New Evidence In POKER CHEATING SCANDAL At Hustler Casino Live
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2022
- We're back with the latest developments in the alleged cheating scandal that has shaken the poker world to its core. Garrett Adelstein believes that he was potentially cheated out of a $269,000 pot on Hustler Casino Live by Bobbi Jade Lew. Somehow, Jake Paul's boxing manager is part of this story as well. Buckle up!
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Chess: he’s cheating or a genius
Poker : She’s cheating or an idiot
COD: She's cheating
she is a genius, good at live reads, owned garrot like a boss
@@SunLife-gy1eu troll
She's cheating + she's an idiot 🤣
how can u possibly cheat on chess tho
The dumbest thing she did in all of this was give the money back. Biggest red flag out of everything. I would never give money back if i miss read my hand, neither would anyone else.
She didn't care because she was getting staked by RiP anyway.
Hold on , she gave the money back ? How do you know that ?
@@bradowen9211 Bro your way behind on this. She gave it back. I think she gave it back because she was panicking and hoping it all went away. But it’s the number one reason that I think she is guilty, that and the vibration I just saw.
@@J1mb0Y88 plus she was clear she wanted the game to continue and didn’t care about the money. And likely wanted the exposure etc. she was so oblivious to Garrett implying she was cheating in the post hand interview. I hope any semi decent poker player could gather that much. She’s clearly not sophisticate enough to have that much acting prowess and body language / tone composure but even if you want to call that subjective. There’s nothing objective in the “evidence” except the shake that has plenty of plausible explanations without seeing her feet.
@@anand13 she cant act but seem calm cuz her face is full of botox and it is stiff like a stone
The worst she did was say she thought garret had ace high and still called with jack high suspect
That was the nail in the coffin
She's just a terrible player who has no idea what she's doing.
Not if she saw AJ instead of 4J. Then that comment makes more sense.
To me it’s the stupid grin that she does on and off that’s a huge tell and possibly the vibrating device is hidden where the sun don’t shine area know what I mean? 🦪
She gave it back because she felt sorry for his whiny little ass. And she was getting attacked online. Casino investigated and this isn’t some rink a dink casino that doesn’t have the resources. People just love conspiracy theories.
Great break down. Most of the time I'd say don't cry about it and take the beat but there is no way in hell she didn't cheat.
“Most people are idiots. Sorry about that guys, but at least no1 thinks I’m talking about them” - pure gold from Doug here
Thank heaven Doug doesn't think he's talking about himself.
this guy easily falls into that idiot category
Oh...I 100 pct knew he was talking about me in this context. I came here to figure out what the fuck was going on and how you could cheat(my basic theory was having someone watching the live-stream and then somehow alerting her, but, as stated, I am an idiot, so I don't know if that's even plausible).
@@scourge8097 You are extremely fortunate because Doug knows "it's something like 90% that she is cheating". My opinion is, if you do not like or it doesn't make sense to you what the other player has at showdown, just accuse them of cheating and ask for your money back. It's a well thought out position to have and thank god Doug doesn't think he is one of the idiots. He's got this figured out.
@Sam Darnold completely! I mean how subjective can you be to lay out the partial info he has thus far and even have “evidence” in the title.
This is a great example of a spot where you mix in cheating and not cheating
Exactly, this people need to learn how to play
This is gold 😂
She's balancing her cheating range lol
I wanted to throw a like on this but realized it was at 69 likes
Especially when no one has any evidence at all that she is cheating no evidence, the best claim to her cheating is her fidgeting 🤦🏽♂️ slow
Everything about that woman screams 'fake'.
I'd like to see the fakeness
Literally! 😂
the biggest giveaway to me, for her cheating was when she gave the money back and asked him to just stay at the table and play more. she knew giving the money back and getting Garret to stay, that she would clean him out of more, he knew what was going on and got straight out of there. because all the excuses she presents for making that call show her to be dumber than she looks, and that call is straight out of a single-celled brain.
I’m surprised nobody is talking about her comment right after the hand: “I thought you had Ace-high…” and then she realizes that wouldn’t justify her call. It just looked like she was trying to rationalize her call in the moment because she wasn’t thinking about WHY she called, only THAT she called (because maybe someone told her to) and then suddenly she had to come up with a reason for doing so (and her first reason was a bad one). You would know what you were thinking when you make a call like that!
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??? of course it would; she clearly didn't think he had a straight draw otherwise she could've figured that one of the card she would've needed for a pair was the card that would complete his straight. nice job not thinking about it at all
She messed up big time saying "I thought you had A high" as Garrett said...if you thought I had A high then why did you call...she then has to come up with some other garbage explanation and she fails miserably, she kept going back to saying that he let her do this to him several time before. I say go back and watch all of her previous hands against him and I bet you her story doesn't hold up!
Hi I dont know anything about poker and see this is a newer comment so Im hoping somebody could answer some questions I have.
About stuff she says _before_ the hand is over. Why is it suspicious she said she didnt have a 3 but later said she thought she did? Or in the same vein why is it weird she said she had a bad hand when she really did.
In the first case isnt it normal to lie in poker?
In the second case Doug says normally you project the opposite of what you really have, so if you have a bad hand you pretend you have a good one and vice versa. Isn’t it just like classic reverse psychology then to say you have a bad hand when you really do have a bad one? I’ll be honest I always thought this was a big part of poker, you can never really tell when your opponent is being honest or bluffing.
Finally my last question, I see on the board it says she has a 47% chance of winning the pot, if she was cheating wouldn’t she know she has a bigger chance of losing rather than winning? Or is the implication that she actually knows what card is going to be dealt? I thought if youre cheating you know what cards your opponents have but not what cards are coming out of the deck. If its the former situation (she knows whats going to be dealt) that all makes sense to me. If it’s the latter case, why would she go all in on a hand where the math says she has a 47% chance. Wouldn’t a cheater want to completely avoid a situation like that, Even if she had a 51% chance if you’re going all in there’s a good chance you still lose everything right? How does that work in this situation?
You never played poker if you never heard a player calling even when they're behind.
Doug is like a sage of poker. He knows when to appear and when to disappear when poker stuff is happening.
Great analysis!
More like a old gossip lady
Such a great point 😂
Gandalf the Green showing up at the perfect moment 🧙♂️🃏😂
@@vivelagauche3564 lol
Greetings from Scandinavia! What a sublime analysis. Thanks for quality content Doug!
Thanks for giving insight into this. I was intrigued..
The vibrating chair thing seems like a huge stretch as anything that can shake with that much power is sheer overkill to notify a player of something.
blowing up that a**/va* with max intensity
It would be loud as fuck. Think how big the motor would have to be
If she hypothetically had a vibrating device on her person somewhere, she might tap her foot or jiggle her leg a bit to cover up the vibrations.
It might be somewhere where the sun dont shine
But she could be tapping her feet etc to cover a more subtle vibration...her body movements are super weird the entire stream.
The only plausible explanation that she’ll never say - “I’m still fairly new to the game. I think I’m pretty good but clearly sometimes I still get confused and make really shortsighted decisions. I felt strongly he was bluffing, and I was blinded by that because I wasn’t even taking into account that I didn’t beat 95% of his bluffs too. I started to realize that once the cards were flipped, and how truly lucky I was. I then started to get embarrassed at that point and got defensive trying to save face. Then once confronted about it off the table, that’s when it really set in just how bad that play truly was. I LOVE being on camera and started worrying that they wouldn’t want to have someone back who does such dumb things. Also, I started to realize that if this blew up and continued to get immortalized, my current and future backers likely won’t give me another cent unless I’m willing to do other things when I’m settling up. So my immediate reaction was if I just give Garrett his money back and sweep this under the rug, maybe we then just go back and pretend like nothing happened.”
I think you nailed it!
But she isn't new to the game, she has documented play for the last 10 years and made day 3 of the WSOP. Sniffy AF
Syndicate partner spotted.
She doesn't owe anyone an explanation to begin with. It's a game. She can play however she wants with no rationale.
i was just about to make this speach , she is a show pony and has like next to ZERO BRAINS in the context of this game , she does what SO MANNY basic poker players do that are stupid they start using buzz words and try to sound sharp.
As im slowly watching half a dozen of your videos about cheaters back to back, it awesome deapth and youre clearly very intelligent doug
Giving the money back is to avoid federal charges, if she’s ever found out.
Caught people using weights in fishing contests and they were charged so she’s smart enough not to do the same.
If Mike and Robbi are the cheaters who got "caught" then imagine how many people could be out there executing their cheats less transparant and are just getting away with it. Seems like technological evolution of the game has some serious effects on the overall integrity of it.
It's different. To cheat in poker you need someone else to know the cards. So only live streamed games like this and the mike postle game you can cheat in.
And this will bring great awareness to help stop cheating if she is guilty . But also complicated because casinos keep things quiet to avoid losing business. No one will ever play a stream game again . or let people play with shades or phones on table. Which is the traditional way
@@williampeng6577 not true. Someone was cheating in casino in London with a device linked to the cards where he knew the run out. The cards were specially marked and he had a camera reading the run outs.
@@williampeng6577 not true, google collusion, soft play, signaling, etc
@@footballfan4314 Do you know which casino it was and how long ago by any chance?
Can't say I buy the shaking chair theory cause I had a coworker do that sometimes and it drove me crazy cause I could feel it through my desk. If think a device would be much more discreet.
A very simple and discreet device that could be easily concealed and just a quick 1 buzz to call and 2 buzzes means fold, if the conspirators are sophisticated enough to hack into RFID or it's an 'inside job'. They wouldn't be stupid enough to make her shake like a bowl of jelly. People often tap their foot when they're agitated or nervous, so I don't buy that part of the theory. And, who , even us low stakes idiots, hasn't lost many hands to even bigger idiots who made calls they never should have made in a million years, or had other players lying about their holdings?
@@nsbdbsbsbdbzbz8555 Are you serious? The guy has played more live poker than one could count…
*He has 3 bracelets…* He WON the effing 100k WSOP ONE DROP for christ sake.. HE OWNS an EFFING CARDROOM.
And you say “he doesn’t play live”? How stupid are you?
@@GummingPlobe if her chair was moving THAT much, what device was causing that? A chainsaw??
Yeah I think that is a bunch of nothing. Takes WAY more to shake a chair than it does to vibrate like a phone.
I agree with most of Doug's analysis, but the chair thing is a stretch. 1) It looks just like fidgeting. 2) if you are going to signal a player, you don't shake an entire chair to do it. 3) It would be easy to check a chair for a device.
Does the Luxor Poker Room still have the mechanical deck removal system that disappears under the table? I saw some strange hands(2010-2013) at those tables that made me think poker hijinx afoot.
Robbi said, "You didn't think I was embarrassed to show that hand?" Like what does that even mean when you're making a big call? Also, look how uncomfortable she is while she is tabling her hand and afterwards. She is just twirling around with her necklace after making what would be the best call in poker history. Most people would be filled with confidence. Her body language shows that she has just done something shady.
with the hand she had she should be surprised to have won it but she isnt, she just realised how terrible it looks that she called with absolutely nothing. How can u call over a 100k with nothing? No1 who plays poker would understand it. She is dumb enough to get that far without thinking of the consequences yet realises it at the very end when she sees Garreth face and then trembles trying to explain it. Perhaps we get some body language expert to look at her behaviour and saying what they see but she looks suspicious and guilty
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@@radoslawkurczab8265 The Behavioral Arts is doing a video on it. Check out his channel! 😊
Its a terrible call lmao
Yes, you are absolutely right! Nobody would make this call without first giving it a lot of thought, which she never does. Then, after they flip over their hands she is extremely nervous, and completely quiet as though she does not know what to say. If that was me, and i had just made the greatest call in history, i would be ecstatic in my poker abilities and it would show in my face, and i would NEVER return the money because i just made an amazing call and won. She did none of this, coupled with soooo many other things that points to cheating. Even her boyfriend stands up and claps and says "now thats how you play poker!" As he was the only one clapping
She only claimed to misread her hand AFTER she gave Garrett the money back. She looked at her cards for 15 seconds before deciding to call all in. And she showed no visible surprise after tabling J4 instead of J3. No way she misread her hand.
Correct. This is the biggest reason why it's extremely suspect. If you add in the hand itself and the fact that she offered to give the money back + the smaller details... It is sus.
NO WAY. we can eliminate a misread!
All circumstantial and speculative. Where's the actual evidence of cheating? She got lucky and Garrett hated the way he lost. That's why the producer and Garrett talked to her off-screen and most likely intimidated her to return back the money. Poker isn't 100% skill-based. Luck is very much a part of the game.
@@nfuller287 she literally looks at her hand for 15 seconds before deciding to call the all in. And if she did have a 3, why would she even raise?
I've looked at my cards and still didn't see them...and misplaced them wrong and right
It comes across to me that she’s not fully aware of what’s going on, or at least isn’t quick enough or have enough experience in poker to understand in real time what’s happening.
10:24 , you said "There's a classic tell in poker".. 🤣🤣🤣
Dude if she’s using a Lovesense to cheat at poker that’s a whole new level
Hahahah
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking....someone has access to the RFID...and relaying the vibe - only plausible scenario here and nobody is finding it should she get questioned!
THIS^^ I mean it's way too easy. Way too easy for that to be the case.
That's a man
@@internetvide0 holy based
Pros: "No one would ever, ever do this. In the history of poker no one has never made a call like this!"
Micro donks: "Yeah this happens every day. I did it yesterday. I'll probably do it tomorrow"
Stanley Tang went all in on 7 high and won on the same stream.
Firstly let that micro donk face a $100k bet and see of they do the same thing.
As for the Tang hand there is a major difference going all in and bluffing and calling a $100k bet with J high.
@@preacherjones67 he went all in bluff, didn't call all in with 7 high to go to showdown lol
A semi pro with a bigger chip stack tried to bully with J4 this Sunday
How many times have I been at a table with some obviously better players who have pushed me around throughout the day sometime showing the crap hands when I fold the winner to get me to react and to make a stupid call later just because they’ve been pushing me around all day?So I can empathize with Robbi stating reason for making that call because it’s happened to me (especially in my earlier years) on several occasions in bigger (for me)tournaments.
Three things all of the pathetic simps for Robbi seem to ignore:
1) She gave the money back. Guilty.
2) She put him on ace high which means she loses anyway. Clearly lying. Guilty.
3) A member of production staff who had access to the stream stole some of her chips right off of the table. Gulty AF.
If anyone thinks this is just a terrible call and there's no cheating going on here, I've got a bridge you might be interested in.
its pretty scary because if she looked at the board and actually thought about it, her call makes zero sense. she literally doesnt play poker and it takes so much discussion over if shes cheating or not. imagine how much cheating actually happens that goes unnoticied because people who actually play poker do it.
Love your content and playing styles man and in regards to the issue at hand, all I'll say is that there is absolutely something peculiar going on here at minimum. Have a good one big guy
I don't know much about cheating in poker. However, what I do know is that in 5th grade we had these cards at the corner of our desks, and when we did something good our teacher would come and write her initials. 30 initials and you got a prize. I cheated the hell out of it. I would always earn a few, forge most the rest, then earn the last couple. One time this kid who I didn't get along with called me out for some of the initials looking suspicious. I panicked, and said "well I earned them, but if you want to make a big deal out of it I'll just erase them" so I quickly scrambled to erase the last couple. Teacher still came over and rightly realized me erasing them is a pretty good sign of guilt. Anyway, this is all to say when cheaters get caught, often the strategy is to placate and give stuff up that they earned from cheating. I see literally no other reason she gives back that money to Garret. I don't buy the "he cornered and threatened me" story for one second. She got caught, called out, and went into damage control placation mode, just like 5th grade me. Only difference is I wasn't cheating to defraud people
Wow. Thanks bud.
Totally agree, if if she didn't feel guilty, or feels as if she won fair and square. Why even bother to give the money, and or meet with Garret in private. It was clearly an admission of guilt on her part. Honestly, feels like she let her ego get in the way too. She wanted to beat Garret so bad, and chose the most suspicious hand to do it in.
First, she works in the field of cancer research, her husband is a lawyer, she has a degree in Philosophy. Does this sound like the profile of a nefarious cheater? Give me a break. - the most simple explanation is generally the correct one. She made a blunder, hence she wanted to run it twice to hopefully get lucky. I don't care about anything else, or what she said. Look at what she did. She had it ran twice. The game is on a 3 hour delay. Once again, she does not fit the profile of a cheater. She is rich, educated, and works in the field of oncology. She does not need to cheat. Cheaters do not give money back. Ask the professionals; cheaters run and hide with the money. This has been mentioned by plenty of the professionals in the other video. Listen to Daniel Negraneu's explanation of poker cheats. Period
@@l.h.tnguyen4916 she's not going to fuck you, bro
@@l.h.tnguyen4916 yah because rich or successful people never cheat or do shady stuff right? Not saying she did cheat but acting like it's not possible because of her profession or wealth is insane. If you believe that tho, then I have a nail from Jesus' cross, available for 1 million dollars. You can make down payments if you wish.
Thank you Doug for your integrity
This is a silly video by Doug. Reality stretching to try to find some cheating. Vibrating chair? Tells that don’t exist. Just nonsense
The #1 problem with this video, is that Doug assumes that Robbi thinks like a professional poker player. Maybe she doesn't. So while her behaviour might seem irrational to a high stakes pro, it might seem completely rational to a completely irrational recreational player.
Will you throw in 100k playing high stake poker in this situation just for recreation? She is not a whale and even recreational player will not make this kind of decisions.
After the game was over, the guy who was working in the truck and saw the hole card cameras walked right up and took $15,000 out of Robbi's stack and left. That's the end of the discussion right there. It was dirty as can be.
The #1 problem with this video is that Doug is a victim of cheating. So there’s already prejudice. From the get go he was never objective or unbiased.
@@princevalencia8816Who cares? The hole card guy literally took money from Robbi after the game. How much more do you need to see?
But you don't have to be a professional to think this way, it's quite basic to anyone that plays poker. He is actually not going very deep here with analysis. And if you don't have at least that level of understanding you just wouldn't be playing these stakes as you'd get absolutely obliterated. So yeah, that doesn't stack up what you're saying. I can only assume you just don't play poker yourself.
I think they should install a licenced device at every streaming table which delays video 5 minutes before it sends forward to the streaming room. So they can prevent this kind of cheating.
This is done in chess for the same reason. It should definitely be done for poker.
as far as im aware all streamed tourneys or cash are always delayed, and more than 5 minutes! tournaments like goliath are on either a 15 min or 30 min delay
@@vinces8030 delayed before it gets streamed live, but they are not delayed before it's reaches the controll room
It should store and delay ALL data, probably for 15 minutes b/c that is how long some really long hands last.
@vince s that delay is to the audience. The backroom staff have instant access
My biggest question is if she was cheating why get it all in on a flip?
She is up 100g last time too
That’s my point !!
I didn’t know if I could trust a man with a Brett Farve poster. Glad you fixed that
What I noticed at 10:40, it seems like she does this obvious "let me scratch my face" thing on purpose, to distract him from the fact that she is about to cheat him for a huge amount.
She made a lot of questionable plays during her time at the table 1. wasting a time chip knowing her hand was beat 2. not showing her hand when both went all in at the turn 3. calling with jack high 4. giving the money back to Garrett to avoid controversy and conflict
@@nsbdbsbsbdbzbz8555 where did he confirm this, link
@@nsbdbsbsbdbzbz8555 Where can we confirm this?
There are lots of hands that these poker players Hollywood
Setting up for future hands ... don't wanna give away tells
Whatever reason they want
5 seconds of fame on live stream
U better have proof when u accused someone of cheating
But why would she cheat for a 50 50 pot that’s what I don’t get
@@nsbdbsbsbdbzbz8555 Okay I just listened to that part, he didnt ask the money back. One of the line Ryan told nick was "robbi said what can do to make this better? and Ryan said he heard "Well, you can give me the money back". Therefore, she did offered first and he told her to give the money back cause he felt like he was cheated. 4 different stories and inconsistency. Anyways, everything happened too fast for anyone to think it through whats the perfect move, G man was furious and acted impulsively and sort of making her feel like she's at fault at that moment.
She was way too comfortable and confident for having nothing. Everything points to foul play
This. This guy gets it.
Facts bro if I called all in with Jack high I would b freaking out.
Facts. Even Billionnaires like the doordash guy seem more stressed calling bets... with actual showdown value. Realistically for a billionnaire 100k is like nothing but yeah just look at that girl's face. So much plastic surgery, obviously she has a screw loose. I've seen guys do terrible calls like this in 10$ home games and they weren't cheating, they just sucked. So yeah it's hard to pick a side, she could be comfortable simply because she's clueless. But then again if you watch her history she seems to understand the basics of poker so yeah I lean towards cheating as well.
Cheating someone out of over $100k wouldn't really give me feelings of being comfortable and confident. The fact is there is no hard evidence she cheated. "No one would play like this" is not evidence. People behave oddly sometimes.
@@austinbux she could have totally not cheating I understand. I just think her body language is suspicious for such a huge bet and to have Jack high with a terrible kicker
it's an extremely weird time to risk everything even if you knew his cards
Thats why the signal that she was infront makes so much sense vs she knew what he had.
It's not risky if you know what the river card is either though...just sayin.
Good point
right, he could won one or both races when they ran it twice.
"Most people are idiots" best line ever , i love you 😂
6:00 "oh shit, this chair doesn't have a fuckin' seatbelt" I died and my corpse wrote this 🤣
Poker is easy when i can see her cards. -Garrett Adelstein
NO ONE, is calling 130k bet with Jack high against a solid pro like Garrett unless you know the cards he's holding, the accusations are indefensible
It's called "a bluff". Perhaps you've heard of it?
@@Chris_Harris So you would call that?
The point that people are missing is that she very well could have made a decision to push a terrible bluff. I kind of get to hating people who get so stuck up in min raises and ranges and logical hands to play in certain situations and using Game Theory Optimized and everything else,
Why? It doesn't take into consideration mistakes, weirdness, or just terrible play. I've watched hours of people debating how she played the fripping hand and people aren't just getting that she could have just played a hand that doesn't make sense if you can't acknowledge that people have a right to play a hand that doesn't make sense.
What I don't like is how she was attacked. Could she have cheated? Of course. Did she cheat? There's no evidence other than a weird hand. But after all of that, a whoooole bunch of people are harassing her with no evidence. She was attacked on the table enough that she thought she had to give the hand back because people couldn't accept that she did a weird play.
And that's it. She could have cheated, but without evidence, you must default to her just playing a weirdassed hand.
And with Doug and all others basically looking at pimples on her hand and wondering if they are listening devices, it just makes this worse. WITHOUT EVIDENCE.@@DigiTensei
@@Chris_Harris no no…it’s more likely that her entire chair is vibrating and someone hacked into the system and no one can hear the vibration and she’s sleeping with other players…lol
@@rreznor660 Ever jumped your foot under the table? It's a nervous tic but much larger. Makes the entire chair vibrate.
I am VERY sure that if anything is cheating for her, it's not a a device that makes an entire chair jump.
As for sleeping with other players, so? Most of those nerds couldn't catch a pussy in a pet store. They should be glad they're being able to throw her a bone. I mean, look at her...I'd screw that 8 days a week and 10 times on Sunday.
Sorry, but there's no proof. None. No little earpiece. No wire and a box pulled out of her coat. No guy on the rail with alternating eye twitches in her direction. No team of card spies. No high tower shoes with a vibrator in the heel. Nobody on the rail with a book open that has a view of half the table's cards that just happens to be learning sign language. No dealer dealing off the bottom.
NOTHING other than the fact that a woman who might not be as confident as she looks is getting pressured the fuck out by the rest of the players on the table. If anything, the evidence is that other players unduly pressured her to feel like she needed to return the pot. Of that, there is LOADS of evidence.
I misread my hand once, thought I had a flush, called all in quads, turns out I had a straight flush…never, ever, ever did the thought enter my mind to give the money back
That call NEVER gets made in any legitimate circumstance.
If Garrett just raises and you want to go crazy with J4 then maybe you could bluff shove but Garrett has already shoved, all you can do is call and you know you're holding trash.
One thing I don't think you mentioned is after showdown Garrett asked Robbi why she made that call and she gave a confusing answer saying she believed Garrett just had ace high and he asked why she would call down a suspected ace high with a jack high.
whole thing stinks.
If she thought she had a pair of 3's then that beats ace high
@@Gbaby1214 Except DURING THE HAND she was asked if she had a 3 and said no.
@@superninja1984 this might surprise you to learn but sometimes people lie about the hands they have in live play because they don't want to tell the person they're playing what they really have
@@iajanus No that was after the action was over not during the hand.
@Fight Research Yeah its a non story that's why it's on main stream media outlets right now as a cheating scandal lmfao 🤡
she kept getting through the vibration that she was ahead. she raises him. he goes all in she calls because the pot has become big and she is ahead and she knows that. But she hadn't thought that she had to come up with a very good story to explain that call. then she start to realize that and starts to stress. And she starts to bla bla talk and say yes do riverr 2 turns because she knew. shit this is getting so unbelievable. they're going to find out I'm cheating for sure. that's what i think happened.

The plan was to win, but the hand got out of hand, and winning become too important, no matter how bad it looked. She is not smart enough to think ahead of how awful this will look on the stream.
she was ahead when he had a flush/straight flush/straight draw? get real, man. no one is sending her vibration signals to go in on that one.
Except the video even shows her at 53 to 47 LOSING. She would have had to guess two cards too.
Garret could also have had qj
@@MichaelAChristian1 you don’t understand, wow.
The chair vibrating would be from tapping her foot. That's more of an oscillation than a vibration, and if the theory is some kind of on-person vibrating device, it wouldn't have such a long period between vibrations or be that strong
Isn't just as likely that on a table of players that in the main stick to the rules and AVG that to win she has choosen a different strategie against these players
She did an interview with Faraz Jaka after she started at HCL but before the thursday game. She mentions the face scracting thing was something people told her was a tell after they saw her on stream, so it is something she had talked about before and it makes sense she would try to invert it. But yes, the insane part is that she still called.
Faraz is her coach. No surprise if he knew she was cheating
Robbies husband says she is a very smart woman who is curing cancer. Anyone who who thinks this woman is smart, is either a liar or stupid.
@@Kingflet24 So Faraz is a cheater?
I wanted to smash my head against a wall when she said well I thought you were bluffing and had A high lmao Garrett says oh okay right so why call with J high!!??
Rationale could be that since Garrett did not have a pair that she was not drawing dead when she called and could hit either a backdoor flush, back door straight or hit a pair.
If he had A high then she had 2 live cards against it
@@iused2BAfireman but on the turn there were no possible straights or flushes for her hand.
@@kbend she said that it was a brick (which it was) and she didn't believe he had shit....not to mention with his re-pop he gave her no credit for any type of hand...plus his overbite shove screamed he did not yet have a made hand (why shake your fish off the hook?) AND, BTW, she was slightly ahead in the river flip! Why is he a victim? Seems she "read" him correctly...If Garret or dNegs made the same call everyone would be amazed at their great "poker instincts!"
@@iused2BAfireman theyd never make such an awful call that will lose you millions in the long run.
When I was new I folded way too much because I assumed everybody always had it. now it's funny when you see people who are notorious for bluffing and they get called, they act all indignant. well you laugh about all your bluffs, you're gonna get called😂
"Oh shit, this seat doesn't have a fkn seatbelt" 😅
The chair vibration thing is hilarious. What device would vibrate an entire chair and person and at that slow of frequency? Motor stocks through the roof.
yah this was a very stupid point when he showed her mid section shaking...a small device wouldn't do this much shaking lol...she was moving her leg at her foot level that's all this was lol
So funny must of been a big ducking device 😂
I think she might have been shaking her leg…..try it?
Rumor has that both her legs are prosthetic and the device is in both of the legs hence the chair vibration 🤣
@@Bo88y22 of course that's what she was doing
If she’s smart enough to develop this team to help her cheat, you’d think they would be smart enough to realize winning hands like this would be huge red flags and would avoid it.
Thats what im saying. why would you cheat to win that hand? she's a noob player and a good player tried to outsmart her but she's not smart enough player to out smart
Thank you. Plus all these guys are analyzing from a poker strategy perspective instead of a psychological perspective. All her behavior to me looks authentically like someone who was tired of being bullied and called out of emotion and couldnt get her story straight cause she knows it looks dumb and shes embarrassed.
she isnt. she didnt come up with it. she is the face of it and all she knows is "you have the best hand" or "you dont have the best hand"
That's absurd. That's like saying their are no stupid criminals.
if you think the torso can vibrate like that from tapping Your foot, do a test , sit down in a chair and tap ur foot to where the knee doesnt move like Hers clearly isnt moving and the torso still vibrates like that. It doesnt. A foot tap doesnt vibrate the torso at all , and if it did, You would have Your knee moving vigorously
Now she starring on your Lodge... why you change your story Doug...For views?
WOW! I'm a technician, and when you show her supposedly "tapping her foot" and her belt was moving, I very quickly realized that even if her foot was tapping, the movement of the belt and the device attached to her belt in the back were moving "independent" of the rest of the body reacting to the movements. Meaning, the "origin" of that movement was centered around that device. Not from her leg coming up into her midsection.
I played it back about 30 times because I wanted to be damn sure I saw what I saw and there is a great distinction. Anyone who wants to press this issue forward legally, I'd HIGHLY SUGGEST letting an expert see this one particular side angle and giving you their opinion. But to me, there's enough distinction in independent movement to justify/warrant an investigation.
HOWEVER upon another examination, there could be an alternative explanation. Sometimes these players, because of long hours of sitting, will use a back massager that is electronic. This very well could be an electronic back massager. However, that too could be an excuse and it looked to come on "independent" of her selecting a switch. So it could still be the signaler and a well placed excuse that it was just a back massager.
The guy RIP last night said he was backing her and wanted to play in all the pots she was in. I dont think he said it thinking, it just came out. Well if hes trying to get into every pot shes in and its his money its basically RIP & Robbi against whoever else is in the hand. Anyone that is being 100% honest never changes their story because they dont have to remember the lie.
Maybe this why she is making high risk, high reward move since the pot is large. And thinking the outcome might be a split! And only 50% of her money is at stake & she is in profit! This doesnt mean she is cheating. All is mean that she is comfortable in Losing the hands financially and not going for broke! I do the same too, when I am winning at POKER ...I'll go ALL-IN with STupid hands for a BINGO because the pot is so BIG! ....:) --we take out the LOGIC!
They are dating also. Which I don't think you should be allowed to play with someone you are dating, atleast in cash since you can't control table draws in tournaments. Even family is iffy. I've played tournaments with my Dad, and when at the same table, I'm not trying to collude, but I don't want to take all his chips either.
@@denisfolcik1373 Is she not married?
@@denisfolcik1373 He has a wife and she has a husband if Im not mistaken. The only one saying they are dating is Doug and he is crediting "unnamed sources" which is terrible style and slander. There are bigger poker couples in the poker world that have sat on the same final table together in high stakes tournaments without scandals.
@@elinonbjartalid807 Tournaments are way different than cash, especially high stakes cash.
Occam's Razor is she didn't cheat. I was initially on that side. So... damn I hate to say this but... past few days just casually checking hands, I can actually see a way there's a cheat in play. Basically, I just mean there's a pattern. Which could mean absolutely nothing at all, but it is a pattern. I have a long list of notes with specific times but I'll truncate it here:
Her time chip is the signal. That's literally all there is to it lol. Whenever she gets into a dangerous hand, the time chip is her signal out, she receives an answer, and is literally never wrong. She is not wrong a single time using a time chip. She makes something like $220k+ off the time chip plays and avoids a ton in losses.
That in and of itself isn't a smoking gun, but we're trying to think like a cheater here, and this is where a 2nd pattern emerges: the curious part is there's typically only about 5-10s after using the time chip when she makes a decision. And on two occasions she pops a time chip before she's even asked for time, and then she still takes only 5-10s to make a decision, making the time chip pointless. The only time she uses a time chip realistically is "The Hand", but in that one I kinda feel her demeanor actually changes quite quickly after that chip goes in.
I dunno. Just putting an iron in the fire, or stoking it, or pissing on it, whatever. Also, for the chairspiracists out there, her chair wiggles almost every time after using a chip lol. I don't think it's her chair btw, but an EMS causing spasms is feasible. I do think on one vid her chair wobbles very quickly yet her legs aren't even moving. I dunno what to make of that. Also, Rip DOES NOT know what the hands are. After the first Jack-high fold, she's actually caught on camera mouthing "Jack high" across the table to Rip. So he's an interested party and if there's cheating he's almost certainly involved because he staked her, but he's not the tech side of it. He could absolutely be the one who signals her the times to play the actual signal as she does look at him constantly, but again only a pattern (and not an uncommon one for players who know each other playing at the same table).
Edit: btw, if you'd like to see what got me chasing Time Chips, it's this one on the 2nd day. Puts time chip in. Chair wiggles. Calls. Swish.
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And this one just for funsies. She looks like she physically vibrates lol, alternatively it could be the camera wobbling? The outright grimace could just be ol' regular poker, or is it? Is it the Zapruder film of the chairspiracy?
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The whole thing stinks... I mean she's basically being freerolled for this game to play against Garrett and Phil Ivey..? You did some good homework here as well 👍...
Nice theory. The speed she calls after putting in the time chip on the first one is just plain weird, why play the time chip then immediately call?
The second one was a solid fold, I didn't see a vibrate personally, but then no vibration may mean fold?
I think Hanlon's razor is more specific to this situation.
I have no idea how anyone could come to the conclusion of fair play. No one on earth would make that call except for Mike postle. It's one of those terrible decisions that gives you up because it's so obvious.
So now all you have to do is look at how many time chips that ALL players have used and figure out what their correct play percentage is.
For example: if a player (cheater) has used 100 time chips and they chose the correct play to call or fold, then I imagine that percent would be quite high, like 90%. It's probably closer to 95%
A legit player would be lucky to be 75% after 100 time chip plays, so look for 90-95% - and 100% obviously would be a no brainer for cheating.
That's how you find the cheaters. Easy.
What is the time delay in those broadcasts? The tank could be a result of the time delay
Great analysis 👍🏻
i went back and watched the HCL stream from the beginning, and wanted to point out that RIP/Robbi were sitting in there seats 30 mins before play with no one else at the table. I just thought this was interesting, and have no clue wtf happened that night.
Casinos have cameras literally everywhere. If they rigged the table somehow they will be busted for that very soon. I'm doubtful there is anything to find with them arriving early.
Interesting.
Great video thanks for some sanity in this matter!
One thing WPT needs to start is no sunglasses, no watches, no jewellery, earrings, hats, hair clips basically sterlize all the players it would help eliminate some of the doubt of devices being used
no idea but i reckon something vibrating that much would make an audible noise
Doug, you may be overthinking this. "Do not attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." Robbi doesn't want to admit she made a stupid play, so she's making up stories. Garrett doesn't want to admit he got owned by a stupid play, so he's convinced himself that she's cheating. All the rest of the drama follows from two egotists who are refusing to back down. As for the new "evidence" of cheating... c'mon, dude. You know it's weak at best.
That’s like the opposite of Ocham’s Razor
Gman blocked me on twitter I confronted him about the way he was treating Poker Bunny. It looks like he is in the wrong here too.
That Doug didnt actually point out in one of her "cheating" hands in the video, Robbi actually called a 10,000 bet from Garrett AFTER she was now drawing dead to his full house is just bad. Are we supposed to think she torched 10,000 so she can prove later she makes bad calls? Oh wait, i've given the poker bros a new conspiracy to trace.
@@daniels8496 It's been done before.
@@DrakeEastwood what did he do to bunny?
"Ahhh, much better" at 1:04 where Doug gets rid of the Favre picture off the wall. Good job Doug!!! Can't condemn cheaters while having a picture of the guy that cheated the poor of Mississippi out of millions of dollars. Kudos!!!!
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Favre is a legend, and his Wrangler commercials prove that
At the 1:15 mark, you say most people are idiots. Your info paragraph has Robbi Jade Lew incorrectly named as Bobbi Jade Lew.
The beginning of this video is exactly like the current Chess situation. I’m so happy to hear you say all of that.
Hans niemann is a confirmed and self admitted cheater playing at engine level accuracy that far exceed the great chess players of all time. Robbi just called an all in while behind. These are not the same things
I'm not saying this is how she is getting signals, but hear me out, this might be a way it could be done.
There are adult toys that vibrate and can be controlled remotely with a phone. All she has to do is insert an adult toy in her and whomever has the info on the live cards has control of the remote. You can make custom vibration settings that could indicate to her what to do, i.e. fold, raise, call, or fold. Just a theory on how it could be done
Ha ha ha 😊
there should be a jammer that detects and disconnects any sort of wireless transmitter on the poker table.....
If she were cheating, wouldn't it make more sense for her to fold? He has more equity than her. Technically, he was more likely to win than she was.
When RIP asked Joey to explain how a cheating device would work, I think he was laughing in his head while Joey explained. It’s like when people commit a crime and then show up to ‘help’ solve it, knowing they were actually involved.
This is why a lot of guilty people talk to police detectives... they're interested in finding out what they know.
A criminal always returns to the scene of a crime.....unless you're Mike Postle
That RIP interview made me think that a) he was definitely in on it, and b) he's incredibly stupid, maybe one IQ point higher than forest gump. Edit: 3) he's definitely having an affair with her and the husband is just now finding out.
@@JohnSmith-su3ze No they don't, lol.
@@l.h.tnguyen4916 Often they do. Its an old saying for a reason
The shaking looked like she’s tapping her foot or something.
Except when her legs have been zoomed in on when this was happening, as on the Solve For Why take on this, her legs aren't moving. Try using your legs to get your abdomen to move like that without your legs moving.
@@michaellarson9016 You can't see her legs properly. But also, what vibrator is THAT strong? And that slow, it would have to be super strong and have very, very slow vibrations.
@@mplovecraft I believe they have different speed settings.
@@XiagraBalls It would have to be incredibly slow to have like 2-3 shakes per second. A phone vibrator is 100-200 shakes per second. For it to be that slow and still generate enough power to move her and the chair like that it would also have to be very big and powerful and probably quite loud.
It's not what I would have picked. She's either the dumbest high stakes player of all time or the dumbest cheater of all time :)
@@XiagraBalls I'd like to add that while I think it's possible that she cheated, I just don't believe it was advanced with hacking and vibrators. Rip, her staker, might have seen Garrets hand and signalled to her to call. Simple, and still cheating.
You can tell that Doug does not play with random dudes in homes leagues. We make these plays all the time. Iv seen plays like this 40 times a night at home games. Keep in mind... Robbi is a recreational player, she's not a pro...
Here let me summarize his arguments:
1. You simply assume away the fact that she *definitely* has access to information about the cards from some external source...Uh what? "Some way or another she's getting information."
2. "There's a vibrator in her chair." I just tapped my foot and it shook the back of my chair noticeably without shaking my torso/upper legs. Not to mention the fact that vibrators *make* noise. This kind of thing would be easy to pull-off with an actual mini-vibrator in a very specific place (you know where) and it would definitely not shake the entire chair...
3. "She doesn't play how I/the pros *think* she ought to play." Holy shit - welcome to human psychology and poor decision making in a game with incomplete information. This argument is pure conjecture.
4. "She uses double-reverse psychology, which is rare" Okay, cool? She's free to do that? It doesn't matter how "rare" it is?
5. Misreading her hand: wow - imagine misreading your hand or even misspeaking in a stressful/high stakes situation. "It's IMPOSSIBLE to misread your hand!" Lol, what? Do I even need to respond to this?
As if the lack of evidence wasn't enough, Occam's razor says she's not cheating. There are more assumptions you have to make in order for her to be cheating than for her to be just be playing dumb/randomly.
Why are poker analysts always to reluctant to admit that there's still sooo much luck involved in the game?
No evidence whatsoever, but Garrett's fans and butt buddies still claiming she cheated. It's so lame.
It makes way more sense that she started with, "I'm a boss, call you Jack high!!!!!" because she genuinely doesn't understand why that's not a thing. This is evidenced by all her explanations, which make no sense whatsoever.
Then Rip, or someone told her, "Hey you can't say you thought you were good there" because that person does know enough to realize this. So then she switches to I thought I had a pair of 3's.
BUTTTTT, even after that she's flip flopping her story in conversations with Joey and Deeb, why? Because the truth is, as shown, she KNEW she had Jack high. So she's slipping when she says that, but realizes oops, and quickly jumps back onto the narrative of "I thought I had J3".
This kills me because I love poker, and no matter the outcome of this, I feel this hurts the game.
She also said I have a blocker as if she knew garretts hand
@@bigbarra199 she said that at the table right? I just caught an little sliver of Joey’s stream where they were showing the hand and I thought she said I have a blocker during the hand. That’s really sus.
@@bigbarra199 It makes zero sense. She sputters that it gave her a backdoor st and (non-nut) flush draw, but then GMan correctly says 'But you called on the turn'. And having a Jc in her hand can only mean she knew he didn't have QcJc so what does she think he's shoving with? More likely a hand that he's protecting (an overpair, T or a 9 or a better flush draw (AcQc, AcKc).
presenting counter arguments, brings a tear to my eye. this guys is better at reporting poker news than 99% of journalists report news
Yeah Doug’s the best. So much better than Joey whom I find is incredibly annoying with his screechy voice and fake drama 🙄
How is it cheating if adelstein was up and she said to run it twice. If she was cheating wouldn't the right move be to fold
@@clemguerrero6582 huh? Sorry I don’t follow you. She was ahead at the time although mathematically she might have been a flip or a marginal dog, J high was winning
Agreed
Now days journalists are garbage anyway, like all mainstream media it’s fake!
Vibrating body and chair? Really? That is beyond stupid.
Who on planet earth doesn't occasionally tap their foot or jiggle their legs when nervous????
Seriously Doug...you lost all credibility there.
Damn Polk back bring receipts. Glad to see you back.
The most compelling evidence of her cheating is the fact that she gave the money back to Garret.
And the scumbag took it
Yes because she could have easily lost both rivers
He’s obviously not going to give her money back if he wins.
She knows she is busted.
why should u give it back when u cheated? dumb af
From a psychology perspective she was taunting him a bit too much.
Why is that water bottle on the table (is that a diversion bottle)?
Doug, did you buy and wear the same shirt Robbi wore for effect?
There is evidence of her playing hands badly, losing big pots, zero physical proof of cheating, etc. It's definitely POSSIBLE, but unfortunately Garrett needs to man up, pay the money back, and then take it up with HCL if he thinks there is a flaw in their security. Doug saying "I keep thinking of a time I got cheated" is literally saying "I'm biased".
Damn right !
I dont think its bias when you know doug most possible have broken down almost all diff. Hands in all diff. Spots and hes only time seeing this kinda move was when he got cheated him self. Remember this isnt a 500$ pot its freeking 135k. Dude.
@@Waizing it’s a 270k pot bruh
@@TheLuozhixiang youre right but its a 135.000 call
@@Waizing it’s cheating bro. She’s using rfid which will enable her to know she has the winning hand
Good report Doug. The only thing that I keep coming back to is how/why would you cheat in a spot that would be so obvious? Even if she is too naïve to understand this, I would think that whoever she is working with could see how obvious it would appear. Only reason I could see then would be that her co- conspirator purposely hung her out.
Goes out the window when you have money on your mind.
Not only obvious, but not even a good gamble. She was technically behind on the odds. Why risk everything on a coinflip?
Well, a cheater's gotta cheat
Because she wasn’t cheating. Nobody, not even a real moron, would be involved in cheating on a situation where she would call with jack high. Robbi is smarter than that.
@@MrJamberee - She is obviously NOT smarter than that. That's like several years ago when the Buffalo Bills were getting beaten by everyone they went up against and every Monday the quarterback - Drew Bledsoe - would do a press conference where he would say 'We've gotta tighten up our defense' or some such excuse. Then came a game where they lost by only 3 points in a nail-biter and the coach comes on tv and says' Well, tonight we proved that we CAN win a game.' No you didn't!! You still lost, you loser!!
I think the "vibrating chair" is a terrible take, Doug. That's just sewing machine leg. Most of us do this when we're sitting and we're nervous or thinking or bored. When we're done thinking we stop moving our leg and change tasks/focus. Also, if this was cheating via vibration, it would NEVER be so noticeable-her whole body is shaking! It would be seen by other players immediately.
This guy saying people are idiots with their opinions while giving an opinion. If there is no real facts/evidence of cheating, then stop acting like she’s a cheater.
this just makes me realize we only catch the sloppy cheaters. think about how many cheaters slid by.
A ton of 😂
But it only works in a RIF streamed game. So its most likely not a problem for you.
@@danieldaak3082 true
Most pros have stories of cheating in private games that aren't at a casino. Gman has a ton of them.
Tons and tons. Same with serial killers. The sloppy ones do shit that makes you think they almost want to get caught. Tons and tons are never that arrogant and stupid and don't get caught.
I've been playing for 15 years and never seen a call for a huge pot, where the person thought they were beat.
She clearly says, she thought he had Ace high and was bluffing. To where Garrett correctly replies, "so you called with Jack high????"
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I think she looked at the hand after she called. I could be mistaken. Not really wanting to see it again because I have my own opinion of what happened and its actually the only thing that makes sense. Even cheating she doesnt do what she did with her excuses. Misread (yep she looked) and thought Garret was bluffing. If I knew the cards in his hand, I wouldnt flip for 100K there. You wouldnt either.
At one point she seemed to be overly trying to hide her midsection looking uncomfortable at how much she is leaning over to cover her stomach
Wow. I just saw the hand on the top hands of the year and am more convinced of the “men can’t handle being beaten by women”. Dude had missed draws with a high card of 9 and can’t believe he lost. Good grief!
What I don't understand is.....
If they had the capability to 'cheat' in this way, why did they choose to do it for such a large sum of money, in a situation where Robbi was only a 47% chance to win...?? This doesn't make sense at all.
I’m just loving the content from Doug and Joey 🤣
Except Doug's is libelous.
Hello Doug, here is one for you! I never saw rips face when Robbi turned over the hand. If it was a normal boyfriend or banker, their eyes are going to fall out of their head, thinking wtf were you doing woman.
You should take his crypto investing advice too.
Joey Ingram aka Chicago Joey aka PapiGTO along with Tank Top Doug Polker, bringing us the good news the truth the remedy, Aye yai yai
Let’s also add the fact she said, “I thought you had A high” and Gman says “soooo you called?” and then more lies
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that her story all along has been that she thought she had j3 , not j4? I mean I realize there is some evidence this is not true bc she did appear to look at her cards during the all in but nevertheless, it does provide the necessary context for the ‘a high’ comment.
@@jumpingbombangels2856 she also said after the hand I don't have a three.
@@kevinshen I'm pretty sure she was responding to someone else who asked if she had pocket 3's. It's also possible that she misread her hand in the moment but then later realized she made a mistake. Crazier things have happened at poker tables.
@@jumpingbombangels2856 she also said she had nothing but a bluff catcher. 3 3's is not a bluff catcher. I honestly think she is just a terrible player and had no idea how bad of a call that was.
Not everyone thinks the same way about poker. Some people play more intuitively, some people don’t know the math, some don’t have extensive experience, some have not play a million hours of poker online and learned all the strategies. You can’t know what someone else is thinking. Someone less knowledgeable and less experienced can still have balls enough to bluff their way through anything. And even a broken clock is right twice a day. I’ve always wondered if I got on to one of these tables, you’d probably think I was cheating or something due to my lack of poker knowledge and skill! 😊
Pretty sure the vibrating is her tapping her foot. My wife does it constantly. Any "vibrating" cheat indicator that shook her whole body and/or chair would be overkill I would think. But I still think she was getting info from somewhere. That hand made NO SENSE to any human on the planet. Using the time chip while "tanking" on whether to call an all-in with Jack high tells me she was waiting for someone or something to tell her what to do. Just my humble opinion.
I agree. You forgot the part where she gave the money back. And why isn't she happy that she made a huge call. She knows the story dont make sense and she should have folded
Mike Postle never gave the money back, does that mean he was innocent? Nah bro, you cant have it both ways.
@@carpetbilly Garrett probably wouldn't get it either if he didn't take it right now and then. Which was-guess what-Robbi's idea!
She had absolutely no reaction when she was supposed to realize that she won the hand, almost like she already knew that she was ahead!
@@carpetbilly Postle also wasn't called out for cheating at the table like she was. It was only after the fact when people posted videos online with proof that it was agreed upon that Postle cheated.
When you say she responded "no" to another player asking if she had a 3 there is also a player suggesting she can show her hand at very close to the same time, she could very plausibly be responding "no" to that suggestion.
What about the „pure bluff-catcher“ then?
no she was going to turn her hand over and then looked to see if garrett was going to show and when she saw he was not she put her cards back
She had Jack/3 the previous hand. People keep missing this. I think it's very relevant. Can't be coincidence. She's just dumb and probably misread her hand, thinking the 3 was good.
She’s allowed to deny information on her hand mid play. It’s poker.
the guy says "pocket 3" to which she says "no i have a bluff catcher"
Has there ever been a verdict on this? Personally I didn’t think she was cheating, but would love to know if it’s been settled
Yeah, I never even seen any actual evidence she was cheating. So, I doubt anything came of this. All they really have is her making a hero call with a weak hand. Something the other person was doing also. She just happened to be the one that won. Btw, I've also seen Polk make tons of hero calls also. Yet, we don't think he is cheating.
Personally, I think she just made a soul read on him. Which isn't that surprising since they were business partners at the time and she probably knew him very well and played against him all the time. It's also probably why she offered to give the money back. I know I would if it meant possibly saving a friendship... and especially if it meant saving a profitable business relationship. At least in the heat of the moment that would be my knee jerk reaction to do. I know an actual cheat certainly wouldn't offer to give that money back unless they knew they had been caught red handed... which obviously she hadn't been, considering we are still sitting here debating it.
I know this is fairly old, but I just saw this. If you look at the moment at 12:10 Doug is saying that she leans forward so that you can't see if her middle is shaking/vibrating. However if you watch her head closely between 12:10 and 12:15 you can see that her head is shaking at the same speed/frequency that Doug showed earlier when her middle was showing.
Riddle me this. How do we know that Garrett did not know Robbie's hand and think that she could not call based on knowing her cards? If so the Prick thinks he got double crossed. Maybe that is why he saw a ghost. It is possible in my opinion. I realize a bluff shove with outs has become sort of standard but that does not make it unimpeachible. Also, Robbie could have wasted a time chip on a previous hand just to slow the bully down. If Garrett was your suspect you could find all sorts of strange plays by him. Also lying about your hand or strategy on the poker table is standard. People claiming that incorrect statements made by her on or around the poker table is strong evidence are just laughable. If you started with a bias that Garrett was a likely cheater who has won consistently on the show you could come up with all sorts of suspicious play. A comprehensive investigation should also look at Garrett's play over time. You could come up with suspicion against almost anyone who has ever made a move. Is this whole thing scripted after the chess situation to cause a stir?
how is our hero, GMAN, not put her on a misread J3?
You're talking out of your rec arse.
I am glad someone else caught this. His move in was a very risky play against someone who called flop, raised turn. If you give her a Ten (weakest legitimate hand raise) and she found a call. His move in would cost 40k since his equity against a 10 is 35%. if she has a 9, it falls to 30%. If she has t9 its almost nothing. So he wants a fold to win 40K pot at that point. So he is risking 140 to win 40k pot which might cost him more than 40k against someone saying they have a hand through a turn raise. What does he think it means if a recreational player calls a flop and mini raises turn. I have played holdem for 35 years in casinos. I think thats more a sign of having a big hand hoping for a move in than a j4 bluff.
I havent done the specific math but in rough math terms, he has to be sure she folds more than 50% of the time to break even UNLESS he knows that she is holding j4. The play of the hand provides greater evidence that he is cheating than her.
@@benjaminsarnoff8583 thinking way too hard on this.. ivey already debunked this an hour after it happened. she had J3 in her mind
Garret went to talk to the floor managers & accused her of cheating. She offered to Garret to give him the money back if it's going to make him happy & play. Garret said yes give me the money back, forced her to give him the chips back, & left the table like a sore loser. She didn't give him the money back because she cheated, she gave it to him because she didn't give a f about the money. The money was nothing to her. She's just a typical woman who runs off emotions & genuinely is a caring sweet heart female. & Also cares more about having Garret, Andy, & Phil Ivey staying at the table because it'll market her more & give her more publicity. Garret lost all the respect in the world to me after this hand. Daniel Negeranu, Phil Ivey, even HELLMUTH would never do such a thing like this
One thing I think you missed - she calls and says "I have a pure bluff catcher" when in fact J high is not a bluff catcher. A bluff catcher would be a 9 or a 3 or A high. J high is only bluff catching exactly Garett's hand.
Nah I think you misinterpreting that. She says that as an answer to if her hand was as good as low pockets. I think she said that to mean shes just calling Garrett's bluff.
@@ieatstheinternet Except her hand literally is only a bluff catcher for absolute trash, regardless of what she said or meant to say. She's losing to any made hand, any Ax, Kx, Qx or Jx (except J2). People are right to be suspicious. Absolutely terrible call. I think the only response that would've been satisfactory would have been "that was a terrible call by me, but I got very lucky (that your bluff was that weak)".