How to Install a Natural Gas Barbecue Grill | Ask This Old House
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- Опубликовано: 21 дек 2015
- This Old House plumbing and heating expert Richard Trethewey installs a natural gas line for a barbecue grill.
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Shopping List for Installing a Natural Gas Barbecue Grill:
Pipe-joint compound [amzn.to/32FuVqf]
Galvanized-steel pipe hangers [amzn.to/2N7Ac6c]
Gas shutoff valves [amzn.to/2Q6FD7L]
Liquid soap [amzn.to/2HZAebW] in spray bottle [amzn.to/2NbDgy6]
Quick-connect hose and fitting [amzn.to/2NalCe2]
Rust-resistant spray paint [amzn.to/2NWIIEM]
Propane-to-natural-gas adapter [amzn.to/2LpxFSE] (if necessary)
Tools List for Installing a Natural Gas Barbecue Grill:
Pipe wrench [amzn.to/2A96PI3]
Cordless drill [amzn.to/2LrY6Y6] with 3/4-inch-diameter bit [amzn.to/2Ad0sUd]
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Steps for Installing a Natural Gas Barbecue Grill:
1. Check to confirm that the home's natural gas system has enough capacity to support a barbecue grill.
2. Use a pipe wrench to turn off the gas at the gas meter.
3. Tap into the existing gas line and run a new line out to the gas grill location.
4. Apply pipe-joint compound to each threaded connection and tighten with a pipe wrench.
5. Suspend the new line from the floor joists with galvanized-steel pipe hangers.
6. Install a new gas shutoff valve into the new gas line.
7. Drill a 3/4-inch-diameter hole through the house wall.
8. Continue the new gas line from the basement through the hole to the outside.
9. Install a shutoff valve to the pipe just outside the house.[BR]
10. Next, pressure-test the new gas line to ensure there are no leaks.
11. Spray liquid soap onto the threaded connections and check for leaks.
12. After about 40 minutes, check the pressure gauge to confirm the pressure hasn't dropped. Remove the pressure gauge from the gas pipe.
13. Install a quick-connect hose fitting onto the end of the gas pipe.
14. Mask off the house around the new gas pipe with cardboard or newspaper, then apply rust-resistant spray paint to the new piping.
15. Connect a new flexible quick-connect gas hose to the rear of the gas grill.
16. If necessary, install an adapter to convert the grill from propane to natural gas.
17. Snap the end of the grill's gas hose onto the quick-connect fitting on the new gas line.
18. Turn on the gas at the meter.
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*Almost cuts through a bunch of cables*
Guy: "Perfect, right where I wanted it."
Lol, it does look that way. That said when you think about it he has mentioned he's "measured 4 times" which probably means double-checking the other side given there is insulation etc which needed to be moved so his son was probably holding all the cables away from the Wall and has let them go as they've walked back in so they've "sprung" back into place near the holes
@@NUFCMVFC Agree, that makes sense!
I was about to say the same thing!
Lol
5:32 go away Dad! I'm still trying to hide these wires you almost hit!
My Dad, a licensed high voltage electrician, drilled straight through the feed for the stove when running pipes for a new heater. Made for quite the light show in the basement!
Never place your grill up against the building. I've seen many total losses from out of control grill fires. Fire goes up the siding and in the soffit and it's all over.
My natural gas bbq grill has a long enough hose that allows me to move the grill away from the siding and soffit when I'm ready to cook.
My friend bought a natural gas grille and did this same project. We did it ourselves up to code. We did pull a permit. So after we were done, we had the inspection and the inspector really busted our balls. We had the safety shut off in the basement and outside like this video. The inspector said we had to move the valve to the wall on the inside of the basement and put a stole there because children cannot reach it in an emergency. He also made us get much larger valves which actually has larger inlet and outlets so we had to adapt. We had to do this on both int inside and outside. He also required us to have signs made to be posted inside and outside (near the grille) and a third one next to the main shut off at the meter that were very large to indicate where the emergency shut off was. He told me that some guy in town did the same thing and had an issue and no one could find the shut off. It wasn't a major inconvenience but took us two more weeks to get it done waiting for the signs from the sign guy and the post inspection.
You really should have licensed gas fitter mate
@@gavinc8363 Oh sure. Involve some guy from the union to add several thousand to the price. The install was fine and up to code but the inspector wanted this extra stuff for safety.
@@gchsbus 🤦♂️
@@gchsbus Shouldve called their office and asked what things they would be looking for before doing it.
@@hammerdick82 That is even worse. Then the inspector will show up either before work has started or during the work to bust our balls. We didn't even pull a permit until we were ready to start doing the pipe.
What did I do without this for so long?2 pieces of French Toast at a time ?20 minutes for 10 pancakes ?NO MOREthis griddle is awesomeTook some time to season before first use ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHM5jmQoi4dbb0hoWSBs9hPhSwXUbGVG_ did brunch and hibachi dinner on Mother’s Day and it worked like a charmSturdy, well built and heats up quick. burners2-4 were a little stubborn but then lit up.Great addition to my patio.Bought the cover and it’s great, also bought the accessories kit - scraper is good but the spatulas are flimsy to be honest that’s my only negative.
One of the most comprehensive, well-explained and professionally presented videos I have seen on You-tube.
You covered every step, and explained the why behind it.
Well done.
Thank-you.
I realize this is an old video but it was very nice to see Richards son Evan on the job. I was wondering if Evan will be taking over? I’m 75 plus and my sons have pretty much taken over which has been great for me and I know with This Old House being 40 years old we will be watching the younger ones soon. And I think with the training they have received the show will thrive in the future. Keep up the good work we love it ❤️
Switching from Propane to natural gas wonder how Hank hill will feel about that. After installing your propane tanks in your grill.
Hank Hill cooks on mains gas indoors & out because it's more convenient
bwaaaaah!! lol i can see it now
"Ahh I can smell it"
"That's not actually gas Sonny boy"
Always great info but the obvious scripting is cringey sometimes 😂
I need Richard at my house for the gas line install. What a pro!
Imagine being the son of a legend!
These dudes are 100x better than any RUclipsr
Anyone else notice dude was cooking pancakes on the grill at 0:09
yes I noticed immediately and said wtf aloud.
Yeah I think he was showing off. ;)
Roger noticed too :p
What the frick
I'm pretty sure that's just their leftover breakfast lol
A gas grill is anathema to me, yet I'll watch anything This Old House puts out.
When we had our house built, they put a gas line out to the back patio of our house since we were going to have a full range stove & oven there. However, due to the amount of winds Oklahoma gets, we never got a gas model, but if we were to buy a grill, I'd know what to get.
Good thing they verified capacity. You never know when you may be running everything at once and want to grill a steak at that exact moment.
Who knows, maybe in the depth of winter while the boiler and furnace is running, fire lit and clothes drying he get the need to do some burgers and pancakes on the grill.
@@backupplan6058 This is very true. That extra step could really pay off.
Backup Plan I’ll have you know, grilled winter pancakes are a Massachusetts delicacy!
Omg I can't 🤣🤣
The benefit of NG to the grill does mean you can grill year round. Couldn't tell you how many times I fire up the grill and wait for that 3 inches of snow on top to melt off. Yeah it is an old grill so I don't cover it any more.
Classic. This guy killed it.
great, very detail. just got a Weber Genesis as well. thanks
Did that on day-one in our new house! The only way to go!
These guys are like super heroes.👊
2:56 Thank you Dr. Ross Gellar on Friends. 👍🏻
I have a similar set up however everything is propane as we don't have gas in our area. It's great not having to worry about an empty propane tank in the middle of cooking.
Cutting and threading gas line is not THAT bad, guys. The 'mess' is limited if you know what you're doing, and it doesn't take much more time than piecing it all together. The less fittings, the better. It's a much cleaner and prettier job to have your black iron custom fit.
What a foursome! Grew up watching 3/4 of the guys here. Blissful nostalgia :)
That was a great video. So for most applications you just need to change the orifices to accommodate for the NG after you have a connection?
I love how the guy is acting like this an unexpected visit and that This Old House just showed up to convert his grill to NG....
Hahah
Awesome reference video I want to do this job so bad lol
Great ! It looks very good! Maintain the helpful work!
A friend of mine put his Weber up against his house like this guy did. His siding melted the first time he used it. I would never place a grill against my house.
looked like this was wood siding, but it's white and would make a mess. the manufacturer usually recommends 18-24" clearance on the back side
Learning from his dad that's cool 👍☕🚬🇵🇱
2:57 thank you, Ross!
Great video Richard
Excellent Video ! Thanks
Interesting video. I thought you were going to show the conversion of the grill as well.
I've spent over 30 years as a gasfitter and ended up as a gas inspector in Australia. Because of that experience, I can easily convert between imperial and metric. I found it fascinating that the USA still use steel pipe, admittedly with pre-cut sections.
Here, we have used copper pipe for over 30 years but in the last ten have seen the use of Polyethylene cross linked aluminum pipe (it looks like plastic) make massive inroads in new housing projects. Your test pressure of 3 psi is exactly the same here expressed as 21 kilopascals. I could write a book in my reply but won't. Keep up the good work.
Rob
Here in Canada our pressure test has to be 15 pounds for 15 minutes, but in reality has to hold 15 pounds until the inspector gets there the next day..
We use a lot of trac pipe on houses where I am from it comes in a roll of how much you need and then stretch it through out the house then give it a clean cut with copper cutters and it requires mechanical fittings for trac pipe only much much faster
Steel pipe is still required - presumably because it is impossible to get punctured by a screw. It should also protect against a drill bit for a while. The Romex he almost hit will the drill when making the outside hole would NOT be protected.
Hi RobSue. Can I ask what state your in? I'm in SA and some of the gas installs I've seen still to this day a lot of them don't meet code. The fitters have no clue and will argue with me till they are blue in the face. It's very Dissapointing. I also agree with you, gas installs in my opinion should only ever be in Copper. Great Video though. I'd hire this guy on the spot :)
@@KellyPKramer BC?
Besides the NP orifices' you illustrate, did you also use a NP regulator ? I'm stuck at the point of connecting the NP gas hose from the main gas source to my Weber grill ( I have the NP orifices installed) have a NP regulator and a connection hose but not sure how to complete / connect to the grill ?
It’s funny I understand the gas part very well because I was taught about it by my dad
Rich, your my hero man
Good job I enjoyed watching your video 😎👍
I love these guys I learn a lot 👍👍👍👍
I like having both ng and lp for backup.
Where do I get the quick attach to the BBQ?
How would you install a drip from the ground level straight up through the deck board to connect the gas adapter for the gas grill hose with quick connect?
Why didn't Richard drill a locating pilot hole from the basement to the outside?
What meter number do you check to get the capacity and what this number means? Thanks.
Great job.
Great video
very good idea, will consider getting someone to do it for my BBQ
nice video, keep up the good job !!!
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Amazing job video
I'm contemplating where to put a gas grill. It looks like this one is installed about 3' in front of the house. Is that a safe distance?
Question: you buy a gas grill at Lowe’s say and it comes set up as propane as they do, so you get the nat gas orifice conversion kit as they discussed, but what about the regulator??? Propane gas grills come with regulators so do you change it out as well or use the one on board with the grill? They didn’t discuss. Anyone?
Is there any meter to see the gas running through the pipe?
Don't you have to buy the kit to convert the grill from propane to natural gas?Just asking. Thank you
What brand or type of that yellow thread sealant/pipe dope are they using?
those new compression type fittings are very similar to a myriad of connectors used in the aircraft industry for hydraulic and fuel lines. We sometimes get lines that have dents beyond limits or chaffed too thin and have to splice new sections in if the line isn't small enough to be removed and remade.
my favorite episode
I like your videos it gives me idea thank you.
A channel about doing it yourself...but you can't since you're not licensed...great!
Well, you actually can. Just don't tell anybody)
i do renovations all the time without being licensed lol
@@saintyt309 you have to be licensed to work with gas
Trevor W. not in nz
You're not supposed to DIY, but if you're going to do it anyway, here's how to do it right.
I just love the part where they ignored the fact that they almost drilled into the romex cable.
I was wondering if anyone noticed that
Jesus Garcia ikr
His son was probably holding them out of the way.
My thought exactly...
He said right where i wanted it to be, thats very good he says.
He should have had his son keep eye on the cables as the dad was drilling thought wall into a blind area how lucky do you feel he said this time he was lucky. next job he may not.
other than that i enjoyed the video.
Great video, makes it look so easy. I'm sure many DIYers are like, "I know I could do this" but as they clearly mentioned, you need a certified gas fitter/installer since you are working with very flammable gas. This should be called "This Old House of Guys from New England".....Go Sox/Pats!!!
This guy is a butcher; notice how he uses a pipe wrench on that gas shutoff valve? The teeth on the wrench completely chew up that soft brass. Adjustable wrenches!?
Also slapping on way too much pipe dope (looks like a mess)
No close nipples in my jurisdiction!!
@@walterbrunswick I’m not a fan of Richards multiple pipe section method. Seems like he is on threaded coupling manufacturer’s payroll there lol It’s really not that big of a deal to custom thread some pipe. On a small job like this, I could even do it with an old ridged 00r hand threader.
Depends on where you live and does have to be your own home. Should still pull a permit and get the job inspected. This will could help with insurance if the need ever arises. Now the state of Massachusetts it is hard for a homeowner to do any work in their home it seems. Utility wise it seems, now for carpentry work that does seem a bit easier. Though big items a permit is still needed.
And on a different note, the state that Revolutionary War official started in is one of the ones with a lot of rules and such.
I prefer threads.. thx for sharing..
Richard should have used a reference rod when they were inside. Scott the electrician uses that on jobs.
That ProPress tool at the end has been around for copper since I was a journeyman fitter in 02'. I never trusted it because most rubber has a lifespan of failure where it can begin to leak. I'd rather go with good ol 95/5.
Awesome thanks
when applying the pipe joint compound you should not apply any to the first 3 threats... you made some of it go in the pipe which down the road might block the orifice for the appliance, even if you have a dirt pocket which you must have one anyways.
So this rule applies only to gas piping because the orifice?
No lock nuts on the f-m ring and plate?
hola, en argentina esta prohibido el uso de acoples rapidos para gas, solo se usan en compresores de aire. un fuerte abrazo y felices fiestas !!!!!!
hi, when you added pressure to test for leaks was that 3lb pressure in ALL pipes in the house? or only between outdoor pressure gage and inside new installed shutoff valve? thank you.
mark.r hvac most likely just testing his own pipes
Must have been for everything because he said it also checked where he initially made the tap before the inside shut off valve.
Very Good!..
good knowledgeable video.....
In the end to ensure it doesn't rust it is code to paint with rustproof in the start showes meter the pipes of the company have turned brown from rust
It’s always interesting seeing how they do it in other countries. Very rarely see galv mild steel threaded piping for gas lines here in Australia.
It wasn’t galvanized.
What do you use, Koala skins?
One question, wouldn’t you want to burn off as much gas in the line before unscrewing that pipe cap?
Interesting to see the differences between USA and NL where i live. Here they use copper piping for gas. Just cut them to length, bend them, and use a torch to solder them. Don't ask me about the torch in combination with gas lines though lol. I think when the pressure is off, it only burns very slightly.
Wow, here in Canada we cannot solder gas lines, and now most of us use gastite...or a similar product
I'm surprised that gas pipes are soldered. Do you know what type is used, like lead free water pipe solder, brazing rod, or a special rated solder just for gas? Are flare fittings acceptable for a gas line application?
5:35, Once the gas pipe is fed through the newly drilled hole in the side of the house, how do you seal the gap between the hole and the pipe to prevents critters, dirt, and drafts from passing through?
i'm no plumber, but my guess is expanding spray foam, or silicone.
Nice good job
I love propayne
are the grill connections 3/8?
Please explain to me how to determine the amount of capacity ( 400k btus) coming from main line... the meter?...Thank you....Great program guys...I learn a lot from you guys
Cubic ft hr (cfh) x 2.72 = btu’s
a btu is about 1 kJ (1055 J) and fortisbc bills in GJ. just use kJ from now on if you are in southern BC
quick coupling connection
I guess I feel good in that when I set up my NG grill, I went to home depot or lowes and got these same parts to reduce 1/2" to 3/8"--but I was surprised there wasn't a more compact way of doing it (i.e. one piece that would reduce, instead of multiple pieces). And I'm not sure if the parts I'm using are exactly right b/c some are getting surface rust, so I may have used the wrong metal...
@@primordialsoftware9294 no. It may well have helped. The metal is thick and even without paint, the part should be ok for 10 years or so.
@@primordialsoftware9294 it's outside. It was the most quickly available part(s) from HD. I think they are non-galvanized steel. I think brass would have been the right material. I'm not sure if they had brass, or maybe I didn't see the brass. So my setup is probably not 'up to code', although it does work fine.
chinese black fittings rust very quickly, use american ones.
After watching this im going to plumb my gas line for my portable generator and grill 😂😂 i will make sure gas line is off
Here in Germany you just can use copper pipes (the same as for water heating) and use very simple press fittings (also basically the same as for water heating) and press them with the press shown in the video. Copper pipes with press fittings can now be used for drinking water, water heating and gas, also since some years you also can use flexible plastic pipes for water, water heating and gas.
Could’ve used homeflex flexible gas line for most of that run...
isn't that stuff like at least triple the cost though?
Hai Rachel it’s Chris, I was wondering at the beginning of the video , the gas meter show the 210 C.F.H. That’s only 210 thousand btu hour, why you says 400 thousands btu , how do you count it, or it have special conver chart , can you show me please thank you
times 1050 to get btu
Now we have flex lines
Omg the comments on these videos are even better than the videos...
Sweet! They have sharkbites for gas pipe? That'll last fornever
Not shark bites it’s called pro press it is way more reliable than shark bite pro press works for water and gas lines
Richard. What do you think of the yellow flex gas line? And why not use the flex here?
Ron
Most jurisdictions require steel gas pipes for long sections and the yellow flex hoses are generally reserved for the last foot (similar to the hoses that connect your faucets to the shutoffs under the sink), so like connecting the gas dryer to the gas line.
Richard points to the meter bar as if gas goes thru it , isn't it just a brace to secure the meter piping? If the gas were to go thru it, the meter would be bi-passed and you would be getting free gas.
What was that drill Deburring tool he used. I can't find it anywhere. It looks like a ridgid
That system is made by Viega so they might produce the deburring tool as well
RIDGID 37993 1/2" - 1" MegaPress End Prep Beveler Tool
Will the son be on This old house in 2030?
You see Evan now and then. I think he might replace his Dad after Richard retires.
Yea he's going to be balding up top too
He looks like his dad haha
Careful getting too much pipe dope on the inside of the fittings....it can easily plug up orifices and mess up a pressure regulator. Just saying.
Man! I stopped the video to see: "Are those pancakes?" I feel so relieved and vindicated at the end of this video.
Why cannot install flexible gas pipes/hoses, what's the reasons behind, besides gas code?
Exactly, especially given that the grill itself has what looks like a 10ft flexible line
Sediment trap is for natural gas and a drip leg is for propane.
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He must be a grilling god to cook pancakes on a grill
with all of the things on the home owners pipe line, what is the gas pressure. he tested for 3 pounds does that mean the line pressure is less. if all of the appliances are on will the bbq get any ng.
Most natural gas appliances need at least 0.25 PSI. The meter throttles the pressure down to ~0.28 PSI and are rated for the volume of gas they can deliver at that pressure. Richard checked to make sure the meter had enough capacity and there was, so it shouldn't be starving the BBQ.
George Gardinier the meter is actually undersized. That is an AT210 meter. it's rated for 210 Cubic feet which is equivalent to 210,000 BTU'S. the house is already drawing more gas than what the meter is rated.
also in residential gas piping, you're talking inches of water as a measurement of pressure, not psi. typically you get between 7-11 inches being fed into the house from the meter. most appliances only require 3.5 inches in order to operate properly.
0:45 That meter and lines need paint to prevent rust and leaking that a customer would have to pay extra on the bill if it leaks for no reason. Not to mention the safety issues.....
Tinder inc not responsible for the meter back
yeah Richard mentioned rust isn't good but the main connections are rust loaded.