Since Mike was absent, I thought I should inform you all that the composer of Psycho II’s soundtrack (Jerry Goldsmith) also composed the theme for Star Trek: The Next Generation, five of the Star Trek movies, and won an Emmy for the theme from Star Trek: Voyager
Yep. Especially here where it's the cute shorter-haired version of Josh. This Josh is basically Winnie the Pooh with just enough Eeyore to take the edge off. I want to cuddle him for a bit and then give him a foot message. Other Josh? Not so much.
Mike declined to participate in this one due to there being no way he could tie any of the Psycho movies into any of the episodes of Star Trek: Voyager.
There's also an episode of Voyager ('Revulsion') with a shop hologram that went crazy and murdered his crew. He very much channels Norman Bates (although he's more obviously unhinged from the start) and even looks kind of like him.
Well. I hate to say it, but Jerry Goldsmith (composer of the music for Psycho II) composed the theme and some other music for Voyager. He actually won an Emmy for it
Psycho 2 truly is the "This is going to suck!" then "That was pretty damn good" movie. I don't know anyone who had a different experience with it, myself included. Even my mom.
Totally agree, it's one of those movies you see on a streaming service and think :" Yeah...no thanks" , but it's a ..i won't say perfect but really enjoyable sequel with his own spin on things and great performances.
I'd love to see more Reviews of franchises like this. Maybe Aliens, Hellraiser, Lord of the Rings etc. The discussion about the links between movies and how they evolved (or devolved) was really interesting.
that part where Norman uses the same spoon to fill a taxidermy bird with sawdust and then to put peanut butter on his crackers is the most effective scare in film history
I actually once watched them all in a row...AND it was the first time I watched Psycho at all. Interesting experience. But frankly, only the second one is actually good. Surprisingly good, especially for a sequel. It somehow managed to make Norman Bates even more interesting. Three is kind of interesting in that it comes really close to having a villain protagonist. You are constantly torn between wanting Norman to get stopped while also being worried about exactly that happening. Fourth...frankly, I have actually forgotten what the fourth one was about, I only remember that I didn't like it AT ALL. So I would say watch the first two for sure, the third maybe, avoid the fourth one.
Even 4, which is not a very good film, has a lot of great stuff in it that's stuck with me over the years. The flashbacks are well done even if they're pointless.
If nothing else each of them tackle the basic idea from a different angle. It's not the usual "we repeat the first movie again and again". But the one thing I do remember about the fourth is the ending because, well, no woman should be with a man who wanted to kill her.
Thread Bomb - 4:3 isn’t bad at all, but only if the director intended the work to be seen in 4:3. For example, even though they’re tv shows, both Buffy and Angel should only been watched with in 4:3. I mentioned those two shows because when the HD DVDs sets came out for Buffy, it was done so horribly. They people who worked on the show said they, too, thought it was horrible.
Oddly enough, the Gus Van Sant remake was my introduction to the Psycho films, as I hadn't seen the original or even too many references to it at that point in my life or even a trailer for the remake. I was like 13 when I snuck into a screening of it basically on a whim after bailing on some other movie I bought a ticket for and actually really liked it, I think for the reasons Jay points out about what audiences experienced with the original film: the plot was shocking in how it bails on what seems to be the main character and just turns on a dime. For me the whole thing was very original and fresh and felt quite shocking and subversive. But then years later I saw the Hitchcock original and was blown away by how much better it was in terms of tone, acting, and certainly the lighting due to it being shot in black and white and having the lighting appear more prominent.
I'm glad Carter Burwell's score for Psyco III got a mention because that was possibly my favorite part of that movie. When I was a teenager, I recorded the credits music onto a cassette tape and would listen to it with my walkman.
@@MrBallTech they already did a re:view for the thin, so I don't think they're gonna do a commentary track. Besides, the Carpenter/Russel commentary is awesome already, so it might be hard for them to add anything interesting
The hilarious thing about the steps in part 3 is just the idea of falling backwards down an entire set of steps and somehow maintaining your footing the whole way. I hear the footstep foley and I just imagine that her legs are offscreen flailing around like ragdoll physics in a video game lol...
As soon as I heard the saxophone during that scene, I knew it was David Sandborn. A quick google check confirmed it. That guy was THE sax go-to during the 80s for movie soundtracks.
I had no idea young Norman was Henry Thomas-- that dude's been Norman Bates & Jack Torrance and I've never seen him suck in a role. Hell, even the stories they tell about his audition for ET are him flooring fuckin' Spielberg and everyone else on set. This guy deserves way more recognition than I see him get.
10:36 Jay says that the death scene in the phone booth might've been influenced by Argento. In my opinion, Jay is missing the bigger picture. It seems a lot more likely to me that the scene in question was influenced by Hitchcock. The reason why the scene might "feel" like Argento is because Argento himself was also heavily influenced by Hitchcock. But the phone booth scene in Psycho III seems to be taking its cues from the iconic shower scene in the original Psycho; not from Argento.
What I liked about those last 2 seasons of the show was even if you are a fan of the original film they still mix it up enough so you can't just say you know how it ends solely because of its source material!
Also I'd be REALLY interested in seeing you boys doing the Bates Motel TV show. Jay seems to enjoy it but I'd really like to hear about why. I am curious if we share similar views.
I was pleasantly surprised by Bates Motel. The marketing made it look like a CW teen drama but it turned out to be kind of like Twin Peaks if Twin Peaks had a story that went somewhere.
I haven’t watched it in a while, but I did really enjoy what I watched. The main actor had such a great screen presence as Norman, with that really great blend of both considerate and unsettling. Kinda disappointed to hear they did a story arc with Marion though. The final scene of the show really should’ve been Marion checking into the motel.
I'll argue that Mick Garris's second best film he's done is Sleepwalkers! Say what you will about the writing and the characters (and you'd be correct) but it's a smashing monster movie and the one Stephen King story that didn't have a book to its name, yes it was a movie written by Stephen King for Mick Garris to direct and it's a fantastic atmospheric and fun monster movie and Enya does the main theme for it, how can you not love that?
I watched the 4 movies so I could watch this re:view. I enjoyed the franchise. 2 to 4 have their problems but also quite a few qualities, I was never bored. Thanks, redlettermedia.
I actually saw "Psycho III" first when I was waaay too young to be watching it and the others came much later. Looking back on it, the 3rd film seems like it's set up where Norman mistakenly thinks he's doing the killing (I think he says in part 2 that he blacks out) but the real killer turns out to be Duke. I think Universal chickened out with that reveal. Great video, guys!
I am glad that you guys touched on the scores and music in the movies - hopefully you will continue to talk about soundtracks in future episodes and reviews!
I would just to have a scene where Captain america Jay says "Looks like the avengers will be getting a new team mate! Oh it's just spiderman *slide whistle close up*
Y'all miss? (or not care) that the book Meg Tilly was reading in 2, "In The Belly of the Beast," is laying in the yard in the opening pan shot of 3. (Not a bad book...just used for its title, obviously.) And the finger streaks in the window from 2...which Tilly cleaned off in 2. Oh well. Still - cute detail.
After going down a Italian Giallo horror film rabbit hole, I figured I would report back that a RLM favorite (Cameron Mitchell) is the star of one called Blood and Black Lace.
Psycho III is beautifully filmed and very surreal, it’s definitely more about mood then the plot or acting. Psycho IV is the weakest of the sequels in my opinion, but still worth a watch: well filmed and well acted, brings a sense of closure to the series
I have all of the Pyscho movie covers stamped in my brain from seeing all the VHS boxes at the video store every day. I've never seen any of the sequels though. I'll have to give them a go.
Negativland.... Simply put wow. I remember when I bought their album A Big 10x8 Place it came with a sticker, map of the bay area and a bag of woodchips.
The reason I liked the Psycho remake is because it showed absolutely that you can have the same script, cinematography, lighting, and soundtrack, but the actors' performances alone can change the entire movie. Experiment complete.
I don't think it ignored 2 and 3 the way Halloween 2018 ignored all the others. It didn't need to reference anything after his teenage years because the whole premise was based around the murder of his mother and its immediate aftermath. I also didn't find it to be too much of a stretch that, in Movie-Land anyway, a hotshot psychiatrist who's been getting amazing results with deranged patients managed to get Norman out of the asylum on a very strict home detention basis, and has a relationship with him. It'd never happen in real life obviously but it worked if you consider it takes place in 1995 or something, with Psycho 3 ending with his arrest in 1983 (because it takes place at the same time Psycho II came out).
Psycho 3 is a blast. Psycho 2 is really well made and the first is a classic. The 4th film is surprisingly good but the weakest. The series as a whole is fantastic thanks to Anthony Perkins’s pitch perfect portrayal.
I remember watching the first Bates Motel pilot on NBC when I was a kid. I thought it was going to be a straight up comedy because the advertising kept mentioning that the main protagonist was in the same institution as Norman due to having killed his dad(?) by shoving him in the dryer and tumble drying him to death when he was a kid. Instead, the studio was going for a supernatural vibe with 50's ghosts checking in to the hotel and keeping a woman from committing suicide. I think they wanted to cash in on the Friday the Thirteenth: The Series/ Tales From The Dark Side syndicated show popularity of the time.
The best thing about the remake was the poster and Danny Elfman's arrangement of the original score. The remake is an experimental art film that had no business being released as a mainstream movie.
MadCap Productions I gotta disagree. Every shot being the same makes you very very aware of how much none of it is the same. You think so much about the original and are forced to recontextualize your feelings as a result.
What makes it an experimental film is that I don’t believe Van Sant ever intentionally meant for it to be an earnest film, it’s purely a lark. No one can truly watch this as a conventional film. It’s a project film done at the expense of the studio. The big indicator is when he cameos with a Hitchcock lookalike berating him, acknowledging that he’s basically trolling everyone. The Walkman line is another example.
I just recently finished watching Bates Motel and while I enjoyed it for the most part, I can't deny I was kind of disappointed with how much it diverged from Psycho. I think in part 1 of this reView, Jay or Josh said that you never stop sympathizing with Norman Bates in the movies, but I can't say the same for Freddie Highmore's version of the character; I ultimately found him way less less likable than Anthony Perkins' Norman. I love Vera Farmiga in the show, but I think in making Norma a more sympathetic character, it turns Norman into more of a villain.
I found Norman's character sympathetic until the very end, actually. I think fleshing out Norma's character made the story all the more tragic, too. She just wanted to help her son but ultimately ended up destroying him.
It was certainly a different kind of tragedy. Norman was a victim of bad parenting either way, though Farmiga's Norma was much more well-intentioned than the character we know from the films. But by making Norman conscious of the fact that there was something wrong with him, and having him choose to commit murder as himself instead of as "Mother," he no longer felt like a potentially redeemable figure, which is how I saw him when Anthony Perkins played the character. I suppose the show was satisfying enough as its own self-contained thing, even though it doesn't work as a Psycho prequel. I guess you could say I was unhappy with how much it subverted my expectations, to borrow an oft-used criticism I've seen on this channel.
@@rocketdave719 To be fair, the sole murder Norman knowingly commits he feels incredibly guilty over and turns himself in. The fact that he regrets it so much helped keep him sympathetic imo because you could still see the awkward but sweet teenage boy we'd come to know in season 1. The only time I found Norman unlikeable is when he was being clearly manipulative and deceitful in S4 tho I totally understood his frustration and anger at being locked up in Pineview. I am curious as to why you think him being conscious of his alter ego makes him less reedemable tho? The mother personality was very strong and often took over even when Norman didn't want her to (which happened at the end of Psycho too). She even went so far as to bang his head against a toilet just to knock him out.
When I watched the movies, I could buy the idea that Norman might have been cured and found a happy ending, but with the direction they took him in the TV show, that was much harder to imagine. In Psycho, Norman comes across as more "innocent" because he apparently has no idea what he's doing, and that's how he is at the beginning of Bates Motel as well, but he eventually sees so many warning signs, it's harder to excuse his behavior. Maybe I'm being too hard on the character because I felt let down when I realized that the show wasn't going to sync up with Psycho in the way I assumed it would. I'm not saying I didn't feel badly for Highmore's Norman, but as the show went on, he showed more ugly sides of the character's personality that made it harder for me to like him.
@@rocketdave719 I think our views differ so much because I watched the show first. I saw Psycho for the first time recently and I guess it's because of the show's influence that I feel Highmore's Norman lines up with how Norman acts in the movie. For a large portion of the show, Norman believes his mother is doing the killing. He wishes she didn't but is willing to cover for her (even commit suicide with her to stop the killing) because he loves her so much. Similarly, Psycho's Norman is aware of how murderous his mother is and still protects her by disposing of the evidence of her crimes. So I don't think Perkins' Norman is necessarily innocent as he regularly aids and abets and ignores his mother's crimes. Both Norman's are culpable imo and I think I'm okay with that because the show gave me the background necessary to understand their motivations. I do agree that the show portrayed Norman in such a way that a happy ending wasn't possible. It could've been had Norma not been so controlling in the beginning and more open to receiving help for her son. That's what makes it so tragic tho.
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U guys are bonkers. Psycho 3 is a classic on all levels!
The vince Vaughn remake was the first psycho movie i watched back in 2000. I was in my early teens and it really creeped me out. Didnt know about the origonal until many years later. Yes the remake is not needed, but i still have a soft spot for it because it was my first.
RE: The remake. I ABSOLUTELY think that Van Zant was pulling one on the studio, and I think Hitch would've cackled at it. The film is useless, but....I did like the weird choices (like Norman's casting), just on a WTF level. I've only watched it once.
I've never asked anything from you guys but a re view of the 1985 movie "The Stuff" would be so great. Oh and you hacks are something whatever people are saying now.
Other than the fall down the stairs I love m.cs death in 3. How she was killed on cupids statue was so symbolic. I especially like how it was not there for the sake of it. The statue was there since the first film and they utilised it well
I've had a love for PSYCHO IV ever since getting hooked on the series as a kid. It truly is corny, but when you compare it to every other horror movie prequel out there, it's relatively well done and has got some great performances. Also, I like in the movie when Chet bops Norman in the face with his boxing glove, and you see a millisecond flash of light before the next shot of Norman falling onto the lawn. THAT was a very Hitchcockian touch, and I appreciate Mick Garris making that effort. PSYCHO III, I tried to rewatch, and I agree with Wizard, the characters are truly unlikable, and the suicide material involving Diana Scarwid was uncomfortably dark, so I gave up 30 minutes in.
Yeah I recognize the 'there is no good' scene from the start as well, it's every night when I turn the lights off and go to bed. Great way to end the day 👍
Psycho III I think also borrowed from Thomas Harris' Red Dragon/Mann's Manhunter; the idea that the serial killer might be redeemed by a woman who could accept him.
Since Mike was absent, I thought I should inform you all that the composer of Psycho II’s soundtrack (Jerry Goldsmith) also composed the theme for Star Trek: The Next Generation, five of the Star Trek movies, and won an Emmy for the theme from Star Trek: Voyager
I needed that, thx!
Ah, that'll be why Jay didn't think much of it.
Can't be stated enough, Josh and Jay are such a good combo on re:View.
Yep. Especially here where it's the cute shorter-haired version of Josh. This Josh is basically Winnie the Pooh with just enough Eeyore to take the edge off. I want to cuddle him for a bit and then give him a foot message. Other Josh? Not so much.
Colin is good too, Colin and Josh are the only guys who can match Jay's obscure film nerdiness.
The modern day Siskel & Ebert hehe
Yes. Nice easygoing dynamic.
Yes
Mike declined to participate in this one due to there being no way he could tie any of the Psycho movies into any of the episodes of Star Trek: Voyager.
Unless that mommy complex with Janeway that evolved into salamander sex counts.
There's also an episode of Voyager ('Revulsion') with a shop hologram that went crazy and murdered his crew. He very much channels Norman Bates (although he's more obviously unhinged from the start) and even looks kind of like him.
Well. I hate to say it, but Jerry Goldsmith (composer of the music for Psycho II) composed the theme and some other music for Voyager. He actually won an Emmy for it
Really? You don't think this reminds him of the episode of Star Trek where . . . .
I'm sure that Mike could have found some similarities between Mrs. Bates and Lwaxana Troi.
Psycho 2 truly is the "This is going to suck!" then "That was pretty damn good" movie. I don't know anyone who had a different experience with it, myself included. Even my mom.
Totally agree, it's one of those movies you see on a streaming service and think :" Yeah...no thanks" , but it's a ..i won't say perfect but really enjoyable sequel with his own spin on things and great performances.
Yeah. I enjoyed it a lot.
I'd love to see more Reviews of franchises like this. Maybe Aliens, Hellraiser, Lord of the Rings etc. The discussion about the links between movies and how they evolved (or devolved) was really interesting.
Agreed!...
Yeeah yes
Hellraiser for sure.
Evil Dead
Alien would be great, the start to many great filmmakers. each one is so distinct
that part where Norman uses the same spoon to fill a taxidermy bird with sawdust and then to put peanut butter on his crackers is the most effective scare in film history
I hate getting saw dust in my pea it butter
You mean a 'nice moment'? "Most effective scare" it certainly isn't.
Jay likes originality. Josh likes characters.
Rich Evans likes putting his feet into wet pumpkins.
Who doesn't?🤷♂️
mike doesn't like anything
Amazing that you were able to get Jay and Josh to wear the exact same clothes nearly a week later
Josh makes sense, but I'm surprised that Jay would wear the same outfit for a week straight.
Rich Evans doesn't need that level of management. In fact it's amazing they get him to change clothes every few weeks
To be perfectly honest.. it really isn't 🤣
I never thought I’d say this, but I think I might check out these Psycho sequels.
I heard there good
I actually once watched them all in a row...AND it was the first time I watched Psycho at all. Interesting experience.
But frankly, only the second one is actually good. Surprisingly good, especially for a sequel. It somehow managed to make Norman Bates even more interesting. Three is kind of interesting in that it comes really close to having a villain protagonist. You are constantly torn between wanting Norman to get stopped while also being worried about exactly that happening. Fourth...frankly, I have actually forgotten what the fourth one was about, I only remember that I didn't like it AT ALL. So I would say watch the first two for sure, the third maybe, avoid the fourth one.
Even 4, which is not a very good film, has a lot of great stuff in it that's stuck with me over the years. The flashbacks are well done even if they're pointless.
If nothing else each of them tackle the basic idea from a different angle. It's not the usual "we repeat the first movie again and again". But the one thing I do remember about the fourth is the ending because, well, no woman should be with a man who wanted to kill her.
Thread Bomb - 4:3 isn’t bad at all, but only if the director intended the work to be seen in 4:3. For example, even though they’re tv shows, both Buffy and Angel should only been watched with in 4:3.
I mentioned those two shows because when the HD DVDs sets came out for Buffy, it was done so horribly. They people who worked on the show said they, too, thought it was horrible.
Oddly enough, the Gus Van Sant remake was my introduction to the Psycho films, as I hadn't seen the original or even too many references to it at that point in my life or even a trailer for the remake. I was like 13 when I snuck into a screening of it basically on a whim after bailing on some other movie I bought a ticket for and actually really liked it, I think for the reasons Jay points out about what audiences experienced with the original film: the plot was shocking in how it bails on what seems to be the main character and just turns on a dime. For me the whole thing was very original and fresh and felt quite shocking and subversive.
But then years later I saw the Hitchcock original and was blown away by how much better it was in terms of tone, acting, and certainly the lighting due to it being shot in black and white and having the lighting appear more prominent.
I'm at work, time to go take a 41 minute dump.
Im taking a dump at work while reading this comment
I'm taking a dump at work while writing this comment.
I wasn't in work but I went in on my day off to take a dump so I could contribute to this thread
I'm taking a dump in a dump.
Its been two weeks, im still taking that dump.
I was lucky enough to have my dad show me the original Psycho as a young lad without being spoiled on the twist.
I'm glad Carter Burwell's score for Psyco III got a mention because that was possibly my favorite part of that movie. When I was a teenager, I recorded the credits music onto a cassette tape and would listen to it with my walkman.
Just re-watching these to get in the halloween mood and am shocked that its already 4 years old. Damn how fast the time went by.
Josh is really showing off his experimental music knowledge this episode
* borderline experimental
You guys should do a reView of Suspiria before the remake comes out!
That'd be great, but I could listen to Jay talk Giallo all day
There’s a remake coming?
Hope it's in black and white that would be cool
Yeah. Mike and Rich should review it. Put Jay behind the camera.
I was just gonna say this!!
Excited for the synthwave soundtrack to Psycho III to see a semi-popular resurgence.
I could watch Jay talk about movies for years.
You probably will
Yes, the Psycho remake was an experiment. Gus Van Sant recently discussed this on the Marc Maron podcast.
...The Blob re:View next?
...or better yet, commentary track...
The Blob Vs The Thing. Who wins??
@@MrBallTech they already did a re:view for the thin, so I don't think they're gonna do a commentary track. Besides, the Carpenter/Russel commentary is awesome already, so it might be hard for them to add anything interesting
ooh boy do I have a surprise for you coming
Well Jay, what did you think of Venom: A Star Wars Story?
The hilarious thing about the steps in part 3 is just the idea of falling backwards down an entire set of steps and somehow maintaining your footing the whole way.
I hear the footstep foley and I just imagine that her legs are offscreen flailing around like ragdoll physics in a video game lol...
I watched Psycho II because of Jay and I'm glad I did. But I won't go any further. I don't want it to be ruined.
Smart
As soon as I heard the saxophone during that scene, I knew it was David Sandborn. A quick google check confirmed it. That guy was THE sax go-to during the 80s for movie soundtracks.
Very well done fellas. The Psycho sequels are not often talked about but I have a soft spot for all of them.
Matricide. The act of tearing the label off a matress.
As someone with an uncle named Chet, I can confirm that he's not someone you'd ever want to spend time with, or loan money to.
Psycho 4 still makes subtle references to parts 2 and 3. I like to think they're still connected even if the writer says they are not.
"let me get my walkman" - reporters used to use professional tape recorders and microphones for interviews, Sony's were also branded Walkman.
Suspiria, Inferno and Daemons for your next three part series? Loved this look at Psycho. You guys always do a great job.
I had no idea young Norman was Henry Thomas-- that dude's been Norman Bates & Jack Torrance and I've never seen him suck in a role.
Hell, even the stories they tell about his audition for ET are him flooring fuckin' Spielberg and everyone else on set.
This guy deserves way more recognition than I see him get.
I had to re watch jays piano face so many times, it had me laughing so much
"Stylish, weird and sleazy." - Jay Bauman
I just want a 2 hour re:view special of Jay and Josh mentioning obscure actors nobody's heard of being in the movies
Thumbs up for the Negativland reference!
Yeah! Negativland! They're a pretty good band!
Yeah! Love Negativland!!
@@gwynlee6192 Negativeland; we're pretty good!
could you guys consider Brazil or any other Terry Gilliam film, please and thank you.
Honestly Psycho II is really good.
10:36 Jay says that the death scene in the phone booth might've been influenced by Argento. In my opinion, Jay is missing the bigger picture. It seems a lot more likely to me that the scene in question was influenced by Hitchcock. The reason why the scene might "feel" like Argento is because Argento himself was also heavily influenced by Hitchcock. But the phone booth scene in Psycho III seems to be taking its cues from the iconic shower scene in the original Psycho; not from Argento.
@8Yum Dario Argento, the movie director. He made the original Suspiria.
Josh gives Negativland a shout-out. If Jay's the pretentious film buff, is Josh the pretentious music buff?
Yes
Jay hit the nail on the head about the Gus Van Sant remake. He spoke on it quite a bit on Marc Maron' s podcast
What I liked about those last 2 seasons of the show was even if you are a fan of the original film they still mix it up enough so you can't just say you know how it ends solely because of its source material!
Thoughtful, intellectual discussion of film as an art form!?! Bring back the nerdy one or the drunk nerdy one, you HACKS!!!
Olivia Hussey should have played both Mother and Norman's Wife in Psycho 4.
"Ding"
I'd be interested in hearing what you guys think about One Hour Photo.
Also I'd be REALLY interested in seeing you boys doing the Bates Motel TV show. Jay seems to enjoy it but I'd really like to hear about why. I am curious if we share similar views.
I was pleasantly surprised by Bates Motel. The marketing made it look like a CW teen drama but it turned out to be kind of like Twin Peaks if Twin Peaks had a story that went somewhere.
I haven’t watched it in a while, but I did really enjoy what I watched. The main actor had such a great screen presence as Norman, with that really great blend of both considerate and unsettling.
Kinda disappointed to hear they did a story arc with Marion though. The final scene of the show really should’ve been Marion checking into the motel.
I would love to see Jay and The Wizard discuss some classic Coen Brothers or Cronenberg.
Yes! Or Verhoeven or Brian Singer.
It is a shame Perkins is not still around to hear you inform the public of how versatile and talented he was.
Everytime the camera is on Josh I can't help but stare at his Shining shirt.
I'll argue that Mick Garris's second best film he's done is Sleepwalkers! Say what you will about the writing and the characters (and you'd be correct) but it's a smashing monster movie and the one Stephen King story that didn't have a book to its name, yes it was a movie written by Stephen King for Mick Garris to direct and it's a fantastic atmospheric and fun monster movie and Enya does the main theme for it, how can you not love that?
Josh is the key to all this.
He’s so dense.
I watched the 4 movies so I could watch this re:view. I enjoyed the franchise. 2 to 4 have their problems but also quite a few qualities, I was never bored.
Thanks, redlettermedia.
I actually saw "Psycho III" first when I was waaay too young to be watching it and the others came much later. Looking back on it, the 3rd film seems like it's set up where Norman mistakenly thinks he's doing the killing (I think he says in part 2 that he blacks out) but the real killer turns out to be Duke. I think Universal chickened out with that reveal. Great video, guys!
I watched Psycho II as a rifftrack and quickly released that it was too good of a movie to rifftrack
Rich Evans is my father
Rich Evans is my lover
Rich evans is my mother
Rich Evans is all and none.
Rich Evans turns water into wine..
And my butthole into a gaping creampie.
(Graphic content warning)
Rich Evans is my daddy
I haven't even seen these movies (i've seen bits of the first one) but I really enjoyed these reView's, interesting and entertaining, a great combo.
This has been my favorite reView! Please do more retros on obscure horror franchises 🙏
13:28 Jay looks deep into your soul.
I am glad that you guys touched on the scores and music in the movies - hopefully you will continue to talk about soundtracks in future episodes and reviews!
Can Jay replace Chris Evans in the MCU? Yes he can
Chris Evans? Brother of the famous Rich Evans?
I would just to have a scene where Captain america Jay says "Looks like the avengers will be getting a new team mate! Oh it's just spiderman *slide whistle close up*
He’s doing hair double work for Avengers: A Very Thanos Thanksgiving
Y'all miss? (or not care) that the book Meg Tilly was reading in 2, "In The Belly of the Beast," is laying in the yard in the opening pan shot of 3. (Not a bad book...just used for its title, obviously.)
And the finger streaks in the window from 2...which Tilly cleaned off in 2. Oh well. Still - cute detail.
After going down a Italian Giallo horror film rabbit hole, I figured I would report back that a RLM favorite (Cameron Mitchell) is the star of one called Blood and Black Lace.
Is there really a difference?
Wait so ur saying there exists a movie that has both a Cameron Mitchell performance AND shitty Italian antics??
That got a bluray re-release a week or 2 ago
And it's a pretty good Mario Bava Giallo to boot. Bava was a quality director through and through.
My friend and I watched it as our gateway to giallo knowing only the premise. We completely lost our shit when we saw it starred Cameron Mitchell
Psycho III is beautifully filmed and very surreal, it’s definitely more about mood then the plot or acting. Psycho IV is the weakest of the sequels in my opinion, but still worth a watch: well filmed and well acted, brings a sense of closure to the series
Thank you rlm for consistently uploading just in time for my commute home.
I find Jay's ghost shirt terrifying.
Avoid the cereal aisle, then.
I have all of the Pyscho movie covers stamped in my brain from seeing all the VHS boxes at the video store every day. I've never seen any of the sequels though. I'll have to give them a go.
Hearing Jay say he liked Bates Motel a lot is so satisfying.
Negativland.... Simply put wow. I remember when I bought their album A Big 10x8 Place it came with a sticker, map of the bay area and a bag of woodchips.
I love Psycho 3, too. I remember seeing it on TV a lot as a kid.
You shams!! You forgot the colon in re:View
If they review Venom I'm gonna guess Jay hates it and mike loves it bc it's so bad and goofy
I think they'll all kinda dig it. The whole film is incredible schlock
Fucking love Venom, IDC what anyone says
13:47 The pepperoni pizza pie peep hole.
That Sheriff is Rich in 5 years
pretty sure rich Evans will be in a casket in 5 years, he has a
crippling diabetes and AIDSSSSS!!
The reason I liked the Psycho remake is because it showed absolutely that you can have the same script, cinematography, lighting, and soundtrack, but the actors' performances alone can change the entire movie. Experiment complete.
I'm pretty sure this movie was meant to be a direct sequel to Psycho 2 and 3 because Norman actually references his murders from the previous films.
I don't think it ignored 2 and 3 the way Halloween 2018 ignored all the others. It didn't need to reference anything after his teenage years because the whole premise was based around the murder of his mother and its immediate aftermath. I also didn't find it to be too much of a stretch that, in Movie-Land anyway, a hotshot psychiatrist who's been getting amazing results with deranged patients managed to get Norman out of the asylum on a very strict home detention basis, and has a relationship with him. It'd never happen in real life obviously but it worked if you consider it takes place in 1995 or something, with Psycho 3 ending with his arrest in 1983 (because it takes place at the same time Psycho II came out).
Psycho 3 is a blast. Psycho 2 is really well made and the first is a classic. The 4th film is surprisingly good but the weakest. The series as a whole is fantastic thanks to Anthony Perkins’s pitch perfect portrayal.
I love the fact that she dies on Cupid's arrow when she falls down the stairs.
Did not expect part 2 to be up so fast, awesome!!
I remember watching the first Bates Motel pilot on NBC when I was a kid. I thought it was going to be a straight up comedy because the advertising kept mentioning that the main protagonist was in the same institution as Norman due to having killed his dad(?) by shoving him in the dryer and tumble drying him to death when he was a kid. Instead, the studio was going for a supernatural vibe with 50's ghosts checking in to the hotel and keeping a woman from committing suicide. I think they wanted to cash in on the Friday the Thirteenth: The Series/ Tales From The Dark Side syndicated show popularity of the time.
I'm just waiting for Half in the bag on Venom & A star is Born
Dammit where’s my Venom review you hacks
They ain't gonna know what hit 'em.
Very cool
Nobody cares about that.. we're all just waiting for an Ishtar review..
I can already imagine them and how miserable they'll look during the review.
I WANT MIKE TO TALK ABOUT STAR TREK NEMESIS DAMN IT
The best thing about the remake was the poster and Danny Elfman's arrangement of the original score. The remake is an experimental art film that had no business being released as a mainstream movie.
MadCap Productions I gotta disagree. Every shot being the same makes you very very aware of how much none of it is the same. You think so much about the original and are forced to recontextualize your feelings as a result.
Experimental art film? The remake was pure shlock.
What makes it an experimental film is that I don’t believe Van Sant ever intentionally meant for it to be an earnest film, it’s purely a lark. No one can truly watch this as a conventional film. It’s a project film done at the expense of the studio. The big indicator is when he cameos with a Hitchcock lookalike berating him, acknowledging that he’s basically trolling everyone. The Walkman line is another example.
I just recently finished watching Bates Motel and while I enjoyed it for the most part, I can't deny I was kind of disappointed with how much it diverged from Psycho. I think in part 1 of this reView, Jay or Josh said that you never stop sympathizing with Norman Bates in the movies, but I can't say the same for Freddie Highmore's version of the character; I ultimately found him way less less likable than Anthony Perkins' Norman. I love Vera Farmiga in the show, but I think in making Norma a more sympathetic character, it turns Norman into more of a villain.
I found Norman's character sympathetic until the very end, actually. I think fleshing out Norma's character made the story all the more tragic, too. She just wanted to help her son but ultimately ended up destroying him.
It was certainly a different kind of tragedy. Norman was a victim of bad parenting either way, though Farmiga's Norma was much more well-intentioned than the character we know from the films. But by making Norman conscious of the fact that there was something wrong with him, and having him choose to commit murder as himself instead of as "Mother," he no longer felt like a potentially redeemable figure, which is how I saw him when Anthony Perkins played the character. I suppose the show was satisfying enough as its own self-contained thing, even though it doesn't work as a Psycho prequel. I guess you could say I was unhappy with how much it subverted my expectations, to borrow an oft-used criticism I've seen on this channel.
@@rocketdave719 To be fair, the sole murder Norman knowingly commits he feels incredibly guilty over and turns himself in. The fact that he regrets it so much helped keep him sympathetic imo because you could still see the awkward but sweet teenage boy we'd come to know in season 1. The only time I found Norman unlikeable is when he was being clearly manipulative and deceitful in S4 tho I totally understood his frustration and anger at being locked up in Pineview.
I am curious as to why you think him being conscious of his alter ego makes him less reedemable tho? The mother personality was very strong and often took over even when Norman didn't want her to (which happened at the end of Psycho too). She even went so far as to bang his head against a toilet just to knock him out.
When I watched the movies, I could buy the idea that Norman might have been cured and found a happy ending, but with the direction they took him in the TV show, that was much harder to imagine. In Psycho, Norman comes across as more "innocent" because he apparently has no idea what he's doing, and that's how he is at the beginning of Bates Motel as well, but he eventually sees so many warning signs, it's harder to excuse his behavior. Maybe I'm being too hard on the character because I felt let down when I realized that the show wasn't going to sync up with Psycho in the way I assumed it would. I'm not saying I didn't feel badly for Highmore's Norman, but as the show went on, he showed more ugly sides of the character's personality that made it harder for me to like him.
@@rocketdave719 I think our views differ so much because I watched the show first. I saw Psycho for the first time recently and I guess it's because of the show's influence that I feel Highmore's Norman lines up with how Norman acts in the movie. For a large portion of the show, Norman believes his mother is doing the killing. He wishes she didn't but is willing to cover for her (even commit suicide with her to stop the killing) because he loves her so much. Similarly, Psycho's Norman is aware of how murderous his mother is and still protects her by disposing of the evidence of her crimes. So I don't think Perkins' Norman is necessarily innocent as he regularly aids and abets and ignores his mother's crimes. Both Norman's are culpable imo and I think I'm okay with that because the show gave me the background necessary to understand their motivations.
I do agree that the show portrayed Norman in such a way that a happy ending wasn't possible. It could've been had Norma not been so controlling in the beginning and more open to receiving help for her son. That's what makes it so tragic tho.
U guys are bonkers. Psycho 3 is a classic on all levels!
The vince Vaughn remake was the first psycho movie i watched back in 2000. I was in my early teens and it really creeped me out. Didnt know about the origonal until many years later. Yes the remake is not needed, but i still have a soft spot for it because it was my first.
the clips unlocked a repressed memory. I have seen psycho 4 and completely forgot about it.
RE: The remake.
I ABSOLUTELY think that Van Zant was pulling one on the studio, and I think Hitch would've cackled at it.
The film is useless, but....I did like the weird choices (like Norman's casting), just on a WTF level. I've only watched it once.
OMG, I forgot about Friday The 13th TV Series, I used to watch it every week. It was great!
When I saw the notification, I was briefly excited at the possibility of HitB: Venom, but this is great too
"that's why I liked this film, it's so sleazy" oh jay, we know
A Negativeland call out? That is secret society level nerd. Mad respect
I've never asked anything from you guys but a re view of the 1985 movie "The Stuff" would be so great. Oh and you hacks are something whatever people are saying now.
Other than the fall down the stairs I love m.cs death in 3. How she was killed on cupids statue was so symbolic. I especially like how it was not there for the sake of it. The statue was there since the first film and they utilised it well
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Yoshikage Kira just wants to live a quiet life.
I've had a love for PSYCHO IV ever since getting hooked on the series as a kid. It truly is corny, but when you compare it to every other horror movie prequel out there, it's relatively well done and has got some great performances. Also, I like in the movie when Chet bops Norman in the face with his boxing glove, and you see a millisecond flash of light before the next shot of Norman falling onto the lawn. THAT was a very Hitchcockian touch, and I appreciate Mick Garris making that effort. PSYCHO III, I tried to rewatch, and I agree with Wizard, the characters are truly unlikable, and the suicide material involving Diana Scarwid was uncomfortably dark, so I gave up 30 minutes in.
I like it when one of them does something weird and they just look around wildly for some reason.
Yeah I recognize the 'there is no good' scene from the start as well, it's every night when I turn the lights off and go to bed. Great way to end the day 👍
Jay just loves that dancing skeleton haha
Psycho III I think also borrowed from Thomas Harris' Red Dragon/Mann's Manhunter; the idea that the serial killer might be redeemed by a woman who could accept him.
Possible
yay for the negativeland shout-out.