7:08 not all fat people are lazy but I do think that a lot of fat person in general would have less energy compared to a person who isn’t so in some ways I understand the stereotype
The "truth" is that they are extremely hateful women who don't deserve a platform. Life not being fair should apply to natural disasters not behavior other people can absolutely change.
So I've been told I'm "mid-size" (Read: too fat for skinny people, yet too skinny for other fat peopl) but I still get treated poorly because of my weight. The biggest one is that I've had undiagnosed joint pain for YEARS now and I've been trying actively for a while to get a doctor to do literally anything. At this point I'm trying to get a family doctor, because I've had walk in doctors/nurse practitioners do everything from telling me to just "eat healthy and work out" to telling me I'm "just too chubby" and trying to prescribe me a DIARETIC. It's so disheartening, I'd just like to be taken seriously
I've heard that the best option is asking your doctor to write and sign that they refused to test you for whatever you went in for. The fear of legal recourse usually makes them backpedal
I'd probably be considered "mid-size" too and I also have undiagnosed joint and muscle pain (to the severity that I sometimes use a cane). I'm lucky enough to have a PCP that listens to me even if she doesn't know what's going on, but I've gone through a lot of doctors and nurses that said to just eat healthy and work out or attributed my health to my weight. The thing is, I lost a lot of weight and I still have these issues. I think doctors and nurses need to be better equipped to work with plus size people. If thin people can have the same issue, surely that means that this pain exists regardless of weight and it should be looked at through that lens. I hope you get the treatment you need and deserve and that your pain is taken seriously.
Yes!! I’m the same size, and always get comments on how “you used to be so skinny!” And “I see you put some weight on!” Usually they mean well, but it doesn’t sound great. Sorry about your joint pain though, that sounds awful to deal with.
I used to be clinically obese, because that's what my doctor referred to me as but I was on the lower side of it. (5'2 at 184) But two years ago I dropped down to 144 and I've been bouncing around 146-150 since. I'm classified as mid-size too, but I still get told I need to drop a few. I'm at the point where I'm like I feel pretty healthy maybe your outdated BMI scale can go to hell.
I've been mid-size my whole life and had a lot of health problems growing up, specifically within my joints causing mobility issues. Long story short it took me not being able to walk during college for a week for doctors to take me seriously, because they thought I just "wasn't working out enough". It was found out that my brain was growing in my spine from birth and my health was ignored soley because I had a slightly heavier body type than "average". I could've been paralyzed. I hate American healthcare.
Oh my god????? Wow. I am so sorry for what you had to go through, though that is a powerful story,. By you simply existing and speaking, you are actively changing this blinded world. Sending love. 💝
I was in constant pain for months and it only got worse... doctors kept telling me to lose weight... I have fibromyalgia, hyper-mobility syndrome, congenital sacralization, and I still have to get tested for POTS... my weight fluctuates so much it is not connected... I am disabled and these assh*les wanna focus on my weight... I'm not even that big.. I really get you as much as possible
Oh my god, first of all, hope all is well. Secondly, thank you for talking about "mid size",aka chubby issues. I'm naturally a more stout build, even when I had a flat tummy, and gave always struggled with life in America. Clothes, healthcare, and general social existence. You're in that spot where you don't belong anywhere and nothing fits or suits you and if you do get attention from society it's negative still because you're overweight even if you're not "really fat". I've given up going to the doctor anymore because I get so glossed over with a "lose a little weight and you'll be good." As if my life long chronic illnesses, even before being overweight, have everything to do with my weight and not my ignored concerns about what's wrong with my immune system. I hate it here
This is so disgusting. Like 5 or 6 years ago, I contracted an infection that went undiagnosed for almost 10 months and I almost died from it. During this time, I lost 60 lbs and was sooooo skinny but in a sickly my cheeks and eyes are sunken in type of way. I can't count on my hands how many people kept telling me that I looked really good, despite me losing hair, having huge reddish purple blotches all over my body, physically shaking, and having very pale yellow skin. I looked good to them, as I was f*cking dying, because I wasn't fat. So when I recovered from it, I got a job cleaning houses, busting my ass 6-8 hours per day, plus ling weekend hikes, and daily 3-5 mile walks after work AND eating very clean. I STILL gained all of the weight back. I discovered that because of the shock and trauma that my body went through with endocarditis, I had developed hypothyroidism. And then I started hearing whispers throughout my extended family about how I've put on weight. It was like, no matter what I did, I still gained weight. I wasn't lazy and I was more active than I ever was when I was like 115 lbs. My body just didn't care. I had struggled with an ED for about 10 years by that time and just recently sought treatment for it because I was completely ruining my body. I just really hate how these people think that they know your situation based solely on how you look. I have been doing a lot of exercise to stay healthy since I have a few heart conditions and I want to live a healthy (for me) life, but due to those conditions, I tire out easily and the hypothyroidism makes it seemingly more difficult to lose weight, despite taking medication. And I really hate that I feel like I have to validate why I look the way that I do and feel hat I ned to prove to these yahoos that I am doing what I can.
Wow, sorry u had to go through that. Just know that no one, including u have to validate ur existence, all humans r ppl with their own stories, not just their looks
God I just hate doctors who just don’t do they’re job, like “you weigh 150 lbs there’s no way anything’s wrong with you! Look how skinny you are!” Or “you weigh 250? You just need to lose weight and you’ll be fine” like do your damn job and care about ppl ffs
A coworker of mine commented that I looked good cause I had lost weight. I basically told her, I starve myself, I have an eating disorder, it's not good for me to lose weight. She was just like ?
I've told people they look good even when they don't, because it feels rude to say otherwise. When I feel like hell, having someone say I LOOK that way makes it even worse. Can't speak for everyone that you encountered, but I guarantee some of those people were of the same mindset. I'm sorry you dealt with this 😢
I really appreciate you bringing men into this conversation as a man who has dealt with anorexia before. we aren't really included in the conversation often (I have since recovered)
Glad to hear you recovered, I definitely agree that men don’t seem to be brought into enough conversations regarding weight and there’s definitely ‘body standards’ placed on men too. Once again, glad you’re doing better and I hope that’s how it stays :)
it's so important to have as many different communities represented when it comes to discussions about mental health. the more we talk about these things together, the more resources we can provide to people who need them. and it's wonderful to hear you've recovered, that process can take a long time. hope you're doing well.
I love how these girls are like “you can’t expect the world to cater to you” yet expect every single person to cater to their standards of what being an acceptable person is
Being obese is not about someones standards, its unnatural and very unhealthy for humans to be obese. If you cant go on a freaking airplane or sit on a campingchair because of how fat(!) you are, that is not a problem with society, that is 100% a personal problem that should be very telling
@Shadow_Cherri-dk9sr Of course. However, afferming the delusion that you can ble healthy and obese at the same time does not help. True body positivity is about living yourself enough to lose weight.
@@Faireepowder You’re quite literary not though. Having more adipose tissue than what is normal for your hight, especially If it is visceral fat is unhealthy. Fat is not just there in the body, it effects your hormones and such. Meaning that if you are overweight (and we’re not talking about 10 kilos or something) it is by defenition unhealthy.
@@buffytvs2017a lot of fat people aren't fat by their accord. Steroids, hormonal medications, and etc will effect weight gain and loss, making it harder to lose weight while gaining weight. I have an autoimmune disease, lupus, and steroids for the treatment will cause me to gain weight. It's either gaining weight or having my body's cells attack my important organs.
HRH(Alex) is the literal LAST PERSON in the world I would take advice from. Half of her content is smoking, disordered eating habits, and just being overall mad about everything. So I don’t care what she thinks about weight, health, or even happiness. Like why is anyone trying to have a real conversation including her? She’s outright cruel.
@@gracieray3081 yes we don't get how rotted her brain is. even though she is trying to look like sarcastic while getting attention with screaming she just looks dumb and crazy.
it honestly surprises me how many "nice" people are fatphobic. I recently unfollowed this one buff influencer because she made a tiktok making fun of a fat girl by flexing with a caption saying "body positivity is for bodies who deserve it." She had been inspiring me to work out again and it was really disappointing to see.
I'm just seeing the other responses to this, but I'm sorry to say I forgot who she was. She had deleted the post a day later bc of backlash and doubled down saying that she wasnt trying to make fun of the girl when she clearly was since the original deleted vid was a duet to this one plus sized creator that said something like "even tummies deserve love"
i have a digestive disorder. when i was at my skinniest, i was also so sick i couldn’t keep any food in my body. i wasn’t absorbing any calories from the food i ate and absolutely miserable from pain and depression, but all my family members talked about was how “good” i looked and how i’d really slimmed down. at my current weight i’m the heaviest i’ve ever been AND the happiest. the fact that no one outside my household voiced concern for my health when i was at my skinniest simply because id been fat before that was extremely alienating and scary. i was dying, but all they could think about was how much better they thought i looked.
Absolutely. I was experiencing a mental health spiral and became the weight I was in elementary school and all of my family kept admiring how thin I got. Now I'm on meds so I gained a fair bit of weight and no one's mentioned my appearance in years. That's the problem with commenting on anyone's body type, positive OR negative.
fatphobes say they care about strangers' health when they're fat but i've never seen someone tell a stranger who smokes cigarettes that they're worried about their health
It's disturbing how much another person can make another person so angry. Like I'm gay or I'm fat so what?! You don't pay my bills and I don't pay yours so why do you care?!!
As a fat girl and a gay, i totally understand. Nothing about my existence should be seen as political nor should it be a topic of discussion. Just let me live bro
As someone who lost 160 lbs, the way other people treat you as a fat person is ten times worse. You don't realize it if you've only lived on either side of it. Suddenly having people smile at you after decades without it really drives the point home. How hard is it just to give everybody kindness and human respect?
My question exactly. I mean, women treat me very nicely. But men truly do dehumanize me for being fat. Calling me ugly and mocking me. Some guys literally compared me to Venus statue. Which is a "compliment" because Venus is awesome. And i bet with my mom how people will treat me differently when i lose weight. Now you know peoples true colors. Wish you the best. Focus on yourself.
@@gettingcalledoutontwitteri1882 that's because some people are bad. nice and friendly people do not mock or call people ugly because they're aware that it hurts their feelings, and they are empathetic. that being said, being fat is unattractive and people do treat unattractive people differently because attractiveness changes how people treat people
@@stormysideup2185 it's rare that people find fat people attractive. evolutionarily, human beings find youthful and healthy appearance attractive. a certain level of chubbyness is attractive (thic lol), as it implies good health. but fat is just unattractive so lets stop pretending
I lost about the same. Someone in a restaurant came up to me one time and said I’m “soooo pretty”. I’ve never in my life gotten a compliment from a stranger like that. Living on both sides opens your eyes. And if this girl in the video has like she said, she should know this.
True but they don't get to whine when their Doctors tell them to lose weight, when they don't get clothes that fit, when others don't want to date them...
@@pablosilva6932 Ackshually. A lot of doctors are fatphobic themselves and provide care based on their biases. Thin people also get heart disease and diabetes. Doctors are just people and subject to the same failings
@@manderly33 Did you know that non-smokers can also get lung cancer. Yeah no shit thin people can also be unhealthy. These doctors have these "biases" because they see a lot of unhealthy fat people and because being fat is unhealthy. Misdiagnoses happen regardless of fat, because drs assume that the problem at hand, is the one that it's most likely to be. If you're Tess Holliday size and complain about knee pain, it is most likely that it is caused by your weight. God I can't believe I fucking have to explain this.
My grandmother was dismissed by multiple doctors when trying to figure out why her breathing was getting worse by then just telling her to lose weight. She had lung cancer. If she hadn't kept advocating for herself and seeking other opinions she may not be here today because they assumed it was her weight without even doing the necessary examinations and tests.
relatable. my aunt had pancreatic cancer that was misdiagnosed by doctors as diabetes until it was stage 3 late, maybe stage 4. i'm not saying this so you feel bad that your grandmother survived and got a correct analysis - i just despise that so many people are treated like this when it's straight up stuff like CANCER. hope your grandma is well now or at least well-treated. my aunt is kicking oblivious-due-to-fat doctor's asses from heaven i'm sure
Her argument that she “used to be fat” but lost 40 pounds is SO. IRRELEVANT. I *did* used to be fat. I weighed 330 lbs. I now weigh 175. I *know* what it feels like to have all eyes on you, being afraid to eat in public, hell even *walking* was traumatic for me. I wasn’t fat because i was lazy or unhealthy, and i sure as hell wasn’t ugly. I have so much sympathy for these people they are talking about, and honestly i just feel so sorry for them that they have this mindset that fat = ugly, unhealthy, lazy. I will continue to fight for rights for fat people, especially medical rights, as i know how it feels and i never EVER want to make anyone else feel that way. Just care about people, man.
for real man. When I first went to college, I lost a lot of weight. I was down like 80 lbs and when I went to my doctor they said "oh you lost some weight, you need to lose more." like cool thanks for the motivation.... It's so subtle but it still hurts.
Was your inability to walk caused by the weight or a medical issue? Either way that's terrible and I'm so sorry you went through that. Glad you're doing better.
To be fair, we shouldn't judge how much weight someone lost beforehand to call themselves "fat", you know? This girls in the video are complete assholes, I'm not defending them. I'm just saying some people do feel that same level of fear and shame if they're just 10 pounds overweight. My highest weight was 210 lbs, I'm down to 185 lbs so far in a year. I'm not skinny, but I am fat still, and I am still nervous eating/going out in public or wearing most clothes.
2 times i experineced medical fatphobia : I had extreme bone pain . I went to so many doctors . All focused on my weight while i was on the verge of becoming paralysed because of how horrible that pain was . It wasnt until i went to a dermatologist that he gave me blood work after i told him about the bone pain . Turns out i had an extreme vitamin d deficiency , which pushed my body to break down my bones for calcuim . That pain that felt like knives scraping my bones from the inside was my bones disintegrating . And all doctors focused on was ur fat ur fat ur fat . Even after i lost some weight they didnt take me seriously . Thank god i was able to go see that dermatologist , bcz i had already started to feel my spine on the verge of snapping , and i could barelt walk by that time . He gave me the medicine i needed , no pain meds . The pain completely stopped within a week . And i was able to walk normally and exercise like i used to . (I was in a pro swimming team so i was very active but i was still fat cz i had an eating disorder) However , i still have weak bones , my teeth are fragile , and my joins arent fully recovered yet so i still have some joint pain . They let me suffer for more than a year because they couldnt order me a simple blood work since they were so busy talking about how fat i was. The second time something like this happened to me is during PE in school . I never skipped a day of PE even when i was fat . But during my 2nd year of middle school i started developping heart palpitations and difficulty breathing . It got so bad that i would pass out every time we did PE . Doctors also kept telling me ur just fat , lose weight lose weight . For the whole year and it only kept getting worse . On the 3rd year of middle school , i blacked out again , and the PE teacher was furious at how my mother didnt want to pull me out of PE altho i was passing out every PE class . She told him she didnt believe i was passing out and thought i was lying because i was "lazy and didnt want to work out" . The teacher called an ambulance as i was passed out , they took me to the ER . Turns out i had asthma . This whole time i had asthma and so many allergies that affected my breathing . And i also had inherited a heart condition from my grandma . But apparently i am a lazy fat lier .
I completely understand. I've had dizzy spells since I was 18. I'm now 39. Doctors have ignored them for decades because I'm fat. my current dr (who actually listens) is sending me to cardiology because I might have POTS. 21 years undiagnosed just because of my weight that has been a struggle due to PCOS. My current dr also got me a spinal MRI that I've needed since I was in a car accident at 20 to discover the undiagnosed spinal injuries that have slowly taken away my mobility over the last almost 20 years. I'm finally seeing specialists for it, but it's too late to do much more than manage my chronic pain and try to keep my mobility from disintegrating further. I used to walk 2 miles a day (even as fat as I was) now I can barely walk a block without my cane or walker. Medical fatphobia has literally destroyed my body and rendered me disabled.
I really feel you asthma story. NOBODY believed me, for many of my teenage years. I was worried and confused about how I struggled breathing during PE, but to my family and teachers it made perfect sense: fat young girl isn't fit because she's fat. It was only when I was 19 that I went to a specialist (Don't know the english title) who made an allergy and breathing test that showed I had allergic asthma....
The part that always irks me about this is when people say that being fat is a choice you make and that you're just lazy. I'm a bit overweight myself and have several health and mental health issues that cause that to fluctuate pretty drastically. But my biggest example of why that is so untrue is my mother. My mom is a certified fitness instructor who works out 6 days a week, works 3 jobs (only one of which involves sitting at a desk, the other two are very active, one being the fitness instructor job), and has one of the healthiest diets I've ever seen! The woman has bought specific bowls just for her salads because she eats them so much! And guess what? She's considered obese. If you looked at her, you would absolutely know that she is overweight. And she has dealt with issues like the woman on the plane and other places that are not fat people friendly. She is one of the healthiest people I know, but she is overweight. She has struggled with her weight her whole life and ended up having her thyroid removed because of cancer. But you wouldn't know that by looking at her! These bitches would look at her and call her lazy and that irks me to my core!
I really do not understand why people can't just not comment on fat peoples bodies. It's not that hard to not say anything - yet they never miss out on the slightest chance of contributing to fat phobia. Probably the number one argument they use would be ''I comment on your body cause it's unhealthy'' yet no one asked them for advise on nutrition nor do they ask skinny people if they have a healthy relationship with food. If you don't have anything nice to say just don't say anything, it's not that hard. If a fat person does not ask you for nutrition advise don't give it to them. Also most of the time the nutrition ''advise'' wouldn't be real advise but be just insults - It makes no sense to me
Lets not comment on anybodys body. fat, skinny, man, woman, child......its disgusting that anyone thinks a stranger cares what you think of their looks.
Absolutely agree! Also: the comment 'it's unhealthy' is also so lame. Many things in life are not healthy. Yet when do we ever see people point out the same 'unhealthy things' like they do to somebody who is fat/overweight/weight in general? Barely ever! I've had discussions about this before, and people always come up with the same reasons as to why things like partying, drinking and/or taking dr*gs every once in a while are okay and something they don't say shit about. Why? 'It's different'. Which might be very true because it's not the same thing as being overweigth, but it for sure is still not considered healthy. Like why does the health of some fat b*tch matter so much, when you don't have the same energy for your friend who just drank 12 glasses of alcohol? Why is that 'different'? It isn't different when it comes to things being considered healthy, yet people tend to often do those same things as well (drinking, partying, taking dr*gs) and don't want that same judgement (that they give fat people) passed onto them. People never have anything to say after that. They rather just say 'I was trying to help you' (because pointing out that somebody is fat is a such a big help 💀) and move on to a different subject. As a fat b*tch I get so much judgement for just existing. It's wild, and people will go through hoops to justify being nasty to me just because of my size.
People are just looking for someone to step on to feel better and that's the most unhealthy thing in their life atleast. Imagine having no achievements that will give you the chemical boost so you diss someone's body lmao.
Exactly, it's rude as fuck to comment on someone's appearance/ask about their health. As a fat woman myself, I absolutely don't buy for a second that some random stranger is "concerned" about my health. You're just looking for an excuse to be fatphobic. I only take health advice from my family, friends, and doctors.
Can we take a moment to appreciate that she used to word fat through out the whole video? SO many people treat the word fat like it's a slur when it isn't so seeing someone say fat folks instead of trying to find a way to say it just makes me happy
Going through the most recent comments has me tearing up. People are so VISCERALLY ANGRY online towards fat people just existing online. I'm so surprised and touched that people understand and sympathize with us. The last few days, I've seen so many people being so hateful towards fat people online. It's heartwarming to see Anna has fostered a wonderful and kind community who approaches this topic just as thoughtfully as she does.
What I am ANGRY about is this movement blaming everyone around them, especially white men and large people who diet and lose weight ... those people are now the ENEMY. And she CONGRATULATES an anorexic for GAINING weight, but insists no one should ever lose weight! The hypocrisy is jaw dropping. Just look at what Eugenia gets. BOTH extremes make choices as adults, yet neither wants criticism. They are in the same boat rowing different directions. It's all passing me off. You cannot force people to be attracted to any one thing.
@@mimibee626 You missed the point of the whole video. It isn't about losing weight is bad/good. It's your weight should not affect how people treat you or your opportunity. I am 5'10 and over 200 lbs, and that is a healthy weight for my body type. A DOCTOR TOLD ME that if I was under 170, that was an issue. Different body types have different weights that are healthy for them. Unless you are their doctor, mind your business. Unless I don't understand the emphasis on CONGRATULATES. ED recovery is very difficult and of course should be encouraged! Even if you don't have an ED, weight gain can be great for you. (Again, 170 would be an unhealthy weight for me.) And about the movement blaming "white men" and people who "diet and lose weight", that isn't the reason people are criticizing them. White cis men are the people who hold the most power, and they are the most likely to push the false narrative that "Fat people, or gaining weight, is always bad!". And they aren't made at people who diet or lose weight. They are mad that is the expected thing to do for every fat person, regardless of genetics, body type, blood disorders or other health issues. This all can be wrapped up with: If you aren't a doctor, and don't know their medical history MIND YOUR BUISNESS! I don't mean to be condescending, this is just what everyone needs to do.
Oh, WOW YEAH! I should really lose weight. Maybe I can try cutting of limbs! My doctor said I have the right amount of muscle and fat for me to be healthy, but this internet stranger said I was overweight- Lemme quickly chomp off my arm! No but seriously, for starting an educational conversation one this: This is my doctor approved healthiest weight. My body type is at its healthiest. Unless you are a doctor, know my specific body type, AND I've asked for input: Don't be dick, and keep my health out of your mouth.
When I was at my skinniest, it was because I was starving myself, over-exercising, self-harming, dealing with an ED that controlled my entire life, and drowning in crippling anxiety and untreated severe mental illness. These assholes would have told me I looked great when I was in the worst health of my life. Everyone: please seek mental healthcare and find healthy coping mechanism to deal with the stressors in your life.
I feel you, I also used to SH and over exercise at my skinniest, people would complement me but I literally just couldn’t see it. It wasn’t until I healed from my body dismorphia that I looked back and realized just how thin I was. Just because you are skinny doesn’t mean you’re healthy.
The two times I was at my skinniest were when I was 17-19 and addicted to meth, next was when I was 39 and gave myself rhabdomyolysis by overexercising and had to be on dialysis for a month. Neither one is healthy.
I was in the same situation, I was barely eating but people kept telling me I looked great so I kept not eating. After lots of therapy, I’ve started eating better and I’ve gained weight but I feel much healthier than I did before
same here. I've recovered now but I still have such an unhealthy lifestyle. I JUST KNOW that if these people saw me, they wouldn't treat me like someone who is overweight, even though I almost never exercise, eat unhealthily and sit around most of the day. I can guarantee there are plenty of overweight people living much healthier lives than me and are still being blamed for "getting themselves into that situation". it's sad that people can openly voice such hateful opinions, but even some of the other girl's supporters are unhappy with her video.
you can be polite and also acknowledge that being fat is both unhealthy and unattractive. also, sometimes motivating people requires harsh truth, sometimes said in an ugly way. for example, telling a smoker their breath stinks might make them want to quit more than if you said "smoking is bad".
@@devinmcgroot7560 (sorry for the long read) poc still don’t appear in media as much as white people do because its not as ideal. even to this day, if a person of color were to appear in a movie or tv show, people will be very quick to say that its too woke for them to watch just because there are black people existing in that movie or tv show. Moses Ingram, a black woman who appears in Obi Wan, has gotten so many racist dms as well as death threats just because she appears within the Star Wars universe now. yes we may still appear on tv, but it’s definitely not as accepting as it should be still to this day.
@@jnoelleart 1. poc should not appear in media AS MUCH AS white people. there should not be a 1:1 ratio, because that's absurd and silly. You also don't want a 1:1 men to women ratio. Also, if you look at ratios, America is only 10% black people so why would there be 50% black people in media? Either way, it's a silly idea. I dont watch star wars
Imagine thinking so highly of yourself in the worst ways possible🤢 you are so right about the fact that they’re just high school mean girls disguised as adults..
To be honest neither of them fit society’s standards of beauty and the both are not gonna win miss America I have no clue who they are to call other women fat and ugly.
@@charlottexroyalty7819 I didn’t know people turned into products, I must have missed that update. Cause no way anyone is proudly rating living human beings
@@charlottexroyalty7819so, according to you, what is the minimum a person must rate to have the right to call someone else ugly? Do they have to be at least a 3, a 5, maybe a 6.2? Please enlighten us. I don’t think I have to point out, although I’ll do it anyway, that your way of thinking is what constitutes as true ugliness. Even homelier is your need to post it as if it’s something insightful and helpful. It really isn’t the vibe you think it is.
that's so funny how alex couldn't come up with a rebuttal as to why fat people shouldnt go to the beach in their bikinis and she said 'its just mean' 💀
My sister used to be super fat phobic. Until her mental health took a dive and she began to self meditcate with food and sleeping all day and became fat. It sucks that it took a body change of her own for her to gain empathy. Unfortunately that's how most people exist. Not unable to have any empathy until they experience exactly what another person is. I can't imagine being like that.
Being in the opposite end can give empathy too I’ve found. I was once an 18 year old at 70 pounds, the comments I received were anything but good. I couldn’t imagine the comments obese people get.
I get the feeling that alex actually hates herself deep down in her heart and she is bothered by how others can NOT hate themselves at a higher weight and probable "ugliness"
it really really just feels like she's just putting her own internalized hatred and traumatic experiences with her weight onto other people and it's sad to watch
Depends what you mean. If you mean that a fat person should be able to walk down the street without someone yelling insults at them , that's reasonable. If you mean that unless we pretend that obesity doesn't cause health problems, we're not decent people, that's unreasonable.
You never ever need to comment on someone’s body good or bad. When i was super skinny and underweight everyone told me I looked amazing. When i finally hit a healthy weight i stopped receiving compliments. body compliments can cause ED too so just don’t talk about peoples bodies ever
@@Smithpollywe arent pretending that being underweight/overweight cant cause health issues.....both sides of the coin can! its just you dont get to treat people like shit because of their weight.....i mean, its none of your buisness what another person weighs, its not your body after all.
@@junkerburn2341 As I said in my comment :"If you mean that a fat person should be able to walk down the street without someone yelling insults at them , that's reasonable. " so clearly I don't think that you get to treat people like shit because of their weight. Secondly, there are people who are pretending / lying that being overweight doesn't cause heallth issues. Thirdly, it's your business what another person weighs if that person is your child and you are responsible for their health or if that person is your spouse and you are taking care of them. And while, the weight of a stranger isn't your business as an individual, as a society we have to be aware of the rate of obesity in society because so many services will be impacted. If 50% of the people in a society are obese, we know for a fact that a lot more resources of that society will have to go into tackling diabetes, for example. than if 5% of that society is obese.
'its not that i hate fat people (which they very obviously do) I'm just HONEST' - skinny girls after bullying the life out of someone who isn't a size 00 in the name of 'health/concern'
@@jsevestjanova This reminds me when mostly guys bullied me bc i am socially anxious and depressed and i guess i deserved it bc i should just not be weird so people would treat me like a human being,like,the logic yuckk
Trigger warning for the mention of anorexia and disordered eating in this; I can never imagine denying the existence of medical fatphobia because of an experience I had with a dietician/gastroenterologist while overweight. So, I had developed disordered eating and started dropping weight extremely quickly, my mother had seen this and taken me to a dietician to make sure what I was doing was healthy. (spoiler alert it was not) And when I talked about how I ate about 800-1000 calories per day and was excessively exercising, the dietician said I should raise it up only to 1100-1200 and that I was doing well. That entire appointment validated the idea that my disordered habits were good and about 2(?) or so months later I had lost about 35-40 pounds from my habits. My mother had her suspicions so she took me to an eating disorder clinic and I was diagnosed with anorexia. It’s safe to say we never saw that dietician again. Ignorance sucks, man.
This is a similar experience to mine. On the couple of years I was not "overweight" (according to BMI 🙄), I had a raging eating disorder. Like my resting heartrate was about 35bpm and my hair fell out. My doctors described this as "healthier" than carrying extra weight and pretended literally alarms didn't go off every time someone hooked me up to a heart rate machine. But these women would be fine with it, because me slowly dying didn't inconvenience them on an aeroplane.
Isn't 2000 calories like the minimum to *maintain* your weight if you're a teenager that *doesn't* exercise??? And you were exercising, so I can't imagine that anything under 1500 is a good idea even if you want to lose some weight.
“That entire appointment validated the idea that my disordered habits were good ” he literally told u to Raise your calorosa intake, didn’t say u were doing good. And it take more visit to arrive at a solution, one visit is not going to resolveanything
i hate when people say "the fat acceptance movement is just people wanting to be praised for being 300lbs!" like, no one is asking you to praise them, or claiming that being 400 pounds is healthy, they're asking you to treat them like a normal person, instead of acting like if you aren't constantly killing yourself to become skinny you might as well never leave the house so no one has to look at you
@@jordannewsom3606 first of all, i think everyone complains about not getting dates, no matter who they are, and if they want free seats tbh i don't give a shit, that gives you more space as well so why are you complaining? do you not realize you also get more space or do you just want other people to not have things second of all, yes the majority of fat people are in the movement, but the minority of the movement preach that being morbidly obese is healthy, a lot of them just want to be treated with respect instead of them just existing being some kind of statement and inviting insults and judgement under the pretense people are "just worried about your health!!" when let's be real they don't care about a stranger's health, they just want to be treated the same as everyone else
@@jasperjazzie No. America's population is 60% overweight. There is no way that the majority of fat people are in the movement online. It's not that big as you think. And I'm not worried about a random fat person's health. But if you're online expecting US to celebrate obesity, don't get angry when people go against it. I'm trying to slim down now. I don't want to be involved in that stuff. This is a minority thing. Once I'm off the internet this stuff isn't there.
As someone who used to weigh 400 pounds, but now maintains around 190 pounds, on the edge of the "normal"/"overweight" categories for my height, I have such mixed feelings about the Body Positivity movement, mostly the HAES section of the movement. Fighting against medical fatphobia is one thing, but spreading the misinformation that extreme obesity doesn't cause increased risk for other conditions or that weight loss/maintaining weight loss is next to impossible is just irresponsible. Doctors often focus way too much on weight as a factor in health, to the exclusion of other possibilities, but weight is a large factor in your health, especially at the extremes and does need to be taken into account. When I was 400 lbs, I had so much joint pain, pre-diabetes, and high blood pressure, and now that is all just gone. I physically feel so much better. Also, these two people suck
I think the problem with long term weight loss is how much your life circumstance and environment play a role. How many hours a week do you work? What type of job? How much stress? How many fast food places on the way home, cost of groceries, who are your friend/family? So many factors that are so hard to control. That's the problem. Having reasonable advice for what you can and cannot change and having reasonable expectations is important.
@@Pensnmusic Yeah, it's definitely not an easy thing to do, especially for the first few years, it requires a lot to build up the new habits that allow you to maintain, especially considering the prevalence of hyperpalatable food and the limits on access to whole foods in modern society. Also, the prevalence of fad diets and diet culture have warped the public perception of how weight maintence should work. Losing large amounts of weight over a short time, with an overly restrictive diet that isn't sustainable is not healthy and is almost guaranteed to lead to regain.
I definitely hear you. As someone who has a history of disordered eating and yoyo dieting, I like the idea of haes because it acknowledges that weight isn't always the most important aspect of health. Like me attempting to actively lose weight right now would throw me back into such unhealthy eating/exercising habits and poor mental health patterns that it would be more damaging to me overall than just accepting my body the way it is and focusing on improving my health in whatever ways I can. And I think part of why haes is a thing is to encourage people who are fat to still take care of our health at whatever size we are and not to just assume that our health is a lost cause unless we can lose weight, which is just not always possible. But I also agree that many people misunderstand this and think we're saying that there are literally no health risks to being fat or benefits to losing weight, which is definitely not the case. For some people weight loss really can improve their health, and I'm super happy that's gone well for you.
@@stellablake6200 Yeah, I know that a lot of the HAES community view HAES the way you do, and I have no issue with that view of it, and I'm glad that it's helped you find a way to focus on your health that works well for you. The problem is that many HAES influencers have made claims that don't necessarily reflect the same understanding of HAES that you and much of the HAES community may have, and reach into the realm of medical misinformation. And because those people have a large voice and are seen as representing the community by the larger public, those views have unfortunately become associated with HAES in the public eye.
Just wanted to say thank you for sharing your experience. I also used to be over 400lbs at 5’5”. I was only 25 but I was in constant pain. My heart, lungs, back, and joints were constantly screaming at me. Everything was uncomfortable. I denied myself activities that I enjoyed because I physically could not do them. Two years ago I started working with my doctor and my therapist and I began losing weight very slowly. I feel amazing and I am excited to continue making choices that are reasonable and healthy for me, but this is MY journey. It’s no one else’s and I would not presume to offer health advice or critique to anyone else. I have received a lot of negative and unsolicited feedback from fat friends as I lose weight and it’s genuinely so hurtful. They have implied that I’ve “sold out” by making choices that have resulted in my body getting smaller. Like nah friend, I haven’t sold out, I just didn’t want to feel like dying anymore! 🙃
That HRH woman has been *screaming* the most awful, mean, horrific things into a camera and uploading it to RUclips for years. The things she says that somehow don’t get her banned is mind blowing 🤯
@@besainted I agree she may have some form of issues, whatever they may be. However they do not excuse her racist, homophobic, transphobic, fatphobic, narcissistic, bigoted videos where she also loves to shame people with any form of disability or mental health issue. She and Christian Walker should just merge their RUclips channels.
I don't take seriously anyone who films stuff in their car, so strike one for her. Then I actually listened to what she was "saying" (quotes because she's not actually saying anything, just churning out hot air) and realized they should receive the Guinness world record for Karenism
I am a man struggling w anorexia and bringing guys into the convo really helps with the stigma. I think the entire time ive been in treatment there was one other guy so its good to know people recognize our suffering.
It sickens me when people think they have an all holy mentality about body issues because they were once fat. These people are the harshest, calling you lazy. They think just because they did it means everyone is able to. They think being fat is ugly, gross and outright unacceptable. And more credibility is given to them because it's their personal experience The thing is: 99% of the time these people still hate themselves, more specifically their fat selves. They're convinced that being fat is inherently wrong, and that everyone who is should make an effort not to be. They are hard on themselves still and fear gaining weight again more than anything. Basically, they are projecting their insecurities onto others and are convinced that they're doing the right thing You can see it so well at 28:50. She doesn't have any argument, yet she's desperate to take happiness away from fat people because she was never able to be happy whilst being fat
Absolutely! They talk about this reality a lot on the Maintenance Phase podcast. Having been formerly fat and losing about 1/3 of my weight when I was 17, a lot of what you said is correct: for many years, I *did* hate myself still, and I held a lot of anti-fat bias and judgment towards fat people. Eventually, I realized that I didn't lose weight because I was more hardworking or whatever- I lost weight because I STARVED myself and gave myself disordered eating for years to come. Continued reflection and reading on this topic led me to learn how deeply embedded anti-fat bias is in healthcare and society overall, to the point that we don't acknowledge how being overweight can be a protective factor in many cases. More than that, I learned that, jeez, some people don't WANT to lose weight or change how they look and that's absolutely fine!!! TLDR; former fat person who lost 50lbs through basically starvation but lied to myself thinking it was due to hard work, thereby allowing judgment of fat people and fat bodies. Former fat people are indeed some of the most rampantly anti-fat. I realized how fucked up this all was. I've grown a lot since then, I promise!!!
Honestly when I hear her talking about being fat it sounds like what she's actually saying "I developed an eating disorder and I don't understand why everybody doesn't do that to get skinny" .
I agree there’s no justifying in attacking fat people for no reason. I’m considered an ex - fat person myself. But sustainable weight loss is challenging. Do I force it on others? Absolutely not, but I try to educate others one what’s realistic in health goals. Is losing weight a good decision? That’s up to the individual and how they feel.
it was the constant talk about being 'lazy' or people 'needing more self control' (because they're fat, so they obviously lack self control, right?) that drove me into some incredibly unsafe habits as a teenager that was already struggling. It's a horrible mentality and it's insidious how it warps your perception of yourself and the world around you.
@@bestaqua23 100% this. With the amount of absolute hatred she has towards fat people, you can just feel the self loathing she's projecting onto others. She doesn't like them reminding her of how she used to be fat (and 40 lbs heavier on her is not "fat" imo, but that's besides the point) and doesn't understand why they don't just 'fix it' (through any means necessary).
@@pidu4588 If it's only an American issue, then clearly eating habits alone doesn't cause this problem. If it's only happening in one place, then obviously there's more to the story. A lot of western countries have more restrictions on what sort of things they can put into their food that they sell at the grocery store. Even the "healthy" food that's marketed towards Americans isn't really that healthy and is just nothing but a scam. And in a lot of places, even if you want to eat healthier, you don't really live near any proper grocery stores. If you look at a lot of small towns, often the only kind of places people can get food is from places like The Dollar Store, and in the cities, food deserts are a big problem. Plus, in most western countries, the cities tend to be more walkable than most parts of the US. It's not that non-Americans are just more conscious about health. To maintain a healthy weight and avoid obesity, you need proper nutrition and exercise, and it's a lot easier to do that outside of the US than it is within. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's certainly more challenging. I've heard stories of people from European countries moving to the US and gaining weight after being there for just a couple of months, and I've heard Americans who have said that when moving to some European country, they've actually lost weight, even though they didn't really go to the gym or make plans to work out. They basically lost weight without even trying. When you have better access to nutrition and you're basically forced to walk everywhere more rather than forced to drive your car everywhere, you're gonna be physically (and probably mentally) healthier, even without meaning to.
The funny thing is all of they're arguments can easily be contradicted but if someone says anything its false and they're overly sensitive, when science literally proves us right.💀
fatphobia is a real thing in medical healthcare. during teen years my gf started to gain weight really fast, she was athletic, she starved herself for days, but still was gaining weight. endocrinologist said that she's lying and just eat sweets at night. gynecologist told her she needs to loose weight and that she have "fatty thighs". she literally have bulimia and is really struggling with food (shes recovering now!!). a friend of mine was also diagnosed with hypothyroidism only at 20 yo because her whole childhood and teenagehood she was told she just need to eat less and that shes just obese. she also starved herself for MONTHS and lost 30 kg with this medical condition. otherwise me, underweight, was diagnosed with autoimmune thyroiditis at 13. medical care really need to stop fatshame people and start to properly diagnose patients of every body size.
One time I was getting my blood drawn and the nurse said she was having trouble finding the vein due to cellulite on my forearm🤦🏾♀️ . I called her out on it immediately and I laugh now but it's immensly pathetic. I hope this story brings a smile to your face because you and your gf are not alone to medical bullshit. And congrats to your gf on her recovery! 🎉
I went in because my dr. I've had most my life quit. Litterarly withing the first conversation he brought up my weight. I'm like 309. I'm also 5'11 and a cis women and a jr. in college(I'm 21) so... also my weight has stayed around 280-290 for a good 6 years. And when I mentioned 'hey I'm concerned of developing an ED becuase well I probably already have one but we just aren't going to address it' he pretty much said that It doesn't matter and I should still look into losing weight. Thanks dude. I will just earse years of trauma and issues connected food so that I can be healthy. Not to mention I've spent a decade wanting to off myself so I'd rather be as happy as I can for as long as I can than to worry about my body. I didn't think i'd make it to 21, so if I make it to 50 I lived a long life.
I feel the urge to send this vid to my mom because she only RECENTLY began to understand the ramifications of fatphobia in different aspects of life, and that's only because I finally went to the dr about a mass in my armpit after seeing a diff dr TEN YEARS AGO who told me it's just like that bc I'm fat. My mom realizing that now I have to have surgery and how much it's grown because of that instance is the only thing that's helped her understand what fat people (like me) have to face
My uncle passed away from cancer bc his doctor was pushing it off as his weight and my aunt made him go to her doctor and then sent him to get it tested in December and then it was basically too late bc it was stage 3 and spread so he had to do chemo then he passed away that may in 2015
Sad reality for people overweight. I’ve also had issues with medical bias and fat phobia. My mother also hasn’t realized the effects I’ve had to live with. Will definitely in the future recommend this video to her. Hopefully get the same response as your mom.
they fail to consider the factor of mental health that plays into laziness. what do they expect like?? thanks girlies! you cured my depression by calling me ugly fat and lazy! how nice of you to tell me the truth! let me just go be skinny now!!
@@adettessubs444 same. I didnt know if i was overweight and depressed that i should just think positive and work out! Such a genius idea! People will treat me nicely because im no longer a fatty
I was a chubby kid ever since I was little, and didn't really exercise much. But I remember at 4th grade I noticed my ankle was swelling up, and it hurt so much to run and walk. My parents blamed it on my weight, and told me to exercise more. So it turns out I had a severe flatfoot, and the only reason my parents got me help was because my math teacher noticed it and told them. I'm still grateful for my teacher, because it could have turned out much worse.
My late cousin was close to 400lbs in 2013. That same year, she made a commitment to lose weight so she could pursue her dream of being a chef. Over the course of the next two years, she lost close to 150lbs, and she started to live independently while attending culinary school. Then, in late 2015, she was diagnosed with aggressive brain cancer. The surgery to remove the tumors caused her to lose almost all of her sight and triggered Cushings Disease. Her body was producing excess cortisol, any amount of sugar treated as ten times as much by her body. Her weight and health spiraled out of control. Type 2 diabetes, gangrene from minor scrapes, permanent bruising. Some tumors reappeared in 2018, but pneumonia took her before the cancer could. It was not only painful to watch such a positive, amazing person deteriorate rapidly over four years, but it was infuriating to see the way people looked at her whenever we were in public. Luckily, she couldn’t see the disgust or outright disdain on other’s faces. I wanted to scream at those people - what happened to her was entirely out of her control. She was the kindest, most caring, and most hard-working person I’ve ever had the pleasure of knowing. But strangers didn’t see that. All they saw was her body.
@@KyleBruhVloski it was quite difficult, but also entirely expected. She was in so much pain; it was a comfort to know that death was an escape from her suffering. I still have good memories of helping her paint after she lost most of her vision. I have odor-color synesthesia, so our collaborative works were a sort of exploration of the senses. She also got me into origami. I have tons of paper cranes and frogs scattered around my apartment.
This is honesty heartbreaking that when you search up "fatphobic" on RUclips the first thing that comes up is a video actually justifying fatphobia. As someone recovering from anorexia I was trying to find some positivity regarding my weight gain and seeing so many people literally promoting disordered behaviour is sad. Thank you so much for making this video, it's incredibly helpful
i'm a man but just because i have wider hips than normal, i gain weight easier and it clearly shows on my body. even as a "mid-size" man i still suffer from fatphobia very frequently. thank you for including us :)
Whenever I got put on my current medicine, my doctor told me, "Hey! On this medicine, you will lose some weight. Which everyone loves, aint that right?". What i was not told was that i would be throwing up or had diarrhea and would not be able to eat that much without throwing up
Whenever I hear talking points from these "Anti-woke" "conservatives," I find that my mind automatically goes to a counter-argument related to Japanese culture and society (I'm Japanese.) For this specifically. The sport of Sumo. I've never once heard these people bring up Sumo, when it's always the first thing that comes to mind for me. Sumo wrestlers eat healthy, they're active, they consistently consult with nutritionists and trainers, and most relevant to the topic, they're all obese. They deliberately, in a controlled environment, eat to gain weight. They're living contradictions to the arguments that fat people are that way by their own shortcomings, and are therefore putting themselves in an unhealthy condition. (Which let's be real, they don't care that many obese people are highly susceptible to cardiovascular diseases, etc.) People can just eat healthy and be fat. I know American/Western culture comes from a different perspective with unhealthy foods being most accessible, but eating, unhealthy or healthy, causes weight gain. How shocking.
As a fat athlete who does boxing and high endurance sports I love that you emphasized that people can be fat and healthy (athletic) People are always surprised when I Can lift 80-90 pounds easily. But oh. I’m a size 18-19 so pardon me for being strong and fat 😂
nope. It's still unhealthy, to be strong you have to have a lot of fat which is very hard on your body. The strongest weightlifters are very fat and what about it? They are also on steroids, just because you are strong doesn't mean you body is fine with it. They usually die earlier (weightlifters do too). Their heart is overworked. Their organs are fatty, they have metabolism issues from the sheer amount of food they have to consume. You can't eat healthy and be fat because to be fat you gotta eat more than your body needs, simple as. Overeating, not eating causes weight gain, it's just calories in, calories out. When are you people gonna understand this
Edit: Oops, I misread your post @ashr00m and I thought you were saying that Sumo wrestler _are_ healthy and not that they _eat_ healthy. My original post has nothing to do with your point. My apologies. Original Post: Don't sumo wrestler have a reduced life expectancy in comparison to the average Japanese man?
I’m not even fat, I weigh 130, it’s the healthiest I’ve been in 18 years. I weighed 98 pounds on my 17th birthday…last year. I’ve been made fun of for my weight my entire life being told I look anorexic, asked if I even eat, told to “eat a sandwich” and in the last year those same people have switched to “wow you’ve gained some weight” “you should eat less” “do you exercise?”….I have had no control over my weight ever, I was so skinny because my metabolism was way to fast for me to ever keep up with, and now I’m big because of my medicine….so please tell me again what you want from me? You’re gonna make fun of me for being skinny, you’re gonna make fun of me for being fat, so what do you want from me? I’ve just found your videos Annamarie and I absolutely adore them, you’re hilarious❤️❤️
Same, and from people I thought were my friends posting it publicly on my socials. 😑 Honestly the ugly comments are just projections of their own self hate onto you. In the worst of times, I started to dislike people in general. My dog was my most loyal and loving ally, pulling me out of my slump to go outside and get my self esteem back.
I would kill to be 130 pounds lol. But honestly people need to learn how to keep their mouths shut. When I was younger I used to beat ass whenever someone said anything remotely rude to me because I refused to be bullied. Then in middle school I stopped fighting because I was scared I would get stabbed and the bullying was atrocious. I was very short and chubby and people would bully me all the time about it. Then in high school I got an eating disorder and a growth spurt and became thin but I was still being bullied for being ugly and a bitch. Now I’m an adult and I have very attractive men obsessed with me and it’s a lot to take in I feel like l have a duty to be attractive and adhere to the male gaze and it’s tiring. I feel like women would be able to get at lot more accomplished if individuals would stop policing our bodies.
@rexs.5188you can't just "ignore them" that's not how mental health works sadly I still have issues showing my face cause something a "close friend" told me in FOURTH GRADE (they said I should never be a RUclipsr cause of how I looked. I was average looking at the time)
@@koffiecake it’s ridiculous that she’s so concerned about weight to the point she’ll psychologically trick herself into thinking she ate a lot? did i offend you or something?
@@koffiecake i’m literally just pointing out the fact that she most likely has disordered eating. it’s not that i’m treating her in any way, but it’s not good to eat the way she’s eating and she’s talked a lot about eating tips. and you’re very focused on the fact i brought up chips, she doesn’t just do it with chips, it’s how she eats everything- which is not safe for your health.
@@koffiecake there’s no reason to defend someone when they’re encouraging their followers to psychologically trick themselves into eating less to lose weight. sorry?
@@koffiecake and it has absolutely nothing to do with gender. i’ve actually talked to MULTIPLE men about disordered eating and how it’s unsafe for them to just cut back everything bc they wanna lose weight and work out without food in their system.
@@koffiecake growing up in figure skating, it’s everyone around you that’s struggling with body issues, not just women. so believe me, i would not treat a man any differently.
As a type 1 diabetic fatphobia literally has made it HARD AS FUCK to get ANYONE to take the insulin crisis seriously. Because apparently since some people feel like diabetics "did it to themselves"(ok besties, because there's no other factors for developing Type 2) we ALL suffer. "Just get healthy", if you are a type 2 diabetic and get put on insulin it's going to take a month to a year+ of diligent work, people say "reverse" it like it's easy to lose 100+ lbs. A type 2 diabetic has all the shitty stigma for diabetes and NONE of the sympathy and it's insane.
I was at a "healthy weight/BMI" when I was dealing with a "phase-like eating disorder" (without lasting effects). It sucks that I was accepted by doctors, peers, and family when I was unhealthy and skinny as a result of mental illness, but after gaining weight it all changed. I am suddenly "overweight" when I no longer fear food. It's cruel.
Also if you look into the history of 'healthy' weights its all outdated, and simply wrong. People weren't eating right, and most were going hungry. Not to mention the affect hunger has on later generations.
EXACTLY also weight can be affected by chronic illness, plenty of people can't maintain a "good" (emphasis on the quotations) body weight due to illness related stuff like medication, dietary restrictions, mobility issues making exercise harder, etc.
With that mindset you wont. Many people have healed chronic illnesses they were told will never go away. But modern, western medicine wont talk about it.
Ok but like, who's legitimately saying this? Who's actually saying that being unhealthy is immoral? Because you're right, it's not, but when people say X thing is "good for you" or "bad for you" , they're not saying you're an inherently better or worse person because of it, what they mean is that it's beneficial or harmful to you. And yeah, you can't help your chronic illness, you'll never be truly healthy, but health isn't this standard that, if you don't meet it, you're inherently a bad person or unworthy of respect as a human being or whatever. It's about taking care of your body, for your own sake, because at the end of the day you're the one living in it, and you're the one who's gonna suffer the effects of poor health, even if your poor health is for reasons that are beyond your control, so why wouldn't you want to do what you CAN do (regardless of how little it is) to maintain the highest level of health that you possibly can reach?
"When you coddle people, you handicap them." Yeah, I bet fat people feel really coddled when people don't provide comfortable spaces for them and get everything blamed on their fatness. You're very well-spoken and the editing on this is, though simple, very clean. Good on you for making this!
@@jamdoe6486 physical reality is not made for your comfort, how self centered can you be? Gravity is real and so is cost. The fact a chair exists that can't fit you isn't the fault of the standardized chair. It's a sign that you should be losing the weight if you keep breaking them or can't fit. not that everyone else needs to build and pay for your comfort.
@@VF555xx do you think that I'm blaming a chair... instead of the industries that decide not to accommodate people of different sizes? If a person with a wheelchair couldn't move around in a building, would you tell them to grow up and learn to walk? Also did you not watch the part of the video which talks about how there are genetic factors to body shape? It's not a case of "lose weight", which the video also points out can be an unsustainable effort.
@@jamdoe6486 how dare you compare losing a leg to being obese. Stop lying and using the struggles of others to make excuses. No it's not genes or body shape bs you literally can't be fat without maintenance of a high calorie diet. That's a fact, just like the fact building a super sized industrial chair obviously cost more and uses more material. So unless you want to personally build it and pay for it why would everyone else do it for you?
What always confuses me about the health argument is that there are so many things that are unhealthy that aren't judged so harshly. Just think about how many of us don't get enough sleep, how overworking yourself is encouraged and all that, it really feels like an excuse...
@@SeaBreeze-w9999 no but it's definitely romanticised to a degree and no one is commenting condescending shit on videos that are like "haha running on three hours of sleep and two energy drinks".... There doesn't need to be a liberation movement because people aren't bullied for that...
@@lilaboxx So the fat liberation movement is necessary because of bullying? Bullying of fat people means there needs to be a movement to pretend there's nothing wrong with obesity, to demand people be attracted to fat people, to push for fat people to be accommodated everywhere at all costs?
@@SeaBreeze-w9999 it's just about letting people live their life without constantly patronising them. If a fat person is just existing on social media they're not "promoting" obesity, they're just vibing. Let them.
@lilaboxx It's just about letting people live their life. And demanding people be open to dating them. And pretending there's nothing unhealthy about obesity. And shaming people who celebrate their own weight loss. And demanding all airlines, restaurants, hotels etc. cater to them.
27:55 And for a while I felt ashamed to even exercise cause I thought I looked gross. SO NO. Calling people ugly and fat shaming them will not make them "do better". It'll just make them depressed.
as a thin person myself,this behavior absolutely disgusts me. ive been insecure about my body all my life because of what others have told me. I'm a mild case. i cant imagine what people heavier than me go through. my mother who is one of the healthiest people I know, is mid-size. weight and health do not go hand in hand! ugh! people with this mindset really keep society from moving forward
Same here! I'm also a thin person and all my life people have made really uncomfortable comments about my body about how thin I am. Of course, I'm on one end of the spectrum and have no idea how hard it must be for folks larger than me, but one thing I do know is that these biases are definitely sickening to me.
As someone who isn’t overweight, this was still a blood boiling video. I can’t understand how two women can bring other people down like that, especially after hearing about their experiences. I never knew that plus sized people had such a prejudice against them on airlines either; something that I think isn’t right and should be talked about more. But to think that, even after hearing someone only saying “you don’t need to lose weight to enjoy life”, two people could be that petty and self-righteous about the way other people look? It’s disgusting.
can we all agree that midsized doesn't exist in society?? if you're not skinny, you're treated like you're fat by peers, doctors, family, and others. i've dealt with it my whole life and being called midsized and "not that fat" is a slap in the face.
you have to acknowledge that you do not have the same experiences as fat people who are bigger than standard shop sizes though. we are literally treated as sub-human, and you have to acknowledge that our experiences are different.
@@jifij89 that's not what I meant to convey with this comment, my problem is that people have a problem with me calling myself fat and get offended because i'm "midsized." i'm over 200 lbs and i've dealt with bullying, gossip, and all that other shit. I get that you are treated worse depending on circumstances, but i don't think we should be getting offended at girls calling themselves fat and owning it. sorry i forget that tone can't be conveyed over text 😭
@Marianne S i’m around a 10-12 and i still get treated like i’m fat lol. i get treated A LOT better than when i was a size 18-20 so i’m not denying fatter folks get treated worse and deal with much worse oppression, but yeah i definitely still don’t get treated the same way as my thin friends. just a month ago i had someone tell me i would be perfect for them if ‘i were a bit smaller.’ this wasn’t someone i was interested in or anything, just a random customer that came into my work. granted it was definitely a neg but the point stands that even as a 10-12 with an hourglass shape people still view me as fat enough to neg about it.
I’ve been both underweight and obese. The treatment to fat folks in absolutely insane. I can’t post anywhere without some random calling me fat and bringing my weight into it. People always say the same “eat healthy and workout” to lose weight when there is so much more that actually goes into it, like you said. I gain over 100lbs in a year due to medication that saved my life. I also have pcos and have 4 diagnosed mental health disorders. Plus add working full time. These things all play a role in being able to lose weight. I don’t deny being fat can cause health issues but I also acknowledge being fat isn’t always inherently unhealthy. It’s all situational. I swear most people see my 600lb life and think all fat people exist that way. At the end of the day, if you don’t like fat people, whatever, just give respect. It’s sad that so many people treat fat people like they are somehow less than them simply because of their weight. Our worth should not be exclusive to our weight.
same. lol i use pictures of me from when i was 17 years old sometimes online bc it makes people nicer to me. not even to "lie" on a dating thing or anything it just genuinely makes em less rude it's wack
Fatphobic people will say the issue they have with fat people is that "they're unhealthy", but you rarely see people complaining about skinny people who promote unhealthy lifestyles (binge drinking, unhealthy eating, dieting scams, not drinking enough water, not sleeping enough, etc)
I AGREE WITH THIS SO HARD LIKE BEING ABSOLUTE SKIN AND BONES AND BARELY EATING FOR DAYS IS NOT HEALTHY! BUT NOOO ITS ALWAYS THAT WE NEED TO LOSE WEIGHT AND DEVELOP A FUCKING EATING DISORDER I hope this makes sense. I feel really strong about this topic.
@@SeaBreeze-w9999 no, but that's obviously not the point I'm making here. If they were saying "fat people are bad bc they demand change" then I wouldn't have made this comment. But they claim "Im only saying this about fat people bc I care about them and want them to healthy". They're feigning being genuinely empathetic and acting high and mighty when really they just want to be assholes. And if they're gunna be assholes they should just own up to it.
These women are so awful, honestly. As a thin person myself, I’ve definitely noticed that society has conditioned many, many people-myself included-into seeing fat people in a worse light inherently, or hearing ‘fat’ as a dirty word/insult rather than a neutral descriptor. As I see it, the societal programming is similar to how many people grow up with internalized homophobia, racism or transphobia-sure, fatness can be controlled to a degree by the individual, but there’s nothing inherently wrong or abnormal with weighing more or less than another person, just like there’s nothing wrong with someone loving the same gender. We’re just conditioned to see it as ‘abnormal’ and in a negative light. As a thin person, after noticing this bias in myself I’ve been working to unpack and get rid of it so I can be a nicer, more accepting person in the long run, and I’m sure that there are many, many more people who need to do the same. After all, most thin people are born into families that are also composed of mostly thin people, which only perpetuates the problem. Anyways, unlearn your biases as best you can because it’s a lifelong thing and society conditions you to be mean and catty like the two abhorrent women in this video, so just try and be nice to people
I'm really glad that medications effect weight was mentioned too. When I got on antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds, I gained weight. And people have suggested to me to get off of them to go back down to my original weight. Being thinner is no way Anywhere Near as important as being better mentally now. I'm much happier now but people think I'm less healthy because I'm heavier. Shocking for them to learn that I am miles healthier now than ever before.
I'm happy you're happy but I also can't stop snickering at the fact that people really said "I'd like you better if you were skinny and depressed 😌💅🏽" 😭😭😭 Like people literally don't think about the shit they say. It's so embarrassing.
I’m glad that helped you, but I was on 4 antipsychotics in college and blew up to over 200 lbs (I know that’s majorly obese and really not the “Borderline” that body positively aims to) now I can’t make real friends, and I cause pain whenever people look at me because I’m big. It has made me into a worthless person and I would happily shrivel away just to stop hurting everyone with my face
I literally didn't want to take antidepressants because I was scared of the weight gain as I already have body issues as is, and the body neutrality movement helped me so much with it and it made me realise that it wasn't a big deal, or even a significant trade off, to have mental health over anything else These things make a difference, maybe a live saving one
I used to believe what they said about "fat people being lazy," and how, "you'll be skinny if you work hard enough." That thinking sent me down a path of disordered eating and exercise. It got to a point where I would barely eat anything in a day, and I would praise myself for having hunger pains because that meant I was losing more weight. I'm still recovering, but I'm doing better then before. Just know that you're weight doesn't matter in the end. What matters is that you're you're happy and healthy and you can be those and at any size
I had a similar experience when I started college. 😕 I was dealing with a mental health crisis, and that 'freshman fifteen" sent me over the edge. The restriction and working myself to exhaustion made me feel in control, despite being the farthest thing from. 😮💨 I'm so glad I got out of that cycle. I have way more energy; physically, mentally, and emotionally.
@Daniel Pejic As long as you aren't doing so unhealthy, sure. Some people have tied exercise to self-harm and punishment, which needs extra care. This is a very complicated thing.
@Daniel Pejic I understand what you're trying to say here. I agree with you, exercise is very good for both your physical and mental health(I for one love cycling). What matters is that you do so in moderation which is what I wasn't doing. Extreme dieting and exercise is very dangerous and can lead to injury and even death in some rare cases. So it's important to be careful and to understand/learn your limits in whatever you're doing in order to stay safe and improve yourself in a healthy way :)
Somehow at 15 I continue to find adults that cannot find the decency to be a nice human being, and it blows my mind that I can show more empathy and compassion for the other humans around me that people who have had 10+ more years than me to figure it out.
you truly encapsulated the energy of this alex person when you said “mean girl energy”. she reminds me exactly of the girls i was friends with in highschool, petty and insecure and “brutally honest” but really just enjoys being mean to people
i’ve always been overweight but when i was maybe 16 i started eating healthy and exercising an hour a day but it quickly became barely eating and exercising 3 hours, so i dropped like 3 stone in less than 6 months and i got so much praise for it. You could really see bones at one point and even my mum who knew about my problem to some extent was extremely complimentary. it’s never about health in the slightest, only looks
@@springwater6693 I'm sorry you are dealing with that it's definitely hard especially when people compliment it I always say being healthy should never start with losing weight
it's actually been proven that being overweight can help people live longer because skinny people have less weight to lose when they get sick, and it makes recovery harder i'm not shaming thin people OF COURSE, just that they conveniently ignore studies like that because it shows them they're wrong
@@ThePunkina1 i’m really lucky to have gotten out of that phase and not gone back, but it is interesting to have that perspective and know firsthand how little anyone cares about health as long as you get smaller
I think health should be removed from talking about fat liberation. Wether or not people are healthy shouldn’t affect how they’re treated and their ability to access things (either because of weight or disability) but to claim that every person is healthy is grossly incorrect (ie haes [I know many don’t view haes to mean every single person is healthy but some fat positive people do think this]).
i am currently in recovery for a horrible ed. at the height of my sickness when i weighed the least and felt the worst i had friends, family members and even strangers telling me how good i looked. that “praise” reinforced my ed and encouraged me to keep doing what i was doing
I'd like to add for the beginning that the body neutrality movement can also be a struggle for disabled people because ours bodies DONT work how they should. A lot of that stuff is just what helps you most until you start getting involved in the movement. My body neutrality focuses a lot on my disabilities and my acceptance of them. No my body doesn't work quite right but that doesn't mean anything about me. I don't need to be healthy to deserve life and stuff like that. Just a general "meh" to if I look and work differently then able people do
@ Salty Dino Nuggies I’m actually working on this right now. It’s been hard coming to terms with the fact that I’ve had to give up on so many opportunities and dreams because I’m disabled. It’s hard but I’m getting there. I’m proud of myself for making it as far as I have and doing all I’ve done but I’m still sad about all the things I’ll never be able to do.
"Cruelty" Bro...These two women just pointed out how destructive the Lifestyle of fat people is. I wonder how you'd react if someone was actually mean to you. I bet you would just implode and have a mental breakdown or something.
I'm fat and have a ton of stories, but the one that takes the cake is when I had a gastrointestinal infection and couldn't even keep down water, I lost 20lbs in 10 days and when I commented that, the nurse said "oh that's good". My mother also told me "well since you've lost 20lbs, you should try to keep it off." Like, that much weight loss that fast is dangerous and was mostly from severe dehydration. But yeah, at least my doctor and my sister were like "uh that's really bad" but they were the only ones
Listen. It's not unhealthy if you die of nutrient deficiency or dehydration while you're overweight. You should have lost even more weight. Maybe sell some kidneys and a chunk of your liver next time. That's a couple pounds less and that means you're a couple pounds healthier, regardless of how you did it.
I keep getting recommended Amala’s videos as if I’m in the demographic when I am not . It’s really annoying because a lot of the comments treat her as “one of the good ones” (if ykyk) and really undermines the already struggling bubble of fat people, lgbtq+ , women, disabled, and other bipoc. That’s not to say bipoc can’t have other opinions but treating as if what Amala says is what bipoc “really need” is really hurtful and seems like a part of misogynoir.
I have a condition called endometriosis. It took me 7 years to be diagnosed because I was always ignored based on race, age, past life history, weight. At 25 I got my surgery, and every since I have gained weight due to the medications I’ve been on it to treat this debilitating pain. I am also an athlete, I work out, do boxing, and roller derby. Yet I am a size 18 and weigh 180+ pounds. I am more confident now and stronger, I can easily lift up 80-90 pound objects with ease. Yet society claims in lazy 😂 Honestly gtfo lololol
When I was at my skinniest, I couldn't walk a mile without becoming exhausted. I put weight on, and I was able to go 5+ miles. Right now isn't so good; I was bed-ridden for a year with a severe injury. I finally got my leg amputated and have a prosthesis, but my core muscles have atrophied and I don't have the endurance. I was (and still am) majorly depressed; for my injury and forced immobility and because my mom passed unexpectedly during that time. I'm an only child with no other family, she was in the room right next to mine. Nothing was in order (house, finances, etc) and I didn't know what I was doing; I've always found asking for help impossible, because I've been conditioned to expect rejection. I'm not looking for pity, but these are reasons I'm at my heaviest now. But I'll end on a joke. After my amputation surgery, I went to intense inpatient rehab. When I was weighed upon arrival, I was like, "Sweet! I've lost twelve pounds!" Yeah, dumbass... your leg got cut off! 🙄😆🤦🏼♀️
Only two things should matter; if you're healthy, and if you're happy. I'm honestly tired of my mom thinking she's ugly just because she'd be considered overweight.
2 things I wanted to mention. One, I've always struggled with being overweight since I was young and was generally bullied for it but when I lost a lot of it, I noticed right away people are nicer to you. The bias definitely exists. Two, as you mentioned, you don't know what somebody is going through but another thing I've always thought is why? Why do you (people who do mistreat fat people) feel the need to mistreat fat people and try to make them feel bad? I think these sorts of people just lack basic decency
12:25 TW: Suicide Ideation Yes, I’ve thought of unaliving myself because I never matched up to expectations because I didn’t have sharp features, a ‘masculine’ body and a flat stomach. EVERYONE is not invited to the conversation, as was mentioned.
This is so wrecking sad. Glad you've come a long way since then and wish you happiness and self-acceptance!! I'm sure you're a strong caring and thoughtful man, and that's all that matters, really. The way you look says NOTHING about you. Your inner self is much more magnetic for people!
@@1937stateprk this is literally like saying that a sickness is healthy because it’s genetic. It’s still unhealthy, it’s just not necessarily your fault
@@Bynasf but being overweight isnt a sickness? its just extra body fat? i get that being fat can obviously have its downsides but not every fat person faces those downsides n it doesnt hinder them so how is being a bit bigger always unhealthy
@@1937stateprk obviously bigger doesn’t mean more unhealthy for everyone, being painfully skinny isn’t healthy either. However, beyond a certain point, more fat is essentially worse. As a bigger person you’ll have higher cholesterol and narrower arteries no matter the reason
When Alex called that woman & those who are fat lazy it pissed me off. As someone who is trying to lose a little bit of weight for my personal health it wasn't laziness that caused me to be fat. I have a number of genetics & medical issues that make it harder for me to lose weight. U don't have access to someone else's medical information therefore u can't just say that someone who is fat is that way because of laziness nor can u say they are unhealthy due to their weight as everyone regardless of weight can be either healthy or have medical issues. And shaming someone just because they exist is never okay
Women like the ones AnnaMarie is responding to just make me feel this anxious feeling in my stomach. I have struggled with body image issues for years and these women are just making things worse for everyone. AnnaMarie, thank you for calling these women out.
Body image also bleeds into an ableist spectrum too. I'm someone with one hand from birth and I realized the other day I've seen no one with my body on TV or film. I'm not an ideal body so it's like I don't exist and ppl are genuinely surprised I'm real and I'm can do anything anyone else can.
“if transgenderism is real there’s no such thing as homosexuality” WHERE DID THAT COME FROM HOW DID HE GET THERE 😭😭 I HAD TO PAUSE AND THINK ABOUT IT BC I JUST DONT SEE THE CONNECTION IM SO LOST
30:05 I agree. Some people think telling the "harsh truth" is just tough love. But it disregards a person's humanity and demonstrates that you do not have the emotional capacity to the person.
yeah, but if you're quiet and don't tell them the truth then you're a coward and you're contributing to their self-destructive behavior. a truly good friend will tell you that you're doing something wrong.
@@devinmcgroot7560 or, and here comes a truly inconceivable notion: don’t comment on someone’s body at all. “positively” or negatively, or even neutrally. their body has nothing to do with you. did you even watch the video? she clearly pointed out that there is SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that body shaming can quite literally have a physiological effect on a person’s body.
@@zoeg4213 being overweight has a physiological effect on the person's body. it gives heart problems, and shortens a person's lifespan. NOT commenting on it is a disservice to that person, if you care about their well being.
I'm 21 and 180lbs right now. My largest was 250 and that was last year. I've done so much and worked harder than anyone and yet I'm still the fat girl. I hate it when people feel superior just for an accident of genetics. People are so vain now. I don't want to feel beautiful or like a goddess because I'm not the damn chosen one. I just want to be neutral and comfortable in my body/progress without being called a whale or miss piggy 🙁
@@notNajimi This is something I loathe a lot of the time. I can see why people would look at a fat person and not think that they're in the process of changing. Some of us just have to start from a heavier weight. It sucks that someone's efforts to change are trumped by the fact that they are still in that process (not having hit their overall goal weight or still being overweight)
When I lost my dad when I was 12, I used food as a comfort. It filled the hole that I was feeling. It was horrible. I’ve worked hard to get all the weight I put on, and I feel great now. I still remember the first holiday season after my father death and his family seeing me and seeing the weight I had put on. They made comments. Somehow my weight was more important to them then the fact I had just lost my DAD. That Christmas, my paternal grandparents (I don’t speak to them anymore) bought me all clothes, all two sizes too small. I was 13. My mom looked like she was about to tear them apart. I don’t know how she held her tongue. She’s a saint.
Speaking as a healthcare worker, The ONLY criticism I have of body positivity is lying about science, which most people in the body positivity movement don't participate in. If you're 600lbs, you're (usually) at risk and i don't believe in lying about that. But that's your healthcare workers problem, not random people. If a person isn't your patient, SHUT UP! And if you ARE a healthcare worker and the person in question IS your patient, you must remember that the problem isn't even the weight, its the secondary conditions that put the person at risk. If they don't have secondary conditions and they have normal blood pressure, normal heart health, normal everything, don't address their eating habits, activity levels etc. And if they are at risk, the goal is to help their heart, or whatever it is, NOT TO GET THEM TO LOSE WEIGHT! Weight loss may or may not happen when they improve their health, but its irrelevant. As long as your patient is healthy, their weight doesn't matter. Most importantly, if their condition has NOTHING TO DO WITH WEIGHT, don't talk about their weight! Why shouldn't people feel beautiful? Why shouldn't people have access to equal healthcare? Why shouldn't overweight people be treated with respect and kindness instead of mocked? IF their health is at risk because of weight (BIG IF, because thats almost never the route of the problem) SHAMING IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO! I've seen patients turn away from healthcare time and time again because they are ashamed of something. It doesn't matter if it's a skin condition, a lack of rehab/homecare for an injury or anything else, self love is the answer, self love is what gets them in front of a doctor. Shame has no place in helping anyone with anything, especially not when it comes from random people who don't know what they're talking about.
So how should a healthcare professional talk about crippling back pain or diabetes without mentioning the weight? This is where these movements look silly and childish. I'm not suggesting anyone mock them in a medical setting, but to offer treatment without discussing the cause is poor practice, whether it's an allergy or a virus or carrying extra weight. Be happy, feel beautiful and when you see a doctor, expect a matter of fact, honest discussion about the causes of your symptoms and how best to reduce them.
I disagree with you here. Firstly, I believe fat people, of course, deserve respect and shouldn't be shamed in any circumstances especially in a doctor's office. However when you have a patient in your office for what ever reason and the patient is obese it is your absolute obligation to inquire about their activity levels/eating habits/weight gain/loss history etc. Why? Beacuse obesity is basically in itself a disease. If a person doesn't currently exhibit any, as you would say, secondary issues, the risk of them developing said issues in the future is higher than a person with healthy weight, especially if they stay obese or gain even more weight. E.g. you have a patient coming in for chest pain (or whatever) and you notice a suspicious looking mole on their skin, you wouldn't just not say anything about it/examine it just because that's not the reason why the patient came in. The same is with obesity. You can say what you will and I am all for accepting yourself as you are and loving yourself and being confident in your body but people can not simply deny basic science and medicine and cherry pick certain medical findings just to fit their narrative. Basically facts don't care about your feelings.
@@TheKim369 that's exactly what I'm saying. Type 2 diabetes is a secondary condition to eating habits and poor exercise habits, as is osteoarthritis of the knee or back pain due to the center of balance being changed from excess belly fat. So you address the poor eating habits and exercise habits and design a better routine/diet that addresses that and weight will most likely decrease with that. You can be totally forward about it too and you don't need to dance around the issue.
@@laryda I think we are on the exact same page. I can't stand the "health at every size" argument because it's not true. You can be 50lbs overweight and have ZERO health issues related to that. Zero high blood pressure, zero body pains, perfectly healthy, and I think that's the time that a healthcare worker needs to let that be, but if the patient is over 200-250 lbs, there's definitely going to be a secondary health condition that is caused by the poor eating habits and poor exercise habits, whether it's high blood pressure, heart issues, mobility limitations, osteoarthritis, back pain etc. When designing a healthcare plan for the patient in that case, the goal is to get rid of/treat the high blood pressure, back pain, type 2 diabetes, whatever and the treatment for that is definitely going to involve exercise and better eating habits. A natural consequence of that will be weight loss. For most patients, you can use a scale/weight loss program to hold your patient accountable for weight loss, but it's actually better in most situations to hold the patient accountable for the specific health issue that they have come in for like using the blood pressure cuff/insulin monitoring or measuring a reduction in anterior pelvic tilt (that's basically the cause of belly-fat induced back pain.) The result is the same, the patient will lose weight, but giving more emotionally sensitive patients accountability goals based on something other than weight can be more motivating.
@@lisapeesalemonsqueezah3241 Yes, I agree. Health at every size is a complete absurdity and blatant denial of crystal clear medical facts. What is more, it is utterly weighing down the fat accaptance movement and just making it less valuable and genuine. Were it not for that, I believe it would be much less ridiculed than it currently is.
I don't like the BMI thing either. I'm 5'2" and almost 180lbs. Medically I'm considered obese, but you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me. I look a little overweight, sure. But certainly not obese. Even at this weight, I've experienced fatphobia by a former doctor. I changed doctors because of it. Now that I'm pregnant, I'm worried how much I'll gain and scared I'll be shamed because of it.
i hope you've had a healthy pregnancy experience and sorry if i'm replying late and you didn't but yeah BMI is bullhonky and you sound like you're a size that would be ridiculous to criticize. if you gained, your body and baby needed it. i hope you have a good doctor now
Friendly reminder that the M in BMI just means mass. Not fat specifically. Being obese means you are out of the body class norm doctors (though BMI was created by a mathmatician for literally just calculating how much human is on a human) arbitrarily setup going by average numbers of a small sample size group. It's barely health science at this point, it's just math.
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7:08 not all fat people are lazy but I do think that a lot of fat person in general would have less energy compared to a person who isn’t so in some ways I understand the stereotype
That "byeee" at the end of the video was pretty melodic. Get a singing subchannel up on here!
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You look fantastic! You’re like a drop of sane in this ocean of insanity.
It’s “truth” when it’s something they agree with and “cancelling” when you mildly criticize them.
Facts bestie
Literallyyyy, the hypocrisy shows
YUP
The "truth" is that they are extremely hateful women who don't deserve a platform. Life not being fair should apply to natural disasters not behavior other people can absolutely change.
Fuck Twitter 😂 I'm openly fatphobic I'm afraid of myself and other tubs of lard
So I've been told I'm "mid-size" (Read: too fat for skinny people, yet too skinny for other fat peopl) but I still get treated poorly because of my weight. The biggest one is that I've had undiagnosed joint pain for YEARS now and I've been trying actively for a while to get a doctor to do literally anything. At this point I'm trying to get a family doctor, because I've had walk in doctors/nurse practitioners do everything from telling me to just "eat healthy and work out" to telling me I'm "just too chubby" and trying to prescribe me a DIARETIC.
It's so disheartening, I'd just like to be taken seriously
I've heard that the best option is asking your doctor to write and sign that they refused to test you for whatever you went in for. The fear of legal recourse usually makes them backpedal
What the fuck. What reason apart from just fat phobia would they have not to test
I'd probably be considered "mid-size" too and I also have undiagnosed joint and muscle pain (to the severity that I sometimes use a cane). I'm lucky enough to have a PCP that listens to me even if she doesn't know what's going on, but I've gone through a lot of doctors and nurses that said to just eat healthy and work out or attributed my health to my weight. The thing is, I lost a lot of weight and I still have these issues. I think doctors and nurses need to be better equipped to work with plus size people. If thin people can have the same issue, surely that means that this pain exists regardless of weight and it should be looked at through that lens.
I hope you get the treatment you need and deserve and that your pain is taken seriously.
Yes!! I’m the same size, and always get comments on how “you used to be so skinny!” And “I see you put some weight on!” Usually they mean well, but it doesn’t sound great. Sorry about your joint pain though, that sounds awful to deal with.
I used to be clinically obese, because that's what my doctor referred to me as but I was on the lower side of it. (5'2 at 184) But two years ago I dropped down to 144 and I've been bouncing around 146-150 since. I'm classified as mid-size too, but I still get told I need to drop a few. I'm at the point where I'm like I feel pretty healthy maybe your outdated BMI scale can go to hell.
I've been mid-size my whole life and had a lot of health problems growing up, specifically within my joints causing mobility issues. Long story short it took me not being able to walk during college for a week for doctors to take me seriously, because they thought I just "wasn't working out enough". It was found out that my brain was growing in my spine from birth and my health was ignored soley because I had a slightly heavier body type than "average". I could've been paralyzed. I hate American healthcare.
Thank you Anna for posting this, it made me feel seen as a chubby disabled person
Oh my god????? Wow. I am so sorry for what you had to go through, though that is a powerful story,. By you simply existing and speaking, you are actively changing this blinded world. Sending love. 💝
I was in constant pain for months and it only got worse... doctors kept telling me to lose weight... I have fibromyalgia, hyper-mobility syndrome, congenital sacralization, and I still have to get tested for POTS... my weight fluctuates so much it is not connected... I am disabled and these assh*les wanna focus on my weight... I'm not even that big.. I really get you as much as possible
Oh my god, first of all, hope all is well. Secondly, thank you for talking about "mid size",aka chubby issues. I'm naturally a more stout build, even when I had a flat tummy, and gave always struggled with life in America. Clothes, healthcare, and general social existence. You're in that spot where you don't belong anywhere and nothing fits or suits you and if you do get attention from society it's negative still because you're overweight even if you're not "really fat". I've given up going to the doctor anymore because I get so glossed over with a "lose a little weight and you'll be good." As if my life long chronic illnesses, even before being overweight, have everything to do with my weight and not my ignored concerns about what's wrong with my immune system. I hate it here
ive also been told my pain was beause i was overweight & ignored by american healthcare. actually was a genetic disorder.
This is so disgusting.
Like 5 or 6 years ago, I contracted an infection that went undiagnosed for almost 10 months and I almost died from it. During this time, I lost 60 lbs and was sooooo skinny but in a sickly my cheeks and eyes are sunken in type of way. I can't count on my hands how many people kept telling me that I looked really good, despite me losing hair, having huge reddish purple blotches all over my body, physically shaking, and having very pale yellow skin. I looked good to them, as I was f*cking dying, because I wasn't fat.
So when I recovered from it, I got a job cleaning houses, busting my ass 6-8 hours per day, plus ling weekend hikes, and daily 3-5 mile walks after work AND eating very clean. I STILL gained all of the weight back. I discovered that because of the shock and trauma that my body went through with endocarditis, I had developed hypothyroidism. And then I started hearing whispers throughout my extended family about how I've put on weight. It was like, no matter what I did, I still gained weight. I wasn't lazy and I was more active than I ever was when I was like 115 lbs. My body just didn't care. I had struggled with an ED for about 10 years by that time and just recently sought treatment for it because I was completely ruining my body.
I just really hate how these people think that they know your situation based solely on how you look. I have been doing a lot of exercise to stay healthy since I have a few heart conditions and I want to live a healthy (for me) life, but due to those conditions, I tire out easily and the hypothyroidism makes it seemingly more difficult to lose weight, despite taking medication. And I really hate that I feel like I have to validate why I look the way that I do and feel hat I ned to prove to these yahoos that I am doing what I can.
Wow, sorry u had to go through that. Just know that no one, including u have to validate ur existence, all humans r ppl with their own stories, not just their looks
God I just hate doctors who just don’t do they’re job, like “you weigh 150 lbs there’s no way anything’s wrong with you! Look how skinny you are!” Or “you weigh 250? You just need to lose weight and you’ll be fine” like do your damn job and care about ppl ffs
A coworker of mine commented that I looked good cause I had lost weight. I basically told her, I starve myself, I have an eating disorder, it's not good for me to lose weight. She was just like ?
I've told people they look good even when they don't, because it feels rude to say otherwise. When I feel like hell, having someone say I LOOK that way makes it even worse.
Can't speak for everyone that you encountered, but I guarantee some of those people were of the same mindset.
I'm sorry you dealt with this 😢
I mean, like, no shit. There's so many overweight people in the world that we hold relatively fit people sacred.
I really appreciate you bringing men into this conversation as a man who has dealt with anorexia before. we aren't really included in the conversation often (I have since recovered)
hope this won't sound weird but i'm proud of you!
@@migoreng7789 not weird at all, thank you so much! I appreciate it
Glad to hear you recovered, I definitely agree that men don’t seem to be brought into enough conversations regarding weight and there’s definitely ‘body standards’ placed on men too. Once again, glad you’re doing better and I hope that’s how it stays :)
Glad to hear you’ve recovered!
Keep going my dude you’re doing great
it's so important to have as many different communities represented when it comes to discussions about mental health. the more we talk about these things together, the more resources we can provide to people who need them. and it's wonderful to hear you've recovered, that process can take a long time. hope you're doing well.
the tension between wanting to stop focusing on people's looks and wanting to compliment Anna's amazing new hairdo 💥
HI QUEENNNNN
omg I love your videos!!
SO I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED-
YES LMAOOO
ily!!!
The fact that Alex had such a hard time saying "I have gay freinds"
Her subconscious was trying to stop her from lying.
I don’t think she has gay friends guys…
@firstnamelastname7708 no, she was gagging internally at the thought of even having the possibility of having them
What gay person would want to be friends with her?
The pure thought of being around a gay person just made her violently sick
I love how these girls are like “you can’t expect the world to cater to you” yet expect every single person to cater to their standards of what being an acceptable person is
Being obese is not about someones standards, its unnatural and very unhealthy for humans to be obese. If you cant go on a freaking airplane or sit on a campingchair because of how fat(!) you are, that is not a problem with society, that is 100% a personal problem that should be very telling
@Shadow_Cherri-dk9sr Of course. However, afferming the delusion that you can ble healthy and obese at the same time does not help. True body positivity is about living yourself enough to lose weight.
@@buffytvs2017 You quite literally are capable of being overweight and healthy though.
@@Faireepowder You’re quite literary not though. Having more adipose tissue than what is normal for your hight, especially If it is visceral fat is unhealthy. Fat is not just there in the body, it effects your hormones and such. Meaning that if you are overweight (and we’re not talking about 10 kilos or something) it is by defenition unhealthy.
@@buffytvs2017a lot of fat people aren't fat by their accord. Steroids, hormonal medications, and etc will effect weight gain and loss, making it harder to lose weight while gaining weight. I have an autoimmune disease, lupus, and steroids for the treatment will cause me to gain weight. It's either gaining weight or having my body's cells attack my important organs.
HRH(Alex) is the literal LAST PERSON in the world I would take advice from. Half of her content is smoking, disordered eating habits, and just being overall mad about everything. So I don’t care what she thinks about weight, health, or even happiness. Like why is anyone trying to have a real conversation including her? She’s outright cruel.
You don’t get it
@@gracieray3081 🤓
@@gracieray3081 yes we don't get how rotted her brain is. even though she is trying to look like sarcastic while getting attention with screaming she just looks dumb and crazy.
@@gracieray3081 then explain it
“Outright cruel” is perfectly on brand for American conservatives
it honestly surprises me how many "nice" people are fatphobic. I recently unfollowed this one buff influencer because she made a tiktok making fun of a fat girl by flexing with a caption saying "body positivity is for bodies who deserve it." She had been inspiring me to work out again and it was really disappointing to see.
wait which influencer was this? :0
@@randomperson1934I would like to know too to avoid her content!
was that michelle ?
I'm just seeing the other responses to this, but I'm sorry to say I forgot who she was. She had deleted the post a day later bc of backlash and doubled down saying that she wasnt trying to make fun of the girl when she clearly was since the original deleted vid was a duet to this one plus sized creator that said something like "even tummies deserve love"
@@artmoryoo oh, well thank you anyways!!:)
i have a digestive disorder. when i was at my skinniest, i was also so sick i couldn’t keep any food in my body. i wasn’t absorbing any calories from the food i ate and absolutely miserable from pain and depression, but all my family members talked about was how “good” i looked and how i’d really slimmed down. at my current weight i’m the heaviest i’ve ever been AND the happiest. the fact that no one outside my household voiced concern for my health when i was at my skinniest simply because id been fat before that was extremely alienating and scary. i was dying, but all they could think about was how much better they thought i looked.
I’m glad you’re doing better now
I am so happy that you are doing better!
Absolutely. I was experiencing a mental health spiral and became the weight I was in elementary school and all of my family kept admiring how thin I got. Now I'm on meds so I gained a fair bit of weight and no one's mentioned my appearance in years. That's the problem with commenting on anyone's body type, positive OR negative.
I’m sorry that your family didn’t care about you, and I’m glad you are doing better now! Have a good day!
This isnt about skinny people,stop seeking attention with your problems nobody cares.
fatphobes say they care about strangers' health when they're fat but i've never seen someone tell a stranger who smokes cigarettes that they're worried about their health
fr like if u care so much about fat ppl, buy them healthy food, pay for their gym membership, get them a personal trainer😮
True
Really? When I smoked I got comments about it all the time. It was one of the factors that pushed me to give up.
Yh. Yh you're right
LMAOOO ALEX SMOKING A CIG AT THE BEGINNING TOO!!!
It's disturbing how much another person can make another person so angry. Like I'm gay or I'm fat so what?! You don't pay my bills and I don't pay yours so why do you care?!!
No one can mind their own business and think others are here for entertainment basically they are lonely nobodies
As a fat girl and a gay, i totally understand. Nothing about my existence should be seen as political nor should it be a topic of discussion. Just let me live bro
Becaus u say that being fat is not going to impact your health
Technically, they do pay your bills. America is a shared health care cost society. And obesity is a huge strain on the medical system.
@@sofypi7493 they didn't say it and still, why do you care
As someone who lost 160 lbs, the way other people treat you as a fat person is ten times worse. You don't realize it if you've only lived on either side of it. Suddenly having people smile at you after decades without it really drives the point home.
How hard is it just to give everybody kindness and human respect?
My question exactly. I mean, women treat me very nicely. But men truly do dehumanize me for being fat. Calling me ugly and mocking me. Some guys literally compared me to Venus statue. Which is a "compliment" because Venus is awesome. And i bet with my mom how people will treat me differently when i lose weight.
Now you know peoples true colors. Wish you the best. Focus on yourself.
@@gettingcalledoutontwitteri1882 that's because some people are bad. nice and friendly people do not mock or call people ugly because they're aware that it hurts their feelings, and they are empathetic. that being said, being fat is unattractive and people do treat unattractive people differently because attractiveness changes how people treat people
@@devinmcgroot7560 being fat doesn’t necessarily mean ugly, people find thic women to be attractive while others find skinny women to be prettier
@@stormysideup2185 it's rare that people find fat people attractive. evolutionarily, human beings find youthful and healthy appearance attractive. a certain level of chubbyness is attractive (thic lol), as it implies good health. but fat is just unattractive so lets stop pretending
I lost about the same. Someone in a restaurant came up to me one time and said I’m “soooo pretty”. I’ve never in my life gotten a compliment from a stranger like that. Living on both sides opens your eyes. And if this girl in the video has like she said, she should know this.
Quote of the Day: “…it’s not that hard to be a decent person. I mean, maybe it is for some of you but not for most of us.”
These girls would absolutely be shaming and bullying any fat person who goes to the gym.
trueee
No they weren’t
@@Cupcake_Royale yes
@@mia.wia.poo123No they wouldn’t. Pls stop.
@@Cupcake_Royale yes they would bro
Even if a person “makes the choice” to be fat, they don’t deserve to be discriminated against and treated poorly.
facts
True but they don't get to whine when their Doctors tell them to lose weight, when they don't get clothes that fit, when others don't want to date them...
@@pablosilva6932 but but but that's fatphobiccc😤😤
@@pablosilva6932 Ackshually. A lot of doctors are fatphobic themselves and provide care based on their biases. Thin people also get heart disease and diabetes. Doctors are just people and subject to the same failings
@@manderly33 Did you know that non-smokers can also get lung cancer. Yeah no shit thin people can also be unhealthy. These doctors have these "biases" because they see a lot of unhealthy fat people and because being fat is unhealthy. Misdiagnoses happen regardless of fat, because drs assume that the problem at hand, is the one that it's most likely to be. If you're Tess Holliday size and complain about knee pain, it is most likely that it is caused by your weight. God I can't believe I fucking have to explain this.
My grandmother was dismissed by multiple doctors when trying to figure out why her breathing was getting worse by then just telling her to lose weight. She had lung cancer. If she hadn't kept advocating for herself and seeking other opinions she may not be here today because they assumed it was her weight without even doing the necessary examinations and tests.
relatable. my aunt had pancreatic cancer that was misdiagnosed by doctors as diabetes until it was stage 3 late, maybe stage 4. i'm not saying this so you feel bad that your grandmother survived and got a correct analysis - i just despise that so many people are treated like this when it's straight up stuff like CANCER. hope your grandma is well now or at least well-treated. my aunt is kicking oblivious-due-to-fat doctor's asses from heaven i'm sure
Her argument that she “used to be fat” but lost 40 pounds is SO. IRRELEVANT. I *did* used to be fat. I weighed 330 lbs. I now weigh 175. I *know* what it feels like to have all eyes on you, being afraid to eat in public, hell even *walking* was traumatic for me. I wasn’t fat because i was lazy or unhealthy, and i sure as hell wasn’t ugly. I have so much sympathy for these people they are talking about, and honestly i just feel so sorry for them that they have this mindset that fat = ugly, unhealthy, lazy. I will continue to fight for rights for fat people, especially medical rights, as i know how it feels and i never EVER want to make anyone else feel that way. Just care about people, man.
if youre 300 pounds, you’re 99% of the time, unhealthy
for real man. When I first went to college, I lost a lot of weight. I was down like 80 lbs and when I went to my doctor they said "oh you lost some weight, you need to lose more." like cool thanks for the motivation.... It's so subtle but it still hurts.
Was your inability to walk caused by the weight or a medical issue? Either way that's terrible and I'm so sorry you went through that. Glad you're doing better.
To be fair, we shouldn't judge how much weight someone lost beforehand to call themselves "fat", you know? This girls in the video are complete assholes, I'm not defending them. I'm just saying some people do feel that same level of fear and shame if they're just 10 pounds overweight. My highest weight was 210 lbs, I'm down to 185 lbs so far in a year. I'm not skinny, but I am fat still, and I am still nervous eating/going out in public or wearing most clothes.
Americans trying not to make excuses for having 40% obesity rate (impossible)
2 times i experineced medical fatphobia :
I had extreme bone pain . I went to so many doctors . All focused on my weight while i was on the verge of becoming paralysed because of how horrible that pain was .
It wasnt until i went to a dermatologist that he gave me blood work after i told him about the bone pain .
Turns out i had an extreme vitamin d deficiency , which pushed my body to break down my bones for calcuim .
That pain that felt like knives scraping my bones from the inside was my bones disintegrating . And all doctors focused on was ur fat ur fat ur fat . Even after i lost some weight they didnt take me seriously .
Thank god i was able to go see that dermatologist , bcz i had already started to feel my spine on the verge of snapping , and i could barelt walk by that time .
He gave me the medicine i needed , no pain meds . The pain completely stopped within a week . And i was able to walk normally and exercise like i used to . (I was in a pro swimming team so i was very active but i was still fat cz i had an eating disorder)
However , i still have weak bones , my teeth are fragile , and my joins arent fully recovered yet so i still have some joint pain .
They let me suffer for more than a year because they couldnt order me a simple blood work since they were so busy talking about how fat i was.
The second time something like this happened to me is during PE in school .
I never skipped a day of PE even when i was fat . But during my 2nd year of middle school i started developping heart palpitations and difficulty breathing . It got so bad that i would pass out every time we did PE .
Doctors also kept telling me ur just fat , lose weight lose weight . For the whole year and it only kept getting worse .
On the 3rd year of middle school , i blacked out again , and the PE teacher was furious at how my mother didnt want to pull me out of PE altho i was passing out every PE class .
She told him she didnt believe i was passing out and thought i was lying because i was "lazy and didnt want to work out" .
The teacher called an ambulance as i was passed out , they took me to the ER . Turns out i had asthma . This whole time i had asthma and so many allergies that affected my breathing . And i also had inherited a heart condition from my grandma .
But apparently i am a lazy fat lier .
That's very unfortunate my heart goes out to you 🖤
Yet people like to act like fat phobia has nothing to do with fat people dying at an earlier rate.
I completely understand. I've had dizzy spells since I was 18. I'm now 39. Doctors have ignored them for decades because I'm fat. my current dr (who actually listens) is sending me to cardiology because I might have POTS. 21 years undiagnosed just because of my weight that has been a struggle due to PCOS. My current dr also got me a spinal MRI that I've needed since I was in a car accident at 20 to discover the undiagnosed spinal injuries that have slowly taken away my mobility over the last almost 20 years. I'm finally seeing specialists for it, but it's too late to do much more than manage my chronic pain and try to keep my mobility from disintegrating further. I used to walk 2 miles a day (even as fat as I was) now I can barely walk a block without my cane or walker. Medical fatphobia has literally destroyed my body and rendered me disabled.
I really feel you asthma story. NOBODY believed me, for many of my teenage years. I was worried and confused about how I struggled breathing during PE, but to my family and teachers it made perfect sense: fat young girl isn't fit because she's fat. It was only when I was 19 that I went to a specialist (Don't know the english title) who made an allergy and breathing test that showed I had allergic asthma....
u sorta are
The part that always irks me about this is when people say that being fat is a choice you make and that you're just lazy. I'm a bit overweight myself and have several health and mental health issues that cause that to fluctuate pretty drastically. But my biggest example of why that is so untrue is my mother.
My mom is a certified fitness instructor who works out 6 days a week, works 3 jobs (only one of which involves sitting at a desk, the other two are very active, one being the fitness instructor job), and has one of the healthiest diets I've ever seen! The woman has bought specific bowls just for her salads because she eats them so much! And guess what? She's considered obese. If you looked at her, you would absolutely know that she is overweight. And she has dealt with issues like the woman on the plane and other places that are not fat people friendly. She is one of the healthiest people I know, but she is overweight. She has struggled with her weight her whole life and ended up having her thyroid removed because of cancer. But you wouldn't know that by looking at her! These bitches would look at her and call her lazy and that irks me to my core!
Being called a sinner by Anna is always the highlight of my day
Ik right
Same!
That isn't really a virtue but okay.
@@missemotional8710 I have no idea what you're talking about
@@missemotional8710
Maybe not to you it isn’t
I really do not understand why people can't just not comment on fat peoples bodies. It's not that hard to not say anything - yet they never miss out on the slightest chance of contributing to fat phobia. Probably the number one argument they use would be ''I comment on your body cause it's unhealthy'' yet no one asked them for advise on nutrition nor do they ask skinny people if they have a healthy relationship with food. If you don't have anything nice to say just don't say anything, it's not that hard. If a fat person does not ask you for nutrition advise don't give it to them. Also most of the time the nutrition ''advise'' wouldn't be real advise but be just insults - It makes no sense to me
Lets not comment on anybodys body. fat, skinny, man, woman, child......its disgusting that anyone thinks a stranger cares what you think of their looks.
Absolutely agree! Also: the comment 'it's unhealthy' is also so lame. Many things in life are not healthy. Yet when do we ever see people point out the same 'unhealthy things' like they do to somebody who is fat/overweight/weight in general? Barely ever!
I've had discussions about this before, and people always come up with the same reasons as to why things like partying, drinking and/or taking dr*gs every once in a while are okay and something they don't say shit about. Why? 'It's different'.
Which might be very true because it's not the same thing as being overweigth, but it for sure is still not considered healthy.
Like why does the health of some fat b*tch matter so much, when you don't have the same energy for your friend who just drank 12 glasses of alcohol? Why is that 'different'?
It isn't different when it comes to things being considered healthy, yet people tend to often do those same things as well (drinking, partying, taking dr*gs) and don't want that same judgement (that they give fat people) passed onto them.
People never have anything to say after that. They rather just say 'I was trying to help you' (because pointing out that somebody is fat is a such a big help 💀) and move on to a different subject.
As a fat b*tch I get so much judgement for just existing. It's wild, and people will go through hoops to justify being nasty to me just because of my size.
People are just looking for someone to step on to feel better and that's the most unhealthy thing in their life atleast. Imagine having no achievements that will give you the chemical boost so you diss someone's body lmao.
Exactly, it's rude as fuck to comment on someone's appearance/ask about their health. As a fat woman myself, I absolutely don't buy for a second that some random stranger is "concerned" about my health. You're just looking for an excuse to be fatphobic. I only take health advice from my family, friends, and doctors.
I was a preschool teacher and I had another teacher tell me about how I should lose weight out of no where. It happened a few times.
Can we take a moment to appreciate that she used to word fat through out the whole video? SO many people treat the word fat like it's a slur when it isn't so seeing someone say fat folks instead of trying to find a way to say it just makes me happy
Going through the most recent comments has me tearing up. People are so VISCERALLY ANGRY online towards fat people just existing online. I'm so surprised and touched that people understand and sympathize with us. The last few days, I've seen so many people being so hateful towards fat people online. It's heartwarming to see Anna has fostered a wonderful and kind community who approaches this topic just as thoughtfully as she does.
What I am ANGRY about is this movement blaming everyone around them, especially white men and large people who diet and lose weight ... those people are now the ENEMY. And she CONGRATULATES an anorexic for GAINING weight, but insists no one should ever lose weight! The hypocrisy is jaw dropping. Just look at what Eugenia gets. BOTH extremes make choices as adults, yet neither wants criticism. They are in the same boat rowing different directions. It's all passing me off. You cannot force people to be attracted to any one thing.
@@mimibee626 You missed the point of the whole video. It isn't about losing weight is bad/good. It's your weight should not affect how people treat you or your opportunity. I am 5'10 and over 200 lbs, and that is a healthy weight for my body type. A DOCTOR TOLD ME that if I was under 170, that was an issue. Different body types have different weights that are healthy for them. Unless you are their doctor, mind your business.
Unless I don't understand the emphasis on CONGRATULATES. ED recovery is very difficult and of course should be encouraged! Even if you don't have an ED, weight gain can be great for you. (Again, 170 would be an unhealthy weight for me.)
And about the movement blaming "white men" and people who "diet and lose weight", that isn't the reason people are criticizing them. White cis men are the people who hold the most power, and they are the most likely to push the false narrative that "Fat people, or gaining weight, is always bad!". And they aren't made at people who diet or lose weight. They are mad that is the expected thing to do for every fat person, regardless of genetics, body type, blood disorders or other health issues.
This all can be wrapped up with: If you aren't a doctor, and don't know their medical history MIND YOUR BUISNESS! I don't mean to be condescending, this is just what everyone needs to do.
@@mimibee626 you clearly lack reading comprehension skills
5'10 and 200lbs is healthy?! Sure, sure... =)))))))))))))))))))))))
Oh, WOW YEAH! I should really lose weight. Maybe I can try cutting of limbs! My doctor said I have the right amount of muscle and fat for me to be healthy, but this internet stranger said I was overweight- Lemme quickly chomp off my arm!
No but seriously, for starting an educational conversation one this: This is my doctor approved healthiest weight. My body type is at its healthiest. Unless you are a doctor, know my specific body type, AND I've asked for input: Don't be dick, and keep my health out of your mouth.
When I was at my skinniest, it was because I was starving myself, over-exercising, self-harming, dealing with an ED that controlled my entire life, and drowning in crippling anxiety and untreated severe mental illness. These assholes would have told me I looked great when I was in the worst health of my life. Everyone: please seek mental healthcare and find healthy coping mechanism to deal with the stressors in your life.
I feel you, I also used to SH and over exercise at my skinniest, people would complement me but I literally just couldn’t see it. It wasn’t until I healed from my body dismorphia that I looked back and realized just how thin I was. Just because you are skinny doesn’t mean you’re healthy.
Eat right and exercise. Being extremely skinny is just as bad as being extremely fat. Live healthily. You only get one body, don't mistreat it.
The two times I was at my skinniest were when I was 17-19 and addicted to meth, next was when I was 39 and gave myself rhabdomyolysis by overexercising and had to be on dialysis for a month. Neither one is healthy.
I was in the same situation, I was barely eating but people kept telling me I looked great so I kept not eating. After lots of therapy, I’ve started eating better and I’ve gained weight but I feel much healthier than I did before
same here. I've recovered now but I still have such an unhealthy lifestyle. I JUST KNOW that if these people saw me, they wouldn't treat me like someone who is overweight, even though I almost never exercise, eat unhealthily and sit around most of the day. I can guarantee there are plenty of overweight people living much healthier lives than me and are still being blamed for "getting themselves into that situation". it's sad that people can openly voice such hateful opinions, but even some of the other girl's supporters are unhappy with her video.
"Why is it considered woke to be polite to others?" THIS 🙌
you can be polite and also acknowledge that being fat is both unhealthy and unattractive. also, sometimes motivating people requires harsh truth, sometimes said in an ugly way. for example, telling a smoker their breath stinks might make them want to quit more than if you said "smoking is bad".
fr and it's considered "woke" to have the slightest bit of racial representation in the media
@@yuenmienyu what. black people have been in media since tv was inventd
@@devinmcgroot7560 (sorry for the long read) poc still don’t appear in media as much as white people do because its not as ideal. even to this day, if a person of color were to appear in a movie or tv show, people will be very quick to say that its too woke for them to watch just because there are black people existing in that movie or tv show. Moses Ingram, a black woman who appears in Obi Wan, has gotten so many racist dms as well as death threats just because she appears within the Star Wars universe now. yes we may still appear on tv, but it’s definitely not as accepting as it should be still to this day.
@@jnoelleart 1. poc should not appear in media AS MUCH AS white people. there should not be a 1:1 ratio, because that's absurd and silly. You also don't want a 1:1 men to women ratio. Also, if you look at ratios, America is only 10% black people so why would there be 50% black people in media? Either way, it's a silly idea.
I dont watch star wars
Imagine thinking so highly of yourself in the worst ways possible🤢 you are so right about the fact that they’re just high school mean girls disguised as adults..
Yeah if the high school mean girls toll you you were fat they were propably right.
To be honest neither of them fit society’s standards of beauty and the both are not gonna win miss America I have no clue who they are to call other women fat and ugly.
@@AbianahTheGemini you don't need to be a 10/10 to call a 2/10 ugly.
@@charlottexroyalty7819 I didn’t know people turned into products, I must have missed that update. Cause no way anyone is proudly rating living human beings
@@charlottexroyalty7819so, according to you, what is the minimum a person must rate to have the right to call someone else ugly? Do they have to be at least a 3, a 5, maybe a 6.2? Please enlighten us.
I don’t think I have to point out, although I’ll do it anyway, that your way of thinking is what constitutes as true ugliness. Even homelier is your need to post it as if it’s something insightful and helpful. It really isn’t the vibe you think it is.
that's so funny how alex couldn't come up with a rebuttal as to why fat people shouldnt go to the beach in their bikinis and she said 'its just mean' 💀
My sister used to be super fat phobic. Until her mental health took a dive and she began to self meditcate with food and sleeping all day and became fat. It sucks that it took a body change of her own for her to gain empathy. Unfortunately that's how most people exist. Not unable to have any empathy until they experience exactly what another person is. I can't imagine being like that.
I can't imagine looking in the mirror and realizing how disgusting I've become by being fat. Shame what happened to your sister.
Being in the opposite end can give empathy too I’ve found. I was once an 18 year old at 70 pounds, the comments I received were anything but good. I couldn’t imagine the comments obese people get.
Weak
@@redblankie1219 you should try eating less
@@redblankie1219 That’s because you lack empathy. Shame about you.
I get the feeling that alex actually hates herself deep down in her heart
and she is bothered by how others can NOT hate themselves at a higher weight and probable "ugliness"
for SURE
She seems very angry about SOMEthing, and I don’t think it’s everyone else.
Of course she does, her misery is palpable.
Of course she does just because she doesn't go along with your ideology.
it really really just feels like she's just putting her own internalized hatred and traumatic experiences with her weight onto other people and it's sad to watch
the "anti-fatphobia" movements really just need to be renamed "being a decent person"
Depends what you mean. If you mean that a fat person should be able to walk down the street without someone yelling insults at them , that's reasonable. If you mean that unless we pretend that obesity doesn't cause health problems, we're not decent people, that's unreasonable.
You never ever need to comment on someone’s body good or bad. When i was super skinny and underweight everyone told me I looked amazing. When i finally hit a healthy weight i stopped receiving compliments. body compliments can cause ED too so just don’t talk about peoples bodies ever
@@Smithpollywe arent pretending that being underweight/overweight cant cause health issues.....both sides of the coin can! its just you dont get to treat people like shit because of their weight.....i mean, its none of your buisness what another person weighs, its not your body after all.
@@junkerburn2341 As I said in my comment :"If you mean that a fat person should be able to walk down the street without someone yelling insults at them , that's reasonable. " so clearly I don't think that you get to treat people like shit because of their weight. Secondly, there are people who are pretending / lying that being overweight doesn't cause heallth issues. Thirdly, it's your business what another person weighs if that person is your child and you are responsible for their health or if that person is your spouse and you are taking care of them. And while, the weight of a stranger isn't your business as an individual, as a society we have to be aware of the rate of obesity in society because so many services will be impacted. If 50% of the people in a society are obese, we know for a fact that a lot more resources of that society will have to go into tackling diabetes, for example. than if 5% of that society is obese.
It’s the other way around
'its not that i hate fat people (which they very obviously do) I'm just HONEST' - skinny girls after bullying the life out of someone who isn't a size 00 in the name of 'health/concern'
Felt the hell out of this!!
Bruhhhh FR we have a girl like this in our college and as an ex fat person,,,,sometimes I wish I could smack the shit outta her honestly 😭😭
@@jsevestjanova
This reminds me when mostly guys bullied me bc i am socially anxious and depressed and i guess i deserved it bc i should just not be weird so people would treat me like a human being,like,the logic yuckk
The high school experience
Trigger warning for the mention of anorexia and disordered eating in this; I can never imagine denying the existence of medical fatphobia because of an experience I had with a dietician/gastroenterologist while overweight. So, I had developed disordered eating and started dropping weight extremely quickly, my mother had seen this and taken me to a dietician to make sure what I was doing was healthy. (spoiler alert it was not) And when I talked about how I ate about 800-1000 calories per day and was excessively exercising, the dietician said I should raise it up only to 1100-1200 and that I was doing well. That entire appointment validated the idea that my disordered habits were good and about 2(?) or so months later I had lost about 35-40 pounds from my habits. My mother had her suspicions so she took me to an eating disorder clinic and I was diagnosed with anorexia. It’s safe to say we never saw that dietician again. Ignorance sucks, man.
This is a similar experience to mine. On the couple of years I was not "overweight" (according to BMI 🙄), I had a raging eating disorder. Like my resting heartrate was about 35bpm and my hair fell out. My doctors described this as "healthier" than carrying extra weight and pretended literally alarms didn't go off every time someone hooked me up to a heart rate machine. But these women would be fine with it, because me slowly dying didn't inconvenience them on an aeroplane.
@@strangergoat Ugh I’m so sorry. It makes me so upset to know that we live in a world like this.
Isn't 2000 calories like the minimum to *maintain* your weight if you're a teenager that *doesn't* exercise??? And you were exercising, so I can't imagine that anything under 1500 is a good idea even if you want to lose some weight.
“That entire appointment validated the idea that my disordered habits were good ” he literally told u to Raise your calorosa intake, didn’t say u were doing good. And it take more visit to arrive at a solution, one visit is not going to resolveanything
@@sofypi7493 By three hundred only. And it depends on how it was said.
"The real irony here is that if transgenderism is true than there is no such thing as homosexuality" I'm sorry, WHAT???? I lost brain cells
I’m so kind boggled by that I can’t comprehend it.
That is the kind of shit that would make it into a blonde joke.
My bisexuality leaving my body because I'm non-binary:
me being a gay trans man: *fading away*
Imagine when they find out gay trans people exist 🤯🤯
i hate when people say "the fat acceptance movement is just people wanting to be praised for being 300lbs!" like, no one is asking you to praise them, or claiming that being 400 pounds is healthy, they're asking you to treat them like a normal person, instead of acting like if you aren't constantly killing yourself to become skinny you might as well never leave the house so no one has to look at you
They complain about not getting dates and demand free seats on airplanes
@@jordannewsom3606 thats the minority
@@PersephonesRose-nr3oo The minority? The majority of fat people aren't even in this "movement"
@@jordannewsom3606 first of all, i think everyone complains about not getting dates, no matter who they are, and if they want free seats tbh i don't give a shit, that gives you more space as well so why are you complaining? do you not realize you also get more space or do you just want other people to not have things
second of all, yes the majority of fat people are in the movement, but the minority of the movement preach that being morbidly obese is healthy, a lot of them just want to be treated with respect instead of them just existing being some kind of statement and inviting insults and judgement under the pretense people are "just worried about your health!!" when let's be real they don't care about a stranger's health, they just want to be treated the same as everyone else
@@jasperjazzie No. America's population is 60% overweight. There is no way that the majority of fat people are in the movement online. It's not that big as you think. And I'm not worried about a random fat person's health. But if you're online expecting US to celebrate obesity, don't get angry when people go against it. I'm trying to slim down now. I don't want to be involved in that stuff. This is a minority thing. Once I'm off the internet this stuff isn't there.
Whats up with all these overgrown highschool “mean girls” desperately trying to cover up their lack of likeable traits with rudeness
Noooo they're not rude they just "tell it like it is" and they're "not afraid of getting cancelled" /s.
They probably think they can get away with it because they’re daddies have money
no i think that's their only trait total
As someone who used to weigh 400 pounds, but now maintains around 190 pounds, on the edge of the "normal"/"overweight" categories for my height, I have such mixed feelings about the Body Positivity movement, mostly the HAES section of the movement.
Fighting against medical fatphobia is one thing, but spreading the misinformation that extreme obesity doesn't cause increased risk for other conditions or that weight loss/maintaining weight loss is next to impossible is just irresponsible.
Doctors often focus way too much on weight as a factor in health, to the exclusion of other possibilities, but weight is a large factor in your health, especially at the extremes and does need to be taken into account.
When I was 400 lbs, I had so much joint pain, pre-diabetes, and high blood pressure, and now that is all just gone. I physically feel so much better.
Also, these two people suck
I think the problem with long term weight loss is how much your life circumstance and environment play a role. How many hours a week do you work? What type of job? How much stress? How many fast food places on the way home, cost of groceries, who are your friend/family? So many factors that are so hard to control. That's the problem. Having reasonable advice for what you can and cannot change and having reasonable expectations is important.
@@Pensnmusic Yeah, it's definitely not an easy thing to do, especially for the first few years, it requires a lot to build up the new habits that allow you to maintain, especially considering the prevalence of hyperpalatable food and the limits on access to whole foods in modern society.
Also, the prevalence of fad diets and diet culture have warped the public perception of how weight maintence should work. Losing large amounts of weight over a short time, with an overly restrictive diet that isn't sustainable is not healthy and is almost guaranteed to lead to regain.
I definitely hear you. As someone who has a history of disordered eating and yoyo dieting, I like the idea of haes because it acknowledges that weight isn't always the most important aspect of health. Like me attempting to actively lose weight right now would throw me back into such unhealthy eating/exercising habits and poor mental health patterns that it would be more damaging to me overall than just accepting my body the way it is and focusing on improving my health in whatever ways I can. And I think part of why haes is a thing is to encourage people who are fat to still take care of our health at whatever size we are and not to just assume that our health is a lost cause unless we can lose weight, which is just not always possible. But I also agree that many people misunderstand this and think we're saying that there are literally no health risks to being fat or benefits to losing weight, which is definitely not the case. For some people weight loss really can improve their health, and I'm super happy that's gone well for you.
@@stellablake6200 Yeah, I know that a lot of the HAES community view HAES the way you do, and I have no issue with that view of it, and I'm glad that it's helped you find a way to focus on your health that works well for you.
The problem is that many HAES influencers have made claims that don't necessarily reflect the same understanding of HAES that you and much of the HAES community may have, and reach into the realm of medical misinformation.
And because those people have a large voice and are seen as representing the community by the larger public, those views have unfortunately become associated with HAES in the public eye.
Just wanted to say thank you for sharing your experience. I also used to be over 400lbs at 5’5”. I was only 25 but I was in constant pain. My heart, lungs, back, and joints were constantly screaming at me. Everything was uncomfortable. I denied myself activities that I enjoyed because I physically could not do them.
Two years ago I started working with my doctor and my therapist and I began losing weight very slowly. I feel amazing and I am excited to continue making choices that are reasonable and healthy for me, but this is MY journey. It’s no one else’s and I would not presume to offer health advice or critique to anyone else.
I have received a lot of negative and unsolicited feedback from fat friends as I lose weight and it’s genuinely so hurtful. They have implied that I’ve “sold out” by making choices that have resulted in my body getting smaller. Like nah friend, I haven’t sold out, I just didn’t want to feel like dying anymore! 🙃
That HRH woman has been *screaming* the most awful, mean, horrific things into a camera and uploading it to RUclips for years. The things she says that somehow don’t get her banned is mind blowing 🤯
she is clearly deeply unwell.
@@besainted I agree she may have some form of issues, whatever they may be. However they do not excuse her racist, homophobic, transphobic, fatphobic, narcissistic, bigoted videos where she also loves to shame people with any form of disability or mental health issue. She and Christian Walker should just merge their RUclips channels.
I don't take seriously anyone who films stuff in their car, so strike one for her. Then I actually listened to what she was "saying" (quotes because she's not actually saying anything, just churning out hot air) and realized they should receive the Guinness world record for Karenism
She has regaled us with some top tier memes at least...
She had a whole rant over an Evian bottle. Idk how ppl genuinely enjoy her that much as a meme knowing she's this unbearable.
I am a man struggling w anorexia and bringing guys into the convo really helps with the stigma. I think the entire time ive been in treatment there was one other guy so its good to know people recognize our suffering.
I'm really sorry to hear that, I hope you're able to ake care of yourself friend ❤. You're not alone
It sickens me when people think they have an all holy mentality about body issues because they were once fat. These people are the harshest, calling you lazy. They think just because they did it means everyone is able to. They think being fat is ugly, gross and outright unacceptable. And more credibility is given to them because it's their personal experience
The thing is: 99% of the time these people still hate themselves, more specifically their fat selves. They're convinced that being fat is inherently wrong, and that everyone who is should make an effort not to be. They are hard on themselves still and fear gaining weight again more than anything. Basically, they are projecting their insecurities onto others and are convinced that they're doing the right thing
You can see it so well at 28:50. She doesn't have any argument, yet she's desperate to take happiness away from fat people because she was never able to be happy whilst being fat
Absolutely! They talk about this reality a lot on the Maintenance Phase podcast. Having been formerly fat and losing about 1/3 of my weight when I was 17, a lot of what you said is correct: for many years, I *did* hate myself still, and I held a lot of anti-fat bias and judgment towards fat people. Eventually, I realized that I didn't lose weight because I was more hardworking or whatever- I lost weight because I STARVED myself and gave myself disordered eating for years to come.
Continued reflection and reading on this topic led me to learn how deeply embedded anti-fat bias is in healthcare and society overall, to the point that we don't acknowledge how being overweight can be a protective factor in many cases. More than that, I learned that, jeez, some people don't WANT to lose weight or change how they look and that's absolutely fine!!!
TLDR; former fat person who lost 50lbs through basically starvation but lied to myself thinking it was due to hard work, thereby allowing judgment of fat people and fat bodies. Former fat people are indeed some of the most rampantly anti-fat. I realized how fucked up this all was. I've grown a lot since then, I promise!!!
Honestly when I hear her talking about being fat it sounds like what she's actually saying "I developed an eating disorder and I don't understand why everybody doesn't do that to get skinny" .
I agree there’s no justifying in attacking fat people for no reason. I’m considered an ex - fat person myself. But sustainable weight loss is challenging. Do I force it on others? Absolutely not, but I try to educate others one what’s realistic in health goals. Is losing weight a good decision? That’s up to the individual and how they feel.
it was the constant talk about being 'lazy' or people 'needing more self control' (because they're fat, so they obviously lack self control, right?) that drove me into some incredibly unsafe habits as a teenager that was already struggling. It's a horrible mentality and it's insidious how it warps your perception of yourself and the world around you.
@@bestaqua23 100% this. With the amount of absolute hatred she has towards fat people, you can just feel the self loathing she's projecting onto others. She doesn't like them reminding her of how she used to be fat (and 40 lbs heavier on her is not "fat" imo, but that's besides the point) and doesn't understand why they don't just 'fix it' (through any means necessary).
“You chose to be like that” ah. Yes. I remember the day I woke up and said to myself “hmm.. I think I’m gonna have PCOS” /s
Definitely a choice I made! My apologies for being a snowflake liberal who wants to be “unhealthy” and “obese”
Why is America pretty much the only western country that struggles with obesity then?
It's not PCOS, it's your eating habits.
@pidu4588 thought you did something huh
@@pidu4588Obesity is a problem in tons of countries.
@@pidu4588 If it's only an American issue, then clearly eating habits alone doesn't cause this problem. If it's only happening in one place, then obviously there's more to the story.
A lot of western countries have more restrictions on what sort of things they can put into their food that they sell at the grocery store. Even the "healthy" food that's marketed towards Americans isn't really that healthy and is just nothing but a scam. And in a lot of places, even if you want to eat healthier, you don't really live near any proper grocery stores. If you look at a lot of small towns, often the only kind of places people can get food is from places like The Dollar Store, and in the cities, food deserts are a big problem.
Plus, in most western countries, the cities tend to be more walkable than most parts of the US.
It's not that non-Americans are just more conscious about health. To maintain a healthy weight and avoid obesity, you need proper nutrition and exercise, and it's a lot easier to do that outside of the US than it is within. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's certainly more challenging. I've heard stories of people from European countries moving to the US and gaining weight after being there for just a couple of months, and I've heard Americans who have said that when moving to some European country, they've actually lost weight, even though they didn't really go to the gym or make plans to work out. They basically lost weight without even trying. When you have better access to nutrition and you're basically forced to walk everywhere more rather than forced to drive your car everywhere, you're gonna be physically (and probably mentally) healthier, even without meaning to.
i love being trans. everything is always my fault somehow (i am literally just a guy who doesnt leave his house)
conservatives just love adding in trans people and pronouns into the conversation no matter what the topic is 😭 it’s tiring and it makes no sense.
Really makes me confident. I feel like a weird cryptid. It's amazing.
The funny thing is all of they're arguments can easily be contradicted but if someone says anything its false and they're overly sensitive, when science literally proves us right.💀
right?? like bro what did we do 😐😐
@@ringodoodles490 breathe.
fatphobia is a real thing in medical healthcare. during teen years my gf started to gain weight really fast, she was athletic, she starved herself for days, but still was gaining weight. endocrinologist said that she's lying and just eat sweets at night. gynecologist told her she needs to loose weight and that she have "fatty thighs". she literally have bulimia and is really struggling with food (shes recovering now!!).
a friend of mine was also diagnosed with hypothyroidism only at 20 yo because her whole childhood and teenagehood she was told she just need to eat less and that shes just obese. she also starved herself for MONTHS and lost 30 kg with this medical condition.
otherwise me, underweight, was diagnosed with autoimmune thyroiditis at 13.
medical care really need to stop fatshame people and start to properly diagnose patients of every body size.
One time I was getting my blood drawn and the nurse said she was having trouble finding the vein due to cellulite on my forearm🤦🏾♀️ . I called her out on it immediately and I laugh now but it's immensly pathetic.
I hope this story brings a smile to your face because you and your gf are not alone to medical bullshit. And congrats to your gf on her recovery! 🎉
I went in because my dr. I've had most my life quit. Litterarly withing the first conversation he brought up my weight. I'm like 309. I'm also 5'11 and a cis women and a jr. in college(I'm 21) so... also my weight has stayed around 280-290 for a good 6 years. And when I mentioned 'hey I'm concerned of developing an ED becuase well I probably already have one but we just aren't going to address it' he pretty much said that It doesn't matter and I should still look into losing weight. Thanks dude. I will just earse years of trauma and issues connected food so that I can be healthy. Not to mention I've spent a decade wanting to off myself so I'd rather be as happy as I can for as long as I can than to worry about my body. I didn't think i'd make it to 21, so if I make it to 50 I lived a long life.
All doctors are fat phobic
I feel the urge to send this vid to my mom because she only RECENTLY began to understand the ramifications of fatphobia in different aspects of life, and that's only because I finally went to the dr about a mass in my armpit after seeing a diff dr TEN YEARS AGO who told me it's just like that bc I'm fat. My mom realizing that now I have to have surgery and how much it's grown because of that instance is the only thing that's helped her understand what fat people (like me) have to face
My uncle passed away from cancer bc his doctor was pushing it off as his weight and my aunt made him go to her doctor and then sent him to get it tested in December and then it was basically too late bc it was stage 3 and spread so he had to do chemo then he passed away that may in 2015
Sad reality for people overweight. I’ve also had issues with medical bias and fat phobia. My mother also hasn’t realized the effects I’ve had to live with. Will definitely in the future recommend this video to her. Hopefully get the same response as your mom.
i will email it to her for you
@@JL_Pope Im so sorry that happened. Also sounds like a malpractice lawsuit.
they fail to consider the factor of mental health that plays into laziness. what do they expect like??
thanks girlies! you cured my depression by calling me ugly fat and lazy! how nice of you to tell me the truth! let me just go be skinny now!!
Same girl we're skinny legends now💅🏽✌🏽🤪 I definitely don't hear that same thing from my siblings teheh. These girls are so smart✨✨
ikr.
Same with not showering ect. All my struggles are gone now because you pointed it out :)
@@adettessubs444
same. I didnt know if i was overweight and depressed that i should just think positive and work out! Such a genius idea! People will treat me nicely because im no longer a fatty
I was a chubby kid ever since I was little, and didn't really exercise much. But I remember at 4th grade I noticed my ankle was swelling up, and it hurt so much to run and walk. My parents blamed it on my weight, and told me to exercise more. So it turns out I had a severe flatfoot, and the only reason my parents got me help was because my math teacher noticed it and told them.
I'm still grateful for my teacher, because it could have turned out much worse.
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F o u r t h g r a d e
4th grade?? dude omg you were a fucking baby what is wrong with them
Wouldnt weighing more cause more pain as your feet are forced to support more weight?
@@koii319to a degree, but not by THAT much. That is another force acting on the body.
My late cousin was close to 400lbs in 2013. That same year, she made a commitment to lose weight so she could pursue her dream of being a chef. Over the course of the next two years, she lost close to 150lbs, and she started to live independently while attending culinary school.
Then, in late 2015, she was diagnosed with aggressive brain cancer. The surgery to remove the tumors caused her to lose almost all of her sight and triggered Cushings Disease. Her body was producing excess cortisol, any amount of sugar treated as ten times as much by her body. Her weight and health spiraled out of control. Type 2 diabetes, gangrene from minor scrapes, permanent bruising. Some tumors reappeared in 2018, but pneumonia took her before the cancer could.
It was not only painful to watch such a positive, amazing person deteriorate rapidly over four years, but it was infuriating to see the way people looked at her whenever we were in public. Luckily, she couldn’t see the disgust or outright disdain on other’s faces. I wanted to scream at those people - what happened to her was entirely out of her control. She was the kindest, most caring, and most hard-working person I’ve ever had the pleasure of knowing. But strangers didn’t see that. All they saw was her body.
Discusting scumbags. I'm so, so, so sorry for your loss. Sending love to you. 💕
@@KyleBruhVloski it was quite difficult, but also entirely expected. She was in so much pain; it was a comfort to know that death was an escape from her suffering. I still have good memories of helping her paint after she lost most of her vision. I have odor-color synesthesia, so our collaborative works were a sort of exploration of the senses. She also got me into origami. I have tons of paper cranes and frogs scattered around my apartment.
Lecturing strangers on health when you regularly hotbox your car with cigarette smoke is wild
She’s not an everyday smoker, she’s likely to outlive most fat people🤷♀️
This is honesty heartbreaking that when you search up "fatphobic" on RUclips the first thing that comes up is a video actually justifying fatphobia. As someone recovering from anorexia I was trying to find some positivity regarding my weight gain and seeing so many people literally promoting disordered behaviour is sad. Thank you so much for making this video, it's incredibly helpful
people with a fear of gaining weight will go to the gym and eat less
@@Fein01or get depressed and stay in their room all day
@@Fein01You don't know what you're talking about.
@@Fein01actually no a lot of us will just fucking die but that is what you want
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i'm a man but just because i have wider hips than normal, i gain weight easier and it clearly shows on my body. even as a "mid-size" man i still suffer from fatphobia very frequently. thank you for including us :)
Whenever I got put on my current medicine, my doctor told me, "Hey! On this medicine, you will lose some weight. Which everyone loves, aint that right?". What i was not told was that i would be throwing up or had diarrhea and would not be able to eat that much without throwing up
... ew. even just a doctor saying "everyone loves to lose weight" is super weird. i'm sorry you had to deal with that
Whenever I hear talking points from these "Anti-woke" "conservatives," I find that my mind automatically goes to a counter-argument related to Japanese culture and society (I'm Japanese.) For this specifically. The sport of Sumo. I've never once heard these people bring up Sumo, when it's always the first thing that comes to mind for me. Sumo wrestlers eat healthy, they're active, they consistently consult with nutritionists and trainers, and most relevant to the topic, they're all obese. They deliberately, in a controlled environment, eat to gain weight. They're living contradictions to the arguments that fat people are that way by their own shortcomings, and are therefore putting themselves in an unhealthy condition. (Which let's be real, they don't care that many obese people are highly susceptible to cardiovascular diseases, etc.) People can just eat healthy and be fat. I know American/Western culture comes from a different perspective with unhealthy foods being most accessible, but eating, unhealthy or healthy, causes weight gain. How shocking.
As a fat athlete who does boxing and high endurance sports I love that you emphasized that people can be fat and healthy (athletic)
People are always surprised when I Can lift 80-90 pounds easily. But oh. I’m a size 18-19 so pardon me for being strong and fat 😂
nope. It's still unhealthy, to be strong you have to have a lot of fat which is very hard on your body. The strongest weightlifters are very fat and what about it? They are also on steroids, just because you are strong doesn't mean you body is fine with it. They usually die earlier (weightlifters do too). Their heart is overworked. Their organs are fatty, they have metabolism issues from the sheer amount of food they have to consume. You can't eat healthy and be fat because to be fat you gotta eat more than your body needs, simple as. Overeating, not eating causes weight gain, it's just calories in, calories out. When are you people gonna understand this
Edit: Oops, I misread your post @ashr00m and I thought you were saying that Sumo wrestler _are_ healthy and not that they _eat_ healthy. My original post has nothing to do with your point. My apologies.
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Don't sumo wrestler have a reduced life expectancy in comparison to the average Japanese man?
@@langustajableczna imagine being this cringe 😬
@@twideslauriers7875 if the simple fact that more mass = more pressure makes you cringe then idk. No help for you left
I’m not even fat, I weigh 130, it’s the healthiest I’ve been in 18 years. I weighed 98 pounds on my 17th birthday…last year. I’ve been made fun of for my weight my entire life being told I look anorexic, asked if I even eat, told to “eat a sandwich” and in the last year those same people have switched to “wow you’ve gained some weight” “you should eat less” “do you exercise?”….I have had no control over my weight ever, I was so skinny because my metabolism was way to fast for me to ever keep up with, and now I’m big because of my medicine….so please tell me again what you want from me? You’re gonna make fun of me for being skinny, you’re gonna make fun of me for being fat, so what do you want from me?
I’ve just found your videos Annamarie and I absolutely adore them, you’re hilarious❤️❤️
Same, and from people I thought were my friends posting it publicly on my socials. 😑 Honestly the ugly comments are just projections of their own self hate onto you.
In the worst of times, I started to dislike people in general. My dog was my most loyal and loving ally, pulling me out of my slump to go outside and get my self esteem back.
I would kill to be 130 pounds lol. But honestly people need to learn how to keep their mouths shut. When I was younger I used to beat ass whenever someone said anything remotely rude to me because I refused to be bullied. Then in middle school I stopped fighting because I was scared I would get stabbed and the bullying was atrocious. I was very short and chubby and people would bully me all the time about it. Then in high school I got an eating disorder and a growth spurt and became thin but I was still being bullied for being ugly and a bitch. Now I’m an adult and I have very attractive men obsessed with me and it’s a lot to take in I feel like l have a duty to be attractive and adhere to the male gaze and it’s tiring. I feel like women would be able to get at lot more accomplished if individuals would stop policing our bodies.
@rexs.5188you can't just "ignore them" that's not how mental health works sadly
I still have issues showing my face cause something a "close friend" told me in FOURTH GRADE (they said I should never be a RUclipsr cause of how I looked. I was average looking at the time)
she literally does “tricks” like chewing a chip for an extremely long period of time and she says it makes her feel fuller 😭
@@koffiecake it’s ridiculous that she’s so concerned about weight to the point she’ll psychologically trick herself into thinking she ate a lot? did i offend you or something?
@@koffiecake i’m literally just pointing out the fact that she most likely has disordered eating. it’s not that i’m treating her in any way, but it’s not good to eat the way she’s eating and she’s talked a lot about eating tips. and you’re very focused on the fact i brought up chips, she doesn’t just do it with chips, it’s how she eats everything- which is not safe for your health.
@@koffiecake there’s no reason to defend someone when they’re encouraging their followers to psychologically trick themselves into eating less to lose weight. sorry?
@@koffiecake and it has absolutely nothing to do with gender. i’ve actually talked to MULTIPLE men about disordered eating and how it’s unsafe for them to just cut back everything bc they wanna lose weight and work out without food in their system.
@@koffiecake growing up in figure skating, it’s everyone around you that’s struggling with body issues, not just women. so believe me, i would not treat a man any differently.
As a type 1 diabetic fatphobia literally has made it HARD AS FUCK to get ANYONE to take the insulin crisis seriously. Because apparently since some people feel like diabetics "did it to themselves"(ok besties, because there's no other factors for developing Type 2) we ALL suffer. "Just get healthy", if you are a type 2 diabetic and get put on insulin it's going to take a month to a year+ of diligent work, people say "reverse" it like it's easy to lose 100+ lbs. A type 2 diabetic has all the shitty stigma for diabetes and NONE of the sympathy and it's insane.
I was at a "healthy weight/BMI" when I was dealing with a "phase-like eating disorder" (without lasting effects). It sucks that I was accepted by doctors, peers, and family when I was unhealthy and skinny as a result of mental illness, but after gaining weight it all changed. I am suddenly "overweight" when I no longer fear food.
It's cruel.
Curious what you mean by 'phase-like eating disorder'? Like different phases / cycles of disordered eating?
Also if you look into the history of 'healthy' weights its all outdated, and simply wrong. People weren't eating right, and most were going hungry. Not to mention the affect hunger has on later generations.
Also being unhealthy isn't a sign of morality. Like I have chronic illness, I'll never be healthy.
THIS
EXACTLY
also weight can be affected by chronic illness, plenty of people can't maintain a "good" (emphasis on the quotations) body weight due to illness related stuff like medication, dietary restrictions, mobility issues making exercise harder, etc.
With that mindset you wont. Many people have healed chronic illnesses they were told will never go away. But modern, western medicine wont talk about it.
@@calistafalcontail yes, lemme tell my best friend they can just wish their dwarfism away with positive thinking and acupuncture.
Ok but like, who's legitimately saying this? Who's actually saying that being unhealthy is immoral? Because you're right, it's not, but when people say X thing is "good for you" or "bad for you" , they're not saying you're an inherently better or worse person because of it, what they mean is that it's beneficial or harmful to you.
And yeah, you can't help your chronic illness, you'll never be truly healthy, but health isn't this standard that, if you don't meet it, you're inherently a bad person or unworthy of respect as a human being or whatever. It's about taking care of your body, for your own sake, because at the end of the day you're the one living in it, and you're the one who's gonna suffer the effects of poor health, even if your poor health is for reasons that are beyond your control, so why wouldn't you want to do what you CAN do (regardless of how little it is) to maintain the highest level of health that you possibly can reach?
"When you coddle people, you handicap them." Yeah, I bet fat people feel really coddled when people don't provide comfortable spaces for them and get everything blamed on their fatness.
You're very well-spoken and the editing on this is, though simple, very clean. Good on you for making this!
Gravity is a thing. Should we blame it on that instead?
@@VF555xx ???
@@jamdoe6486 physical reality is not made for your comfort, how self centered can you be? Gravity is real and so is cost. The fact a chair exists that can't fit you isn't the fault of the standardized chair. It's a sign that you should be losing the weight if you keep breaking them or can't fit. not that everyone else needs to build and pay for your comfort.
@@VF555xx do you think that I'm blaming a chair... instead of the industries that decide not to accommodate people of different sizes? If a person with a wheelchair couldn't move around in a building, would you tell them to grow up and learn to walk?
Also did you not watch the part of the video which talks about how there are genetic factors to body shape? It's not a case of "lose weight", which the video also points out can be an unsustainable effort.
@@jamdoe6486 how dare you compare losing a leg to being obese. Stop lying and using the struggles of others to make excuses. No it's not genes or body shape bs you literally can't be fat without maintenance of a high calorie diet. That's a fact, just like the fact building a super sized industrial chair obviously cost more and uses more material. So unless you want to personally build it and pay for it why would everyone else do it for you?
What always confuses me about the health argument is that there are so many things that are unhealthy that aren't judged so harshly. Just think about how many of us don't get enough sleep, how overworking yourself is encouraged and all that, it really feels like an excuse...
Is there a "not enough sleep liberation" movement though?
@@SeaBreeze-w9999 no but it's definitely romanticised to a degree and no one is commenting condescending shit on videos that are like "haha running on three hours of sleep and two energy drinks".... There doesn't need to be a liberation movement because people aren't bullied for that...
@@lilaboxx So the fat liberation movement is necessary because of bullying? Bullying of fat people means there needs to be a movement to pretend there's nothing wrong with obesity, to demand people be attracted to fat people, to push for fat people to be accommodated everywhere at all costs?
@@SeaBreeze-w9999 it's just about letting people live their life without constantly patronising them. If a fat person is just existing on social media they're not "promoting" obesity, they're just vibing. Let them.
@lilaboxx It's just about letting people live their life. And demanding people be open to dating them. And pretending there's nothing unhealthy about obesity. And shaming people who celebrate their own weight loss. And demanding all airlines, restaurants, hotels etc. cater to them.
Alex reminds me of a chihuahua when you try to do something they don’t like💀
Or whatever her name was
You mean Amala?
@@quranturner7176 Amala is not as aggressive as Alex though. She's like a stereotypical high school mean girl
27:55 And for a while I felt ashamed to even exercise cause I thought I looked gross. SO NO. Calling people ugly and fat shaming them will not make them "do better". It'll just make them depressed.
EXACTLY. You're not doing _anything_ good by shaming them.
as a thin person myself,this behavior absolutely disgusts me. ive been insecure about my body all my life because of what others have told me. I'm a mild case. i cant imagine what people heavier than me go through. my mother who is one of the healthiest people I know, is mid-size. weight and health do not go hand in hand! ugh! people with this mindset really keep society from moving forward
Same here! I'm also a thin person and all my life people have made really uncomfortable comments about my body about how thin I am. Of course, I'm on one end of the spectrum and have no idea how hard it must be for folks larger than me, but one thing I do know is that these biases are definitely sickening to me.
@@agoose2021 yes! people need to understand comments about peoples bodies/weight are never ok without consent. i hope you’re doing well 💗
Same
The title reminds me of this quote:
“It’s not “dark humor”, you’re just an asshole” ……. - Kurtis Conner
As someone who isn’t overweight, this was still a blood boiling video. I can’t understand how two women can bring other people down like that, especially after hearing about their experiences.
I never knew that plus sized people had such a prejudice against them on airlines either; something that I think isn’t right and should be talked about more. But to think that, even after hearing someone only saying “you don’t need to lose weight to enjoy life”, two people could be that petty and self-righteous about the way other people look? It’s disgusting.
Sorry, but you are fatphobic because you are not fat. Period.
@@mimibee626 >this arguement literally comes from random uneducated fat ppl on tiktok n isnt made by actual eduacated activists
@@mimibee626 i really hope this is sarcasm 😭
@@mimibee626 what a bad troll. -2/10
i agreeeeee like two very much skinny people just blatantly being fat phobic for their own pleasure
can we all agree that midsized doesn't exist in society?? if you're not skinny, you're treated like you're fat by peers, doctors, family, and others. i've dealt with it my whole life and being called midsized and "not that fat" is a slap in the face.
you have to acknowledge that you do not have the same experiences as fat people who are bigger than standard shop sizes though. we are literally treated as sub-human, and you have to acknowledge that our experiences are different.
I agree never have been called this directly but have had this experience my whole life as someone somewhat overweight and not obese
@@jifij89 that's not what I meant to convey with this comment, my problem is that people have a problem with me calling myself fat and get offended because i'm "midsized." i'm over 200 lbs and i've dealt with bullying, gossip, and all that other shit. I get that you are treated worse depending on circumstances, but i don't think we should be getting offended at girls calling themselves fat and owning it. sorry i forget that tone can't be conveyed over text 😭
Midsized is meant to be a term to refer to clothing, not people. Idk when it became an identity but that’s not really what the term is made for
@Marianne S i’m around a 10-12 and i still get treated like i’m fat lol. i get treated A LOT better than when i was a size 18-20 so i’m not denying fatter folks get treated worse and deal with much worse oppression, but yeah i definitely still don’t get treated the same way as my thin friends. just a month ago i had someone tell me i would be perfect for them if ‘i were a bit smaller.’ this wasn’t someone i was interested in or anything, just a random customer that came into my work. granted it was definitely a neg but the point stands that even as a 10-12 with an hourglass shape people still view me as fat enough to neg about it.
I’ve been both underweight and obese. The treatment to fat folks in absolutely insane. I can’t post anywhere without some random calling me fat and bringing my weight into it. People always say the same “eat healthy and workout” to lose weight when there is so much more that actually goes into it, like you said. I gain over 100lbs in a year due to medication that saved my life. I also have pcos and have 4 diagnosed mental health disorders. Plus add working full time. These things all play a role in being able to lose weight. I don’t deny being fat can cause health issues but I also acknowledge being fat isn’t always inherently unhealthy. It’s all situational. I swear most people see my 600lb life and think all fat people exist that way. At the end of the day, if you don’t like fat people, whatever, just give respect. It’s sad that so many people treat fat people like they are somehow less than them simply because of their weight. Our worth should not be exclusive to our weight.
same. lol i use pictures of me from when i was 17 years old sometimes online bc it makes people nicer to me. not even to "lie" on a dating thing or anything it just genuinely makes em less rude it's wack
Fatphobic people will say the issue they have with fat people is that "they're unhealthy", but you rarely see people complaining about skinny people who promote unhealthy lifestyles (binge drinking, unhealthy eating, dieting scams, not drinking enough water, not sleeping enough, etc)
Fair point
That is absolutely 1000000% correct
I AGREE WITH THIS SO HARD LIKE BEING ABSOLUTE SKIN AND BONES AND BARELY EATING FOR DAYS IS NOT HEALTHY! BUT NOOO ITS ALWAYS THAT WE NEED TO LOSE WEIGHT AND DEVELOP A FUCKING EATING DISORDER
I hope this makes sense. I feel really strong about this topic.
Are there "liberation" movements for people who aren't sleeping or drinking enough? Are such people demanding things be redesigned around them?
@@SeaBreeze-w9999 no, but that's obviously not the point I'm making here. If they were saying "fat people are bad bc they demand change" then I wouldn't have made this comment. But they claim "Im only saying this about fat people bc I care about them and want them to healthy". They're feigning being genuinely empathetic and acting high and mighty when really they just want to be assholes. And if they're gunna be assholes they should just own up to it.
These women are so awful, honestly. As a thin person myself, I’ve definitely noticed that society has conditioned many, many people-myself included-into seeing fat people in a worse light inherently, or hearing ‘fat’ as a dirty word/insult rather than a neutral descriptor.
As I see it, the societal programming is similar to how many people grow up with internalized homophobia, racism or transphobia-sure, fatness can be controlled to a degree by the individual, but there’s nothing inherently wrong or abnormal with weighing more or less than another person, just like there’s nothing wrong with someone loving the same gender. We’re just conditioned to see it as ‘abnormal’ and in a negative light.
As a thin person, after noticing this bias in myself I’ve been working to unpack and get rid of it so I can be a nicer, more accepting person in the long run, and I’m sure that there are many, many more people who need to do the same. After all, most thin people are born into families that are also composed of mostly thin people, which only perpetuates the problem.
Anyways, unlearn your biases as best you can because it’s a lifelong thing and society conditions you to be mean and catty like the two abhorrent women in this video, so just try and be nice to people
More people need to think this way, it's sad to see people indoctrinated with these hurtful ideas.
I'm really glad that medications effect weight was mentioned too. When I got on antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds, I gained weight. And people have suggested to me to get off of them to go back down to my original weight. Being thinner is no way Anywhere Near as important as being better mentally now.
I'm much happier now but people think I'm less healthy because I'm heavier. Shocking for them to learn that I am miles healthier now than ever before.
I'm happy you're happy but I also can't stop snickering at the fact that people really said "I'd like you better if you were skinny and depressed 😌💅🏽"
😭😭😭 Like people literally don't think about the shit they say. It's so embarrassing.
I’m glad that helped you, but I was on 4 antipsychotics in college and blew up to over 200 lbs (I know that’s majorly obese and really not the “Borderline” that body positively aims to) now I can’t make real friends, and I cause pain whenever people look at me because I’m big. It has made me into a worthless person and I would happily shrivel away just to stop hurting everyone with my face
I literally didn't want to take antidepressants because I was scared of the weight gain as I already have body issues as is, and the body neutrality movement helped me so much with it and it made me realise that it wasn't a big deal, or even a significant trade off, to have mental health over anything else
These things make a difference, maybe a live saving one
@@bexmccarthy4526 go to therapy instead of undermining people's efforts with your disordered thoughts. Jesus christ.
I used to believe what they said about "fat people being lazy," and how, "you'll be skinny if you work hard enough." That thinking sent me down a path of disordered eating and exercise. It got to a point where I would barely eat anything in a day, and I would praise myself for having hunger pains because that meant I was losing more weight.
I'm still recovering, but I'm doing better then before. Just know that you're weight doesn't matter in the end. What matters is that you're you're happy and healthy and you can be those and at any size
I had a similar experience when I started college. 😕 I was dealing with a mental health crisis, and that 'freshman fifteen" sent me over the edge. The restriction and working myself to exhaustion made me feel in control, despite being the farthest thing from. 😮💨 I'm so glad I got out of that cycle. I have way more energy; physically, mentally, and emotionally.
@Daniel Pejic As long as you aren't doing so unhealthy, sure. Some people have tied exercise to self-harm and punishment, which needs extra care. This is a very complicated thing.
@Daniel Pejic no one said that Daniel reading comprehension is lacking isn’t it
@Daniel Pejic who asked you dude? nowhere in the comment did OP disagree with your point
@Daniel Pejic I understand what you're trying to say here. I agree with you, exercise is very good for both your physical and mental health(I for one love cycling). What matters is that you do so in moderation which is what I wasn't doing. Extreme dieting and exercise is very dangerous and can lead to injury and even death in some rare cases. So it's important to be careful and to understand/learn your limits in whatever you're doing in order to stay safe and improve yourself in a healthy way :)
Somehow at 15 I continue to find adults that cannot find the decency to be a nice human being, and it blows my mind that I can show more empathy and compassion for the other humans around me that people who have had 10+ more years than me to figure it out.
you truly encapsulated the energy of this alex person when you said “mean girl energy”. she reminds me exactly of the girls i was friends with in highschool, petty and insecure and “brutally honest” but really just enjoys being mean to people
I always love when people name off health factors when being fat but never point out health factors when being skinny/underweight
i’ve always been overweight but when i was maybe 16 i started eating healthy and exercising an hour a day but it quickly became barely eating and exercising 3 hours, so i dropped like 3 stone in less than 6 months and i got so much praise for it. You could really see bones at one point and even my mum who knew about my problem to some extent was extremely complimentary. it’s never about health in the slightest, only looks
@@springwater6693 I'm sorry you are dealing with that it's definitely hard especially when people compliment it I always say being healthy should never start with losing weight
it's actually been proven that being overweight can help people live longer because skinny people have less weight to lose when they get sick, and it makes recovery harder
i'm not shaming thin people OF COURSE, just that they conveniently ignore studies like that because it shows them they're wrong
@@ThePunkina1 i’m really lucky to have gotten out of that phase and not gone back, but it is interesting to have that perspective and know firsthand how little anyone cares about health as long as you get smaller
@@SkwithOv yes a good example is the Renaissance times it was seen attractive because that meant you were healthy and wealthy
I think health should be removed from talking about fat liberation. Wether or not people are healthy shouldn’t affect how they’re treated and their ability to access things (either because of weight or disability) but to claim that every person is healthy is grossly incorrect (ie haes [I know many don’t view haes to mean every single person is healthy but some fat positive people do think this]).
Agree.
i am currently in recovery for a horrible ed. at the height of my sickness when i weighed the least and felt the worst i had friends, family members and even strangers telling me how good i looked. that “praise” reinforced my ed and encouraged me to keep doing what i was doing
I'd like to add for the beginning that the body neutrality movement can also be a struggle for disabled people because ours bodies DONT work how they should. A lot of that stuff is just what helps you most until you start getting involved in the movement. My body neutrality focuses a lot on my disabilities and my acceptance of them. No my body doesn't work quite right but that doesn't mean anything about me. I don't need to be healthy to deserve life and stuff like that. Just a general "meh" to if I look and work differently then able people do
@ Salty Dino Nuggies I’m actually working on this right now. It’s been hard coming to terms with the fact that I’ve had to give up on so many opportunities and dreams because I’m disabled. It’s hard but I’m getting there. I’m proud of myself for making it as far as I have and doing all I’ve done but I’m still sad about all the things I’ll never be able to do.
Your hair is absolutely popping off rn wow
Ik right… drop the routine pls
Wow her hair looks wild
Ikr? She's looking great
It's giving Joheved.
Or Miriam in this case.
'Why is it considered woke to be polite to others?' THIS IS SO FCKING TRUE ATM IDGI
I’m so impressed at how restrained you were watching this. I wanted to cry at the cruelty shown by these two women. This is so horrific. 😢
"Cruelty"
Bro...These two women just pointed out how destructive the Lifestyle of fat people is.
I wonder how you'd react if someone was actually mean to you.
I bet you would just implode and have a mental breakdown or something.
I'm fat and have a ton of stories, but the one that takes the cake is when I had a gastrointestinal infection and couldn't even keep down water, I lost 20lbs in 10 days and when I commented that, the nurse said "oh that's good". My mother also told me "well since you've lost 20lbs, you should try to keep it off."
Like, that much weight loss that fast is dangerous and was mostly from severe dehydration.
But yeah, at least my doctor and my sister were like "uh that's really bad" but they were the only ones
Listen. It's not unhealthy if you die of nutrient deficiency or dehydration while you're overweight. You should have lost even more weight. Maybe sell some kidneys and a chunk of your liver next time. That's a couple pounds less and that means you're a couple pounds healthier, regardless of how you did it.
Jesus Christ that’s horrifying
People are so obsessed with losing weight they couldn't care less if someone was dying as long as they were losing weight... It's so messed up.
I keep getting recommended Amala’s videos as if I’m in the demographic when I am not . It’s really annoying because a lot of the comments treat her as “one of the good ones” (if ykyk) and really undermines the already struggling bubble of fat people, lgbtq+ , women, disabled, and other bipoc. That’s not to say bipoc can’t have other opinions but treating as if what Amala says is what bipoc “really need” is really hurtful and seems like a part of misogynoir.
I have a condition called endometriosis. It took me 7 years to be diagnosed because I was always ignored based on race, age, past life history, weight.
At 25 I got my surgery, and every since I have gained weight due to the medications I’ve been on it to treat this debilitating pain.
I am also an athlete, I work out, do boxing, and roller derby.
Yet I am a size 18 and weigh 180+ pounds. I am more confident now and stronger, I can easily lift up 80-90 pound objects with ease.
Yet society claims in lazy 😂
Honestly gtfo lololol
Get it dude! ✨🎉🥳
(idk what gender you are so I hope dude is okay 🙂)
@@Slushiii6804 I am non-binary! I use They/Them. Thank you friend 🥰 May you be blessed wherever you go!
@@happyzombiikitti you're welcome ❤
im similar to you, i workout regularly but im told im lazy just because of my genetics. i appreciate your comment 🫶
When I was at my skinniest, I couldn't walk a mile without becoming exhausted. I put weight on, and I was able to go 5+ miles.
Right now isn't so good; I was bed-ridden for a year with a severe injury. I finally got my leg amputated and have a prosthesis, but my core muscles have atrophied and I don't have the endurance. I was (and still am) majorly depressed; for my injury and forced immobility and because my mom passed unexpectedly during that time. I'm an only child with no other family, she was in the room right next to mine. Nothing was in order (house, finances, etc) and I didn't know what I was doing; I've always found asking for help impossible, because I've been conditioned to expect rejection.
I'm not looking for pity, but these are reasons I'm at my heaviest now.
But I'll end on a joke.
After my amputation surgery, I went to intense inpatient rehab. When I was weighed upon arrival, I was like, "Sweet! I've lost twelve pounds!"
Yeah, dumbass... your leg got cut off! 🙄😆🤦🏼♀️
im a lesbian and i just wanna say i think fat women are so pretty & beautiful so obviously they're wrong abt objective beauty being a thing
Only two things should matter; if you're healthy, and if you're happy. I'm honestly tired of my mom thinking she's ugly just because she'd be considered overweight.
2 things I wanted to mention. One, I've always struggled with being overweight since I was young and was generally bullied for it but when I lost a lot of it, I noticed right away people are nicer to you. The bias definitely exists.
Two, as you mentioned, you don't know what somebody is going through but another thing I've always thought is why? Why do you (people who do mistreat fat people) feel the need to mistreat fat people and try to make them feel bad? I think these sorts of people just lack basic decency
12:25 TW: Suicide Ideation
Yes, I’ve thought of unaliving myself because I never matched up to expectations because I didn’t have sharp features, a ‘masculine’ body and a flat stomach. EVERYONE is not invited to the conversation, as was mentioned.
i'm so sorry, i hope you're in a better place now. men deserve to have a place in the conversation as well.
you are SO important and i’m so so sorry youve been at that point. much love
@@AnnamarieForcino I’ve come a long way since then but it’s a struggle.
me too bro 🫂🫂 it's rough on us man too, i hope you're feeling better now and can recognize your worth :)!
This is so wrecking sad.
Glad you've come a long way since then and wish you happiness and self-acceptance!!
I'm sure you're a strong caring and thoughtful man, and that's all that matters, really. The way you look says NOTHING about you. Your inner self is much more magnetic for people!
tbh even if being overweight WAS something that was always unhealthy it’s still stupid to treat people badly because of how they look
In what way is being overweight not always unhealthy?
@@Bynasf 17:57
@@1937stateprk this is literally like saying that a sickness is healthy because it’s genetic. It’s still unhealthy, it’s just not necessarily your fault
@@Bynasf but being overweight isnt a sickness? its just extra body fat? i get that being fat can obviously have its downsides but not every fat person faces those downsides n it doesnt hinder them so how is being a bit bigger always unhealthy
@@1937stateprk obviously bigger doesn’t mean more unhealthy for everyone, being painfully skinny isn’t healthy either. However, beyond a certain point, more fat is essentially worse. As a bigger person you’ll have higher cholesterol and narrower arteries no matter the reason
When Alex called that woman & those who are fat lazy it pissed me off. As someone who is trying to lose a little bit of weight for my personal health it wasn't laziness that caused me to be fat. I have a number of genetics & medical issues that make it harder for me to lose weight. U don't have access to someone else's medical information therefore u can't just say that someone who is fat is that way because of laziness nor can u say they are unhealthy due to their weight as everyone regardless of weight can be either healthy or have medical issues. And shaming someone just because they exist is never okay
Women like the ones AnnaMarie is responding to just make me feel this anxious feeling in my stomach.
I have struggled with body image issues for years and these women are just making things worse for everyone.
AnnaMarie, thank you for calling these women out.
Body image also bleeds into an ableist spectrum too. I'm someone with one hand from birth and I realized the other day I've seen no one with my body on TV or film. I'm not an ideal body so it's like I don't exist and ppl are genuinely surprised I'm real and I'm can do anything anyone else can.
“if transgenderism is real there’s no such thing as homosexuality” WHERE DID THAT COME FROM HOW DID HE GET THERE 😭😭 I HAD TO PAUSE AND THINK ABOUT IT BC I JUST DONT SEE THE CONNECTION IM SO LOST
30:05 I agree. Some people think telling the "harsh truth" is just tough love. But it disregards a person's humanity and demonstrates that you do not have the emotional capacity to the person.
yeah, but if you're quiet and don't tell them the truth then you're a coward and you're contributing to their self-destructive behavior. a truly good friend will tell you that you're doing something wrong.
@@devinmcgroot7560 or, and here comes a truly inconceivable notion: don’t comment on someone’s body at all. “positively” or negatively, or even neutrally. their body has nothing to do with you.
did you even watch the video? she clearly pointed out that there is SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that body shaming can quite literally have a physiological effect on a person’s body.
@@zoeg4213 being overweight has a physiological effect on the person's body. it gives heart problems, and shortens a person's lifespan. NOT commenting on it is a disservice to that person, if you care about their well being.
The fact that Amala can’t wear her shirt right is actually a problem.
For real!! Ma'am, before you criticize women for being plus size fix ya damn shirt.
@Cheyenne Hayden, She can fix her shirt in 2.5 seconds, while it takes YEARS to fix obesity
Wait what’s wrong with her shirt
I can't tell you how much I hate that girl she needs to lose all of her damn platforms I've never seen a more bold token black person in my life
@@dogcheese5050 it’s ugly
I'm 21 and 180lbs right now. My largest was 250 and that was last year. I've done so much and worked harder than anyone and yet I'm still the fat girl.
I hate it when people feel superior just for an accident of genetics. People are so vain now.
I don't want to feel beautiful or like a goddess because I'm not the damn chosen one. I just want to be neutral and comfortable in my body/progress without being called a whale or miss piggy 🙁
YES FR
That's a lot of work, well done!!! People can be so awful- I hope you're still able to be proud of what you've accomplished
You're on the righy track, keep up the good work 👍
It takes time, but it's worth it at the end.
frfr! people get hung up on appearance and conclude that if someone is still overweight then they’re just not trying hard enough
@@notNajimi This is something I loathe a lot of the time. I can see why people would look at a fat person and not think that they're in the process of changing. Some of us just have to start from a heavier weight.
It sucks that someone's efforts to change are trumped by the fact that they are still in that process (not having hit their overall goal weight or still being overweight)
When I lost my dad when I was 12, I used food as a comfort. It filled the hole that I was feeling. It was horrible. I’ve worked hard to get all the weight I put on, and I feel great now. I still remember the first holiday season after my father death and his family seeing me and seeing the weight I had put on. They made comments. Somehow my weight was more important to them then the fact I had just lost my DAD. That Christmas, my paternal grandparents (I don’t speak to them anymore) bought me all clothes, all two sizes too small. I was 13. My mom looked like she was about to tear them apart. I don’t know how she held her tongue. She’s a saint.
Speaking as a healthcare worker, The ONLY criticism I have of body positivity is lying about science, which most people in the body positivity movement don't participate in. If you're 600lbs, you're (usually) at risk and i don't believe in lying about that. But that's your healthcare workers problem, not random people. If a person isn't your patient, SHUT UP!
And if you ARE a healthcare worker and the person in question IS your patient, you must remember that the problem isn't even the weight, its the secondary conditions that put the person at risk. If they don't have secondary conditions and they have normal blood pressure, normal heart health, normal everything, don't address their eating habits, activity levels etc. And if they are at risk, the goal is to help their heart, or whatever it is, NOT TO GET THEM TO LOSE WEIGHT! Weight loss may or may not happen when they improve their health, but its irrelevant. As long as your patient is healthy, their weight doesn't matter. Most importantly, if their condition has NOTHING TO DO WITH WEIGHT, don't talk about their weight!
Why shouldn't people feel beautiful? Why shouldn't people have access to equal healthcare? Why shouldn't overweight people be treated with respect and kindness instead of mocked? IF their health is at risk because of weight (BIG IF, because thats almost never the route of the problem) SHAMING IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO! I've seen patients turn away from healthcare time and time again because they are ashamed of something. It doesn't matter if it's a skin condition, a lack of rehab/homecare for an injury or anything else, self love is the answer, self love is what gets them in front of a doctor. Shame has no place in helping anyone with anything, especially not when it comes from random people who don't know what they're talking about.
So how should a healthcare professional talk about crippling back pain or diabetes without mentioning the weight? This is where these movements look silly and childish. I'm not suggesting anyone mock them in a medical setting, but to offer treatment without discussing the cause is poor practice, whether it's an allergy or a virus or carrying extra weight. Be happy, feel beautiful and when you see a doctor, expect a matter of fact, honest discussion about the causes of your symptoms and how best to reduce them.
I disagree with you here. Firstly, I believe fat people, of course, deserve respect and shouldn't be shamed in any circumstances especially in a doctor's office. However when you have a patient in your office for what ever reason and the patient is obese it is your absolute obligation to inquire about their activity levels/eating habits/weight gain/loss history etc. Why? Beacuse obesity is basically in itself a disease. If a person doesn't currently exhibit any, as you would say, secondary issues, the risk of them developing said issues in the future is higher than a person with healthy weight, especially if they stay obese or gain even more weight. E.g. you have a patient coming in for chest pain (or whatever) and you notice a suspicious looking mole on their skin, you wouldn't just not say anything about it/examine it just because that's not the reason why the patient came in. The same is with obesity. You can say what you will and I am all for accepting yourself as you are and loving yourself and being confident in your body but people can not simply deny basic science and medicine and cherry pick certain medical findings just to fit their narrative. Basically facts don't care about your feelings.
@@TheKim369 that's exactly what I'm saying. Type 2 diabetes is a secondary condition to eating habits and poor exercise habits, as is osteoarthritis of the knee or back pain due to the center of balance being changed from excess belly fat. So you address the poor eating habits and exercise habits and design a better routine/diet that addresses that and weight will most likely decrease with that. You can be totally forward about it too and you don't need to dance around the issue.
@@laryda I think we are on the exact same page. I can't stand the "health at every size" argument because it's not true. You can be 50lbs overweight and have ZERO health issues related to that. Zero high blood pressure, zero body pains, perfectly healthy, and I think that's the time that a healthcare worker needs to let that be, but if the patient is over 200-250 lbs, there's definitely going to be a secondary health condition that is caused by the poor eating habits and poor exercise habits, whether it's high blood pressure, heart issues, mobility limitations, osteoarthritis, back pain etc. When designing a healthcare plan for the patient in that case, the goal is to get rid of/treat the high blood pressure, back pain, type 2 diabetes, whatever and the treatment for that is definitely going to involve exercise and better eating habits. A natural consequence of that will be weight loss. For most patients, you can use a scale/weight loss program to hold your patient accountable for weight loss, but it's actually better in most situations to hold the patient accountable for the specific health issue that they have come in for like using the blood pressure cuff/insulin monitoring or measuring a reduction in anterior pelvic tilt (that's basically the cause of belly-fat induced back pain.) The result is the same, the patient will lose weight, but giving more emotionally sensitive patients accountability goals based on something other than weight can be more motivating.
@@lisapeesalemonsqueezah3241 Yes, I agree. Health at every size is a complete absurdity and blatant denial of crystal clear medical facts. What is more, it is utterly weighing down the fat accaptance movement and just making it less valuable and genuine. Were it not for that, I believe it would be much less ridiculed than it currently is.
Lmao when I say I’m fat and people are like “Omg no you’re so pretty”… I didn’t say I wasn’t?
They're probably trying to make you feel better by saying that considering fat people arent really pretty...
@@missemotional8710 Pretty is a completely subjective term. So uh… don’t really have shit to say about that, I guess.
I don't like the BMI thing either. I'm 5'2" and almost 180lbs. Medically I'm considered obese, but you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me. I look a little overweight, sure. But certainly not obese. Even at this weight, I've experienced fatphobia by a former doctor. I changed doctors because of it. Now that I'm pregnant, I'm worried how much I'll gain and scared I'll be shamed because of it.
i hope you've had a healthy pregnancy experience and sorry if i'm replying late and you didn't but yeah BMI is bullhonky and you sound like you're a size that would be ridiculous to criticize. if you gained, your body and baby needed it. i hope you have a good doctor now
5'2 and 180 is obese especially for a woman wdym
Friendly reminder that the M in BMI just means mass. Not fat specifically. Being obese means you are out of the body class norm doctors (though BMI was created by a mathmatician for literally just calculating how much human is on a human) arbitrarily setup going by average numbers of a small sample size group. It's barely health science at this point, it's just math.
@@groundzero1041 She spelled it out for you and your dumbass still couldn't see the point.
@@groundzero1041"especially for a woman" 💀 are you one of those people who believe women don't have muscles