The CONFUSING Separatist Command Structure Fully Explained

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  • @TetsuShima
    @TetsuShima 9 месяцев назад +1427

    Love that the Separatists' senate is literally the British parliament but with politicians who are much more chill. 😅

    • @hfar_in_the_sky
      @hfar_in_the_sky 9 месяцев назад +91

      Iol And considering our glimpse into the Seperatist Senate they were all shouting each other down, that says a lot about British Parliament. Reminds me of Robin Williams’ description of BP; “It’s like (US) Congress with a two drink minimum!”

    • @isaackim7675
      @isaackim7675 9 месяцев назад +41

      It’s too bad that it didn’t mean much. Especially how Count Dooku used the Force on Padme to shoot that one Separatist Senator on Scipio

    • @TheLiamster
      @TheLiamster 9 месяцев назад +23

      The Separatist parliament has “ORDERRRR!”

    • @timothyjacks1788
      @timothyjacks1788 9 месяцев назад +24

      At least the separatists parliament didn't go make racist slurs about their constunits like the British parliament does about the Scotts, Welsh, and Irish

    • @GGBlaster
      @GGBlaster 9 месяцев назад +7

      And they have an otter

  • @GGBlaster
    @GGBlaster 9 месяцев назад +999

    Grievous in films: ❌
    Grievous in lore: ✅

    • @zaredsabretooth7980
      @zaredsabretooth7980 9 месяцев назад +76

      also how badass he was in the early 2000s mini-series

    • @RealCodreX
      @RealCodreX 9 месяцев назад +33

      But then Filoni came and the times of woe had begun.

    • @Joannes808
      @Joannes808 8 месяцев назад +23

      Grievous in the 2003 series: 👑

    • @Linkinpurk
      @Linkinpurk 8 месяцев назад +5

      The movies are lore

    • @Sir_Guardus
      @Sir_Guardus 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@RealCodreXFiloni just followed the film lore better?

  • @slime8177
    @slime8177 9 месяцев назад +528

    The CIS hated corporations so much they made a literal intergalactic company town

    • @kingorange7739
      @kingorange7739 9 месяцев назад +10

      LOL.

    • @oldylad
      @oldylad 7 месяцев назад +8

      If that’s from TCW that show does way worse with the canon. It contradicts the films fairly often, that should say all you need to know

    • @aitipsea3909
      @aitipsea3909 6 месяцев назад +10

      ​@@oldyladAnd legends didn't? Please

    • @johnevergreen8019
      @johnevergreen8019 Месяц назад

      @@aitipsea3909not nearly as much

  • @georgeoldsterd8994
    @georgeoldsterd8994 8 месяцев назад +140

    Imagine if the CIS started legitimately, and not as part of Palpatine's Grand Plan. Would have been pretty cool to have two competing, coexisting Republics.

    • @TyreeseBiggums
      @TyreeseBiggums 2 месяца назад +5

      There was the legitimate aspect, but Palpatine used them too

  • @TetsuShima
    @TetsuShima 9 месяцев назад +551

    *Fun fact:* Wat Tambor was first introduced in the 2001 novel "Cloak of Deception", one year before his film debut in "Attack of the Clones". James Luceno had George Lucas' permission to read the script for Episode II while writing the book.

    • @Lawrence_Talbot
      @Lawrence_Talbot 9 месяцев назад +36

      Cool book that is not as action heavy but instead focuses more on the machinations of Sidious just before Phantom Menace, as well as explain how the Nemoidans gained so much power in the Trade Federation

    • @michaelandreipalon359
      @michaelandreipalon359 9 месяцев назад +12

      The book can be a bit of a chore to some, but at least it gets better with the Darth Plagueis novel in mind.

    • @Lawrence_Talbot
      @Lawrence_Talbot 9 месяцев назад +10

      @@michaelandreipalon359 I 100% agree. It’s much more on the subterfuge politics and maneuvering since there is hardly any action. I’ve read it twice (most recent was over the weekend) and yeah there were a few times I completely checked out. You could honestly read just the first chapter, the parts with Sidious & Nute Gunray, then the end and miss nothing.

    • @A-W80
      @A-W80 8 месяцев назад +2

      I've got a few star wars books by James Luceno, the guy is an amazing writer (I really hope he writes another book for Star wars at some point, although given his age it wouldn't surprise me if he's retired)

  • @isaackim7675
    @isaackim7675 9 месяцев назад +319

    You gotta feel bad for those who supported the CIS during the trying of the Galactic Empire

    • @sfm3256
      @sfm3256 9 месяцев назад +40

      They were probably gloating the whole way through. “Y'all thought we were the villains and now you’re doing it too.”

    • @Calvin_Coolage
      @Calvin_Coolage 8 месяцев назад +31

      You know say what you want about that Lizzo/Jack Black episode from Mando season 3, but the minister saying Count Dooku was a visionary is the most based thing I've ever heard a Star Wars character say.

    • @MrJames1034
      @MrJames1034 7 месяцев назад

      The atrocities committed on Raxus and Serenno are a whole other video

  • @midshipman8654
    @midshipman8654 9 месяцев назад +55

    I like how complex and interconnected everything is. with parts not even exclusively being seperatist. but going where their interests lie and their structures compel them. makes it feel very real.

  • @midniteraptor1474
    @midniteraptor1474 9 месяцев назад +576

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again : we need a separatist tv show

    • @GeneralGrievousCIS
      @GeneralGrievousCIS 9 месяцев назад +22

      THIS

    • @jamesw3413
      @jamesw3413 9 месяцев назад +58

      Disney would probably find a way to mess it up, although I'd definitely trust the Andor showrunners to do it justice

    • @robertagu5533
      @robertagu5533 9 месяцев назад +16

      Can picture a "band of brothers" style show... but following a squad of Clones or newly created Droids.. from. Creation an Activation/Training Grad to the end of the War an maybe also beyond

    • @midniteraptor1474
      @midniteraptor1474 9 месяцев назад +15

      @robertagu5533 I'm thinking more of prequel to clone wars that follows how the Confederacy formed and how it was corrupted by the Sith, with maybe some seasons following the Confederacy's fall in the clone wars and even how they became rebels in the empire era. But a band of brothers could be easily weaved in, along with backstories for famous separatist characters

    • @robertagu5533
      @robertagu5533 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@midniteraptor1474 sounds bit more indeph then even my imput... could work.... IF we can trust Disney of course. Then again, maybe be scared of what w might get.. Wouldnt want a military younger Holdo training them when we was hoping for Bo katan

  • @jagerdergroe8604
    @jagerdergroe8604 9 месяцев назад +282

    Who had the most power in the CIS?
    Simple, Darth Sidious.

    • @Robweisenhowser
      @Robweisenhowser 8 месяцев назад +64

      Who had the most power in the Republic?
      Simple, Darth Sidious.

    • @emmanuelchavez7748
      @emmanuelchavez7748 8 месяцев назад +11

      It was Darth sidious all along

    • @darthkingedededbobo6117
      @darthkingedededbobo6117 8 месяцев назад +28

      Who had the most power in the Empire?
      Simple, Darth Sidious.

    • @sans_the_skeleton.
      @sans_the_skeleton. 8 месяцев назад +34

      who had a bad return in the sequels? simple, Darth Sidious.

    • @monkofkrayak6235
      @monkofkrayak6235 7 месяцев назад +1

      I thought you were going to say darth jar jar

  • @giancarloaquino5536
    @giancarloaquino5536 9 месяцев назад +185

    Babe wake up, Geetsly just dropped another masterpiece!

    • @ScoobertDoobert5123
      @ScoobertDoobert5123 9 месяцев назад +9

      I told you, we're watching the half hour star wars lore video, then you can leave

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 9 месяцев назад +174

    Although Count Dooku was “openly” running the CIS I wonder how much Palpatine directly controlled things.

    • @girthbrooks398
      @girthbrooks398 9 месяцев назад +67

      Somewhere between mostly and entirely

    • @bend7726
      @bend7726 9 месяцев назад +21

      Palpatine controlled everything

    • @grrumakemeangry
      @grrumakemeangry 8 месяцев назад +1

      dooku controlled mosr

    • @grrumakemeangry
      @grrumakemeangry 8 месяцев назад

      most

    • @The_Stranger1986
      @The_Stranger1986 7 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@grrumakemeangry Not really when Sidious ordered his every move. Dooku was just the face of the CIS. Sidious was the one in control.

  • @NicolasSequeira
    @NicolasSequeira 9 месяцев назад +142

    Count Dooku's neck broach is the greatest legend in all of Star Wars

  • @TheLeftCollectiveTLC-sb9zf
    @TheLeftCollectiveTLC-sb9zf 9 месяцев назад +105

    5:29 @Geetsly’s The Confederacy is a CONfederal government, loose collection of independent nations as a opposed to a federal government which is a structured collection of dependent nations

    • @GAJake
      @GAJake 9 месяцев назад

      yep and ironically the whole government was a CON. The military being entirely separate from civilian oversight could have easily disbanded the separatist senate in two seconds, oh and being secretly controlled by Palpatine.

    • @Drave_Jr.
      @Drave_Jr. 9 месяцев назад

      Having a government that does not need *everyone* to fall in line to get anything done is a federal one. The CIS is more a lose federation.

    • @exmeasententia6953
      @exmeasententia6953 8 месяцев назад +3

      Well the Swiss confedration is actually a federation anyway

    • @TheLeftCollectiveTLC-sb9zf
      @TheLeftCollectiveTLC-sb9zf 8 месяцев назад +8

      @@exmeasententia6953 Is the Swiss Confederation a federation located somewhere in the Outer Rim?

    • @exmeasententia6953
      @exmeasententia6953 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@TheLeftCollectiveTLC-sb9zf no but it's a confedration in name only

  • @codename618
    @codename618 9 месяцев назад +96

    I recently rewatched that one episode from the Clone Wars with Lux Bonteri and the Death Watch. One thing I found notable was that when Lux was being taken away by the Commando Droids, he warned the Separatists, which included Bec Lawise, that Dooku would betray them, too.
    Guess what happened to Bec Lawise two seasons later?

    • @kingorange7739
      @kingorange7739 9 месяцев назад +4

      Its ironic.

    • @zero312
      @zero312 8 месяцев назад +2

      *in Palpatine voice* How ironic...

  • @SvanEsch123
    @SvanEsch123 8 месяцев назад +35

    We're told continuously that Grievous is this dangerous killing machine that leaves no survivors, but then in the movies he's constantly fleeing or not directly participating in combat. Then when he does fight - an admittedly very cool fight against Kenobi - he loses. I feel like Grievous in the movies and a large part of the Clone Wars show is such wasted potential. He is so freaking cool, I just wish they knew how to use him. How he's described in this lore video is very sick.

    • @SeparatistShadowfeed
      @SeparatistShadowfeed 8 месяцев назад +14

      The Republic sure loves making holo films to degrade the greatest war commander in Galactic history.

    • @oldylad
      @oldylad 7 месяцев назад +3

      Grievous doesn’t run all of the time, he ran like one time because he knew he’d lost. Being stupid isn’t being a badass. TCW is noncanon garbage, and Grievous in the movie is weak because of what happened in 2003 CW, he was a killing machine who got his lungs and heart crushed by Windu. The Real world reason was to mimic Darth Vader like maul and dooku had, in universe it was explained and TCW ruined it

    • @Priceluked
      @Priceluked 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@oldyladHow the actual fuck can you call TCW non-canon when George Lucas himself created and produced it and signed off on everything? Grievous in TCW was far more in line with his depiction in Revenge of the Sith. George wanted a mustache-twirling villain, deal with it. I know 2003 CW Grievous was cool but that was never George’s intent with the character. Accept that Grievous is a dastardly cartoon villain. He still is stronger than like 95% of the Jedi Order in current canon. Calling TCW non-canon is ridiculous, might as well call ROTS non-canon.

    • @nosauceorbrothchild8772
      @nosauceorbrothchild8772 6 месяцев назад +1

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@PricelukedThat is a lie though. That was his idea for Grievous. He just changed his mind after the release of the cartoon.

    • @aitipsea3909
      @aitipsea3909 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@oldylad He gets taken out by his own cape in 03
      Worst version of the character and I'm glad it was retconned to oblivion by other Legends projects, keep crying another decade blud

  • @benlowe1701
    @benlowe1701 9 месяцев назад +180

    The Confederacy rapidly centralising during the course of the war - in flagrant disregard of their supposed ideas - is a fun little nod to the real world CIS, which behaved similarly during the American Civil War.

    • @Thechezbailey
      @Thechezbailey 9 месяцев назад +4

      Not rapidly enough, though

    • @tau-5794
      @tau-5794 9 месяцев назад +26

      *CSA

    • @theliato3809
      @theliato3809 9 месяцев назад

      The nature of total war

    • @Leo-ok3uj
      @Leo-ok3uj 9 месяцев назад

      ⁠@@theliato3809
      Wrong, is the nature of false ideals and hypocrisy
      WW1 and WW2 were cases of Total War, still, you dont see England or America (or france in ww1) become dictatorships, both the CSA and the CIS became dictatorships because the idea of automomy was not there because of a real belief on it, but because the central government didn’t allowed them to do the bad thing they wanted to do, and once that central government that stopped their atrocities was gone…

    • @prestonjones1653
      @prestonjones1653 9 месяцев назад

      It's almost like loose confederations can't stand against a centralized power, even one in decline.

  • @zexalbrony4799
    @zexalbrony4799 9 месяцев назад +24

    A long video detailing the military structure of the Separatists, what a treat. And yes I would like a video for this done for the Republic next. Maybe we could even get to the Rebels and Empire after that?
    26:38-53: So five regements make a division and need an organic officer thats good to know for this fanfic I've got in the works, but 542 AATs are a lot to keep track of, so I'll have to lower that number to something more reasonable, well this is just a remenet force consisting of just what could be on a Dreadnaought, Frigate, and a Supply Ship
    27:15-27:22: So if that's how much a Lucruhulk had, how much can a Supply Ship, you know the ones introduced in the Battle of Umbara, carry?

  • @johnnybhoff226
    @johnnybhoff226 9 месяцев назад +14

    Can I just say I’m loving these longer format videos. These are the types of videos I live for 😂🔥 especially those 2 hour videos.

  • @GeneralGrievousCIS
    @GeneralGrievousCIS 9 месяцев назад +22

    36:32 will note that, iirc, there is a scene in the clone wars series where Ventress does subordinate herself to Grievous, though other scenes indeed show she probably didn't particularly relish doing so 😆
    Believe it was in "rookies." She adopts a kneeling posture and calls him "my lord" (as she would Dooku himself).

    • @darthgoetia_n7
      @darthgoetia_n7 8 месяцев назад +2

      Well Grievous technically outranks her and this is probably only a bit after he crushed her and durge single-handedly so she might have still been wary of him. Though once grievous started losing to people is when that wariness sort of went away given that with the Jedi (given that he made quite the name for himself) he lost intimidation and unorthodoxy with the masters which Dooku noted were his primary advantages and that he should retreat if they were lacking.

  • @clonereview482
    @clonereview482 9 месяцев назад +59

    Great video, Justice to Grievous

  • @dhaburuk6494
    @dhaburuk6494 9 месяцев назад +10

    Your insights have made a fine addition to my collection. Thank you, Geetsly's Team, for your service to all StarWars fans.

  • @Arcadia_warlic
    @Arcadia_warlic 9 месяцев назад +41

    I think it is more so Grievous trusted Durge and the like to not need his supervision rather than them really not needing to answer to him.

    • @darthgoetia_n7
      @darthgoetia_n7 8 месяцев назад +6

      I mean he named one of his own campaigns “durge’s lance” so he likely thought highly of him as a warrior even though he managed to break him and Ventress simultaneously

    • @zero312
      @zero312 8 месяцев назад +5

      Grievous: Hmm, I just owned you and the bald chick. Yet you're pretty chill. You can do whatever you want. In fact, I'll name my biggest operation after you.
      Durge: 😶👍

  • @counttoku
    @counttoku 8 месяцев назад +9

    As a Separatist loyalist, I thank you for this video.

  • @generalkenobi1972
    @generalkenobi1972 8 месяцев назад +28

    This is why i love the prequel era, how can anyone say that this isnt fucking interesting? The most interesting era together with the old republic

  • @EmperorNapoleon1815
    @EmperorNapoleon1815 7 месяцев назад +7

    As a Separatist commander, I answer to Grievous, and Grievous alone.

  • @Doofing_Cookies
    @Doofing_Cookies 8 месяцев назад +10

    Will there be one like this for the Republic? I know there is one covering the Clone Army, but what about the navy and how the republic would use planetary units? I’d also think that with the bad batch and stuff there would be more to look at in terms of commando units and such.

  • @Spikedspaget
    @Spikedspaget 6 месяцев назад +1

    I love this kind of detailed, long form content. Yes please, GAR next please!

  • @ajerjavec4723
    @ajerjavec4723 9 месяцев назад +16

    It’s clear that the complex nature was done specifically so if Palpatine won through the Republic, it be easier to take down the separatists

    • @TheUncivilizedNation
      @TheUncivilizedNation 7 месяцев назад +1

      And if he was ousted from power in the republic it wouldn’t be hard to usurp and centralize power from a scattered separatist faction

  • @sniperaim333
    @sniperaim333 9 месяцев назад +3

    Great video! I never knew half this stuff and its very cool/interesting to see how the CIS worked. Thanks alot, great vid!

  • @AlexanderCheff
    @AlexanderCheff 9 месяцев назад +11

    26:57 That CIS officer is cute.

    • @ikmalkamal5830
      @ikmalkamal5830 9 месяцев назад

      Eh. The uniform's nice, but she looks like some grandma or a generic character from a western game nowadays, all ugly and annoying.

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 9 месяцев назад +15

    It's a wonder they got anything done at all during the Clone Wars

  • @reyvillegasjr166
    @reyvillegasjr166 8 месяцев назад +5

    The position of head of state was basically whatever dooku wanted it to be and gave himself powers whenever he wanted 😁😂🤣

  • @bgcvetan
    @bgcvetan 9 месяцев назад +25

    It is almost like as if the Confederacy was not intended to win.

    • @kingorange7739
      @kingorange7739 9 месяцев назад +3

      Indeed.

    • @oldylad
      @oldylad 7 месяцев назад

      If Palpy wasn’t influencing them they would’ve without question. Billions of droids to millions of clones, tho if no palpy no clones, they’d have won the war within a year

  • @tk-6967
    @tk-6967 9 месяцев назад +45

    The Council were basically just Sith allies. They had no real interest in the CIS cause, and from a logical standpoint, the CIS actually should oppose them ideologically. The Parliament and Separatist citizens probably just tolerated the council, because the Council were, at the end of the day, mostly made up the same people that the CIS had formed in opposition of.
    It just shows how blindly the people loved Dooku, and I suppose rightfully so, because aside from us, the viewers, and a relatively small group of others, no one knew just how bad he had become under Palpatine and they still thought he was the enlightened guy he was before he became a sith

    • @pancakes8670
      @pancakes8670 9 месяцев назад

      The one issue here is that the people didn't know the Council existed. That's what a Shadow Government is, it's basically an "Illuminati". To the average CIS citizen, there was only the Senate with Dooku serving as a Military Dictator.

    • @tau-5794
      @tau-5794 9 месяцев назад +3

      I wonder if it's a subtle reference to the ACW where the five states that listed slavery as a reason for secession out of thirteen were also all run by former Whig party members, former close allies of Abe Lincoln, in direct contradiction to the more common Jeffersonian Democrat ideals of the other seceding states.

    • @tk-6967
      @tk-6967 9 месяцев назад +8

      @@tau-5794 Interesting idea, but I doubt the CIS are actually based on the IRL CSA that heavily.
      Yes, it is possible the lore writers misinterpreted Lucas' vision like they did with the Empire, but I am pretty sure he did write that there are 'heroes on both sides' and the designs for CIS ships were deliberately supposed to be more similar to the Rebel Alliance to show nuance, so I kind of doubt an indisputably negative rebellion like the CSA was intended to be the inspiration for the CIS.

  • @FrancescoLilley-h8e
    @FrancescoLilley-h8e 27 дней назад

    At 9:36, if you look in the background, you’ll notice they copy and pasted the same 3 senators to fill in the seats

  • @inquisitorgarza312
    @inquisitorgarza312 9 месяцев назад +14

    Perhaps one of the actual reason why the Confederacy would have never won against the Republic because they were decentralized and too loose with its command structure.

    • @semi-useful5178
      @semi-useful5178 9 месяцев назад +9

      What? In most of Legends and simply from the numbers alone the CIS wouldn't have even had to properly fight if it hadn't all been arranged, the Republic didn't even have an army for thousands of years until dear Chancellor Palpatine pulled one out of his ass when the Senate was in full panic mode.

    • @stuglife5514
      @stuglife5514 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@semi-useful5178 Yea, but PDFs were still a thing. Plenty of militarized and industrialized planets that would have no issue conscripting, feeding, clothing, training, and equipping troops. Anaxes, Kuat, and corellia are great examples of that. There’s still a fighting chance. Plus, logistics are important. The republic had better logistics regardless of the clone army or not due to its industrial base but also it’s positioning with a defensive war. The CIS needs twice the ammount of raw resources a organic army needs, less settled systems spread over larger areas of space, and fighting a mostly offensive war up until the end, there’s no real way the CIS could have conquered the republic. Fought to a bloody stalemate? Sure. Won their independence? Sure. But I don’t think it would be a trounce. There’s plenty of examples of the much larger opfor loosing because they don’t have the home turf advantage, like the republic would have in its own space. The CIS economy couldn’t keep up a wartime economy like the republic could, they simply don’t have enough biological organisms working jobs to keep the econemy stimulated, keep the CIS army funded and operational, and wage a offensive war on the republic

    • @GoodmanEldwin
      @GoodmanEldwin 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@stuglife5514 they would actually have an issue with that. I doubt civvies would clamor fighting against easily replaceable battle droids.

    • @oldylad
      @oldylad 7 месяцев назад

      @@stuglife5514billions of droids to a freshly recruited army of who knows how many underequipped and underprepared men isn’t anything. Republic would lose quickly, coruscant would fall within a year, though the republic would probably negotiate a peace deal before that happened

  • @clifdog100
    @clifdog100 9 месяцев назад +19

    Does this mean most droids could technically be considered like…navy marines? Being that they still served as naval soldiers but for the purpose of land missions.

    • @oldylad
      @oldylad 7 месяцев назад +1

      Storm troopers are marines, I’d imagine naval droids are marines and garrison droids are army, same for clones though I think that (this isn’t canon) garrisons of the republic were made up of local soldiers or republican army troopers who were recruited while clones were mostly a marine force

    • @oldylad
      @oldylad 7 месяцев назад +1

      Thing I said about the clones also likely applies to separatist worlds that aren’t occupied, though TCW (shitty show that it is) almost always portrays the separatists as exclusively using droids and the republic only using clones

  • @tylertheodores9384
    @tylertheodores9384 9 месяцев назад +5

    Another awesome video

  • @Darthdoodoo
    @Darthdoodoo 8 месяцев назад +4

    Yes longer videos are the best. Screw shorts

  • @billybob7135
    @billybob7135 9 месяцев назад +3

    Kudos on not changing your intro's beeps to match the Classic Collection's deeper beeps.

  • @robertagu5533
    @robertagu5533 9 месяцев назад +4

    Definitely could use one on GAR/Republic/Jedi Forces

  • @BoBnfishy
    @BoBnfishy 7 месяцев назад +1

    "local planetary governments" is such a wild phrase to me

  • @Lawrence_Talbot
    @Lawrence_Talbot 9 месяцев назад +2

    A detailed video of the Rebel Alliance structure pre New Republic era would be cool

  • @thomasp2414
    @thomasp2414 9 месяцев назад +5

    I really like this video but I just have one question. What was it like for outsiders to gain major support in the CIS temporarily. Like Cad Bane had from memory two commando droids to help him with the prison break. As well as a munificent and accompanying droid forces.

  • @Pahricida
    @Pahricida 8 месяцев назад +2

    The whole CW is just Palpatine playing chess with himself.

  • @markleach2936
    @markleach2936 8 месяцев назад +7

    What happened to the separatists planets after the end of the war? Did they fall in line with the empire like the republic planets

    • @kingorange7739
      @kingorange7739 8 месяцев назад +7

      Most of them were forced to be reintergrated into the Galactic Empire however some resisted in Separatist Holdouts which either went into hiding or tried to fight back against the Empire directly. However the ones that fought back did not last too long and only made it a max of 5 years after the Clone Wars.

  • @prestonpretorius482
    @prestonpretorius482 9 месяцев назад +1

    This was a very interesting and helpful analysis. Would you consider doing a political and military analysis of the empire

  • @tulsatrash
    @tulsatrash 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the explanation.

  • @marshalllatta2073
    @marshalllatta2073 9 месяцев назад +16

    For the separatist alliance

    • @Robweisenhowser
      @Robweisenhowser 8 месяцев назад

      The rebel alliance before the rebel alliance

  • @SirFrankieCrisp94
    @SirFrankieCrisp94 9 месяцев назад

    I'd love to see videos like these on the GAR and the imperial military too.

  • @Torfin2001
    @Torfin2001 9 месяцев назад +25

    Damn, it doesn't matter which side of the Clone Wars you are in. You cannot deny both the separatists and republicans can boast of having certified bombshells with a beautiful facial freckle like Padmé Amidala and Mina Bonteri as peace senators. Both factions had much more in common than they would admit.

    • @davidordaz5251
      @davidordaz5251 9 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah they were both used by a sith lord to gain more power and influence and use both puppet armies to destroy the republic and the separatists and cause chaos and division between them but in the end was all for nothing since palpatine was the true victor of the clone wars not the separatists or the republic

    • @dominicp9296
      @dominicp9296 9 месяцев назад +3

      It didn't matter because papa Palpatine was playing both sides

    • @dominicp9296
      @dominicp9296 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@davidordaz5251real shit on that

    • @loverofbeers
      @loverofbeers 9 месяцев назад

      You two nailed it.

  • @Waterbottlebandit831
    @Waterbottlebandit831 9 месяцев назад +3

    Love when the vids are over 30 minutes 😂🔥🔥 need that long form lore

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 9 месяцев назад +2

    The one with most power in the Separatists is Count Dooku who's a pawn of UNLIMITED POWER, Palpatine.

  • @rustyshackleford5288
    @rustyshackleford5288 7 месяцев назад

    The Battle of Jabiim was ATROCIOUS. I know it would have been hard given the plot, but I really wish they would have included that battle in the Clone Wars show.

  • @hudhud.al.miari.1426
    @hudhud.al.miari.1426 9 месяцев назад +4

    I wonder how the Alliance to restore the republic command structure is like

  • @TheCronq
    @TheCronq 9 месяцев назад +1

    I love longer form videos like this😊

  • @SarcasticEnchilada
    @SarcasticEnchilada 8 месяцев назад +3

    This whole time I assumed the separatists were the bad guys, but all they wanted was independence, and Palpatine played them all, it gives the whole sequel trilogy a darker tone, maybe Anakin was right in the end, from a separatist’s perspective, the Jedi are evil

    • @darthgoetia_n7
      @darthgoetia_n7 8 месяцев назад

      The Republic and CIS as far as corruption were inverses. On the one hand, the republic has a largely well-meaning military (barring some exceptions) by way of several honorbound clones and the Jedi while it has a corrupt and evil bureaucracy on the political side.
      The CIS has a well-meaning and genuine political front by way of the separatist parliament while all of its corruption is in the military by way of violent war crimes and the abuses of the Separatist Council.

  • @Tyranitar01BL
    @Tyranitar01BL 8 месяцев назад +3

    Want them to do a grievous series or a Vader r rated series

  • @midshipman8654
    @midshipman8654 9 месяцев назад +1

    “punitive security forces”
    That a hell of a name.

  • @Angry11B
    @Angry11B 9 месяцев назад +8

    It bugs me hearing a clone call attention for a sergeant.

    • @jeffreycahill3995
      @jeffreycahill3995 9 месяцев назад +1

      But it was Sargent Slaughter.

    • @stuglife5514
      @stuglife5514 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@jeffreycahill3995 Yea but a Sargent is not that much above a private. They aren’t officers, therefore you do not salute them, call attention to them, etc. you only do that for commissioned officers

    • @robertharris6092
      @robertharris6092 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@stuglife5514 unless that seargeant had earned some serious respect from those pirvates.

    • @er-01
      @er-01 7 месяцев назад

      @@robertharris6092that’s not how the military works in real life

  • @zero312
    @zero312 8 месяцев назад +1

    8:38 *gets porg Vietnam flashbacks*

  • @VooshSpokesman
    @VooshSpokesman 6 месяцев назад

    Love from a CoreysDatapad and Vaush fan!

  • @justinhoang6086
    @justinhoang6086 8 месяцев назад +1

    24:32 Bro I heard “Italians” first time around

  • @tadeocardoen7117
    @tadeocardoen7117 5 месяцев назад

    You mistook squadrons for sections at 32:36 / 37:04 while defining the Confederate Task Groups in the Navy part. Minor mistake ik but I thought of letting you know either way.

  • @metalblizzard6024
    @metalblizzard6024 7 месяцев назад

    Great video

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion 9 месяцев назад +5

    If Sev'rance Tann did not die and become the Supreme Commander of the Droids Army instead of General Grievous, how much different will the Clones Wars be?

    • @mayeuldelaunay4058
      @mayeuldelaunay4058 9 месяцев назад +4

      I guess Dooku or Sidious would have found a way to limit her efficienty or eliminated her if she was too efficient or came to suspect something was up with the war. They had planned for Grievous to become Supreme Commander not only because of his competences but because Grievous' hatred of the Republic and Jedi made him too focused on them to notice the Sith's manipulations, and because he was the perfect figure to terrorize the Republic and Jedi, allowing Palpatine to increase his power as the senate and public became increasingly terrified by Grievous and the Separatist' threat and desperate for their safety and order.

    • @lerneanlion
      @lerneanlion 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@mayeuldelaunay4058 Wouldn't she have counter it by conspiring with Ventress and some Separatist military leaders first to launch the military coup against Count Dooku? I'm merely saying that considering how much arrogant she is when she was alive, she would have come to believe that she can take on both Sidious and Dooku for real, especially when they become threats to her.

    • @mayeuldelaunay4058
      @mayeuldelaunay4058 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@lerneanlion As smart as she was I don't think that she would have had a real chance against the master of conspiracies that is Sidious.

    • @mayeuldelaunay4058
      @mayeuldelaunay4058 9 месяцев назад +2

      Nor that she would have a big chance at a coup against Dooku.

    • @theliato3809
      @theliato3809 9 месяцев назад

      Doesn’t change that much since the sith plot is still in play

  • @Overlord367
    @Overlord367 9 месяцев назад

    So your saying it how we all should govern ourselves in the real world so far is what i am herring. 5:47

  • @aliastheabnormal
    @aliastheabnormal 9 месяцев назад +1

    Well, everyone knows that Sidious had UNLIMITED POWER!!!!

  • @RealCodreX
    @RealCodreX 9 месяцев назад

    19:56 Excuse you? Have you even seen the mess that is the GAR command structure?
    Compared to it, the CIS's almost makes sense! XD

  • @MatthewChenault
    @MatthewChenault 9 месяцев назад +5

    *Insert The Bonnie Blue Flag here.*

    • @darthkommandant
      @darthkommandant 9 месяцев назад +1

      It helps that the Separatist flag is blue as well…😂

    • @error5202
      @error5202 9 месяцев назад +1

      B1 singing Dixie

    • @MatthewChenault
      @MatthewChenault 9 месяцев назад

      @@darthkommandant, and bears a hexagon!

  • @socialtortoise852
    @socialtortoise852 8 месяцев назад +1

    does the character at 26:56 have a name/source?

  • @CzCorrupt
    @CzCorrupt 8 месяцев назад

    At the end of the day, palpatine was really HNIC

  • @stevenfarnaby1255
    @stevenfarnaby1255 9 месяцев назад +2

    The answer is Palpatine. Palpatine had the most power in the Confederacy.

  • @jessemilstead810
    @jessemilstead810 6 месяцев назад

    More chill as if disagreeing with someone on the other side of the aisle is massively surprising and violet??

  • @BradanKlauer-mn4mp
    @BradanKlauer-mn4mp 10 дней назад

    The more I think about it, the Clone Wars is a lot like the American Civil War. A group of territories (IRL, the Confederate States of America and in the Star Wars universe, the Confederacy of Independent Systems) secede from an established government and forms a confederacy. The established government (IRL, the United States of America and the Star Wars universe, the Galactic Republic) tries to crush it.

  • @SamuelAnderson-vz7fe
    @SamuelAnderson-vz7fe 6 месяцев назад

    The only thing about their governmental structure is that grievous is a general

  • @connorhofstee9006
    @connorhofstee9006 9 месяцев назад

    video idea LAAT clone gunship vs HMP Droid Gunship

  • @Fed.Hunter
    @Fed.Hunter 8 месяцев назад

    One thing I've never grasped is how separated the CIS was from their army and war. The living beings of many planets had valid grievances but how did they just carry on with their lives not knowing who controls, funds or leads "their" "armies"? Like "hey we don't like the republic" and conveniently the techno Union and trade federation come in and are like okay we'll fund and build a war and battle droids giving command to a murderous rage fueled cyborg and don't worry about how the wars going or what we're doing🤪. ??? They just sat in their comfy planets shielded from war while their battle droids wreaked havoc and terrorized the galaxy? Enslaved and exterminated populations, bled planets of resources and used live shields as a deterrent?

  • @TheZamaron
    @TheZamaron 9 месяцев назад +1

    To keep it simple, Dooku through his words was given full control of the CIS, the Council (the business leaders) had plenty of personal sway since it ws literally their armies fighting the war, I'm pretty certain the COuncil and Dooku pulled enough strings and put out propaganda to make the Senate thing they had a lot of influence. We see this with how ignorant they seemd to be of the literal attricities and evil acts their military officers like Grevious, Ventress, Trench, or Rif Tamsen did.

  • @amadeusamwater
    @amadeusamwater 9 месяцев назад +2

    Actually the command structure for the war was simple, Sidious commanded both sides.

    • @kingorange7739
      @kingorange7739 9 месяцев назад +1

      On a macro level sure, but both organizations still had to be manuveried in manners that went beyond what Sidious could influence on his own.

  • @quantemwensday
    @quantemwensday 9 месяцев назад +4

    the confusing command structure for a paper tiger

  • @glowiak3430
    @glowiak3430 9 месяцев назад +5

    Glory the Confederacy! Glory Count Dooku!

  • @TheRealDarthRevan
    @TheRealDarthRevan 9 месяцев назад

    Did B1 battle droids have to actually pull the trigger on their blasters, or did they interface with a microcomputer in the blaster and fire it with their mind?

    • @rayzuke1232
      @rayzuke1232 9 месяцев назад +3

      yes they had pull the trigger which makes their aim even worse for their overloaded circuits.

  • @EuropeanQualifiersHub
    @EuropeanQualifiersHub 7 месяцев назад

    The video I always wanted to see without knowing it

  • @Yarkoonian
    @Yarkoonian 8 месяцев назад

    30:35 I gotta know where this is from?

  • @calebolds9609
    @calebolds9609 8 месяцев назад

    I'd certainly say its accurate for a secessionist government to form things ad-hoc and have no idea what its doing at first

    • @SeparatistShadowfeed
      @SeparatistShadowfeed 8 месяцев назад

      It did know what it was doing, it seek to build a more prosperous government where the people and individual star systems would determine their lives and not a massive bureaucracy of elitist senators from the core.

  • @neofulcrum5013
    @neofulcrum5013 9 месяцев назад

    I’m even more confused about the structure of the inquisitorous

  • @dannymuggleton6019
    @dannymuggleton6019 9 месяцев назад +2

    The real leader was Roger

  • @nathanielzarny1176
    @nathanielzarny1176 9 месяцев назад +1

    Question: why did grevious listen to sidious if he wasn't a sith?

    • @kingorange7739
      @kingorange7739 9 месяцев назад

      Because Grievous was aware of Sidious as the secret leader behind the Separatists and operated to aid his design in wiping the Jedi out. Grievous wasn't really a Separatist and more cared about bringing about the destruction of the Republic and Jedi.

  • @darkbrightnorth
    @darkbrightnorth 6 месяцев назад

    This once again makes the number of clone troopers stupidly small

    • @darkbrightnorth
      @darkbrightnorth 6 месяцев назад

      It is shocking just how small the clone army is

  • @vitorpereira9515
    @vitorpereira9515 9 месяцев назад +3

    In the Expanded Universe is more simple. Filoni is the responsible of the mess.

    • @tk-6967
      @tk-6967 9 месяцев назад +2

      Nonsense. TCW is a bigger mess, but the EU is much more nuanced and complex, and therefore less simple

  • @ibeastee2435
    @ibeastee2435 9 месяцев назад +2

    Short answer:
    Palpatine

  • @joshk96
    @joshk96 9 месяцев назад

    Yes Republic version please

  • @a.j.wilkes6352
    @a.j.wilkes6352 7 месяцев назад

    Neat!

  • @raphbylestr2578
    @raphbylestr2578 8 месяцев назад

    I loved the video, but does anyone know the actual names of the music tracks used, I can't find them anywhere in the channel linked in the description
    side from that, this was very well made and detailed, I can appreciate that, though I do disregard all Disney add-ons to this timeline, I do appreciate the effort all the same

  • @ChrisBrengel
    @ChrisBrengel 6 месяцев назад

    Ventress rocks!

  • @Stormingmonkey
    @Stormingmonkey 8 месяцев назад

    I'm going to type this before watching the video
    Palpatine is a sith lord. His apprentice is Count Dooku
    Palpatine has a Sith assasin called Darth Maul
    Count Dooku has an assasin called Asajj Ventress
    Count Dooku is the leader (Primeminnister?) of the confederacy of independent planets
    The banking plan, techno union, trade federation are members of the separatist movement, however they deal with both the separatists and the republic
    The leader of the CIS army is General Grievous
    There are many Admirals for the CIS army, one is admiral Trench
    The CIS uses Droid generals, (Square head and weird mustache thing going on)
    Commander droids are marked with yellow
    Regular battle droids are the typical foot solider of the CIS
    Nute Gunray is the leader of the trade federation
    Lock Dood, Is a experimental weapons officer for the Trade federation
    Watt Tambor is the leader of the Techno Union
    Pretty sure that sums it all up

  • @ThirdFortress
    @ThirdFortress 8 месяцев назад +5

    The CIS was right.

  • @ignaciomoreno9655
    @ignaciomoreno9655 9 месяцев назад

    It is very easy. Who did control the separatist?
    Palpatine.

  • @Bluesonofman
    @Bluesonofman 8 месяцев назад +1

    Is durge even still canon anymore?