NORTH vs SOUTH | RUGBY'S ULTIMATE TEST! | WHO PLAYS? WHO WINS?
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- This would be the ULTIMATE Rugby Test. Why has this not happened already?! The Best of the Hemispheres head to head. I'll delve into WHY it should happen, WHAT problems it solves, WHEN and HOW it would work.
Plus WHO would play and WHO would win?! Please share the video, like and comment so that we can get this under World Rugby's nose.
I would do this every 2 years. You'd have World Cup one year, North Vs South the next year, Lions Tour next year, North Vs South the year after that and then the next year back to the world cup. JOB DONE
Just replace the lions with a North vs South. Alternate location every 4 years
@jbask7124 nice idea mate... but I think I'll stick with mine, sorry. I love the Lions series.
Yes. I would not take away the Lions tour. It's a very special and iconic thing rugby has. I agree, do it every 2 years. I also would do it maybe at the end of the season of that year.
Too saturated! Less is best! Makes us want it more! Every 4 years between W.Cs.
Manna from the gods!!
Barbarians North vs Barbarians South..... I would love to see it in a 3 or 5 test match series rotating venues.
5 is probably too taxing and difficult to arrange given all the players are on various schedules.
3 is possible but even so that's going to require 5-8 weeks of player availability.
Northern Lions Vs. Southern Kings!
@@Waywind420 5 weeks. If it booms it will be prioritized. Players would earn enough playing more international rugby to not play as much other competitions and clubs will pay less for player contracts because they won't be interested in contracting big deal signings to play 5 games a season.
Not Barbarians… Barbarians is a thrown together team with an expectation that you will play ball in hand rugby regardless
@@DanC-r2wI'd do it the other way around. Northern Kings & Southern Lions. Since lions are technically from the southern hemisphere & there are kings in the north.
Seriously man! Now I'm hyped up for a game that isn't even happening ahah
Same 😂
Me too🤦🏻♀️. I'd pay good money to watch that game.
Me too.
Hello ! May Allah protect and guide you to his light and happiness in this life and the hereafter, God bless, Ameen. Excuse me for giving a little presentation of Islam, because it is very misunderstood nowadays, especially on those « Antichrist's » times, where media and politics are mixed to distort history and truth. And terrorists (puppets of the Antichrist) who misinterpret verses, out of ignorance and political motivations, and take them out of historical context (just like radical atheists do by the way) don't help either. Thank you very much for your time.
First of all, if you have any questions regarding Islam and yourself, just open the Quran randomly, and you will find the answer in front of you, like a miracle and a sign from God.
Islam is an arabic word that means the Surrender to the One and Only God, our Creator, Protector, Provider, who gives us life and all that we have, we are safe and sound by his will and grace, we are His and to Him we return, and we have to thank him in this trial life by submitting to him by our free will, or later in the Day of judgment when it's too late to save our own skin. Islam was the original Religion descended to earth from heaven with Adam and Eve (peace and blessing be upon them) in the beginning of humanity. and was passed to people with the succession of the 124 000 prophets and 315 messengers of God to all nations and civilizations since, passing by Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ismaël, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, David, Solomon and Jesus (Peace and blessing be upon them) during the history of mankind, the last replaces and completes the previous, until the succession of the last messenger of God fourteen centuries ago, Muhammad (Peace and blessing be upon him) to complete the noble morals of all mankind, to bring humans and jinns out of darkness into light, and to purify people's religion and belief from corruption and polytheism, and return it to purity and true monotheism, like it was in the times of the prophets (Peace and blessing be upon them).
Many Religions that we know nowadays, at their beginning were true and under Islam, initiated by one of the prophets of God, but their original teachings, history and scriptures have been corrupted over time with falsification and polytheism, or lost and replaced with false ones. That's why Islam is the only Religion accepted by God nowadays, which consists in bearing witness that there is no god besides Allah (God in Aramaic, the original language of Jesus and the Gospel), and that Muhammad is His servant and messenger, just like Jesus and Moses and others are His servants and messengers. Never a messenger of God said he was God or literally son of God, it was the people after him who changed the words of God and corrupted the Religion. God is unique and absolute, He does not need to have a family and sons or to associate anyone else with His kingdom, He can simply create whatever He wants, everything belongs to Him, and to Him everything will return. Allah said in Surah Al-Mu’minun : “God has never begotten a son, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what it has created, and some of them would have gained supremacy over others. Glory be to God, far beyond what they describe. The Knower of the hidden and the manifest. He is exalted, far above what they associate. (91-92 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah means the one and only God, the God of all prophets and creatures, the creator of the universe and mankind, and the Master of the Day of judgment, where our destiny, Hell or Paradise, is decided based on our faith and deeds in this trial life, and above all, Allah's mercy.
Allah said in Surah Al-Ikhlas : In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Say, “He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none comparable to Him.” (1-4 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah said in Surah An-Nisa : O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ Jesus, son of Mary, was but God's Apostle - [the fulfilment of] His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, "[God is] a trinity". Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; utterly remote is He, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God. Never did the Christ feel too proud to be God's servant, nor do the angels who are near unto Him. And those who feel too proud to serve Him and glory in their arrogance [should know that on Judgment Day] He will gather them all unto Himself: (171-172 / Translated by Muhammad Asad).
Allah the Most Merciful said in Surah Ali-Imran : Behold, the only [true] religion in the sight of God is [man's] self-surrender unto Him; and those who were vouchsafed revelation aforetime took, out of mutual jealousy, to divergent views [on this point] only after knowledge [thereof] had come unto them. But as for him who denies the truth of God's messages - behold, God is swift in reckoning!
Thus, [O Prophet,] if they argue with thee, say, "I have surrendered my whole being unto God, and [so have] all who follow me!" - and ask those who have been vouchsafed revelation aforetime, as well as all unlettered people, "Have you [too] surrendered yourselves unto Him?" And if they surrender themselves unto Him, they are on the right path; but if they turn away - behold, thy duty is no more than to deliver the message: for God sees all that is in [the hearts of] His creatures.
Verily, as for those who deny the truth of God's messages, and slay the prophets against all right, and slay people who enjoin equity - announce unto them a grievous chastisement.
It is they whose works shall come to nought both in this world and in the life to come; and they shall have none to succour them.
(19-22 / Translated by Muhammad Asad)..
God said : Say, “We believe in Allah, and in what was revealed to us, and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and in what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We do not differentiate between any of them. And to Him, we surrender.”
(2:136 / Translated by Community)
Salam (Peace) ---------------------
Saddest thing about this video is we probably won't ever get to see this game. It makes so much sense. North one year, south the next. It'd be unreal.
or even let the money men have there day in the sun - literally - and play in middle east
Hello ! May Allah protect and guide you to his light and happiness in this life and the hereafter, God bless, Ameen. Excuse me for giving a little presentation of Islam, because it is very misunderstood nowadays, especially on those « Antichrist's » times, where media and politics are mixed to distort history and truth. And terrorists (puppets of the Antichrist) who misinterpret verses, out of ignorance and political motivations, and take them out of historical context (just like radical atheists do by the way) don't help either. Thank you very much for your time.
First of all, if you have any questions regarding Islam and yourself, just open the Quran randomly, and you will find the answer in front of you, like a miracle and a sign from God.
Islam is an arabic word that means the Surrender to the One and Only God, our Creator, Protector, Provider, who gives us life and all that we have, we are safe and sound by his will and grace, we are His and to Him we return, and we have to thank him in this trial life by submitting to him by our free will, or later in the Day of judgment when it's too late to save our own skin. Islam was the original Religion descended to earth from heaven with Adam and Eve (peace and blessing be upon them) in the beginning of humanity. and was passed to people with the succession of the 124 000 prophets and 315 messengers of God to all nations and civilizations since, passing by Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ismaël, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, David, Solomon and Jesus (Peace and blessing be upon them) during the history of mankind, the last replaces and completes the previous, until the succession of the last messenger of God fourteen centuries ago, Muhammad (Peace and blessing be upon him) to complete the noble morals of all mankind, to bring humans and jinns out of darkness into light, and to purify people's religion and belief from corruption and polytheism, and return it to purity and true monotheism, like it was in the times of the prophets (Peace and blessing be upon them).
Many Religions that we know nowadays, at their beginning were true and under Islam, initiated by one of the prophets of God, but their original teachings, history and scriptures have been corrupted over time with falsification and polytheism, or lost and replaced with false ones. That's why Islam is the only Religion accepted by God nowadays, which consists in bearing witness that there is no god besides Allah (God in Aramaic, the original language of Jesus and the Gospel), and that Muhammad is His servant and messenger, just like Jesus and Moses and others are His servants and messengers. Never a messenger of God said he was God or literally son of God, it was the people after him who changed the words of God and corrupted the Religion. God is unique and absolute, He does not need to have a family and sons or to associate anyone else with His kingdom, He can simply create whatever He wants, everything belongs to Him, and to Him everything will return. Allah said in Surah Al-Mu’minun : “God has never begotten a son, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what it has created, and some of them would have gained supremacy over others. Glory be to God, far beyond what they describe. The Knower of the hidden and the manifest. He is exalted, far above what they associate. (91-92 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah means the one and only God, the God of all prophets and creatures, the creator of the universe and mankind, and the Master of the Day of judgment, where our destiny, Hell or Paradise, is decided based on our faith and deeds in this trial life, and above all, Allah's mercy.
Allah said in Surah Al-Ikhlas : In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Say, “He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none comparable to Him.” (1-4 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah said in Surah An-Nisa : O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ Jesus, son of Mary, was but God's Apostle - [the fulfilment of] His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, "[God is] a trinity". Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; utterly remote is He, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God. Never did the Christ feel too proud to be God's servant, nor do the angels who are near unto Him. And those who feel too proud to serve Him and glory in their arrogance [should know that on Judgment Day] He will gather them all unto Himself: (171-172 / Translated by Muhammad Asad).
Allah the Most Merciful said in Surah Ali-Imran : Behold, the only [true] religion in the sight of God is [man's] self-surrender unto Him; and those who were vouchsafed revelation aforetime took, out of mutual jealousy, to divergent views [on this point] only after knowledge [thereof] had come unto them. But as for him who denies the truth of God's messages - behold, God is swift in reckoning!
Thus, [O Prophet,] if they argue with thee, say, "I have surrendered my whole being unto God, and [so have] all who follow me!" - and ask those who have been vouchsafed revelation aforetime, as well as all unlettered people, "Have you [too] surrendered yourselves unto Him?" And if they surrender themselves unto Him, they are on the right path; but if they turn away - behold, thy duty is no more than to deliver the message: for God sees all that is in [the hearts of] His creatures.
Verily, as for those who deny the truth of God's messages, and slay the prophets against all right, and slay people who enjoin equity - announce unto them a grievous chastisement.
It is they whose works shall come to nought both in this world and in the life to come; and they shall have none to succour them.
(19-22 / Translated by Muhammad Asad)..
God said : Say, “We believe in Allah, and in what was revealed to us, and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and in what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We do not differentiate between any of them. And to Him, we surrender.”
(2:136 / Translated by Community)
Salam (Peace) ---------------------
I'm From South Africa I love Watching your Show Keep It Up. 🇿🇦🇿🇦
Me too...I never miss an "episode"
we've been asking for this, it would be huge. especially after the autumn nations where we saw how the southern hemisphere fans supported the other SH teams against the NH teams, so it would create a even bigger rivalry between the north and south
And will give an incentive to the low tier nations in both hemispheres to perform better at world level, so they'll be capped.
It's got potential to rival world cup viewership 🤑
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Endorsement deals galore. Players will start earning more because of it. Win/win
And will assist with globalization
This whole north/south rivalry seems mostly to happen in southern nations heads. The perspective of all-star teams from different countries clashing is definitely cool but this rivalry is clearly not strong enough in ppl's head other than southerners to base a championship on.
As long as World Rugby does not choose the teams!
Or the coaches...
Tim already picked the SH team...🙏 NH next
Ha Ha .... Good point ! Watta bunch of total arbs in ALL respects; especially as this lot continue to ruin the game we enjoy and love ... ! 😡💩🪰🖕
@@sakabula2357my thought was Not Rassie, otherwise "hulle Sal weet wat ons weet" & I don't want to share.
@gilliandawson6567 hope Nienies knows what he can and not tell them...I get what you are saying..hulle moet nooit weet wat ons weet nie
Thank you Tim - been watching since you were in your camper van in France 2023 - and you have kept my interest in rugby going with your enthusiasm and fair-handed assessment of the current state of the game. It also doesn't hurt that you see how good our current crop of Springboks are at the moment (and honestly, we in SA know how quickly that can slip away).
This makes so much more sense than a half arsed world cup copy!
There was a game like this before played on 5 March 2005 in Twickenham.
The South won 54 - 19. I will never forget how George Gregan and John Smith celebrated together at a time when they were both captains of their resepective nations. It is a great childhood memory.
I didn't know, very cool! Clearly there is precedent, so hopefully it can happen again 🙏
The downside is the dilution of international rugby. Test rugby then gets relegated to “ Tier 2 “
And there was also the Scotland/Ireland v Wales/England games going back a while. I think the last was 1980 for the Welsh ruby union centenary which was a fantastic game of open running rugby, with the great Andy Irvine's try the highlight. ruclips.net/video/gumEjYvP3Ac/видео.html
Smit* Smith was the 7 not the captain
@@dandreehlers9817 yes yes. Juan Smith vs John Smit. You know what I meant. Jeez.
excellent idea - but can we have Jérôme Daret as coach for the North?
Haha. Love it
Who??
good one!
😂😂😂😂
😂🤣
I think we should do an equivalent of the British and Irish Lions but with all the latin countries (maybe call them the legionnaires or something cool)
Best players from France, Italy and Argentina, Spain and Portugal. This would at times be mostly the French team but would be great to boost these new rugby country
Would be great I have a feeling the Southern Hemisphere teams would gel better together as they can mix styles well
I'm liking the Irish representation in that team, and the thought of them playing with legends like Dupont would be amazing. This would be epic. Fans from all over the world in one stadium. The atmosphere would be insane.
In a state of origin type format, e.g. hemisphere of origin not all the Irish picked would be eligible to play for the north.
@@markthompson7817 True. and a few of the French team too
The North would only have half their best players available😂😂@@markthompson7817
@@hankscorpion9939Meafou would be eligible for the south via New Zealand (place of birth) or Australia (place where he learned rugby). But what about Mauvaka? Technically born in the south but 100% french born and raised with no other nationality. Would he be eligible to play for the south under the french banner?
@@markthompson7817 Some people have played for both NSW and QLD, there's no rule on actual State of origin, Also the rule would be what hemisphere did you play your first international game for.
Great idea, would get a bit boring with the South spanking the North every year though 😂
Woah, I think we'd be pretty evenly matched. (Saying this from the south.) For me the biggest differences would be Ox tipping the balance of scrums with Etzebeth, PSDT and Ardie making the difference for the rest of the pack so the south would have an edge there.
Then I think Du Point and Ntamack plus Keenan would give the North a slight edge in terms of game management (even though Pollard would be crucial in balancing this out to an extent).
Would be such an awesome game though.
@christopherburke2082 Not sure it would be close at the moment, maybe several years from now, assuming Ireland and France continue getting stronger. It's hard to imagine the All Blacks, Springboks, Argentina, Fiji and Argentina losing to a combined NH team. Just picture Roigard and Mou'nga running a backline with
Kolbe and a few Fijian backs on a foundation laid by a forward pack with PSDT, Ardie, Eben, Lomax and Matera in it.
@@morapelimokokomali7907 A whole bunch of this years Rugby championship i looked at the pumas backline making so much out of rubbish and backfoot ball and thought wow, imagine if that backline was behind a springbok pack.
Actually, the North look a better team combined than they do individually
@Anotherperson-m5b Yes both sides have two very strong 15s. It's just that it looks like the South have an edge at the moment, only for now.
You've got my vote for this, Tim. It would be epic!
We ask for a yearly 2024 video highlight episode please pretty please. Highlight of 2024 from your viewpoint
I honestly some time think the coaches watch your videos and then pick their team! I'm pretty sure this will happen now that you have suggested it. Thanks for such awesome videos
The Man, The Myth, The Legend, The Tim does it again. I'm giving this idea the old chefs kiss. 👌
I'm hoping calling him 'The Tim' catches on!
Great idea.Referee to be no.1 ranked at the time.Depending on the season traditional rugby venues fine.Just nothing in to played in the Middle East.
Make it a series - every 4 years in between World Cups!
N vs S!
I would travel the other half of the world to see this.
It would be INCROYABLE !! Mon Dieu , that would be some game and what a brilliant idea to make the game even more popular . Merci Tim , can't wait for this one ......oh wait ....... it's just an idea . Come on the North !!
A North versus South fixture or series has been under discussion since the 1990s - can you guess which union has been blocking it?
That’s right - HQ…
😅😂😂😂 the thought alone must be completely demoralizing for them 😅
I love this Tim... your perspectives, views, insights are fabulous... the rugby world is your oyster, and your oyster is our pearl... thank you for your wonderful, intelligent energy within a sport that deserves nothing less
Like your way of thinking out of the box a'la Rassie style.
You were a brave man coming to Edinburgh after that video, Cocker! 🤣
Dempsey, Russell, Tuipolotu, Jones, VdM and Graham had very good shouts (not that you were necessarily wrong, but they were underrepresented).
5 or 6 player cap from each country for North and South. Then make Rassie and Scott to coach the South and Andy and Borthwick for the North. What a showdown it would be
Not Borthwick, not ever!
@josephmcgrath3952 true but he might just learn from Andy...
why not galthie
@subbie5498 I think he is a brilliant coach and has definitely made huge strides with the French team. As a solo coach sure but I don't see him being able to work with another coach. Him being such a perfectionists, he most likely will clash head's with another coach. Just my opinion.
Because its Andy Farrell@@subbie5498
Tim, you have my vote, both for the game as well as for „Rugby President“!!! 👍😅😅😅
Love the idea Tim. But World Rugby need to keep their noses out of it. Give rugby back to the fans and the players.
World Rugby are ruining the game. Must play rugby league because allegedly (emphasis) we all bored to tears because it took 2 minutes to set the scrum rather than 40 seconds
Loving your dig on coach of the year!
Southern team
1. Nche
2. Taylor
3. Malerhbe
4. Etzebeth
5. Barret
6. Du toit
7. Savea
8. Valentini
9. Roigaard
10. Pollard
11. Clarke
12. De Allende
13. Chocobares
14. Colbe
15. Jordan
16. Marx
17. Bell
18. Lomax
19. Snyman
20. Satiti
21. Williams
22. B. Barret
23. Kriel
Def not Barrett at 5 - please! Yellow card Barrett! It has to be Mostert!
I would love to see David Niniashvili in the Northern team. Absolute beast for Georgia. He definitely deserves a spot.
As an irish fan, I'd have to say the scottish 10-15 have all put there hands up - Huw Jones is just Class
As a Scot it was baffling how none of the backs bar Russell even got a mention, let alone a spot on the bench!
As a rugby fan for almost 70 years, this is something I have often dreamt about! My selection of the Southern Hemisphere was quite straightforward as I am a South African and assumed that seven players from each of Australia,New Zealand & South Africa would make up the south side ( it depended on the number of subs allowed, which seemed to change quite often). But, of course, we do now have to consider the likes of Argentina, Fiji, Tonga & Samoa as well! Thanks Tim for putting it out there and let,s see it happen before I shed this mortal coil! (I am 75 years old presently)
Good call Tim. Maybe you don't know this, but during the apartheid era when SA couldn't play international rugby, every year there was a North v South game between the local provinces. Believe it was Transvaal, N.Transvaal, Orange free state v western province, natal and eastern province. It was widely watched and anticipated so the concept works. A international version would be that 1000x.
NZ allblacks selection used to always follow on from a north island vs south island game.
As a south africna, this game would be amazing and I am both very proud and very pleased with the amount of green and gold in the team, as well as who the coach for the south is. Well done Tim, another great video.
Man, Tim, you've just gone and done it again. I'd LOVE to see this game happen. It would be absolutely LEGENDARY. Obviously as a Saffa my money's on the Southern Hemisphere team honestly. I'm a bit surprised by your Uruguayan choice, however, I've seen enough of you to know you have a trustworthy judgement, especially since I haven't watched a Uruguayan game this year.
I'm absolutely betting on the Mad Genius Rassie Erasmus and the Southern Hemisphere Traditional power and skill to win the game, especially with all the fine choices you've made for the Southern Hemisphere team. The Northern Hemisphere team would put on one hell of a show and challenge no doubt, however, The Southern Hemisphere By One point is what I'm betting, just so that the rest of the South can learn what it's like to be a Saffa 😂😂😂
Thank you
Santi Arata plays in the French league and is AMAZING. And right up with the best. That league has so many incredible scrum halves in - Dupont, Reinach, Le Garrec, Serin, Lucu etc - and Arata stands out.
I've been wanting to see this match for ages!! Great selections!!!
It would be epic.
Get this fixture at Johannesburg FNB stadium and we'll pack 94,237 fans in there.
No one wants to go to Johannesburg
If you can promise none of that awful DJ "music" every two minutes...you have a deal. 😉
@@clydebear6914 Let him cook 😜😂🍻
@clydebear6914 you wanna hear Swing Low every 2minutes? Or Allez le Blues every 2 minutes?
@@mv4770Y E S 🗿
This is a great idea. Choose the 2 coaches and assistant coaches first and leave it to them to choose the teams. But yes, you have just put together two mindblowing teams!
Joshua Tuisova has to be in there so we'll make an exception and call it a 24 man squad. 👍
Yeah and what happened to Botia? He almost single handedly won La Rochelle a European Cup last year..
This would be terrific to see. It would be an absolutely massive spectacle. I have heard in the past that this sort of thing is not possible due to contractual agreements players have with unions, but rugby needs this. It would be massive. 3 matches every two years, North versus South.
I am more into a Latin (Fr, It, Arg, Prtgl) vs Anglophones test. It wouldn't be as unbalanced as it may seem.
That would be very cool too!
Love this idea Tim. Let’s make it happen! Personally I think it should be in the alternative years between the world cups and Lions tours and after the end of the year tour. So as follows: world cup year, followed by North V South year, followed by the Lions tours year, followed by North V South year followed by the World Cup year … and repeat. Games played in alternative hemispheres every 2 years. Bring it on ! 💪🏻
Amazing idea. Have fantasized about it before. Kind of like the all star game in the NBA. Also, can't believe you didn't even consider Tuipulotu, Jones or Kinghorn, Tim! I'd have either Ramos or Kinghorn in ahead of Keenan as both can goal kick and cover multiple positions
Love watching your show.greetings from the bomb squate south africa 😂
So this did actually happen, a couple of times. It is called Rugby Aid and has its own Wikipedia page.
So the first match happened in 2005 (I think it was played at Twickenham) as a fundraiser for the victims of the 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami and featured a North vs South matchup, which was won by the South by 54-19. Some big stars were in there for the South, like Schalk Burger, John Smit, George Gregan, Phil Waugh, Tana Umaga, Chris Latham, Andrew Mehrtens etc.
The North... Fielded a much less star studded team, with Lawrence Dallaglio being the only name that casual fans will probably remember.
So the match drew 40,000 attendees, which is not that great. This, along with the fact that the North didn't want to risk their big stars made this a difficult fixture that was going to struggle in terms of feasibility.
The second one was in 2011 and I believe it was for the benefit of the Japanese earthquake and tsunami and the resulting Fukushima disaster. Again, the South won, by a score of 36-22. This time though, the lineups were far less star studded, with the biggest names being some retirees like Joe Roff ans Justin Marshall. This match didn't even draw 30k at Twickenham and as far as I'm aware, that was the last time anything of the sort was attempted.
The difficulty (and unwillingness) to release club stars for this fixture was always going to be make it challenging, but the lack of fan support was really disappointint. 40,000 fans in Twickenham for a star studded team is not a great return.
For that reason, I see the same type of issues plague a potential third match. France/Toulouse would for instance probably not release Dupont, Ramos and Jalibert, while Leinster, the Sharks and the Stormers will probably not want to release RG Snyman, Eben Etzebeth and Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu.
Its a fun thought experiment, but unfortunately the reality is a nightmare.
This would be incredible and I’ve often tho don’t why it doesn’t happen!
3 tests every 2/3 years would be phenomenal!
"Jessie Kriel, muscle tone of a chimp" should be up there with your other sayings like "Nick Kennedy, Mom's an author", "Jack Willis, sister's a midwife" 😆
😅😂😂😂😂
A great idea Tim and your picks are reasoned and pretty spot on. First things first, eligibility. If you were to base it on state of origin, then it would be best to base it on hemisphere of origin. That would mean a few of your picks Tim would be ineligible to play for the north. It takes the big money contracts out of the equation.
in Tim's selection, out of the french players, only meafou isn't french-born and then would be selected in the south team via New Zealand (place of birth) or Australia (place where he learned rugby). But what about Mauvaka. He is 100% french (born and raised) with no other nationality. Would he be selected for the south under the french banner?
Tim, Great idea!
Thank you Tim for great channel. I really like to see a SA vs Barbarians game. I think it could be a sell out.
Tim Coetzee strikes again
Tim Ndlovu
We've been asking for this. Thank you Tim
The Autumn Internationals are currently sitting at 11- 10 in favour of the NH, with only Ireland v Australia left to play, Australia have a chance to draw the series in Dublin, but more likely it will be a 12-10 victory to the NH.
That's very different to what Tim is talking about son
North lost all the big matches except for France over NZ. And they’re all home games. How does the north do when they tour SA/NZ?
July series was very much south dominated. I think 12-10 away from home is amazing for the south
@pauljansen6650 Sorry dad, didn't realise there were rules in the comments section, although NH v SH results are relevant to the topic.
@@sportsdictionary590 In the July tests the games that were SH v NH the NH won 9 - 7
Amazing idea. But it would have to be a 3 game series and a group of 30 players each and played alternatively N and S. Box office !!
Been saying this for years now. Years.
Side note. The amount of Southern Hemisphere players in the Northern team is...well it's lovely to see😊
Would love to see this. Personally, I think the Southern team is superior.
That would be so awesome! And yes, often fantasised about it :)
To make it advantageous to world rugby, it would need to be more inclusive, perhaps a quota system of players from tier 2 nations, or a tier 2 nation competition that plays simultaneously, and the aggregate scores rule
I thought about that, but thought it would diminish the achievement of being selected.
Like the idea of a tier two nation curtain raiser, as long as tier two players can still be selected for the top squad.
Awesome concept and would love to see these two teams play against each other
You can also have a "rest of the world 15" vs "the world cup champs" every 4 years, the year after a world cup.
World Champs can't even beat Ireland what hope do they have against Ireland and the pick of the rest of the world.
@@Camcolito yet Ireland lost to the team the World Champs beat twice this year. so much for your Ireland team, cant even beat the no 3 side at their own home stadium, shame.
@@stanedgie5910 And we have a bite! 😂
@@Camcolito because your too ignorant to ignore a good bit of roasting. And your iq about rugby is your shoe size, there is that too.
the main problem with that is the world cup team would probably lose every time. e.g SA's wc run they only won by a point in the last 3 games, one of them being against a 14 man nz team. So i would say even just out of france, england and nz you can make a team that could beat sa. And if sa don't win the wc then it becomes even easier to beat the wc winning team
I totally agree
Brilliant idea and two very good teams you chose
Play this game every 18 months and alternate between playing in the north and south. The put it on a pay per view basis of a £10 per house and £100 for a pub. Not via sky etc but direct with world rugby if you want a money spinner
Ahhh...18 months, Ashes style. Like that
Great analogy comparing this idea to State of Origin Tim. I’ve started to watch Rugby League just because I saw some highlights of this years State of Origin series. The intensity of the games and the fact that the teams are a mixture of players from the various NRL teams makes it special along with the eligibility rules. Rugby Union needs to find money spinning ideas and North vs South is about as good as it gets.
The one thing I would say, again linking this idea back to origin, the teams need to have an ideal split of nations in the team, even if it arguably weakens them. For example a fairly even distribution of SA, NZ, Aus and Arg in the Southern hemisphere team. That way it doesn’t just represent the strongest nation at that time, which is obviously South Africa at the moment. That should be the case with the Northern hemisphere team as well. You could easily switch out one of Aki or Ringrose for Tuipolotu or Jones and EFW for Lowe, just to bring some balance.
As if Private Equity will do anything other than suck the vibrancy, uniqueness and what makes it special.
Private Equity is at total variance with our sport. Just because the Brits are broke, they would sell the rest of us out to PE - Do you know what happens if they don't make 8-15% PA? They will disassemble and liquidate it without remorse.
My nightmare is the crass destructive influence of rampant commercialization that kills it's spontaneity and then stutters financially. It's bad news, and will destroy our game.
Glaring omissions for me are 12. Tuipulotu 13. Huw Jones. For me, they're stronger than Irish centres. And then I'd just link them with Finn. (And I'm English, not Scottish 😂)
Love the idea of beating the North!
Love the idea of beating the South
@@josephmcgrath3952Just SA and NZ combined would thrash the North
Enjoy your idea.
What about left handers vs right handers..
9/10 pairing for the North is incredible, best chuckle brothers in word rugby imo
We did it in 2005 in aid of the Tsunami victims. Southern team smashed the Northern one
We'll do it again, but this time in aid of all the South Africans still struggling from heart problems from the 2023 World Cup 😂😂😂
Yeah nearly 20 years ago. The rugby landscape has changed since Australia South Africa and New Zealand were at the top now it’s a top five and all of them are capable of beating each other.
@@thenomad47 Or we could just do it in aid of all the South Africans struggling from living in South Africa.
@@SMacCuUladh On second thought, it would seem like spending it on therapists for thr Irish who are still salty about their usual predictable Quarter Final exit would be better. We can cover our own Medical costs, seems like you guys can't however
@@thenomad47 or give 69c to @Camcolito for his coping medication.
This is such a good pitch! I love the Lions, but you may be right, it does feel like it may have had its day, or perhaps it needs to be planned differently… the Northern v Southern hemisphere carries a similar high adrenaline factor that would definitely draw a helluvan audience - especially if we could do it twice in the year? One venue in each hemisphere!!!!
No way we can sacrifice the Lions for this. It’s too historic and amazing to call off.
Nah screw the lions tour
We have wanted this for years. Northern Lions vs Southern Lions to replace the traditional B&I Lions tour.
For us southerners it would be amazing to have a combined team of the best Boks, ABs, Wallabies, Pumas, Pacific Islanders.
A 3 match series so we can try multiple different combinations of players.
Your selections are fire! Honestly would give my left testicle for this competition to be a thing
3 game series
1 in main stadium of rugby championship winners
1 in main stadium of rugby championship winners
1 in rugby developing nation alternating north/south each time (eg Georgia one year then Uruguay the next)
If it’s just one game, then it must always be played in a rugby developing nation
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Zim 🇿🇼
USA 🇺🇸
Portugal 🇵🇹
Namibia 🇳🇦
First 4 hosts
If the idea is to make money from this, then it should be in the biggest stadium with the biggest rugby crowd, which, realistically, is probably Twickenham or Ellis Park.
It’s a nice idea to have it in a tier 2 country, but kinda defeats the purpose.
@@ColinGrealyFNB stadium is the biggest in the world. Capacity of almost 95000. Twickenham capacity is 80000. Ellis Park is only 62500. Far less than the other two.
@ I was thinking specifically rugby stadia (FNB is football?) but either way it needs to be a big stadium in a tier 1 country.
Rob V has been phenomenal this year. Even Schalk Burger picked him in his team.
Yes, yes and yes, make it happen already!
Cogently argued, beyond the instant rugby-lover appeal ;) Hugely brave call on the BI Lions! That's going to ruffle a few feathers 😅
Also, thanks for the tip-off on Santiago Arata. Haven't been able to watch any of the Uruguay games this season, so gonna go and find some replays.
Good idea! Couple of notes: Willys not playing for a "not so great" England team is not missing on being not at top competition when he plays for Toulouse and wins the French Top 14 and Euro Cup. Second, Thomas Ramos is I think the best kicker Worldwide right now plus his bond with DuPont and N'Tamac is amazing to watch. I am from Toulouse obviously.
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How has this not happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????
100%
This would be the pinnacle of rugby!
My North v South 23 man teams:
North:
1. Cyrille Baille
2. Dan Sheehan
3. Zander Fagerson
4. Maro Itoje
5. Thibaud Flament
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Josh Van der Flier
8. Gregory Aldritt
9. Antoine Dupont (C)
10. Finn Russell
11. Duhan Van der Merwe
12. Sione Tuipulotu
13. Gary Ringrose
14. Damien Penaud
15. Blair Kinghorn
16. Peato Mauvaka
17. Andrew Porter
18. Uni Antonio
19. Joe Macarthy
20. Sam Underhill
21. Jamieson Gibson Park
22. Romain Ntmack
23. Tomaso Menoncello
South:
1. Ox Nche
2. Bongi Mbonambi
3. Frans Malherbe
4. Eben Etzebeth
5. RG Snyman
6. Siya Kolisi(C)
7. Pieter Steph Du Toit
8. Ardie Savea
9. Cam Roigard
10. Richie Mo’ounga
11. Cheslin Kolbe
12. Damien De Allende
13. Jessie Kriel
14. Mark Telea
15. Will Jordan
16. Julian Montoya
17. Vincent Koch
18. Tyrell Lomax
19. Scott Barrett
20. Wallace Sititi
21. Faf de Klerk
22. Handre Pollard
23. Beauden Barrett
Andrew Porter is a loose head prop. Dan Sheehan will work though.
No way you choose Itoje over Meafu...
Nah this list needs some Australians and more argentians and Australians and why does Ben Earl get so disrespected
No hooker, Doris not even on the bench hilarious could easily have been WPOY, Porter so good he's both playing and on the bench. Too many Scots, Duhan a liability.
Kolbe is typically 14 , Kurt-Lee Arendse best 11 by miles
That southern hemisphere back row would be absolutely unbelievable to watch play together.
Team of south
1. Ox
2. Marx
3. Lomax
4. Eben
5. Skelton
6. Sititi
7. Du toit
8. Savea
9. Williams
10. Pollard
11. Talea
12. Dallende
13. Saaulii
14. Kolbe
15. Wright
16. Taylor
17. De groot
18. Malherbe
19. Snyman
20. Kolisi
21. Riogard
22. Barret
23. Kriel
Argentina is in the Southern Hemisphere. Not a single Argie?
@SuperEdge67 argentina Fullback is amazing ,what his name
Awww Tim, you welshed out (pun intended) on giving an opinion on who would win, personally, I think the South would edge it.
What about a N vs S tournament. Have a mens 15 game, a womens 15 game and a 7's mens and womens game all on one day. That would break all viewing records!
Great idea Tim! I'd hate to see The British & Irish Lions tours scrapped, and I reckon you've nailed it: play a one-off N vs. S match at the end of the Autumn Nations Series while all the international players are up north anyway? This will need time to bed itself down but with good marketing and a decent broadcast deal, it could grab the imagination. Well played.
Or as I found out as I climbed the rugby ladder, my game got easier when I didn’t have to support players of less quality in my team. Some players stand out more as they progress up the ladder, some less.
Don't hold your breath. WR don't know what they're doing.
What an annual game this would be!!! I would love to see a combined Bok and NZ team!!!
How are Russell and DVM not even picked.
Duhan great for highlight reels against average teams. Much like Russell actually.
Awesome eggchaser you are agreat commentator keep up the goodnews😊
I think Finn Russell needs to get more credit as the best fly half in the world
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@ did I say something funny
@@Calan-cm8sg sorry thought you were joking
@@ConorOLeary-rl4bs not a joke best fly half in the world
@Calan-cm8sg ill admit he's good. Better than pollard though? I don't think so. He's one of the better play makers out there but we'll never see him winning a world cup or six nations. Let alone a SH vs NH. Has he even won a lions tour? It's a hard metric to judge on since it's a team sport but he still hasn't been able to make an individual difference on the field, that can win his team the big accolades. (By comparison SA doesn't win the world cup QF and SF without pollard making that individual difference)
This would be epic . A three test series every 2 years .
5 year cycle.
Year 1 = World cup
Year 2 = B&I lions tour + summer tour. (Invitational tours)
Year 3 = Rugby Championship & 6 Nations.
Year 4 = Hemosphere Cup (North v South).
Year 5 Nations Cup.
1 tournament every 5 years, yet full time rugby.
Tim, build it and they will come!!!!
But Russie has to be the coach. ???
😂 love this!
What a great video!!! That question has been asked . 3 test 1 in the south 1 up north and one in middle east if your looking for pay off .one month duration. Cut the October series.
Tim, the North would be embarrassed completely dominanted
Dream on 🤣
me when I lie
New Zealand lost to France this year
South Africa and Argentina lost to Ireland
Australia lost to Scotland
They’re not invincible by any means
@@edconway8599 Argentina lost to France too
We use to have this South Africa in the apartheid years and it was great the northern provinces vs the south we'll SARU had to improvise those years cause we didn't play any international rugby
Love the fact u included Uruguay #9! Georgian fullback would be great too to really get the teir 2 into it :)
Reflection on the poor inconsistant picks at 9 all over. There's a big chasm at 9 after Dupont and Gibson-Park.