Those that hear Peterson directly probably already believe in this woo. If it's the first time you're hearing this woo you're going to have a harder time understanding it.
graphicism Everything he says is the truth. The people saying they won't fall for his beliefs probably call transsexuals which ever gender they think they are. "Sure I'll call billy Debra from now on, but I won't bend reality to believe Jordan Peterson". The truth is hard to swallow but that doesn't make it not true. It's a lot easier to say orange man bad than actually look into things and admit you might be wrong about things.
@@BiggestRedditor Well you're inadvertently admitting a confirmation bias, which is fine, but you only serve to prove my point regarding those that "follow" Peterson. You shouldn't say "Everything he says is the truth" because again, his words speak to you. Peterson confirms your bias. Further he talks about the medias-narrative, which as far as I am concerned is all fake news for the gullible public. He picks that up and runs with it, as if there is a kid around every corner wanting to be considered a Panda bear. To reiterate, if you didn't watch TV and keep up with the so called NEWS, you wouldn't know what what he was talking about most of the time. I'm being silly now, but imagine if someone spoke elegantly and poignantly about the Simpsons, how would you feel? And that is perhaps somewhere I reside in regards to Peterson.
I love that man so much. He’s not old enough to be my dad but I watch his videos to fill the dad void and it helps so much. He doesn’t only help men. Women need this too.
He reminds me so much of my Dad. The way he looks, the intelligence and deep spiritual insight on things such as scripture; along with the kind of pain he has suffered and the weight of that. I think that’s one of the reasons he connects to me so much.
I think he would say that he represents old tradition and information that those not suits into a new reality. Not that it is wrong but it is incomplete and insuficient, and the way to deal with that is by having Pinocchio, the new and the reformist, to rescue it and give it a new shape and form.
This animosity towards JP is really weird. But what else to expect in a world where taking responsibility for oneself and one's actions is akin to suicide.
@@MastaSmack well shit man, existence isn't exactly the easiest thing out there, but what other alternative do you have? Might make the most out of it, even if your "most" isn't what society considers "the most". Fuck it, your life, your terms, as long as you're happy, awesome.
@@DeJake depends on what your major is there's b.a. psych and b.s.c psych...as much as people want to suggest that stuff is science I don't believe it's nearly the same as classical science.
No offense but Joe is a professional interviewer. It’s his job to be quiet and ask questions that will drive the conversation forward.. when you have someone like Jordan Peterson speaking, there’s not much you need to do to get the maximum amount of information out of his mouth.
What he means as far as I can tell, you do something new, let's say something you're afraid of. For example socializing or talking to women. You use exposure therapy to slowly build up your social skills with women and then you incorporate what you learned and turn it into a skill. So now there's more to you since you learned a new skill. The other thing is biologically speaking, if you put yourself in a new situation your genes code for new proteins that unlock your hidden potential. Think of it as, you unlocking new upgrades or hidden software to your body you didn't realize you had. And the ancestral father which is you in a sense, rescuing yourself from the belly of the whale. You are the product of the people that made you, and the people that made you are kind of hidden in you. You have hidden potential in your genes biologically and like your ancestors can access the genes that gave them strength to live long and thrive. But all that hidden potential isn't going to develop unless you stress yourself. There's something very spiritual yet scientific about all this.
+ShadowniteALX 2 If you haven't already, I highly encourage you to search a similar subject of "the bicameral mind". It touches similarly on the aspect of ancestral Jungian hidden identities / abilities in our psyche, with a focus on the correlation between religious experiences and the surprisingly recent merging of the left and right brain over the last few thousand years. +NexusVoid's channel covers it spectacularly
You are not wasting your time. The unpleasent experience of wasting your time is exactly what will propel you towards achieving your potential. Just continue facing these terrifying feelings and it will sort itself out.
Every system of mass dysfunction/immorality that I've dedicated my life to leaving behind completely matches the systems that ruined my father's life. I didn't do this on purpose, I just noticed this recently. As I see it, JBP's view on this metaphor is looking at the nature of inheritance. I inherited the existence of my parents. This is powerful to recognize that we all participate in a bigger picture, and that bigger picture is made up of simultaneously independent events and chain reactions, and they influence each other and clash and combine. So to do with this life something meaningful that helps people and improves life is caring for this life that was given to you by your parents. But JBP goes deeper and looks at the deep observation, self-reflection that is like an intensive meditation, that brings you to see things differently, and confronts you with everything your father could not save himself from.
Im 30 years old and my dad just suddenly passed away at 68 3 days ago and I’ve watched this video probably 30 times. It makes me feel so much better. Gives me strength and understanding when i need it. Thanks JP
People in the comments seem confused, i totally understand what he meant. He basically saying "you" have potential but you wont unlock that potential by do the same thing. Open up and challenge yourself it make you better
graphicism idiot is a big word to use for someone when you don't even know what he's talking about. How can an idiot help out so many people? I guess you're the smart guy here 😂 dumbass.
@@superllama5509 no he is just explaining the phycological and philosophical aspects of lessons you think are simplistic but in reality are profound and complex. It is important that he does so because many but primarily post modernist of been able castigate old ideas as simplistic and lacking philosophical weight, The left has managed to monopolise modern philosophy. These old ideas he talks about where once complex and deep but they are old and being widely accepted where simplified and concentrated to easily digestible forms because the discussion was over. Now the discussion is back and there are new seemingly complex and interesting ideas compared to the old ones that have been condensed for convenience and those old ideas need to be unpacked and more thoroughly understood.
@@whitepeoplergullible9241 also, these aren't supposed to be individual abstractions, rather "Jungian" archetypes that exist in much the same form in all of us. Therefore it's more of a process of recognizing these abstract and cultural references to guide your abstract thinking towards the answers our culture has found for these issues, rather than every individual having their own completely original abstraction. Which wouldn't be very useful, tbh.
"If you can face the malevolence and you can face the suffering then that opens the door to your maximal potential, and then the optimistic part of that is, and this is why it's so useful to peer into the darkness let's say, the optimistic part of that is that although the suffering is great and the malevolence is deep, your capacity to transcend it is stronger."
For real bro. When the analogy clicked in my head it gave me that exact same feeling you get when you make an astonishing realisation on LSD or shrooms. I think its because it resonates so much with our souls and with knowledge that is dormant in our minds passed onto us by our forefathers as a blueprint to thrive in this world. We just unlocked a little of that sacred knowledge and the weird psychedelic feeling we get from that is confirmation.
If u want to take the red pill of all red pills watch Peterson’s podcast with the author of the immortality key. Psychedelics, Christ, underworld, death, transformation, is all embedded in a underlying reality on which consciousness operates, then tie in Peterson’s hypothesis on sexual selection in humans for the manifestation of logos, the hair on arms start to stand. It’s like what the fuck is going on here?
I believe on my heart that my purpose in life after my family is to be the head of the Speer that puts an end to fatherless children. It has to start somewhere and I’ve already started.
Wow just WOW how Jordan Peterson can explain so articulately yet staying on subject by breakdown a point of view. I so do enjoy his lectures on RUclips.
My dad died in February. Sometimes I feel like I’m rescuing my father from things he left unfinished so that I can prove to the world that he was a good and honorable man.
An outlier for this theory would be people with stress related mental disorders that are dependent on public funded healthcare. Plenty of opportunity to encounter human malevolence whether it be from other patients or staff. I don't see them being supercharged potential machines. Sometimes a wall isn't a challenge. It's just a wall.
It's like when Rodimus Prime short-circuited himself so his life force could enter the Matrix of Leadership and speak to Optimus and all the Primes that came before him.
@@danl7442 what part of: "through struggle and striving to make an impact in the world through self mastery you unlock your true genetic potential" don't you understand?
@@TheMindofRa it doesnt make sense because literally anybody can follow that and make themselves relevant to become that importance in their own mind. Thats a very liberal route.
@@GrassTalk4202 did you really come to a JP segment on a podcast let alone to a comment section to be non-political? Congratulations. You just won the naive darwin award.
Did Jesus (Son) rescue the Father (God) from the belly of the whale (mankind’s denial of God and the evil and wickedness that comes with such denial)? I respect JBP, but seems like he over complicated this.
4:53 "so this idea of saving someone who is very important to you, risking your life to save someone who's important to you maximizes your potential as a human being?" ehHH s'high
Imagine having this dude as a father figure since birth, or at least as long as you can remember. We all could benefit from that kind of relationship/mentorship
When I see a comment about Peterson being a hack charlton I start trying to find out if it's a an alt right, white supremacists or a leftist but then I give up because it's so hard to tell the difference.
The Great Damiano Nah. Peterson rambles incoherently relatively often. That isn’t to say that he isn’t a very intelligent guy with great insight on several occasions, but even as a fan I can recognize that he can get pretty off base on certain topics.
@@thegreatdamiano8565 Peterson's arguments are surface level and easy to understand. Which is why he has to add so much mythology to everything he says to capture the imagination of dim witted incels.
Thanks for putting this clip up on RUclips - I was searching for it as I wanted to listen to this particular idea again - but forgot which talk with Joe Rogan it was on. I have never read so many negative comment about Dr Peterson on a RUclips clip before - he certainly hit a nerve. I guess what we cannot understand we always think is stupid - ( CG Jung said that that. )
so interesting to think that if you're someone who is gradually overturning their suffering through growth, that pain/pressure that you're relinquishing or transforming is the weight of your "cross" that you're bearing
I was playing Gears of War 5 the other day and theres a part where you are literally rescuing your father from the belly of the beast, and as i played i could picture JP sitting there nodding his head saying "Yes, thats exactly right!" xD
@@BD-yl5mh I think he would find issue with spending all day every day gaming to escape from real life responsibilities more than a playing for a couple of hours here and there to relax.
@@St3v3z you’re probably right, I just want to reiterate I didn’t really mean it as that much of a dig though man. I just imagined Dr P sitting next to you playing video games and thought “here’s what he might say” It was like a little comedy vignette in my head, don’t stress
It's like Crossfit for the psyche, constantly changing the workout to maximize overall fitness. I was a coach before it got big, and the analogy is perfect. Almost everyone has a physical ability that is above average in one realm or a certain movement, and that is easy to see in Olympians. But in CF, we didn't only do what we like, we had so much variety that one person could be the bad-ass one day, and be beat by a hundred pound girl the next. And the breakdown of strengths and weaknesses is what a femi-nazi might say is culturally imposed standards. No, men are stronger, faster, and more powerful. Women are typically more agile, flexible, have better endurance at medium stress tasks, and have way better balance. Of course men love the bench-press day, but if I didn't make them get faster on their pull-ups, or push them to gain flexibility in their upper body, they'd never see the potential of having strength AND the mobility to maximize that strength. And in women, if I didn't push them to handle a little more weight on their deadlift, then they could still roll out box jumps like Tigger, but wouldn't gain the strength to go a little higher on the box. This is probably going to save my life, because I did look into the abyss, and have searched for a way out for 4 years. All I needed this whole time was a man to tell me that it was brave to choose to look. I remember when I decided to follow the thread of betrayal, and it unraveled me as I unraveled it. I will never be the same. But, at least now, I feel like there was a meaning, and when I decided to suffer for the truth, it was right, even if it has destroyed me. At least I had the courage. I love Jordan Peterson. He is a good man. I wish my son would watch him, but we all know 17 year old men won't listen to mom's choice of anything. The dummy. And most women hate him! WTF?
I know this is a 4years ago comment but I wanted to tell you this is all common sense that I figured out when I was 17 so idk what y’all older generations lived if y’all didn’t figure this until late in life, like y’all were dead alive fr I’m not even joking
I was doing things while watching this so it didn’t have my full attention and I honestly haven’t fully gotten it. Essentially it sounds like a highly metaphorical way of saying you need to challenge yourself to grow. But taking it a little more literally, is is actually about defeating whatever defeated your father? That is to say that I recognise in my parents relationship, that I think my dad settled and got stuck with an unreasonable woman. I think he appreciated being needed but I think he gave up too much for that. That is not to outright admonish my mother, but I do wonder if my father secretly wishes he had an out. That being said, I fell into a relationship that was frighteningly reminiscent of theirs in my early 20s. Was in it for over 3 years, and then finally found the strength to break out of it (having known since about the 6 month mark I wasn’t happy). I honestly think I wasn’t far from being broken and just going along with marriage and kids and whatever. But I couldn’t break out without seeing my dad in a new light. I now wouldn’t consider myself a MGTOW or anything, but I think I’ve determined that I need to work myself out first, and that I will never give up as much of myself as I was willing to originally, and in a way that will be a lesson learn, almost in my fathers stead. Is this in anyway related to what JP is saying here? The fact is, in many ways I lag desperately behind my father, so I still have many obstacles laid out in front of me to overcome and manifest a better self but in some ways this felt like a critical lesson for me to learn that my father didn’t
Clinical psychology is largely disheartening so why not write a self help book? Because business 101 . Competition and target audience my force you to talk nonsense but he's seated in front of an honest business man so alas he's talking sense now. Yet the world has access to his video record and there's hours of the shit. I feel sorry for him.
I understand this and move the input from his lectures talking about Pinocchio. Where I got lost in this one is how we start as puppets and become real beings. I think it’s a bit of the opposite. We start out free and wanting to take risk, and then society through indoctrination tells us what we can, and can’t do, and we become shells of what we could be.
Is there a Jordan Peterson figure for women? You know, one that's actually useful (cough cough not oprah or wendy williams cough). More specifically, for lesbians lol
Peterson always talks about evil and malevolence as if it is some external thing. Evil exists in us all. Facing the evil uncle takes place as an internal battle with our own nature.
Not the only Disney film to explore that..... In the finale of The Little Mermaid, Ariel puts her life at risk and selflessly saves her father from becoming the Sea-witch's slave, after having initially defied him, making the selfish choice and unintentionally putting him in the dangerous situation to begin with. "I love you daddy!" Her last line in the film! Always brings a year to my eye.
Peterson is playing this off like this is his own idea. Carl Jung wrote about this in his Psychology of the Unconscious, and even then he references Leo Frobenius who mapped the night sea journey. These are great ideas, but don't act like they are yours.
If someone ever asks me what my favorite RUclips video is, it’s this one. Because of this video, I’m finally meeting my dad for the first time in 8 years on Sunday. I’m not going to save him or some shit but I’m going to try a little bit to make things better with some education on how his shitty dad is why he was what he was.
I understand completely what Jordan is saying. He is describing the same idea that is in the movie Fightclub. The idea that something inside us awakens when we fight in a street fight where we put our life at risk and where we must search within our souls some strength in order to survive and beat our rival.
@@superllama5509 You do realize that a text can be interpreted in multiple ways and you don't need to tell everyone how to interpret just because you've watched one wisecrack video, right?
Joe you need to rename this clip! I was almost NOT going to watch it because of the title and then was like... It's got Jordan Peterson so ya... I'll give it a watch... and the sheer brilliance of this man to unlock the secrets of our lives is unprecedented! His words unlock the crypt with the treasure! Like you Joe... I sit in silence when Jordan talks because he is absolutely mind blowing! "Challenging Yourself to Find Your Maximum Potential" or "Why Facing Your Fears Frees You" or "Doing the Scary Thing is Scary but Confronting Your Fears Opens Your Vault" or "You Need Pain to Grow" I'm gonna watch it again right now!
by Jordan Peterson's sudden expertise on behavioral genetics, Black people, gays and people living in the poorest areas would have more fully expressed genetic potential than your average middle class white person...... wut? Jordan, your dogma reinforces old cliches. Give up your conservative dadaism
Don L to me it sounded more like an individual who pushes themselves would experience the genetic material he spoke of. Not one who’s accustomed to their poorer surroundings
Well Shu I agree with your characterization. I forgot to include the word "stress" because that's what JP used. the "stress" of new situations would unlock this genetic potential or more fully expressed self. I got to equating stress with poverty because of studies showing that poverty causes higher amounts of cortisol and even conditions known as cptsd (chronic ptsd). I think it's important not to wax over what it is that builds our ability for success. saying it's stress that unlocks our genetics isn't really justified. the right amount of it is helpful, too much? then what?
He is not talking about saving parents, he is talking about your inner potential. When he says "father" he is talking about all your ancestors before you, locked in your genetic code.
Malevolence is the quality of causing or wanting to cause harm. Jordan is trapped inside of decisions he made as a boy looking from the prerational and dependent perspective of a boy. Jordan's father persistently behaved as if his own feelings are very relevant and Jordan's feelings are irrelevant. As a strategy to honor his father and to try to relieve an impossible predicament, Jordan limited and distorted his perception to make his father's behavior appear justified, righteous and immutable. Subordinate to these decisions and limited and distorted perception, Jordan cannot focus his attention on the causes and effects of human behavior. Jordan is preoccupied with pretending that he can work it out, without focusing attention on his actual experience of cause and effect.
Help! In the Sam Harris discussions, Peterson told Sam that you had to rescue the father from the belly of the beast in the bottom of the ocean, while Sam said it could be anybody, not necessarily a father, like a mother, and it would still make sense. But Peterson protested and said it had to be the father for the story to be successful. In one of the earlier podcasts with Joe Rogan, Peterson also said that the reason J.K. Rowling was successful was because she used archetypal narratives, citing Chamber of Secrets where Harry goes to the bottom of the school to beat the monster Basilisk. Except he saves a female character, Ginny Weasley, his friend’s sister and his future wife, and the story still turned out successful. Doesn’t this prove Sam’s point?
I feel like people who are successful are afraid they can't be successful at anything else, to a point that they waste a ton of potential. At some point things need a fresh look, point of diminishing returns, and there are other things that likely require your attention. I'm not suggesting you do things you suck at, I'm suggesting you are better served to discover more in your life. I feel like having 3 or 4 "careers" in a lifetime is not unreasonable and certainly life is full of seasons
It's an amazing video and idea, Peterson, but I think that came down to your own ingenuity. I don't think that's how the Bible meant it, seeing as the people who read it first believed it literally. If a literal god existed, then they would just snap their fingers and have everyone int he universe intuitively understand it :P
You may get new mutations from a stressful environment but it’s only a few alleles or a few changing nucleotides nothing considerable and nothing that can be transferred through heredibility.
"Participation in acts whose sole purpose is expansion of innocent pain and suffering destroys character; forthright encounter with tragedy, by contrast, may increase it." -Maps of Meaning
He reminds me so much of my Dad. The way he looks, the intelligence and deep spiritual insight on things such as scripture; along with the kind of pain he has suffered and the weight of that. I think that’s one of the reasons he connects to me so much.
How to know when will the things go in wrong path? How much stress is too much? I agree that we should accept as many challenges as we can, but how to know how much is too much? Becuase too much stress causes illnesses, and you end up in a worst place then where you began
It's weird how some people hear Jordan speaking plainly and directly and others only hear gibberish word salad.
Those that hear Peterson directly probably already believe in this woo. If it's the first time you're hearing this woo you're going to have a harder time understanding it.
I honestly used to struggle comprehending what he was saying. The more I listen to him & deepen my vocabulary, the better I understand.
The people that hear gibberish aren't willing to listen it's that simple
graphicism Everything he says is the truth. The people saying they won't fall for his beliefs probably call transsexuals which ever gender they think they are. "Sure I'll call billy Debra from now on, but I won't bend reality to believe Jordan Peterson". The truth is hard to swallow but that doesn't make it not true. It's a lot easier to say orange man bad than actually look into things and admit you might be wrong about things.
@@BiggestRedditor Well you're inadvertently admitting a confirmation bias, which is fine, but you only serve to prove my point regarding those that "follow" Peterson. You shouldn't say "Everything he says is the truth" because again, his words speak to you. Peterson confirms your bias. Further he talks about the medias-narrative, which as far as I am concerned is all fake news for the gullible public. He picks that up and runs with it, as if there is a kid around every corner wanting to be considered a Panda bear. To reiterate, if you didn't watch TV and keep up with the so called NEWS, you wouldn't know what what he was talking about most of the time. I'm being silly now, but imagine if someone spoke elegantly and poignantly about the Simpsons, how would you feel? And that is perhaps somewhere I reside in regards to Peterson.
I love that man so much. He’s not old enough to be my dad but I watch his videos to fill the dad void and it helps so much. He doesn’t only help men. Women need this too.
You Rock Amy!
Everyone needs this. I hope you're in a better place
Same girl. I have a severely narcissistic father. This man has kept me from the edge.
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He reminds me so much of my Dad. The way he looks, the intelligence and deep spiritual insight on things such as scripture; along with the kind of pain he has suffered and the weight of that. I think that’s one of the reasons he connects to me so much.
What is my Dad doing in Bert Kreischer's stomach in the first place?
I think he would say that he represents old tradition and information that those not suits into a new reality. Not that it is wrong but it is incomplete and insuficient, and the way to deal with that is by having Pinocchio, the new and the reformist, to rescue it and give it a new shape and form.
You’re a loser
Very funny comment.
@@chadgrov Don't be an asshole. Humor is not a bad thing.
This animosity towards JP is really weird. But what else to expect in a world where taking responsibility for oneself and one's actions is akin to suicide.
what does that have to do with anything? are you talking about yourself?
@@MastaSmack why are you being mean?
I'm forced to exist when I do not want to...it makes me angry.
@@MastaSmack well shit man, existence isn't exactly the easiest thing out there, but what other alternative do you have? Might make the most out of it, even if your "most" isn't what society considers "the most". Fuck it, your life, your terms, as long as you're happy, awesome.
Personal responsibility offends those too incompetent to manifest it.
Jordan is starting to look like Zeus
hudson greenough or Odin
Or an out of work magician.
How you know how Zeus look
Jordan Peterson for me never gets old. He is a wizard
He ages daily
He's the Merlin of our Age
@@DeJake he's not a scientist, he's a clinical psychologist...
@@habsfan8768 psychology is a branch of science, they're still scientists as much as any other science
@@DeJake depends on what your major is there's b.a. psych and b.s.c psych...as much as people want to suggest that stuff is science I don't believe it's nearly the same as classical science.
"I need a drink to ____."
vs.
"I'll take a moment to summon up more faith & courage to do it soberly." = new gene protein coding.
You can fight that whale alone my friend.sobriety is my kryptonite..or is living my kryptonite and death is my strength.idk its a thought in progress
Drogenberatung dornbirn?
No
Joe "...." Rogan
@Alfred Deakin fucker
Hahaha
nice name
"Wo knows how much there is locked inside of you?" -JBP
My father is a whale. Checkmate Peterson.
Infinite recursion error
Sorry bro but that makes it worse. Now your father is trapped inside of a cannibal whale.
He means the archetypal father. Not the biological one.
Gay lord Butts Archetypes are at work in people ;)
Lmao
This guy has thought me more about my self than I thought was possible. Seriously, Jordan is a true genius.
*taught
He needs to teach you grammar and spell check. lol just kidding
His analysis and wisdom is so profound. Even Rogan was quite and listening with no interruptions.
I'm 99% sure JP is just on for a free therapy session for the JRE audience and Joe knows people need to hear him desperately
No offense but Joe is a professional interviewer. It’s his job to be quiet and ask questions that will drive the conversation forward.. when you have someone like Jordan Peterson speaking, there’s not much you need to do to get the maximum amount of information out of his mouth.
Whew........ and I thought I was going to have to go find my dad
🤭
What he means as far as I can tell, you do something new, let's say something you're afraid of. For example socializing or talking to women. You use exposure therapy to slowly build up your social skills with women and then you incorporate what you learned and turn it into a skill. So now there's more to you since you learned a new skill.
The other thing is biologically speaking, if you put yourself in a new situation your genes code for new proteins that unlock your hidden potential. Think of it as, you unlocking new upgrades or hidden software to your body you didn't realize you had.
And the ancestral father which is you in a sense, rescuing yourself from the belly of the whale. You are the product of the people that made you, and the people that made you are kind of hidden in you. You have hidden potential in your genes biologically and like your ancestors can access the genes that gave them strength to live long and thrive. But all that hidden potential isn't going to develop unless you stress yourself.
There's something very spiritual yet scientific about all this.
Wow crazy
+ShadowniteALX 2 If you haven't already, I highly encourage you to search a similar subject of "the bicameral mind". It touches similarly on the aspect of ancestral Jungian hidden identities / abilities in our psyche, with a focus on the correlation between religious experiences and the surprisingly recent merging of the left and right brain over the last few thousand years.
+NexusVoid's channel covers it spectacularly
Wow Wow Wow. A perfect summary. Awesome job
Really well written!
@@amygodward4472 I'll look it up, thanks
Clean the whale, Rescue your room
Brilliant
Be the lobster
'Facts don't care about your lobsters'.
Slay the Lobster
As much a jackass as any trans-woman, Jesus.
Listening to Peterson always reminds me of how I'm wasting my life...
...ironically, by listening to Jordan Peterson
You are not wasting your time. The unpleasent experience of wasting your time is exactly what will propel you towards achieving your potential. Just continue facing these terrifying feelings and it will sort itself out.
well then do something about it! ( In JP’s accent)
@@_jiggy Canucks 🇨🇦 don't have accents,we pronounce our consenents properly,,we don't change our speech when we sing, unlike others..
@@normanflint8757 that’s very cool
Every system of mass dysfunction/immorality that I've dedicated my life to leaving behind completely matches the systems that ruined my father's life. I didn't do this on purpose, I just noticed this recently. As I see it, JBP's view on this metaphor is looking at the nature of inheritance. I inherited the existence of my parents. This is powerful to recognize that we all participate in a bigger picture, and that bigger picture is made up of simultaneously independent events and chain reactions, and they influence each other and clash and combine. So to do with this life something meaningful that helps people and improves life is caring for this life that was given to you by your parents. But JBP goes deeper and looks at the deep observation, self-reflection that is like an intensive meditation, that brings you to see things differently, and confronts you with everything your father could not save himself from.
Im 30 years old and my dad just suddenly passed away at 68 3 days ago and I’ve watched this video probably 30 times. It makes me feel so much better. Gives me strength and understanding when i need it. Thanks JP
The train never stops. Good luck, and I wish you well, brother.
Rest In peace... More strength to you and your family...
@@DudeitsLandon thank you brother
@@atishaysingh5114 thank you ❤️
@@benjamin5726 dont mention brother, we stay together spacilly when life gets tough.
People in the comments seem confused, i totally understand what he meant. He basically saying "you" have potential but you wont unlock that potential by do the same thing. Open up and challenge yourself it make you better
That's the only bit that makes sense, the rest is basically scientology slapped on top to seem more profound.
He's a useful-idiot so the large archetypes love him.
Super Llama nothing he said was related to scientology.
graphicism idiot is a big word to use for someone when you don't even know what he's talking about. How can an idiot help out so many people? I guess you're the smart guy here 😂 dumbass.
@@superllama5509 no he is just explaining the phycological and philosophical aspects of lessons you think are simplistic but in reality are profound and complex. It is important that he does so because many but primarily post modernist of been able castigate old ideas as simplistic and lacking philosophical weight, The left has managed to monopolise modern philosophy. These old ideas he talks about where once complex and deep but they are old and being widely accepted where simplified and concentrated to easily digestible forms because the discussion was over. Now the discussion is back and there are new seemingly complex and interesting ideas compared to the old ones that have been condensed for convenience and those old ideas need to be unpacked and more thoroughly understood.
People who can't understand this have not developed their abstract thinking.
If a group thinks the same it can't be an individual abstraction. It would be a programmed mental hearding.
@@whitepeoplergullible9241 so we're not allowed to agree on anything? Sounds enlightening, brah.
@@whitepeoplergullible9241 also, these aren't supposed to be individual abstractions, rather "Jungian" archetypes that exist in much the same form in all of us. Therefore it's more of a process of recognizing these abstract and cultural references to guide your abstract thinking towards the answers our culture has found for these issues, rather than every individual having their own completely original abstraction. Which wouldn't be very useful, tbh.
Never said we couldn't agree on anything.
What's the difference between hearding and guiding? It sounds like you agree with my point.
Is Jamie trying to make Peterson look like a nut with these thumbnails?
@Aws Yep. Word Salad.
Lmao I saw them all and it reminded me of the sith Emperor
"If you can face the malevolence and you can face the suffering then that opens the door to your maximal potential, and then the optimistic part of that is, and this is why it's so useful to peer into the darkness let's say, the optimistic part of that is that although the suffering is great and the malevolence is deep, your capacity to transcend it is stronger."
indeed
He's talking about The Hero's Journey through the lens of Jung and finding of the self.
This is psychedelic asf. Seriously. For me at least, most of my experiences with psychedelics are analogous to pretty much everything he said.
For real bro. When the analogy clicked in my head it gave me that exact same feeling you get when you make an astonishing realisation on LSD or shrooms. I think its because it resonates so much with our souls and with knowledge that is dormant in our minds passed onto us by our forefathers as a blueprint to thrive in this world. We just unlocked a little of that sacred knowledge and the weird psychedelic feeling we get from that is confirmation.
If u want to take the red pill of all red pills watch Peterson’s podcast with the author of the immortality key. Psychedelics, Christ, underworld, death, transformation, is all embedded in a underlying reality on which consciousness operates, then tie in Peterson’s hypothesis on sexual selection in humans for the manifestation of logos, the hair on arms start to stand. It’s like what the fuck is going on here?
@@josevanreyes Dude exactly that. I was pausing and coming to insane realizations.
The weird mix of stoners and conservative intellectuals makes this comment section very entertaining.
I believe on my heart that my purpose in life after my family is to be the head of the Speer that puts an end to fatherless children. It has to start somewhere and I’ve already started.
This is awesome! Here's a quick reminder to keep up the good work, you will be the spear.
Let's go brother!
yes.
i am so thankful for the young professionals who help young boys.. its truly.. beautful.
Jung + Jonah + sleep deprivation = this
get your 8 hours
You only grow if you put yourself in the new situation. You unlock your potential by putting yourself in stressful situations
People who can't understand this have not developed their abstract thinking.. i feel sorry for them. Wish they have read some books and Jung.
"That's really interesting Jordan, but have you ever done DMT? Jamie, google sex robot brothel!"
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
And sometimes it isn't.
This is deep. Epic. Thumbs up.
Wow Peterson is dropping jewels again!
Wow just WOW how Jordan Peterson can explain so articulately yet staying on subject by breakdown a point of view. I so do enjoy his lectures on RUclips.
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Mary, Mother of God, pray for Mr Peterson, so God let him go to Heaven, because what I see here is what I was searching for
Aw, man. I don't have kids. If I get swallowed by a whale I'm screwed...
I get swallowed by a whale twice a week. Your mom is a good lady though.
Bitch😂😂😂
your father is tradition and / or culture if I understand it correctly
Esteban B that was a good one. now say jk
Incredibly interesting
Is he getting ready to hit Joe with force lightning on the thumbnail?
My dad died in February. Sometimes I feel like I’m rescuing my father from things he left unfinished so that I can prove to the world that he was a good and honorable man.
An outlier for this theory would be people with stress related mental disorders that are dependent on public funded healthcare. Plenty of opportunity to encounter human malevolence whether it be from other patients or staff. I don't see them being supercharged potential machines. Sometimes a wall isn't a challenge. It's just a wall.
It's like when Rodimus Prime short-circuited himself so his life force could enter the Matrix of Leadership and speak to Optimus and all the Primes that came before him.
Imma striaght transformer nerd and I think will happily be the one who likes this :)
That actually makes a lot of sense
It actually doesn't
@@danl7442 what part of: "through struggle and striving to make an impact in the world through self mastery you unlock your true genetic potential" don't you understand?
@@TheMindofRa it doesnt make sense because literally anybody can follow that and make themselves relevant to become that importance in their own mind. Thats a very liberal route.
Daki Kal Ahhhhh so now it makes sense it's a political thing y'all really can't listen to anything opposing your views can you?
@@GrassTalk4202 did you really come to a JP segment on a podcast let alone to a comment section to be non-political? Congratulations. You just won the naive darwin award.
Jordan 'taking on heavy loads" Peterson.
voluntary - is the important part of that sentence.
SHARE THE LOAD
Did Jesus (Son) rescue the Father (God) from the belly of the whale (mankind’s denial of God and the evil and wickedness that comes with such denial)? I respect JBP, but seems like he over complicated this.
I never like anyone giving me extra loads to carry ! So how come I still love this guy ! Definitely different !
4:53 "so this idea of saving someone who is very important to you, risking your life to save someone who's important to you maximizes your potential as a human being?" ehHH s'high
joe “ rescue your father “ rogan
Imagine having this dude as a father figure since birth, or at least as long as you can remember. We all could benefit from that kind of relationship/mentorship
When I see a comment about Peterson being a hack charlton I start trying to find out if it's a an alt right, white supremacists or a leftist but then I give up because it's so hard to tell the difference.
Jesus Christ is coming back to save us, believe in Him and you have eternal life.
Amen🙏🏿
Real Jordan Peterson videos are starting to sound like the meme edits of Jordan Peterson. He needs to chill out with whatever medication he's taking.
Or you have surface level intelligence
The Great Damiano
Nah. Peterson rambles incoherently relatively often. That isn’t to say that he isn’t a very intelligent guy with great insight on several occasions, but even as a fan I can recognize that he can get pretty off base on certain topics.
Or you are not understanding fully from his perspective what he's saying, or the message he's putting across. It's basic really
@@Nick-18 "Make it brief son, half short twice strong" - GZA
@@thegreatdamiano8565 Peterson's arguments are surface level and easy to understand. Which is why he has to add so much mythology to everything he says to capture the imagination of dim witted incels.
This is deep, extremely deep... I love it.
David Goggins tapped into this.
Thanks for putting this clip up on RUclips - I was searching for it as I wanted to listen to this particular idea again - but forgot which talk with Joe Rogan it was on. I have never read so many negative comment about Dr Peterson on a RUclips clip before - he certainly hit a nerve. I guess what we cannot understand we always think is stupid - ( CG Jung said that that. )
so interesting to think that if you're someone who is gradually overturning their suffering through growth, that pain/pressure that you're relinquishing or transforming is the weight of your "cross" that you're bearing
Yo I had a dream that was exactly what this dude is saying. Wtf?!?!?
Freaking wizard
Love you Jordan
I was playing Gears of War 5 the other day and theres a part where you are literally rescuing your father from the belly of the beast, and as i played i could picture JP sitting there nodding his head saying "Yes, thats exactly right!" xD
But also probably “go outside and achieve something real”
@@BD-yl5mh Like making snide, anonymous comments on the internet?
@@St3v3z was actually intended as a joke mate, I just found there to be some funny contrast in finding Peterson’s message in a video game
@@BD-yl5mh I think he would find issue with spending all day every day gaming to escape from real life responsibilities more than a playing for a couple of hours here and there to relax.
@@St3v3z you’re probably right, I just want to reiterate I didn’t really mean it as that much of a dig though man. I just imagined Dr P sitting next to you playing video games and thought “here’s what he might say”
It was like a little comedy vignette in my head, don’t stress
Currently playing this game daily. Just recently becoming aware that it is a thing.
Who else is facing pharmaceutical drug problems?
reading RUclips comments is my new pass-time
Here... read another one 👍
especially I find comments on Jordan's videos less random & cringe and more civilized to read, he is a true magician
It's like Crossfit for the psyche, constantly changing the workout to maximize overall fitness. I was a coach before it got big, and the analogy is perfect. Almost everyone has a physical ability that is above average in one realm or a certain movement, and that is easy to see in Olympians. But in CF, we didn't only do what we like, we had so much variety that one person could be the bad-ass one day, and be beat by a hundred pound girl the next. And the breakdown of strengths and weaknesses is what a femi-nazi might say is culturally imposed standards. No, men are stronger, faster, and more powerful. Women are typically more agile, flexible, have better endurance at medium stress tasks, and have way better balance. Of course men love the bench-press day, but if I didn't make them get faster on their pull-ups, or push them to gain flexibility in their upper body, they'd never see the potential of having strength AND the mobility to maximize that strength. And in women, if I didn't push them to handle a little more weight on their deadlift, then they could still roll out box jumps like Tigger, but wouldn't gain the strength to go a little higher on the box.
This is probably going to save my life, because I did look into the abyss, and have searched for a way out for 4 years. All I needed this whole time was a man to tell me that it was brave to choose to look. I remember when I decided to follow the thread of betrayal, and it unraveled me as I unraveled it. I will never be the same. But, at least now, I feel like there was a meaning, and when I decided to suffer for the truth, it was right, even if it has destroyed me. At least I had the courage. I love Jordan Peterson. He is a good man. I wish my son would watch him, but we all know 17 year old men won't listen to mom's choice of anything. The dummy. And most women hate him! WTF?
I know this is a 4years ago comment but I wanted to tell you this is all common sense that I figured out when I was 17 so idk what y’all older generations lived if y’all didn’t figure this until late in life, like y’all were dead alive fr I’m not even joking
I was doing things while watching this so it didn’t have my full attention and I honestly haven’t fully gotten it. Essentially it sounds like a highly metaphorical way of saying you need to challenge yourself to grow.
But taking it a little more literally, is is actually about defeating whatever defeated your father? That is to say that I recognise in my parents relationship, that I think my dad settled and got stuck with an unreasonable woman. I think he appreciated being needed but I think he gave up too much for that. That is not to outright admonish my mother, but I do wonder if my father secretly wishes he had an out.
That being said, I fell into a relationship that was frighteningly reminiscent of theirs in my early 20s. Was in it for over 3 years, and then finally found the strength to break out of it (having known since about the 6 month mark I wasn’t happy). I honestly think I wasn’t far from being broken and just going along with marriage and kids and whatever. But I couldn’t break out without seeing my dad in a new light.
I now wouldn’t consider myself a MGTOW or anything, but I think I’ve determined that I need to work myself out first, and that I will never give up as much of myself as I was willing to originally, and in a way that will be a lesson learn, almost in my fathers stead.
Is this in anyway related to what JP is saying here?
The fact is, in many ways I lag desperately behind my father, so I still have many obstacles laid out in front of me to overcome and manifest a better self but in some ways this felt like a critical lesson for me to learn that my father didn’t
Joe "The Whale" Rogan 😂🐋
man, i feel like am not doing anything with my life after watching this
This has helped me so much i watch this video a few times a year
Rescuing father = maximum turn on?
4:00-5:00 Did Peterson just describe RPG games and Anime?
Clinical psychology is largely disheartening so why not write a self help book? Because business 101 . Competition and target audience my force you to talk nonsense but he's seated in front of an honest business man so alas he's talking sense now.
Yet the world has access to his video record and there's hours of the shit. I feel sorry for him.
I understand this and move the input from his lectures talking about Pinocchio. Where I got lost in this one is how we start as puppets and become real beings. I think it’s a bit of the opposite. We start out free and wanting to take risk, and then society through indoctrination tells us what we can, and can’t do, and we become shells of what we could be.
Is there a Jordan Peterson figure for women? You know, one that's actually useful (cough cough not oprah or wendy williams cough). More specifically, for lesbians lol
Hollywood should really make a film about Jordan. Imagine the impact it would have on reversing the trend of over sensitivity and other SJW insanity!
Thank you, Mr. Peterson,
Peterson always talks about evil and malevolence as if it is some external thing. Evil exists in us all. Facing the evil uncle takes place as an internal battle with our own nature.
Jordan Peterson is definitely one the most intelectual beings on earth.
Not the only Disney film to explore that.....
In the finale of The Little Mermaid, Ariel puts her life at risk and selflessly saves her father from becoming the Sea-witch's slave, after having initially defied him, making the selfish choice and unintentionally putting him in the dangerous situation to begin with.
"I love you daddy!"
Her last line in the film! Always brings a year to my eye.
Peterson is playing this off like this is his own idea. Carl Jung wrote about this in his Psychology of the Unconscious, and even then he references Leo Frobenius who mapped the night sea journey. These are great ideas, but don't act like they are yours.
I respect him, but his certainty is suspect.
I wish everyone watched this but ehh it’s all good.
He is amazing
Any Christians on here who can tell me why most Christian pastors dislike Dr Peterson?
If someone ever asks me what my favorite RUclips video is, it’s this one. Because of this video, I’m finally meeting my dad for the first time in 8 years on Sunday. I’m not going to save him or some shit but I’m going to try a little bit to make things better with some education on how his shitty dad is why he was what he was.
I wonder if he knows Roy H. Williams
I understand completely what Jordan is saying. He is describing the same idea that is in the movie Fightclub. The idea that something inside us awakens when we fight in a street fight where we put our life at risk and where we must search within our souls some strength in order to survive and beat our rival.
You do realise that fight club is a critique of fascism in the same way starship troopers is, just more subtle right?
I feel like these are children's stories for the slow that still don't understand; you can be whatever you want to be...
@@superllama5509
You do realize that a text can be interpreted in multiple ways and you don't need to tell everyone how to interpret just because you've watched one wisecrack video, right?
@@abhishekkumar3679 😂😂🤣 I've seen that video too. Looks like there's three of us.
I don't know why people are having a hard time understanding what Peterson is saying and the idea the original commenter posted.
i need to do that right now
I once kissed a walrus. Still feel shame about it when I think back on it.
What was I thinking?
Dr. JP comin at ya with deadpool theory
7:10 Why am I thinking of post time-skip Zorro in One Piece?
Joe you need to rename this clip! I was almost NOT going to watch it because of the title and then was like... It's got Jordan Peterson so ya... I'll give it a watch... and the sheer brilliance of this man to unlock the secrets of our lives is unprecedented! His words unlock the crypt with the treasure! Like you Joe... I sit in silence when Jordan talks because he is absolutely mind blowing! "Challenging Yourself to Find Your Maximum Potential" or "Why Facing Your Fears Frees You" or "Doing the Scary Thing is Scary but Confronting Your Fears Opens Your Vault" or "You Need Pain to Grow" I'm gonna watch it again right now!
by Jordan Peterson's sudden expertise on behavioral genetics, Black people, gays and people living in the poorest areas would have more fully expressed genetic potential than your average middle class white person...... wut? Jordan, your dogma reinforces old cliches. Give up your conservative dadaism
Don L to me it sounded more like an individual who pushes themselves would experience the genetic material he spoke of. Not one who’s accustomed to their poorer surroundings
Well Shu I agree with your characterization. I forgot to include the word "stress" because that's what JP used. the "stress" of new situations would unlock this genetic potential or more fully expressed self. I got to equating stress with poverty because of studies showing that poverty causes higher amounts of cortisol and even conditions known as cptsd (chronic ptsd). I think it's important not to wax over what it is that builds our ability for success. saying it's stress that unlocks our genetics isn't really justified. the right amount of it is helpful, too much? then what?
should we feel responsible for saving our parents? shouldn’t we be concerned about our own pathology? ours is a heavy burden by itself.
He is not talking about saving parents, he is talking about your inner potential. When he says "father" he is talking about all your ancestors before you, locked in your genetic code.
Malevolence is the quality of causing or wanting to cause harm.
Jordan is trapped inside of decisions he made as a boy looking from the prerational and dependent perspective of a boy.
Jordan's father persistently behaved as if his own feelings are very relevant and Jordan's feelings are irrelevant.
As a strategy to honor his father and to try to relieve an impossible predicament, Jordan limited and distorted his perception to make his father's
behavior appear justified, righteous and immutable. Subordinate to these decisions and limited and distorted perception, Jordan cannot focus
his attention on the causes and effects of human behavior. Jordan is preoccupied with pretending that he can work it out, without focusing attention
on his actual experience of cause and effect.
Help! In the Sam Harris discussions, Peterson told Sam that you had to rescue the father from the belly of the beast in the bottom of the ocean, while Sam said it could be anybody, not necessarily a father, like a mother, and it would still make sense. But Peterson protested and said it had to be the father for the story to be successful. In one of the earlier podcasts with Joe Rogan, Peterson also said that the reason J.K. Rowling was successful was because she used archetypal narratives, citing Chamber of Secrets where Harry goes to the bottom of the school to beat the monster Basilisk. Except he saves a female character, Ginny Weasley, his friend’s sister and his future wife, and the story still turned out successful. Doesn’t this prove Sam’s point?
I feel like people who are successful are afraid they can't be successful at anything else, to a point that they waste a ton of potential.
At some point things need a fresh look, point of diminishing returns, and there are other things that likely require your attention.
I'm not suggesting you do things you suck at, I'm suggesting you are better served to discover more in your life. I feel like having 3 or 4 "careers" in a lifetime is not unreasonable and certainly life is full of seasons
It's an amazing video and idea, Peterson, but I think that came down to your own ingenuity. I don't think that's how the Bible meant it, seeing as the people who read it first believed it literally. If a literal god existed, then they would just snap their fingers and have everyone int he universe intuitively understand it :P
You may get new mutations from a stressful environment but it’s only a few alleles or a few changing nucleotides nothing considerable and nothing that can be transferred through heredibility.
"Participation in acts whose sole purpose is expansion of innocent pain and suffering destroys character;
forthright encounter with tragedy, by contrast, may increase it." -Maps of Meaning
I think he actually believes his own bullshit. Yawn....
He reminds me so much of my Dad. The way he looks, the intelligence and deep spiritual insight on things such as scripture; along with the kind of pain he has suffered and the weight of that. I think that’s one of the reasons he connects to me so much.
How to know when will the things go in wrong path? How much stress is too much? I agree that we should accept as many challenges as we can, but how to know how much is too much? Becuase too much stress causes illnesses, and you end up in a worst place then where you began