, but would be alot more succesfull, if those models where available in the first place.
This is where capitalism falls down, shady business practices by certain owning companies who then hammer profitable/successful companies that they have bought in order to transfer debt to as a corporate scam 😞
Second!
Not at all! Legion is next on the chopping block.
Nope. Disney will start pushing their new shows and movies in the games and kill off the original games.
God help us