One year at my Christian summer camp, one of the leaders brought up a girl from his church. He goes, "This is A. This time last year, we prayed over her bisexuality. We prayed that she would be delivered from homosexuality. And, this year, she has been delivered! Isn't that right, A?" And she says yeah. Later a small group of us are hanging out in our cabin (all of us gaybies). We asked if it was true, and she says, "yeah I was delivered from bisexuality...now I'm just a lesbian." I miss her, she was fun
i rlly wish more Christians would see how absolutely mind numbingly stupid homophobia is like dude they're lgbt, tht's fine. Jesus would respect them and love them so why shouldn't you?
fun fact! i was disowned by my entire extended family for being a lesbian, while they still love an accept a literal convicted murderer because he "repented" my guy the victim is still dead
@@sworddash2365 It’s kind of messed up that they don’t feel safe or supported enough to come out in the first place. Also no one owes anyone anything, they are aloud to come out or not come out when they want or when their ready.
@@CivicN17 girlie Christians litterally yell racist and homophobic things and then declare they are morally right because theyre Christian and everyone else is going to hell... Like- that's more arrogant than anything
It would be best if instead you kick them in the private part because of how painful it is and I speaking from experience since I found it more painful than getting hit in the face.
Also that’s always such a weird argument to me? “If ___ had an abortion then ____ wouldn’t exist.” Okay so if they didn’t exist then you wouldn’t be able to miss them because they never existed? These people act like they have access to alternate universes
also like theres several billion people on Earth, so again if her husband had never existed, shed have no idea of him even as a concept. She’d probably still find someone, she’d probably still have basically the same relationship, and she’d never know about him. I dont get it when people talk about ‘if xyz never existed’ outside of anything more than a joke because if something never existed, you wouldn’t be aware of that. So the whole ‘if he was aborted id be sad and lonely :(‘ doesnt even make sense.
i hate when people say “there are other options than abortion” when the foster care system is already overflowing & these people don’t do anything to help those children as is.
"There will always be people willing to adopt" **"so you adopt to help the issue...or hell adopt my baby so I don't have to abort it...."** "WhAT D: oh no I'll pass on that issue to someone else" - "self righteous" Christian
@@somebodyoncetoldme2664 These people(These kinds of Christians or religious people) don't care, they've never really cared about anyone aside from making themselves superior
@@aiaikawa4012 Like I've stated before, before my comment was removed, they don't actually CARE about it, they couldn't care less about the kids or the people birthing them All they care about is having their idea of how life is meant to be lived, followed and worshipped without question
not to mention still as much as it's cold to say, doing irreparable damage to your body for a child you werent planning nor do you want, plus them having to grow up knowing they were given away, it's just not worth it
My dad is from a very religious, Christian family and my mom is Jewish. His siblings used to send conversion packets/pamphlets to get my mom to convert and to keep them from raising me and my brother Jewish. One day, in a particularly disgusting attempt at conversion, one of my aunts decided to say something along the lines of "if you don't convert, you'll never get to see your dead daughter in the afterlife." For context, my twin sister was born with an unknown disease that she died from when we were 11 months old. After my dad's sister did that my parents completely cut off almost all contact from his siblings. I've only ever met most of them a couple of times, which I'm fine with honestly 😅
hell nah, I would have cussed them out for that. how the fuck are you gonna come after MY FAMILY for being a different religion. they didnt even try to understand why your mom is jewish bro
@@DeathnoteBB and also the "god tells me to do good or I go to hell" thing... LIKE- YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE THREAT OF ETERNAL SUFFERING TO BE A GOOD PERSON???
my dad is, in my gay opinion, the most supportive man on earth. he's a single 54-year-old heavily Christian man with two autistic kids, one aroace and one trans lesbian. he's so insanely kind, and always willing to help or tag along on pride parades, climate marches, whatever. he's a feminist to the core, and left an old church because of their homophobic views, giving them a speech in pure anger (ive never seen him angry btw) before he left on how what they think is hateful and wrong. my dad is honestly amazing and im so grateful to have a dad like him, he would smack these people across the face with a bible. edit: my dad really cares about people, no matter who they are. he has a mug with a photo of paddington bear that says "migration is not a crime" and that speaks for itself
W ally dad. you can still love christ and not identify with christianity. shit the bible itself says to pray in isolation not with a group of others. in theory the church is purely anti-bible lmao
I’m also from a Hispanic house hold & I do agree that sexual abuse is brushed under the rug way too much, but saying that being an abuser is the same thing as being gay or queer in general is so fucked up. Gurl- they are far away from ever being the same thing. 💀
I feel like what she was saying there wasn't that being queer is as bad as being a predator but that people focus on queer issues while sweeping SA under the rug. Which isn't a good argument because 99% of the people who advocate for queer issues also advocate for better education about consent and justice for people who are assaulted
@@idontknow898 yeah I got a similar sentiment from that response. It seemed like she just wanted to highlight how families will focus on the gay uncle or cousin but choose to ignore the abusers past.
Oh my god, it’s so annoying when people say that lgbtq+ individuals are groomers simply for just existing. Yes, there are abusive queer people. You know what there also are? Abusive christians. Abusive priests, even. By raising a child to be strictly christian, is that not grooming them to be a servant for the church? Makes no sense.
It sucks that she's only gotten as far as realizing "they're both bad," and hasn't realized only sexual abuse is bad. She's trying to compromise on something that can't truly be compromised on.
One of my friends told me that she was sent to a christian camp for “therapy” after coming out as *asexual.* When she came back, her parents asked her if she was cured and she told them “I’m not sure, I still don’t feel like having s*x” She legit comes up with the kind of comebacks I make up 2 weeks after an argument.
That’s insane. Based on their own beliefs on sexuality and sin, we asexuals should be the least of their concerns. That would be close to being a nun lmao why would you be looking for ‘a cure’?
If someone's house is on fire and someone is inside the house would you say oh I don't want to warn them as I wanted be 'loving' to them. Or would you shout at them telling them of the danger of the fire and telling them to leave the house. Wouldn't that be more loving. That is the position for us Christian. The bible clearly states whoever doesn't repent and have faith in Jesus Christ will go to hell. So it would be very evil of us to not tell you the truth of hell and what happens to people who never have faith in Jesus Christ and don't repent. Wherever people hate it not we only preach the gospel for your own good so you can go heaven. Also how are Christians causing violence since the bible doesn't support it and also if you don't believe in hell why do you care about what we say? 🤔 Repent and have faith in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. God bless you and your family and your loved ones in the Mighty name of Jesus Christ I pray Amen❤️🙏🏾
@@akinibitoye7908 I appreciate you took the time and energy to fully explain your thought process. We as individuals need to understand that not everyone has the same religious beliefs. Some of us aren't religious at all. You shouldn't use God as a weapon to promote your discrimination. The concept of using a higher power as a scapegoat to control people is childish and immature. Its like yelling at other kids to not play ball because your mommy told you. Do not use the Bible as a shield for your hatred. Also the constant threats of eternal suffering if one doesn't follow the cherry picked rules put in place is violent. It promotes the idea that LGBT individuals are inherently evil, causing followers to dehumanize and abuse them.
@@akinibitoye7908 actually it’s more like you’re screaming at us that you believe that the house is on fire and it isn’t proven whether it is or isn’t on fire but you’re screaming at us to get out of the house immediately or we’ll go to a horrible place without proving it exists. Stop trying to force people to believe what you believe if they don’t want to.
@@akinibitoye7908 Also if a Christian shoots someone because they’re Christian that suddenly doesn’t make them not a Christian because they broke a rule
guilt tripping a SA victim by saying they’ve been given the “gift of life” reminds me of saying “well at least your trauma made you stronger/ who you are today😋”…. no .
Agreed. The only time something like this hours be said is as a reflection AFTER someone has healed or "gotten over" their traumas. It is not something you say to someone who still is struggling with difficult things because it's insensitive and their struggle isn't over yet
11:38 I met someone in college who thought they'd been "cured" of being gay. Knowing him was how I realized it's not possible. Saw him in the mall about a week after I met him looking at buff guys in magazines and the look of longing on his face was so heartbreaking I almost cried right then and there in the middle of the mall. (I was well into my deep denial period so I didn't because "guys don't do that" but that's another story) That was actually the start of a long journey that ended up with me as a member of the alphabet mafia and an agnostic person myself.
HAHAAHHA I'VE NEVER HEARD THE TERM ALPHABET MAFIA, I LOVE IT AND IT WILL NOW BE REFERING TO LBGTQ+ AS THE ALPHABET MAFIA FROM NOW ON THANK YOU KIND CHOPPER FOR SHOWING ME THE WAY.
I'm almost 19 years old. I have an 8 month old son. I was r@ped but I chose to keep my baby. Yes, I view him as a blessing. He's the the most important person in my life! I love him and adore him more than anyone but even though I did decide to keep him, people constantly made me feel like if I didn't decide to keep him, I should be shamed for it. That I'd be a horrible person and didn't appreciate this "gift from God". Yes, I decided to keep my son. I'm incredibly happy but I still think it was incredibly disgusting how I felt so little support for if I had chosen the other option. Even people who knew it was r@pe tried to push me very heavily to keep him. I think it's incredibly gross for people to try and convince SA victims to keep a baby who was a product of SA. I'm lucky I'm so happy with my baby because I fully understand for others that could be way too traumatic to keep the child and go through that. My heart goes out to all fellow SA survivors
@@AnnamarieForcino Thank you so much! I'm genuinely happy people are willing to call out the way some Christans guilt trip SA victims! My son and I are doing great though, thank you! I don't think of him in a bad light. I like to say he was just unplanned! I love him unconditionally! He's really helped me to grow and heal! 😊❤️
Also, I wanted to add I've heard many, many people tell me I'm very "strong" for keepin him and I "did the right thing" as if getting an abortion makes someone weak and is strong- I've never experienced it but I do understand you have to be extremely strong to do that sorta thing
I bet it was a very difficult decision for you. I hope you are healing from your experience. Women who go through those things are the strongest women, no matter what they decide to do after. All the love and respect to you and your son. 💜
Them pressuring you to keep your baby is to make themselves feel righteous. It has nothing to do with your best interests or that of your unborn child. I’m so glad you made the right decision for yourself. I hope you have good support moving forward and wish you much healing and happiness. 💕
Dmitri says they understand the trauma that queer people are put through by Christians and then shares beliefs that actually trigger trauma responses in me. When they started talking about “”God” delivering people from homosexuality” I was sent back to an extremely traumatic event that happened in my childhood where a church goer said the *exact* same thing to me. If you claim to understand that someone is being abused and then consciously take part in that abuse, you are a bad person, and any god would frown down upon you.
@@TheWillikerz here in Tennessee I’ve heard it compared to both lol shits insane. I’ve literally heard people say “200 years from now, we’re gonna look back on abortion the way we look back on slavery now. “ we’re also anti abortion with no exceptions (r’pe incest etc)
I’ve been thinking about the holocaust lately because just a few generations back I would 100% have been a victim. It was so much more than killing people. It was systematic dehumanization that caused abuse and trauma, people feared for their lives and some were experimented on, unethically, because they didn’t see us as people, so we were disposable Guinea pigs. They tortured us and made our lives a living hell. It is unexplainably disgusting to compare that to an abortion. Made me fucking furious.
Anyone comparing genocide to anything to further their argument needs a lesson in empathy. I'm German and my great grandpa spent 1938-45 in concentration camps because he was a member of the communist party. He somehow survived (probably because he was low on their list, being a Caucasian man) but entirely broken afterwards, barely talking, just waiting for his turn to die. My grandpa was 5 when he was taken and 12 when he was freed, never expected to see him again. It's bizarre to consider that he was one of the lucky ones because he survived.
My mom wanted to get pregnant so bad, she missed her period once and ran to a planned parenthood, there were people outside berating her calling her a murderer, they didn’t know how much she wanted a baby. Those protesters outside planned parenthood are abusive and wrong.
Probably cause by going to a Planned Parenthood, you are supporting abortions regardless if you are getting one or not. Kinda like how vegetarians say going to McDonald's supports animal abuse even if you are only getting non-meat options. Or how some LGBT people say by eating Chic Fila you are against LGBT people since the owners support conversion therapy.
@issecret1 I think you are missing the point. Some people just make generalizations about others based on the establishment they support even if there are other reasons why someone might use those services.
@@kpoppy9635 planned parenthood does a lot more than abortions. They offer all kinds of care for people planning their families and parenthood. Comparing healthcare to fast food is quite a leap.
I was also heavily involved with the church. I remember one instance where everybody was discussing how homosexuality is the same as any sin and I said no, it definitely is not. I was immediately repriemended and belittled by everybody in the room, and I can remember realising that if this is just a fraction of the shame and humilation that is constantly imposed on members of LBGTQ community, that I couldn't be part of the problem. That was my catalyst for leaving the church. By the way, they all pat each other on the back as they quote things like 'love the sinner, not the sin'. It's pretty sickening stuff.
Adoption is extremely traumatic and they don’t even offer free therapy for birth parents. I hate when people say “just choose adoption”, like it’s so simple. It makes me so mad!
Also any couple who offers to adopt your child just because you needed to get an abortion is one of the threats no child should ever have to be anywhere near of. There's something very sinister about only caring about life when it challenges their views. For all you know they might be looking to raise brainwashed members for their religious or political cult, or even use the fact that they adopted an almost aborted child as a Facebook argument then shortly disown the child.
Most people who say that have never done it, and that's why they say it. I'd bet most of these people haven't lived outside their black and white lives. Or the people who have done gray to them have polarized it away with scripture. The air of judgement in so many Christians tones, when that is one thing they are NOT supposed to do astounds me. They want to do what the book says, but not what it teaches.
Oh, yeah, it's the human incubator and sperm donor that suffer. Forget the fact that most adoptive kids have to live through the horror; while bio parents just get to move on and have a new family.
@@DeathnoteBBi think their point is more like people in poverty or people dealing with drug problems arent allowed to adopt bc its an unsafe environment and these people will still be forced to give birth. like obviously nobody should be forced to give birth but this is a separate point
@@spacecase2493I interpreted it as an age thing. You need to meet an age requirement in order to adopt, so it's wrong to have children carry babies they can't support when the system says they can't legally adopt because they're underage
i personally find the argument of "if my husbands parent weren't raped then he would never exist and that makes me sad" like, if your husband never existed, you wouldn't know, you wouldn't care, he wouldn't ever exist and hence it doesn't matter
I vividly remember sitting in a room with my old therapist (he was the best therapist I've had and I miss him. Unfortunately, my parents ripped me away from him because they are transphobic) and I had just recently gone on T. I was particularly giggly that day and he noticed. He told me before I went on T he had not once heard me laugh or seen me smile once in any of our sessions. I've seen him for a few years prior to that session. Had I not transitioned or found out I am trans I don't think I'd be a happy person. I was always stressed out and dysphoric.
@@Local_custard thanks for sharing this! I agree, being able to accept I wasn’t cishet was such a game changer for me and I’ve honestly felt a lot happier since. When you finally let go of what everyone your entire life has told you you have to be, you feel a lot less burdened, even if there’s still bumps in the road along the way
as someone who went through a traumatic SA event when I was 12, had I gotten pregnant from that, and someone told me it was a gift…I would no longer be here. That would’ve put the nail in the coffin. That way of thinking is doing immense harm and is honestly the most ignorant and uncaring thing someone can say about victims of SA. Holy shit…
@@bluesky2925 no that's not what they said, just read it again. but some people do obviously say stuff like that to SA victims and it's it's absolutely horrible.. i can't imagine having to live with the trauma of the SA and ALSO the burden of pregnancy and people around you expecting you to just accept it as a positive gift...
I’ve personally never experienced the horror of SA, but as someone who was in religion that also typically views those outcome as “a gift” it makes my blood boil to no end. I’m baffled how anyone could be so concerned and supportive of a being that doesn’t even exist yet vs a victim and survivor of SA who is a whole existent person and have the fucking audacity to say it’s some kind of miracle and blessing
These people believe that a child being neglected/abused by a resentful parent is better than being peacefully unware of the horrors of the world. This is why I left the church.
I don’t understand any of these viewpoints at all but it’s breaking my brain trying to comprehend why that girl who’s “had orgies with females” can also say that she thinks homosexuality is a sin
She’s scared to accept that part of herself bc of religious trauma. She just hasn’t realized that yet. I hope she comes to terms with it. She owes herself that
Well she be used both of those things as a sin. People have done things that they view morally wrong, and still condemn those actions. I'm honestly surprised that she's so open about it, but I guess the anonymity contributes. Still, I am boggled. That someone that used to be so open with themselves, maybe they found that it wasn't for them, but still condemning that and choosing to be more conservative and condemning others who don't follow that is funky
My dad told me I was teaching my siblings satanic ideology and was bringing them to hell with me because I supported them when they came out to the family 😭
It’s depressing(but not at all surprising) that when these “loving christians” are given the ability to say what they really think with no repercussions, they instantly turn into horrible people.
my elementary teacher “was” gay.. i went to a tiny private christian school, and they wouldn’t hire a gay man no matter how good of a christian he was, or his teaching skills. so he married a woman, and had 3 kids. it’s clear he was never fully converted no matter how many chapel sermons he tries to speak at saying otherwise. the kids at that homophobic school still make fun of the way he is, regardless of his wife and kids and the way he says he’s “straight now.” he’s a great teacher and very loving but apparently since you can’t be a christian AND be gay, he had to try to pray the gay away to get this job..
It always reminds me of this post I saw of a person saying gay people shouldn’t be teachers and a person responded saying “if they can teach my child the difference between there, their and they’re, I don’t care who they are”
As an SA surviver I couldn't even imagine if I got pregnant from an assault and had to have a child. I was so scared and full of hatred and desperation all these years, the idea that I could suffer much more with a child from that trauma makes me shiver with my whole body.
These people just have no empathy. They wouldn't take the few seconds it takes to try and put themselves in your shoes to understand how horrible of a situation that would be, and they'd blurt out some pre-manufactured god related buzzwords at you... I can't believe how violent these interviewees were towards SA survivors.
I had a super atypical Christian upbringing. I was raised by two leftist progressives that had queer friends their whole lives, and the church we went to was equally progressive and even gayer. It was mostly a bunch of queer/agnostic or otherwise left leaning people that believed in universal unconditional love. To this day, my church still marches in the local pride parade. So weirdly, I probably would have come out and accepted myself sooner if i had been more involved with my church.
What’s up! Transgender Christian here! To me, calling myself a Christian is less about God or Christ or Heaven and Hell and more about doing a very literal “What would Jesus do?” with how I go about life. The answer is so often: be good, be kind, be charitable, and many other things. Live by the seven virtues and love one another. Be kind and understanding and don’t push down people who are worse off. Life is hard already, we don’t need to make it harder by refusing to show compassion
Exactly this. The best one can do, not just for a God or a deity, but for yourself and other human beings as well, is show love and compassion towards others.
and to me, while the only way TO get into heaven is to Confess your sins, and prove that you deserve to have Jesus forgive you of them, generally being a good person, and just standing by the most bare-bones teachings of the bible is the most effective way OF confessing sins without actually practicing
I am here early to say I'm bisexual and i went on my first date with a woman yesterday and she let me kiss her cheek and i almost had a heart attack i love women so much lol.
This is kind of off topic from the video but, as a trans guy, lately my dysphoria has been thru the roof. And it’s actually super nice to hear you say there’s nothing wrong with transgender people! It warms my heart a bit and really made my day, so thank you 💚
See so the guy in the video was right, you've been looking for validation. You don't need anybody to validate what you are or are not, you are your own person and should think for your own self. Critically analyze it, if you're trans, which I hope you haven't deactivated your genitalia or some crazy shit like that, you're basically saying God made a mistake. You've been dealing with self identity, possibly falling into depression, asking why you were made the way you were and last but not the least, have been looking for validation knowingly or unknowingly. But hey that's just my take on it, I could be totally wrong, but if I am I'd like you to correct me. Anyways, hope you find the Light before it's too late, John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Love ya, and please stay hydrated❤
@@oyinkansolaeshoYT LMAOOOOO. Bruh what 💀 why tf u brought ur religion into it. Thanks for ur unsolicited take but nothing u said is actually how I’m feeling, nice try tho it was cute
@@oyinkansolaeshoYTbeing trans is not saying God made a mistake. that's like saying getting glasses shows that you think God made a mistake because you can't see without them. or any kind of surgery because God made you that way. why would you want to change it? are you saying he made a mistake when getting glasses or a surgery you need? no. being trans is no different. also everyone seeks validation. it feels really nice to be validated especially if you've been invalidated your whole life by everyone around you. whether it has to do with being trans or not. you go to God for validation. why can't other people also seek validation? we know who we are but constantly being invalidated by everyone hurts. so even just one person validating us feels so nice. if we're sharing random Bible verses i can too “Love means doing what God has commanded us, and he has commanded us to love one another, just as you heard from the beginning.” 2 John 1:6 NLT saying you love someone and actually loving someone are two different things. maybe stop pretending you do and hiding behind God. He knows your heart and your true intentions. Maybe you have good intentions, but it doesn't matter if the intentions are good if you still do harm
I hate that Dmitri was like trans people have depression because they're trans as if there aren't literal studies saying that the risk of depression & suicide drops pretty significantly for transgender people if they're able to transition and receive support from friends & family
They always ignore that and will continue to do so because anything that goes against their original beliefs, no matter how well supported, is labeled satanic....
As a Christian, that opening question and the people agreeing are part of the problem. You aren't 'loving the sinner' by hating me cause I'm queer, you love us by being accepting or just chill with it. Remember the number one rule is love thy neighbor, did Jesus stutter. I won't even start on the other questions or I'm writing an essay
@@gotmilkbutt I'm not really a believer myself but you do not get the right to call people's beliefs as "scams"like genuinely, who do you think you are?
Except you forget that the entire purpose of the Good Samaritan parable was to explain to a follower that "only _some_ people are your neighbors" And that's the entire problem with using the bible as a moral teaching -- one can (and many Christians do) use it to justify practically any stance one could take on an issue, which is precisely why both pro-slavery advocates and abolitionists were arguing from "scriptural" positions, or the same with abortion (like the SBC arguing pro-choice pre-1979 and pro-life post-1979, and claiming both were biblically-based stances).
@@khill8645 The bible isn't reliable and it never was. I personally don't judge anyone that is christian because it's there beliefs. However, the bible is really... confusing; it's a human's point of view of a human's point of view about right and wrong and people worship these ideologies as if they are their lord's own words even though it isn't.
@@khill8645 the good Samaritan is about helping people even if you don't know them or a part of your group. It's also about how not to assume an entire group is bad, as Samaritans were seen mean and cruel group of people. Besides the Bible has been translated so many ways that you may have read a different reason, but Jesus' teaching has always been is to be kind to each other no matter what they have done, especially non Christians. Don't cast stones at someone for sinning if you have sinned yourself
12:30 Thank you. As a gay person, hearing this part really made me smile. My parents have an issue with me being gay, they call me abnormal, brainwashed, and "going too far". Of course, their harassment is really harmful to me. So I'm really glad you spoke out. And I'll also make a platform of my own, to make even more people feel safe. Sending love to everyone who needs it ❤
I went to a catholic high school and my religion teacher told this joke that I think about a lot especially when I see things like this. “One day a man enters heaven and he’s getting the grand tour. His tour guide says ‘over there are the Hindus, there are the Jews, there are the atheists, etc’ then the man says ‘what’s behind that wall over there?’ and the guide says ‘oh those are the Christians. They think they’re the only ones up here’” 😂😂
DONT DO WHAT THE UPPER COMMENT SAYS ITS A SCAM I GOT THE SAME THING ON ONE OF MY COMMENTS explanation: I just T commented congrats on a RUclipsr for reaching ten mill then I got an comment saying I won something and to dm them to get it I asked the RUclipsr in an email and they did say that it’s a scam
@@liyaaklen8015 I feel like anyone dumb enough to be tricked by that is not going to bother reading the comment below, but that was nice of you lol. These guys have been everywhere lately :/
This dude was like “ah yes the LGBTs are the big gay and that gives them depression” Meanwhile me, a straight woman and all the other straight/cis people who are also depressed: 🫠 bro what
@Stoned Nihilist I am sorry to hear about how your family seems to have turned on you for losing your faith. Bad things happen to “good Christians” and good things happen to atheists too. It’s a very vindictive and naive world view in my opinion to believe that bad things happen to you because you have “strayed from God.” God is meant to be a compassionate and benevolent being and I really doubt, in his “otherworldly wisdom,” he would go out of his way to punish you specifically. Honestly, that idea to me is just stupid. If the Christian God is to be believed, one of the first gifts he gave to humanity was free will. Free will to question and to sin and to be imperfect and to just be you. Don’t let your family’s judgement get to you, you have every right to question your faith, love yourself and to follow your own path
@@khill8645 well God might call it a curse and all that but hehehe I wouldn’t consider it that though 👀 but who knows I’m an atheist so if I go to Hell then oopsies I’m burning alive lol. Also, is there a part in Genesis that states God cursed us with free will? Isn’t the point that when God created Adam and Eve they already had free will to act on their own, which they had to have free will to begin with in order to disobey God in the Garden of Eden?
@@daffadilly You wouldn't consider it a curse, even though God specifically says it's a curse for Adam and men to toil the fields in thorns and thistles, and a curse for Eve and women to painful labor during childbirth and be subservient to their husbands? Have you just never read Genesis?
@@khill8645 bro you literally said God CURSED humanity with free will. That’s not at all what any of this conversation was referring to. God created Adam and Eve with the free will to disobey him, otherwise they wouldn’t have been able to do so in eating from the tree of knowledge that he forbade them from. God had to have created us with free will, or else we could not have disobeyed him in the Garden of Eden and to say otherwise is a gross misinterpretation of Genesis. If God created humanity without free will, then they could not have been deceived by the serpent. And to be deceived by the serpent and to be bent to its whims without free will, would mean that God is less powerful than the serpent
As a Christian viewer myself, I actually enjoy these kinds of videos because they show what a bad Christian looks like. Ignorance and bigotry is not what this religion stands for, and I'm glad people with a platform call them out on it.
I hope you guys can finally get over all of this. The original Hebrew Bible was cool and not meant to be taken literally all the time. Too bad many bad men have added their own agendas into your religion.
Also, as someone that works in the hospital, all these people are fucking lying to you that they are not afraid of dying. Most people, even if they are strong believers, have apprehensions about death or at least worries about their loved ones. No one's on their death bed like,"Beam me up Jesus!!!!"
TW for self-annihilation Yeah, I know a lot of religious people (not just Christians, but most of them were) who are terrified of dying because they are afraid of going to hell... In rare cases this fear can be beneficial (I grew up christian and the fear of hell prevented me from ending my life) but for the most part it is just torturous. People are naturally afraid of death as it is, and this mindset adds a whole new layer of anxiety on top.
The thing that always gets me with "you shouldn't get an abortion, that pregnancy was God's plan for you" - ok, _you_ know what God's plans are? God's plans that the Bible says are unknowable? How do you know that person getting an abortion isn't also part of His plan? Oh, right, because "God's plan" just means "whatever I think is Right".
18:16 it hurts me so much as a SA victim to hear that there are people saying that it was a gift of god ? What the- ? As if the abuse was meant to be, as if I did something wrong to deserve it ? It brings me to tears honestly.
Was she also the Hispanic household? bc this coulda been my mom. It’s been really difficult seeing her try to understand her own trauma within the Christian framework, which can stay ethical but often veers into seriously fucked up victim blaming.
I mean, PERHAAAAPS what they meant was something like "the SA was terrible, but the pregnancy is a reward to make up for it"??? Still terrible (and implies that pregnancy is something everyone must be happy about), but at least a bit better? Or I'm just trying to be hopefull...
And what about ectopic pregnancy is that also gift from god? Or what about feotuses who disease that will kill them pre term or within days of birth? Delivery is difficult and dangerous. Imagine doing all that just to give birth to a corpse, instead of safely removing it as early as possible.
"agree to disagree" my Christian dad says, about racism. That's all you need to know about my feelings about my family. I'm sick of these people. How could someone say these things
Agree to disagree is when you both like different icecream flavours, not when you’re talking about whether people should or shouldn’t be discriminated against for their race or ethnicity, I can totally understand why you’re so angry and tired of them.
I swear these are my parents. They have no Problem saying racist shit but defend themselves by saying that they never spread feelings of hatred. Like, to them its ok to say racist things in the family, but they dont do it in public so its fine. And my mom goes on to say that what is said in the family stays in the family, so I would be a really bad person if I ever told anyone how racist she was. Like, she once even started talking about jews ruling the World in the shadows but ending with "but thats just a conspiracy theory". I hope she's not literally a nazi, but coming from everything else she says, I cant trust it just from her saying she isnt. She also has an irrational hatred for poor people. My parents immigrated from eastern europe to germany, and my father was really poor. But now they have succeeded. We live a pretty normal life. We are still working class, but I dont worry about not having anything to eat, and my house is really big so I'm more upper working class. My father didnt come from nothing, and he did get help, so he didnt pull himself up by his bootstraps, but he wasnt that wealthy either. My mom comes from a more wealthy family, her father was part of the violent enforcers of the state (the police) and made a lot of money from it. My parents believe that because they succeeded, other poor people should be able to do the same. First of All, they really shouldnt act like they come from the very bottom of the hierarchy. My father works really hard, to his detriment (he does not fucking sleep) but he says he enjoys working (he works form home). My mom does work, but because I have a young sister, she works part-time to also take care of her. Not that my father could do the same since he works from home💀. They expect the capitalist system to work for everyone, but they fundamentally do not understand that it isnt possible. The hierarchy of capitalism is in the shape of a pyramid, with the majority (the working class) at the bottom, and the minority (the capitalist/owner class) at the top. Anyone could succeed, but not everyone can. The rich literally need the working class to Function, they obviously arent going to pay them enough to be able to become wealthy, because that profit will go to your employee (the capitalist). There cannot be a capitalist class without a working class. The people at the top of the pyramid cannot exist without people below them. If pro-capitalists were so pro-meritocratic, they wouldnt be so anti-inheritance tax as they are. Inheritance is something you do not have to work for, it comes from getting born into the right family, which is completely random. But if capitalists do not think inheritance should be taxed, why do they claim that capitalism is a meritocracy? Elon musk is not a self made man, his father owned an emerald mine in africa. To be able to succeed, you're going to have to step on other people to get there, be lucky, or already be born into a rich family. My parents cannot comprehend seeing things from a different perspective. No empathy for anyone that is not like them. My parents are also extremely homophobic and transphobic. My mother forcefully outed me and is simply telling me I'm delusional and a blasphemer for implying god made a mistake. "I know you are an intelligent *girl* but it hurts to know you believe something so stupid" She went on an unhinged rant about gay pedophiles wanting to mutilate children and castrate them. I never said anything about surgery. I want to cut my hair and wear the clothes I want, but she doesnt like that. She actually believes theres a widespread issue where children are being confused and forced to transition medically, but I only know two people on my entire school who are out (Me and one of my friends) and she acts like I can simply go to a pharmacy and buy bottom surgery immediately😵. Thats not even how it works, I would have to go see a specialist for that first to even get my hands on puberty blockers. She's even surprised that I hate her. She doesnt even accept my existence, I'm stupid for caring more about people of colour than my own parents. I'm the delusional one for calling out my moms racism. I'm an idiot for caring more about poor people than my own family. Why should I care about a family that doesnt even care about me? Its always about her feelings, but she doesnt give a crap about mine. She stole my phone and outed my identity because she knew I was feeling depressed but wouldnt tell her. And then she tells me I'm delusional, I wonder why I didnt want to tell her. My brother was taken by CPS, he's not really in danger from my parents, but he is kinda lazy and doesnt want to try in school (thats only from my perspective, I could be wrong about it because there might be something bothering him that I'm not seeing) and he's also kinda feminine, a perfect target for bullies. My parents beat him and screamed at him for not doing his homework, maybe they have a point but I doupt beating him is going to make him want to do his homework. Not that I have any other ideas. Maybe he has dislexia or something, thats what I thought. But then my father told me that if a person works hard enough, they could get over their disability (he even mentioned homosexuality for some reason). He actually thinks people can simply get over cognitive disabilities, like its a bad thing that they have it and not that the disabled person is not being accomodated. Sorry for the amount of text, I had to get this out of my chest.
As a survivor of a series of sexual assaults where I thankfully wasnt at a risk of pregnancy. I still spent years being horrified of my body and the aftermath of that relationship. I likely would have died one way or another if I had become pregnant. And i don’t believe it’s fair to a child to bring them into a world where they serve as a reminder or as “proof” of a crime. My best friend became pregnant from an assault by their uncle at 11. They miscarried and they miss that baby girl every day, but they still worry they would have spent years resenting her, not to mention the abandonment from their family. Assault survivors who become pregnant and chose to keep the child are so incredible and brave, but those who wouldnt are just as incredible, just as brave. We are all survivors, and we deserve choices.
Not to mention that it shows clear ignorance of history. Slaves and Holocaust victims for example would perform abortions on themselves or get them in secret from someone else to prevent their children from being victims of genocide.
@@ngotemna8875 Right-wing starter pack: Socialism - not capitalism Agenda - when a minority shows up on television for at least two seconds. Feminism - when women are allowed to do things I don't want them to. "Let's go brandon!"- (compensation for lack of humour) George Floyd- drugs, duh Trans people - (1) you will never be a real _______ (2) (insert attack helicopter). (3) define "woman". Teaching kids that a man doesn't necessarily have to fall in love with a woman - p*dophillia Abortion - murder. "Lmao just birth the baby and give it up for adoption. It's soooo easy 🤡." Guns - "I may be pro-life but there is no other way to deal with those pesky illegal immigrants". Domestic violence - oh it's the woman's fault for not submitting to her role (this one is actually disgusting). Cops - Must support because they keep the black people away. US military - based terrorists Islamic people - enemies Red-pill alpha male - call every one else a beta/soyboy. Scream obnoxiously over women. Invalidate fat people. And last but not least, play the victim whilst trying to convince your 12-year old demographic that you are a mature, rational human being. In that way, you will have the freedom to demonise and degrade genuine victims without question.
Annamarie mentioning how much of Christianity is built around fear hit really close to home. I remember being 10 years old and watching "I went to hell" video w a Christian friend, and her telling me that when you dream of hell it means to actually went to hell.. I remember being so terrified to sleep after that, I think after a week of anxiety, and sleepless night i finally told my mom, her response was "oh, well children dont go to hell :)" which only made me worry about when i wouldn't be considered a child anymore, and if i would dream of going to hell. I still have a slight fear of going to sleep.
As a child raised Christian I would pray to die in an accident before I turned 18 because I was so convinced I’d go to hell if I was no longer considered a child. Any time I would have a “bad thought” I would apologize profusely to God because I thought that if I died right then, that one sin I’d committed would send me over the edge into damnation. Ever since I left religion, I’ve noticed just how many people have been traumatized by it.
s a m e. i remember in religion class the teacher was like after a certain age you will definetly go to hell and I was secretly hoping to die young because I didn't trust that I would be "sAveD" after becoming a teenager.
i had something similar, i was constantly scared that jesus would come back and i would go to hell bc of stuff i thought about (now i know it was literally just puberty doing it's thing)
Totally understand this. Even though I'm not religious anymore, I'm still paranoid about being punished even for the smallest things like intrusive thoughts. Talked about it with a therapist, and she told me it was religious trauma. So that's fun.
16:04 I just did the fattest eyeroll of my entire life when she said that like I'm so tired of people trying to force shame onto people that get abortions
That's my thing. If you have the balls to say something as wild as what they've been saying moat of the video, then they should have the balls to reveal themselves
I've always hated the "all sin is equal, therefore homosexuality bad" take because you can't put stealing from the cookie jar and killing someone on the same level of sin... like w- wh- i-
i get what you mean but also stealing from the cookie jar isn't really comparable to being gay bc being gay is a good thing yknow. it's more like "being happy and in love is on the same level as murdering someone"
@@ViolenceMakesTheWorldAfraid Isn’t it kind of a sun because you’re taking away someone’s life? Like yeah it’s illegal but even if it was legal or acceptable it would still be wrong wether it was seen that way by the world or not. Someone’s life is stolen yk? and I’m not really religious but I feel like that would be a sin I guess.
I was a baby born out of marrage and i think honesty I prefer it that way because I loved going to my parents' wedding at 3 and being able to witness them being married and being their flower girl. It will be a core memory for a long time :)
my parents had me grow up in a Christian church and it was very overwhelming and I had no idea how scary and terrified I was to die or "sin" everyday dude.. so I agree like 10000%
I also grow up in that kind of environment, and I must say I was very surprised that this people were not afraid to die. Because from my experience of talking to other christians was that their were very afraid, well to be fair, not afraid of death, but that their will go to hell... And As a ex-christian I find it so fucked up that this whole religion is based on fear and suffering...
My brother would have panic attacks about sinning and ending up in hell. He would constanty go through everything he did and thought (because we were raised and fundamentals and thought crime was a thing as in if you even had a sexual thought you were commiting adultery, if you had a violent thought you had commited murder in your heart etc) and convince himself he was ending up in hell.
right? like being introduced at 5 yrs old to the concept of "god" as basically an invisible guy who always knows when u do smt wrong (watch out! the definition of wrong changes often and randomly!) and knows all ur thoughts and is always watching u was probably like... a real bad idea LMAO
i would stay up at night crying and praying that the rapture would happen during my lifetime and/or hoping that i would die before i committed any sins so i wouldn't go to hell. i couldn't sleep somedays because of the "if i shall die before i wake i pray the lord my soul will take." prayer. i misinterpreted it and was absolutely terrified that god would kill me in my sleep. and even now that i don't believe in heaven or hell but sometimes i'll still break down crying, terrified that i'm going to hell because of my gender and sexuality or because of my mental issues. i don't like christianity.
I'm a trans lesbian who grew up in a evangelical household. All the rest of my family is devote Christians. When I came out they all said there were no signs and that I was wrong (blamed college lol), but there were so many signs when I was younger I was just abused for showing them so I learned to mask (they also don't believe I'm autistic). I wasn't surprised at some of the selfish statements made in this one because my whole family voted against gay marriage, calling it a grave sin and that they wouldn't do anything to support others sinning, but got upset that we didn't invite them to my wife's and my wedding. Honestly Annemarie's kinder than I would've been watching this, so props to you 👏
Congrats on getting married! How funny that they wanted to be invited at an event that they wanted to prohibit... Good luck dealing with them, and props to you for being you despite them trying to stop you.
"they're depressed, they're lonely all the time" was such an ironic sentence to me because when i look at all the christian influencers i've come across, they always seem so stressed and like they think they're happy but make themselves feel bad for doubting gods existence or this or that. if anything i'd argue they're the ones that feel sad and lonely.
I was sheltered my whole life by my conservative religious parents, and when I became an adult I got into some bad stuff like drugs and homelessness. I wanted to get tf out of it all and begged my parents to let me stay with them so i could be safe and get off drugs. They refused and made me stay on the streets which was a very dangerous and traumatizing situation for a young lady llike me. Years later I got away from it all (from a random family that let me stay with them lol), finally got a phone and called my dad. Surely he would be so proud of me for overcoming all those things! He told me he was disappointed, was convinced i was still an addict (I wasn't), and said the only way they'd let me back into the family was if I confessed my love for God. I said no and never spoke to my family again. If it's conditional, it's not real love.
This was weird to me bcs isn’t she (the women who talked about the orgy) homophobic?? Like you can’t do that and be homophobic (and call yourself straight lol)
i grew up in a very radically progressive and accepting religious environment, being allowed to experience both religions of my parents (catholicism & hinduism) & those of my friends too. my church has always been so radically loving and accepting; these people were so scary to listen to. I’ve heard about christians who are like this, but it’s so horrifying to actually hear. I’m so grateful to have been raised in a loving, caring, open, peaceful environment instead. i wish more people could have had that too :(
Fr. Extreme Christians are wayyyy too worried about all the wrong things and let abuse thrive in their communities because of it, sometimes on purpose. Please stop pretending that I, a pansexual man, am more of a danger to your child than your pedo priest.
As someone who used to be a Christian in the Bible Belt, I wasn’t surprised at all by their shit takes. Every time their indoctrination kicked in and they began rambling about how they’re all horrible sinners who need Jesus was so sad and frustrating.
Yeah I don’t think a lot of people got the memo that the self hate part of religion exists cause in the past education basically didn’t exist and that was the easy way for the people in power to assert some control lol
It’s a bit weird how they all talked about magnifying homosexuality and the lgbtq but didn’t talk about magnifying it ? Like it’s so weird when dressing immodestly , getting drunk, premarital sex, smoking, being rude , cheating,and hating others is a sin but it’s so easily brushed under the rug and will talk about hating the sin not the sinner and that it’s between them and god but don’t give that energy when it comes to the lgbt … it’s so hypocritical (which is also a sin btw) how they say Jesus died to forgive our sins but force the label of sinner to somebody minding their own business
@@zirarose3029 I believe the main reason fundie Christian dislike the LGBT+ community so much is because they view it as a threat to god’s perfectness. They believe god made relationships to be between a man and a woman, but the discovery of biological causes for homosexuality says otherwise. Fundies have to accept that either god isn’t perfect or that the Bible is wrong, and they don’t like either option. I believe that this is why they’re still so adamant in saying that homosexuality isn’t natural.
I like how that guy said the people outside planned pregnancy are offering to adopt people’s babies as if ANY prolifers actually care about the unwanted children once they’re born
That's weird that they went to Hell and it was just like it was described in the Bible when Hell was never described in the Bible. That would be Dante's Inferno
"They're depressed because they're gay" I was depressed far before I realized I wasn't straight. Forcing myself to be straight didn't help. Like, at all
Your "hot take" at the end had me screaming YESSSS. My dad has gotten more extreme with his beliefs over the years, to the point of saying similar things about looking forward to dying.
I have a friend at school and she is cis and straight but she is the most supportive ally I know, she uses our pronouns and stuff, she's using my new name and apologises everytime she accidentally uses my old one, and guess what? She's Christian! Honestly she is great and cool and the best ally I know And also saying that your fine with gay people but u don't like the lifestyle is so contradictory, for me being gay plays alot in my lifestyle?
I have a super christian friend who recently converted, she’s been subtly trying to convert us too which I don’t mind because I know she’s just following the church’s requests when they brainwash her. I went to youth group with her once and one of the leaders said his life was “perfect after joining the church”. Like bro n o. Also once she told us that she didn’t accept our “decision” to be gay but she supported us. I love her though and she’s still one of my best friends (Us is my friend group)
When I went to church and was open about my sexuality there were two kinds of Christians I’d deal with. One that was very vocal about being against it, and we’re usually more aggressive about it. You’d think these would be the worst kind of Christian to deal with but I think there’s a worse one. The other Christians I dealt with were people that wouldn’t say openly their opinions on the matter. They’d dance around the topic, or give vague answers. They’d wait for you to become a member of the church, till you made friends and find a sense of community. Then one day they sit you down and tell you what they really want from you. They wanted me to be celibate for the rest of my life. These kind of people made me leave the church and turn to atheism. They abuse your trust, make you think they see you as equal, but really they see you as a born sinner that’s need to repent for simply loving the same sex.
Ironically we are all born sinners so you are on equal ground lol. It's just they feel self-righteous enough to preach to you although I bet they have sins they wouldn't share with you.
they did the same with me but for being a woman and having big breasts. i was shamed by a 40 year old women for "trying to seduce her husband with my chest" because i wore a tank top in the middle of summer.....as a 9 year old. fucking 9.
My church thinks that a baby that was just born is born into sin nature and so it would go to hell despite doing nothing and it's just incredibly fucked up
As an ex-ultra Christian who struggled for years with their identity and how it defied God and was "wrong" hearing you repeat how being gay isn't something to be ashamed of or something to apologize for was incredibly helpful. Even though I've moved away from the community, there remains some guilt and shame for living as I am and it was really affirming to have someone remind me that it isn't anything wrong. Thank you Annamarie, proud to be part of the sinner family
I've been where you are and I'm so freaking proud of you. You are a beautiful example of a human being and nothing needs to change about you. I hope you know that now :)
Some of the answers from the Jubilee video are truly terrifying. The one person that said that abortion is worse than the Holocaust... I physically cannot deal when people say that, I stg. Say that to a Holocaust survivor and see what they say, I dare you.
I’m no longer Christian but my stepdad is a pastor and he has shown me what gods love should be: it should be compassion and kindness, especially for those who are no like you, it’s loving your neighbor and committing to be there for them, it’s inviting people to the table, not shoving beliefs down throats. And even though I’m not a believer anymore, my home is where I see god
This...this is exactly why I try to avoid Christians and religion in general. I can't help but always feel like I'm being judged and talked about when I'm in a church for who I am.
Second worst (to these guys) is the “THEY’RE NOT _REAL_ CHRISTIANS!!!” and “Not ALL Christians are like this!!!!” people who immediately then segue into proselytizing… like babes… are ya sure???? You aren’t doing a great job proving it!
I avoid church and church people for my life. I was forced to go to catholic church until I was 16 and let me tell you, I don't even wanna think about the messed up things I saw and heard in that hell of a place
In the actual bible, hell is described as being separated from God. YOu can argue that atheists are separated from God right now, and I dont think they are living in hell.
My notifications sound is the "bruh" sound effect and when you said "jubilee more like poop & pee" my notif went off immediately after and I cannot stop giggling like an idiot 😭
'it's almost like promoting an MLM' - you're almost there mate, Christianity IS a spiritual MLM, literally an sociological meme designed to be spread, one of the greatest methods of control ever devised
i grew up mormon and watching this made me remember so much of what i heard and went through when i was in the church. thank you annamarie for your wonderful input on all of this. i adore you
30:38 hey, former baptist here. i was raised in a christian household, and the fact that there are christians out there that teach 5 year olds to think like this (my experience) is terrifying. living through the pandemic as a young christian was genuinely terrifying for me because of my upbringing. i thought certain loved ones would die and go to hell, and it would be my fault. i'm a lot better with religion now; i'm also agnostic.
As a Christian lesbian, just gonna throw my interpretation out there- since the Bible is a book that can only be interpreted, not an instruction manual. And it’s like that on purpose, since an instruction manual would not age well and could not possibly apply to the future (It’s also been run through Google translate like 10 times due to language changes and is missing a LOT of context). Jesus led passively with a purpose, guiding through example- not force. He didn’t judge anyone, and welcomed non-believers with loving arms- no strings attached. They followed him because THEY chose to, they saw what he stood for and felt they could align. I personally believe that God has a plan for us in the same way people prepare for hurricanes- minimizing damage and focusing mostly on the aftermath. I believe we are allowed free will, to make our own choices- but He will help pick up the pieces. On the LGBTQIA+ topic, the only true reference to that is in the only testament. “Man shall not lie with man…” and could contextually be referring to the rampant issue of SA against servant boys by their “masters”. It’s also worth knowing that it is said in the same breath as listing others sins such as: taking loans, wearing mixed fibers, and especially eating pork. So any homophobic Christian who has a credit card, wears polyester, or eats bacon is just as bad- if not WORSE- than the “gays”. (All of which are widely accepted as just ~times have changed~) People who are bigoted will constantly look for anything to validate their beliefs and ignore anything contrary. I’m sure there are a million other people who have said this better but figured I’d throw this in for anyone who struggles with their faith and identity not lining up. Jesus preached love - so show that love. But Jesus also didn’t put up with any BS. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk lmao
Fun fact: the older bible had the “man shall not lie with man” as “man shall not lie with little boys” it wasn’t homophobic it was saying it was a sin to be a pedo, and also little boys isn’t exclusive, it means all children (most probably) as man is being used for all people. And if it isn’t being used for all people even if it was originally “man shall not lie with man” that would just be gay guys if we’re taking this completely by the book. And also the Bible doesn’t really say anything about trans people, so most people use the “man shall not wear a woman’s clothes” (I haven’t read the Bible) but that’s just crossdressing. Also I agree, the Bible was not an instruction manual and it was written by man, so it might not even be a sin to eat bacon or take loans or wear mixed fibers, they might’ve just suspected it. as I just said, humans wrote the Bible so we can’t 100% trust it.
Oh girl you're absolutely right that there are some Christians that have a superiority complex when they preach to others. There are some denominations/groups that even encourage that behavior.
As someone who grew up in the church, the anti-LGBTQ+ agenda my church had did quite the opposite of what it was meant to do. Now, I’m pansexual and much happier. (Still closeted to some people I’m unsure about) While in the church, I noticed a lot of the people had underlying trauma that made them feel pressured into Christianity. I’m in high school with someone who is in the church I went to, but she’s pretty chill. I also know some open lesbians who are cool, too. Moral of the story: of you’re chill, then people will be fine with you.
as a queer ex-Christian who is also an SA survivor, their opinions are so frustrating to me because they think that they're doing the right thing when what they're saying is very VERY detrimental. I got so heated with the opening questions because I've heard shit like that all my life. Becoming Christian does not make you magically straight!
My mom and I trolled the march for life's live on Facebook and it's absolutely horrible how many say that abortion is worse than slavery and the goddamn Holocaust
@@faiththeunknownbeing8126 Eugh. I recently figured out that it's best to argue with something sentient if you're going to do it at all after someone told me: "If the rate of trans people is 1% of the population that is still 30,000,000 people in the US that are transgender" I give up...
this is exactly why i feel very stand-offish around christians.. the majority of them that i've interacted with think the same way. i'm just glad i don't live in a religious country lol
I mean, yes, this is a certain type of Christians. But I've also met plenty of Christians who prioritize love and kindness over fire and brimstone. I think the fire-and-brimstone types are just louder and more organized.
Because in Christanity, there is only one right way of thinking. Jesus said to "to go through the NARROW way"...meaning there is only one path to being saved and you can't deviate from it and still be following God.
I, personally, was raised Christian. I'm 19, almost 20 now, and I only left the church I wanna say around a year ago. And I left when I realized something, because growing up I had always been around very welcoming Christians, and was not raised on many of the beliefs the people in this video agree with. My father, who molested and abused me for years, could be saved because in his heart he is still a Christian, and he has said God has forgiven him for his sins. But I, as a trans pansexual man who left the church, would be damned to hell because I do not want to be in a heaven with the man who made my life a nightmare.
I relate to this on a unsettling level. I am a 16 year old, gay, transgender man. My uncle, a straight, catholic, abusive, sexually harassing predator got “forgiven” by god. While I am damned to burn in the fires of hell according to him. I’m sorry you had to go through this. I really am. You didn’t deserve to get put through this. Bless your soul 🙏🏳️🌈💖🏳️⚧️
Every time Calvin’s silhouette’s head popped to the side, you can tell he felt personally attacked by someone not agreeing-especially on the abortion clinic topic. That man 100% has picketed outside one of those clinics and/or signs off on the practice.
Ikr. Also the whole "offering to adopt their children" is a fucking lie to convince people to go through with an unwanted pregnancy, has probably said it himself with no intention to do so.
I´m trans and i´ve had been sexual abused in my childhood. So, like you said, its really violent hearing some of these people talk like that about ra*e. Being abused in my life (ironically, by my catholic family) cursed me and assuming my gender saved me. Great content, love from Argentina😘🥰
I appreciate you responding to this video and talking about just how disgusting some of these takes were. Massive trigger warning for the next part but I am a survivor of r*pe. At the time I didn’t know that’s what it was ( I was 15 and it was my bf at the time) and if he had gotten me pregnant I would not be here. The only “gift of life” that’s come out of that is the fact it never happened. And if I did make it through I would not be in one piece, mentally or physically. If I had gotten pregnant and was forced to keep the child I promise you that would not have stopped him from continuing to assault me. I’ve never wanted kids, but knowing that, how could you force someone to put a child through that? Do you think that child would have grown up okay knowing how they were conceived? Cause there’s plenty of people who did and some will tell you what it’s really like. This happened almost five years ago (almost the anniversary of me finally leaving him) and I’m in a safe environment with a very loving partner now who knows about my trauma and does what he can to support me. People do not take into account the mental state of the already living breathing person and I garuntee they have not been through anything close to what I have to hold that rancid opinion. And I can only hope they never end up dealing with it either. I may not like them but nobody deserves that. In good news, I have an appointment later this month set (yay planned parenthood) to try to go on hrt!!! I always try to end stuff like that on a good note so I and others reading don’t spiral.
That being said I’m not sure I can finish this video. I love your content but this one is too much for me. ❤ if I’m ever feeling up to it I may but clearly this has gotten me a bit worked up.
@@saltydinonuggies1841 Totally valid dude, always do what you can within your own limits, don't push yourself. Also I am so glad you are starting HRT and are in a better place now, congratulations!
on the topic of abortions. As someone who was a product of rape, but was kept, i still strongly beleive that womens rights are human rights. It is the RIGHT of the woman to choose.
as a person who has s3xual trauma, people like this suck. i can't imagine if i was forced to have a kid that came from someone that not only harassed me, but also violated and harmed me. can you imagine having to have a child that looks like, sounds like, or reminds you of an insanley traumatic event and person everyday?? horrible.. people are disgusting sometimes.
I was also raised in a Roman Catholic household, I went to catholic school my entire life and didn't start to question it until I was about 18 or 19. I realized that part of my anxiety came from the pressure of being perfect and not committing any sins and the guilt of christ having died for me and I was messing everything up. Ever since I stopped going to church my dad has been trying to guilt me back in, but I have resisted. The time it hit a new low, though, was when my grandpa passed away and I was wrecked, my father hugged me and said "these are the moments when catholics can find comfort in knowing we'll see each other again. for atheists this is the end" and I just hated that, it just cemented my current ideas on catholicism.
My mother who has a couple doctorates is also a Cuban Catholic, the mix of those two manifest in a rather messed up way. One day we where arguing about LGBTQ+ rights, and she decided I was old enough to have some "truth" dropped into my brain pan and hopefully change my "childish ways" cause I need to grow up. So she told me that while yes she has many friends (and her only brother too) who are gay, and she loves all of them but it doesn't change that nobody who is gay can be happy since they all have had trauma and therefore they are incapable of being happy. The thing that broke my brain for a moment was that she clearly believed everything she said was as true and real as the gulf of Mexico.
Wait,I’m cuban too and my mother basically says the same (although i’m bisexual and confessed it to her, she has a really close cousin thats gay and friends who are gay) I feel like there’s a big taboo in Cuba about homosexuality or lgbtq in general (Although they just legalized same sex marruage so wohoo🎉) but still i feel like thats what they’ve been hearing from their parents,grandparents etc. That gay people are gay because of trauma or because of “something went wrong with them”.Or that we’re perverse or confused. So sad but whatever . Love is love 🏳️🌈
@@lorensofia7806 Yep you are correct... however I've noticed a four way split when it comes to our people that are radically opposed to what is held as gospel truth. Also two distinct dialects of Cuban Spanish. Heck I tested the religion waters once with her asking if protestants can become catholics can catholics become protestants, her reply was that no once you are catholic you stay that way since it's the only true religion. Meanwhile I'm my religion puts out comments questioning itself. The trick to staying sane and happy is either look for the progressive folks so you can back up each other or cut off the conservatives be cause they will utterly destroy you and they will be certain that they are helping you I mean after all how can you possibly know better than them about what you want and need. If it makes you feel better there are reasons for all of this. Including lead poisoning, a metric shit ton of propaganda and similar attacks by a handfull of goverments and international corporations, and systematic racism, sexism, and other sources of mass trauma that produce alot of self hatred.
The very sad thing is that you can get a PhD by simply learning everything by heart and without challenhing yourself much intellectually. And not only do these people like your mother suffer unknowingly from not actually learning to think for themselves, the general public and the scientific community also suffers from it because people like this don't usually make science go forward. This reminds me of a guy who got a physics PhD without ever understanding the scientific method, and he would fake all the results in his papers by calculating what they would look like based on theory. His papers were insanely popular because his "findings" were absolutely incredible and gave hopes to lots of other scientists. When it was revealed it was all fake, the world of physics as a whole suffered greatly, and it was a big setback, because many people were losing time trying to replicate the fake results. Many careers were impacted, and some people even left science as a whole out of frustration.
As a Catholic trans dude, I've learned to disconnect my Christian beliefs from these kinds of asses, but it still pisses me off every single time. Y’all are all valid.
I thought that what the hispanic woman was saying was that people act like being gay is a huge horrible thing, and that they don’t say anything about real sins like pedos, but maybe I’m lying to myself edit: just saw the abortion thing, good lord I was delusional having faith in her
I think she experienced a lot of sexual trauma at a young age and has convinced herself that either it wasn't that bad, or it was "God's plan". The same thing happened to me after experiencing SA as a young teen. Of course, I could be wildly incorrect, but it just seems like she's traumatized and doesn't really realize that. I hope she's able to get to a good non-Christian therapist tbh
As someone who is Hispanic, yes some people (Christian/Catholic) do really protect the abuser in the family and are hush hush about it whereas, they outright condemn people are gay, etc. It’s a fucked up mentality, which is why I stopped being religious, amongst other reasons. However, her comparing the two as the same sin is more levels of fucked up but that’s the church for you. :)
One year at my Christian summer camp, one of the leaders brought up a girl from his church. He goes, "This is A. This time last year, we prayed over her bisexuality. We prayed that she would be delivered from homosexuality. And, this year, she has been delivered! Isn't that right, A?" And she says yeah. Later a small group of us are hanging out in our cabin (all of us gaybies). We asked if it was true, and she says, "yeah I was delivered from bisexuality...now I'm just a lesbian." I miss her, she was fun
She is my hero.
She sounds cool as hell. Glad she figured out her identity. She really pulled the Uno Reverse card on them.
@@viridianacortes9642 Mine too. Mine too.
i rlly wish more Christians would see how absolutely mind numbingly stupid homophobia is
like dude they're lgbt, tht's fine. Jesus would respect them and love them so why shouldn't you?
Awesome origin story
fun fact! i was disowned by my entire extended family for being a lesbian, while they still love an accept a literal convicted murderer because he "repented" my guy the victim is still dead
That’s why I ain’t come out yet… I’m gonna be on my grandparents will no matter what 💅🏻
@@ohno3622 that's kinda messed up though, lying to your grandparents like that
@@sworddash2365 it’s more messed up that they have to hide who they are or else risk getting thrown out of the family.
@@sworddash2365 It’s kind of messed up that they don’t feel safe or supported enough to come out in the first place. Also no one owes anyone anything, they are aloud to come out or not come out when they want or when their ready.
@@sworddash2365 not coming out isn't lying lmao
"You can't sin but I can" is the vibe I get from some of the Christian community.
no that is so accurate for almost all christians i have met
i’d say most lmao
as someone that goes to a catholic school I can confirm, they do act like this
@@CivicN17 girlie Christians litterally yell racist and homophobic things and then declare they are morally right because theyre Christian and everyone else is going to hell... Like- that's more arrogant than anything
@@CivicN17 "SOME" is the keyword my guy
If someone told me face to face that being impregnated by rape is a gift I would immediately go for the face
I would go for the nuts
It would be best if instead you kick them in the private part because of how painful it is and I speaking from experience since I found it more painful than getting hit in the face.
Makes you think why do we hear so many stories about pedo priests and pastors~
@@gabbyg5786
What if they don’t have nuts?
@@sharojak9401 Crotch-kick is still painful regardless of genitalia shape, so that should still work
"if she had an abortion then I wouldn't have my husband" Damn that might be one of THE MOST selfish reasons I've ever heard for being pro life.
Even though vibrators exist... discostang mindset.
Also that’s always such a weird argument to me? “If ___ had an abortion then ____ wouldn’t exist.” Okay so if they didn’t exist then you wouldn’t be able to miss them because they never existed? These people act like they have access to alternate universes
Right??? Like that woman never would have found a husband if her current husband had never been born 🙄🙄
also like theres several billion people on Earth, so again if her husband had never existed, shed have no idea of him even as a concept. She’d probably still find someone, she’d probably still have basically the same relationship, and she’d never know about him. I dont get it when people talk about ‘if xyz never existed’ outside of anything more than a joke because if something never existed, you wouldn’t be aware of that.
So the whole ‘if he was aborted id be sad and lonely :(‘ doesnt even make sense.
Lmao like maam if he didnt exist to begin with you wouldnt miss him. Such a weird argument
i hate when people say “there are other options than abortion” when the foster care system is already overflowing & these people don’t do anything to help those children as is.
"There will always be people willing to adopt"
**"so you adopt to help the issue...or hell adopt my baby so I don't have to abort it...."**
"WhAT D: oh no I'll pass on that issue to someone else" - "self righteous" Christian
@@somebodyoncetoldme2664 These people(These kinds of Christians or religious people) don't care, they've never really cared about anyone aside from making themselves superior
Not to mention how expensive it is to give birth in the US, the toll it takes on your body, and that you could even die in the process
@@aiaikawa4012 Like I've stated before, before my comment was removed, they don't actually CARE about it, they couldn't care less about the kids or the people birthing them
All they care about is having their idea of how life is meant to be lived, followed and worshipped without question
not to mention still as much as it's cold to say, doing irreparable damage to your body for a child you werent planning nor do you want, plus them having to grow up knowing they were given away, it's just not worth it
There's no hate like christian love🥰
So true.
amen 😍
There's no love like christian hate 🥺💖
@@kingofjustice6961 me when I lie:
Sadly that is true.
My dad is from a very religious, Christian family and my mom is Jewish. His siblings used to send conversion packets/pamphlets to get my mom to convert and to keep them from raising me and my brother Jewish. One day, in a particularly disgusting attempt at conversion, one of my aunts decided to say something along the lines of "if you don't convert, you'll never get to see your dead daughter in the afterlife." For context, my twin sister was born with an unknown disease that she died from when we were 11 months old. After my dad's sister did that my parents completely cut off almost all contact from his siblings. I've only ever met most of them a couple of times, which I'm fine with honestly 😅
It looks like she won't be either...
that’s so disgusting. in what world would someone think that’s an okay thing to say?
Why would anyone think that's appropriate to say? Or that it would convert someone? Wtf? Sorry OP
oh my
hell nah, I would have cussed them out for that. how the fuck are you gonna come after MY FAMILY for being a different religion. they didnt even try to understand why your mom is jewish bro
Nothing says "God loves you" more than "you should feel shame for existing."
“God-fearing” being something to be proud of also. Like sorry?? You find it good you’re required to FEAR your deity of worship?
@@DeathnoteBB the ultimate case of Stockholm syndrome
@@DeathnoteBB and also the "god tells me to do good or I go to hell" thing... LIKE-
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE THREAT OF ETERNAL SUFFERING TO BE A GOOD PERSON???
my dad is, in my gay opinion, the most supportive man on earth.
he's a single 54-year-old heavily Christian man with two autistic kids, one aroace and one trans lesbian.
he's so insanely kind, and always willing to help or tag along on pride parades, climate marches, whatever.
he's a feminist to the core, and left an old church because of their homophobic views, giving them a speech in pure anger (ive never seen him angry btw) before he left on how what they think is hateful and wrong.
my dad is honestly amazing and im so grateful to have a dad like him, he would smack these people across the face with a bible.
edit: my dad really cares about people, no matter who they are. he has a mug with a photo of paddington bear that says "migration is not a crime" and that speaks for itself
W dad
your dad sounds like a cool guy
W ally dad. you can still love christ and not identify with christianity. shit the bible itself says to pray in isolation not with a group of others. in theory the church is purely anti-bible lmao
KINGGG OMGG i wish more men and more christians were like him. we ❤ your dad
tell your dad that what he does matters. seeing this made my day.
I’m also from a Hispanic house hold & I do agree that sexual abuse is brushed under the rug way too much, but saying that being an abuser is the same thing as being gay or queer in general is so fucked up. Gurl- they are far away from ever being the same thing. 💀
I feel like what she was saying there wasn't that being queer is as bad as being a predator but that people focus on queer issues while sweeping SA under the rug. Which isn't a good argument because 99% of the people who advocate for queer issues also advocate for better education about consent and justice for people who are assaulted
@@idontknow898 yeah I got a similar sentiment from that response. It seemed like she just wanted to highlight how families will focus on the gay uncle or cousin but choose to ignore the abusers past.
Oh my god, it’s so annoying when people say that lgbtq+ individuals are groomers simply for just existing. Yes, there are abusive queer people. You know what there also are? Abusive christians. Abusive priests, even. By raising a child to be strictly christian, is that not grooming them to be a servant for the church? Makes no sense.
It sucks that she's only gotten as far as realizing "they're both bad," and hasn't realized only sexual abuse is bad. She's trying to compromise on something that can't truly be compromised on.
I’m going to hell for being gay but Uncle Ernest is just misunderstood, he’s just in need of family love and understanding. Mmhmm
One of my friends told me that she was sent to a christian camp for “therapy” after coming out as *asexual.* When she came back, her parents asked her if she was cured and she told them “I’m not sure, I still don’t feel like having s*x”
She legit comes up with the kind of comebacks I make up 2 weeks after an argument.
Honestly idk why their parents were complaining about, celibacy is a very holy gift lol.
What did they do to her in rehab?
@@CrossTheBeliever I second this. *what did they do*. I am worried for her
@@CrossTheBelieveryou mean conversion therapy or better sayed torture as declared by the human rights.
That’s insane. Based on their own beliefs on sexuality and sin, we asexuals should be the least of their concerns. That would be close to being a nun lmao why would you be looking for ‘a cure’?
"What if you could speak your mind without the fear of judgement?"
WHAT IF YOU COULD LOVE SOMEONE WITHOUT THE THREAT OF VIOLENCE
FR LIKE DAMN YALL CAN DO THIS BUT WE CANT BE OURSELVES WITHOUT GETTING DEATH THREATS?
If someone's house is on fire and someone is inside the house would you say oh I don't want to warn them as I wanted be 'loving' to them. Or would you shout at them telling them of the danger of the fire and telling them to leave the house. Wouldn't that be more loving. That is the position for us Christian. The bible clearly states whoever doesn't repent and have faith in Jesus Christ will go to hell. So it would be very evil of us to not tell you the truth of hell and what happens to people who never have faith in Jesus Christ and don't repent. Wherever people hate it not we only preach the gospel for your own good so you can go heaven. Also how are Christians causing violence since the bible doesn't support it and also if you don't believe in hell why do you care about what we say? 🤔 Repent and have faith in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. God bless you and your family and your loved ones in the Mighty name of Jesus Christ I pray Amen❤️🙏🏾
@@akinibitoye7908 I appreciate you took the time and energy to fully explain your thought process. We as individuals need to understand that not everyone has the same religious beliefs. Some of us aren't religious at all. You shouldn't use God as a weapon to promote your discrimination. The concept of using a higher power as a scapegoat to control people is childish and immature. Its like yelling at other kids to not play ball because your mommy told you. Do not use the Bible as a shield for your hatred.
Also the constant threats of eternal suffering if one doesn't follow the cherry picked rules put in place is violent. It promotes the idea that LGBT individuals are inherently evil, causing followers to dehumanize and abuse them.
@@akinibitoye7908 actually it’s more like you’re screaming at us that you believe that the house is on fire and it isn’t proven whether it is or isn’t on fire but you’re screaming at us to get out of the house immediately or we’ll go to a horrible place without proving it exists. Stop trying to force people to believe what you believe if they don’t want to.
@@akinibitoye7908 Also if a Christian shoots someone because they’re Christian that suddenly doesn’t make them not a Christian because they broke a rule
guilt tripping a SA victim by saying they’ve been given the “gift of life” reminds me of saying “well at least your trauma made you stronger/ who you are today😋”…. no .
Agreed. The only time something like this hours be said is as a reflection AFTER someone has healed or "gotten over" their traumas. It is not something you say to someone who still is struggling with difficult things because it's insensitive and their struggle isn't over yet
The emoji is killin me ☠️
"no, you see, you should be *happy* that I've shattered your bones, because they'll grow back stronger!"
Seriously… and when you say “Well I wish it hadn’t.” they balk like _you’re_ the monster, as if they didn’t just say they’re happy you were abused
If youre really lucky youll get the 2 in 1 special: 'god gave you the gift of trauma to make you into the person he planned for you to be'
11:38 I met someone in college who thought they'd been "cured" of being gay. Knowing him was how I realized it's not possible. Saw him in the mall about a week after I met him looking at buff guys in magazines and the look of longing on his face was so heartbreaking I almost cried right then and there in the middle of the mall. (I was well into my deep denial period so I didn't because "guys don't do that" but that's another story) That was actually the start of a long journey that ended up with me as a member of the alphabet mafia and an agnostic person myself.
HAHAAHHA I'VE NEVER HEARD THE TERM ALPHABET MAFIA, I LOVE IT AND IT WILL NOW BE REFERING TO LBGTQ+ AS THE ALPHABET MAFIA FROM NOW ON THANK YOU KIND CHOPPER FOR SHOWING ME THE WAY.
I feel like "Alphabet Mafia" should be reclaimed and you've started that ball rolling.
@@VforVendettas Its been reclaimed, or in the process of, for a while now, Ive been using it since I came out a year or 2 ago lol
I’m so happy for you, and I hope the other guy you mentioned is doing well.
I'm almost 19 years old. I have an 8 month old son. I was r@ped but I chose to keep my baby. Yes, I view him as a blessing. He's the the most important person in my life! I love him and adore him more than anyone but even though I did decide to keep him, people constantly made me feel like if I didn't decide to keep him, I should be shamed for it. That I'd be a horrible person and didn't appreciate this "gift from God". Yes, I decided to keep my son. I'm incredibly happy but I still think it was incredibly disgusting how I felt so little support for if I had chosen the other option. Even people who knew it was r@pe tried to push me very heavily to keep him. I think it's incredibly gross for people to try and convince SA victims to keep a baby who was a product of SA. I'm lucky I'm so happy with my baby because I fully understand for others that could be way too traumatic to keep the child and go through that. My heart goes out to all fellow SA survivors
100% agreed. i hope you & your son are doing well and i hope you're healing
@@AnnamarieForcino Thank you so much! I'm genuinely happy people are willing to call out the way some Christans guilt trip SA victims! My son and I are doing great though, thank you! I don't think of him in a bad light. I like to say he was just unplanned! I love him unconditionally! He's really helped me to grow and heal! 😊❤️
Also, I wanted to add I've heard many, many people tell me I'm very "strong" for keepin him and I "did the right thing" as if getting an abortion makes someone weak and is strong- I've never experienced it but I do understand you have to be extremely strong to do that sorta thing
I bet it was a very difficult decision for you. I hope you are healing from your experience. Women who go through those things are the strongest women, no matter what they decide to do after. All the love and respect to you and your son. 💜
Them pressuring you to keep your baby is to make themselves feel righteous. It has nothing to do with your best interests or that of your unborn child.
I’m so glad you made the right decision for yourself. I hope you have good support moving forward and wish you much healing and happiness. 💕
It's strange that the man sitting with his face shrouded in darkness and a voice changer has the gall to be calling LGBT+ people "ashamed."
I mean, we literally have a yearly event called "Pride".
He's just shy. Let them be lol
@@gsleazy1975 No. :)
@@gsleazy1975 No.
@@gsleazy1975 no.
Dmitri says they understand the trauma that queer people are put through by Christians and then shares beliefs that actually trigger trauma responses in me. When they started talking about “”God” delivering people from homosexuality” I was sent back to an extremely traumatic event that happened in my childhood where a church goer said the *exact* same thing to me.
If you claim to understand that someone is being abused and then consciously take part in that abuse, you are a bad person, and any god would frown down upon you.
It really sucks that their version of God is an abusive asshole
That one “abortion is worse than the holocaust” had me shitting my pants bruh 🙁🙁🙁 WHAT
Too many pro-life people say that, and it's completely asinine. The LaBrant family compared abortion to the holocaust and slavery
people who say that owe every jewish person $200,000 and a dinner
@@TheWillikerz here in Tennessee I’ve heard it compared to both lol shits insane. I’ve literally heard people say “200 years from now, we’re gonna look back on abortion the way we look back on slavery now. “ we’re also anti abortion with no exceptions (r’pe incest etc)
I’ve been thinking about the holocaust lately because just a few generations back I would 100% have been a victim. It was so much more than killing people. It was systematic dehumanization that caused abuse and trauma, people feared for their lives and some were experimented on, unethically, because they didn’t see us as people, so we were disposable Guinea pigs. They tortured us and made our lives a living hell. It is unexplainably disgusting to compare that to an abortion. Made me fucking furious.
Anyone comparing genocide to anything to further their argument needs a lesson in empathy. I'm German and my great grandpa spent 1938-45 in concentration camps because he was a member of the communist party. He somehow survived (probably because he was low on their list, being a Caucasian man) but entirely broken afterwards, barely talking, just waiting for his turn to die. My grandpa was 5 when he was taken and 12 when he was freed, never expected to see him again. It's bizarre to consider that he was one of the lucky ones because he survived.
My mom wanted to get pregnant so bad, she missed her period once and ran to a planned parenthood, there were people outside berating her calling her a murderer, they didn’t know how much she wanted a baby. Those protesters outside planned parenthood are abusive and wrong.
Probably cause by going to a Planned Parenthood, you are supporting abortions regardless if you are getting one or not.
Kinda like how vegetarians say going to McDonald's supports animal abuse even if you are only getting non-meat options. Or how some LGBT people say by eating Chic Fila you are against LGBT people since the owners support conversion therapy.
@@kpoppy9635 yeah, cause your health totally depends on whether you go to chick fila or not
@issecret1 I think you are missing the point. Some people just make generalizations about others based on the establishment they support even if there are other reasons why someone might use those services.
@@kpoppy9635 planned parenthood does a lot more than abortions. They offer all kinds of care for people planning their families and parenthood. Comparing healthcare to fast food is quite a leap.
@Jordan Fraser yeah like I said, people make generalizations.
You aren't getting the point. It was just another example.
I was also heavily involved with the church. I remember one instance where everybody was discussing how homosexuality is the same as any sin and I said no, it definitely is not. I was immediately repriemended and belittled by everybody in the room, and I can remember realising that if this is just a fraction of the shame and humilation that is constantly imposed on members of LBGTQ community, that I couldn't be part of the problem. That was my catalyst for leaving the church. By the way, they all pat each other on the back as they quote things like 'love the sinner, not the sin'. It's pretty sickening stuff.
Adoption is extremely traumatic and they don’t even offer free therapy for birth parents. I hate when people say “just choose adoption”, like it’s so simple. It makes me so mad!
right! the foster care system is so fucked up in the US and leaves many children scarred for life.
Also it’s the entire process of pregnancy as well. You can develop anemia, diabetes, and more simply by being pregnant.
Also any couple who offers to adopt your child just because you needed to get an abortion is one of the threats no child should ever have to be anywhere near of. There's something very sinister about only caring about life when it challenges their views. For all you know they might be looking to raise brainwashed members for their religious or political cult, or even use the fact that they adopted an almost aborted child as a Facebook argument then shortly disown the child.
Most people who say that have never done it, and that's why they say it.
I'd bet most of these people haven't lived outside their black and white lives. Or the people who have done gray to them have polarized it away with scripture. The air of judgement in so many Christians tones, when that is one thing they are NOT supposed to do astounds me. They want to do what the book says, but not what it teaches.
Oh, yeah, it's the human incubator and sperm donor that suffer. Forget the fact that most adoptive kids have to live through the horror; while bio parents just get to move on and have a new family.
If someone legally can’t adopt they shouldn’t be forced to give birth.
_…Nobody_ should be forced to give birth
@@DeathnoteBBi think their point is more like people in poverty or people dealing with drug problems arent allowed to adopt bc its an unsafe environment and these people will still be forced to give birth. like obviously nobody should be forced to give birth but this is a separate point
@@spacecase2493I interpreted it as an age thing. You need to meet an age requirement in order to adopt, so it's wrong to have children carry babies they can't support when the system says they can't legally adopt because they're underage
@@ChelseyCunninghamits wrong to force adult people to give birth too
@koii319 oh yeah, I know that
i personally find the argument of "if my husbands parent weren't raped then he would never exist and that makes me sad" like, if your husband never existed, you wouldn't know, you wouldn't care, he wouldn't ever exist and hence it doesn't matter
I'm so glad someone else had this same exact thought I did! Those people are delusional
“Queer people are more depressed” my brother in Christ the mental illness was WORSE when I believed I was straight 😭
SAMEE 😭😭
exactly 😭
I vividly remember sitting in a room with my old therapist (he was the best therapist I've had and I miss him. Unfortunately, my parents ripped me away from him because they are transphobic) and I had just recently gone on T. I was particularly giggly that day and he noticed. He told me before I went on T he had not once heard me laugh or seen me smile once in any of our sessions. I've seen him for a few years prior to that session.
Had I not transitioned or found out I am trans I don't think I'd be a happy person. I was always stressed out and dysphoric.
@@Local_custard thanks for sharing this! I agree, being able to accept I wasn’t cishet was such a game changer for me and I’ve honestly felt a lot happier since. When you finally let go of what everyone your entire life has told you you have to be, you feel a lot less burdened, even if there’s still bumps in the road along the way
RIGHTTTT 😭
as someone who went through a traumatic SA event when I was 12, had I gotten pregnant from that, and someone told me it was a gift…I would no longer be here. That would’ve put the nail in the coffin. That way of thinking is doing immense harm and is honestly the most ignorant and uncaring thing someone can say about victims of SA. Holy shit…
They actually said that you ? When you where a f**king minor ?!?! Excuse my French but that is disgusting! I’m so sorry I hope your healing ❤️🩹
@@bluesky2925 no that's not what they said, just read it again. but some people do obviously say stuff like that to SA victims and it's it's absolutely horrible.. i can't imagine having to live with the trauma of the SA and ALSO the burden of pregnancy and people around you expecting you to just accept it as a positive gift...
I’ve personally never experienced the horror of SA, but as someone who was in religion that also typically views those outcome as “a gift” it makes my blood boil to no end. I’m baffled how anyone could be so concerned and supportive of a being that doesn’t even exist yet vs a victim and survivor of SA who is a whole existent person and have the fucking audacity to say it’s some kind of miracle and blessing
give me there addresses no reason i just wanna talk with them
@@secondary_yt no one told them that tho, it was just hypothetical
These people believe that a child being neglected/abused by a resentful parent is better than being peacefully unware of the horrors of the world. This is why I left the church.
I don’t understand any of these viewpoints at all but it’s breaking my brain trying to comprehend why that girl who’s “had orgies with females” can also say that she thinks homosexuality is a sin
Duh, cuz she repented and is a born again virgin, so now she's above all the other sinners /s
She’s scared to accept that part of herself bc of religious trauma. She just hasn’t realized that yet. I hope she comes to terms with it. She owes herself that
It’s the denial
Well she be used both of those things as a sin. People have done things that they view morally wrong, and still condemn those actions. I'm honestly surprised that she's so open about it, but I guess the anonymity contributes.
Still, I am boggled. That someone that used to be so open with themselves, maybe they found that it wasn't for them, but still condemning that and choosing to be more conservative and condemning others who don't follow that is funky
also her saying “females™️” rubbed me the wrong way too
My dad told me I was teaching my siblings satanic ideology and was bringing them to hell with me because I supported them when they came out to the family 😭
What the heck 😭
My mother has told me something similar because I took my sister to watch a kids movie that had a lesbian couple. They were shown very briefly...😒
@@crystalc4398 was that lightyear by any chance?
You are girl you are
I was the 666th like🥰
It’s depressing(but not at all surprising) that when these “loving christians” are given the ability to say what they really think with no repercussions, they instantly turn into horrible people.
my elementary teacher “was” gay.. i went to a tiny private christian school, and they wouldn’t hire a gay man no matter how good of a christian he was, or his teaching skills. so he married a woman, and had 3 kids. it’s clear he was never fully converted no matter how many chapel sermons he tries to speak at saying otherwise. the kids at that homophobic school still make fun of the way he is, regardless of his wife and kids and the way he says he’s “straight now.” he’s a great teacher and very loving but apparently since you can’t be a christian AND be gay, he had to try to pray the gay away to get this job..
@Stoned Nihilist the thought haunts me! wasting the short time you have living a lie in shame.
It always reminds me of this post I saw of a person saying gay people shouldn’t be teachers and a person responded saying “if they can teach my child the difference between there, their and they’re, I don’t care who they are”
As an SA surviver I couldn't even imagine if I got pregnant from an assault and had to have a child. I was so scared and full of hatred and desperation all these years, the idea that I could suffer much more with a child from that trauma makes me shiver with my whole body.
After 7 years all your cells regenerate so soon or now they will never have met you
These people just have no empathy. They wouldn't take the few seconds it takes to try and put themselves in your shoes to understand how horrible of a situation that would be, and they'd blurt out some pre-manufactured god related buzzwords at you... I can't believe how violent these interviewees were towards SA survivors.
"Pro-life" people are monsters
I had a super atypical Christian upbringing. I was raised by two leftist progressives that had queer friends their whole lives, and the church we went to was equally progressive and even gayer. It was mostly a bunch of queer/agnostic or otherwise left leaning people that believed in universal unconditional love. To this day, my church still marches in the local pride parade. So weirdly, I probably would have come out and accepted myself sooner if i had been more involved with my church.
Gay churches give me so much hope 💗
What’s up! Transgender Christian here!
To me, calling myself a Christian is less about God or Christ or Heaven and Hell and more about doing a very literal “What would Jesus do?” with how I go about life. The answer is so often: be good, be kind, be charitable, and many other things. Live by the seven virtues and love one another. Be kind and understanding and don’t push down people who are worse off. Life is hard already, we don’t need to make it harder by refusing to show compassion
Exactly this. The best one can do, not just for a God or a deity, but for yourself and other human beings as well, is show love and compassion towards others.
Jesus was incredibly based ngl
and to me, while the only way TO get into heaven is to Confess your sins, and prove that you deserve to have Jesus forgive you of them, generally being a good person, and just standing by the most bare-bones teachings of the bible is the most effective way OF confessing sins without actually practicing
As someone who grew up in a very toxic religious environment, I LOVE your perspective
Hell yeah dude! Love seeing LGBTQ Christians show up!!
I am here early to say I'm bisexual and i went on my first date with a woman yesterday and she let me kiss her cheek and i almost had a heart attack i love women so much lol.
that’s so cute!! happy for you :)
Love to hear it!!!
🥺🥺🥺What a wonderful world💕
Bi crew 👋and yay, good for you!
Luv it
This is kind of off topic from the video but, as a trans guy, lately my dysphoria has been thru the roof. And it’s actually super nice to hear you say there’s nothing wrong with transgender people! It warms my heart a bit and really made my day, so thank you 💚
Hey man you're completely valid stay swag 😎
See so the guy in the video was right, you've been looking for validation. You don't need anybody to validate what you are or are not, you are your own person and should think for your own self.
Critically analyze it, if you're trans, which I hope you haven't deactivated your genitalia or some crazy shit like that, you're basically saying God made a
mistake.
You've been dealing with self identity, possibly falling into depression, asking why you were made the way you were and last but not the least, have been looking for validation knowingly or unknowingly.
But hey that's just my take on it, I could be totally wrong, but if I am I'd like you to correct me.
Anyways, hope you find the Light before it's too late,
John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Love ya, and please stay hydrated❤
@@oyinkansolaeshoYT LMAOOOOO. Bruh what 💀 why tf u brought ur religion into it. Thanks for ur unsolicited take but nothing u said is actually how I’m feeling, nice try tho it was cute
@@shubba8622 ok:)
@@oyinkansolaeshoYTbeing trans is not saying God made a mistake. that's like saying getting glasses shows that you think God made a mistake because you can't see without them. or any kind of surgery because God made you that way. why would you want to change it? are you saying he made a mistake when getting glasses or a surgery you need? no. being trans is no different. also everyone seeks validation. it feels really nice to be validated especially if you've been invalidated your whole life by everyone around you. whether it has to do with being trans or not. you go to God for validation. why can't other people also seek validation? we know who we are but constantly being invalidated by everyone hurts. so even just one person validating us feels so nice.
if we're sharing random Bible verses i can too “Love means doing what God has commanded us, and he has commanded us to love one another, just as you heard from the beginning.”
2 John 1:6 NLT
saying you love someone and actually loving someone are two different things. maybe stop pretending you do and hiding behind God. He knows your heart and your true intentions. Maybe you have good intentions, but it doesn't matter if the intentions are good if you still do harm
I hate that Dmitri was like trans people have depression because they're trans as if there aren't literal studies saying that the risk of depression & suicide drops pretty significantly for transgender people if they're able to transition and receive support from friends & family
They always ignore that and will continue to do so because anything that goes against their original beliefs, no matter how well supported, is labeled satanic....
EXACTLY. Or they misntrpret data to reinforce transphobia, and people just belief that because they don't research or think for themselves
As a Christian, that opening question and the people agreeing are part of the problem. You aren't 'loving the sinner' by hating me cause I'm queer, you love us by being accepting or just chill with it. Remember the number one rule is love thy neighbor, did Jesus stutter. I won't even start on the other questions or I'm writing an essay
Right?? Same thing with Islam, it's not for you to judge people, it's god's job and those who dare brake that rule are sinners too.
@@gotmilkbutt I'm not really a believer myself but you do not get the right to call people's beliefs as "scams"like genuinely, who do you think you are?
Except you forget that the entire purpose of the Good Samaritan parable was to explain to a follower that "only _some_ people are your neighbors"
And that's the entire problem with using the bible as a moral teaching -- one can (and many Christians do) use it to justify practically any stance one could take on an issue, which is precisely why both pro-slavery advocates and abolitionists were arguing from "scriptural" positions, or the same with abortion (like the SBC arguing pro-choice pre-1979 and pro-life post-1979, and claiming both were biblically-based stances).
@@khill8645 The bible isn't reliable and it never was. I personally don't judge anyone that is christian because it's there beliefs. However, the bible is really... confusing; it's a human's point of view of a human's point of view about right and wrong and people worship these ideologies as if they are their lord's own words even though it isn't.
@@khill8645 the good Samaritan is about helping people even if you don't know them or a part of your group. It's also about how not to assume an entire group is bad, as Samaritans were seen mean and cruel group of people. Besides the Bible has been translated so many ways that you may have read a different reason, but Jesus' teaching has always been is to be kind to each other no matter what they have done, especially non Christians. Don't cast stones at someone for sinning if you have sinned yourself
12:30 Thank you. As a gay person, hearing this part really made me smile.
My parents have an issue with me being gay, they call me abnormal, brainwashed, and "going too far". Of course, their harassment is really harmful to me.
So I'm really glad you spoke out. And I'll also make a platform of my own, to make even more people feel safe.
Sending love to everyone who needs it ❤
I went to a catholic high school and my religion teacher told this joke that I think about a lot especially when I see things like this. “One day a man enters heaven and he’s getting the grand tour. His tour guide says ‘over there are the Hindus, there are the Jews, there are the atheists, etc’ then the man says ‘what’s behind that wall over there?’ and the guide says ‘oh those are the Christians. They think they’re the only ones up here’” 😂😂
DONT DO WHAT THE UPPER COMMENT SAYS ITS A SCAM I GOT THE SAME THING ON ONE OF MY COMMENTS
explanation: I just
T commented congrats on a RUclipsr for reaching ten mill then I got an comment saying I won something and to dm them to get it I asked the RUclipsr in an email and they did say that it’s a scam
@@liyaaklen8015 I feel like anyone dumb enough to be tricked by that is not going to bother reading the comment below, but that was nice of you lol. These guys have been everywhere lately :/
LMAO PLEASE
I LOVE THAT 😭 SO TRUE
This dude was like “ah yes the LGBTs are the big gay and that gives them depression”
Meanwhile me, a straight woman and all the other straight/cis people who are also depressed: 🫠 bro what
@Stoned Nihilist I am sorry to hear about how your family seems to have turned on you for losing your faith. Bad things happen to “good Christians” and good things happen to atheists too. It’s a very vindictive and naive world view in my opinion to believe that bad things happen to you because you have “strayed from God.” God is meant to be a compassionate and benevolent being and I really doubt, in his “otherworldly wisdom,” he would go out of his way to punish you specifically. Honestly, that idea to me is just stupid. If the Christian God is to be believed, one of the first gifts he gave to humanity was free will. Free will to question and to sin and to be imperfect and to just be you. Don’t let your family’s judgement get to you, you have every right to question your faith, love yourself and to follow your own path
@@daffadilly If the Christian God is to be believed, he _specifically_ created us _without_ free will and cursed us when we acquired it.
@@khill8645 well God might call it a curse and all that but hehehe I wouldn’t consider it that though 👀 but who knows I’m an atheist so if I go to Hell then oopsies I’m burning alive lol. Also, is there a part in Genesis that states God cursed us with free will? Isn’t the point that when God created Adam and Eve they already had free will to act on their own, which they had to have free will to begin with in order to disobey God in the Garden of Eden?
@@daffadilly You wouldn't consider it a curse, even though God specifically says it's a curse for Adam and men to toil the fields in thorns and thistles, and a curse for Eve and women to painful labor during childbirth and be subservient to their husbands? Have you just never read Genesis?
@@khill8645 bro you literally said God CURSED humanity with free will. That’s not at all what any of this conversation was referring to. God created Adam and Eve with the free will to disobey him, otherwise they wouldn’t have been able to do so in eating from the tree of knowledge that he forbade them from. God had to have created us with free will, or else we could not have disobeyed him in the Garden of Eden and to say otherwise is a gross misinterpretation of Genesis. If God created humanity without free will, then they could not have been deceived by the serpent. And to be deceived by the serpent and to be bent to its whims without free will, would mean that God is less powerful than the serpent
I love how Jubilee posts stuff like this, but people have been requesting a video on Ex-Christians for years and they still refuse to do one.
As a Christian viewer myself, I actually enjoy these kinds of videos because they show what a bad Christian looks like. Ignorance and bigotry is not what this religion stands for, and I'm glad people with a platform call them out on it.
yes!!! I'm a christain too, that's EXACTLY how i feel :)
And as a believer of Jesus myself, I agree as well with both of y’all!
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I hope you guys can finally get over all of this. The original Hebrew Bible was cool and not meant to be taken literally all the time. Too bad many bad men have added their own agendas into your religion.
@@joyshreve1621Exactly! Jesus is a cool dude who loves everybody, how did God's message get so horribly corrupted? It makes me so sad honestly
Also, as someone that works in the hospital, all these people are fucking lying to you that they are not afraid of dying. Most people, even if they are strong believers, have apprehensions about death or at least worries about their loved ones. No one's on their death bed like,"Beam me up Jesus!!!!"
BEAM ME UP JESUS OMG
TW for self-annihilation
Yeah, I know a lot of religious people (not just Christians, but most of them were) who are terrified of dying because they are afraid of going to hell... In rare cases this fear can be beneficial (I grew up christian and the fear of hell prevented me from ending my life) but for the most part it is just torturous. People are naturally afraid of death as it is, and this mindset adds a whole new layer of anxiety on top.
...I'm saying that now. I will be the first. Those are going to be my last words😌
ISTG IT WILL HAPPEN, REMIND ME WHEN IM ABOUT TO DIE TO SAY IT-
Yea, I personally thought they were answering that question dishonestly.
I’m crying😂😂😂😂
The thing that always gets me with "you shouldn't get an abortion, that pregnancy was God's plan for you" - ok, _you_ know what God's plans are? God's plans that the Bible says are unknowable? How do you know that person getting an abortion isn't also part of His plan? Oh, right, because "God's plan" just means "whatever I think is Right".
18:16 it hurts me so much as a SA victim to hear that there are people saying that it was a gift of god ? What the- ? As if the abuse was meant to be, as if I did something wrong to deserve it ? It brings me to tears honestly.
Was she also the Hispanic household? bc this coulda been my mom. It’s been really difficult seeing her try to understand her own trauma within the Christian framework, which can stay ethical but often veers into seriously fucked up victim blaming.
I mean, PERHAAAAPS what they meant was something like "the SA was terrible, but the pregnancy is a reward to make up for it"??? Still terrible (and implies that pregnancy is something everyone must be happy about), but at least a bit better? Or I'm just trying to be hopefull...
@@Arania_3.14 it still sounds horrible 😐
@@amdiary7 Yep, I said it's still terrible, but I can't believe anyone could ever call SA "a gift", it's just too much for me to understand
And what about ectopic pregnancy is that also gift from god? Or what about feotuses who disease that will kill them pre term or within days of birth? Delivery is difficult and dangerous. Imagine doing all that just to give birth to a corpse, instead of safely removing it as early as possible.
"agree to disagree" my Christian dad says, about racism. That's all you need to know about my feelings about my family. I'm sick of these people. How could someone say these things
Agree to disagree is when you both like different icecream flavours, not when you’re talking about whether people should or shouldn’t be discriminated against for their race or ethnicity, I can totally understand why you’re so angry and tired of them.
Agree to disagree is the most mentally Ill crap anybody can say about literal racism. Like what?
I swear these are my parents. They have no Problem saying racist shit but defend themselves by saying that they never spread feelings of hatred. Like, to them its ok to say racist things in the family, but they dont do it in public so its fine. And my mom goes on to say that what is said in the family stays in the family, so I would be a really bad person if I ever told anyone how racist she was. Like, she once even started talking about jews ruling the World in the shadows but ending with "but thats just a conspiracy theory". I hope she's not literally a nazi, but coming from everything else she says, I cant trust it just from her saying she isnt. She also has an irrational hatred for poor people. My parents immigrated from eastern europe to germany, and my father was really poor. But now they have succeeded. We live a pretty normal life. We are still working class, but I dont worry about not having anything to eat, and my house is really big so I'm more upper working class. My father didnt come from nothing, and he did get help, so he didnt pull himself up by his bootstraps, but he wasnt that wealthy either. My mom comes from a more wealthy family, her father was part of the violent enforcers of the state (the police) and made a lot of money from it. My parents believe that because they succeeded, other poor people should be able to do the same. First of All, they really shouldnt act like they come from the very bottom of the hierarchy. My father works really hard, to his detriment (he does not fucking sleep) but he says he enjoys working (he works form home). My mom does work, but because I have a young sister, she works part-time to also take care of her. Not that my father could do the same since he works from home💀. They expect the capitalist system to work for everyone, but they fundamentally do not understand that it isnt possible. The hierarchy of capitalism is in the shape of a pyramid, with the majority (the working class) at the bottom, and the minority (the capitalist/owner class) at the top. Anyone could succeed, but not everyone can. The rich literally need the working class to Function, they obviously arent going to pay them enough to be able to become wealthy, because that profit will go to your employee (the capitalist). There cannot be a capitalist class without a working class. The people at the top of the pyramid cannot exist without people below them. If pro-capitalists were so pro-meritocratic, they wouldnt be so anti-inheritance tax as they are. Inheritance is something you do not have to work for, it comes from getting born into the right family, which is completely random. But if capitalists do not think inheritance should be taxed, why do they claim that capitalism is a meritocracy? Elon musk is not a self made man, his father owned an emerald mine in africa. To be able to succeed, you're going to have to step on other people to get there, be lucky, or already be born into a rich family. My parents cannot comprehend seeing things from a different perspective. No empathy for anyone that is not like them. My parents are also extremely homophobic and transphobic. My mother forcefully outed me and is simply telling me I'm delusional and a blasphemer for implying god made a mistake. "I know you are an intelligent *girl* but it hurts to know you believe something so stupid" She went on an unhinged rant about gay pedophiles wanting to mutilate children and castrate them. I never said anything about surgery. I want to cut my hair and wear the clothes I want, but she doesnt like that. She actually believes theres a widespread issue where children are being confused and forced to transition medically, but I only know two people on my entire school who are out (Me and one of my friends) and she acts like I can simply go to a pharmacy and buy bottom surgery immediately😵. Thats not even how it works, I would have to go see a specialist for that first to even get my hands on puberty blockers. She's even surprised that I hate her. She doesnt even accept my existence, I'm stupid for caring more about people of colour than my own parents. I'm the delusional one for calling out my moms racism. I'm an idiot for caring more about poor people than my own family. Why should I care about a family that doesnt even care about me? Its always about her feelings, but she doesnt give a crap about mine. She stole my phone and outed my identity because she knew I was feeling depressed but wouldnt tell her. And then she tells me I'm delusional, I wonder why I didnt want to tell her. My brother was taken by CPS, he's not really in danger from my parents, but he is kinda lazy and doesnt want to try in school (thats only from my perspective, I could be wrong about it because there might be something bothering him that I'm not seeing) and he's also kinda feminine, a perfect target for bullies. My parents beat him and screamed at him for not doing his homework, maybe they have a point but I doupt beating him is going to make him want to do his homework. Not that I have any other ideas. Maybe he has dislexia or something, thats what I thought. But then my father told me that if a person works hard enough, they could get over their disability (he even mentioned homosexuality for some reason). He actually thinks people can simply get over cognitive disabilities, like its a bad thing that they have it and not that the disabled person is not being accomodated. Sorry for the amount of text, I had to get this out of my chest.
As a survivor of a series of sexual assaults where I thankfully wasnt at a risk of pregnancy. I still spent years being horrified of my body and the aftermath of that relationship. I likely would have died one way or another if I had become pregnant. And i don’t believe it’s fair to a child to bring them into a world where they serve as a reminder or as “proof” of a crime.
My best friend became pregnant from an assault by their uncle at 11. They miscarried and they miss that baby girl every day, but they still worry they would have spent years resenting her, not to mention the abandonment from their family.
Assault survivors who become pregnant and chose to keep the child are so incredible and brave, but those who wouldnt are just as incredible, just as brave. We are all survivors, and we deserve choices.
I love when people try to say that abortion is genocide. Like dued, that's not even the definition of genocide lol
they gonna start calling it world war 3 soon
Conservatives and not knowing what words mean.
Name a more iconic duo lmao
Not to mention that it shows clear ignorance of history. Slaves and Holocaust victims for example would perform abortions on themselves or get them in secret from someone else to prevent their children from being victims of genocide.
@@ngotemna8875 Right-wing starter pack:
Socialism - not capitalism
Agenda - when a minority shows up on television for at least two seconds.
Feminism - when women are allowed to do things I don't want them to.
"Let's go brandon!"- (compensation for lack of humour)
George Floyd- drugs, duh
Trans people - (1) you will never be a real _______ (2) (insert attack helicopter). (3) define "woman".
Teaching kids that a man doesn't necessarily have to fall in love with a woman - p*dophillia
Abortion - murder. "Lmao just birth the baby and give it up for adoption. It's soooo easy 🤡."
Guns - "I may be pro-life but there is no other way to deal with those pesky illegal immigrants".
Domestic violence - oh it's the woman's fault for not submitting to her role (this one is actually disgusting).
Cops - Must support because they keep the black people away.
US military - based terrorists
Islamic people - enemies
Red-pill alpha male - call every one else a beta/soyboy. Scream obnoxiously over women. Invalidate fat people.
And last but not least, play the victim whilst trying to convince your 12-year old demographic that you are a mature, rational human being. In that way, you will have the freedom to demonise and degrade genuine victims without question.
@@snoop4472 Exactly my thoughts
Annamarie mentioning how much of Christianity is built around fear hit really close to home. I remember being 10 years old and watching "I went to hell" video w a Christian friend, and her telling me that when you dream of hell it means to actually went to hell.. I remember being so terrified to sleep after that, I think after a week of anxiety, and sleepless night i finally told my mom, her response was "oh, well children dont go to hell :)" which only made me worry about when i wouldn't be considered a child anymore, and if i would dream of going to hell. I still have a slight fear of going to sleep.
As a child raised Christian I would pray to die in an accident before I turned 18 because I was so convinced I’d go to hell if I was no longer considered a child. Any time I would have a “bad thought” I would apologize profusely to God because I thought that if I died right then, that one sin I’d committed would send me over the edge into damnation. Ever since I left religion, I’ve noticed just how many people have been traumatized by it.
s a m e. i remember in religion class the teacher was like after a certain age you will definetly go to hell and I was secretly hoping to die young because I didn't trust that I would be "sAveD" after becoming a teenager.
i had something similar, i was constantly scared that jesus would come back and i would go to hell bc of stuff i thought about (now i know it was literally just puberty doing it's thing)
Totally understand this. Even though I'm not religious anymore, I'm still paranoid about being punished even for the smallest things like intrusive thoughts. Talked about it with a therapist, and she told me it was religious trauma. So that's fun.
16:04 I just did the fattest eyeroll of my entire life when she said that like I'm so tired of people trying to force shame onto people that get abortions
It's so easy to be bold behind a mask.
That's my thing. If you have the balls to say something as wild as what they've been saying moat of the video, then they should have the balls to reveal themselves
They wouldn’t hesitate to say this without it. It’s their brand
if their identities were leaked they would immediately disown their statements lol
I've always hated the "all sin is equal, therefore homosexuality bad" take
because you can't put stealing from the cookie jar and killing someone on the same level of sin...
like w- wh- i-
i get what you mean but also stealing from the cookie jar isn't really comparable to being gay bc being gay is a good thing yknow. it's more like "being happy and in love is on the same level as murdering someone"
@@ViolenceMakesTheWorldAfraid murder is literally one of the absolute worst sins and evil you can perform. Are you kidding me?
@@ViolenceMakesTheWorldAfraid uh- I'm not Christian or anything... but I think it is a sin-
@@darklydread frfr though
@@ViolenceMakesTheWorldAfraid Isn’t it kind of a sun because you’re taking away someone’s life? Like yeah it’s illegal but even if it was legal or acceptable it would still be wrong wether it was seen that way by the world or not. Someone’s life is stolen yk? and I’m not really religious but I feel like that would be a sin I guess.
'jubilee more like poop and pee' is the most powerful phrase i've ever heard thank you for this
I was just listening a few Annamarie videos as I put up my groceries. There’s nothing like bullying straight people on a rainy Sunday morning.
but it is thursday not sunday (・∀・)
@@anotherstupidhuman I don’t know what I was smoking when I made that comment. I don’t even remember commenting that.
@@anotherstupidhumanI was thinking that aswell. But I'll be honest I had to check. XD
Aesthetic
@@Trees... Sorry for making you second guess yourself ✋😭
Christians: Sin is Sin
Also Christians: but my Sin gets a pass
Christians are very humble pepole. A person that says theyre sin gets a pass are not a Christian
When did any of them say that?
@@zainabibraheem I bet they are all wearing mixed fabrics 🤷🏾
@@eduardsusai559 not all Christians are humble 💀
@@eduardsusai559 very few christians are humble.
I was a baby born out of marrage and i think honesty I prefer it that way because I loved going to my parents' wedding at 3 and being able to witness them being married and being their flower girl. It will be a core memory for a long time :)
my parents had me grow up in a Christian church and it was very overwhelming and I had no idea how scary and terrified I was to die or "sin" everyday dude.. so I agree like 10000%
I also grow up in that kind of environment, and I must say I was very surprised that this people were not afraid to die. Because from my experience of talking to other christians was that their were very afraid, well to be fair, not afraid of death, but that their will go to hell... And As a ex-christian I find it so fucked up that this whole religion is based on fear and suffering...
My brother would have panic attacks about sinning and ending up in hell. He would constanty go through everything he did and thought (because we were raised and fundamentals and thought crime was a thing as in if you even had a sexual thought you were commiting adultery, if you had a violent thought you had commited murder in your heart etc) and convince himself he was ending up in hell.
right? like being introduced at 5 yrs old to the concept of "god" as basically an invisible guy who always knows when u do smt wrong (watch out! the definition of wrong changes often and randomly!) and knows all ur thoughts and is always watching u was probably like... a real bad idea LMAO
i would stay up at night crying and praying that the rapture would happen during my lifetime and/or hoping that i would die before i committed any sins so i wouldn't go to hell.
i couldn't sleep somedays because of the "if i shall die before i wake i pray the lord my soul will take." prayer. i misinterpreted it and was absolutely terrified that god would kill me in my sleep.
and even now that i don't believe in heaven or hell but sometimes i'll still break down crying, terrified that i'm going to hell because of my gender and sexuality or because of my mental issues.
i don't like christianity.
@@solsticebugg I'm so sorry you had to go through that, that sounds awful I'm so sorry😔 I don't like Christianity either
I'm a trans lesbian who grew up in a evangelical household. All the rest of my family is devote Christians. When I came out they all said there were no signs and that I was wrong (blamed college lol), but there were so many signs when I was younger I was just abused for showing them so I learned to mask (they also don't believe I'm autistic). I wasn't surprised at some of the selfish statements made in this one because my whole family voted against gay marriage, calling it a grave sin and that they wouldn't do anything to support others sinning, but got upset that we didn't invite them to my wife's and my wedding. Honestly Annemarie's kinder than I would've been watching this, so props to you 👏
congrats on the marriage :>
Congrats on getting married! How funny that they wanted to be invited at an event that they wanted to prohibit... Good luck dealing with them, and props to you for being you despite them trying to stop you.
"they're depressed, they're lonely all the time" was such an ironic sentence to me because when i look at all the christian influencers i've come across, they always seem so stressed and like they think they're happy but make themselves feel bad for doubting gods existence or this or that. if anything i'd argue they're the ones that feel sad and lonely.
I was sheltered my whole life by my conservative religious parents, and when I became an adult I got into some bad stuff like drugs and homelessness. I wanted to get tf out of it all and begged my parents to let me stay with them so i could be safe and get off drugs. They refused and made me stay on the streets which was a very dangerous and traumatizing situation for a young lady llike me. Years later I got away from it all (from a random family that let me stay with them lol), finally got a phone and called my dad. Surely he would be so proud of me for overcoming all those things!
He told me he was disappointed, was convinced i was still an addict (I wasn't), and said the only way they'd let me back into the family was if I confessed my love for God. I said no and never spoke to my family again. If it's conditional, it's not real love.
That's insane. I'm glad you got to a better place without them.
They are your sperm and egg donor. Nothing more.
“If it’s conditional, it’s not real love” wow that really hit me hard like that really is just it
There really is no hate like christian love smh
Honestly, good for you for not taking that bs. I hope you're safe and thriving ♡
That “go queen “ at the mention of female orgy was a much needed comic relief 😂
This was weird to me bcs isn’t she (the women who talked about the orgy) homophobic?? Like you can’t do that and be homophobic (and call yourself straight lol)
@@anxt._3065 There's a thing called internalized homophobia and another called compulsory heterosexuality.
@@cridly true but still
@@anxt._3065 this was also supposedly before becoming a christian, i think. so she may have developed the intense homophobia later on
@@osnapitzmaia probably true sadly
i grew up in a very radically progressive and accepting religious environment, being allowed to experience both religions of my parents (catholicism & hinduism) & those of my friends too. my church has always been so radically loving and accepting; these people were so scary to listen to. I’ve heard about christians who are like this, but it’s so horrifying to actually hear. I’m so grateful to have been raised in a loving, caring, open, peaceful environment instead. i wish more people could have had that too :(
i’m so tired of having to explain that i actually am not the most horrible person ever and do deserve basic human decency to these people
Fr. Extreme Christians are wayyyy too worried about all the wrong things and let abuse thrive in their communities because of it, sometimes on purpose. Please stop pretending that I, a pansexual man, am more of a danger to your child than your pedo priest.
exactly!! why is me just existing the worst crime to humanity in their eyes?
I sometimes wanna scare tf Outta queerphobes by sayin I'ma bring an end to this world by being trans lol. But I like peace so no.
As someone who used to be a Christian in the Bible Belt, I wasn’t surprised at all by their shit takes. Every time their indoctrination kicked in and they began rambling about how they’re all horrible sinners who need Jesus was so sad and frustrating.
Yeah I don’t think a lot of people got the memo that the self hate part of religion exists cause in the past education basically didn’t exist and that was the easy way for the people in power to assert some control lol
It’s a bit weird how they all talked about magnifying homosexuality and the lgbtq but didn’t talk about magnifying it ? Like it’s so weird when dressing immodestly , getting drunk, premarital sex, smoking, being rude , cheating,and hating others is a sin but it’s so easily brushed under the rug and will talk about hating the sin not the sinner and that it’s between them and god but don’t give that energy when it comes to the lgbt … it’s so hypocritical (which is also a sin btw) how they say Jesus died to forgive our sins but force the label of sinner to somebody minding their own business
@@zirarose3029 I believe the main reason fundie Christian dislike the LGBT+ community so much is because they view it as a threat to god’s perfectness. They believe god made relationships to be between a man and a woman, but the discovery of biological causes for homosexuality says otherwise. Fundies have to accept that either god isn’t perfect or that the Bible is wrong, and they don’t like either option. I believe that this is why they’re still so adamant in saying that homosexuality isn’t natural.
I like how that guy said the people outside planned pregnancy are offering to adopt people’s babies as if ANY prolifers actually care about the unwanted children once they’re born
That's weird that they went to Hell and it was just like it was described in the Bible when Hell was never described in the Bible. That would be Dante's Inferno
Yes this! I will never understand how little some Christians know about bible.
"They went to Hell and it was just like Dante said in the Inferno. A lot of popes were there, Satan was sitting in a block of ice..."
if they truly did see it like dante’s inferno then i have a lot of respect for that person tbh bc they’ve SEEN THINGS
"They're depressed because they're gay"
I was depressed far before I realized I wasn't straight. Forcing myself to be straight didn't help. Like, at all
Your "hot take" at the end had me screaming YESSSS. My dad has gotten more extreme with his beliefs over the years, to the point of saying similar things about looking forward to dying.
I have a friend at school and she is cis and straight but she is the most supportive ally I know, she uses our pronouns and stuff, she's using my new name and apologises everytime she accidentally uses my old one, and guess what? She's Christian! Honestly she is great and cool and the best ally I know
And also saying that your fine with gay people but u don't like the lifestyle is so contradictory, for me being gay plays alot in my lifestyle?
that's great, i'm so happy you have a supportive community at your school!!
Sounds awesome! Tell her we all think she's super lovely
@Stoned Nihilist a little grim view but true!
@Stoned Nihilist like replacing the old milk, with gay milk
I have a super christian friend who recently converted, she’s been subtly trying to convert us too which I don’t mind because I know she’s just following the church’s requests when they brainwash her. I went to youth group with her once and one of the leaders said his life was “perfect after joining the church”. Like bro n o. Also once she told us that she didn’t accept our “decision” to be gay but she supported us. I love her though and she’s still one of my best friends
(Us is my friend group)
When I went to church and was open about my sexuality there were two kinds of Christians I’d deal with. One that was very vocal about being against it, and we’re usually more aggressive about it. You’d think these would be the worst kind of Christian to deal with but I think there’s a worse one. The other Christians I dealt with were people that wouldn’t say openly their opinions on the matter. They’d dance around the topic, or give vague answers. They’d wait for you to become a member of the church, till you made friends and find a sense of community. Then one day they sit you down and tell you what they really want from you. They wanted me to be celibate for the rest of my life. These kind of people made me leave the church and turn to atheism. They abuse your trust, make you think they see you as equal, but really they see you as a born sinner that’s need to repent for simply loving the same sex.
Ironically we are all born sinners so you are on equal ground lol.
It's just they feel self-righteous enough to preach to you although I bet they have sins they wouldn't share with you.
@@kpoppy9635 100% they do 💀
Ugh, I hate those kinds. Like, I'd rather you just call me a slur and get it over with.
@@bronzelaugh2350 FR 💀💀
they did the same with me but for being a woman and having big breasts. i was shamed by a 40 year old women for "trying to seduce her husband with my chest" because i wore a tank top in the middle of summer.....as a 9 year old. fucking 9.
My church thinks that a baby that was just born is born into sin nature and so it would go to hell despite doing nothing and it's just incredibly fucked up
As an ex-ultra Christian who struggled for years with their identity and how it defied God and was "wrong" hearing you repeat how being gay isn't something to be ashamed of or something to apologize for was incredibly helpful. Even though I've moved away from the community, there remains some guilt and shame for living as I am and it was really affirming to have someone remind me that it isn't anything wrong. Thank you Annamarie, proud to be part of the sinner family
I've been where you are and I'm so freaking proud of you. You are a beautiful example of a human being and nothing needs to change about you. I hope you know that now :)
Some of the answers from the Jubilee video are truly terrifying. The one person that said that abortion is worse than the Holocaust... I physically cannot deal when people say that, I stg. Say that to a Holocaust survivor and see what they say, I dare you.
Ikr...
I’m no longer Christian but my stepdad is a pastor and he has shown me what gods love should be: it should be compassion and kindness, especially for those who are no like you, it’s loving your neighbor and committing to be there for them, it’s inviting people to the table, not shoving beliefs down throats. And even though I’m not a believer anymore, my home is where I see god
This...this is exactly why I try to avoid Christians and religion in general. I can't help but always feel like I'm being judged and talked about when I'm in a church for who I am.
I get like a panic attack when I hear Christians talk
Second worst (to these guys) is the “THEY’RE NOT _REAL_ CHRISTIANS!!!” and “Not ALL Christians are like this!!!!” people who immediately then segue into proselytizing… like babes… are ya sure???? You aren’t doing a great job proving it!
I’m sick of that kind of Christianity and I’m fucking atheist…
I avoid church and church people for my life. I was forced to go to catholic church until I was 16 and let me tell you, I don't even wanna think about the messed up things I saw and heard in that hell of a place
"Hell just like described in Bible" I can't tell how much I love Christians that doesn't know their own holy book 🙃
It looked like a *checks notes* “furnace of fire" with "weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Lol, okay...
In the actual bible, hell is described as being separated from God. YOu can argue that atheists are separated from God right now, and I dont think they are living in hell.
@@jessicayoung3656 i mean. have you looked around recently? kind of a hellish place if you ask me, lol.
@@Venjamin well if we are already in hell, we have nothing to lose anyway.
@@Venjamin Actually no, I don't think living on Earth is particularly bad and hellish.
My notifications sound is the "bruh" sound effect and when you said "jubilee more like poop & pee" my notif went off immediately after and I cannot stop giggling like an idiot 😭
That sounds awesome lol
'it's almost like promoting an MLM' - you're almost there mate, Christianity IS a spiritual MLM, literally an sociological meme designed to be spread, one of the greatest methods of control ever devised
100%. It’s the most divisive, evil thing out there.
Thought we were keeping the comments kind and civil?
@@jstarstudios7110 huh?
@@val77701 they’re saying hating on religion/calling it evil is pretty mean and uncivil.
@ferret … was this supposed to be some sort of ‘gotcha’? and did you just like your own comment?
i grew up mormon and watching this made me remember so much of what i heard and went through when i was in the church. thank you annamarie for your wonderful input on all of this. i adore you
30:38 hey, former baptist here. i was raised in a christian household, and the fact that there are christians out there that teach 5 year olds to think like this (my experience) is terrifying. living through the pandemic as a young christian was genuinely terrifying for me because of my upbringing. i thought certain loved ones would die and go to hell, and it would be my fault. i'm a lot better with religion now; i'm also agnostic.
As a Christian lesbian, just gonna throw my interpretation out there- since the Bible is a book that can only be interpreted, not an instruction manual. And it’s like that on purpose, since an instruction manual would not age well and could not possibly apply to the future (It’s also been run through Google translate like 10 times due to language changes and is missing a LOT of context). Jesus led passively with a purpose, guiding through example- not force. He didn’t judge anyone, and welcomed non-believers with loving arms- no strings attached. They followed him because THEY chose to, they saw what he stood for and felt they could align. I personally believe that God has a plan for us in the same way people prepare for hurricanes- minimizing damage and focusing mostly on the aftermath. I believe we are allowed free will, to make our own choices- but He will help pick up the pieces.
On the LGBTQIA+ topic, the only true reference to that is in the only testament. “Man shall not lie with man…” and could contextually be referring to the rampant issue of SA against servant boys by their “masters”. It’s also worth knowing that it is said in the same breath as listing others sins such as: taking loans, wearing mixed fibers, and especially eating pork. So any homophobic Christian who has a credit card, wears polyester, or eats bacon is just as bad- if not WORSE- than the “gays”. (All of which are widely accepted as just ~times have changed~) People who are bigoted will constantly look for anything to validate their beliefs and ignore anything contrary.
I’m sure there are a million other people who have said this better but figured I’d throw this in for anyone who struggles with their faith and identity not lining up. Jesus preached love - so show that love. But Jesus also didn’t put up with any BS.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk lmao
Facts facts facts. Absolutely love this. ❤️
Fun fact: the older bible had the “man shall not lie with man” as “man shall not lie with little boys” it wasn’t homophobic it was saying it was a sin to be a pedo, and also little boys isn’t exclusive, it means all children (most probably) as man is being used for all people.
And if it isn’t being used for all people even if it was originally “man shall not lie with man” that would just be gay guys if we’re taking this completely by the book. And also the Bible doesn’t really say anything about trans people, so most people use the “man shall not wear a woman’s clothes” (I haven’t read the Bible) but that’s just crossdressing. Also I agree, the Bible was not an instruction manual and it was written by man, so it might not even be a sin to eat bacon or take loans or wear mixed fibers, they might’ve just suspected it. as I just said, humans wrote the Bible so we can’t 100% trust it.
@@TE000YT THIS>>>> I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!!!
Facts💀💀💀😂😂
Oh girl you're absolutely right that there are some Christians that have a superiority complex when they preach to others. There are some denominations/groups that even encourage that behavior.
As someone who grew up in the church, the anti-LGBTQ+ agenda my church had did quite the opposite of what it was meant to do. Now, I’m pansexual and much happier. (Still closeted to some people I’m unsure about) While in the church, I noticed a lot of the people had underlying trauma that made them feel pressured into Christianity. I’m in high school with someone who is in the church I went to, but she’s pretty chill. I also know some open lesbians who are cool, too. Moral of the story: of you’re chill, then people will be fine with you.
as a queer ex-Christian who is also an SA survivor, their opinions are so frustrating to me because they think that they're doing the right thing when what they're saying is very VERY detrimental. I got so heated with the opening questions because I've heard shit like that all my life. Becoming Christian does not make you magically straight!
not me having flashbacks to when my big sister compared being lgbtq+ to being an alcoholic 💀 she said we're "addicted" to the "lifestyle" lmaooooooo
My mom and I trolled the march for life's live on Facebook and it's absolutely horrible how many say that abortion is worse than slavery and the goddamn Holocaust
It's so ignorant. Glad you trolled them though! 😆
@@dischorddynne it had us heatedddd
@@faiththeunknownbeing8126 Eugh. I recently figured out that it's best to argue with something sentient if you're going to do it at all after someone told me:
"If the rate of trans people is 1% of the population that is still 30,000,000 people in the US that are transgender" I give up...
Anna's hair in this video is to die for.
Are you high? That hair is screaming for better product and care.
I had to scoll too long to find the hair hype comment.
Agree! Her curls are so bouncy!
this is exactly why i feel very stand-offish around christians.. the majority of them that i've interacted with think the same way. i'm just glad i don't live in a religious country lol
unless proven otherwise, i totally agree
I mean, yes, this is a certain type of Christians. But I've also met plenty of Christians who prioritize love and kindness over fire and brimstone. I think the fire-and-brimstone types are just louder and more organized.
Because in Christanity, there is only one right way of thinking.
Jesus said to "to go through the NARROW way"...meaning there is only one path to being saved and you can't deviate from it and still be following God.
I, personally, was raised Christian. I'm 19, almost 20 now, and I only left the church I wanna say around a year ago. And I left when I realized something, because growing up I had always been around very welcoming Christians, and was not raised on many of the beliefs the people in this video agree with.
My father, who molested and abused me for years, could be saved because in his heart he is still a Christian, and he has said God has forgiven him for his sins. But I, as a trans pansexual man who left the church, would be damned to hell because I do not want to be in a heaven with the man who made my life a nightmare.
I relate to this on a unsettling level. I am a 16 year old, gay, transgender man. My uncle, a straight, catholic, abusive, sexually harassing predator got “forgiven” by god. While I am damned to burn in the fires of hell according to him.
I’m sorry you had to go through this. I really am. You didn’t deserve to get put through this. Bless your soul 🙏🏳️🌈💖🏳️⚧️
Every time Calvin’s silhouette’s head popped to the side, you can tell he felt personally attacked by someone not agreeing-especially on the abortion clinic topic. That man 100% has picketed outside one of those clinics and/or signs off on the practice.
Ikr. Also the whole "offering to adopt their children" is a fucking lie to convince people to go through with an unwanted pregnancy, has probably said it himself with no intention to do so.
I´m trans and i´ve had been sexual abused in my childhood. So, like you said, its really violent hearing some of these people talk like that about ra*e. Being abused in my life (ironically, by my catholic family) cursed me and assuming my gender saved me. Great content, love from Argentina😘🥰
As a bisexual woman I agree with this video as someone struggling with anxiety.
I appreciate you responding to this video and talking about just how disgusting some of these takes were. Massive trigger warning for the next part but I am a survivor of r*pe. At the time I didn’t know that’s what it was ( I was 15 and it was my bf at the time) and if he had gotten me pregnant I would not be here. The only “gift of life” that’s come out of that is the fact it never happened. And if I did make it through I would not be in one piece, mentally or physically. If I had gotten pregnant and was forced to keep the child I promise you that would not have stopped him from continuing to assault me. I’ve never wanted kids, but knowing that, how could you force someone to put a child through that? Do you think that child would have grown up okay knowing how they were conceived? Cause there’s plenty of people who did and some will tell you what it’s really like.
This happened almost five years ago (almost the anniversary of me finally leaving him) and I’m in a safe environment with a very loving partner now who knows about my trauma and does what he can to support me. People do not take into account the mental state of the already living breathing person and I garuntee they have not been through anything close to what I have to hold that rancid opinion. And I can only hope they never end up dealing with it either. I may not like them but nobody deserves that.
In good news, I have an appointment later this month set (yay planned parenthood) to try to go on hrt!!! I always try to end stuff like that on a good note so I and others reading don’t spiral.
That being said I’m not sure I can finish this video. I love your content but this one is too much for me. ❤ if I’m ever feeling up to it I may but clearly this has gotten me a bit worked up.
@@saltydinonuggies1841 Totally valid dude, always do what you can within your own limits, don't push yourself.
Also I am so glad you are starting HRT and are in a better place now, congratulations!
on the topic of abortions. As someone who was a product of rape, but was kept, i still strongly beleive that womens rights are human rights. It is the RIGHT of the woman to choose.
I was also raped by my ex boyfriend.....so i truly think this statement is something i live by.
as a person who has s3xual trauma, people like this suck. i can't imagine if i was forced to have a kid that came from someone that not only harassed me, but also violated and harmed me. can you imagine having to have a child that looks like, sounds like, or reminds you of an insanley traumatic event and person everyday?? horrible.. people are disgusting sometimes.
I was also raised in a Roman Catholic household, I went to catholic school my entire life and didn't start to question it until I was about 18 or 19. I realized that part of my anxiety came from the pressure of being perfect and not committing any sins and the guilt of christ having died for me and I was messing everything up. Ever since I stopped going to church my dad has been trying to guilt me back in, but I have resisted. The time it hit a new low, though, was when my grandpa passed away and I was wrecked, my father hugged me and said "these are the moments when catholics can find comfort in knowing we'll see each other again. for atheists this is the end" and I just hated that, it just cemented my current ideas on catholicism.
He is aware that Catholics can go to hell too, right? Because that was a horrible thing to say to a grieving person.
My mother who has a couple doctorates is also a Cuban Catholic, the mix of those two manifest in a rather messed up way. One day we where arguing about LGBTQ+ rights, and she decided I was old enough to have some "truth" dropped into my brain pan and hopefully change my "childish ways" cause I need to grow up. So she told me that while yes she has many friends (and her only brother too) who are gay, and she loves all of them but it doesn't change that nobody who is gay can be happy since they all have had trauma and therefore they are incapable of being happy. The thing that broke my brain for a moment was that she clearly believed everything she said was as true and real as the gulf of Mexico.
Wait,I’m cuban too and my mother basically says the same (although i’m bisexual and confessed it to her, she has a really close cousin thats gay and friends who are gay)
I feel like there’s a big taboo in Cuba about homosexuality or lgbtq in general (Although they just legalized same sex marruage so wohoo🎉) but still i feel like thats what they’ve been hearing from their parents,grandparents etc. That gay people are gay because of trauma or because of “something went wrong with them”.Or that we’re perverse or confused. So sad but whatever . Love is love 🏳️🌈
@@lorensofia7806 Yep you are correct... however I've noticed a four way split when it comes to our people that are radically opposed to what is held as gospel truth. Also two distinct dialects of Cuban Spanish. Heck I tested the religion waters once with her asking if protestants can become catholics can catholics become protestants, her reply was that no once you are catholic you stay that way since it's the only true religion. Meanwhile I'm my religion puts out comments questioning itself. The trick to staying sane and happy is either look for the progressive folks so you can back up each other or cut off the conservatives be cause they will utterly destroy you and they will be certain that they are helping you I mean after all how can you possibly know better than them about what you want and need. If it makes you feel better there are reasons for all of this. Including lead poisoning, a metric shit ton of propaganda and similar attacks by a handfull of goverments and international corporations, and systematic racism, sexism, and other sources of mass trauma that produce alot of self hatred.
The very sad thing is that you can get a PhD by simply learning everything by heart and without challenhing yourself much intellectually. And not only do these people like your mother suffer unknowingly from not actually learning to think for themselves, the general public and the scientific community also suffers from it because people like this don't usually make science go forward.
This reminds me of a guy who got a physics PhD without ever understanding the scientific method, and he would fake all the results in his papers by calculating what they would look like based on theory. His papers were insanely popular because his "findings" were absolutely incredible and gave hopes to lots of other scientists. When it was revealed it was all fake, the world of physics as a whole suffered greatly, and it was a big setback, because many people were losing time trying to replicate the fake results. Many careers were impacted, and some people even left science as a whole out of frustration.
As a Catholic trans dude, I've learned to disconnect my Christian beliefs from these kinds of asses, but it still pisses me off every single time. Y’all are all valid.
I thought that what the hispanic woman was saying was that people act like being gay is a huge horrible thing, and that they don’t say anything about real sins like pedos, but maybe I’m lying to myself
edit: just saw the abortion thing, good lord I was delusional having faith in her
I think she experienced a lot of sexual trauma at a young age and has convinced herself that either it wasn't that bad, or it was "God's plan". The same thing happened to me after experiencing SA as a young teen. Of course, I could be wildly incorrect, but it just seems like she's traumatized and doesn't really realize that. I hope she's able to get to a good non-Christian therapist tbh
As someone who is Hispanic, yes some people (Christian/Catholic) do really protect the abuser in the family and are hush hush about it whereas, they outright condemn people are gay, etc. It’s a fucked up mentality, which is why I stopped being religious, amongst other reasons. However, her comparing the two as the same sin is more levels of fucked up but that’s the church for you. :)