Star Wars Legion 2.0 - What You Need To Know
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It blows my mind they didn’t have anything prepared for this. Waiting a year until getting a card pack is ridiculous. This in my opinion should have released with a new essential kit, new cards, and if possible new core sets with enough units to address the new upgrade card to increase size. Also including more dice within the core set.
@@MJMatty-cc7kz having played a few games I now have a theory . You know how in video games now you can pay for early access to a game? I always thought it was dumb , you're basically paying money to play test a game for someone . That's how this feels . People rushed out and printed the cards and are playing the hell out of it . All of the feedback will reach AMG and then , when they've got everything where they want it , they'll put money into making the official resources
@@garypeyman932this. It's a public beta in some ways.
Multilingual packs probably don’t sound like a big deal but when you live in Europe it’s huge. Opens the door and gives us tons of options on where to buy from, knowing I can get English cards in a product I order from Spain, France, Germany etc…
Until you end up having a stack of 100 cards you’re paying for and not using.
Try opening a shatter point box and you’ll see just how much is wasted on distribution failings. Like, an amateur kickstarter I backed managed to successfully release multiple language editions printed and sent to various regions. All in one box is laziness.
Indeed this is huge. Getting English packs in Germany has been so much more expensive than the regional versions. Looking forward to this change.
So much waste and yes it does cost me extra money to have cards I don't need.
The lack of product for this is just inexcusable
Really unsure how I feel about all this but I will say I love the idea of doubling B1 units I’ve wished to be able to do that all along
Whenever you call it a new edition someone at AMG spills his coffee.
NeweditionNeweditionNeweditionNeweditionNewedition....
Just a correction. You can move off of a standby with charge and attack a different unit than the one that caused the standby trigger.
“Yes; a unit may perform a free attack action (granted by an eligible keyword) following the free move action granted by the standby token. Such a free attack action does not have any forced declared defender, and as such is not restricted to targeting the enemy unit that set off this chain of events.”
Yeah I've seen this answered - good update - I hope they adjust the rules to more clearly reflect this!
Have people talked about the objective tokens looking like pokeballs?
That's all I see
@@bradlaplante6518 someone needs to make a StormTrooper riding a Charizard instead of a Dewback for the meme potential
My son noticed this immediately!
This is why 40 years later battletech is still played while we watch games come and go.
"Not second" edition reminds be an awful lot of GW's "not seventh" edition of 40k😂
I'm happy with my starwars minis collection. Legion, X-wing and Armada. What an amazing time and Era to be a starwars fan. I for one, am sad that my units are too small for the new edition and will not be buying more to meet those new standards.
The larger units are 100% optional. They are personnel upgrades that take the place of the single trooper upgrade. You don’t need to buy anything else if you have a decent collection and can easily add 200 points to your lists
I can’t justify buying anything from AMG right now. Too much x wing PTSD. I have a lot of legion and am nervous what might be in the future.
Wait so the minis are getting an upgrade as well? My miniatures are going to be obsolete? That sucks man.
Like how you call it as it is crabbok, definitely a new edition
The weirdest thing that I feel few people are talking about is the lack of a new core set. The fact that AMG as of now are selling a core set in which all the cards and most of the core rules book are obsolete without any talk of a new starter is so strange to me.
@@hannesture9313 they did the same to X-wing, so nothing new for AMG
I've been thinking about trying Legion. I thought a new edition would be a good entry point, but looks like it won't be so straightforward.
@@Nintendoggy it's honestly so worth it though. I'd buy a core set and use the DTT army builder app for points, it has been updated already and is a breeze to use. Then the only real difference is using the new online rulebook.
@@Nintendoggy Yeah... Just imagine owning a game store explaining to customers what comes in the starter. Doesnt make any sense...
@@EliWintercross You're right! Werent the changes in X-wing more miniscule though? Dont remember exactly but I feel they mainly changed that ships now had mandatory loadouts... The core rules were more or less the same? I stopped playing as soon as they introduced that though so it may have worsened...
The only thing I really like in these changes is range 4 Eweb.
I think I will be sticking with the old rules (and FFG los).
I only play casual thematic games, so there is nothing forcing me to play the fastest rules. Gonna stick with what I enjoy.
Same!
I'm on the fence . There are bits I like and bits I do not like . I'm an X-wing refuge who picked up legion after AMG nuked the game with 2.5 and I'm perfectly happy to keep playing older versions of games so it'll depend on what my group of gaming buddies want to play
@@garypeyman932I feel like this is the nuke of my only other table top game since x wing
@@sgtsplatter4489 the shift to 2.5 X-wing was really badly conceived and implemented and undoubtedly lead to the death of the game . I've read through the rules for legion 2.0and they're not terrible but something's (looking at the mission selection/initiative system) are overly complicated just like X-wing . I'll withhold judgement till I've had a chance to play it but I don't think it'll kill the game
I appreciate they are taking some time to avoid misprints (I hope), but the change would be easier if the new card packs were available now.
Wouldnt have taken them many calories to hold it off until the cards were ready
I’ll tell you one thing, after seeing the atrocity that is the artwork of Star Wars Unlimited, if nothing else, the art is phenomenal on the card revisions.
So far I like the change, in fact I would be a lot happier if the just released all of the cards print and play. Make it easier to keep them up to date with constant changes.
Na i honetsly hate print and play i might be in the minority tho but im probably going to play few games of the new edition till next year
Not a fan of the new logo or art-style. Too comic-book-y. And yes, it *is* a new edition.
It's the art style change that's annoying me the most. Why strip the art from the upgrade cards?! And even the card art that's changed feels sterile compared to the old style
So they don't have to pay people for as much art. This is really cheesy and crummy
I will say again. Reducicing Stoormtroopers melee to "make way" for riot troopers is a sign of bad design. I would be ok with it if all most basic core troopers across the board were reduced to white in melee (Rebel Troopers, B1, Pikes) with possible exception of clone troopers. But it is not so.
@piotrskodowski7544 yeah, the idea of ragtag rebel troopers being better than storms in melee is annoying.
Even if they had the same dice the stun batons have suppressive to distinguish them
@@EliWintercross I mean stormtroopers specially trained in use of that stun batons and shields are only marginally better than them in cc.
So, with the new intended board size, how often do you find your units in melee? Cause even at a 4x4 I've seen no chance to go for melee yet.
I hope that these changes didn't kill the game.
It will.
I hope not I just got into the game
They kinda killed it for me. Why couldn't they just keep it the same?
I am in the minority in saying that I like the new cover system
I kinda like it - but it's largely going to depend on how the dice treat me!
I don't think so. Most of the feedback I've read has been positive. In my handful of games it hasn't been too different.
I've read a bunch of break downs of people who have played the new rule sets and they like the new cover.
Hope does not slow down gameplay
No, I love it
Nevermind a ploy to make you buy more Rebel Commandos, it's a ploy to make you buy more of every trooper unit!
Someone on Etsy just said challenge accepted.
You don’t deploy off the map. Aside from special rules, you don’t deploy at all. Similar to Conquest, when you activate a unit that is not on the map, they move in from the edge anywhere in your deployment zone by putting the movement tool touching the edge of the map and then moving mostly as normal. It’s as if the unit were deployed off the map, but you don’t actually do that.
Sounds like the WW2 system, Bolt Action (which feels like the system that inspired the Legion 1.0 system).
Still digesting a lot of the updates. Won't be able to play the new rules for while sadly. I'm now on the fence with the changes. Some good. Some bad. Some great. Some cringe. My biggest issue with the whole thing is: you're going to update rules, cards and tools immediately and not release the basic stuff at least within a month? A year is WAY too long. Folks will print their own cards and tools on their own and not buy the official stuff. AMG left money on the table and angered more than a few folks just because of that alone. The rest of the updates are all over the board. Also: thraaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnn!
I feel the same , I'm very on the fence . Some good some bad but I can't play since I don't have printer . Just like 2.5 X-wing there'll be a group of players who can jump straight into it and other who have to wait for a year or until they can find someone to do a lot of printing
I wish they'd given arc troopers steady instead of charge. Might have made take that clackers relevant
Same with fleet troopers. Why would you give fleets charge? Makes no sense whatsoever.
"The six was added randomly"
Dude, we've literally be on 2.X since Clone Wars stuff released...
It’s not 2.x. It’s second edition 1.0
@@phaedrosx nevertheless it feels like a major not a minor version. So it should be 3.0
Yeah but not SIX!
Biggest L for me is the removal of the DC-15 for the Clone Troopers, now you are stucked with Range 2 and 3, always loved the Range 4 option.
There was an AMG livestream shortly after the one dropping all these new rules that talked about clones units coming in the (semi) near future. There will be a different unit called Clone Marksmen that are regular clones all equipped with DC-15s, filling a longer range fire support role. The regular Clone Infantry are a more aggressive short range role now
Whether that’s a good change or not is up to the individual, but at least the DC-15 isn’t out completely 🙂
The DC 15 is still around - it's just being moved to a new unit called Clone Marksmen.
Thanks for the update. I was still learning the last edition, so now it’s time to start all over. 😢😂
Dropping a new edition of SWL right after people were heavily reminded of why X-Wing 2.0 failed is lunacy 😮
I dont mind a new edition but I just cant understand completely shifting everything when you have zero stock ready. Like I couldnt imagine being a store owner and having to explain to people why 50% of what comes in the core box is useless. Its just going to scare new players off in my eyes. Only other thing I have a problem with is no definitions for keywords on the cards. I dont want to have to thumb through a glossary for when I forget something and I mean the cards are blank af anyways its not like theyre short on space lmao.
Ohhh the pokeball objective tokens are just bad too I forgot about that but thats minor.
I am excited. AMG has a storied and acclaimed record of smash hits folliwing rule revamps for great games created by other developers.
😂😂
The pokeball objective tokens look so silly
I've been thinking that too lol. There's no way someone on the design team wasn't like "huh..hey guys doesn't this kinda look like a pokeball?"
Totally agree, first thing I did was make something not so goofy looking.
I got out and sold all of my stuff at my local. Then heard that they're doing a 2nd edition and decided to get back into it. I just resubscribed to the channel.
Just tried out a game with the new rules yesterday, and I must say I really enjoyed them.
The "Deployment" and cover was especially satisfying... As well as making a huge clone unit of 9 clones, 1 Captain and a Z6! :D Felt like using fire support, without having to have a unit with a face up order token!
I will stand by this statement till the day I die, CIS got the most love from this update. AI is barely an issue, running 14 B1s in a single unit, B2s getting so so SO much love, saber users getting cheaper and Dooku getting surge to block naturally! CIS best faction 2024
I think you may have a point.
As a CIS player I am happy!
Also, Ion Spider no longer has exhaust!
I think it would be awesome if you did a "how too play" for new players.
I’m waiting, impatiently, for your video about the new units
My face when i am assembling my first ever core set and this comes up😂, probably just gonna play at home anyways so i'll just do what i learned already lmaooo
I'm interested to hear your opinion after playing a few games. I know this is you favorite game, hope it stays that way
It's not my favorite game, but it's certainly up there.
I love the points increase and cover changes.
I hate the deployment changes.
I had two models left to paint before I was ready to play my first game, and so they go and drop a new edition on me that pretty well invalidates all my list building and research, and I don't even care because we are getting MOUNTED COMMANDERS, HECK YA
I've been out of the loop on Legion for a bit. Will be interesting to see if this new version really entices me to get back into it instead of Shatterpoint.
I like what i've read apart from: only modified cards are in the new art style, Transports are now only increased scout moves, reduction to area controller missions, they miss Sone of the cenic mission we had before, but will see.
Transport is an alternative to scout, can't use both together
@@EliWintercross yes, but in the end scour and Transport increase the deployment move of the trooper unit. After deployment, the transport keyword disappears.
They are way better than scout as you can build the move on top of the transport initiatial move. (Move transport into the field, then dismount from the transport) for somthing like a snail tank this could put a unit of B2’s or Magma guards a good 18-24” up the field turn one.
Very useful video thanks. My guess as to why the (seemingly inexplicable) reason behind no release of product (i.e., cards & suchlike) for v2.0 is that it's in incognito Beta testing with the Legion community doing the testing. Once it's been out and about for six odd months and enough data has been gathered from bth comp and casual play I'd imagine that will inform revamped/updated cards that will then see print.
25:49 you can move then attack someone else with charge/steady/relentless
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I just wish they put an update product out with the changes, or at least within weeks of the anouncement.
i kind of like the new rules, although I need to test them more, but the art on the cards really took a big step back. what's the deal with that??
Havent played this, but considering how they screwed up x.wing hope they didnt mess this up too bad
As a new player this is both exciting and worrying to me I've only just started to understand the old core rules as I've just been painting so having to learn again could be confusing but I'm looking forward to the new rules seeing how they play the new models it's an exciting time to be a SWL fan I think
I got into legion because it wasn't 40k gosh dang it.
Legion came out 6 years ago. It was time for a new edition...
Rip
@@bluewave11020 new edition doesn't mean add needless complexity.
Look into Conquest: Last Argument of Kings
The best dev team on a minis game I’ve ever seen.
@@torlumnitor8230 where’s the needless complexity? I and the people who have actually played it agree that the changes are good. Go play it first before making that generalization
I can see why they nerfed grenades; with a B1 squad doubled in size, equipped with a 5(?) point grenade a player could easily shut down areas with a *12+ red die* range 1 attack. That’s far more powerful than any other individual unit’s attack (or iirc a really beefy old-school Clone fire support attack) for a low-tier Operative total points cost (and only one activation vs OG fire support)… and you could run 6 of them.
Good, because I need more miniature to paint. It got kinda dead there for a bit, so much so that I had to start painting Shatterpoint.
Thanks for the rundown. I'm still not sure more dice rolls with larger armies is a good thing, for the game, looks like it's going to make the games longer even with the reduction in game rounds. But getting into the new rules and get some routine down will tell if I'm wrong.
R.I.P Tempest Force...The standby change and vehicle rule change just killed it 😭
Not having product for 2.0 Legion gives AMG time to see if this gives a surge to Shatterpoint and then dropping Legion like X-wing & Armada.
I'm super happy with the clones. I only ever like running Phase 2 clones, so I'm glad they come with both helmets now.
I need to check my points to make sure I have enough still... I *think* I do though - I got stupid-lucky (50% off sale at a store a month ago) and picked up Ahsoka, Sabine, Echo Base Defenders and Clan Wren for well, 50% off. So I should be fine. Should. Mostly I'm just excited it won't be so hard to squeeze Sabine and Ahsoka into the same list now.
With big upgrade cards it now takes more space on the table and in storage so downsides as well.
I’m excited to to give it a try,
25:52 With the standby, you can charge a different unit than the one that triggered the standby, it was on a forum.
You can move into them - but the attack that follows the charge? According to the printed rules you cannot. If the rules forum has changed that then I hope they adjust the printed rules.
@Crabbok Hi there,
The Relentless Unit Keyword (and Steady & Charge!) may indeed be used following the free move action granted by spending a standby token.
If the standby token is spent to perform a free attack action, the only unit that can be declared as a defender during a free attack made in this way is the enemy unit that performed the effect that triggered the standby. If the standby is spent to perform a free move action, any attacks generated by that move action are not so limited!
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On 7/19/2024 at 9:41 AM, STABcast Ryan said:
Can I delcare any defender in range as the attack came from the keyword and not the standby?
Yes; a unit may perform a free attack action (granted by an eligible keyword) following the free move action granted by the standby token. Such a free attack action does not have any forced declared defender, and as such is not restricted to targeting the enemy unit that set off this chain of events.
Hope this helps,
Seth
Thats from the legion forum, under standby and charge.
The last paragraph confirms the free attack does not have a forced defender.
Awesome that's good confirmation! I do think they should update the rulebook though, because the way it's worded it seemed to me to expressly forbid that - but thanks for the update!
@Crabbok no problem I'm assuming for the time being we will have plenty of forum questions.
Many changes seem positive. Will be growing pains along the way. Excellent summary
If I was looking into starting a Star Wars game, would you recommend Shatterpoint over Legion with all the new changes?
The game needed a bit of a refresh. Often with miniature games the early releases end up under-powered compared to later releases. I hope they spend a lot of effort to balance both the internal choices within each faction and the factions overall.
Thanks for the overview, seems like I take a short break from legion and they change all the rules on me.
Not sure I see the utility of the +5 minis upgrade for corps troopers. Wouldn’t it always be better to just take another corps unit? Although I do think it would be funny to run 100+ b1s
I was never able to find a group to play a game with, so I never really learned how to play. As I have been informed that the local group will not be accepting my participation still, my biggest joy with Legion is the assembly and painting.
After playing a test game on Sunday both me and my opponent found a lot more we enjoyed about the newest additions.
Guardian units also count for providing backup, but can't benefit from backup
I’m excited to try it, Saber Throw on Vader with the new cover system is actually pretty decent, I’m just glad to see something change and give a reason to get Legion back on the TT
AMG is like the Disney of boardgaming,
They don't know what the feck they are doing and are completely winging it
I just got into this game (starter kit arrives today) and I’m so lost about these changes lol
I’m hoping they sell the new board, tokens, cards, etc. as “update packs” and not only in core box sets. I won’t buy a new core box set just for the new “accessories”.
Kinda surprised tournaments don't have a rule for update time limits. Like any updates to the game within 30 days of tournament start are not used, it would cut down on confusion.
Not liking the transport rules at first glance.
The 5 extra troopers using the personal slot I'm not a fan of.
Might have been nicer to give those units an ablity to team up, e.g., two stormtrooper units can be formed into a single choice if one (and only one) has a leader upgrade. This would allow you to have a captain/officer in the unit and also some variety. Instead, we get one heavy choice and 9 basic troops.
The rules on different troop types really seem to push them into specific roles, rebel veterans, and shore troopers are pushed more towards defensive play.
Im curious to know if amg is going to release an upgrade pack and rules so you dont have to buy all new minis. Also wondering if older minis are still going to be good to use or do you need to buy all new product.
I'm assuming the card pack they are releasing next year will have unit cards. I'm definitely buying the rebel and empire rescuplts that are coming.
The new cards will be available in Q3 2025, as well as a lot of supplemental and additional miniatures. You won’t need to replace any of your older models!
They said during ministravaganza they would be releasing card packs.
Seems like a pretty awkward time for me to try get into this since there arent core sets that give me everything to play the current edition yet
What happened to just killing each other?
10 man squads! called it!
i hate the roll to hit roll to wound... i love that legion didnt played like warhammer. i play just with friends and i think we will stick to the old edition for a while
The new cover rules feel really good. Give them a go!
The flat cover was one thing I really liked about legion
@@EliWintercrosssame. Made the game snappy and intuitive!
The more I keep seeing this, and hearing about this…it is exactly how x wing 2.5 went down. I really hope this isn’t the beginning of the end for legion.
Wow, a lot of changes to ingest. Gonna have to try it out
Not having a new core set until next year blows my mind. I've been tempted by Legion for a while and a new edition feels like a good time to jump in... But not when I can't buy a starter set with updated rules in it!
Danggit man...my v1 Legion is still on my Shelf of Shame with only 4 figures assembled. Hmmm.
its so legion 2.0 !
I think I like what I'm seeing so far, but I'm going to sit down and read through the rules. I don't have much experience with the game since I've only really collected minis and painted them, so it may benefit me starting off with a new system. I do have to hand it to AMG for at least salvaging one of the FFG games; maybe it was a cost benefit analysis as to which game they'd stick to but it would have been a travesty had they dropped all of them
i hope they get clone commandos right this time
Literally just got my first army of legion like two weeks ago, having even been able to play yet and they just changed all the rules lol
Need a codex like Warhammer or a combat tracker app available offline
At this point, I am so done with all the changes and remakes. They clearly have no idea what they are doing. LOL
I almost regret buying Star Wars Armada, and I definitely regret buying X-wing 2.0
I wish there wasn't so much paper it's so much time put in to doing that took me an hrb
Beginner here .. hasnt played a single game yet. Do i now need a upgrade set like when xwing 2.0 hit the shelves? as all cards are changed?
I like the changes its refreshed the game
Thank you for keeping us updated
Very helpful video as I'm a new player to SW legion, this video helped me understand the changes better. :)
Very unsure about the cover system.
Looking forward to seeing a couple of battle reports with the new rules.
Launch has definitely been rough. But on balance I am more excited than gutted by the updates to gameplay...
I'm looking forward to this new game it looks awesome.
I picked up a core box a year and a half ago, and sadly haven't actually put the minis together or played yet. I am hoping to do so soon, but it sounds like i should print out the new rules and learn with that, instead of what's in my box? And reprint most of the cards? Sounds fun....
Thanks for this video helped a lot