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Just FYI the damper on the terminal unit should never be 100% open. If the static pressure setpoint is set correctly by the Test and Balance / Commissioning contractor the damper will never be open 100%. The damper controls to a max cooling airflow and if it cannot achieve that airflow at any time there is an issue with the way the system was setup.
Hvacr guy here. We really appreciate the videos on how these types of systems work. If I had money to burn I would contribute to you, and eventually we will buy you coffees.
I am interested about your videos. I am from sri lanka. Here students are mostly in troubles of understanding english medium contents thanks to the education system financial level od our people. I like to translate your videos in to my language. So my people can understand them. I am not a animation creator to make animations like this. So i would like to ask, may i use your videos to create my content(at least parts) on non- commercial purpose. If you agree tell me how we can make this happen without copyright strikes. At least tell me the software which you use to create thess videos
Nicely done. As a control's technician for 34 years, having started up and commissioned several 1,000's of these things, I agree with all that you have put forth in this Video. Great work.
Hi Mark. Have You commisioned Cyclone system for Pneumatic Lifting. i doubt pitot tube system will work flawless, because air contain dust / fiber. i'm trying to use air speed sensor as feedback controller, since get proper pressure sesnor for my need is hard. do you have any experience with it ? Thank you.
Hello from South Africa, the other days I was discussing VAV with a controls guy who wasn't really clued up on HVAC. I told him to go check out Engineering mindsets! Perfectly timed video - randomly popped up in my RUclips feed.
The controls guy wasn't familiar with VAVs? Are they not common in South Africa? I have been doing controls in the US for 10 years and I deal with VAV systems almost every day.
I do both hvac and control (ddc and pneumatic) . I often find controls guys can do excellent programming but don't always understand how the system itself runs .
HVAC design engineer and NEBB certified TAB contractor here. Your vids are excellent…well done. As a TAB contractor, two of my favorite things are (1) Siemens Controls and (2) Autoflow valves for flow control on the VAV boxes.
Hi Guys, as a HVAC and specially as a VAV controller manufacturer, I regularly need to explain Basic HVAC concepts to our none technical people that work in our factory. Your videos are an extraordinary pedagogical tool to explain and train them. Thank you for your work. When will you make one on humidifiers? if you need some technical tools or need to validate, it will be a pleasure as we also manufacture all kinds of isothermal and adiabatic humidifiers !!! Cheers from Canada!!
Awesome video. Total pressure enters forward facing holes on VAV inlet. Total pressure is velocity and static. Holes on backside of second tube doesn't sense low, just static. Controller measures differential pressure which is only velocity, the statics cancel themselves out. Having averaged velocity pressure and known duct size area gives control actual CFM. You have made a great video!
Great explanation on VAV systems/terminals. For those who wonder what is the difference between a VVT and a VAV terminal box... VVT does not have an air flow feedback.
It's now interesting to watch this video, as this is literally my job despite not having even heard of a VAV system 6 months ago. My job is the controller aspect of the system. Tweaking internal coding, values, confirming everything is operational, and networking all of them together and to the central BMS mainframe. I want to make a few notes: First of all, this is a perfect example of a concept I am quite fond of: increasing resolution of a system by adding more discrete units to it. For example, the old way would have been to have a Constant Volume AHU blasting air to every space of every floor no matter the actual temperature in those specific areas. Possibly oversimplified as just "heat" or "cool" for the ENTIRE building. Then maybe you segregate each floor to have independent control. Probably better as heat rises, so the top floor needs less heat than the basement. Then, within each floor, you add these VAV units to greatly increase local temperature control. "LOCAL" is the key word. But it is always a compromise of ultimate local control vs cost and complexity. Rarely does every single office room have its own thermostat and VAV. Usually one stat will control air for 3-5 rooms. On the other hand, some large open spaces may have several thermostats in each corner for example, each one controlling an independent VAV. Long ago, these units were actually pneumatic controlled. Now they are all digital control. Even a small office building may have 30-40 of these VAVs per floor. They usually can operate independently, in case of network failure, but can be monitored and controlled from an executive front end. The key concept here is modulation in the controls. The damper can be anywhere from 0-100%, constantly modulating to maintain setpoint. It may only modulate by 1 or 2%. The controllers use PID control algorithms to maintain setpoint. Monitoring input data such as room temp, discharge temp from the VAV, occupancy mode, and others. It is a bottom-up system. Each VAV modulates independently to its assigned room temperature. The AHU then modulates its speed (via VFD) to maintain setpoint (static duct pressure) in reaction to VAVs opening or closing. Another note is that the duct pressure sensor I've always heard to be 2/3 down the duct, not at the very end, which is interesting. The AHU uses chilled water to cool tbe supply air. The outside air compressor, or chiller, then modulates itself based on the return temperature of that chilled water. Many systems now take into account air quality, mostly CO2 data, but also room humidity. When possible, the AHUs will open their outside dampers to use cooler outside air, known as economy mode or 'free cooling'. Regardless of outside air temp, that outside air damper must remain open to a certain degree for CO2 regulation. So the damper opens with low outside air temps, and closes with warm outside air Temps, and also regulates itself on CO2 content. Electric reheaters in the VAV boxes are becoming increasingly common. "Value engineering" Electric boxes are cheaper and easier to make and install. Just run power (usually 277v) and done! The alternative is hot water reheat, which requires water pipes running to (and from) each box and a valve actuator. The flip-side is that Electric heat is very expensive. Additionally, buildings usually only have reheat boxes (of any kind) along the perimeter of the building. The central VAVs are typically cooling only. Fan-powered boxes do exist, but are rather uncommon in my experience.
Excellent video, as always Engineering Mindset! As a Building Automation System Integrator/Engineer, this is a perfect simple video explanation of the principles of a standard VAV AHU system. I'll share this with any clients who may want to educate themselves on the operating principles of VAV HVACs!
An important thing to bear in mind is that many HVAC systems will contain a butterfly valve near the VAV system to back-feed the air back to the source. This valve is often wired to the thermostat via a mechatronic system. This is one of the many ways in which an HVAC system will modulate the air supply to produce comfortable conditions.
For what it’s worth, network and server rooms should not be on a building’s VAV system. These rooms typically require constant cooling which is super inefficient as the AHU has to run all night/weekend. Also, return air is a common feature. Local codes only dictate the amount of fresh air per occupant or square foot, they don’t prohibit the return air.
@@DailYxDosE many times they have a dedicated FCU with cooling in 100% recirculation mode. This would be for a small server or equipment room. Larger systems like data centers/server farms such as Apple, Google, Amazon and Facebook use more complex systems involving evaporative cooling.
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Depending on the building layout, a large HVAC system can contain one VAV or dozens (or hundreds)-which is to be decided jointly by the customers and the mechanical engineers. The reasons for an increased number of VAVs are many, with the predominant reason being a need for more varied temperatures across the building.
Most of what you explained in this video is correct except when there is a high demand for a VAV terminal to provide more cooling it will output maximum design air flow programmed in the controller instead of positioning the damper full open.
Very educational Sir, I've one short question, please What if I keep the AHU Supply & Return Fan running at constant speed , I mean I don't install the pressure sensor ? What would happen, please
Maybe it's different in America, but in Australia you're generally recirculating most of the air while bringing in a small portion of fresh air. Hospitals and some buildings still require 100% fresh air, but for the most part we have a minimal amount coming in.
That type of system means you must move alot of air to satisfy to satisfy co2 . The advantage is large air volumes are great for free cooling applications. The downside is your moving large volumes of air to get to get a much less amount of outside air . This required larger equipment and larger duct sizing and more energy to move the air . 100 percent outside air systems can move just much less air so less smaller equipment and ducts can be used . Instead of using return air to heat incoming air you can using a heat exchanger taking heat from the exhaust . This is a more modern way . This is especially true when floor space and ceiling space is a premium and costly.
Would appreciate more videos on the control system and operation of AHU like S/A setpoints , fire matrix different opereting scenarios. On the system I work vav damper position is never 100% open, when as commissioning technican we tell the pressure setpoint all vav have to be i some way closes, usually we trying to achieve one vav which is about 90% open and other vavs are little bit more shut
If a there are vav or end of line reheat coils of any type I like the ahu to put out 60f . This gives cooling potential and is easily reheated . This would also depend on climate.
I have 0 interest in HVAC but man this video was good. When COVID ends and I go back into the office, I'm gonna pretend I'm smart: "So is a VAV or CAV system?"
Brother that was a perfect explanation and I have an doubt those fan connected to the inlet vav terminal should only be used if the room is quite big isn't it
To someone not involved in the trade, yes, it would seem like an obscure subject. But actually this system is used in practically every modern office building in existence. So it is extremely common and not at all obscure for people in the know. It is just one of the many, many things running above your head in the ceiling of an office building that you never see. Along with a plethora of computer wires, piping and electrical wiring.
With a lot of real life VAV experience I have to say that you do not want to exhaust all or most of your return air. In cold conditions (30's and 40's in Southern California) it is better to exhaust a portion of the air (typically 20% for indoor air quality) and recycle most of the warm air because it is very hard and expensive to bring this cold OSA air up to a high enough temperature to heat the room. Conversely, in the summer, you do not want to exhaust you building air that you have cooled to the low 70's and bring in 105 degrees outside air and try to cool it. Normally there is what is called a mixed air control, and you can modulate your return air and outside air to get proper mixed air temp. In this senario. during cold conditions you can maintain a 60 mixed air temp that is easy to heat and the cold air can cool the room ( called an economizer function) without any expensive mechanical cooling. As the outside air reaches mild temperature, then you can go into full outside air supply for air quality purposes. As temperatures increase. then usually the system will do an enthalpy calculation on the return air and OSA, and exhaust whichever one has a higher heat content. As OSA temperatures increase then it will go back to the 20% OSA mix for efficient cooling .Also reheat is unnecessary and expensive. A better system has is what is called a hot deck and a cold deck in the unit and each zone has its own duct with 2 damper actuators, one hot and one cold, that way the system can vary the amount of hot or cold constant temperature air to the room but never mixes them which is very energy wastefull, especially with highly costly and inefficient strip heaters.
Thank you so much for explaining the reheat coil. I was a service technician for the gas utility in St Louis, Missouri; I was working at a new construction University Building in the middle of July and could not understand why I had a rush order from the mechanical contractor to get the gas turned on to a small package boiler (200,000 BTU). They informed me it was to offset the air conditioning load in different parts of the building. For years I could not understand the mechanical engineers thoughts on this design ( thought it was a waste of energy). At least now I understand its usefulness but I still think it's a waste of energy. Isn't there a way to use the hot outside air with a heat exchanger to do the same thing ? ( using a heat exchanger( hot water or air), I would think it my eliminate the humidity problem & save energy ?).
I have AHU with VAV's all at the air handler units that are going to different zones. Do you have videos to show how those are controlled from all the thermostats?
Hey Paul, I’m a huge fan of your videos. I have a question I wanted to ask, feel free to respond or disregard this inquiry at your discretion. I manage the facilities for a commercial space that has a single zone totaling 786,000 cubic feet. The design intent for this area’s HVAC is a single zone VAV system, served by a total of 7 package RTU’s dedicated to this one space, each unit can move up to 21,500 cfm of airflow and is equipped with power exhaust fans. My question is, can a large single zone such as this be served by 7 RTU’s all operating in single zone VAV operation, or should they all be utilizing duct static pressure for fan speed controls? I will also point out that these units do not communicate with each other as the BAS can only support setpoint adjustment, so each unit’s fan speed adjusts to it’s individual zone temperature reading via a zone thermostat. Apologies for writing this long form, but I didn’t want to miss any pertinent details. Again please disregard answering this if so inclined, just wanted to see if I could get someone else’s input. Keep making videos my friend, you do an excellent job!
hi. good video. you mind to allow auto generate english subtitle? I watch things in 4x speed nowadays. only managed to read subtitle though with that speed. good video again! thanks
Great video, thank you! Actually doing a school project and VAVs are a part of it. Does anyone know how you would troubleshoot a vav box, or where I can find that information?
Typically when troubleshooting VAV boxes you want to ensure that the dampers are fully opening and closing. You also want to ensure the electrical reheater/hot water valve is opening and closing fully. If not, it’s likely a bad controller or actuator. It can get more complex though, when measuring CFMs to find velocity and adjusting K factors!
the floor area ratio of mechanical room - office space in the "Basic office VAV System" is not to scale right? o.o it is just enlarged to better show the components I hope. Also of course thanks for the great video. Using to study for ARE5.0. since our architecture schooling is so ever lacking...
The fan assist explanation uses a parallel box but adds the explanation from a series box (constant flow) where the fan in in a different location within the box. This can be confusing to a student.
Curious how the AHU exhaust fan is controlled. I would imagine that it's desirable to maintain a slight positive pressure within the building at all times. Is it so controlled?
So , assuming that the system is running , and VAVs are open partially , how would the main air blower be adjusted ? To avoid high pressure within duct resulted from the VAVs being partially opened ? Are blowers VFDs driven ?
Great explanation sir. Will look for more videos about ACMV/HVAC system. Appreciate it. Great job. Keep it up. We will always with The Engineering Mindset.
Doesn't the VAV's connect to the main AHU? I mean, you can calculate the most efficient air temperature (supply temperature) and flow rate, based on data from all thermostat's setpoint, all thermostat's current measurement, and the pressure. Of course, this still means you sometimes have to run the electrical heaters, but its possible to calculate, if its more efficient, to increase the supply air temperature, if for example many zones demand heating, or if its more efficient to run the heaters in the few zones that need the heat. (And also anticipiate changes - for example, if the pressure is high because of VAVs demanding more heat and are pretty much closed, you don't need to lower the speed of fan, if you know that you will send warmer air and many VAVs will then open more) Basically, the VAV's should be able to send a signal to the AHU when its either fully open (demand for more cooling), or when its at its maximum allowable close rate (ergo, almost closed but you still need fresh air) - (demand for more heating). So the ideal thing would be to have a controller, which takes in dry contact signals for each VAV (either fully open or "fully closed") and then, emulates a "big thermostat" to the AHU, demanding cooling or heating, until all VAVs are either satisfyed (no VAV is fully open or closed), or as few as possible VAVs sending demands. (so if you have only VAVs that demand heating, you need to heat up the supply air more, and if you only have VAVs which are fully open and demand more cool, you need to cool the air, and if you have both VAVs demanding cooling, and VAVs demanding heating, you need to cool the air just enough so the VAVs that demand cooling get their things right, but the VAVs that demand more heat, needs to turn on their heaters) (If you have many VAVs, to avoid a lot of wiring, its best with a loop, with resistor in paralell for each relay, so the total loop resistance tells how many VAVs are requesting, so a zero or very low resistance on the cooling line means all VAVs demand cooling, and a zero or very low resistance on the heating line, means all VAVs demand heating) But sometimes, it can also be more efficient to heat the temperature of the supply air a bit, if the demand for cooling is only in a few zones, and a lot of zones demand heating, then you can "ignore" those zones demanding cooling, but still give them as much cool as possible, while also satisfying VAVs that want warmer air. for smaller VAV systems, it would be the best just to connect dry contact relays in parallel, for "maximum open" and "maximum close" - and connect them into the "demand for cooling" and "demand for heating" ports of AHU. But then it need to be configured that if it gets a call for cooling AND heating, cooling needs to take priority. (could be easily solved by having a relay in series with the heating call, that will break the connection there once there exist a call for cooling - unless the controller can be configured to ignore heating calls when there is a cooling call)
I like the idea but one thing I see being an issue is that.. Say your room is 74 degrees, you want to cool it down to 67 degrees. If the air being discharged into the room is 66 degrees or so its going to take a really long time and it will need a lot of air before it gets down to 67. I realize time usually is a big deal when it comes to this stuff but it may just be too slow. Also I don't know a lot about the air volume, would the amount of air needed be better/more efficient than just cooling the air down more?
@@irevan27 Correct, but then the device in question don't need to open fully, but almost fully. That means there will not be any demand for cooling, unless another room wants even cooler than that. What I have understand, the thermostats for a VAV isn't simple on/off devices, but devices with communications, that can tell the difference between the setpoint and the current temperature, so the VAV knows how much it should open with regards to demand. However, thermostats to AHUs and heaters and similiar, is simple on/off devices, which just shorts certain inputs on the AHU to demand full blast on cooling or full blast on heating. Of course, VAV needs a means to know the temperature of the incoming air, but that would be solved with a simple thermistor on the input, mounted in such a way so the actual air flow doesn't cool it, so it measures static air temperature.
VAV doesn't communicate directly with AHU. As VAV's open and close duct static pressure increases/decreases. The fan will ramp up/down to maintain a minimum static - typically 1" - 1-1/2"w.c. VAV's never close otherwise fresh air dictated by code wouldn't enter zones. BMS can scan zones and change discharge air temp up/down to save energy (reset)
Usually you have to keep the discharge temperature of the AHU at 55 deg F or below to keep the space dehumidified so you cannot reset the supply air temperature based on terminal unit damper positions in humid climates unless you have pretreated outside air being delivered to the AHU. Keep in mind usually new systems will require static pressure reset based on terminal unit damper positions which will save your fan energy. If the unit uses static pressure reset and temperature reset then the sequence would need to be written so they don't fight each other. In humid climates the engineers generally will reset discharge temperature within a very minimal range so humidity is not introduced into the building. In other words static pressure reset is better for humid environments and no one solution works for all environments.
@@thomascocker2427 Exactly, thats what I meant with "(And also anticipiate changes - for example, if the pressure is high because of VAVs demanding more heat and are pretty much closed, you don't need to lower the speed of fan, if you know that you will send warmer air and many VAVs will then open more)". The logic needs to anticipiate that the VAVs will regulate, and then take that into account, and not slow down the fan if you set a new temperature based on VAV demand. Only after a certain time, where you know that all VAVs have adapted to the new discharge temperature, then you know you can start regulating fan speed based on static pressure. The problems with fixed discharge temperature, is that some VAVs will demand more heat requiring turning on the heater, which means you waste energy to cool air, and then waste energy to heat it up again. Then it would save much more energy to just not cool it down as much. Of course, this only applies if MANY VAV's demand more heat than its available at the AHU. With "demanding heat", I mean when its at its minimal air position, and cannot close any more. And same way the opposite, if VAVs demand more cool than the discharge temperature can supply - ergo when many VAVs are wide open, then you need to lower the discharge temperature, so the VAV does not need to be 100% open. Thats why, you for a larger system, need a controller, which can "collect the demands" from all the VAVs, then, apply some voting logic on it, and then send instructions to AHU to regulate to satisfy as many VAVs as possible. For smaller system you only need a system where any VAV can send any demand to the AHU. The idea with the regulation logic, is that you need to "satisfy the VAV's" - with that I mean the ideal situation is where no VAV is fully open or in its minimal air position. Such a situation, means the VAVs will also be able to satisfy the temperature requests from the zone thermostats as there is room for the VAVs to regulate.
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Just FYI the damper on the terminal unit should never be 100% open. If the static pressure setpoint is set correctly by the Test and Balance / Commissioning contractor the damper will never be open 100%. The damper controls to a max cooling airflow and if it cannot achieve that airflow at any time there is an issue with the way the system was setup.
Hvacr guy here. We really appreciate the videos on how these types of systems work. If I had money to burn I would contribute to you, and eventually we will buy you coffees.
I am interested about your videos. I am from sri lanka. Here students are mostly in troubles of understanding english medium contents thanks to the education system financial level od our people. I like to translate your videos in to my language. So my people can understand them. I am not a animation creator to make animations like this. So i would like to ask, may i use your videos to create my content(at least parts) on non- commercial purpose. If you agree tell me how we can make this happen without copyright strikes. At least tell me the software which you use to create thess videos
Nicely done. As a control's technician for 34 years, having started up and commissioned several 1,000's of these things, I agree with all that you have put forth in this Video. Great work.
Hi Mark.
Have You commisioned Cyclone system for Pneumatic Lifting. i doubt pitot tube system will work flawless, because air contain dust / fiber.
i'm trying to use air speed sensor as feedback controller, since get proper pressure sesnor for my need is hard.
do you have any experience with it ?
Thank you.
Hello from South Africa, the other days I was discussing VAV with a controls guy who wasn't really clued up on HVAC. I told him to go check out Engineering mindsets! Perfectly timed video - randomly popped up in my RUclips feed.
That is good timing!
The controls guy wasn't familiar with VAVs? Are they not common in South Africa? I have been doing controls in the US for 10 years and I deal with VAV systems almost every day.
I do both hvac and control (ddc and pneumatic) . I often find controls guys can do excellent programming but don't always understand how the system itself runs .
HVAC design engineer and NEBB certified TAB contractor here. Your vids are excellent…well done. As a TAB contractor, two of my favorite things are (1) Siemens Controls and (2) Autoflow valves for flow control on the VAV boxes.
Hi Guys, as a HVAC and specially as a VAV controller manufacturer, I regularly need to explain Basic HVAC concepts to our none technical people that work in our factory. Your videos are an extraordinary pedagogical tool to explain and train them. Thank you for your work. When will you make one on humidifiers? if you need some technical tools or need to validate, it will be a pleasure as we also manufacture all kinds of isothermal and adiabatic humidifiers !!! Cheers from Canada!!
Awesome video. Total pressure enters forward facing holes on VAV inlet. Total pressure is velocity and static. Holes on backside of second tube doesn't sense low, just static. Controller measures differential pressure which is only velocity, the statics cancel themselves out. Having averaged velocity pressure and known duct size area gives control actual CFM. You have made a great video!
Great explanation on VAV systems/terminals. For those who wonder what is the difference between a VVT and a VAV terminal box... VVT does not have an air flow feedback.
It's now interesting to watch this video, as this is literally my job despite not having even heard of a VAV system 6 months ago.
My job is the controller aspect of the system. Tweaking internal coding, values, confirming everything is operational, and networking all of them together and to the central BMS mainframe.
I want to make a few notes:
First of all, this is a perfect example of a concept I am quite fond of: increasing resolution of a system by adding more discrete units to it.
For example, the old way would have been to have a Constant Volume AHU blasting air to every space of every floor no matter the actual temperature in those specific areas.
Possibly oversimplified as just "heat" or "cool" for the ENTIRE building.
Then maybe you segregate each floor to have independent control. Probably better as heat rises, so the top floor needs less heat than the basement.
Then, within each floor, you add these VAV units to greatly increase local temperature control.
"LOCAL" is the key word.
But it is always a compromise of ultimate local control vs cost and complexity.
Rarely does every single office room have its own thermostat and VAV. Usually one stat will control air for 3-5 rooms.
On the other hand, some large open spaces may have several thermostats in each corner for example, each one controlling an independent VAV.
Long ago, these units were actually pneumatic controlled. Now they are all digital control.
Even a small office building may have 30-40 of these VAVs per floor.
They usually can operate independently, in case of network failure, but can be monitored and controlled from an executive front end.
The key concept here is modulation in the controls.
The damper can be anywhere from 0-100%, constantly modulating to maintain setpoint. It may only modulate by 1 or 2%.
The controllers use PID control algorithms to maintain setpoint.
Monitoring input data such as room temp, discharge temp from the VAV, occupancy mode, and others.
It is a bottom-up system.
Each VAV modulates independently to its assigned room temperature.
The AHU then modulates its speed (via VFD) to maintain setpoint (static duct pressure) in reaction to VAVs opening or closing.
Another note is that the duct pressure sensor I've always heard to be 2/3 down the duct, not at the very end, which is interesting.
The AHU uses chilled water to cool tbe supply air. The outside air compressor, or chiller, then modulates itself based on the return temperature of that chilled water.
Many systems now take into account air quality, mostly CO2 data, but also room humidity.
When possible, the AHUs will open their outside dampers to use cooler outside air, known as economy mode or 'free cooling'.
Regardless of outside air temp, that outside air damper must remain open to a certain degree for CO2 regulation.
So the damper opens with low outside air temps, and closes with warm outside air Temps, and also regulates itself on CO2 content.
Electric reheaters in the VAV boxes are becoming increasingly common. "Value engineering"
Electric boxes are cheaper and easier to make and install.
Just run power (usually 277v) and done! The alternative is hot water reheat, which requires water pipes running to (and from) each box and a valve actuator.
The flip-side is that Electric heat is very expensive.
Additionally, buildings usually only have reheat boxes (of any kind) along the perimeter of the building. The central VAVs are typically cooling only.
Fan-powered boxes do exist, but are rather uncommon in my experience.
Very good explained. Thanks a lot.
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Excellent video, as always Engineering Mindset! As a Building Automation System Integrator/Engineer, this is a perfect simple video explanation of the principles of a standard VAV AHU system. I'll share this with any clients who may want to educate themselves on the operating principles of VAV HVACs!
An important thing to bear in mind is that many HVAC systems will contain a butterfly valve near the VAV system to back-feed the air back to the source. This valve is often wired to the thermostat via a mechatronic system. This is one of the many ways in which an HVAC system will modulate the air supply to produce comfortable conditions.
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thanks for the lecture finally understood such messy topics within such a limited time
For what it’s worth, network and server rooms should not be on a building’s VAV system. These rooms typically require constant cooling which is super inefficient as the AHU has to run all night/weekend. Also, return air is a common feature. Local codes only dictate the amount of fresh air per occupant or square foot, they don’t prohibit the return air.
What should these rooms be hooked up to?
@@DailYxDosE many times they have a dedicated FCU with cooling in 100% recirculation mode. This would be for a small server or equipment room. Larger systems like data centers/server farms such as Apple, Google, Amazon and Facebook use more complex systems involving evaporative cooling.
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Thank you so much. This makes understanding my job so much easier.
Great video. Installing my first VAV system in an office building and this helped so much in just understanding the basic function of it.
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This helps me a lot in understanding the VAV system. Keep it up mate.
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Depending on the building layout, a large HVAC system can contain one VAV or dozens (or hundreds)-which is to be decided jointly by the customers and the mechanical engineers. The reasons for an increased number of VAVs are many, with the predominant reason being a need for more varied temperatures across the building.
Very helpful to understand of buildings management system.
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I have been enjoying this system in my office without knowing how it works.
Glad you like it!
Most of what you explained in this video is correct except when there is a high demand for a VAV terminal to provide more cooling it will output maximum design air flow programmed in the controller instead of positioning the damper full open.
I often see new designs undersized for airflow . Besides just controlling co2 air is the medium for transferring heat and cooling to the space
Very educational Sir,
I've one short question, please
What if I keep the AHU Supply & Return Fan running at constant speed , I mean I don't install the pressure sensor ?
What would happen, please
Thank you very much, the video was really informative and helpful!
Could you make a video about "Dedicated Outdoor Air Systems"? It seems so similar to a air handling unit but they say that its more efficient??
Excellent video Paul well done
Thank you for making this video.
Another great video and addition to your previous VAV/CAV video!!! Please keep these videos coming!
Yes the old one was poor quality. I hope to remake more of the older ones
Thank you Paul ! Awesome vid , illustrated by great modelling and video
I really enjoy your HVAC videos!
You should do a video on superheat and subcool.
Already did ruclips.net/video/K0xAKzdROEg/видео.html
@@EngineeringMindset Sweet!
Good to know more about VAV's 👍🏻
Maybe it's different in America, but in Australia you're generally recirculating most of the air while bringing in a small portion of fresh air. Hospitals and some buildings still require 100% fresh air, but for the most part we have a minimal amount coming in.
That type of system means you must move alot of air to satisfy to satisfy co2 . The advantage is large air volumes are great for free cooling applications. The downside is your moving large volumes of air to get to get a much less amount of outside air . This required larger equipment and larger duct sizing and more energy to move the air . 100 percent outside air systems can move just much less air so less smaller equipment and ducts can be used . Instead of using return air to heat incoming air you can using a heat exchanger taking heat from the exhaust . This is a more modern way . This is especially true when floor space and ceiling space is a premium and costly.
Many thanks for the explanation e the beautiful animation. The VAV has been very used and picked out for new projects!
Glad it was helpful!
Very nicely explained
Thanks for liking
So well explained.
This is such a **great channel.
Good explanation.
Thank you for doing this!
Would appreciate more videos on the control system and operation of AHU like S/A setpoints , fire matrix different opereting scenarios. On the system I work vav damper position is never 100% open, when as commissioning technican we tell the pressure setpoint all vav have to be i some way closes, usually we trying to achieve one vav which is about 90% open and other vavs are little bit more shut
If a there are vav or end of line reheat coils of any type I like the ahu to put out 60f . This gives cooling potential and is easily reheated . This would also depend on climate.
Excellent.... this video is full of information....
Is vav terminal also known as plenum?
Or plenum is a different thing?
Please reply
Very knowledgeable 👍
In AHU supply we can control temperature for each room by VCD.valium control demper.Since 1967 I am related with HVAC.
I have 0 interest in HVAC but man this video was good. When COVID ends and I go back into the office, I'm gonna pretend I'm smart: "So is a VAV or CAV system?"
Did you do it?
That's cool
cool because it was cooled by cooling system:)
VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO...👍
Glad you liked it
@@EngineeringMindset obviously...it's really hard to make animations
Brother that was a perfect explanation and I have an doubt those fan connected to the inlet vav terminal should only be used if the room is quite big isn't it
Also static pressure sensors are typically located 2/3rds down the main duct work, not at the end.
Quite obscure subject but a very well put together video. Thank you :)
To someone not involved in the trade, yes, it would seem like an obscure subject. But actually this system is used in practically every modern office building in existence. So it is extremely common and not at all obscure for people in the know.
It is just one of the many, many things running above your head in the ceiling of an office building that you never see. Along with a plethora of computer wires, piping and electrical wiring.
As usual another fantastic video. I’ve learned so much from subscribing to your channel . 👍👍
I love this channel
your logo is really cool. I'm going to buy a shirt.
god understading nice job brother excellent
great video. how about VAV in cyclone system for pneumatic lifting and separating.
dusty air could make pitot tube cloged and make calculation wrong.
Wow Wonder Amazing Lot's Thanks for provided Such a Air conditioning unit important Knowledge.
With a lot of real life VAV experience I have to say that you do not want to exhaust all or most of your return air. In cold conditions (30's and 40's in Southern California) it is better to exhaust a portion of the air (typically 20% for indoor air quality) and recycle most of the warm air because it is very hard and expensive to bring this cold OSA air up to a high enough temperature to heat the room. Conversely, in the summer, you do not want to exhaust you building air that you have cooled to the low 70's and bring in 105 degrees outside air and try to cool it. Normally there is what is called a mixed air control, and you can modulate your return air and outside air to get proper mixed air temp. In this senario. during cold conditions you can maintain a 60 mixed air temp that is easy to heat and the cold air can cool the room ( called an economizer function) without any expensive mechanical cooling. As the outside air reaches mild temperature, then you can go into full outside air supply for air quality purposes. As temperatures increase. then usually the system will do an enthalpy calculation on the return air and OSA, and exhaust whichever one has a higher heat content. As OSA temperatures increase then it will go back to the 20% OSA mix for efficient cooling .Also reheat is unnecessary and expensive. A better system has is what is called a hot deck and a cold deck in the unit and each zone has its own duct with 2 damper actuators, one hot and one cold, that way the system can vary the amount of hot or cold constant temperature air to the room but never mixes them which is very energy wastefull, especially with highly costly and inefficient strip heaters.
Very useful information thanks.
Hi! Can you do a video on when to use a vav box with reheat vs fan powered box with reheat?
In case if we have to maintain ACPH in the area like sterile application.
How the functioning will be
Kindly update different versions
Thank you for knowledgeable information in this video.
Thank you so much for explaining the reheat coil. I was a service technician for the gas utility in St Louis, Missouri; I was working at a new construction University Building in the middle of July and could not understand why I had a rush order from the mechanical contractor to get the gas turned on to a small package boiler (200,000 BTU). They informed me it was to offset the air conditioning load in different parts of the building. For years I could not understand the mechanical engineers thoughts on this design ( thought it was a waste of energy). At least now I understand its usefulness but I still think it's a waste of energy. Isn't there a way to use the hot outside air with a heat exchanger to do the same thing ? ( using a heat exchanger( hot water or air), I would think it my eliminate the humidity problem & save energy ?).
thanks for your video.
I have AHU with VAV's all at the air handler units that are going to different zones. Do you have videos to show how those are controlled from all the thermostats?
Hey Paul, I’m a huge fan of your videos. I have a question I wanted to ask, feel free to respond or disregard this inquiry at your discretion.
I manage the facilities for a commercial space that has a single zone totaling 786,000 cubic feet. The design intent for this area’s HVAC is a single zone VAV system, served by a total of 7 package RTU’s dedicated to this one space, each unit can move up to 21,500 cfm of airflow and is equipped with power exhaust fans.
My question is, can a large single zone such as this be served by 7 RTU’s all operating in single zone VAV operation, or should they all be utilizing duct static pressure for fan speed controls? I will also point out that these units do not communicate with each other as the BAS can only support setpoint adjustment, so each unit’s fan speed adjusts to it’s individual zone temperature reading via a zone thermostat.
Apologies for writing this long form, but I didn’t want to miss any pertinent details. Again please disregard answering this if so inclined, just wanted to see if I could get someone else’s input. Keep making videos my friend, you do an excellent job!
Wonderful explain ways
Great video, thank you
Good explanation👍
Thank you 😃
Waiting more hvac related videos.
hi. good video. you mind to allow auto generate english subtitle? I watch things in 4x speed nowadays. only managed to read subtitle though with that speed. good video again! thanks
thank u for your explaination ,please which tools do u use to draw the schematic?
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Did you watch our time delay video? many examples in there
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Great video.
Great video, thank you! Actually doing a school project and VAVs are a part of it. Does anyone know how you would troubleshoot a vav box, or where I can find that information?
Typically when troubleshooting VAV boxes you want to ensure that the dampers are fully opening and closing. You also want to ensure the electrical reheater/hot water valve is opening and closing fully. If not, it’s likely a bad controller or actuator. It can get more complex though, when measuring CFMs to find velocity and adjusting K factors!
your video presentation is very good, but even after watching my one doubt didn't cleared- Connection of hose pipes..
Are the AHU and VAVs working together in conjunction based on the BAS sequencing?
100/100 nice video thank you so much
Make vedio on static duct pressure and how we can control the cooling valve by humidity.
Great video👍
Glad you enjoyed
the floor area ratio of mechanical room - office space in the "Basic office VAV System" is not to scale right? o.o it is just enlarged to better show the components I hope. Also of course thanks for the great video. Using to study for ARE5.0. since our architecture schooling is so ever lacking...
Thank you so much this video is so helpful .can you do a VRV system video
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thanks verry much
Nice explanation
Thanks and welcome
Thanks sir ❤️👍
Most welcome
Well done!
Thank you so much.
Sumiler system we can operate by chilled water actuator control motor to maintian room tempture.
Please make video on AHU Coil design
The fan assist explanation uses a parallel box but adds the explanation from a series box (constant flow) where the fan in in a different location within the box. This can be confusing to a student.
Can you control different temps and pressures with these devices on different rooms and zones if they are connected to the same AhU
Curious how the AHU exhaust fan is controlled. I would imagine that it's desirable to maintain a slight positive pressure within the building at all times. Is it so controlled?
So , assuming that the system is running , and VAVs are open partially , how would the main air blower be adjusted ? To avoid high pressure within duct resulted from the VAVs being partially opened ? Are blowers VFDs driven ?
Yes they are vfd controlled
Great vid
SIR CAN U MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT BASIC PHYSICS WITH CALCULUS PLEASE.
Can you make vedios on bms system and bms Programming
Great explanation sir.
Will look for more videos about ACMV/HVAC system. Appreciate it.
Great job. Keep it up. We will always with The Engineering Mindset.
Doesn't the VAV's connect to the main AHU? I mean, you can calculate the most efficient air temperature (supply temperature) and flow rate, based on data from all thermostat's setpoint, all thermostat's current measurement, and the pressure.
Of course, this still means you sometimes have to run the electrical heaters, but its possible to calculate, if its more efficient, to increase the supply air temperature, if for example many zones demand heating, or if its more efficient to run the heaters in the few zones that need the heat.
(And also anticipiate changes - for example, if the pressure is high because of VAVs demanding more heat and are pretty much closed, you don't need to lower the speed of fan, if you know that you will send warmer air and many VAVs will then open more)
Basically, the VAV's should be able to send a signal to the AHU when its either fully open (demand for more cooling), or when its at its maximum allowable close rate (ergo, almost closed but you still need fresh air) - (demand for more heating).
So the ideal thing would be to have a controller, which takes in dry contact signals for each VAV (either fully open or "fully closed") and then, emulates a "big thermostat" to the AHU, demanding cooling or heating, until all VAVs are either satisfyed (no VAV is fully open or closed), or as few as possible VAVs sending demands. (so if you have only VAVs that demand heating, you need to heat up the supply air more, and if you only have VAVs which are fully open and demand more cool, you need to cool the air, and if you have both VAVs demanding cooling, and VAVs demanding heating, you need to cool the air just enough so the VAVs that demand cooling get their things right, but the VAVs that demand more heat, needs to turn on their heaters)
(If you have many VAVs, to avoid a lot of wiring, its best with a loop, with resistor in paralell for each relay, so the total loop resistance tells how many VAVs are requesting, so a zero or very low resistance on the cooling line means all VAVs demand cooling, and a zero or very low resistance on the heating line, means all VAVs demand heating)
But sometimes, it can also be more efficient to heat the temperature of the supply air a bit, if the demand for cooling is only in a few zones, and a lot of zones demand heating, then you can "ignore" those zones demanding cooling, but still give them as much cool as possible, while also satisfying VAVs that want warmer air.
for smaller VAV systems, it would be the best just to connect dry contact relays in parallel, for "maximum open" and "maximum close" - and connect them into the "demand for cooling" and "demand for heating" ports of AHU. But then it need to be configured that if it gets a call for cooling AND heating, cooling needs to take priority. (could be easily solved by having a relay in series with the heating call, that will break the connection there once there exist a call for cooling - unless the controller can be configured to ignore heating calls when there is a cooling call)
I like the idea but one thing I see being an issue is that.. Say your room is 74 degrees, you want to cool it down to 67 degrees. If the air being discharged into the room is 66 degrees or so its going to take a really long time and it will need a lot of air before it gets down to 67. I realize time usually is a big deal when it comes to this stuff but it may just be too slow. Also I don't know a lot about the air volume, would the amount of air needed be better/more efficient than just cooling the air down more?
@@irevan27 Correct, but then the device in question don't need to open fully, but almost fully. That means there will not be any demand for cooling, unless another room wants even cooler than that.
What I have understand, the thermostats for a VAV isn't simple on/off devices, but devices with communications, that can tell the difference between the setpoint and the current temperature, so the VAV knows how much it should open with regards to demand.
However, thermostats to AHUs and heaters and similiar, is simple on/off devices, which just shorts certain inputs on the AHU to demand full blast on cooling or full blast on heating.
Of course, VAV needs a means to know the temperature of the incoming air, but that would be solved with a simple thermistor on the input, mounted in such a way so the actual air flow doesn't cool it, so it measures static air temperature.
VAV doesn't communicate directly with AHU. As VAV's open and close duct static pressure increases/decreases. The fan will ramp up/down to maintain a minimum static - typically 1" - 1-1/2"w.c. VAV's never close otherwise fresh air dictated by code wouldn't enter zones. BMS can scan zones and change discharge air temp up/down to save energy (reset)
Usually you have to keep the discharge temperature of the AHU at 55 deg F or below to keep the space dehumidified so you cannot reset the supply air temperature based on terminal unit damper positions in humid climates unless you have pretreated outside air being delivered to the AHU. Keep in mind usually new systems will require static pressure reset based on terminal unit damper positions which will save your fan energy. If the unit uses static pressure reset and temperature reset then the sequence would need to be written so they don't fight each other. In humid climates the engineers generally will reset discharge temperature within a very minimal range so humidity is not introduced into the building. In other words static pressure reset is better for humid environments and no one solution works for all environments.
@@thomascocker2427 Exactly, thats what I meant with "(And also anticipiate changes - for example, if the pressure is high because of VAVs demanding more heat and are pretty much closed, you don't need to lower the speed of fan, if you know that you will send warmer air and many VAVs will then open more)".
The logic needs to anticipiate that the VAVs will regulate, and then take that into account, and not slow down the fan if you set a new temperature based on VAV demand. Only after a certain time, where you know that all VAVs have adapted to the new discharge temperature, then you know you can start regulating fan speed based on static pressure.
The problems with fixed discharge temperature, is that some VAVs will demand more heat requiring turning on the heater, which means you waste energy to cool air, and then waste energy to heat it up again. Then it would save much more energy to just not cool it down as much. Of course, this only applies if MANY VAV's demand more heat than its available at the AHU. With "demanding heat", I mean when its at its minimal air position, and cannot close any more.
And same way the opposite, if VAVs demand more cool than the discharge temperature can supply - ergo when many VAVs are wide open, then you need to lower the discharge temperature, so the VAV does not need to be 100% open.
Thats why, you for a larger system, need a controller, which can "collect the demands" from all the VAVs, then, apply some voting logic on it, and then send instructions to AHU to regulate to satisfy as many VAVs as possible. For smaller system you only need a system where any VAV can send any demand to the AHU.
The idea with the regulation logic, is that you need to "satisfy the VAV's" - with that I mean the ideal situation is where no VAV is fully open or in its minimal air position. Such a situation, means the VAVs will also be able to satisfy the temperature requests from the zone thermostats as there is room for the VAVs to regulate.