Rachel’s Plus One Monologue from ‘The White Lotus’ S01E06
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2022
- Alexandra Daddario as Rachel Patton in Episode 6 of The White Lotus Season 1.
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I think in the end she doesn't have enough self-esteem to believe she can make it on her own.
Men should avoid pathetic women like Rachel, and women should avoid asshole men like Shane like the plague, unless they are completely shameless gold-diggers. There......I said it.
Or she was afraid, perhaps she thinks that the “accident” was intentional.
Or it teaches us to settle and stick to something for once instead of running away
I think even if she previously did, the world in the hotel kept drilling into her that she was nothing more than her looks
@@kernalfleakIf that’s truly your take away from their storyline you really need to go back and rewatch the entire season.
And with one scene Alexandra Daddario earns an Emmy nomination.
Shes a terrible actor she cant show emotion well at all. Shes so robotic.
She and Belinda had the most tragic storyline out of the whole cast. Her story crushed me and I am a bit sad to see people write her problems off and invalidate her as if "she should have known." To me, her whole point is that money is not the only love language she values. Yes, she appreciates the treats that come with luxury - there probably was some hedonistic delight in indulging in the treats of her husband but at the same time, she wanted to still know she is capable of simultaneously chasing her own dreams. Her ask was not that big. She was thinking of taking on a job she thought could advance her (yes even if she has qualms about it). Why couldn't that co-exist? What exactly was it taking away from Shane? It wasn't like Shane had a whole week filled with plans and that they'd be ruined - he was just having food, reading and swimming. Shane pressured her saying that it's their honeymoon and then used money to encourage her to let the dream go.
i think cuz he thinks she can’t make money in it. to be fair, journalism is a rather thankless and penny pinching profession, but she can still make a decent life for herself with her own career if she had more backbone.
Thank you! It's really bizarre and kind of horrifying to me to see people acting like Rachel's problems are trivial or like Shane is the victim here. She's realizing that the man she loves isn't who she thought he was. She's realizing that he doesn't really respect her. That is not the WORST problem in the world, but it is still very much a real problem. Anyone would be upset if that happened to them!
Her: "I'm not okay with being just a helpless trophy wife Shane, an appendage like all these other women, I need to respect myself."
Him (what he SHOULD have said): "Ok, so don't be. You want to be a journalist, right? Go back to school, hone your craft, take some more writing classes, read more! I'll support your goals."
Her: "I don't have the fucking talent to be a journalist, Shane. I know I'll never be one, okay?? I'm a terrible writer. There, I said it. I just want you to forever keep coddling me and reassuring me that I have what it takes, like I'm an immature 20 year old girl."
@@sateleim She could make a decent career as a journalist if she was talented with words, well-traveled with interesting life experiences, and well-read. But she was none of those things. Rachel wanted great things, but she forgot that you need TALENT and a TON of hard work to get there.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 I guess she wanted to try and get better through trying. I mean you can only get better by trying. She wanted to feel useful. A lot of women worry about being a useless wife.
Congrats to your 1st Emmy Nomination Alexandra 🎉🎉
Her story and Kai's broke my heart
Wow!!! The acting in this scene is amazing 🤯🤯 there’s almost this sense of relief when I watch this scene because for me, Shane was just another example of privilege and entitlement. To have Rachel finally stand her ground was a long time coming in this series, but it was worth it! Just so sad she went back to him after everything she had been through 🙄😭
Rich privilege. His skin color is something out of his control. Sigh.
@@akshaynatu1084 you’re so right!! Tbh, I never saw it that way, however that never made me hate her as a character
@@rebelraccoon9018 it’s because he is white that he has privilege. I’m aware that it’s out of his control, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is privileged
@@sydniscott7275 I don't get it either. How can someone hate a woman who was a trophy wife and whos husband didn't appreciate or understand her. What did she do to deserve hate? Weird.
@@akshaynatu1084 in terms of guests, she is the most genuine, most respectful, and least exploitative of the workers at the hotel. sure, she isn’t perfect but i think that makes her all the more appealing and her story represents so many real women who feel trapped in narcissistic relationships
I love how Alex’s issues are being written off as “rich white lady problems” (even though she’s broke without him) but Shane gets sympathy for not getting his slightly bigger suite. Y’all are ridiculous
A amazing monologue Mrs Alexandra Form Daddario you nailed it
She's too good to be a trophy wife
She's not good at anything. Probably like yourself. Zero talent, no guts.
This dudes momma showed up on his honeymoon? The fuck?
she did. and was determining for this conversation
She did paid for it so...
@@rhythmichallucinatiothe fuck does that have to do with anything? It’s their honeymoon ffs
@@WildflowerWildfire11 first off calm your tits. Secondly if the parent pay for everything she will always claim ownership and superiority over you because you have no financial freedom.
@@WildflowerWildfire11 Because she has control over Shane just like Shane has control over Rachel financially. Are you that dense?
I think the thing that just sucks is that we rooted for her, and I guess we will keep doing so because we want people yo leave a relationship that is clearly not doing them any service. She still went back : /
The acting was incredible but she irritated me as a character. She has no backbone or self-respect.
@@datsweggybruh8775 How can you respect yourself when you suck at everything besides sex, and have no marketable skills? (besides maybe sex)
@@datsweggybruh8775 Leaving him means full financial instability
@@lexijs She still had a job and career aspirations. Although he had more money than her, much rather choose having less money than stuck being miserable with someone like him
@@lexijs she’s also afraid of him. He threatened her, was violent, and [accidentally] killed a man all in the same day. Now she’s fully aware of what he is capable of and what he can get away with. She didn’t see the stabbing, for all she knows he got fed up with Armond, took him out and cried self-defense to get away with it. We don’t know her perspective after the accident.
Kinda worried about the people who are "Team Shane". They don't get it 😂
It just proves how accurate the show is
@@ciaran9789 true
They made it so obvious how emotionally unavailable and dismissive for her he was and how they didn't click at all. He treats her like a trophy wife sex toy and gives no shits about her identity struggles with wanting a career and personal success. It's sad how even in fictional media people jump through hoops to defend the characters of shitty douchebag men. Can't even be too shocked at this point lol
He blatantly flirts with the college girls in the pool, right in front of her. He treats her like an object the entire series, and she knows it.
@@youngandrestlessjean3634 Yet she still chose to marry him because of the advantages it gives. She literally admits it in the scene. I'm not sure how you can give out that much sympathy to her.
The Pineapple suite was reaaally the best one.
I don’t know why but I got a lot of adrenaline in this scene it was quite powerful arguably the storylines are better in season one
People make mistakes. They don't realise at first. When you realize, it's never too late to rectify it. The same happened with Rachel. The reconciliation however, does highlight the unpredictability and complexity of human nature.
Well, I think she did what most of us would do...
We keep pushing on when the going gets tough and when we are down on our knees because we have no choice, she doesn't have the no option option, she has a way out.
It's the human instinct to run away from adversity, it's how our ancestors survived. She's normal, not a masochist or self sabotagging in any way...
But she became acutely aware of what she's become during this trip, and she's not happy about it, but what's the alternative? Uncertainty and destitution...
Shane loves her, he's not perfect (For sure) but he did make her the center of his whole life, as long as she remains an obedient wifey who doesn't do a lot of thinking 😂😅 or so he thought...
He was hoping she'd be unapologetically vapid and in complete denial of it, or at least so self centered she'd come to terms with it at some point.
Welps, she's not. Did they live happily ever after? I don't know, that's the show for you though.
You're gonna think about it.
Also, love that Shane is also young and hot, they could have dumbed this down and made him old or unattractive, but he's not...
And that also gets you thinking, because he's young and hot, but still wants a trophy wife.
Magic in Mike White's writing. Reminds me of Ibsen.
Are you serious? I thought the writing is the weakest part of the show...
Then what is the strength?
@@MAFion none😂. It's honestly such an overrated show
Omg yes, I thought this was her Nora moment with Torvald "this is a reckoning"... Sad that she gave in. It actually kind of reminds me of the alternate ending of A Doll's House when she gave in after seeing her kids. I think with Ibsen though the emphasis is on gender roles, and for Mike it is very clearly on class (though both themes are still eerily relevant in both works).
Alexandra daddrio is sooooo beautiful 😍
Too bad she plays such a godawful woman here
Look at how she slayed this scene though..
It's kinda funny, in a way, she is Alex.
The writing of this show is grand in the way that it influences people to side with one characters versus the other. Even though, every character is flawed and there is no right or wrong perspective from each of their viewpoints.
Imo it doesn’t. It offers comprehensive character analysis where you can agree with one character but not side with them. I think this character is the exception to a certain degree though
The characters are all annoying as shit though. Rich douches with first-world problems.
Some of y'all are judging Rachel for getting married too quickly, but you forget that Shane did the same. He clearly did not try to find out what she wanted out of life before he put a ring on it. And when she very clearly expressed herself to him, he dismisses her every time, tries to solve everything with grand gestures, and flirts with other girls at the resort to make himself feel better. He's an awful husband.
I think he was right about the room though, Armond was being a dick.
"He clearly did not try to find out what she wanted out of life before he put a ring on it"
What do you mean? It's still her who accepted the ring, it was her decision, and she chose the wrong husband.
@@Tracer73866 you're right, she did. And he also chose the wrong wife. And instead of trying to make both of them happy, he very clearly puts his ideals and desires before hers.
My point still stands
@@bluebutterfly5062 But it's not in his nature in the first place, why even expect it from him? She chose the wrong guy, and her being unhappy and miserable in this marriage is the consequence of her own decision.
@@Tracer73866ou said "is not in his nature" exactly! A man like that has no business getting married. If you are not prepared to communicate and consider what is the best for you and your spouse, don't get married.
It's just as much on him to avoid these problems as it is on her.
@@bluebutterfly5062 so you expect a completely apathetic person to restrain himself from getting married because he is not good enough for others lol? These thoughts are not even appearing in his head, it's not his nature, and you should not expect that kind of self-awareness from him. But if YOU are so aware and YOU see that your partner is this completely shallow, apathetic person, then it's YOUR responsibility to not get married to that person. It was completely up to her.
There are so many men who act like Shane and act so confused when they get left
His response to her speech confirmed instantly that she made the right decision to leave him. He doesn't understand or even try to understand her at all. She will always be dismissed, patronized, dominated over as a trophy wife if she stays with him as his reactions to this scene shows us. It's sad that at the end she went back to him. I hope eventually she leaves him.
GIVE HER SOME FLOWERS 💐
Great acting 👏🏻
What is the song at the end of this & during transition to the next scene?!?!
Sea Turtle Song - Cristobal Tapia De Veer
Why is the air in the room off. It’s giving me anxiety.
the whole season is like a slow panic attack. thats the point i guess.
Cus Shane (Jake Lacy) is giving off hot/dangerous Dexter vibes.
To be honest, Rachel is also at fault with her whole "I wanna make a difference" thing. Her desire to make an impact is great, but it is also stemming from a bit of self-centeredness and impracticality. She could have used her newfound wealth to be someone influential, to make a difference. Shane's mom telling her she could just manage the board for fundraising and stuff is a really powerful position to create real tangible change. I bet she could even ask them for her own business and they will give it to her. Her fear of being a mere trophy wife doesnt have to happen, because her husband will allow her to do what she wants (as much of a jerk Shane is, he seems willing to do everything for his wife). Tons of people want to help the world but are caught up with their jobs and chores and worries, but she had an opportunity to have the resources, connections, and time to do just that. But instead of seeing that, she saw it as "I will eitjer just be an arm candy or I get out". No, girl, there is a way you all can win in this.
I think that is why Belinda left her during her rant. Belinda was like, "Really? Thats your problem? I also wanna help people, have my own thing, but I cant because I never had a shot. You have that shot now, and you are whining?"
This kinda tells me that she doesnt really want to make the world a better place, she just wants the feelings that come with it. To have a purpose, to be relevant, which is very understandable and sooo much better than Shane's own focus to his own enjoyment. And she could get all that, again, if she only could stop her pity party.
Except people get to choose HOW they want to make a difference. And she wants to work, period, it's her choice and he has too respect her decisions
It's like saying to medicine student who wants to specialize in heart area to be a eye doctor cause you're still helping.
And Shane is a terrible guy who just wants sex, he doesn't actually like her, he doesn't care for her interests and passions as an individual. He's still attached to his mother in unhealthy ways, he depends on her
@@davidhenriques4829 I didnt say Shane is off the hook. Im just saying they both have faults in this. It takes two to tango. Thats the beauty of the show, no character is 100% good or bad.
I just dont agree with your views with Rachel like i explained in my comment@@hardcandy9880 she gets to choose her life and he didnt gave her that option, he wanted to trap her to a life she didnt want or was used to it
hate to break it to you but private philanthropy doesn’t actually effect material change. nobody gets as rich as shane’s family is without systematically exploiting people, and when it comes to their philanthropic efforts there’s very little transparency. your uncharitable interpretation of rachel’s character aside, it’s simply not true that she could’ve made more of a difference as a trophy wife.
@@oneirocriticaster9402 I work from NGO's side and what Shane's mom said is true, it's about the money. Corporattions do a lot of damage, that is no secret. They do philantrophy and corporate social responsibility partly to make up for the damage, that is well known. But regardless of the intentions or methods, they do actually do help people. Because building electricity and clean water systems in rural areas, researching drugs for deadly diseases, or giving out scholarships actually need funds (surprise!). Rachel means well, but she isnt even good at what she does nor she knows what to do next. For now, she is lucky to have the resources her husband's family is offering her and it is up to her how to use it.
Does anyone know what's the music playing at the end of the scene?
It sounds like a dark version of somewhere over the rainbow
@@mamienovacuisine I found it a couple days ago, it's called La Voz de la Nostalgia.
@@philbelanger2 oh nice cool! I'll check it then too
A lot of the criticisms of her sound like thinly veiled misogyny, just saying
Rachel was just a whiney little b*ch. she wanted the money status everything she just didn’t want to admit it. She knew what she was getting into. And like Nicole said she was clearly not good at her job. Idk wtf was her problem. Shane’s wrath was totally justified armond had tortured him.
I've noticed that too
It’s not veiled at all
This isn't what a monologue is but thank you for posting
She really should've realised all this before the wedding. But I guess that's the point and why The White Lotus is so great, all the characters are flawed in some ways.
Do you think she stayed with him at the end because she was afraid of him? I just dont get her character doing a complete 180 at the end and deciding to stay when she was planning to leave him. What made her change her mind? I guess the explanation I came up with is he threatened to take her down a dark path when she asked for a divorce, then she observed him (from her perspective) harass and kill someone who also got on his bad side, so she put two and two together? i just dont get her character's motivation at the end. I didn't see the "switch" that made her flip from wanting to leave him the entire time to standing there at the airport waiting for him. unless it was some commentary on how people end up being trapped in unfulfilling marriages and choose comfort ultimately over what they want
Maybe, but I figured she went back to him after she tried talking to Belinda, and Belinda straight up left. I think that moment really solidifies for her that no one will really sympathize with her if she leaves him and has money trouble again. Also when Shane kills that guy? In a weird way it gives them more equal footing in their relationship. Shane no longer has all the power in the relationship, and after all who could begrudge Rachel for leaving him after he killed someone.
Playing devil's advocate, the dude broke into his room, causing him to grab a knife out of fear, then basically walked the knife right into his gut they both came around the doorway. Not exactly the actions of a psychopathic killer.
@@OneGaurdian I agree about the facts and it being in self-defense. I am just wondering, from HER perspective, if it might appear like his actions were that of a killer bent on taking down someone? She didn't see what happened in the room so she might assume he is capable of killing someone who crosses him. It just felt out of character for her to go back to him at the end, which is why i am speculating if there was another reason. If she thought she would be the next Armaund since he vaguely threatened her when she wanted to leave.
She was afraid of working at the local Rite-Aid counter and living with her parents forever if she left him. She wasn't going to financially make it on her own.
I considered this too initially. The other alternative is that she left him because she assumed that he was overreacting and acting entitled but ultimately realised that his grievances toward the hotel manager may have been valid after the events that had played out in their room.
Does anyone know where you can buy that dress?
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He calls his wife a “cool chick.”
A cool girl, I know...
She's very nice and not a horrible person in terms of how she treats others, which can be mistaken for a simpleton, I guess.
Shane is a huge man baby !! God I hated his character with a passion and more when he killed armond!!!
Yes... He is disgusting
And yet so many people defend him, it's insane. I felt so much for Rachel.❤
He’s in the right. He should’ve gotten the right room. You’re all doormats. He just wanted the proper room and enjoy the honeymoon. On top of that, the wife complains of non-issues. How ungrateful. Shane didn’t ask her to be plus one. Just to enjoy the comfort he could afford her. I want my wife to just enjoy the things I have and not to worry about anything.
Armond was way worse. Total passive aggressive creep who should have tried to give him his money back right away. It's fine to make mistakes, but fix it. That fake ass smile and politeness was annoying.
Okay am I the only one who thinks that him getting angry about not being given the room he booked is justified?
Thank you!! He was literally being cheated. Why is he supposed to just let that go? Because he’s rich??
Tue room was double booked, and the other people were already there. Yeah, sometimes you gotta let shit go. For the sake of the honeymoon.
The initial anger was justified, but repeatedly making a big deal out of it once they determined the room already had people in it was not.
@@mrjdgibbs do you guys have problems paying attention to the dialogue? The hotel manager lied to him about the price of his room. He was paying for the honeymoon suite despite having been put in an inferior room.
So he was trying to get refunded the difference or get into the honeymoon suite when that couple leaves.
Then the manager lies about when the couple is leaving just to not give it to him.
He’s being lied to and cheated throughout the whole ordeal. At what point is he supposed to stand up for himself?
@@nubisor5042 you know that he was paying more for the honeymoon suite while being put in a cheaper room right? When he asked for clarification on this, the manager lied to him and he only found out later that he was paying for the more expensive room through his mom.
At what point is he supposed to stand up for himself?
Then the manager would pretend to do nice things for his screwup but they were actually spiteful things like putting him on that boat with Tanya and her mom’s ashes.
The manager screwed up and tried to gaslight him into just accepting it as normal instead of making it right.
If you actually think the correct reaction to being cheated and lied to consistently is to let it go and “get over it” then let me sell you my used Toyota at new Tesla prices. I’ll just replace the T emblem on the hood with the Tesla one. Don’t be an entitled baby and complain about it just get over it. You only got cheated once at least it wasn’t consistently.
If i was Shane i would understand her feelings
Why she didn’t bother to understand his feelings
Understand her feelings and then what? She wants to be a strong independent woman but she has no backbone and no talent at anything. How exactly is Shane supposed to fix that? He should support her goals, but she has no idea how to reach her goals and she blames him for it. Rachel is awful.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 period
@@CheerfullyCynical829 you're so weird. She's in love with the man it's totally normal for her to get wrapped up in that. Where did you even get the idea she has no talent? Because one entitled white woman disliked her puff piece? Shane dismissed her and treated her like nothing for the entire show, as well as MURDERED someone and you have this much of a problem with HER?
@@saharasafari9what were his feelings? Wanting another hotel room? Wanting a trophy wife?
Both of them were big baby’s 😂
wtf i dont remember this moonrise kingdom scene
I interpreted her character as flawed yet entirely preventable. She knew she married him fast, and as a result, is having second thoughts. At the moment she can get away, after discussing divorce, she doesn’t. Her problems are a result of complicity
Victim blaming
@@justincera1770 She isn't a victim she put herself in that position. No one tied her down and forced her to marry him.
@@shadysorkin9214it’s more of a struggle with her holding onto her autonomy within this kind of marriage dynamic and their classes clashing. Unfair and dehumanizing emotions sprout up with these kinds of relationships and it should be discussed. Focusing on Victimhood and ‘who’s good and who’s bad’ is just a way to avoid the real issue at hand.
his love and kindness is conditional on her just being submissive and standing there not busting his balls on anything. I’m sure at the beginning he put his best face foreword and the love is basically being bombed: fancy tours, dinners, gifts and luxury. Guys live for the chase and She was the pretty girl to impress and get. Now he’s got her and she’s only noticing his tone death and negative traits on this trip. Because now he doesn’t have to perform as much. She’s married him and emotionally invested.
She’s social currency with his peers: A beautiful and educated woman. She has less wealth and he can lord over her the fact their marriage is hypergamy. She should be grateful for his ‘charity’ bringing her up. It’s a good place to prop a women. The veiled guilt and power can keep a woman fixed in that relationship. Many stay for life. Indifferent and complacent. Afraid to leave because their husbands told them to not get a job and 10 years down the line the woman gets cheated on and they can’t just leave without it being a mess especially with kids involved.
You have to actually be in love for relationships with such different class issues to succeed.
I’m struggling to wonder if this guy actually loves her. They way he shuts her down and doesn’t really care about her concerns and wants to stuff it down with flaunting his own wealth seems off.
She should leave, honestly. Or maybe hope for some growth in their relationship where he sees her as an equal or at least acknowledges her emotions.
If anyone is still sympathising with her by the end of the season then you missed the point entirely. You were supposed to be on her side at first and then slowly come to the realisation she's ridiculously self-pitying and the problems she's having are totally insignificant. Her wealthy white girl problems are supposed to contrast against the problems faced by the non-wealthy characters.
I don't agree. I think she is very sympathetic until the end. Her problems are real. She is living a lie and she is just now realizing she needs out. However, her story ends tragically as basically she realizes at the end that staying with him and embracing the lie is better than the alternative. Her problems are miniscule to the non wealthy characters but she is only wealthy because she is with him which is why she goes back.
I hated her since the beggining because she passes the feeling of not knowing what to want
Yes 👏👏👏👏 I like how Belinda met her to talk. Then she realized she’d listening to snitched rich lady problems. 2:46
@@cg4432 Her problems are that she isn't good at ANYTHING. She has zero marketable skills. None whatsoever. I can't even remember if she has some worthless college degree. She's going to be a depressed kept woman forever and she knows it.
@@cg4432 they stayed together??? I thought they broke up for good. they were seperate from eachother in the airport leaving
One of my favorite scenes ever. They are both flawed and bad, and them staying together at the end is beautiful because it’s both or their acceptance of that. Even if that doesn’t make them morally or ethically correct, everyone can relate to a degree, because we are flawed in varying degrees and areas.
Alexandra is incredible in this but it’s really said her character would continue to be in a marriage where her man doesn’t respect her enough and value her the right way.
Some of these comments are terrible. Hating this character feels like a red flag lol.
Oh it def is. Shane represents a lot of people
Can you imagine calling your wife “baby” -like as an insult? It’s like “Dude, really?”
Bro thinks he’s getting somehow
This reminds me a bit of my ex-boyfriend. But more subtle- but definitely some sort of emotional abuse. 😅
The way he talks to his wife it’s insulting. I don’t mind about the room.. but the way he talks to his wife is red flag
I was so disapointed by the end of her arc. But maybe it was more realistic? Not sure though.
Rachel is in way over her head, entitled, and clearly not as smart as think she is. It's crazy that she complains about being a potential trophy wife while not considering how all the money Shane has can greatly help her in her career. She is really complaining about a non-issue. Billions of people would kill to be in her place and use that money to go forward. Rachel is really not thinking about the bigger picture here, at all.
Also she complains to Shane about him not caring about her enough, but does she care about him?
She doesn't side with him during the suite reservation argument and tells him to drop it when it's clear he's in the right and is actively being cheated by the hotel.
Also, Rachel is quite a boring person. Instead of talking to her husband, she prefers to stare silently at nothing (and especially after the mom arrives). She cares more about an article she has to write, instead of the honeymoon. She complains to Shane that all he cares about is sex, but what more does she really offer him?
She keeps looking for errors in her marriage, instead of trying to fix them.
The error is literally him and his personality. She’s boring but Shane’s only thoughts consist of pineapple suite and sex
The monolog almost makes no sense - she reassures him that HE is not the problem, but as soon as he attacks her flaws, she shows her teeth and gets defensive, calling him a man-baby.
Or maybe it was intentional, to show the emotional state she was in.
But in a way he isn’t the problem. He never lied about who he was, she simply thought she could tolerate it for the rest of her life. The problem is her for marrying someone she didn’t love or even enjoy being around. But when he started attacking her she decided to let him know what she always thought of him.
This is the danger of marrying only for money. And I am not way judging people who want financial security out of a relationship but it’s good to at least like the person and enjoy their company.
@@patty1247 If you're not good at absolutely anything, like her, then you're gonna be poor. Her only option was to use her looks to snag a hot rich guy.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 People who are not exceptionally talented at anything can still find decent jobs and make decent money without having to leach off of other people. Or shall I say women, not people, because that is what you mean…?
That’s the point. The show is a series of character studies. It shows the character’s intentions even when they are trying to hide them. Obviously, to her, he is indeed the problem even if she says otherwise. Fiction characters don’t have to wear their heart on their sleeves all the time. Their ability to lie to others and themselves are what makes them interesting.
It might’ve been her attempt at softening the blow. Narcissistics will find anyway to twist your words, so maybe she was just anxious, unsure and insecure about how he’d react so she tried to shift blame. But once he goes in on her, she realises this is actually the perfect time to stand up and say what she really thinks.
I hated her the wholes season
And the finale was a an end for me
I can’t stand her
I would never see anything in this insufferable man let alone marrying him
She should have divorced him covertly
To fool oneself into committing a mistake of this magnitude, under such circumstances implies serious character flaws. She wants a life centered on herself, a self she doesn't even know who or what it is. If her little epiphany carried the slittiest trace of any moral honesty, she would realize that trying to be a plus one, especially for a man like Shane, is the best she could do with her life. And the best she have ever done with herself, apparently. At least he is open and willing. She thinks she is better than him and judges him from the loveless perspective of a total disconnection. She is a narcissistic, weak, and even devious. Horrible, too horrible even for a villain.
And yet she still went back because all the characters on this show are awful people. Oof.
How are you any better? When you say they’re awful, it implies you’re better but like how?
I wouldn't say that makes her an awful person. It just means that she's so scared of being on her own, which I know isn't a positive trait, but calling her an awful person seems a bit overkill
I feel bad for dude. Ole girl was with being the trophy girlfriend, but when it turns to trophy wife you get cold feet?? Somebody like Shane is too arrogant to hide who he is, so it ain’t like she got tricked.
Exactly. I think what really happened is that she realized she didn't really love him. She came up with this whole speech just not to say what the real issue was.
She never claimed she got tricked, she reflected and changed her mind. I'm just surprised she didn't figure out sooner how repelling he is and I most certainly do not "feel bad for dude". he's the last person in this show to need anyone's pity, he already has all the possible privileges in the world paired with a vile entitled character.
This girl is toxic af.
alexandra deserved the emmy over jennifer, stay mad
Shane is not a bad guy at all.
He literally started his vacation with a headache from not getting the room he paid for. That is theft.
He has a right to be angry. The hotel literally stole his money.
He didn’t pay for it, his mommy did
@@joshm.1483 so he’s supposed to just let it go bc its not his but his moms money? That would mean he doesnt value the wealth. He clearly does. Its his families money which is his.
@@joshm.1483so what??!! Do you think you’re making any sense??
This is what annulments are for but he should def sue her for the wedding since she made it clear she had these thoughts from before the wedding. If anything she should have left cause he's an asshole. This made her seem like a horrible person.
??? How did you even get this reasoning from what happened. Placing the responsibility on good people to hold assholes accountable not on assholes to not be assholes? What?
@@A..224Oh please. She was a gold digger who had an identity crisis. Yeah she was right to feel that way, but she knew exactly who he was and she's doing this at the honeymoon?
I don’t understand how anyone can be on her side. She made numerous mistakes and dragged everyone along for the ride. She should’ve known the man she was marrying she should’ve known what she wanted as an adult woman with a fledgling career. She should’ve known what it would’ve meant to be a young wife to a rich successful man. I feel like he was way too soft on her for tugging on his feelings making it seem like he was the problem when she was the one who didn’t have her life together
Exactly, as soon as she said she didn't want to be a plus one, his response "dont be." All he was saying was enjoy our honeymoon and you can figure out what you want to do once we're back.
He constantly harassed Armond, threatened to get him fired over a wrong booking, constantly neglects her emotions, implies her journalism career is trash, only ever really verbally appreciates her for her body and flirts with young girls? You have to be insane to actually think she's the jerk in this situation? It just makes me feel like anyone who agrees with Shane is like him in real life. And I mean, Shane is not exactly known for his self awareness. Gosh that's what I love about discourse around this show. It exposes the rich and privileged from the underprivileged and grounded so easily based on who you root for...
@@A..224 I do not root for Shane. He paid for a particular room, instead of apologizing profusely like they do at most hotels. Armond, who knew he made a mistake, decided to play stupid games like telling him he would have a romantic sunset cruise, without notifying him that they would be Tanya would be on the boat and mess up the whole vibe. Doing drugs/sleeping with a coworker in his office. Are all those things Shane's fault. All of his complaints with 100% legitimate. Despite the fact that Rachel insulted him to his face in this monologue, he still took her back as his wife. Is he some great guy, no, but he's not that bad. Given that all he wanted was the room he paid for and a romantic honeymoon with his now wife, who was having an existential crisis about what was the purpose of her life, which was no fault of his own.
oh hun, please do not get into a relationship like this. i can understand not liking a character due to flaws, neither person was great during the relationship but there definitely was a power dynamic and i hope nobody finds themself in that situation
Rich white women problems. Although her issues are legit, cmon it’s not that bad. She doesn’t want to be +1 and Shane replied don’t be. Exactly. Just enjoy the honeymoon and your rich husband.
Am I the only one that doesn’t feel bad for her? She needs to relax. He literally is telling her she can chill out and not work as much. He has wined and dined her to the fullest, honestly sounds like the man for me lol.
Believe it or not, some married women want a career that brings them intellectual satisfaction and their own salary. Being a wined and dined trophy wife would be pure hell for such women. Problem is, Rachel has career goals but she has no backbone and no talent at anything. She's just a talentless hot chick and she knows it. So her only option is to be a trophy wife.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 I know some women do, I don’t think he was telling her to quit completely though… just not work as much. She wanted to work on her honeymoon and got mad when he told her that he didn’t want her to. Save that for when you get home girl. But she could still be married and have him help her invest in her own business. Now that would be the smart thing to do.
Dude is a standup guy and he loved her, I mean he is what anyone wants.
He paid for something and he didn't get and he is only doing what a stand up guy will do.
He wanted the whole experience to be perfect for them and that's all he wanted.
He always protected her and wasnt that all happy the mom came but then had to suck it up.
I thought she was just a pretty girl with big knockers, I was impressed with her acting.
Brava!
Oh...
Watch more shows better of both out there lol
Arghhh I got so irritated by that Rachel character. The poor guy who married her.
girlies avoid this one right here ⬆
weird.... you were mad at her and not the man-child who is spoiled maybe you see yourself in him and thats why you cannot see the flaws but tbh there both at fault. but ur weird asf for that lmao
yeah poor murderer
Poor guy? Lmfao
@@madelinemcmillan4020 He killed the guy entirely by accident, and was totally shocked out of his mind after accidentally stabbing him. He is not a cold-blooded murderer, did you even watch the show?
boo hoo your husband took you on a beautiful honeymoon in Hawaii & stood up for you after being disrespected by the hotel manager the entire week. team shane.
He’s not necessarily in the wrong but I can understand where she’s coming from
Shane never once cared about anything that didn’t have to do with him getting what he wants the whole season. He swatted away his wife’s profound identity issues as an annoyance that could be fixed with his money, instead of making an attempt to comprehend her and support her. When she repeatedly expressed that Shane making a big fuss about the room was taking away from them enjoying their honeymoon, he ignored her at every turn, and insisted on his grand gestures to soothe her, when she made it crystal clear that all she needed was companionship to be soothed. He is a brick wall, untouchable behind his entitlement. He was justified in feeling wronged about having the wrong room, but he allowed the problem to grow bigger and bigger by focusing all his energy into getting this one thing, when he could have been connecting with people, and listening to his wife.
you're insane
@@marianagomes2547 HE is a man, and he is successful, men like this do not want to be disrespected by a hotel manager of all people, the fact that she is with him and married him is because he is a rich successful man, if it bothers him that much, because it would bother most men that much, that is the difference in men and women, and successful men have different things, so she wants to disregard the thing that he has issues with, and wants him to focus on her issues ? she should be a good wife and understand that the successful man she is with, wants this thing, if he instead went like okay, i am gonna be a pussy and take this room i got given, she would not respect him anyway.
@@indusingh2013 the cultural difference here is fascinating. Yes, everything you’re saying is correct, but the audience you’re arguing against is rich white people from the west who put cultural Marxist ideals over pragmatism. So they think the fact that Shane has wealth means that he should allow himself to be cheated in order to inch us one step closer to the Marxist utopia that they believe the world should be where everyone is equally poor.
Her acting lacks emotional range.
Guys is the better actor in this scene. Daddario is too histrionic.