SHOCKING CHEATING SCANDAL: AI Bots On A Major Poker Site
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- Опубликовано: 4 янв 2024
- Once again a new cheating scandal rocks the world of online poker, in both tournaments and no limit hold'em cash games. This time it's on America's Card Room, where a user on the twoplustwo forum has sounded the alarm about an alleged bot ring. There are hundreds of suspected accounts, playing in over a million tournaments, and winning nearly $10,000,000. ACR has responded and even issued a cash reward for anyone who can bypass their security.
Original thread: forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29... 
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As a live player who has never played online, this doesn't directly effect me. That being said, anything that is bad for the game, is bad for us all. We do care. Thank you for what you do Doug.
pkr always bin about scumbags but this now took all live and fun out of the game
This is great for the live game
How have you never played online?
@@mrm5183 you're far, far more likely to be cheated live than you are online.
😂😂😂😂😂😂@@brandonmifsud17😂😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine running a poker site and your own bot farm on that site and handle the "security" yourself as well. What a great business would that be.
add to that a rigged rng so 90% of the time when you go all in with 80%+ equity on the turn, the bots magically hit their cards
@@jefferthomason5591👌
LOL You are just getting unlucky. I get you are a winning player. Keep trying.@@jefferthomason5591
Ohh Full Tilt already did that..
@@jefferthomason5591 Acr is so rigged for action its ridiculous. Over 2 years my AK, AQ, of AJ vs A trash all in preflop was a 53% win rate. That isnt a coincidence.
As a retired IT Security person, Chris's $100,000 offer for creating a bot that can play $5,000 hands on their site is completely misguided. They're putting real players and real money at risk on a live site. You never, ever, do that kind of thing on a live Production site. You do it on a Sandbox system. That system would be a copy of your Production system, with all master data obfuscated. (Master data being things like user accounts. They'd be replaced with fake data. That's not difficult). Then, people can be given standard access to the Sandbox and try to demonstrate that their bots will work, without harming real users.
It’s all rigged. Casinos/card rooms too
Thanks for the insight though!
Not a bug bounty program. Malicious activity needs to be mixed with legitimate activity, otherwise the detection test is useless.
I'm a current software developer, and as I type this I'm playing a MTT on ACR from a VM that I'm remoted into. I play freeroll and low stakes, but the idea that they don't have active vulnerabilities in their code is wild.
@@MrWallydo ACR has changed the rules and no longer allows us to play using a VM. I exclusively used VM's on my linux box as they don't support linux. They told me I could no longer use a VM for security purposes. I replied I am more secure using VMS and linux rather than playing on a windows machine and they disagree. However they have no plans to support linux in the future.
I lived myself a cheating experience from ACR. While I was playing in France, they let me play until I ran out of money. Then they suspended my account saying that France is a banned country. Why can't they tell me from the beginning ? Why can't they just block my log in if France is a banned country??? No, they want to take all your money first, then they let you know. It's a big scam to me.
Online poker is completely dead as a viable way to play the game. It's just getting worse and it's not going to get better.
I've never trusted online poker. The volume and frequency of bad beats made me suspect. Party Poker was the worst.
Remember when people used to get lambasted for suggesting online poker is rigged?
This has nothing to do with it being rigged?
@mumblez1369 I expected this comment but you know exactly what I mean by 'rigged' in this context
@@mumblez1369 Playing against AI = rigged
@@valuablesandwichbots have been a problem for a long time and most people who played knew that. This is, hopefully, the action of independent people that have no association with the WPN. While it is cheating, it doesnt mean that its rigged to make you lose. Thats like saying that call of duty is rigged because a player downloaded an aimbot and killed you. The context of online poker being "rigged" is that the rng is favorable to certain players. This has nothing to do with rng. Those are the guys who would, and still should, be berated for suggesting such. Now, if it comes out that the website itself is producing these bot farms then that would mean that it is rigged.
@@mumblez1369 How about you stop splitting hairs that don't need to be split and pretend you're a decent human being for a while?
A job at ACR sounds more like a threat than a reward
I knew the guy who was the head TD at WPN. “Head TD” bc he had like 2 ppl working for him lmao. It was such a 💩 show. Phil paid him maybe 50K/y and let him live w him in Costa Rica. When Phil wanted something, he’d override the TD. It usually went horribly. They had a falling out IIRC, I haven’t talked to him in over a year but he’d been working for a real site at that point for over 6mo minimum and was getting paid 2.5-3x the amount, and didn’t have to work 6-7 days a week 12 hour days. He also had like 5 guys working for him instead of 2 incompetent ppl who were paid like 20K/y. He was doing the structures, inputting them, doing the smallest stuff on top of being in charge of everything else. It was insane.
He made friends w a lot of poker players and took feedback bc he had to do everything by scratch basically. It was also all trial and error essentially. Phil does not care one ounce about poker or the community, I promise you that. It’s all about $ for him period. Pretty sure he didn’t actually own WPN, or at least didn’t have major equity in it. I think he was a highly paid CEO basically and it was owned by a big company who just let Phil run it bc it was printing $, they didn’t rly ask questions. Not sure if that’s changed or what, it’s been years.
The job is Manscaping Chris, boski, and the owner
I think a quote from War Games is appropriate here. "The only winning move is NOT to play." Playing online against bots and human hackers is insane.
How about a game of Global Thermonuclear War instead?
I've been on ACR for almost a year with a 200% roi on mtts. These bots are only better than the fish...
@marshallmcgill3513 no offense but I don't believe ANYBODY claiming they win (without cheating) on these websites.
@Boudica234 you have a bad attitude then because I'm telling you what I did... I deposited 100 dollars 6 times then got mad and bought some books and studied Game Theory... not just poker game theory but Von Neumann and morgensterm game theory. So you think I'm cheating because I studied the stuff Doug told us to on a deeper level than most people are willing to go into. I'm here to tell you this game is easy if you learn what I've learned. It's ego, self discipline, learning human behavior, then learning about Nash equilibrium and the math of expected value. Look up bernoulli and his interpretation of expected value then learn about utility function and tell me I'm cheating again.
@marshallmcgill3513 After reviewing ROI poker stats I find your claim dubious. A 20% ROI is considered very good. 30% is considered outstanding and would put u in the top 2% of all players. I read a stat from a few years ago that the BEST online tournament player in Britain had an ROI of 37%. So u will forgive me if I don't take your claim of 200% ROI seriously.
That 100k offer stood for about 2 hrs, someone showed up and said they have a working bot. Most likely they're just gonna show an older version of what they're running right now.
I'm absolutely sure that most regs who play nl50-200 cash games, even when you wake them up in the middle of the night while they're drunk, can just off the top of their head name at least 5-10 screennames who are very clearly bots. More often than not at 6-max tables there are 1-2 bots on each.
Now just imagine sites like Ignition where there are no screen names... It's basically a license to cheat because there is no record or paper trail.
@@SPQR_14ignition has lower bot count fersure. I’ve won consistently there for years now
Bro I’ve lost sooooo much money on ignition. I finally wised up
@@thaxbest2180no bro, anonymous accounts protect the players 🤡!
yeah no ur poor as shit there isn't bots in ur stakes
Should go headhunting for developers who have experience dealing with bots in games like RuneScape or World of Warcraft. They can add a bunch of checks for things like "is the mouse cursor moving around in patterns that are possible when moving a mouse in real life" and "is the click coming from a USB device/touchscreen and a normally behaving USB/touchscreen controller" to give bot makers some hurdles to jump over. Also, finding just one or two people running bots to sue would send a good message.
For the 100k challenge they should be very precise about what the bot needs to do and how. If all I have to do is make something that buys in to 1c/2c, folds hands until it's time to buy in again, and I can use an account that has had a real human playing on it for years, a Windows tablet that's running their software, a camera connected to a separate computer that's running the bot script, and a robotic arm on the other computer to touch the tablet as the only means of the bot directly sending commands to their software, then I think I could make something really hard to detect but they shouldn't be rewarding or hiring me for creating the worst poker bot of all time.
And no, I don't want to learn a new game every week and try play catch up with bots on who's learning a new game faster.
The two games you mentioned are the two most bot infested games in the industry rn. It’s a losing battle
What if the same owners of the online site are the people running the bots 😮
They are. They use bots to give the illusion that there are many players. They use bots to win and to lose in order to charge rake.
Online poker is dead because of the AI. Don't play it.
Yep I retired from online poker in 2017 it was on ACR also not shocking at all.
AI is crushing “human poker players.” I’m out.
Its dead not because of bots but because even polk have serious difficulties winning 10k on micro stakes
@@king_cjbro how tf do you expect to win 10k on microstakes
@@king_cj Winning 10k on micro stakes is insanely difficult. That was the point of doing it for him.
You the best Polk. Keep us aware. Thanks for your time and your poker game
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My jaw dropped through the damn floor when I saw our website in your video. Love your work Doug, appreciate your investigative journalism as always!
Sick website 🔥
"...Please" - Bravo, the best TVC I have seen you make yet.
Also feedback on Shorts: Keep em coming, I am sure players love it at the table, and the edit is great, 'One Time' clip epic. They look great, as Billy said, More More More
"Think of them more like a doug polk" Priceless 😂
Betting someone saw Doug's graph and a match is otw great stuff!
Thank you Doug for the informal, yet comical video. Great content as always.
informal is not the same as informing. well played, american education.
Hey man. Last few months and the breakthroughs, the ones you’ve been talking about included, makes me want to no longer play online at all. So, thanks for the info and work.
Yep. I stay away from online. GG also just had big cheating scandal. But they’ll still have their paid endorsements.
Lol Doug ! Totally understand why you said your getting jaded exposing stuff when lots of viewers give the impression they dont care , well I care ! So much so that nowadays I just assume that online poker is bound to be corrupt and full of cheats using RTA as well as most sites being lousy with bots .
That’s why I no longer play online
and only play now and again in person at my local casino here in the uk !
So thank you for taking the time , I have listened , weighed up the odds for myself and acted upon my deliberations . So thanks for your help and insight . ✊😉
Ps - I’m 💩 at Poker and am the bottom of the food chain in terms of keeping you guys in BMW’s n Rolex’s and that’s ok , I’m a recreational player who understands my skill set and only lose what I can afford to lose , in my view it’s like paying to get golf lessons - expensive lesson sure , but your having fun while learning and have no false illusion about where your lessons will ultimately lead you to !
Cheers big man 🤘
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I care too, and say name the names of the sites, the casinos, the people, so we can shun them. Keep up the noble work
@@timmyp34 ✊ right on Timmy !
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Well before black Friday & Bots, I had a collusion concern on poker stars. The immediate response to my concern & depth of detail to explain what steps poker stars took was amazing. Is that type of support still exist on any online site?
The fact that a site hasnt banned third party access and virtual machines is kind of mind boggling to me. At the end of the day the technology to prevent RTA certainly exists and im sure most players would prefer a more intrusive software over something more lax that can let those things slide.
That's why I just went back to Stars, they don't even let you have Equilab open at all while Stars is running. Next week they have big changes to rakeback for pros playing cash games too.
That’s because they’re in on it as well. Like video game companies out there selling a game and simultaneously selling cheats to their game on a separate network.
they did ban that actually just like a month ago.
Love the content bro.
Loved the old analysis content too.
Cheers
Damn Doug, second segment of the vid youre going for a tom dwan lookalike?!
As always, keep it up man. Great vid. ❤
Coming from somebody who works in cyber security and manages bot control for a large site there are many different ways in which you can establish what is a bot and what is not.. The speed of the click rate, the type of monitor resolution that their devices is set with, (if it's running from a script it won't show), IP of the device (you would probably come over a proxy or VPN to hide where your farm actually is). The important part here is you would need to have these checks during the time at the table as to stop real humans from signing up and then passing over to their scripts just the same way as click farms are done.
All of that is newbie stuff. If you don't want to bother bypassing those (which is certainly possible) you can hire someone to play based on the actions recommended by your bot, which is basically impossible to detect.
I don't think these techniques solve the problem of cheating in poker. You would have to use ai to detect suspicious players and then have humans analyze their plays. This is how it's done on chess sies(I think). What you are saying is more for preventing bots that spam and do other automated things that hurt the users of the site and the site itself
I never it would. I said it would help stop bot cheating specifically. Human ai cheating is another entirely different topic.
It's easy from a cybersec perspective:
- Hire elite incident response for 2-6 months.
- You perma ban every related IPa, IP their network is interacting with, and connecting nodes to. Any packets, any obfuscated proxying, tunneling, spoofing, reverse proxying, api-call spoofing.
- Build a tree of account relationships. Which games they played, with which players. Log the data of all games, and these interactions with simple data collection program.
- Determine area, zip, region of origin.
- Continue to peel back layers until able to monitor and watch for more activity. Expand team by two or three, dedicated to this incident response.
- Patch. Fortify. Optimize.
Wassup Doug, I just found your videos and have to say... good stuff brother! I recently moved to Vegas. Hope to play with you sometime. Keep up the good work!
Doug I love the hand analysis. Polker Hands are definitely my favourite videos. Many folks can cover poker news, but only you give us math nerds the breakdowns we truly crave
Report this bot lol
Don't get jaded Doug. We definitely care and we definitely need you out there.
sad time for poker online especially, i cant see how we get around this with all the governments wanting a peice of the pie leaving unregulated/grey area regulated sites... the times where Isai Scheinberg cared for the players also gone its hard to see a positive light for the future of poker, i hope that someone who cares for the players and knows what they are doing comes forward and online poker a safer place than these governments that believe they are protecting the players that know nothing about poker or anything for that matter :D
AI being used to cheat in online anything is going to be a wild free for all until we develop AI designed to battle other AI for this purpose. We've seen it in the gaming space all over as well.
I agree with you @ Doug Polk.... Thanks for making this video. Means alot to the online poker players
I hear what you're trying to say here, but... you're SO GOOD at reporting on the scandals! That "commercial" was solid gold. 😂 If it makes you feel better, you should know I barely watch anyone's hand breakdowns.
Online poker went south in about 2010 when they worked out that cheating would pay off better than anti's.
0:00 doug: makes a scathing video about botting at ACR
7:20 doug: recommends ACR as 2nd best cardroom in US
whoosh
The problem is whenever someone complains about losing online, being rigged, or endless collusion they get trolled as being “losing players”
The problem is that most of the players that complain about this ARE losing players. It's an out and excuse for players that are bad and haven't put in the serious work necessary to win. Although I agree there are definitely bots and rigged sites. Both things are true.
Exactly. That’s the cover up. I bet most those comments are bots too
This is so true. Every time I'd ever mention cheaters or bots I'd be bombarded with people saying I was just bad and a losing player. Even tho they wouldn't even know me, my win/loss or even my screen name. It's almost comical looking back. At least more people are starting to realize. There just isn't a safe and assured way to play rn. Especially on unregulated sites. I truly don't know why anyone would risk it with live poker being so alive and well at this time.
@@robyee3325 Sounds like something a bot would say
all i know is i'm favored in 75% of my all ins but lose 75% of them over the course of 3 years...
The only way online poker will become legit is if it requires people to have a camera showing themselves, their line of site, and every input they make via mouse and keyboard.
Cheating is a problem in the speed running community of video games that doesn't involve millions of dollars, so why not poker sites for high value tournaments having the same requirements.
People will hate it until they understand the it's the only way to prevent the bots which are becoming easier and and easier for anyone to use.
they should give the option, that way people who think its a step too far can choose to play like now, and peopple who feel its safer and worth the privacy penulty can do so, i would give it a try.
@@mcpartridgeboy Giving the option to join in or not is a good idea. Especially for heads up play.
Thanks for what you do! I’m watching now
Finally someone covers this . We need a fair site with only real people !!!!!
Hi @DougPolkPolker, thanks for your content.
How does the graphic related to the "potripper/postle" outliers appear in a postle upload from 4 years ago? Are you a time traveller, or was the 4 year old video edited to include potripper?
Ah... you cover it in the 2 hour postle video. Potripper was an old handle that you're relating to a new exploit.
Thanks for not being a butterfly effect time traveller.
I think the recent stories just confirm what a lot of people thought anyway. If a decent percentage of the player base thought they were being cheated in some way and still played, it's not going to change their behaviour just because its confirmed.
But in reality it would seem we are at the beginning of the end for online poker mind you. And I say that because, the easier it is for people to make and run profitable bots, the harder and more expensive it will be for sites to keep up. Eventually we will get to a tipping point where it will be very difficult for anyone to make money.
I guess Ryan can't blame Joey for this one.... F ACR
They should just integrate turing tests between hands at random times. That would at least force a person to be monitoring their bots while they rake in their millions.
I said this on a e Mail to pokerstars in 2012. Online Poker is dead.
I can’t think of one that AI can’t do that humans wouldn’t be absolutely frustrated by
Bots currently used have nithing to do with ai@@GrapplingwithPhysics
@@GrapplingwithPhysicsyeah, I don't need an extra helping of frustration on top of my frustration.
In my mind, after AI was beating the first few game modes, online poker was basically toast. Its a cat and mouse game and the cats are the bot users and they keep getting sharper teeth and longer claws. You simply cannot prevent it reliably long-term. If you play online poker and you are not cheating, you are the mouse.
The bots do not even have to run on the same machine. It takes extra steps, but the bot can use a copy of the signal going to your monitor as input or even a camera filming the screen, and can use a hacked mouse and keyboard as output. Its extra work, but it kills most methods of detection. It looks just like a regular machine that has a screen and what looks like a completely normal mouse and keyboard plugged in, with no suspicious software running on the machine at all.
God, a double board bomb pot tournament sounds truly awful. You'll be playing like 10 hands an hour.
roflz
Nice work Doug
At this point if you're getting scammed on ACR it's completely your fault
Not only ACR. Any online site.
"when I analyze a hand with ranges, no one watches"
the despair is palpable 😅
Online poker has always been a questionable game from the standpoint of possible cheating. Pokerstars has a checkered past from what I can remember. I always wonder why people cheat? Because they can scam a lot of money? Bad upbringings? Or, are the profits in poker too slim to make a living these days. It’s a tough business for sure. Thanks for being an honest stand up guy Doug Polk! May the good guys win!
I'm a current software developer, and as I type this I'm playing a MTT on ACR from a VM that I'm remoted into. I play freeroll and low stakes, but the idea that they don't have active vulnerabilities in their code is wild.
What online poker has done for me, is allow me to see hundreds of thousands of hands, and outcomes. I left streaming on ACR over this issue in 2021. I haven't streamed poker really since. ACR paid me out after they caught some cheaters and I subsequently left the site. I play micro stakes with my friends online 6 handed or vs players I know in mtts. It's difficult to win large sums online now. Post- black Friday, security of online poker is the wild west. Be very cautious. Never deposit more money than you can afford to lose. ❤
"never deposit money you can afford to lose"
I agree thats for wussy's
This tournament that your doing at the lodge seems really interesting. Will there be videos of it on that or this channel?
I think the fact that only half of the mentioned accounts were cleared of misconduct still proves the point. A significant number of people were botting. How long it lasted, the amount of money taken, and other things are still up in the air. But it does prove that it is a problem on their site. If in fact they did already check and ban these accounts prior to being notified that means they are trying to stop it. But I've learned people say things just to make themselves look good, and it's hard to say if they're truthful with that response or if they're just saying it to sound like they're on it and there's nothing to worry about. Which could be possible considering they then said they don't have a bot problem, but admitting half of these were bots already says it is a problem, they just don't want the public to think it is.
Great stuff as always 👏
Solution ... DON'T PLAY ONLINE !!!
After all the cheating and bot scandals over the years, I don't understand why anyone would play online anymore?
The only other way I can play is drive 10 hours.
I make more money in a year playing than from any job I can work at.
its a great training tool at low stakes, if i made all the mistakes i made live instead of at 25nl id be a lot more broke tha i am now.
Have to say that Doug has evolved a lot with presenting information in a clear way, pointing out the important aspects in a complicated story, drawing logical conclusions. Wish he did something like this with an important subject..
Looking more like a dad
This has always been his style.... is that you Robbie? 😂
Soooooo, cheating in poker is NOT an important subject?
He tried to do a video during the pandemic and failed with a shallow understanding of the medical industry and how it operates. He should do exactly as he's doing, sticking to what he knows.
@@slothbearanonymous What was the covid video? I must have missed that one.
tbh, i dont think the average person on ACR gives a shit, its such a wild site to play on.
I kind of feel that AI will learn to adjust to the randomness that you want to add faster than humans.
Also total casual poker player and I do care, I used to play way more back in the day. Now I have totally stopped online poker, it just feels impossible to even dream about winning. Just play live for fun occasionally.
You just dont know what ai is and how it works. Ai needs to be trained to do anything. It has no inteligence.
Liked the video a lot!
I like your analysis a lot too. Sad it is not watched as much.
That skit at the end about the $100k and a job was hilarious
Facial recognition games . Monitor during the game . Check for duplicate faces etc
Doug calls his farts "toots"
Thx Doug, you count in a positive manner, even when speaking tongue ‘n cheek
the fast development of AI is going to make it impossible to stop it.
A off shore website doing illegal shit. Shocker
I don't care about bots, My problem is getting it in with 85% or more equity with a card to go and getting rivered. I run like 50% in said scenario
exactly , I swear I wish I've video taped every single game I play. I run %1 maybe in said scenario. I'm done. It's totally rigged.
I don't know much about this Bot thing but is there a similar or dissimilar time before each play is made? Would a Bot take an inordinate amount of time when a tough decision is to be made?
Dont worry he doest know much about them either. Neither does the comments. They have no idea whats going on here.
gr8 vid as always keep up with the investigative journalism
I will be posting info about countries of those bots on my twitter soon.
The site would only care if players leave. Every other aspect they benefit financially. Unfortunately, verified human accounts are the only partial solution. Because someone could just sign up the identities of a hundred elderly from an old folks home and then use bots for them. It will be really hard to do a "are you a real person" challenge because so many people play multi-sessions.
Yea why not every account you need license, Social security card etc like a job. The comeback will be "people can use family or friends" but how many would give that away, my aunt isn't going to co sign a loan for me.
I was on ACR last night. I have a way that is helping me locate suspected bots and I highlight them when I'm on the table. I ran very deep in the tourney doing this and on each table during the MTT I would say each table had 2-4 bots. I then took this assumption to 3 and 4 bet them on bluffs and played against them with tight hands when they start off w/ a preflop bet.
How did the poster get the data, especially for cash games? I can understand if someone tracks tournaments results but cash game results? I don’t think it is possible to get cash game data without insider access to server data?
They got me for around $500-$1000 before I figured out I was playing against bots… Happy to know I was right. Wish I had my money back though
Who would’ve thought there was cheating in unregulated poker
How would unregulated room be more likely to have cheating? Regulated rooms pay thons of money to government and have 0left for security, its literally the other way around. Regulation is bad for poker, it creates reservations , small player counts less games more bots
@@where_thefck_iam590 Is it true that, in regulated poker, cheaters can suffer legal consequences, but in unregulated poker, cheaters will not?
@@where_thefck_iam590 this is wrong lol. Look at PokerBros completely unregulated and full of bots / collusion
@@where_thefck_iam590 bc it’s unregulated
@@where_thefck_iam590horrible take
I would love for one of the data analysis sites to examine 1M random hands on ACR to prove that the RNG is skewed
I don't see how anyone could assume this wasn't already happening
We all dreaded the inevitable moment where online poker would be dead, or extremely hard... Here we are...
Honestly the regulated state online sites are solid. Stars w MI/NJ is good. Nothing near as big as the good old days, hard to even find bigger than 1/2 and occasionally 2/5 and get more than a couple tables in. MTTs are like 215 50Ks, they have series w some 320 300ks or whatever sometimes. Dont VPN bc you will get caught. But ya if you live in MI/NJ I’d recommend that. I think PA has PS? But it’s not in the pool, though I think they have a WSOP pool with a few states. I’ve never played on anything but PS so can’t speak on wsop. Tbh I don’t trust sites like MGM, and I doubt WSOP cares.
IMHO once Poker AI became good enough to beat good players it was inevitable that this would happen. Chess has the same problem these days, except they don't really play online for money as often.
Chess has a small problem at the top level, im 99% sure ive never played a bot once, unless it was really bad, you are totally safe from bots until you are a decent way past 2000 elo, i play between 1500-1800 and its not a problem at that rating.
How about the idea that sites would require all users to have an active webcam and are on a computer that has no other apps running?
I suppose it might still be possible to enter the data and have a bot solve it on a second device, but with the webcam on there’s a better chance of seeing it happening.
I also can’t help but wonder if instead of the legal grey zone online poker works out of in the US contributes to this, and if having a strong set of regulations that allow legal online poker but mandate a standard set of security protocols (and perhaps outline how new protocols are developed as new forms of cheating arise) would help solve the problem.
I guess whenever there’s money, there’s some risk of cheating, but they could definitely be doing more.
Adding cards back into the deck after someone folds in PLO is one the stupidest things I've heard of.
That’s why i signed out of ACR. Was up 5k, and got spammed with the absolute worst beats of all time.
Beats has nothing to do with bots, they simply outplay humans
One CRITICAL topic the statement doesn't address is what are they going to do about the money taken? Even if half of the profits are botting, that's still $5mil that was taken away. Saying "we had already closed some accounts" doesn't address that these "closed account" people are enjoying their stolen money
If you watched the video you would of seen where it was mentioned all effected players were refunded
There's nothing to be done. They are not liscenced
They are in on it. The bots know the cards. It is not just AI.
@@funmaster4632 100% true. There are bots run by the house that know the cards. I don't know about ACR, but others this is absolutely the case.
They give you pebnies back of what was stolen.
How much do I miss when online poker started? Real money, little to new bots, no RTA, and no banking bullshit issues. This was early 2000s.
Imagine thinking putting Ebony Kenney forward helps their cause
Rad is a constant fight against cheaters and it relies on us players reporting people because otherwise nothing happens.
Doug you rock buddy
Awesome video as always, Doug :)
The idea of having a bunch of game types/more complex game types I highly doubt would work, as bots can be incredibly complex, simply look at bots in 3D games. Sure, some more math's might need to get solved for each game type, but I would expect that to be automatable as well, especially if machine learning ("AI") is used.
Stay away from online people only the top players are protected they track their progress it helps the brand that the top know players do well and are protected
I don’t know why anyone plays online poker or private games at all anymore. If it’s not in a casino or card room I’m not playing.
I've played some weird hands on ACR. Just last week with 13 people left, 2 players check a hand down where one made the nut straight on the river and the other made a flush. It made no sense, unless they were colluding somehow. It was a very weird hand, they played very passively vs each other despite both having draws and both making their hand on the river.
In every live casino I know you MUST make an aggressive action on the river if you have the nuts... I am not sure about online.
@@_Coffee4Closers neither had the nuts, but they both made a very strong hand. But for neither to bluff, bet their draw, or bet when they made a hand was weird. Unless they somehow misread their hand.
Or perhaps they were colluding and figured it made more sense for them to both be in the tournament still and continue to ladder up, over one of them having more chips. I guess that may be a more profitable strategy? For two players two ladder up over one? Who knows what happened, it was just odd.
@@rasmussaladus7702 trapping when you're last to act on the river?
@@SpaceMonkey616 ok so one was trapping, the other guy was scared of a flush? you are a schizo not everyone is evil
Could be ICM nits.
oooh.. a 'no checking' tournament . That's sounds nasty.
I legit just saw my screen name and I have not played on ACR in YEARS how is that possible? I live in PA I play on the regulated sites. LOL WTF???
Sick brag
You're a bot beep boop
@@luisbenites4825 Not trying to brag. I am dead serious. My screen name on ACR is GuyWithTheFace. I dont even have ACR on my computer.
No checking? Love that
i mean, wouldnt adding a 2 step verification process before each match work? like the slide the puzzle piece, and a caphta or w/e?
I was crushing ACR so bad it made me stop and prove through a simple test or two that I was human. The system is out there but honestly ACR runouts are 100% the WORST! Like the table cracking and shit?! Total BLUESHEET!
Get em Doug
I always knew ACR was sketchy and full of bots. I am almost certain the owner is on the bots. Even the tournaments felt so rigged. You would play perfectly and always lose in the end to like 1 outers over and over again. Like how is it possible for the guy to always hit. I stopped playing once they banned my account from withdrawing
So true. Only on that site, acr did weird things happen. Play down to the bubble...on the same table for hours with a player who seen a total of one flop (which they won) Then out of no where, there in a hand with me, I flop a set and I played it aggressive. We were all in on the flop. They had j2 diamonds. No pair, no front door draw of any kind. And they hit runner runner diamond to knock me out like 2 from the money. This is just one clear example of some fishy shit....but I didn't stay on that site for much longer to see more.
Yes, there are absolutely house run bots. This is the real scandal yet to drop.
It sucks just when I thought this was mitigated on ACR it seems like it’s gotten worse
Doug news flash. Most of the bots are owned by ACR themselves!!