Therapist Reacts: Paul & Morgan Saying Fatphobic Things
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Paul and Morgan are sharing more of their shaming and hateful views- this time with a side of fatphobia, transphobia, and homophobia. How fun. So let's et's talk about the inaccuracies and debunk some hateful garbage! Let me know what your thoughts and feelings are in those comments and leave some suggestions for what we should talk about next!
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Ah yes, my favorite commandment, “Thou Shalt Not Be Fat”
Doesn't it mention something about gluttony?
@@AliceRoche-ii2ke gluttony and being fat are not the same thing.
not all gluttonous people are fat, and not all fat people are gluttonous.
at the same time, gluttony isn't just a comment on food, but on wealth items as well. so when it comes to the biblical concept of gluttony, it's more talking about taking way more than you need, especially if you need that having it is some sort of status symbol, or if you taking it means that the needy can't have it.
@@katherinec4360that’s not really true, greed is when you want something more than you actually need
@@yara-um6tx gluttony
noun
glut·tony ˈglə-tə-nē ˈglət-
plural: gluttonies
1: excess in eating or drinking
2: **greedy** or excessive indulgence
@@yara-um6txclearly you don't know...
They prayed for “sensitivity” but are “going to be raw and bold” is christian-ese for “I’m going to be rude, offensive, and hateful but thinly sugar coat it with the lie that I care.”
This is the equivalent of British people saying "I mean, bless her, I love her to bits but..." before they viciously tear into someone. They just want to ease their own guilt or manipulate* those listening into thinking they are being reasonable before doing whatever they please.
@@compassionandhumility ~ or the: I dont mean to be offensive, but....... *whatever offensive thing they feel they have the right to say*
It really ticked me off when they said they "prayed to the lord" for "wisdom on this subject. What? Talk to a heccin doctor, they have the information. I am a religious person myself but it is really disturbing when people use religion to get out of any critical thinking. I pray to my deities to give me the answers and help I need for my health... but more of a prayer of helping me find the right doctors and professionals.
The only people who generally should be concerned about the health of your body is you, your family/friends if you prefer keeping them in the loop, and your doctors. It really ticks me off when these people talk about "being concerned about the weight/ obesity of people" it is NOT your business and the solution is NOT always dieting and exercise.
Because they're terrible people and they don't recognize it.
@@younce-davis952 that's because they don't believe doctors. Morgan has literally said that she knew someone that had a total hysterectomy and still gave birth to a child.
I asked my 9 year old what their views of the covers were and they said "they look beautiful, one of them is doing yoga, some are hanging out with their friends." To me, that should be the normal reaction, not that person is fat and shouldn't be on the cover because of Satan. Honestly, wtf.
That’s so sweet, aww 🥰 ❤
Such a sweet child!
I freaking love you.
We are completely glossing over the whole “thin people are automatically healthy “ fallacy
and the being fat is inherently bad fallacy too. As I've learned from the podcast maintenance phase, being fat isn't necessarily bad for everyone across the board. Older people benefit from having fat as it cushions otherwise bone breaking falls. Fat people are more likely to have heart attacks but they're also more likely to survive them as well. Its called the "obesity paradox" but its only paradoxical if we assume fat people cant also be healthy or that being fat cant be beneficial, which is the prevailing rhetoric towards fat in the body.
I’m thin and incredibly out of shape 🤣. I was so impressed with that Cosmopolitan cover. That woman rocks!
For real. I'm thin, always have been, and I have so many health problems slowly breaking my body it's disgusting. When I got diagnosed with leukemia, I was laying in my hospital bed and a nurse walked in, stopped dead in her tracks, and literally said to my face, "Oh my god. You're the absolutely healthiest looking sick person I've ever seen!" To this day I still don't know how to feel about that interaction. On one hand, it's always nice to get a compliment. But on the other hand, I'm lying there not even knowing if I'm getting out of there alive and my looks are the farthest thing from my mind.
It was strange, that's for sure. A big downside to it, though, is that even though I still look very nice (my modeling days are long over, though, that's for sure) it masks how garbage I feel literally every second of every day. Sure, I look fit and healthy, but you all missed the 5 straights years I spent puking my brains out first thing every morning. All this rambling to say, don't judge a person's health and how they feel physically just by looking at them; ask us how we feel and believe us when we tell you the truth.
@@ChristopherSadlowski I have lupus. No one took my illness seriously because I looked so healthy. I was too put together and looked too nice.
It took me really, really crying in my doctors office and saying I couldn’t live like this much longer because I hurt too much. I would literally crawl into my shower and sat on the floor so I could get to work, where no one took me seriously either. It took so long to get a diagnosis because people thought I “looked” healthy.
True. I lost 30 pounds last year from an antidepressant that caused appetite suppression. I was eating probably under 800 calories a day while working 8 hours in 100 degree heat lifting and walking all day. I was very thin, but I was absolutely not healthy. I would get faint all the time, I got sick every few weeks. I gained back 15 of those pounds through eating ENOUGH healthy food and lifting weights. I feel 100 times better.
So I'm an ICU nurse and COVID treatment coordinator: the issue is not with weight, really. It's about lifestyle choices. You don't have to be thin--just be healthy at whatever size you are.
Also, I developed orthorexia/anorexia athletica after using MyFitnessPal. I have body dysmorphia as well. I distinctly remember crying on the gym floor after working out for six hours straight because I couldn't burn the EXACT amount of calories I'd eaten that day. Diet culture is fucking dangerous. There are plenty of naturally skinny people that are horribly unhealthy. Weight is not a reflection of health--HEALTH is a reflection of health.
And don't even get me to STARTED on the Christian community and COVID denial. The need to shut their mouths.
Have you ever heard the joke, about the man sitting on the roof of his house during a flood?
I personally think it's a great example of what's wrong with Christian extremists.
there are plenty of naturally skinny people that are horribly unhealthy; i should know, i am one D:
This could not be more true! I was anorexic for 13 years.. The advice that they are giving is so harmful and is very similar to the "pro Ana" websites channels etc
So many people purposefully destroy their health in order to obtain their desired appearance
“We’re gonna be bold…!” AKA we’re gonna be openly fatphobic and generally ignorant.
Literally. It’s like when conservative talkshow hosts are like “we’re gonna say the things everyone else is too afraid to say!” it actually means “we’re gonna say a whole bunch of bullshit!”
@@mmellifluouss Because they really believe that everyone else thinks like they do and are just too afraid to say it. -_-;
That’ because these people hate minorities, and have the need to believe that they are a secret majority, otherwise, they would suffer the existential crisis of realizing that their mindset of cruelty and oppression is dying out,
@@cobblegen1204 I came from a very conservative, Southern Baptist family and can confirm. I would say though, rather than them being a secret majority, they like to be openly “oppressed” / a dying majority. “Christianity is dying out, and we’re being persecuted, no one wants to listen to us!” -_- Hmm yeah I wonder why. 🗿
I’m fat and I love celery dearly. 🥳
“Someone’s comfort food might be fucking celery, Morgan”
I don’t like celery but I love this quote.
I could see people enjoying the crunch, though.
@@rabbit__ I do enjoy the crunch that celery provides. Not usually as comfort food, but that's cause I am lazy 🤣🤣🤣
That was my favorite part
I’m severely allergic to celery but I stand behind the quote!!!
As someone whos comfort food is any fresh fruit I feel seen
I'm underweight. I'm unfit. I'm depressed and have ADHD so routine is like hard to keep up. If it is I did not have a fast metabolism and had a bigger appetite I'd easily be overweight and the last thing I want at either weight is commentary on my body. People like Paul and Morgan are major douches with a chip on their shoulders who love to look with critical eyes at others but do not afford themselves that level of scorn and criticism.
My bf has the same issue with a fast metabolism and I have the same issue with mental illness. We were both chronically underweight in high school. I literally believed I didn't need to eat in high school. I am being treated now but having a routine is really hard. I want to start going back to the gym for core strength training and 15 minute cardio and weekly kendo practice but it is hard. My therapist recommended 10 minute morning yoga to help with exercise and meditation-- there are several you tube channels that have stuff like that. It is best to have a schedule even if it is like once a week or less than to not have a schedule at all.
If one of those bastards had the audacity to fat shame me at my current weight I would actually tell them to shut the eff up and never talk to me again. I am usually not a course person but that would set me off.
@@younce-davis952 EXACTLY! It's so so so unspeakably frustrating when you try to get better for your well being and people want to still say something to knock you down. Like genuinely I'd rather be bigger and actually healthy instead of how I am now with feeling like my ribs are getting crushed if I lay on my sides and having fatigue 24/7. IDC what people really have to say on the matter and I too will snap if I hear one more comment on my body.
ADHD club! Metabolism with ADHD is a PITA, I find myself often overeating because my body doesn’t tell me when it’s full.
@@TransGuyOnTheFly Ah yes. Good old interoception of course. :P
this was me before my thyroid broke from alle the goddamn stress. Now the number on my scale is a bit bigger, but so what? I’m actually more active and have better eating habits, but people look at me like I’ve gotten “unhealthier” anyway. I’m literally not and my doctor agrees
Ways to fight obesity:
1.) Fighting to end food deserts.
2.) Funding public schools to offer better gym/health education.
3.) Fighting the stigma around fatness.
How NOT to fight obesity:
1.) Be an asshole while using "caring" about your health as an excuse.
👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Also better access to healthier foods in general, without the cost. There's a reason why people in lower impoverished places also tend have higher obesity rates. Why spend at an expense whole foods, when McDonald's has $1.00 cheese burgers, or a whole family meal for a few more extra dollars.
Compared to like $50ish dollars gathering all the ingredients to make a home cooked meal. This is were you get people rationing food, or getting cheap, but very unhealthy stuff, but it's literally all they can afford. Hell soda (2liter for 1 dollar) is sometimes cheaper than water.... This is from personal experience from someone close and we had to work hard to break that habit. That's the spiral that people tend to ignore, and coming from such a community, you see it all the time, and it goes with level of generational trauma.
Also better access to mental health care because everyone's relationship to food is different
Also, quit making kids competitive sports so damn expensive. We’re fortunate that we can do that for our kids which keeps them busy & healthy and they love it, but seriously more kids should have access to them.
Thank you! so much of fatphobia and the diet industry is invested in stigmatizing the food poor people have access to. It's so invested in blaming the individual and not the intersecting barriers the individual is experiencing. Theres so much classism, elitism, ablism, xenophobia, sexism and racism in the industry of fatphobia.
After I was diagnosed with cancer and on my second surgery I had one family member tell me that this was why I "needed to eat my vegetables" and another family member tell me that "even people who don't deserve it and do all the right things and eat healthy still get cancer, so you just never know". I couldn't believe that this was their "supportive" response to me having cancer. Ironically it was thyroid cancer which had contributed, unbeknownst to me, to my weight in the first place. It was as if to them, because I was so irresponsible to let myself be fat that I had somehow deserved/earned the cancer, eventhough my weight in no way caused my cancer (likely the other way around). Nothing like heaping on fat shame when you're worried about dying of cancer!
First of all, hope you're doing better now! Secondly, what the hell is wrong with those people, hope you don't have to spend too much time around them or any at all. And third - what in their eyes constitutes "deserving cancer"?? Like, what subset of cancer patients deserves it?
Omg, how horrible. Sorry you have to deal with these people. Hope you're better!
@xLiLlyx98 thank you ❤️ it's weird and also wonderful that strangers can show more love and compassion then one's own family ❤️ after lots of therapy I've slowly ended almost all of my family relationships, which is a deep pain all in itself, but atleast I'm no longer surrounding myself with judgement and cruelty
@@julierock3 yeah it's kinda sad but also goes to show how random the "blood ties" we have are. And that you really don't owe anything to the people you're related if they don't treat you right. Sounds like a very hard thing to go through but I believe you made the right decision, so good on you and good luck with maintaining it 🙂
"you cant catch fatness" but these two goons can catch these hands
Omg is that a Fundie Fridays reference
at first no, but now yes XD @@alim.9801
Everytime I see Paul and Morgan I feel like I'm watching 2 high schoolers. Like they fell asleep in their classes and are now struggling to convince their teachers that they were listening to the lessons by making up shit.
Their immaturity is astounishing
Junior high schoolers
This is such an accurate description holy shit
😂😂😂😂
Lol, It's giving "I didn't read the book" flavor of book report
Another incredible point they have COMPLETELY MISSED is that the whole article is literally about being fit/active/exercising! Like these aren’t large woman talking about eating whatever they want (not that there’s anything inherently wrong with that!), it’s literally encouraging people of all sizes to work out - ie making them more fit and more healthy!
honestly i doubt they even read the whole article 😭
@@emsiekee I came here to say the same thing lol.
but also exercise doesn't make everyone "fit", as in skinnier or the result of weightloss. You can exercise and still weigh 150lbs+ and thats ok. exercise not resulting in a thinner body shouldn't discourage regular exercise because not getting skinner doesn't mean exercise isn't worth doing. Some bodies are just naturally inclined to be bigger and there may be nothing you can do about that but no one's body is naturally inclined to have lower cholesterol levels, a healthy resting heart rate, lower blood pressure, which are worth exercising for on their own and are things you can take control of.
What do you mean, "Read the f***ing article!?" There's a fat woman on the cover, and fat is bad, so the article is bad!
I honestly can't stand people like this 🙄 They have absolutely no sense of logic or how to have a polite conversation and just go off on their own biased, kneejerk reaction, which is, "If you don't look like me at my size, you're obviously not trying hard enough" even though they likely have a genetic advantage that not everyone has.
Oh, and the woman on the cover is absolutely gorgeous and shouldn't be shamed for her size. Wanted to throw that in, too 😊
@@elleofhearts8471 oh yeah, totally. I think in a lot of places around the world, the definition of fit (or the equivalent in other languages) actually incorporates those things - getting fitter can mean anything from improving your relationship with exercise to lowering your resting heart rate or increasing your lung capacity, to getting better at a specific type of movement. Weight is a *very* small aspect of fitness and I think one of the worst things about these types of people is that they gatekeep fitness and make people with bodies outside of their narrow stereotype feel like they can’t be fit. Not true and super super harmful.
Fun fact! As a person with narcolepsy, my somnologist has explicitly told me that honoring my tiredness cues and taking naps when I feel I need them is not "excess sleep", it's taking what my body needs!
As someone with health issues that cause a crap ton of fatigue I feel this!!!! Our bodies clearly need it so why the heck would we ignore that?! ❤️❤️❤️
Fatphobia hurts everyone. As a young girl I got so many compliments on being small and malnourished that I thought it was a good thing. I developed an eating disorder and I didn't even realize it until it spiraled out of control. It happened so slowly, starting from a very young age. Maybe if people didn't constantly compliment malnourishment I wouldn't have suffered so much. I also had several misdiagnosis that I now realize were direct results of my ED.
‘I’m not saying a tiny little supermodel should be on the magazine’, I am positive that if there was a magazine with a model with that exact body type on the cover, these two wouldn’t bat an eyelid. They absolutely wouldn’t care.
There are many covers that exactly fit that description. The problem is that we are used to looking at tiny models and do not perceive them as being underweight. We only recognize it when they are cachectic.
Victoria secret supermodels were literally encouraged to use cocaine and a ton of other incredibly unhealthy methods to keep their “healthy” and “desirable” figures. But no one even considered that as a possibility because they looked good.
Exactly. They didn't make a video talking about the sickly thin models.
Also, the obsession with health is incredibly ableist. Why does someone HAVE to be healthy in order to be respected? Really odd.
Fat people aren’t disabled, they’re fat.
they bring it up in a short quip, but people who are thin bc of unhealthy reasons (eating disorders, drug use etc.) are on magazines all the time & they never have a goddamn thing to say about those. it's so clearly not about health, it's embarrassing.
Exactly
This is the problem with the "my body is a temple" mentality. When others "aren't respecting their temple" you don't feel the need to respect them, when it's really non of your business.
I also want to throw in that you don't really know on sight, healthy does take many shapes, and that I have literally heard a few fights in church end with some form of, "you don't even respect yourself, much less God." So I'm not just saying that out of some thought experiment. I've seen it.
@@lynn4840 Preach 👏🏼💗
“people of privilege talking about minority struggles as if they’re thought experiments” is literally paul and morgan’s brand, ngl
Thank you! I am a fat woman as well, and it is infuriating to see these people always talk about fat people "glorifying obesity" when all we're doing is just existing.
Yesss! Also it‘s not even „promoting obesity“, nobody says: „become fat!“ it‘s literally just showing people existing as they are and not shaming them like everybody else does.
"Refuse to make space for lived experiences that don't mirror their own" pretty sums up not only Paul and Morgan, but Girl Defined as well.
"Why is our self-esteem placed higher than our self sacrifice for the father" the absolute wtf face I made at that line
Their version of God is like an abusive father. You're supposed to obey him unquestioningly and never feel good enough. Literally.
I'm Christian & I have no idea what they are talking about either.
Such weird daddy issues on display. Such cringe.
@@TheNationalfilmbored 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I gagged. Lol
There’s a wonderful creator I follow that said “Fat people aren’t seen as fat people but as potentially skinny people”, and as I watch this video I just keep thinking about how unfortunately true it is.
I'm trying to remember, is that Sara from The Costume Codex? I think it was, though it's possible she was quoting someone else too - either way, it's a very poignant point!
(And if it is from the same video I'm thinking about, where Sara was adding to Abi Thorn from Philosophy Tube's Food, Beauty, Mind video, this video also made me think of that one in the way that Paul and Morgan just haaad to bring in the transphobia with the fatphobia! It really does seem accurate that the oppression fat people and trans people face really do rhyme in a lot of ways, and this video was a great example of that.)
@@stephaniel2850 yes that’s her!
@@stephaniel2850 oooo lol
We’re seen as lazy and eating too much. When many of us workout and eat healthy
Oh my god. That’s a deep cut
I love seeing the human side of Mickey :) I am not a fat person, but I have struggled with body image issues my entire life. My mother works in medical weight loss, and she instilled a lot of fat phobia in me when I was younger. Your last few videos have really helped me to educate myself and makes me less likely to unintentionally harm someone in the future with my words or actions
Thank you so much for engaging with this stuff so you can be an ally (and hopefully heal yourself, too! You deserve not to live in fear of your body.)
I am also really glad to see Mickey covering this topic for this reason! Not that my mother instilled it in me but society did, and even though I've had a lot of fat people in my life that I care very deeply for, I still didn't understand how systemic the struggles fat people face are. I had no clue about doctors offices (even though my friend never went to one, I never understood why), never even thought about all the ways in which this world is built for straight size people, because, well, things were always made to accommodate my general size. Not just in clothes and shoes and towels and stuff like that, but things like chairs, bus seats, doorways, etc.. I am only now realizing how much I do not know but I am grateful that I can be learning from someone as compassionate and good at explaining and educating me as Mickey. I also just love seeing the human side of Mickey in general as well, hearing her tea pot noises and "banana pancakes" is just the best and it always feels like the perfect response to the BS she is reacting to lol
God made Morgan sterile because he hates her lmao
@@benjaminjohnson6118 I have disdain towards her too but that’s a cruel joke.
@@lindaschreifels9889 its not a joke. Morgan and Paul are toxic as they come and would be typical abusive fundamentalist parents at the very best.
I really like the point you made about emotional eating. I’m a thin/tall person which is 90% genetics and I’ve always felt bad about emotional eating, but only when it’s fast food or ice cream. But your comment made me realize that I also eat emotionally when I go out and celebrate a friend’s birthday or accomplishment and eat at a nice restaurant! Or even when I travel or go out on date nights. Food and emotions, include positive ones are definitely intertwined!
When I was 12 my MD told me I was overweight and I needed to go on Paleo and Keto diets. Meanwhile I was super fit at that time and I looked really healthy and I felt super comfortable in my body. It was so confusing to literally be called fat and unhealthy by a doctor as a healthy 12 year old, BMI’s are total crap.
Dude yessss my boss’s 18 yr old son was told this same thing by his doctor at his last physical and he too is literally like very much “in shape” and active and so healthy, it’s insane!!!
Omggg same, I wasted years of my life on multiple eating disorders after my doctor wouldn‘t stop talking and talking about how I needed to loose weight when I was 11 years old because I was ‚overweight‘. Fun fact: I was born ‚overweight’. So yeah I hope karma fucks that dude up.
My ADHD comes with a dose of disordered eating. I forget to eat. I get hyper focused and skip meals. Sometimes executive dysfunction sets in and even though I am hungry, I dont go and make food. I also have issues with textures in food, especially in fruit and veg. The result is me often getting a bit on the thin side. But nobody seems to care that much about that because I am thin. Except my mum... I bet there are LITERALLY MILLIONS of fat people out in the world who are WAY more healthy then I am.
Yeah the ADHD disordered eating is reeeeeal
Oh that's a huge thing, I've had days where I forget to take adderall and am sucked into watching videos or playing a game and I look up and it's 4:45pm and all I put in my body that day was an ensure shake and a couple sips of water. I'm on the muscular slim side, like I'm not big by any means but I've got meat on me, but my partner who also had ADHD has the same issue of forgetting to eat often but they're fat, and I feel like people would take me at my word about forgetting to eat but look at them like they're lying because of the assumption that "oh if you aren't eating a lot you're thin"
When I started my career, I was going hardcore and eating A&W. I got so thin and sickly because that’s all I ate. Once a day. Usually when I started shaking and realized “holy shit my blood sugar is 0” and popped off on a burger and fries.
This is Canadian A&W too. Those burgers are miraculous.
A&W -> awesome and wonderful
Yes. I also have ADHD, and will sometimes forget to eat until my husband asks what I want for dinner and I think back and think "crap I haven't ate today" and I am fat..labeled 'Class 2 Obesity'
Omg listen listen listen I forget to eat sometimes too! I hyper focus on a thing and I absolutely cannot get away from the thing until I finish it. So yeah I forget to sleep and shower sometimes too it’s gr8
First of all, health does not = morality
Also,
As far as I can tell, the whole point of the cosmo article is that these women are living healthy, active lifestyles and they all have different bodies types. If eating well and doing yoga isn't a 'healthy lifestyle', what is?
What's your argument P&M? What do you want people to do?
I guess they just think these people are lying about their habits? I don't know.
It’s almost as if P&M didn’t read the article…maybe they just looked at the cover…and made assumptions. 😐
They probably want them to get surgery to look "normal".
They probably didn't read it - most people spewing shit about it didn't and there was few that was confronted about it, went to read it and apologized later.
They want everyone to be just like them - born-again Christian, straight, thin, married, you name it. Mickey was talking about how she knows religious people who are not like Paul and Morgan, and asking what's the difference between Paul and Morgan and the nice Christians that she knows. The difference is a fundamentalist mind-set. I say this as a person who was a fundamentalist Christian for 22 years, and have been deconstructing for the last 8. People with fundamentalist personalities/mindsets/whatever you want to call it - they need everybody else to be just like them. It's like if you don't live your life the way they do - be that religion, diet, sport, sexuality - they take that as a criticism or rejection of their choices. Even as an ex-Christian now, I still have to learn to fight against the fundamentalist mindset; like not needing someone to agree with me about absolutely everything for me to accept or respect them.
I started gaining weight because of knee pain and swelling. I went to multiple doctors and was told to exercise. I was told to eat less and lose weight. My knee continued to get worse and was finally diagnosed with a torn maniscus. These doctors made me feel lazy for my weight and refused to actually diagnose my medical problem. I now have arthritis due to the lack of care I was given because it was all a weight issue.
I hate this practice of telling patients with joint issues to lose weight before the doctor can address the joint issues.
My mother started in on me at age 9, right about the age I started menstruating. She had a thin mother who made her feel shame for being fat and, by damn, she wasn't gonna let me feel ashamed of being fat. So she put me on Weight Watchers...at 9 years of age!
My whole family (mom, dad, paternal grandma, aunt, & uncle) joined Weight Watchers, which was unrecognizable compared to how it is today. I don't really know all that's entailed in doing Weight Watchers today, but back then, you went to an actual storefront (with a big sign 😝) and had an in-person meeting. There was a very public weigh in, where you're weight was written down. It was publically announced what ever weight change you had had that week. Then you went into the big meeting room to listen to what was supposed to be a motivational talk from a paid member who had reached their goal weight (don't get me started on goal weight). My family took up a whole corner of the room, with me on the front row.
My food intake was strictly monitored and I was shamed at home if I ate something that wasn't "legal". You didn't get points so as to get choices back then either. It was the plan or nothing. By age 11, my weight hadn't changed but I had "grown into my goal weight." Lucky me, now I was on maintenance!
I'm convinced that, had my mother left me alone, my natural puberty weight gain would have gone away naturally and I would not be the fat person that I have struggled with my whole life. I'm 57 now, and around age 50 or so, I decided f*ck it, I am the way I am. I was making myself both physically and mentally ill trying to be something I'm not. My weight hasn't varied more than 5 lbs up or down since then. As long as I don't let my mom get on my nerves about it, I'm pretty happy with my body and the way I look. All things considered, I'm pretty healthy, too. No high blood pressure or diabetes or heart disease. So, yeah, f*ck diets! I have better things to do than weigh me and everything I eat all the time.
❤❤❤ thank you for sharing your story ❤❤❤. You're an inspiration.
Those public weigh-ins sound like my nightmare. It's hard enough for me to even step on a scale alone/silently.
@@didograce3531 They were. They did bad things to my self-esteem, I'll tell you that. They made it so that I could choke down the lunches my mom gave to take to school, though. It felt like, "This can of tuna is disgusting, and this can of spinach tastes so bad, but I don't want everybody to hear I gained a pound, do I'll eat it."
Can you believe that? A can of tuna and one of those single-serving size cans of spinach for a child's school lunch. I had to have a teacher help open them for me, no pull tabs on food cans back then. To this day, I can't stand even the idea of eating either one.
I would eat where my food was as hidden from the other kids as possible. Being teased or having a public weigh-in, I'm not sure which was worse. It really is a wonder I never had an eating disorder.
@@I_am_Irisarc I'm so sorry. You deserved better.
@@didograce3531 Thankfully, WW doesn't do that anymore, or at least as recently as 2018 when I joined. I do weigh in at the studio, but only myself and the receptionist know what my weight for the week is, unless I choose to share it with others
My father suggested I do the “write down everything that goes into your mouth” diet route. He quickly dropped the subject when I asked if that included when I gave my husband a little “treat” 🤣
tell'm girl!
...I've actually seen semen as community submitted "foods" on calories tracker apps. If your husband is a horse, maybe you might want to write it down as a treat for him and for you. ;P
I have a couple friends that are laboratory technicians. They told me amount of calories (and protein, etc cause I’m vegan and we were laughing about my obvious protein deficiency and possible solutions) in semen is negligible.
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Lmaooo
They also clearly didn't read the article, because Jessamyn is one of the most fit people I've ever followed. She's so inspiring as a fat person who is incredibly flexible and strong - she makes me feel like I can get strong without needing to engage with diet culture and it's empowering me to be healthier in a way Paul and Morgan will never understand.
Yeah, I'd like to see either Morgan or Paul try that pose that Jessamyn did. Only consolation is that we know these people are so incredibly miserable inside, fitting punishment for these people that verbally harm other people
@@progressivedragon6664 IKR? I'm a "normal" weight and have been my whole life, but if I tried that pose, I'd probably wind up in the hospital. She's WAY stronger and more flexible than I am.
I'm trying to find Jessamyn's Insta. Could someone let me know it? I've been looking for someone to follow for exercise tips who is closer to my body type. Mickey might mention it later in the video, but I'm impatient!
@@Arosukir6 @theunderbellyyoga for her yoga stuff and @mynameisjessamyn for life stuff
It's one thing to say talk about the difficulties of being obese, it's another thing entirely to make the argument that obesity in any circumstance is health neutral or fails to have significant health negatives.
When I think health experts, I think Paul and Morgan. Thank goodness they weighed in on this issue. Pun intended.
especially mental health.They truly love themselves and others! I am glad that they never shame anybody and follow the sermon on the mount... the life of Brian version.
Yeah my BMI says I’m overweight and I’m seen in this society as skinny. It’s very confusing.
My BMI says I'm "Obese"
I work out to be healthy and strong, and was trying to drop a few pounds , specifically to help with my chronic heartburn, I gained muscle and instead of "overweight" I'm "obese"
I exercise daily- which helps my back not hurt, good for my cardiovascular health, and helps with my anxiety and adhd....
Like just because you exercise doesn't mean it has to be to lose weight, exercise should be something you can do with the resources you have and not a punishment. If you can't walk for long periods because of an injury or disability, then your exercise can be moving your arms or lifting you legs while you sit- if you can-just whatever you can do and NOT HURT YOURSELF, the purpose should be to improve your health, mentally or physically.
Frankly, I still struggle trying to make sure I don't let the fatphobia get to me and it's sooooo hard.
BMI is some bullshit. The scale they use was collected from a sample of white men in the 1950s. So 1 - it’s not super accurate for people who aren’t white men (for example, there have been many studies that show people of African decent tend to have higher muscle percentages that would make their BMI “higher” but not impact their health); and 2 - It’s not super accurate for people born after the 1950s (which is most people alive today. People on average are a lot healthier and have access to higher quality foods than in the past. This has caused people in most parts of the world to be both larger and taller (getting a much more nutritious diet basically from birth)
AND! That doesn’t even account for the fact that having excess fat doesn’t necessarily mean your health is going to be impacted. Women have lower rates of heart disease because our fat tends to distribute more evenly around the body (having a lot of belly fat makes you more at risk for heart disease), and people who are fat are usually only likely to become diabetic if they are genetically predisposed to the disease - which isn’t everyone.
bmi is such a headwreck. Everything below 20 is unhealthy and causes infertility (unless, sometimes, if that's your set point) but the fact that 18.5 is green on the chart just sits in the head of millions of people with a BMI of 20 and makes them diet, which, in 95% of people, causes them to gradually increase their set point and put on weight over the years
BMI is bullshit. You can look down on yourself to figure out whether you're fat.
My great grandpa was MIA for 60 something days in enemy territory during world war II. He came back weighing about 95 lb as a man who is 5'7. He was part of the BMI study, he was forced to eat double doses of rations and ice cream before he got to 125 lb, which was deemed healthy for some reason, before he was allowed to go home. I have been medically obese since the age of 11. I work out consistently, I move consistently, I eat a healthy amount for my body, I drink water, I take my meds, I take care of my body and my mental health. I am healthy, but by medical standards, I am not. That's why we need to dismantle the weaponization of the medical system and BMI as a whole.
As a trans person, I totally feel you on people weighing in on your life, ignoring your personal experiences and deciding (without knowing you) what is best for you.
I definitely have not treated fat or large folks with the respect they deserve and I think a lot of it came from how society treats you but definitely a lot of it came from my mother and how she talked about my weight and body. My aunties and mother would absolutely mentally torment me because (although I was definitely within the average weight for a teen at the time) I had a bit of a stomach and it was enough for them to bully me into submission because to them, being fat is the worst thing you can be. It took so long to unpack and stop myself from listening to them.
Paul calling the woman in the article “obese” when she’s just an xl is hilarious to me
Like that guy ranting about a lignerie show "promoting fatness" because most of the models were L or XL size...
Is it sad that I have had doctors tell me that I as a "L-XL" (size 14 women range, but decently tall. ) was considered obese? So have guys like Paul with this mentality is not that shocking.
Years ago I was given a pamphlet that showed my "ideal" weight range and it was like 140.... I still remember that number and I don't think I can reach that weight.
@@DreamwithintheHeart Well, I'm rather short L-XL woman and I'm not even classified as overweight let alone obese by BMI. My doctors never even mentioned my shape or weight so I think yours were just oversensitive on that topic.
The woman on the cover (wearing white) does not wear a size XL.
@@D_Parks How do you know? Did you ask all of them?
Here we again lol
also I love how they keep covering each other up with screencaps ala Mike Wazowski
I named my SimCity Jenniniteville
You ladies do the Lord's work lol love you both
DREAM TEAM
Thank you Jen for letting me know about Mickey because I adore her videos- I adore your videos- I adore both of your videos!
The way society places weight as the end-all-be-all of health makes me so mad! When I was at the doctor's office a few months ago, a woman sitting beside me was talking to her friend about how stressful her life had been in recent months and revealed that she had lost almost ten pounds because of it. Her friend's immediate reaction was "good for you!", as if that made the stress worth it...
Yes, I’ve seen and even experienced this sort of thing and it’s horrible. I wasn’t happy to be thinner, I was ill.
I am perpetually stressed and underweight. I feel like shiiiiiiit
I’m pretty sure that chronic stress is a killer among mental states. Likely moreso than any weight related conditions.
Exactly. I got typhoid last yr and lost a lot of weight and the same people who had been telling me all year that I was getting fatter started to get concerned I was looking thinner. Like which do u want, Auntie Dorcas?!
Same. It is very hard for me to gain weight and when I‘m stressed I lose even more. And guess what? I don‘t have any fucking energy and feel like shit aaaaall the time if my weight gets too low. A good thing for me to keep my weight at the higher end of my weight range is exercise. Working out gets nearly impossible though when you barely have enough energy to get up a couple of stairs. I hate when people comment on my weight. My parents started to get better at leaving me alone but they used to tell me I was too skinny or getting too fat almost every time I saw them. The line between the too skinny and too fat comments was like 4 kg. Insane. Just teach people how to be healthy (e.g. having fun moving your body and eat balanced and healthy without restricting yourself) without focusing on weight. It’s not that hard.
I’m about halfway through this video and can’t take anymore. Being fat, nonbinary, and also having a recent history of an eating disorder, I can’t handle their hatred. I just wanted to thank you for continuing to shed light on fatphobia; your emotional labor means so much 🖤✨
I hope you're doing better now.
I want to thank you for this video, Mickey. As a thin and straight-sized person, it's opened me up to a new way of thinking about these kind of issues, while highlighting some of my own hurtful thought patterns and behaviors that I have directed towards non-straight sized and thin individuals. Thank you for your content and for helping me move about the world in a more mindful way.
holy shit, you really just laid out everything I ever needed to hear about my body, my weight cycling, how exactly I developed my eating disorders, all the shame I've felt my entire life for my weight, how much I eat, IF I eat... I feel so much more free after watching this video. I can't even begin to explain how I've healed just watching this video and listening to you validate things that I've been gaslit about and shamed for my entire life. Thank you. ❤️
I would HATE to be Morgan…I struggle severely with my body image but my boyfriend has been so loving and supportive and kind toward every stage me and body have gone through. Does Morgan not have anxiety thinking of potentially gaining weight (because it’s normal!) in the future?? There’s no way their marriage is healthy…not just bc of this but for so many reasons
I mean probably but I think in a situation like p and m, the whole perspective on life for people like them, it’s completely different from arguably typical people like you and me. The whole idea of just deviating from the husband’s interpretation of scripture is not just a “off day” but it’s automatically complete failure. They are told to stop behaving with their “own urgency” and just act as God commands. It’s a all or non thing.
Also I imagine he would start organizing her food deprivation. Like just telling her “no wine For you tonight” “hey I got the chicken sandwich for me and I got a salad for you”
She barfed at her own wedding
What should we expect?
Curious to know who realised she suddenly gained weight and encouraged her to record her food intake? Surely in was her right?! He wouldn’t encourage her?? What!!
None of these “honest” people take a person’s whole health into account. Weight is such a unreliable indicator of health. I was my thinnest when I had just got over c-diff and was suffering from years of undiagnosed celiac disease. My collar bones jutted out. I looked so pale. I felt awful. My mental and physical health was in shambles. Weight doesn’t indicate health. It’s a single part of a person’s whole identity. You wouldn’t reduce someone to a single one of their traits, why do they think they get a pass when it comes to bullying people on their weight?? Ugh. The literal worst.
I was at my thinnest when I experienced short term food insecurity. Everyone thought I was sick or on drugs. I didn't have a disease, but I also didn't have any vitality. My skin and hair was dull, my nails kept breaking, I had no energy at all. And more than that, I wasn't happy. I eat well now, like gourmet awesome food. I don't worry about the impact on my waistline. When that model said "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" I think she was confusing skinny with self-worth, because skinny feels like hot garbage.
I had undiagnosed celiac for a long time also and mine made me gain weight so I lost about 20 pounds in 4 weeks after going gluten free. Got down to 97 pounds. Was I thinner, of course! Was I healthy? No. My GI doctor wanted me to gain weight. I’m now 107 pounds. I want to gain more in the way of muscle, but I put my weight lifting on the back burner to focus on my gut health for a few months. It’s improved a lot. I lost some muscle tone but the number on the scale doesn’t reflect in any way how much better I feel. Glad you’re doing better!!
@@rachelk4805 I'm so sorry you had to go through that. It must have been so frustrating to deal with people's incorrect judgements on top of that. I wish more people would stop equating thinness with happiness because it is sooo not it.
@@maryssa8593 It's interesting to hear you had the opposite experience. I know lots of celiacs have different kinds of negative reactions, but I haven't met a lot of people who gained weight from it. Gut health is so important and so complicated and it's absolutely not something you can determine from someone's weight. If only these people who cared so much about learning about thinness cared as much about learning about the microbiome and nutrition. Because they'd learn weight isn't a reliable indicator of that. But I'm happy to hear you're doing better now. I hope both of us keep moving forward in our gut health journey!
weight doesn't indicate health in and of itself, nor is it the most defining factor of health. But it certainly can indicate
"the weight gain that i experienced in my early 20s was a direct result of healing my e.d. and no longer participating in aggressive restriction" MICKEY - YEESSS! i seriously relate and feel so seen rn, thank you! 🥺❤️
When you said that fatphobia comes thin people are refusing to hold space for lived experiences that don't mirror your own, that struck me as so so true. I think this touches on a lack of empathy that is seen in many aspects of the Fundie community (and with conservatives in general). It's so dangerous and so sad.
Paul and Morgan: *says bs for 40 minutes straight*
Mickey: you’re done…YOU’RE done
"If anyone tries to give you nutrition advise because they're a 'weight specialist dude', RUN AWAY. Run so far and then take a nice rest because your body deserves to rest and you deserve to listen to your body intuitively." LMFAO
I have narcolepsy and before I was diagnosed I was told I was lazy and the fact that I fall asleep during the day was one of the seven deadly sins, sloth. I was literally told by once trusted religious people that I was doing the devils work by falling asleep. I felt so ashamed, I didn't seek help which was very dangerous. Now I know it's just a medical condition and there are ways I can take care of myself to stay safe. Thanks for another cathartic video ❤️🤗
My birth mom has narcolepsy. That's a difficult thing to go through. I hope you're managing alright. I used to feel bad taking naps but mine is from depression and ptsd as far as i can tell.
Either way everyone deserves a nap if thet need it. Not everyone is designed to sleep 8+ hours at once.
@@saltydinonuggies1841 Tbh it's taking deep therapy work to unlearn a lot. I'm doing much better now. I have a schedule that works pretty well for me. I have set times during the day where I rest which helps me not fall asleep quite as often. I've even got people in my life that will ask to make plans and if I tell them it's during one of my normally scheduled nap times, they are willing to plan around it and I don't feel pressure or shame. And I totally agree, we all need different amounts of sleep and that can change based on our circumstances. I hope you feel like you have the support you need to heal. You deserve to feel safe and happy.
As messed up as it is, the idea that they considered sleeping during the day “the devil’s work” is hilariously stupid.
That sounds like you were spiritually abused. I'm sorry, and I hope you're doing well on your healing journey.
@@chatnoir9038 thanks. Yes. It was terrible. I'm doing much better now. I've been in trauma recovery for a while ❤️
Watching this video was cathartic. I'm really tired of hearing the fat = unhealthy argument, full stop - but going a step further, I'm really tired of hearing the unhealthy = bad, argument. I've got a lot of chronic health issues, I've had them since I was a kid, and goddamn the amount of abelism, both implicit and explicit, that I've experienced is just... it's a lot. And maybe if we could just ditch the whole unhealthy = shameful mentality altogether, that'd be nice, you know? I've been underweight and overweight because of my chronic health issues. When underweight I was complimented and taken more seriously for the issues I had. When overweight I'm dismissed and the culture at large pushes shame at me, and everyone else. Like, as you said actual research doesn't support the fat = unhealthy narrative, but even if someone is unhealthy and fat? That doesn't make them any less valuable or deserving of love and respect! It should be a non issue. Health or appearance shouldn't diminish anyone's personhood. I'll get off my soapbox now, just had to get that off my chest. Thank you for the video. I see you as a fellow human. I'm mad too.
I've been through the EXACT same thing! I have several chronic illnesses, and have been treated the same way (especially in the medical world). Took me years to get proper diagnoses because I am "overweight". I wonder if a lot of this unhealthy=bad mindset comes from the whole "if you're sick you have a demon" ideology from (a) thousand(s of) years ago? :/
I'm there with you.
Fucking BINGO!
Same! If u like podcasts, I reccomend Matinence Phase. It helped me so much in breaking down all the body issues I was taught as a fat person ❤
THANK YOU.
Similar experience. I've had joint issues since I was ten. Drs thought it was weird then but didn't really look into beyond giving physical therapy. Now that I'm over weight and approaching 40? It's just "normal" I'm in extreme pain everyday. I'm convinced I have an autoimmune disease, but I missed my chance for a doctor to take me seriously when I was thin and young. Now they just say to exercise and lose weight. Even though it's painful to move my body. They only want to treat my prediabetes and high blood pressure. Literally not concerned about anything else, like how it's hard to eat right when I'm allergic to most fruits and vegetables rip my stomach apart. Oh, and I'm a woman, so that doesn't help.
ive never understood how sleep is somehow seen as a moral issue
people are literally genetically predisposed to need different amounts of sleep, and this can be further diversified by mental illness/neurodivergence, profession (ie how much mental and/or physical labor you do in a day), chronic illness, etc.
The average range is 6-8 hrs for adults. But some people /literally do/ need 9 or 10hrs of sleep to feel rested. I'm one of them. I used to have so much self loathing around sleeping late or oversleeping because I thought it made me lazy. It's ridiculous. I'm not beating myself up because, for example, I think the amount of oxygen I breath makes me greedy? It's the same with sleep. It's something I need to show up as a functional, healthy, attentive person and I'm not "lazy" or "in excess" because of what my body needs.
Same for me. I need at least 9. My grandma used to give me sooooo much shit for it. Thankfully I have learned to accept how much sleep I need and I am not ashamed of it. These people need to gtfo of here.
I was a solid 8.5 hr sleeper....until having a kid. I have adjusted to 5-7 hrs now, but it has been a rough road. More sleep= more energy, better mood, more patience for my kid, quicker thought process, etc.
Sleep is so important. I just wish my kid was a good sleeper. Nearly 2 and rarely sleeps through the night.
Right? And not only the amount, but the time of day you need to rest appears to be genetically predetermined. We aren’t nocturnal, but some can be up later than others, some can wake earlier than others. Some (like me) are zombies after lunch.
@@elissa3188 haha this! I never minded mornings, but I have a 5yo who, up to starting school, woke at 5:30am and always has since she began sleeping through the night around age 2.
Now I’m up at 5: 30am every day, even when this beggar decides to sleep till 7 lol.
Thank you for sharing! I’ve recently been feeling ashamed for fatiguing faster than my friends. Just like you did, I feel so lazy and like I’m not meeting society’s expectations as an early 20s college student. I’m working on becoming more accepting of the fact that anxiety disorder exhausts the body, and that it’s okay that my battery needs to recharge more frequently than others
I’m suffering from an eating disorder and found your videos and you are the first person to give a name to my experience “weight cycling” and explain why it’s been detrimental to my health. Thank you so much you don’t know how much I needed this information.
It's the hypocrisy for me 🙌
Edit: I just noticed Paul says "hypocrisy" a LOT and that makes it even funnier that they don't recognize their own
When I was a kid in the 90s, I noticed in the white Southern Baptist Church I attended a conflating the whole "your body is a temple" with a 'Godly' need for thinness. I never heard any Bible verses about obesity, I just heard church leaders say our bodies were our temples. Over the years, I've noticed various forms of evangelicals share that idea, as well as a need for fitness.
As an adult I'm just a casual observer of both (mostly) white fundamental religions and also exercise. I notice a lot of comingling between God and religion and CrossFit in my area. I'm sure this extreme "temple" ideology is at least partly feeding the fat phobia & the connection between fatness and Satan.
Edited to clarify I attended a whited Southern Baptist church. There are non-white Southern Baptists and evangelicals who do not require their women to be thin in order to be godly wives.
I do not think I have read or heard anything talking about obesity in the bible. To be honest, most evangelical Americans worship the toxic aspects of our culture as "God's belief". It is rooted heavily in American exceptionalism and manifest destiny (AKA colonialism). Their belief in a healthy body probably only pertains to a specific frame that is favored in white women-- which is a thinner bone structure and extremely slender. A lot of people in general but especially bipoc do not have that frame. I have been watching youtube videos on this by nonwhite creators and they complain about the fatphobic prejudice against their body even when they aren't even fat at all. Oh no broad shoulders. Oh no someone without a perfect hourglass figure.
Back in the Middle Ages being overweight was ideal because extra weight meant you're wealthy and not starving working fields. Churches supported that and all too happily collected money from the wealthy with "you're totally going to heaven" (the Bible actually says the exact opposite, but plenty of Christians don't read it themselves).
Now that gaining weight is much easier and being skinny is a symbol of wealth in a bunch of places (in the west, at least), would you look at that, churches are abusing people's desire for higher status and linking being overweight and being poor and calling those bad things. Then they take donation money from rich skinny donors and tell them "you're totally going to heaven and your fatphobia is the right thing, Jesus says so".
Obviously that's not applicable to every case (ain't no Evangelical church calling out men in power for their weight, for example), but there's definitely a trend of churches telling people what they want to hear to encourage phobias, hate, holier-than-thou attitudes and "your bigotry is good, actually". Churches aren't in a vacuum from society, they know hating overweight people is in fashion now.
@@younce-davis952 Excellent point! I did not mean to imply the Bible has anything to say about weight, rather the church I grew up in (white Southern Baptist) and white American evangelicals at large adopted their own views taking it to an extreme. And thank you for correctly pointing out it is a white, American evangelical phenomenon. I will edit my original comment to reflect this.
Sabrina Strings wrote a great book about this called Fearing the Fat Body. She does a fantastic job of tracing the origins of fat phobia, tying all of the pieces together (religion and white supremacy), every point supported by research. She also points out the ways it is damaging to all women.
I'm half way through a book called fearing the black body and it makes an enlightening case for the thin ideal coming from christians being obsessed with control and not "being savages". Makes a lot of sense as theyre obsessed with controlling everything else
@@elenapaints972 That's an excellent book. I loved it. She really ties so many of our modern beauty standards to specifically white protestant supremacy and her research was phenomenal.
Great video, Mickey!
They blame gyms being closed for increasing weight gain, yet exercise is a tiny, tiny portion of the weight/fat loss process. Exercise does a great many things, but it is not the magic bullet people like Paul & Morgan think it is. And gyms are great for some, but they're just a choice, there's a zillion other ways & places to exercise, and there's a zillion reasons to exercise that have nothing to do with fat loss.
For me, what I eat is a big part of weight loss. Exercise helps with my physical and mental health. Both of these things, in a balanced way, is healthy.
@@dimitritucker1077 Exactly. that's why I get so frustrated by people like P&M because they set people up for unrealistic expectations of what exercise can/should do.
Diet has an 80% impact on health over 20% excercise.
@@clarejohnston4729 I have been told that. It’s good to know.
It's good to eat a healthy diet, because it's healthy. It is good to do physical activity regularly because it is healthy. That is what love sounds like. "You're too fat to be healthy" is just hateful bs. But these kinds of Christians love making themselves feel like good people by casting aspersions on others because they are lazy and arrogant.
As a religious person (former fundy, not anymore) who has a rare disease that keeps me from losing weight, I feel this in my soul. Thin person = good person is a tired religious trope. It makes me feel like vomiting. I'm not a sub par human because of the shape of my meat bag. If you think I am, that tells far more about you than it does about me.
What’s a fundy?
@@Taewills a fundamentally religious person (usually in a religion that is ultra traditional and often very restrictive in their views)
@@Goat.Cheese gotcha- thanks for the explanation 😃
For real!!! This meat hanger is a temporary one I decorate here on earth, I don't think your diet or weight has absolutely anything to do with how christian or religious you are
as a fat person thank you so much for being here and making this.
You pointing out that all eating is emotional makes me feel a little better about the emotional bond I have with it. So thank you for that
People: "People should be themselves"
People like paul and morgan: "OH MY GOD OUR KIDS ARE GONNA BE FORCED TO BE THEMSELVES AHHHH"
Ughhhhh I really hope they dont have children fuck
"I would not be a fat person if diet culture had left me the fuck alone" Fuck. Yes. I adore your videos, and I am so so angry alongside you with these videos. I damaged my body so badly by trying to lose weight, when I was actually very very normal-sized.
Edited to add: I love that you talk about coping tools not being inherently good or bad. I tell my own clients this all the time. It's not about what you're doing, but why and what the effects are, but there's so many assumptions about "good" or "bad" coping skills.
As someone who had an eating disorder, I agree. I would be in a better state if I hadn’t struggled with anorexia as a young adult. Growing up in a fat phobic family was devestating to my self esteem.
This exactly
"WELL I SAID WITH ALL DUE RESPECT!" - Ricky Bobby
I grew up in a fat-phobic fat family. It was a definite mind fuck for sure.
this!! gave myself an eating disorder as a young teen because I was “chubby” and have constantly been in a binge - restrict cycle. Always in the mind set of “i might as well eat it all i’m already fat” switching to “i’m so fat i can never eat again” all rooted from diet culture.
The hypocrisy of them talking about being responsible and caring for others during the pandemic when they have promoted the exact opposite is astounding.
Thank you for making this video. I'm a trans person, but as a child and young adult so much emphasis was put on my weight that it was so normal for me to hate my body, and took me a lot longer to tell some of those feelings were dysphoria. These discussions are important. Your channel is amazing, keep doing great work
I’ve had an eating disorder (AFRID) my whole life and it was never flagged by an adult. I’ve been in and out of the hospital for extreme stomach pain that was never diagnosed. I’m 24 now and only recently figured out what’s going on. I can’t express how scary it is to know you’ve essentially been malnourished for years. Super helpful that I’ve always been referred to as “healthy” since I’m skinny 🙄
I’m sorry to hear this, I also have ARFID but with me it‘s the other way around, I‘ve always been fat because there were many times in my life I could only eat pasta and went through hell for it. I developed multiple other eating disorders and there is no way for me to loose weight healthy since I just can‘t swallow most healthy foods. But even doctors !who knew the problem! shamed me for it.
Hi! I also have AFRID and it’s caused a lot of fluctuating weight issues and doctors love to ignore it! Wishing you the best! ❤️
@@Charlotte-fd7xp I’m so sorry 💔 I hope you can find some sources of healing for yourself!!
@@sierralapierre9717 doctors sure love to ignore the body’s whole story unfortunately 😔 the medical system is so flawed, I’m sorry
i also have ARFID!! it went undiagnosed until i almost died of malnutrition in the hospital and there they misdiagnosed me with anorexia even though i had none of the body image issues. so so so many doctors and therapists have no idea about arfid and i’ve had to explain it to multiple professionals i’ve met with.
I’m a prime example of weight NOT equaling health. I lost 30+ lbs DURING Covid due to heavy depression. Prior weight loss, my blood levels were pretty good. I worked out 3 times a week. My endurance and muscle mass was off the charts. I was fat! Post weight loss, my cholesterol has drastically changed for the worst. I am more unhealthy now than I’ve ever been before. I have no stamina and no muscle.
People need to accept that peoples’ bodies are their own. No one else’s. How can they judge a person by size alone? They can’t! I’ve even had people say, “At least you lost weight, the depression wasn’t for nothing!”
I can't believe people have said that to you. That is absolutely disgusting.
as someone who loses weight because of mental illness and really strugles to gain it back afterward, I relate a lot! worst comment I have received is "hey, you look so pretty and graceful, you obviously lost weight! Oh I bet it's because you probably don't eat properly!" and all of this with a huge smile in his face... and when I manage to get some weight back because my mental and physical health are better: "wow girl you gained so much weight! carefull not to let yourself go like this!" when I had gained like..max 10 lb. It almost feel like people want me to stay unhappy just to please them. It's sickening.
People are awful. I'm sorry you had/have to go through that. Hope you are doing better now!
They talk about caring about health but are they going to talk about the racial and socio-economic complexities that lead to an array of food choices and access? And the fact that they don’t support subsidizing fresh fruit, vegetables and healthcare for lower income people (who are more susceptible to the illnesses they all of a sudden care about)?
I actually called them out on that in a couple previous videos about a year ago and they deleted my comments and blocked me. I don't know if I'm still blocked but they do not take that criticism from my experience
@@toomuchsci-fi woww 🤣💀🤦🏽♀️
people like this dont actually care about the people they claim to want to help through their "hard hitting criticism". they dont care about the underlying issues, whether it be socioecomomic or biological. if they did they would go into them, or read the goddamn articles they're talking about. they are just trying to find a way to justify the hatred and opinions they already hold by spouting tired, widely believed mistruths.
Listening to those two literally gives me heart palpitations. They give me STRONG something is not right vibes.
they are so toxic....
I got a massive "These people are not well" vibe too and I loved how Mickey explained how Paul and Morgan aren't well.
the “let me know how you’re doing” at the beginning actually made me smile a bit! one of the cuter “comment on my video” things i’ve seen. and clearly, it worked! i’m not doing too great today, a bit lonely and extremely low energy, but i’ve been binge watching your videos. it’d be a strong word to say they’ve been making me HAPPY because they’ve mostly been about relatively dark topics, but they’ve definitely been interesting and i’ve enjoyed watching them
People are far too comfortable talking about other people's bodies. A group of friends was talking about the discussion around weight and one of them mentioned that, when seeing her ex-boss for the first time in months, the first comment he made to her, not even saying "hello" was "you look like you've lost weight." Bodies should not have different moralities assigned to them, and you shouldn't even need to be "healthy" to be respected and allowed to exist. As someone who is chronically ill, "healthy" looks very different to me than to someone else, and these people just by looking at me would think that I am a bastion of health. No one owes you to look a certain way and it's baffling how people can still think like Paul and Morgan.
When I realized that my body was starting to limit myself (I felt lethargic, my calves hurt when walking/standing too long, short breath, etc) I decided it was time to make some changes to feel better. I did lose weight in the process BUT, it was the lifestyle change that helped me, not the reduced body fat. I felt stronger, more flexible, just better in general. And guess what? I was still fat then and I'm still fat now. Those people who have never experienced being obese will never fully understand how it is, just how I'll never understand how it is to be considered underweight. They should know their place and not speak on what they don't know unless it's to respect people just existing in their body.
TBH, I feel like in order to start being healthy and caring for one's self health (body, mind, heart and spirit), one has to be able to let go the shame with being overweight. Like removing weight-loss as a goal for a healthy lifestyle. If you just so happen to lose weight, then you do. Losing or gaining weight should not be celebrated or shamed.
I'm going to start working on my weight once I give birth, but not to get to some special approved number. I don't like how my body has been affected at this weight, and I want to take better care of my body. Mainly, just eating well, stopping when my body is satisfied, and maintaining a level of exercise that's good for me.
As a thin person whose mother was a model back in the day, this was highly educational for me. I appreciate the links, your response, and your passion for this discussion. I hope I can become increasingly aware of this issue. Thank you for beginning this process for me :)
Love hearing from someone who's not directly affected who cares
I think when Paul says "Overall thoughts", he's not asking Morgan for her input he's announcing what her thoughts should be. That's why there is no pause for her to actually speak.
cause that's not her job as THE WIFE.
This is so
What bothers me is when someone loses/gains weight via adapting a more healthy lifestyle, and then they get shamed because “they should have loved their larger/smaller body more.”
This happened to friend of mine, and I got upset on her behalf. I told her “Don’t listen to them. Your body was beautiful then, and it's beautiful now. Clearly, you love your body because you’re taking care of it. You’re being healthy, and this is how your healthy body looks. Besides, truely loving your body means loving it regardless of its size; it means treating it right. If that's what you’re doing, keep doing it.”
Praising someone for their drastic weight change when you know it’s from a serious illness can also be very upsetting/harmful. It’s like saying “hey, your size is more valuable than your wellbeing. You should feel proud that you’re this size now, even though it came at the expense of your health and happiness.”
This is also an experience another friend of mine has had. She went from average to underweight, against her will, and was quickly showered with compliments on her thinness. It made her feel even worse. She said “I hated being that size because it meant I was sick and unhealthy. All I wanted was to gain the weight back and get better, not be told how ‘lucky’ I was.”
When I advocate for healthiness, I’m not advocating for a size. There is no one “healthy weight.”
As I’m watching this as someone who has gained 20-25 lbs in a year or two and has been feeling like absolute shit about it, I’m just so grateful that you and people like you are out here with such great advice and support. So grateful you’re a therapist and are undoubtedly helping people immensely. As a Christian too, just want to point out that Paul and Morgan should look at the fruit of what their advice produces. Fear and sadness
This was painful to watch. As a teenager I was a competitive swimmer - always exercising, only eating after swim practice, lean and skinny as hell. And I was STILL bombarded with the message that I was too fat. It set me up for a lifetime of eating disorders and body image issues that I struggle with to this day. I'm in my 50s now, and one of my biggest regrets is that I've spent such a huge chunk of my life hating my body.
Yes sometimes more weight can mean unhealthy, like less weight can also mean unhealthy. But it depends on the person, their genetics, disability status, lifestyle etc. and it’s not as big of an impact that people believe AND MOST IMPORTANTLY it’s not your business if a stranger isn’t being healthy or as healthy as they can be. It’s called body autonomy! And it’s treating fat people like objects just showing us means “promoting” our bodies? What? Gross. Also the gym is a breeding ground for what spreads coronavirus! During a respiratory pandemic, a bunch of sweat panting people working out moving from machine to machine is a health hazard! It’s even more than it’s not essential; it’s extra worse than any other non essential business
THANK YOU for pointing out that we shouldn't be judged based on our health
Heck I don't even want health advice from my family based on my weight. If you are not their dietitian and they do not ask you for your comments, no matter your relationship, shut up!
we should be firing back how they're objectifying and promoting skinniness by just existing or by skinny people are on the cover of every magazine despite the fact it's proven that can be just as unhealthy. i swear people just dont want to look at fat people and are finding every excuse to justify it in a way that sounds less horrible
I agree with everything you said besides the impact one- obesity has an incredible impact on our health and societal spending
@@uwu-fm2kj not as much as people are lead to believe, especially as not as bad as flip flopping weight. Also people are living beings, act like it. I'm not going to talk about any person in regards to societal spending because that's gross. And not every fat person is obese and not every obese person is even equally obese. I was obese at one point and my health wasn't more expensive compared to when I wasn't (both before and now)
As someone who's skinny (most likely because of hyperthyroïdism and because anxiety and depression mixed with sensory processing dissorded makes eating really hard at times) this type of commentary still makes me very uneasy. I lose weigt BECAUSE I am unhealthy, when I am at my worst, and I get compliments for it. It makes me feel uncomfortable, it feels like people are encouraging me to be sick and unhappy just for what they were told to value. And of course when I finally gain some weight back, people point it out as if it's a bad thing. As a skinny person, I really want body diversity to be valued and I encourage it at every opportunity (also to overall don't comment on people's weight). I need body diversity to be aknowledged in the media because if people can accept that fat doesn't mean unhealthy, they'll come to realize that losing weight isn't necessarely good either and will stop encouraging unhealthy unhappy people to stay unhealthy and unhappy. (to be clear, I am not saying that my life is in any way close to what a fat person has to go through, it's just to point out that everyone needs body diversity and this type of discourse isn't "healthy" for anyone)
The other side to fatphobia. I've heard similar stories to yours where people who are thin for health reasons, and are shamed the instant they gain weight a feel better and healthier. 🤗
This is not really related to Paul and Morgan, but Mickey I SO appreciate you dissecting diet culture and fatphobia. I'm slowly understanding how deep this brainwashing goes in my own life and you're helping me come out of the fog! Thank you so much for being you and helping us accept ourselves exactly as we are!! I'm deleting Noom right now.
My step mom put me on a diet starting at 8 because I was “obese” I had an ED starting at 10-19, at one point my mom said “o thought you were in drugs you were so skinny and then you’d get really big all of a sudden”🥴 like yo wtf but yeah the ducking judging and stigma is rough and takes a toll. I’m 5’2” and 185… still trying to be comfortable with my body
"We love everyone on this channel! Except fat people, non Christian people, etc., and we are better than everyone else. Spread some of God's love (carefully)!"
Good old hypocrisy.
It's so frustrating to hear them talk about "science" and "research" while ignoring any research they dont agree with...
Did you catch that little qualifier of "common sense" he added as an after thought? That's 100% how he justified cherry-picking the research to himself. 5:38
Too much sleep can be a sign of depression. Hearing her say that she was getting 10+ hours or at least having trouble getting out of bed following a lot of sleep made me concerned
It’s probably her only escape from Paul…note how quick he was to jump in and interrupt her ‘it’s in excess” god wants you to sleep..” 🤔
It can be. I have always been someone that needs 10-11 hours of sleep naturally, as I'm always doing things and end up being tired. Then I got on antidepressants, so the evening tablets that I take also factor into my sleep. X
Oh, it gets worse. She has depression. She has talked about on their channel before. Paul didn't like that she was taking medicine for it, and a few month later, the lord spoke to her and told her to stop taking her meds. It was a super uncomfortable video to watch.
"The ignorance morgan is privileged enough to have." Never even thought about it like that. Wonderfully said. ❤❤❤
This isn't the most important point of this video, by far, but I wanted to share. I have been saying for years "I'm fat. I'm blonde, I'm short, I have hazel eyes, and I'm fat." So when you said basically the same thing, I literally jumped in my chair and yelled "Yes! Thank you!!" lol
i really want to send this to my mom. She has also tried to diet many times in her life. I think she has a gorgeous body and that shes a lovely person. But it sucks when people within the family make rude remarks at her. She gave birth to me and my brother, she was a dancer when she was younger, she has been able to make a ncie carreer for herself as an immigrant woman. I hope she knows that she is much more than the bad comments people make about her body.
If you find yourself able to I think she would love to hear that bc the way you described her there and said that is so beautiful and she sounds like a lovely person ♥
I am a nutritionist , who is also in a large body .
I've been large my entire life.
Like 100lbs at age 6 - not because my parents fed us sh*t (my brother ate identical and was always very very slim, we both played sports etc) , but because I had hormonal challenges that doctors didn't understand 20 years ago.
The doctor said I was having hormonal issues because I was fat. We now know it's the other way around.
I really struggle to have people take me seriously as a nutrition expert in a fat body. They always assume I must eat like 💩 and must be a terrible nutritionist . Sucks ass.
😢 I would love to have a nutritionist like you
I would feel so much more comfortable with a nutritionist in a larger body. There are things that thin people just don't get (and I've been both thin and fat). Especially a nutritionist who has experience with hormonal issues or chronic illness. It really sucks that people don't take you seriously.
So as someone who is research- bound (research that involves viruses that prey on bacteria- so nothing directly to do with human anatomy) shit like this makes me so tempted to do a 180 and go into medicine, just to make sure fucking someone is doing clinical due diligence and listening to patients and not assuming “because fat”.
I mean I won’t ever be a doctor. I’d suck at it. It’s just not for me. I’d be a terrible medical doctor. But it makes me wish I could be a decent one.
@@MsMorganThorne hey I’m also a Morgan! High five, being a Morgan on this video makes me feel like a Karen.
I've always been very slim. I am currently my heaviest at 135 pounds. I used to be 120 on average, sometimes 115. I never had to work to be this way. I've always accepted that other people have different bodies and that it wasn't all a matter of choice or even diet. Even at my unhealthiest, I still appear slim. Some of this has to do with mental health and ptsd.
I honestly believe that not having too much excess body fat, eating balanced meals and excersising regularly does have a positive impact on long-term quality of life. I say this as a fat person myself.
That being said...you cannot accurately gauge a person's health just by looking at them. There are multiple factors that contribute to a person's well-being that are not immediately apparent.
We all, as human beings, have the right to exist, love and accept ourselves as we are. I don't care if you're fat or skinny, you're valid, you're worthy and you're deserving of happiness.
My sister had part of her thyroid removed, she has to get the rest of it removed. Sometimes when people are fat it really is related to health issues, but it is such fake bs to be like, "you're unhealthy, we care about you, why don't you stop eating so much and go to the gym?" Gross. Food has no morality, but that is what they are pushing, the idea that you are responsible for making yourself unhealthy. 🙄
I never really realised, just how much of my eating disorder is based off of my internalized fatphobia, that says that being fat is the worst thing ever, before watching your channel🖤
I think for some people, the "writing down absolutely everything you eat" method can work, but for many others it is dangerous. My mom did that for a while, and is very happy about it, because it helped her with gaining more awareness about food and her own bodys needs. She doesn't do it anymore but says she feels more in tune with her body now. I also tried that, and fell into an eating disorder immediately. Especially the "calories in, calories out" got me deep into bulimia. Now I am overweight, and have to fight against the urge to try it again, because I know this does not work for me, but it always sounds so tempting!
Exactly...for me, I found I actually do end up eating better when I'm keeping track of what I eat, because that way, I can easily spot patterns that could lead to way too much weight gain really quickly, how much snacking I'm doing without even thinking about it, or if there's something I'm eating that could be causing me to feel physically ill. That being said, I'm not going to down the Paul and Morgan route of telling everyone to do this, because just as in your example with you and your mom, what works for me won't necessarily work for everyone else...in summary, only you know what is your best approach to being a healthier person, and no two experiences in that area are alike
Listening to Morgan talk reminds me of how fucking miserable I've been for thirty-two years of my life being raised as an evangelical and embracing it. I realized recently that I was just so fearful and miserable because I was never good enough, I was never sacrificing enough, if I was enjoying something too much was it becoming more important to me than God, on and on and on. So I recently decided to let go of what was making me miserable. I don't know where I'm at faith wise at this point but I can't express to you the level of freedom I feel not constantly obsessing over whether I love God enough, whether I'm sacrificing enough, whether this is enough or that is too much, ad infinitum. I can just LIVE.
I feel sad for Morgan because here she is thinking God is telling her she has to give up sleeping and wake up early and basically make herself miserable to prove (probably more to herself than to anyone else) that she loves God enough. That way lies misery. I don't think God's plan for you is that you have to make yourself miserable to prove you love Him enough.
I know exactly how you feel. Probably contributed to my anxiety disorder
I grew up in this mindset and it’s even harder being black navigating within a white church who’s beauty standards are the exact opposite of me, my build, my cultural vises etc. Until I realized one day that the dogma was created to keep us in the seats. Keep us investing in vacation Bible school, retreats, books, music, tithing in addition to the systemic racism flourishing within the “body of Christ”.
@@Taewills I find that white evangelical Christians in particular are extremely resistant to any conversations about racism that might force them to examine themselves and grow. I see it again and again; they love it when black people come to their white evangelical church because it proves they're loving and accepting and not racist, but when those black Christians start to speak up about racism in America, oh boy watch out.
Most white evangelical churches are "not racist" but you better not try being anti-racist or make them uncomfortable in their naive "I don't see color" narrative. They just can't (won't) accept that the lived experience of their black brothers and sisters might be very different from their own. They cherish diversity as long as it doesn't challenge them to grow.
…did you read my mind? This is literally ME. Letting go of being miserable trying to be a good Christian and just being allowed to be myself and LIVE is true freedom
…..have you actually READ your Bible?
"we want more freedoms" also "you shouldn't have the freedom to buy the food you like or exist in your body without being miserable trying to look different"
Having been skinny my whole life before having kids, and being unable to lose weight no matter what I do. My whole body shape has changed and it's so clear that women who don't fit that mold are not treated as well and are told by everything how "wrong" we are.
I hate this.
My fat phobia in medical story is this: I went to a clinic that specialized in endocrine issues (heart disease, diabetes, and hypothyroidism) to have some tests done (this before I was diagnosed with my rare disease when we were trying to figure out what was wrong). The chairs in the lobby were so small that when I stood up (I'm overweight), I got stuck! It was so awkward to try to pry the chair off my derriere. For the tests I needed a hospital gown. They didn't have any in my size. They only had SUPER small ones and didn't even own any other size. They had to tie 3 together to cover my body! When I asked why a clinic with lots of overweight clients didn't have plus size gowns or decent size chairs in the waiting room, the PA said they DIDN'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BE FAT. It was humiliating to have the nurse have to tie gowns together to cover my body and it DIDN'T change my health at all. I still have a rare disease that makes me unable to lose weight. I never went back to the clinic. That's a solid NO from me.
That is horrifying. I am so sorry they purposely put you through that.
Oh my god, I’m so sorry this happened to you. This made me tear up.
I once got stuck in an amusement park ride after the dude pushed the safety gate so deep into my stomach it couldn't be pushed down again to open it. Fun time to have a group of kids laughing at you while the workers try to desperately push the gate deeper into your fat to open it. Fun fun. Getting stuck to things is the worst thing, even if it's only for few seconds like with a chair.
Nah dude, it s not their fault they have to tie 3 coats together to cover you, it s your issue and your health issue
@@rain-cy6ve It's their fault if they specialize in health issues that are connected with bigger body mass and are not prepare for patients with a bigger body mass. It's like they had maternity ward without any beds for babies because usually patients are not supossed to bring any children with them to the hospital.
I will never understand why people think that it's their right to comment negatively on other people's bodies.
Your research has completely changed my understanding of so many things. Thank you so, so much. I’ve never heard any of the info you provided, and it makes a ton of sense. Excuse me while I go reevaluate my ENTIRE understanding of life and bodies and food and health. Jfc.
Recently found your channel and I love it. This video in particular speaks to me, since a) I'm healing from growing up in a fundie context, and b) currently working on healing my relationship with my body image and food. (Disclaimer: I would likely be perceived as thin even now that I'm heavier than previously, but I still have baggage I'm working through.)
Your point about them speaking about your real life like it's a thought experiment reminds me of how people talk about trans folks as though none of us are in the audience. (I'm a trans man.) Definitely anger-inducing.
I appreciate your thoughts and knowledge here, and your facial expressions are so validating and help lighten an otherwise rather triggering (for me) video. :)
Wow thank you so much for being here! I’m so glad the video was validating for you! Yeah that’s definitely a valid anger. While I can’t fully understand I can definitely empathize. Sending you all the good vibes for your healing journey! 💕
@@MickeyAtkins Thank you so much! Didn't expect a personal comment but thank you for taking the time to leave a response. :) To elaborate on what I said earlier, I recently got out of an abusive relationship where food control was part of the abuse, and for that reason, as well as stress/fear, I was much thinner than I am now. So the past year I've given myself permission to eat intuitively, whatever and whenever I want to, and it's helped a lot. To me that's a positive outcome that I hope will brighten your day as well. :)
Btw you're totally right about their views not being integral to religion. (I admit I wasn't quite done watching when I left the last comment so I have a couple more brief thoughts.)
I've converted to Paganism in my adulthood, and like Morgan (....ish) I believe that I hear directly from Deity, but in my case, my Patron God often encourages me to do things that promote my selfcare and wellbeing, and He's helped me a lot in healing my self-esteem and trauma. (Fwiw this is quite common in my community of Pagans who converse with our Gods in the way I do.) And I know from experience that (in my belief) Deity can sometimes ask very difficult things, which can feel like a sacrifice, but what Morgan's describing seems to me like she's taken that kernel of truth and twisted it into a self-hating joyless fundamentalist framework, where those Godly requests are based on fear and shame instead of a foundation of love and trust and mutual respect. (And fwiw my Gods have emphasized that I need to have boundaries, *even with Them*.)
Thanks again for the video!
I liked what one of my social work instructors said “if it’s possible to believe someone can eat anything they want and not gain weight (we all know these types!) how come we can’t believe people who don’t eat anything can gain weight despite (again) not eating”
This. I just have a naturally large frame with no hips and broad shoulders 😂
Because it kind of goes against the laws of physics? The mass of a person has to come from somewhere, and assuming you’re not sucking in the building blocks of tissues and water through your skin, the mass of a bigger person is probably getting into their person through oral consumption.
There are some people with fast metabolisms and health conditions that allow them to eat whatever they want without gaining weight. There are also health conditions that make it difficult to lose weight, or increase water retention, or make it so that people can maintain their weight with very few meals. So yes, it’s hard to believe that fat people are still fat and they don’t eat “anything”. They definitely do eat something, and relatively recently, or they wouldn’t be fat, they’d be anorexic and starving.
Or maybe they don’t eat much a lot of the time, but go nuts with highly calorie dense foods on a day or two of the week. Binge eating exists and a lot of us don’t realize or choose not to care about how many thousands of calories we can ingest while not actually eating a lot of food.
I’ve been fat my whole life, i get that it sucks, but we didn’t get this way by not eating anything. That’s physically impossible.
Well if someone eats nothing it’s impossible for them to gain weight because you can’t make mass out of nothing. I agree with the sentiment though
@@kariak55 Except it doesn’t, your knowledge of bodies and/or physics is just oversimplified. The body is not a closed system, for one.
But even then, okay, where is the energy the skinny person gets from eating going? Many skinny people eat a lot and don’t exercise, yet stay thin. By your logic that is impossible, yet you seem to be fine with that hypothetical.
@@johnnycranknose4098 My other comment got auto-modded or something, but suffice to say you two have zero idea about anything you’re talking about
In February 2020 I did an 8 mile full moon snow shoe hike. In march 2020 covid took my health. Even now, my heart, brain, etc are all trashed. For recovery, I'm on a super restrictive diet (basically potatoes and water) now for the most part of 6 months. I was a big, strong middle aged lady, but because of illness and restrictions, I am dropping weight. It's so amazing how I feel like a melting ball of neuro issues and tachycardia, but people just comment on how good l look. How healthy I look. Fatphobia is so ingrained in our culture.
I hope you find some relief
@@TiredKnitter thank you so much! Finding bits and pieces daily 💜 hope you are doing well in these crazy days.
I am so sorry. Covid sucks. It takes forever for the patients we have had to recover….
@@invisiblepinkunicorn7626 sending love and support to you and your patients. Thank you and agreed. Covid SUCKS
Imagine being so privileged that a magazine cover is what's got you this riled up....🤦♀️🤦♀️
They claim the know the struggle is real, but deny the systemic issues like poverty and racism that contribute to things like food deserts, lack time and skill to cook etc. all while sitting in their nice house ignoring the massive backpack of privilege they carry.
The part where you talked about how using shame to get people to change a behavior is so telling here. These folks are steeped in a religious culture that relies on shame - so of course they cannot grasp a life not based in shame.
“Why is our self esteem placed higher than the father?” Well, Morgan, perhaps because one is real and the other isn’t.
awe that was sad
it must be so hard for Morgan to imagine a life not justified by shame and lack of self esteem
@@elleofhearts8471 abusw
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Christians “God loves you for who you are.”
Paul and Morgan “The enemy wants to make you think you are perfect the way you are.”
Got ‘em.
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All eating is emotional! I love this concept so much. When I had severe postpartum depression my wonderful MIL came to visit, made wonderful food for me and to this day her shrimp and orzo is my comfort food 🥘 when I have a relapse day. Food is always emotional, and this realization you gave me helped me learn to be nice to myself emotionally when it comes to food ❤❤❤
I’m late coming across your channel Mickey but I want to say that it’s so great to see your videos breaking down toxic ideas that are pushed by the church. I am a Christian that has found faith again after deconstructing it due to being hurt by the church over and over. When i hear Paul and Morgan speak, i wonder if we are really even worshipping the same God.
I attend an open and affirming church now that focuses on coming together as a community to worship, love first, and spread the hope of Jesus. My pastor recently gave a sermon about how NOTHING that we can do (physically, career-wise, mentally) could make us any more deserving of the love of God than we are right now. Our weight and physical appearance does not change our worthiness. It was so profound to hear a church finally preaching that we are enough and are loved the way we are. He also told me that people preaching like P&M bother him because as Christians we are called to be Christ-like, not “biblical” or telling everybody else exactly what they should do based on the Bible. That’s not our place. So on one hand it’s amazing to see this side and feel comfortable in my faith, but it’s disgusting to see people doing the exact thing that kept pushing me away from the church on such a public platform.