Perfectly reasonable set of selections when you consider how England have dominated the Six Nations recently and how ordinary Ireland have been. Oh wait…..
Blooming hell, I'm not sure if this is ignorance or arrogance but some staggering decisions. To not mentioned any of the Glasgow pack that won the URC is ludicrous. Then to pick Duhan who people are questioning should even be in Scotland team. But to not even mention Tuipulotu shows a total disregard of URC.
Who’s even questioning that Duhan should be even in the Scotland team ? I’ve not seen anyone, I mean I know he’s not the best defensively but he’s never going to get dropped because of the attacking potential
completely agree, additionally with players like schoeman, darge, jac morgan, reffell not really getting a mention (briefly with morgan but not enough). it comes across as arrogant and very biased. uninformed opinions. players like evan lloyd, finn baxter, ciaran frawley all deserve to be in the debate on current form. how on earth is jamie george in the fold, laughable
Sorry, what exactly have the Scots done at international level this year? Played the easiest summer tour out of all the home nations, lost 3 out 5 games in the 6 nations and finished 4th. Aki was the standout centre of the year. You really think Tuipulotu gets ahead of Aki or even Henshaw?
@@chihangho5377 aki will go but henshaw is past his best and a bit injury prone now. It’s all about taking players who can make that impact , tuipolotu’s size and speed will get him in that team
This was kinda biased, 1 has to be Porter, 13 has to be H Jones or ringrose and 15 Kinghorn. I’m a safa btw and tbh leaving these guys off the 15 is outrages
I think I'd swap Lowe for Feyi-Waboso, Keenan for Furbank, Russell for Smith, Ringrose for Lawrence, and Sheehan for George. Keenan Van der Merwe Ringrose Aki Lowe Russell Gibson-Park Genge Sheehan Furlong Itoje Beirne Lawes Van der Flier Doris Subs: George Porter Fagerson Martin Earl Mitchell Smith Freeman (utility player)
Lets get this straight, 8 England players from a team that's lost the 8 of their last 10 matches, with the 2 wins coming against Japan. What a lot of bollocks!
Blimey, even as an England fan, it's difficult listening to such bias. My team and bench 1. Porter 2. Sheehan 3. Furlong 4. Itoje 5. Beirne 6. Doris 7. Morgan 8. Earl 9. Gibson-Park 10. Russell 11. Van Der Merwe 12. Aki 13. Jones 14. Feyi-Waboso 15. Keenan 16. Turner 17. Schoeman 18. Fagerson 19. Martin 20. Van Der Flier 21. Mitchell 22. Smith 23. Kinghorn
Surely Farrell managing the Irish side will count for a lot more then these two think. Given how strong they’ve been, there’s bound to be AT LEAST 10 Irish starters.
I agree, I’m English & can’t believe he wasn’t even in the conversation… There’s one or two others in France as well, namely Arrundell & Willis to name but a few. 🤔
Yesss! I knew the comments would be on fire for this episode 😂. Big respect to DC for this one 🙌🏻. Just 2 hugely knowledgeable pros offering their pick for viewers entertainment….. people freaking out about it , furiously commenting looking for an argument 🫡👌🏻😂
The bias is hilarious lmao- How can you not include guys like the likes of Tommy Reffell, Sione Tuipolotu, Blair Kinghorn, Huw Jones, and even Ben earl lol. 😂
@@DannyCareYT at the moment yes.👍- for a player like Reffell to be with an extremely under performing wales side and still shining like he his for club and country is truly great to see and as of right now I take him on my team of Van Der Flier
On recent form, you start with the Ireland XV, and then look at the other nations for where there's a better option. At most you get 4 or 5 non-Irishmen drafted in. I'm not an expert on back play, so I'll leave that for others; but in the pack, the Irish front row, Beirne, van der Flier and Doris are 6 definites.
Can't argue with that! I follow England but would definitely take a predominantly Irish pack. With their established understanding and Farrel's coaching, you couldn't have a better start to a tour. It could be detrimental from a morale perspective if too many were picked from one country, but Ireland have too many individuals that are clearly better than others in the home nations. There's a strong argument for Ireland monopolising the backs too! Perhaps it should be rebranded the Irish and British Lions??
Last time I saw something this unfair, it involved a courtroom and a former NFL player trying to squeeze an old, shrivelled leather glove onto his deliberately untreated, arthritic hand.
Its so poor like they're picking Genge cause he wants to hurt people like that's simply not good enough at this level. You need to have and be so much more look what France did to the poor fella 2 years ago he can want to hurt people all he wants the best of the best don't give a shit they'll just smoke you and move on.
Genge must be the most overrated loosehead prop in the world. He is not even in my top 6. Porter, Schoeman, Baille, Nche, Kitsoff, Bell and Lomax are all better than him. Playing the bad boy is maybe good for the media but the truth of the pitch is the real indicator...
As a Scot I think you’ve overlooked the Fagerson’s and Tuipulotu. Also think Kinghorn should be ahead of Duhan, not as powerful, but stronger under the high ball and still got plenty of pace and a bit of physicality about him. Beirne, Doris and JGP looked nailed on. For England does Underhill get a look in? Such a brilliant tackler. Lake for Wales? Reffell and Morgan good players in a very competitive position! I’d also go for Russell at 10, call me biased but his experience would be vital and also a terrific defender in amongst his other attributes.
Got to disagree with your Welsh pics and im Welsh. Unless any Welsh player produces a monumental 6N then only Tomas Williams will go as 3rd choice 9. He's playing some great rugby at Gloucester and at the moment is the token Welsh pic. Ireland 16 players England 13 Scotland 6 Wales 1 would be about right.
@@user-is9ofas long as Smith is at 10 wherever he plays then russel or smith can do the job. At 15 Smith is suspect and you have to have him on the front foot at 10 to get the best out of him.
"Tomos Williams, don`t know much about him but he`s playing well for Gloucester..........." He`s had 58 caps for Wales and been to two RWC`s!! Come on boys, at least try.
For a Lions 23, I want a physical and explosive back line, a creative scrum half/Fly half pairing , a bruising pack and a massively experienced bench. The video clearly has a very strong English Bias. There is no chance Furbank starts over Keenan. Garry Ringrose starts over Lawrence. Finn Russell over Marcus Smith ( Farrell probably brings Finn Russell, Owen Farrell and Jack Crowley). Dan Sheehan is as nailed on a starter as possible, Jamie George is as nailed on a hooker off the bench too. Lawes for me comes off the bench and bruises teams. I think Beirne starts at 6 for added lineout stability. Joe McCarthy and Maro Itoje are absolute monsters and they would be needed in the pack as the Aussies have some big boys in the 2nd row. I think the tightest call in the entire squad is going to be between Duhan Van Der Merve and James Lowe and I think Lowe just about takes the jersey. Duhan is elite but Farrell relies on James Lowes big left boot so much that I can't imagine he goes without it. The bench is where I want a huge amount of experience an know how because you need calm experienced heads to see out games. Jamie George, Zander Fagerson, Courtney Lawes, Conor Murray and Owen Farrell are the perfect amount of experience and leadership you need off the bench. Andrew Porter, Jack Willis and Blair Kinghorn offer game changing ability off the bench. 1 Ellis Genge 2 Dan Sheehan 3 Tadhg Furlong 4 Maro Itoje 5 Joe McCarthy ( Together with Itoje, they would monster teams) 6 Tadhg Beirne 7 Josh Van Der Flier 8 Caelan Doris (c) 9 Jamison Gibson-Park 10 Finn Russell 11 James Lowe 12 Bundee Aki 13 Garry Ringrose 14 Immanuel Feyi-Waboso 15 Hugo Keenan Subs: 16 Jamie George 17 Andrew Porter 18 Zander Fagerson 19 Courtney Lawes ( Imagine bringing this lad on when your starting to get tired) 20 Jack Willis 21 Conor Murray 22 Owen Farrell 23 Blair Kinghorn ( Between Farrell and Kinghorn they can cover 10-15)
@@tobyslater2011 I know he isn't what he used to be but he is vastly experienced and still has an eye from tries. Alex Mitchell will make the lions tour but I want a massively experienced bench and you can't get more experienced than Murray.
I think that the 15 have a good chance to be in a 38 or 53, but unless England beat Ireland in Dublin this year, I think its unlikely that the order is what you think it is. If anything, you would have to assume that Farrell will pick his Lions team starting off with his Irish team and going from there. There is no hope of anyone who is not in a current England 23 being considered as a pick, like Lawes and Danny. I would even be astonished if he picks his son ahead of Russell and the Smiths. I wouldn't completely discount Frawley and Crowley either.
What have either wingers ever done.....nothing.....what has furbank ever done in a big game....nothing. look at what Keenan has done....two absolute tools
They’ve literally mentioned one Welsh player and two Scottish players and then picked 8 English players 😂😂😂😂😂😂 they did it with a straight face as well.
I think I would go 1. Porter (Shoeman, and Genge also to tour) 2. Sheehan (George and Lake also to tour) 3. Furlong (Fagerson and Beelham also to tour) 4. Itoje (Martin to tour) 5. Beirne (Mccarthey to tour) 6. Lawes (Fagerson to tour) 7. Van der Flier (Tom Curry also to tour) 8. Doris (Earl also to tour) 9. JGP (Mitchell and Williams to tour) 10. Russell (Smith and Farrell to tour) 11. Lowe (Graham to tour) 12. Tuipolotu (Aki to tour) 13. Jones (Lawrence to tour) 14. Feyi-Waboso (van der Merwe to tour) 15. Keenan (Furbank to tour)
Loving the content boys & your 1st test team is epic! However personally I’d go for 1. Porter 2. Sheehan 3. Furlong 4. Itoje 5. Beirne 6. Lawes (c) 7. JVdF 8. Dorris 9. JGP 10. Russell 11. Van Der Merwe 12. Aki 13. Ringrose 14. Hansen 15. Kinghorn 16. Lake 17. Genge 18. Bealham 19. McCarthy 20. Earl 21. Williams 22. M Smith 23. Lawrence
15 Kinghorn is a worldy and Tuipoloto the form 12. Genge picked for everything he brings outside of scrummaging which he’s actually pretty average at 😂
If you think this is biased , have a listen to Sam Warburtons team. Its obivious our Sam has taken too many shots to the head. Thankfully its Faz picking the team and not these clowns that cant see beyond the Premiership ffs😂
Think it’s safe to say, we are all glad Danny care isn’t picking the lions team. Furbank, waboso, George, genge and Lawrence don’t have a hope of getting in the starting 15
My 23 from a realistic Welshman 15 Keenan 14 Emmanuel Feyi 13 Jones 12 Bundee 11 Duhan VDm 10 Russell 9 Jamison GP 1 Porter 2 Sheehan 3 Furlong 4 Maro 5 beirne 6 Morgan 7 Earl 8 Doris 16 lake 17 Shoeman 18 Fagerson 19 Martin 20 VDF 21 Tomas WIliams 22 Marcus Smith 23 Kingholm
Only Tomos Williams as a sub should be considered from Wales. Morgan has had no playing time due to injury and unless he has a monumental 6N he wont travel. Williams is shining at Gloucester and if he keeps it going will be a token welsh selection. Got to realise Ireland have such strength and England shortly behind them. As long as Marcus Smith is kept away from the 15 jersey the Lions will be a difficult unit to beat.
I feel like you guys didn't watch any URC or Scotland games in the last year. Glasgow won the URC, winning away semi (at Thormond Park) and final (at Loftus Verfeld). So much of both Glasgow and Scotland's success recently has been the centre partnership if Tuipolotu and Jones so to not even see them mentioned is poor. Scotland & Glasgow also have the Fagerson brothers. Zander has been key holding down the tight head and while I'd agree furlong is easy starter, its a bit harsh not to mention Zander. I think Matt Fagerson is also a good shout for the back row although I'd be happy with what you selected. Surely Darcey Graham and Blair Kinghorn should be in the mix for the back 3? Duhan is great ball in hand but a little vulnerable to ariel battle and Lowe/Kinghorn are arguably much better at that and clearing kicks. If Lawes can come in from international exile to lead, could Rees Zammit come in from rugby exile to start on the wing? I think Finn Russel is better in a new team environment. Finn makes every player around him better even in one off teams like barbarians, he opens gaps for forwards to crash through or space wide for the backs. While I think Smith is great individually, I have seen (more in England than quinns) him make a break using his pace and talent but in a way team mates weren't expecting that leaves him exposed to being turned over. I'd start Russel with smith on bench covering 10&15. Russel can play (and defend) 12 well so there are quite a few options and permutations that could happen if we needed to shift the attacking shape. Berne and Itoje are a little too similar and act in alot of cases more like back row than tight 5. I think to pick them at 4/5 you need a 6 who will contribute to tight 5 work (as Lawes does). Its a problem when your 1 plays like a centre/backrow and 3 plays like a fly half/backrow. It all looks great but you need guys there to do the hard work in all the rucks/tackling to allow guys to do the flash work of getting over ball or securing the quick ball to run the options we would like.
A quick nod to Danny for replying to so many of the comments, even the ones just throwing toys. Interesting 15. Formidable. I would still select Dan Sheehan at 2. Wouldnt choose Porter as much as I like him, because he has a tendency of giving the wrong picture to the refs. Feyi Waboso is potential stardust, but Keenan has made about 2 mistakes in the past 2 years. I like safe hands at 15 under a high ball. That centre pairing could be scary if they manage to run the midfield and communicate properly (although Aki is a bit of a card magnet!)
Once again awesome program, I wish all the people here that think a certain player is a joke to get in, would at least say who they think should be in that position
In what world are Porter and Sheehan not in the squad? Come on lads stop being homies!! And a debate over Keenan??? Hansen is fit again btw. There are other Irish players that should have been chosen but these are obvious!! But honestly George over Sheehan is hilarious
I'm English and don't imagine seeing 8 starting England players (unless there are some injuries, dips in forms etc). Russell likely starts (although he hasn't been on the best form so far this season - we know he steps up in an international shirt and every player can have a few games where they are not at their best). SMith makes a good like for like back-up and would be great for a 20 minute hustle at the end of the games. I don't see Lawes starting, or Furbank - thought they could both be on tour. Genge could be a bigger benefit off the bench. Ringrose is also a starter for me. So we are down to a more realistic 2 starters of Itoje and Feyi-Waboso. And even Waboso isn't that safe, but I think he is the most consistently entertaining winger, he could easily be on the bench. Smith, Genge, George, and potentially Lawrence (as he can play 12 and 13) are more likely to be battling for the bench.
I'm surprised Ben Earl didn't even get a mention. Backrow is exceptionally competitive from all 4 home nations but thought he'd get a mention at least. Given Curry so injury prone and I don't think he's been at his best for a number of years I'd take Earl over Curry.
My XV 1. Genge (17. Porter, either or for me. Baxter is a bolter for me) 2. Sheehan (16. George) 3. Furlong (18. Fagerson) 4. Itoje (19. Chessum) 5. Beirne 6. Ben Earl 7. Van Der Flier 8. Caelan Doris (20. C Cunningham South or Dombrandt) 9. Gibson Park (21. Mitchell) 10. Marcus Smith (22. Finn Russell, can be a direct replacement or Smithy can move to FB) 11. Mani Feyi Waboso 12. Tuipilotu 13. Lawrence 14. Lowe 15. Kinghorn We genuinely have an embarrassment of riches, in everywhere but Wales I think (which is sad because I want all the nations to contribute). And there’s so many playing in France. I think we could pick any XV from the squad he might pick and walk Australia; which says a lot about where the Wallabies are atm.
HIT LIKE if you think this team is better than theirs, just to prove a point. Not all Englishmen are like these chumps. Porter Sheehan Furlong Beirne Mcarthy Earl Doris Morgan Gibson P. Russell Aki Jones VdM Keenan Lowe Fagerson Lake Healy Ryan Lawes Tomos Williams, Smith, Ringrose Very close: Van d Flier Itoje Rowlands Tuipilotu Lawrence M FW Reffell Kinghorn Darcy Graham Wainwright D Jenkins Darge
Not surprising that a massive english biased here, it would be an obvious call for Andy Farrell to field a few Irish players, but Andy is a bigger man than that, he has selected, JGP, Frawley and Osborne when they were not first team picks at club level, so in true ' Lions' values he will spread the 4 nations into the squad. Doris for Captain!
That's a bit nutty Geoff. I don't think Big Faz will be worried about representation of the 4 x nations to win test matches...he'll want the best players on the pitch to get the job done. 50% of their pick is non-English. Thanks for your opinion though. Cheers, Team HDiff
I could be wrong, but 8/15 is not 50%, only 1 scot and no Welsh, likely there won't be many Welsh lads in the entire squad and possibly none in the best 15, but I could envisage a higher number of Ireland players followed by England players and 2 or 3 Scottish players, still interesting to get others opinions. Thanks
@@DannyCareYTJust a bit of banter although the bookies have odds on 10 Irish, 4 English and 1Scot, and thats with Owen Farrell at 10. Not sure Farrell snr will follow the bookies picks.
I think you could put James Lowe on either wing and he would give you a better back 3 combination and balance, doesn't have to be the best individual in a vacuum pick.
1. Porter 2. Sheehan 3. Furlong 4. Itoje 5. Beirne 6. Lawes 7. Willis/Earl 8. Dorris 9. JGP 10. Rusell 11. DvM 12. Aki/Tupilotu 13. Ringrose 14. Lowe 15. Keenan Probably will change a lot. Part of the beauty if Lions tours is there's always a hand full that put their hands up once they're there and in the squad.
People in the comments need to chill. Id have keenan and sheehan in there for sure but its a bit of fun. Tupolotu and ringrose would be a nice balance at centre, genege and porter is a tight one. Id also bring owen faz.
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Perfectly reasonable set of selections when you consider how England have dominated the Six Nations recently and how ordinary Ireland have been. Oh wait…..
england beat ireland last six nations
Blooming hell, I'm not sure if this is ignorance or arrogance but some staggering decisions.
To not mentioned any of the Glasgow pack that won the URC is ludicrous.
Then to pick Duhan who people are questioning should even be in Scotland team.
But to not even mention Tuipulotu shows a total disregard of URC.
*sees no mention of Sioni, turns off*
Who’s even questioning that Duhan should be even in the Scotland team ? I’ve not seen anyone, I mean I know he’s not the best defensively but he’s never going to get dropped because of the attacking potential
completely agree, additionally with players like schoeman, darge, jac morgan, reffell not really getting a mention (briefly with morgan but not enough). it comes across as arrogant and very biased. uninformed opinions. players like evan lloyd, finn baxter, ciaran frawley all deserve to be in the debate on current form. how on earth is jamie george in the fold, laughable
Sorry, what exactly have the Scots done at international level this year? Played the easiest summer tour out of all the home nations, lost 3 out 5 games in the 6 nations and finished 4th. Aki was the standout centre of the year. You really think Tuipulotu gets ahead of Aki or even Henshaw?
@@chihangho5377 aki will go but henshaw is past his best and a bit injury prone now. It’s all about taking players who can make that impact , tuipolotu’s size and speed will get him in that team
Tuipolotu omission is criminal
Based on how many England players there are, they would struggle against Scotland!
It's actually mad like the tight 5 they didn't pick would absolutely melt this side
Porter
Sheehan
Fagerson
McCarthy
Ryan
Dan Sheehan is years ahead of George.
Gary Ringrose at 13.
Hugo Keenan at 15.
There, I’ve fixed it for you.
what a load of nonsense, 8 Englishmen you're having a laugh
Picking their mates
Agreed irish will be in majority
This was kinda biased, 1 has to be Porter, 13 has to be H Jones or ringrose and 15 Kinghorn. I’m a safa btw and tbh leaving these guys off the 15 is outrages
I think I'd swap Lowe for Feyi-Waboso, Keenan for Furbank, Russell for Smith, Ringrose for Lawrence, and Sheehan for George.
Keenan
Van der Merwe
Ringrose
Aki
Lowe
Russell
Gibson-Park
Genge
Sheehan
Furlong
Itoje
Beirne
Lawes
Van der Flier
Doris
Subs:
George
Porter
Fagerson
Martin
Earl
Mitchell
Smith
Freeman (utility player)
@@paulaustin7940😂😂😂
@@paulaustin7940 good shout however i do think feyi waboso belongs there
Imagine losing as much to Scotland as England have in the last few years.. and still having the balls for this
To be fair the PTSD means those games never happened for them.
Can't pick Scottish players as they are all Saffers. Not on.
@kemuse1 unlike aki, Gibson Park and Lowe? Or is it just safa's that aren't allowed? 😂
Im surprised they didn’t put Dylan Hartley in🤣🤣
Lets get this straight, 8 England players from a team that's lost the 8 of their last 10 matches, with the 2 wins coming against Japan. What a lot of bollocks!
Blimey, even as an England fan, it's difficult listening to such bias.
My team and bench
1. Porter
2. Sheehan
3. Furlong
4. Itoje
5. Beirne
6. Doris
7. Morgan
8. Earl
9. Gibson-Park
10. Russell
11. Van Der Merwe
12. Aki
13. Jones
14. Feyi-Waboso
15. Keenan
16. Turner
17. Schoeman
18. Fagerson
19. Martin
20. Van Der Flier
21. Mitchell
22. Smith
23. Kinghorn
Surely Farrell managing the Irish side will count for a lot more then these two think. Given how strong they’ve been, there’s bound to be AT LEAST 10 Irish starters.
If Santa was the coach he’d pick a better team, international success evaded these two…
Probably the worst thing I’ve ever seen. These 2 lads only watch premiership and England. Awful
Truly God awful
Apart from the 6 Irish, 1 x scotsman and countless other non-English suggested as finishers. Thanks anyhow.
@@DannyCareYTno wonder you were no good and only rated as a substitute.
It has to be a parody …. Clueless gobshites
@@davidwalker2402 Get a grip David! It's punditry and it's about opinion!
8 English and only 6 Irish - a recognition of Englands performances in recent years-and the number of 6N tournaments won 😂
Long they actually debated taking George over Sheehan. Closed the video after that.
@@CorneliusclewsburyRose tinted glasses
What a joke, jingoism at its best.
No debate at no 2 Dan Sheehan nailed on
Dorris will be captain and starting 8
1. Porter 2. Sheehan 3. Furlong 4. McCarthy 5. Beirne 6. Fagerson 7. Van Der Flier 8. Doris 9. Gibson-Park 10. Russell 11. van der Merwe 12. Tuipulotu 13. Ringrose/Jones 14. Lowe 15. Keenan 16. Fagerson 17. Kelleher 18. Schoeman 19. Itoje 20. Earl 21. Horne 22. Aki 23. Kinghorn
I throw Farrell in at 10 if available
As soon as you mentioned MRler I knew this was a farce
I think Blair Kinghorn might have something to say about this too!
I'm Irish and I totally agree...Kinghorn has turned into a series player at Toulouse.
Big fan of Freddie Stewart too.
Irish here and 100% id have keenan and kinghorn ahead of furbank but he has definitely improved in the last year
Kinghorn has never really done it at international level though.
I agree, I’m English & can’t believe he wasn’t even in the conversation… There’s one or two others in France as well, namely Arrundell & Willis to name but a few. 🤔
@@BertFlashmanand Furbank has did more? 😂
A masterfully crafted team. Not for the tour of course but to generate interactions on YT! You will go far on this platform Danny.
Yesss! I knew the comments would be on fire for this episode 😂.
Big respect to DC for this one 🙌🏻. Just 2 hugely knowledgeable pros offering their pick for viewers entertainment….. people freaking out about it , furiously commenting looking for an argument 🫡👌🏻😂
The bias is hilarious lmao-
How can you not include guys like the likes of Tommy Reffell, Sione Tuipolotu, Blair Kinghorn, Huw Jones, and even Ben earl lol. 😂
Tommy Reffell over JVF?
@@DannyCareYT at the moment yes.👍- for a player like Reffell to be with an extremely under performing wales side and still shining like he his for club and country is truly great to see and as of right now I take him on my team of Van Der Flier
I do believe Tommy Reffell is currently a better player and is playing better rugby than Van Der Flier at the moment
@@Mikah.29once Jac Morgan is back fit I don’t think Reffell even starts for Wales
your on the danny care podcast mate, I dont think the bias is being hidden.
Jamie George can’t play more than 50 minutes what a joke these two clowns . Last 6 games played England lost 4 won 2 and one of them against japan.
This has to be the most bias lions I have ever seen some shocking takes.
Thanks for your opinion Finn. Who would you select?
@@DannyCareYTI have no idea who he’d select, but I’d put my house on it being a better team than this one!
This has given me PTSD. George Furbank over kinghorn and Smith over Russell, do me a favour.
On recent form, you start with the Ireland XV, and then look at the other nations for where there's a better option. At most you get 4 or 5 non-Irishmen drafted in. I'm not an expert on back play, so I'll leave that for others; but in the pack, the Irish front row, Beirne, van der Flier and Doris are 6 definites.
Can't argue with that! I follow England but would definitely take a predominantly Irish pack. With their established understanding and Farrel's coaching, you couldn't have a better start to a tour. It could be detrimental from a morale perspective if too many were picked from one country, but Ireland have too many individuals that are clearly better than others in the home nations. There's a strong argument for Ireland monopolising the backs too! Perhaps it should be rebranded the Irish and British Lions??
Tuipulotu and Aki is the midfield that the world needs to see
Last time I saw something this unfair, it involved a courtroom and a former NFL player trying to squeeze an old, shrivelled leather glove onto his deliberately untreated, arthritic hand.
You must still be on the RFU's pay roll.....JACK WILLIS !!!!
Over van der Flier?
100% mate. Best 7 in the northern hemisphere.
@@Just_Another_John who
@@Just_Another_John what has he won 🏆 🤔 😳
@@Just_Another_John.over Willis check your breaks bro
As a saffa 1 porter 2 shehan 3 furlong 4 itoje 5 beirne 6 doris 7 flier 8 earl the backs i dont pay attention too barring lowe
I stopped watching after you guys picked George and Genge ahead of Porter/Schoeman and Sheehan.
cool story bro.
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Its so poor like they're picking Genge cause he wants to hurt people like that's simply not good enough at this level. You need to have and be so much more look what France did to the poor fella 2 years ago he can want to hurt people all he wants the best of the best don't give a shit they'll just smoke you and move on.
They're scrummaging against Australia buddy...keep calm.
Genge must be the most overrated loosehead prop in the world. He is not even in my top 6. Porter, Schoeman, Baille, Nche, Kitsoff, Bell and Lomax are all better than him. Playing the bad boy is maybe good for the media but the truth of the pitch is the real indicator...
Only 1 Scot? They've dominated the Calcutta Cup in recent years.
This is hilarious! They're in with a shout of the Perrier Award with this level of comedy.
1. Porter
2. Sheehan
3. Furlong
4. Beirne
5. Martin
6. Lawes (if not on tour, then VDF)
7. J.Willis
8. Doris
9. Gibson-Park
10. Russell
11. van der Merwe
12. Tuipulotu
13. Ringrose
14. Feyi-Waboso
15. Furbank
16. George
17. Schoeman
18. Fagerson
19. McCarthy
20. Earl
21. T.Williams
22. Aki
23. Kinghorn
Happy with that. Except VDM. I’d have lowe instead. From an Englishman!
Keenan is 15 without a shadow of doubt....don't care what country you come from. Furbank not in the same league
@@alecbothwell9730kinghorn is nailed on at 15, Keenan could play on the wing
Yeah pretty close, would'd quibble to much, maybe 2 or three toss ups I'd change but certainly more reasonable than these clowns
@@JackMontgomery10 I’d pay to watch that team
I am an England fan, but this team is too England heavy.
Think you guys need to watch a bit more rugby!
As a Scot I think you’ve overlooked the Fagerson’s and Tuipulotu. Also think Kinghorn should be ahead of Duhan, not as powerful, but stronger under the high ball and still got plenty of pace and a bit of physicality about him. Beirne, Doris and JGP looked nailed on. For England does Underhill get a look in? Such a brilliant tackler. Lake for Wales? Reffell and Morgan good players in a very competitive position!
I’d also go for Russell at 10, call me biased but his experience would be vital and also a terrific defender in amongst his other attributes.
After his shockers in the prem this season I'd rather see Marcus Smith over Russel and maybe bring Russel off the bench
Why would you downgrade Ireland with those Scots?
They both probably don’t want the URC Doug.
Got to disagree with your Welsh pics and im Welsh. Unless any Welsh player produces a monumental 6N then only Tomas Williams will go as 3rd choice 9. He's playing some great rugby at Gloucester and at the moment is the token Welsh pic. Ireland 16 players England 13 Scotland 6 Wales 1 would be about right.
@@user-is9ofas long as Smith is at 10 wherever he plays then russel or smith can do the job. At 15 Smith is suspect and you have to have him on the front foot at 10 to get the best out of him.
"Tomos Williams, don`t know much about him but he`s playing well for Gloucester..........." He`s had 58 caps for Wales and been to two RWC`s!! Come on boys, at least try.
You do know Andy Farnell will have more irish than English and rightly so
I don't think I've ever seen a worse selection video
1. Porter
2. Sheehan
3. Furlong
4. Itoje
5. Beirne
6. Lawes
7. Vdf
8. Dorris
9. Jgp
10. Smith
11. Lowe
12. Aki
13. Tuipulotu
14. Steyn
15. Keenan
16. George
17. Genge
18. Fagerson
19. Joe mc carthy
20. Earl
21. Mitchell
22. Russel
23. Ringrose
Best list, so far
To not even mention Kinghorn, Tuipoloutu and to pick George ahead of Sheehan - makes this a bit of a farce!
For a Lions 23, I want a physical and explosive back line, a creative scrum half/Fly half pairing , a bruising pack and a massively experienced bench. The video clearly has a very strong English Bias. There is no chance Furbank starts over Keenan. Garry Ringrose starts over Lawrence. Finn Russell over Marcus Smith ( Farrell probably brings Finn Russell, Owen Farrell and Jack Crowley). Dan Sheehan is as nailed on a starter as possible, Jamie George is as nailed on a hooker off the bench too. Lawes for me comes off the bench and bruises teams. I think Beirne starts at 6 for added lineout stability. Joe McCarthy and Maro Itoje are absolute monsters and they would be needed in the pack as the Aussies have some big boys in the 2nd row. I think the tightest call in the entire squad is going to be between Duhan Van Der Merve and James Lowe and I think Lowe just about takes the jersey. Duhan is elite but Farrell relies on James Lowes big left boot so much that I can't imagine he goes without it. The bench is where I want a huge amount of experience an know how because you need calm experienced heads to see out games. Jamie George, Zander Fagerson, Courtney Lawes, Conor Murray and Owen Farrell are the perfect amount of experience and leadership you need off the bench. Andrew Porter, Jack Willis and Blair Kinghorn offer game changing ability off the bench.
1 Ellis Genge
2 Dan Sheehan
3 Tadhg Furlong
4 Maro Itoje
5 Joe McCarthy ( Together with Itoje, they would monster teams)
6 Tadhg Beirne
7 Josh Van Der Flier
8 Caelan Doris (c)
9 Jamison Gibson-Park
10 Finn Russell
11 James Lowe
12 Bundee Aki
13 Garry Ringrose
14 Immanuel Feyi-Waboso
15 Hugo Keenan
Subs:
16 Jamie George
17 Andrew Porter
18 Zander Fagerson
19 Courtney Lawes ( Imagine bringing this lad on when your starting to get tired)
20 Jack Willis
21 Conor Murray
22 Owen Farrell
23 Blair Kinghorn ( Between Farrell and Kinghorn they can cover 10-15)
Love the detail and thought process here. Don’t agree with everything but lots of sensible logic 10/10 from us!!👊
Conor Murray? It’s not the 2017 Lions v NZ tour
@@tobyslater2011 I know he isn't what he used to be but he is vastly experienced and still has an eye from tries. Alex Mitchell will make the lions tour but I want a massively experienced bench and you can't get more experienced than Murray.
I think that the 15 have a good chance to be in a 38 or 53, but unless England beat Ireland in Dublin this year, I think its unlikely that the order is what you think it is. If anything, you would have to assume that Farrell will pick his Lions team starting off with his Irish team and going from there. There is no hope of anyone who is not in a current England 23 being considered as a pick, like Lawes and Danny. I would even be astonished if he picks his son ahead of Russell and the Smiths. I wouldn't completely discount Frawley and Crowley either.
1 Andrew Porter 🇮🇪
2 Dan Sheehan 🇮🇪
3 Zander Fagerson 🏴
4 Maro Itoje 🏴
5 Tadgh Bierne 🇮🇪
6 Matt Fagerson 🏴
7 Josh VDF 🇮🇪
8 Caelan Doris 🇮🇪
9 Jamison Gibson-Park 🇮🇪
10 Finn Russell 🏴
11 Duhan VDM 🏴
12 Sione Tuipulotu 🏴
13 Gary Ringrose 🇮🇪
14 James Lowe 🇮🇪
15 Blair Kinghorn 🏴
16 Jamie George 🏴
17 Pierre Schoeman 🏴
18 Tadgh Furlong 🇮🇪
19 Joe McCarthy 🇮🇪
20 Ben Earl 🏴
21 Tomos Williams 🏴
22 Marcus Smith 🏴
23 Hugo Keenan 🇮🇪
Oooomph! That’s a 👌👌👌👌squad!
What have either wingers ever done.....nothing.....what has furbank ever done in a big game....nothing. look at what Keenan has done....two absolute tools
Whats the point being pundits if you just pick your mates and have very limited opinions.
They’ve literally mentioned one Welsh player and two Scottish players and then picked 8 English players 😂😂😂😂😂😂 they did it with a straight face as well.
I think I would go
1. Porter (Shoeman, and Genge also to tour)
2. Sheehan (George and Lake also to tour)
3. Furlong (Fagerson and Beelham also to tour)
4. Itoje (Martin to tour)
5. Beirne (Mccarthey to tour)
6. Lawes (Fagerson to tour)
7. Van der Flier (Tom Curry also to tour)
8. Doris (Earl also to tour)
9. JGP (Mitchell and Williams to tour)
10. Russell (Smith and Farrell to tour)
11. Lowe (Graham to tour)
12. Tuipolotu (Aki to tour)
13. Jones (Lawrence to tour)
14. Feyi-Waboso (van der Merwe to tour)
15. Keenan (Furbank to tour)
Loving the content boys & your 1st test team is epic! However personally I’d go for
1. Porter
2. Sheehan
3. Furlong
4. Itoje
5. Beirne
6. Lawes (c)
7. JVdF
8. Dorris
9. JGP
10. Russell
11. Van Der Merwe
12. Aki
13. Ringrose
14. Hansen
15. Kinghorn
16. Lake
17. Genge
18. Bealham
19. McCarthy
20. Earl
21. Williams
22. M Smith
23. Lawrence
Safe to say that will not be the starting 15 Farrell picks
15 Kinghorn is a worldy and Tuipoloto the form 12. Genge picked for everything he brings outside of scrummaging which he’s actually pretty average at 😂
The Ozzies are filling their pint glasses with tears already.
Bless them, they don't have a hope in hell ! 😂😅
If you think this is biased , have a listen to Sam Warburtons team. Its obivious our Sam has taken too many shots to the head.
Thankfully its Faz picking the team and not these clowns that cant see beyond the Premiership ffs😂
Except for the 6 Irish players and 1 Scotsman not playing in the Prem. Cheers
If its this team, I'm selling the tickets I've just bought... ffs
My pack:
Porter
Sheehan
Furlong
Itoje
McCarthy
Beirne
Willis
Doris
Bench- Lake, Genge/Marler, Fagerson, Martin, Earl
Backs:
JGP
Russell
IFW
Tuipulotu
H Jones
Lowe
Literal toss up between Kinghorn and Keenan
Bench- Mitchell, M Smith, Lawrence/Henshaw
15 will be Blair Kinghorn, Hugo Keenan or Liam Williams
Jack Willis (Toulouse) for Lions tour!
This has aged well... In only 4 weeks 😂
My view as follows
1. Porter
2. Sheehan
3. Furlong
4. Bierne
5. McCarthy
6. Doris
7. Flier
8. Dempsey
9. Gibson park
10. Russell
11. Duhan
12 tiopuloto
13 Jones/Lawrence
14. Low
15. Kinghorn
Schoeman, sheehan, furlong, cummings, beirne, underhill, raffel, Doris, gibson park, smith, adams, aki, huw jones, wabosso, keenan. A well represented lions
Schoeman, Sheehan, Furlong, Mccarthy, Itoje, Byrne, Morgan, Doris, JGP, Farrell, DVDM Aki, Ringrose, Kinghorn, Keenan.
*Apologies Beirne
Think it’s safe to say, we are all glad Danny care isn’t picking the lions team. Furbank, waboso, George, genge and Lawrence don’t have a hope of getting in the starting 15
My 23 from a realistic Welshman
15 Keenan
14 Emmanuel Feyi
13 Jones
12 Bundee
11 Duhan VDm
10 Russell
9 Jamison GP
1 Porter
2 Sheehan
3 Furlong
4 Maro
5 beirne
6 Morgan
7 Earl
8 Doris
16 lake
17 Shoeman
18 Fagerson
19 Martin
20 VDF
21 Tomas WIliams
22 Marcus Smith
23 Kingholm
Only Tomos Williams as a sub should be considered from Wales. Morgan has had no playing time due to injury and unless he has a monumental 6N he wont travel. Williams is shining at Gloucester and if he keeps it going will be a token welsh selection. Got to realise Ireland have such strength and England shortly behind them. As long as Marcus Smith is kept away from the 15 jersey the Lions will be a difficult unit to beat.
I'm not sure you can get a stadium all the way to Australia I know the shed are the 16th man I would take Kinghorn !!
1. Porter
2. Sheehan
3. Furlong
4. Itoje
5. Martin
6. Lawes
7. Earl
8. Doris
9. Gibson Park
10. M. Smith
11. Feyi-Wabaso
12. Aki
13. Tuipulotu
14. Lowe
15. Kinghorn
I feel like you guys didn't watch any URC or Scotland games in the last year.
Glasgow won the URC, winning away semi (at Thormond Park) and final (at Loftus Verfeld). So much of both Glasgow and Scotland's success recently has been the centre partnership if Tuipolotu and Jones so to not even see them mentioned is poor.
Scotland & Glasgow also have the Fagerson brothers. Zander has been key holding down the tight head and while I'd agree furlong is easy starter, its a bit harsh not to mention Zander. I think Matt Fagerson is also a good shout for the back row although I'd be happy with what you selected.
Surely Darcey Graham and Blair Kinghorn should be in the mix for the back 3? Duhan is great ball in hand but a little vulnerable to ariel battle and Lowe/Kinghorn are arguably much better at that and clearing kicks. If Lawes can come in from international exile to lead, could Rees Zammit come in from rugby exile to start on the wing?
I think Finn Russel is better in a new team environment. Finn makes every player around him better even in one off teams like barbarians, he opens gaps for forwards to crash through or space wide for the backs. While I think Smith is great individually, I have seen (more in England than quinns) him make a break using his pace and talent but in a way team mates weren't expecting that leaves him exposed to being turned over. I'd start Russel with smith on bench covering 10&15. Russel can play (and defend) 12 well so there are quite a few options and permutations that could happen if we needed to shift the attacking shape.
Berne and Itoje are a little too similar and act in alot of cases more like back row than tight 5. I think to pick them at 4/5 you need a 6 who will contribute to tight 5 work (as Lawes does). Its a problem when your 1 plays like a centre/backrow and 3 plays like a fly half/backrow. It all looks great but you need guys there to do the hard work in all the rucks/tackling to allow guys to do the flash work of getting over ball or securing the quick ball to run the options we would like.
How you lads planning on winning lineouts?
Jamie’s 90%+ accuracy and Maro/Courtney/Beirne jumping. Not a terrible suggestion is it?
As an Englishman I'm sorry to say Danny and Mark you've not been watching international rugby for a while. 80% of that team won't be on the plane
A quick nod to Danny for replying to so many of the comments, even the ones just throwing toys. Interesting 15. Formidable. I would still select Dan Sheehan at 2. Wouldnt choose Porter as much as I like him, because he has a tendency of giving the wrong picture to the refs. Feyi Waboso is potential stardust, but Keenan has made about 2 mistakes in the past 2 years. I like safe hands at 15 under a high ball. That centre pairing could be scary if they manage to run the midfield and communicate properly (although Aki is a bit of a card magnet!)
Very interesting selection here lads...not at all biased😂😂😂..hardly worth debating 😂
Once again awesome program, I wish all the people here that think a certain player is a joke to get in, would at least say who they think should be in that position
So England as finished 3rd and 4th in the table in the last 2 years and they have 8 starting players😂😂
But finished 3rd in RWC.Think about that Ed.
1 porter
2 Sheehan
3 furlong
4 Martin
5 Joe McCarthy
6 Tadgh beirne
7 vdf
8 Dorris captain
9 jgp
10 Finn
11 v Der mer
12tuipolata
13 ringrose
14 Mac Hansen
15 Keenan
Subs
Itoje
Ben earl
Kinghorn
Welsh Scrum half?
Farrell
Genge
Schoeman
Kelleher
In what world are Porter and Sheehan not in the squad? Come on lads stop being homies!! And a debate over Keenan??? Hansen is fit again btw. There are other Irish players that should have been chosen but these are obvious!! But honestly George over Sheehan is hilarious
I'm English and don't imagine seeing 8 starting England players (unless there are some injuries, dips in forms etc).
Russell likely starts (although he hasn't been on the best form so far this season - we know he steps up in an international shirt and every player can have a few games where they are not at their best). SMith makes a good like for like back-up and would be great for a 20 minute hustle at the end of the games. I don't see Lawes starting, or Furbank - thought they could both be on tour. Genge could be a bigger benefit off the bench. Ringrose is also a starter for me. So we are down to a more realistic 2 starters of Itoje and Feyi-Waboso. And even Waboso isn't that safe, but I think he is the most consistently entertaining winger, he could easily be on the bench. Smith, Genge, George, and potentially Lawrence (as he can play 12 and 13) are more likely to be battling for the bench.
I'm surprised Ben Earl didn't even get a mention. Backrow is exceptionally competitive from all 4 home nations but thought he'd get a mention at least. Given Curry so injury prone and I don't think he's been at his best for a number of years I'd take Earl over Curry.
Genge Sheehan Furlong, Martin & Beirne, Doris Morgan Cunningham-South, Gibson Park & Smith, Tuipoloto & Jones, Keenan Duhan and.. Wade!
It should be Ireland plus Russell at 10, Duhan on the wing, easy, there’s no need to downgrade them with any more English or Scottish players
My XV
1. Genge (17. Porter, either or for me. Baxter is a bolter for me)
2. Sheehan (16. George)
3. Furlong (18. Fagerson)
4. Itoje (19. Chessum)
5. Beirne
6. Ben Earl
7. Van Der Flier
8. Caelan Doris (20. C Cunningham South or Dombrandt)
9. Gibson Park (21. Mitchell)
10. Marcus Smith (22. Finn Russell, can be a direct replacement or Smithy can move to FB)
11. Mani Feyi Waboso
12. Tuipilotu
13. Lawrence
14. Lowe
15. Kinghorn
We genuinely have an embarrassment of riches, in everywhere but Wales I think (which is sad because I want all the nations to contribute). And there’s so many playing in France. I think we could pick any XV from the squad he might pick and walk Australia; which says a lot about where the Wallabies are atm.
HIT LIKE if you think this team is better than theirs, just to prove a point. Not all Englishmen are like these chumps.
Porter Sheehan Furlong
Beirne Mcarthy
Earl Doris Morgan
Gibson P. Russell
Aki Jones
VdM Keenan Lowe
Fagerson Lake Healy
Ryan Lawes
Tomos Williams, Smith, Ringrose
Very close:
Van d Flier
Itoje
Rowlands
Tuipilotu
Lawrence
M FW
Reffell
Kinghorn
Darcy Graham
Wainwright
D Jenkins
Darge
“This is not just picking our mates.”
Marcus Smith at ten.
George couldn’t carry Sheehans boots
Itoje never had a bad game? You can’t be serious
Not surprising that a massive english biased here, it would be an obvious call for Andy Farrell to field a few Irish players, but Andy is a bigger man than that, he has selected, JGP, Frawley and Osborne when they were not first team picks at club level, so in true ' Lions' values he will spread the 4 nations into the squad. Doris for Captain!
That's a bit nutty Geoff. I don't think Big Faz will be worried about representation of the 4 x nations to win test matches...he'll want the best players on the pitch to get the job done. 50% of their pick is non-English. Thanks for your opinion though. Cheers, Team HDiff
I could be wrong, but 8/15 is not 50%, only 1 scot and no Welsh, likely there won't be many Welsh lads in the entire squad and possibly none in the best 15, but I could envisage a higher number of Ireland players followed by England players and 2 or 3 Scottish players, still interesting to get others opinions. Thanks
@@geoffnelson6756 Can't cut a player in half Geoff, you get the point right?
@@DannyCareYTJust a bit of banter although the bookies have odds on 10 Irish, 4 English and 1Scot, and thats with Owen Farrell at 10. Not sure Farrell snr will follow the bookies picks.
the english bias is extraordinary.
Tommy Reffell from Leicester Tigers and Wales should be going on the lions
Genge, Sheehan, Furlong, Itoje, Beirne, Doris, Van Der Flier, Earl, Gibson Park, Farrell, Aki, Ringrose, Van Der Merwe, Dyer, Keenan bench Porter, George, Fagerson, McCarthy, Darge, Mitchell, Russell, Kinghorn
Farrell? You're having a laugh!
I think you could put James Lowe on either wing and he would give you a better back 3 combination and balance, doesn't have to be the best individual in a vacuum pick.
1st pick is choosing between two english props haha
I trust Danny’s opinion on scrum halves and nothing else based on this video
This is the starting team for me:
1. Porter
2. Sheehan
3. Furlong
4. Itoje
5. Beirne
6. Lawes
7. Earl
8. Doris
9. JGP
10. Russel
11. Lowe
12. Aki
13. Jones
14. IFW
15. Kinghorn
16. George
17. Schoeman
18. Cole
19. Van Der Flier
20. J.Willis
21. Mitchell
22. Smith
23. Ringrose
Joe mc carthy over vdf off the bench but otherwise pretty good
I wouldnt break the center pairing
Tuipolutu-Jones
Aki-Ringrose
1. Porter
2. Sheehan
3. Furlong
4. Itoje
5. Beirne
6. Lawes
7. Willis/Earl
8. Dorris
9. JGP
10. Rusell
11. DvM
12. Aki/Tupilotu
13. Ringrose
14. Lowe
15. Keenan
Probably will change a lot. Part of the beauty if Lions tours is there's always a hand full that put their hands up once they're there and in the squad.
People in the comments need to chill. Id have keenan and sheehan in there for sure but its a bit of fun. Tupolotu and ringrose would be a nice balance at centre, genege and porter is a tight one. Id also bring owen faz.
Wise words Mike!
1. Genge
2. Sheehan
3. Furlough
4. Itoje
5. Beirne
6. Lawes/Willis
7. Earl
8. Doris
9. JGP
10. Russell
11. Van Der Merwe
12. Tuipilotu
13. Ringrose
14. Lowe
15. Klinghorn
Well done Mr Care a good watch.
how are you not picking jack willis at 7, without a doubt my 7.
If this the Lions squad then it will be a whitewash for Australia. 🤣
So these guys picking their mates that have played or had 1 good move. Send this team and Oz will win
Welsh and Scot’s are gonna kick off 😂😂
No ben earl is interesting🤔
I thought I was going to hear George Martin's name in the second row...would be good to see him and Underhill smashing some aussies :)
Ahmed Gengy!!!! 😂😂😂
From South Africa realy like your podcast