The slug that defies physics - Dumbbell Steel Slug
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We test out Tim's odd-ball dumbbell slugs which are anything but dumb. The design seems to defy most peoples' idea of what a stable design would look like. This wacky design somehow flies straight as an arrow without spin, fins, or being nose or tail-heavy.
It's also one of the most-powerful slugs we've ever tested.
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You want an explanation, an Explanification even ?
Try this....;
When measuring the Aerodynamic Drag produced by any (repeat ANY) Shape moving through Air, between 1/4 & 1/3 of the Drag is caused by "pushing the Air out of the way" with the Leading-Edge ; while most of the rest is generated by, "trying to unstick the Air from the Trailing-Edge"...
So, Aerodynamically speaking, as the Un-Spun Projectile emerges from the Muzzle there is at least twice as much Drag being generated behind the Centre of Gravity/Mass as tyere in front of it, and the Projectile's Long-Axis is perfectly aligned with the Direction of Flight...; therefore, thus, and because, the absolute Geometrical Symetry of the Projectile, plus the "Trailing-Edge Effect" together means that until it hits something - there is NOTHING to Peturb the Projectile, or otherwise divert it from flying in perfect alignment with the Slipstream...(!).
Disclaimer...
Ooh, Ah, you got me...; yes, I am indeed a Retired Low-Speed Aerodynamics-Consultant, and yes this is about 1,500 Ft/Second faster than what I'm actually qualified to speak about with perfect ("...someone will die if you disregard my Command !", type of) confidence ; but I'm pretty sure this Principle works on both sides of the "Sound-Barrier", and Aerodynamiclly the "Barbell" is effectively not much more than a simple Elongated-Sphere - with the Flat-Faces only enhancing the Trailing-Edge Effect, and thus making it even more stable, regardless of Spin.
Check my "Personal Aeroplanology..." Playlist to see some of my Career Highlights, if you feel like it...
Have a good one,
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Ciao !
Solid warble.
That is awesome! thank you!
WarblesOnALot
Uh, yeah. I knew that! Well......sort of.😶 LOL. Thanks for putting it into words. 👍🏻. 🇺🇸😎
WarblesOnALot *HE NOES DE WAE*
so, in layman's terms, thingy is equal on both sides, therefore thingy fly straight?
The guy who made tbose slugs is no dumbell! :-)
The rifling gives the larger heavy slugs a right hand spin, this spin creates a magnus effect, thus causing the rounds ro slide to the right, since this is how you sighted it in, when you switched to the smooth bore you lost that magnus effect, hence the rounds moving low and left. Since the spin causes the magnus effect pulling the rounds high and right the compensation in the scope on the smooth bore causes you to shoot low and left.
At 50 yards expect about one MOA down and left for a smooth bore perfect shot.
No need to adjust the scope, just adjust your expectations a bit.
And I love those slugs.
I'm shocked at the utter cleanliness of some of those entry / exit wounds! And also shocked at Danny's gynecological work on Doug! Danny is a man of many talents.
It was Proctological. He gave Doug a prostate exam.
It's a new age for SJWs. How dare you assume Doug's gender!??!? TRIGGERED!!!! ;-P
My degree in Computer Engineering tells me that Hard Drive needs to be defragged.
I think that IS that best way to "DeFrag" a Maxtor drive!
Hard drive?! I thought that was an 8track player!
I think it's a bit TOO "fragmented" to be successfully defragged!
The bar in the barbell creates a low pressure area which act like an 360 degree fin. Air drag pulls this fin vacuum towards the rear, creating a tail fin. Just like the Diablo...
So it creates drag slowing it down but stabilizing it at the same time correct?
Not a barbell.
My guess is the symmetry of the dumbbell shape makes it so that as the air flows over and around the front, it deflects off the rear of the dumbbell in an relatively equal cone, which acts as pitch control, since any pitch up or down of the nose of the slug creates an equal but opposite force on the the tail of the round, keeping it flying straight.
Smooth bore slugs are fascinating I think, so thank you for keeping on making your awesome videos Jeff & Team :)
thank you very much!
IMO the dumb bell shape has the same effect as the diabolo pellets...both have a pinched waist or wasp waist which is what gives them stability just the dumb bell has a skinnier waist causing more drag maybe giving better stability then the diabolo.
A comparison of both recording muzzle velocity and velocity at 100 yards would show which produced more drag
That steel toe blowing up was the coolest slowmo ever
It's a TFM video, liked it before I even watched it, because I know.
lead plate will always be best target, even when damaged
The18x18x somehow this one was actually better becouse it was damaged .. altho thats what i think dont u agree
If its beat up you gotta hit it from behind. Then you'll never know the difference.
Man, that lead plate was incredible. My jaw dropped at the force that those piece flew apart with.
The gap in the middle could act as an area for it to auto correct by way of the back big flat surface acting as an effective spot for air to fall upon, and push in the opposite direction of the slant. The angle lets the air leave easier, and new air to be introduced into the system. For example, if the front slopes down, the head would block the air from flowing past to hit the bottom of the back, but the top part moving down also allows air to flow past and hit the top of the back. This could make it correct until the little rings stop air from flying into the middle when it is in a direct course by way of deflecting air up, and away from the middle. I am talking out of my rear end, but that is what I suspect.
you are making my head hurt. lol
I love rear-end talk. Brrraap brapp braaaap.
TAOFLEDERMAUS I don't think he's far off from it, I get the feeling that a pocket is being created between the front and back sections of the slug creating a pressure pocket of aerodynamics (the technical term escapes me at the moment). The same principle is used on sports cars that use a rear wing; the aerodynamic downforce is manipulated so that the front and the rear of the vehicle are forced downward by the wind resistamce providing better handling through equal grip on all tires vs just the front of the rear wrong was absent. For the slug however, nstead of one plane being acted on the slug is having all 360 degrees pushed on by wind resistance and theoretically self-centering.
I also believe this is a large part of what makes the Diablo shape work as well as it does for pellets and slugs.
I thought that a pocket of air would be trapped behind the slug because the back is flat, and the drag from the air pocket would move the center of pressure back slightly, behind the center of mass
You may not have all the correct words but I agree with your basic theory.
You guys always shoot the coolest slug designs. Thanks for putting all this together for us.
Whatever Danny was doing to that dummy at 3:40 is NOT safe for the work place or minors . Also Danny said he was gonna find an empty spot on that plate and NAILED it breaking the plate in 1/2 ! Nicely done Danny !
The poor dummy just joined the #metoo bunch!
In this episode, Doug visits Dr Danny the gynecologist! @3:30
lol
oh man, he's really getting his money's worth. o_0
0:50 they are hydrodynamic, the gaps and spacing causes a control turbulence along the body of the projectile acting as a gaseous ball barring aiding in dynamic stability and hydrodynamic efficiency (sub-sonic).
The waist and gaps in the head and foot are still important at sonic speeds the ball barring effect plays less of an importance but still has a critical impact on the overall dynamics when crossing the sonic threshold breaking up the body of the projectile to a uneven surface causes the shock wave to have less of a hold on the body reducing overall drag.
In all, an efficient impact energy transfer to target.
I suspect the only way to increase efficiency more likely @sub-sonic is to shallow cup both ends (might have a nice effect on impact also).
I think I left a comment just like this on the guys channel that made these lol.
Love the channel keep it up.
Sounds logical, but I still got a headache! lol
oooor maybe not.
Davidautofull true enough, but I've had only a fascination with hydrodynamics and I'm sure that I have missed a few factors such as the internal dynamics of the shot like shock compression rotation also external influence as in gravity planet rotation solar radiation humidity trigger pull.
I'll do better next time.
Warning Trolls be here.
I'm beginning to wish they'd tumbled . . . . . . . .
Lod dude cut to tumble?
"Not the first time I've been stood up ." nice , poor tricycle red . you goof .
Hahaha i wanted to comment because of that.
Wow youtube needs to fix their algorithm, I got a notification.
I think, like the diablo, the shape forces it straight because the rear end catches the pressure wave creating drag, while the front is pushing though that pressure wave. An test that might illustrate if this is the case or not is to take these shapes and shot them at sub-sonic speeds and see if they are still stable.
My though exactly
Might be worth recording them far enough down range to catch them going subsonic.
Projectile dropping transonic would be interesting.
Agreed, saved me writing it out. Haha
I think this guy is onto something.
Unfortunately, I don't have a fancy schmancy fluid dynamics computation program to find out of it's true or not.
Those sound effects are hilariously good! Hahaha 👌🏼
༺ᴏͷᴇ ᴡʜᴏᴋɴᴡs༻ the funniest part was seeing "not the actual sound" in the bottom corner. That had me laughing more than the sounds themselves.
I thought this was a reupload before watching it, but found out that this was the commercially available one.
Hogs and large prey will hate this.
Notice the trail, or waves the dumbbell made around it when it was shot thru the Freon bottle in slow mo.. too cool! 4:10
Fantastic video! Danny looked like he was really enjoying these rounds and nice work with the sounds effects Jeff.
You should try researching the aerodynamics of "spool rockets". They are model rockets with a shape similar to your dumbbell slug. I found a quote on the aerodynamics of the shape but I can't find the source the quote is referencing.
"Various aerodynamic texts confirm the fact that the
dynamic Center-of-Pressure (CP) of flat plate lying perpendicular
to a flow, lies behind the plate along its central
axis, due to a base vortex that forms when the air
begins flowing over its surface. Published data shows
the CP for a flat plate in a perpendicular flow is about
2.2 diameters behind the plate along the axis perpendicular
to the face of the plate through its center"
"Bernoulli Principle" The narrow center portion is a low pressure area and creates a vacuum that is self-centering between two pressure zones.
That one killed on both ends. Dang Danny shoulder has got to hurt. Break out the ibuprofen.
I need to buy you guys a lead sled for those heavy hitters. Lol
I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even feel it.
sick boot, bruh. still think you should have featured the steel toed cod piece I sent you.
Hey guys, I gotta say I love your channel. Always have, and always will. The community is wonderful down here, and the sense of “Backyard Experimentation with your cool uncles” has always brought me back. Keep it up!
long time viewer really enjoy your channel. thank you for all the great videos
can't wait until you hit 1 million
thank you very much!
My quess for why they fly straight is , that there is 2 separate pressure waves forming on that projectile. one on front and one on rear. the rear one works a bit like an parashute and stabilizes the flight that way. It was seen on first shot on copper ingot . projectile went so close to table surface that pressure wave hit the table and destabilized the projectile just before it hit on copper ingot .
Ah! I was wondering if anyone else noticed that too!
Teemu Myyryläinen this is the very concept I was thinking.
Three things that we need to consider.
Compression lift is being applied equally, 360º around the CoG of the object.
The object is absolutely symmetrical on 2 axis.
Traveling at around 1.4 mach, it has a smooth and close to symmetric area rule.
Im curious to know if ANY object will fly straight, regardless of its shape, if it meets these 3 characteristics.
Someone should try different shapes which do meet them.
Oh, and they fly straight for the same reason pellets do - the back half acts like a bomb tail, every time the shell starts turning vertical or sideways the tail comes from behind the head and encounters immense air drag, forcing it back into order. Any shape that has a head, a thinner section and a wider (somewhat aerodynamic, starting flat or concave won't work as well) tail will act like that.
The Crazy Pineapple you're thinking of things going well below the speed of sound.
Nah. I know about differences between sub- and supersonic aerodynamics, and this one works with both. The tail is stabilised by airflow around the projectile, which exists no matter how fast it is going.
I'd certainly wouldn't thought those would be stable. This is one reason I watch your videos. I learn stuff.
That was brutal. I don't think Doug is going to pull through. Every one of those slugs seemed to exit with an intact dumbbell shape too.
Indeed. I would hate to see the damage that thing does to a live target. Ouch.
5:57 you turned from Satan into a chipmunk real quick 🤣🤣🤣
Hears music. waits for "..
and for todays' extra content. we have this play-doh slug. It looks normal but it is extremely danger-oos and may at-ack at any time. So we must deal with it. *crush
Oh wrong channel.. Awesome choice of music, Jeff!
Love how you used the Stuka sound xd
Used in almost every James Bond movie, from jets to Russian cargo planes to helicopters. lol
Dirk Diggler Carbonated lol.
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Runs on pure Mountain Dew
Should line up a bunch of cellphone cases and poke a hole through them then sell them to us.
BigK i like ur idea
10/10 would buy one
BigK try lining up some politicians
Where can I prepay?
and shoot them with a cock bullet 🐔
You guys kill more hard drives than HRC!
Keep up the great work!
lol thanks! Better than using hammers!
TAOFLEDERMAUS
I love your channel man. I think that what you do is fantastic. It's such a unique take on shooting videos that I don't think that there is anything like it on RUclips.
Next time try wiping those hard drives with a cloth afterwards.
I will die!
Much love to you and your crew!
No freaking way. She’s the queen of hard drive erasure
I really like the *not actual sound subtitles.
I don't have a degree yet, but from my understanding of projectiles, two things are needed for stable flight: 1) A forward center of mass, and 2) Drag on the back.
The Diabolo shape with the hollow cavity in the back is a perfect example. It has most of the mass in the nose and the cone shape in the back creates drag (because drag is a function of cross-sectional area and velocity) behind the center of mass which creates stability.
This dumb-bell design is comparatively similar to the Diabolo shape. Even though the nose and tail have the same mass, since the projectile has a small cross-section in the center that widens out in the back, the drag created keeps it stable. This type of design can be seen with many of the great performing projectiles you have tested.
you guys are insane but in a good way.
Mark Summerfield
😜 🇺🇸😎
There is a bad way to do insane?
They work because they are so well balanced that there is nowhere to go. It acts like a nose cone and tail stabilizer while traveling through the wind. I want to see these but with pointed tips or tear drop shaped ends. Love the show keep up the good work fellas
Wow at lead plate! Awesome video as always
+1 for sound effects. Now you need shake weight slugs.
Those are awesome! Liked as always! :D
Thank you!
TAOFLEDERMAUS i like your videos
Nice video, Jeff and Danny!
The concept of dumbbell slug is originates form French Blondeau slug. The principle of stabilization is controlled oscillation. They do not fly straight. They do like a spiral flight, but this spiral is tight enough to hit even small target (just like Danny showed us). Interesting and useful feature - 90-degree front edge will allow these to cut through bushes without deflection.
Damn danny it looked like you werent ready for the first round to give you that big of a kick...i was suprised...ive seen people drop shotguns after getting a good punch to the shoulder like that...great shooting btw thx for the vid guys
I think he was expecting a 1525 fps kick but he got a little more!
Hots Coffman
It did surprise me a bit! 😳. 🇺🇸😎
TAOFLEDERMAUS hell yeah...ive never seen something flat penetrate body armor like that...it tore through so i can imagine what it felt like...danny took it like a champ...i cant honistly say i would have kept the gun in my hands...or i may have left with a broken nose or black eye...but danny has probably been shooting for longer than ive been alive and has put more rounds down range than i have lived days on this earth so that may have something to do with it...or it could just be natural skill
This is the most fascinating and necessary channel on RUclips. This is happiness!
I liked the video, then I like the video because of the dive bomber sounds
It's sort of an inside-joke. A few of us have been watching every James Bond movie and they use that exact sound effect for ANY plane, helicopter, jet, etc that is about to crash.
I thought I recognized it from the Pink Floyd album The Wall
Sounds like a F1 car drive by
I love the slow mo shots on the boot and the aluminum block, really shows how much power is behind the round to be able to keep them levitating. Incredible video and ammunition.
I Love the 0% lower...lol! I Love the video as Always you shoot some of the coolest things! I Love the different targets! Tell Matt v that we love and miss him! Thanks TFMS
John W Yes , the 0% lower joke got me laughing ! That DeLeon idiot will be trying to ban aluminum ingots as " Ghost Guns " .
Thank you! Matt might show up and see all the nice comments about him. Maybe encourage him to upload something!
Nice sfx, good touch. Your videos have gotten better
Not only can I not figure out why they fly straight, im still stumped about why they flash on impact. Incredibly devastating round! Hopefully you'll get the chance to fire the new ones with the o rings. Great work as always, Guys. Thanks for the video.
J Crumrine the flash is most likely caused by the metals having a fine layer of oxidation on them, and when impact is made the force and heat cause the oxides to burn off causing the flash as they do.
That makes sense. I appreciate the info! Who says this isn't an educational channel?!?!🤪
Except that oxides can not burn off. Guess it is the metal itself that prodeces the flash somehow.
RUclips says it's a terrorist channel, not educational.
Now Logan Paul throwing pokeballs at random japanese people, THAT'S educational.
*The vomit emoji does not adequately describe my feels*
That slo-mo of the boot tumbling through the air was great! Keep up the good work! LOVE seeing all the crazy slugs y'all lob down range.
thanks!
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
That slug is a monster, especially in a rifled barrel !! Loved your slow motion footage ! Enjoyed watching & liked !
thanks!
This might be my favorite!! *_WOW_*
imho: the part of the dumb bell that leads, crates a pressure wave such that, the following dumb bell tends to follow the path of least resistance which is into the leading dumb bell's negative pressure area.
Additionally, the leading pressure wave may collapse near enough to the following dumb bell such that is cannot tumble into a high pressure area - the entire unit must travel in one direction in that it is one unit propelled into the same direction.
I think the collapsing area of the pressure wave probably tends to act on the following dumb bell in a way preventing tumble.
Thanks for the video.
(insert _pumping iron_ and/or _Hans and Franz_ joke here)
J Bolo ill get the oil
The hard drive flipping and landing on its side again was pretty cool lol
I wonder if there's a low-pressure area created behind the dumbbell when it flies, which pulls the rear of it backwards relative to the direction of travel.
I think the reason it flies so straight, is that the front part acts as a shield, a resistance to the air. The air moving past it gets caught on the back portion, causing drag there. this means that there is high pressure at the back and low pressure at the front part, pushing each respective part in their respective direction.
That ricochet sound, those always make me cringe lol.
I think they fly straight because of basically Bernoulli’s principle. When the slug flies through the air, the air speed relative to the slug is very fast, this causes a vacuum to form in the grip part of the dumbbell. When the dumbbell tweaks over ever so slightly, the side whose back is now hanging out is no longer a vacuum because the air is being forced into it. This causes a pressure differential since the opposite side is still a vacuum, and it’s this pressure differential that exerts the force required to keep the projectile straight.
Great shooting Danny. Loved the video Jeff, awesome as usual. Thanks for these. *:)*
Dsdcain
Thanks! 🇺🇸😎
'If only there were slugs that could be used for both smooth bore' BRENNEKE K.O. MY DUDE
I miss MattV2099. Good vid thanks guys.
Yeah, really good guy.
We all do. Keep operating Operator, wherever you are.
Micah Blomgren what happened to him?
Ben Mize I think he just got fed up with RUclips and dipped out.
Impressive. You guys do a great job with these videos!
A 15 minute vid on a slug? You know it's gotta be good.
Wow, Danny is a great shot! Keep the vids coming they’re awesome.
That would kill everything in north America holly crap
joelopezjl28 probably would if you could get everything in north america to stand in a straight line.
Hey Jeff you guys should try shooting a rusted steel slug at a rusty steel plate with a few layers of aluminum foil in front of it. the aluminium oxide and Iron oxide should react on impact probably giving an even bigger flash. aluminium oxide and iron oxide are the same two compounds that make Thermite.
This works with two large rusted ball bearings where if you smash them together with aluminium foil in the middle you get a small Thermite reaction so with a shot gun slug it should be epic.
Thanks Jeff and Danny.
I am pretty sure it is the low pressure area around the middle of the slug that explains the stable trajectory. The indentation at the center forces air to move around it more quickly along the greater distance, but since Pressure X Velocity is Constant, the pressure must drop there. The low pressure invites surrounding air to move towards the middle of the slug, providing sort of a guiding tube of higher pressure surrounding the slug.
Nice Video! and I wish I could give you an extra like for the music.
It creates so much pressure right before it hits the target that it causes a hot air fireball and burns the O2. It's like my pressure lighter I take camping with me. That's crazy! I don't usually see that on slow motion vids.
The air is starting to come back together on the rear section making it stay in the slipstream of the first section. A bulb ahead of an object causes pressure resistance. But if that causes a vacuum area around the object traveling it reduces frictional drag. If the friction loss is more than the pressure gain you have a lower net drag coefficient. Any if the tail is the proper distance to the rear, with the proper shape, the squeeze from the collapse of the medium will add to forward movement, while stabilizing travel.
I need this in my life.
Mike Heckathorn do you more tao videos or mini dumbbells? because I need both !
That hard drive stands right back up on it's side was amazing in it's self lol! Love the vids!
RIP Barry.
Love that Battlefield theme music in the background.
Was the copper ingot made from fired jackets mined from Hickok45's hillside range?
I think some other YT channel sent it to Matt
If that's a good quality copper, it could actually be worth quite a bit, maybe even $250,0 >:D
Likely a toroid air pocket gets formed in the center space that prevents drag but also adds stability, just like the air bubble in the empty bed of a pick up truck (which is why dropping the tailgate increases drag).
3:25 poor dug he didnt even take him out to a dinner
Jan Scheverling
I'll take him out for Breakfast so he will still respect me in the morning. 😉. 🇺🇸😎
The sound of that projectile makes after leaving the barrel is very satisfying
I've got a pair of Cat boots like that, I'll remember not to shoot them while I have them on.
love that the slug still retains its shape after exiting the target. that's insane.
It's very similar to the French blondeau. Also the ddupleks slugs are made on the same basis though they have more plastic
StONEDiLESO Hi!!Thath is similar like Dduplex MONOLIT SLUG.Same story in different package..Greetings from Macedonia
the bugs bunny cartoon noises during the boot steel toe slow mo was funny
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The velocity numbers from the "taofledefgraph" are a fantastic additional bit of information to be including. Thanks to the Patron who made it happen. Very cool!
What amazing slugs
I would like to personally thank both you gentlemen for winding down my workday
At 3:47 (+2) you can see the slug hit the grass in the background.
Jack
Good eye! 👍🏻. 🇺🇸😎
Love the Stuka sounds!!! that boot reminds me of Toepopping mines! awesome video guys :D
Ita gotta be the speed. If they were going slower maybe between 675 and 800 maybe even 1000 they would probably waggle and wobble.
The flat base forces the center of pressure to be behind the center of mass.
Same pressure/mass balance that makes an arrow fly point first.
There is also a 'shadowing' effect from the front lobe of the dumbbell.
The front lobe acts as a sort of wind-screen, keeping the back-lobe out of the slipstream.
If the lee end of the dumbbell gets out of place, the off-balance slipstream forces push it back into position.
LDRS hosts lots of amateur rocket launches, and large cable-spools make very stable but odd rockets!
Large and Dangerous Rocket Ships, btw...
Thats 2500 youtube dollars worth of copper
True lol
Theoretical dollars*
RUclips millionaire = $3 an hour in reality. lol
awsome meme
XD
A high quality 5 pound copper ingot costs around 100$.
A more crude one (which that looks more like) is about 40$
Either way, there's a reason they don't make pennies out of copper anymore. :P