CONTESTS ARE FIXED - MIKE MENTZER VS ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER - GOLDEN ERA RIVALRY MOTIVATION
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- CONTESTS ARE FIXED - MIKE MENTZER VS ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER - GOLDEN ERA RIVALRY MOTIVATION
In this video you can watch golden era rivalry motivation. Here, you're watching the 1980 Mr. Olympia rivalry between Mike Mentzer vs Arnold Schwarzenegger. And Mike Mentzer complain that IFBB contests are fixed.
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Mike got the last laugh when he took Dorian Yates under his wing. He helped Dorian become Mr Olympia and proved that the heavy duty principles work.
Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.
@@oDnju Blah blah blah
@@oDnjuWeider made sure of that.
Dorian only met Mike twice and was weighing 275lbs at the time and Dorian has said although they shared similar training philosophy he felt to win the Olympia he did six working sets for each body part whereas Mike only did 1 or 2 Working sets …. He said at no time was Mike his trainer and both Mike and Dorian used the training philosophy of Arthur jones the original creator of HIT
Stop the glazing
" There is a lot of politics and when i call it politics, i mean corruption..." wisest words ever
❤ for Heavy duty "Mentzer"
Grew up loving arnold but Mike Mentzer was the man for standing up to the bully
he didn't drop the trophy!! like a gentleman he accepted it then PLACED it on the floor and like a professional he graciously left.
Ifbb has always been a joke ,the public finally got exposed to this over the years.
Politics may sometimes play a role in sports, but not all the time
@@HulktubeMotivation When there's large sums of money at stake - EVERY TIME.
Arnold taught us the stength of networking over hardwork.
yep sure did
So you’re saying he didn’t work hard?
@@im_ericgarciahe was on roids didn’t work as hard as mike he was a bully
Im sure he had people do favors for the judges!
Apparently, Arnold's late entrance into the 1980 Mr was outside the rules also.
The true winner was MIKE MENTZER, He may have lost due to politics, But he left us with HEAVY DUTY TRAINING. And HIS LEGACY. And ifbb can never do anything about THAT.
Mike mentzer was greater than arnold i met him at the nabba mr universe and he was great to talk to his legacy will live on.
How many movies Mentzer make? Case closed
@@yeahsure9759first off... No one looks up to Arnold as an actor. Never. Ever. 😂 And now and for awhile Arnold's ways in lifting have been known and most just see him as the physique. Mikes was better, but due to the politics ...he was pushed out of people's minds... But now his actual philosophy and ways of lifting are being looked at... Arnold, yes is rich and rich. Horrible actor. Horrible politician, and yea....
@@yeahsure9759 How people did Mike rape, grope and perform pedophilia? Case closed
I have been a devotee of Arnold and his training philosophy. Now that I've got that out of the way, I believe his best showings were '72,'74, and '75. In 1980, he looked like a shadow of himself. He was in Hollywood shape, but not competition shape. He wasn't ready. He allegedly trained for eight weeks for the contest. This is after a five year retirement. Eight weeks? I don't think so.
He pulled out all the stops, the judges were also good friends of Arnold. I don't recall if he had a had in promotion as well. Let's face it, Mentzer was the best physique that day, not Arnold.
Good point, m
Look what Kevin Lee one did in about 3 months after many many years off..
“Impossible” is a matter of perspective..
@MrGlock86 good point, m
@Mantastic-ho3vm good observation, I suppose it also comes down to what genetics nature gives one, in order to stand a chance in becoming a champion, m
@Mantastic-ho3vm So arnold had it all than all the other body builders in that stage ?...Stop the cap fool.
Most contest are fixed. Name a sport. If it has to do with money, or gambling.
its all vanity. thank GOD i didnt follow it to their extreme.
arnold is a dirty guy. he also fixed 1981 for franco to win
Facts
With the finest gynecomastia you’ve ever seen. Probably the most obvious set up win in bodybuilding history.
And in ‘76
This had created a stigma in bodybuilding with Joe Weider being fully aware, the judges according to rumors were changed by Weider to favor Arnold , with Weider it was bout the publication sales, and Arnold was the "golden goose", in shape or not !!
@@lobby-3alliance196 That's exactly what John Hansen said happened at the 1972 Mr. Olympia against Sergio Oliva.......... Weider changed out the judges 5, maybe 7 times..........
Mike Mentzer. Anytime🙇🏻♂️
3:00 - "...GEARING up for this event..."
You beat me to it lol.
He was a movie star by then, did you really think anyone was going to earn that title. 🤨
Mike Mentzer looked the best symmetrical body he looked incredible. And I can say I'm using his techniques and I can see incredible growth from working out once every 7-10 days. I'm blown away from the difference
@brycecampbell4845
Day 9 is Amazing. Thats when you know its real..
I'm following Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty program for about 8 months now and I lost 15lbs of fat getting into 15%-16% bf and my physique looks amazing. I'm not sure how to post my photo here though.
@bbreon75 Congrats on that. I've been eating plant based for a while now.. and coupling that with mentzer's philosophy on intensity, training to muscle failure, and recovery have opened my eyes on to what true physical (and mental) growth can look like.
Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.
Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.
Congratulations to Arnold’s mates for placing Arnold in 1st place , you must be really proud of yourselfs. 👏
There were so many other Bodybuilder that were miles ahead of arnold during his competition time....arnie at the height of his BB career... wouldn't even cut the classic physique top 10 nowadays days
Maybe Arnold killed Mike and Ray.
if any judges are still living, they should be interviewed and see what they have to say about that day of competition
Absolutely! Interviewing the judges who were present during the competition would provide valuable insights into their perspectives on that day's events.
They need to interview the criminal promoter, and Arnold's former, illegal business partner, Paul Graham as well
That'd be like asking a police union if a cop did anything wrong.
that would be very interesting!!
Arnold today should be interviewed on this!
Arnold was soft 1980 - everyone else on stage looks tremendous.
Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.
@@oDnjuArnold lost his family because he couldn't keep his snake in his pants. All because he all about himself. He's guilty of doing horrific acts. He has no human dignity whatsoever
@@oDnjuhow so? Elaborate
Great video
look at Tinerino at the 7.26 mark..looked great
Arnold was given the title to help promote his upcoming Conan movie. Joe Weider’s decision
absolutely
Did you see that lineup of bodybuilders, that has to be the best lineup of all-time.💯
Arnold is an ass-creeper and was backed-up by a strong Lobby which made him win and also became Governor later on.
Mentzer was the real hero and left the HEAVY DUTY behind, wich is a treasure..
RIP Mike!!
Mentzer should've won the 1980 Mr. OLYMPIA hands down.
He was 5th lol. Dickerson Zane boyler all looked better.
@@aaronperez6379Nope
MIKE....
got Arnold to SHIT UP and sit down in a corner. 😂
Mentzer in the 1980 was better! Am an Arnold fan but that wasn’t his best year?
There needs to be a federation as big as the Ifbb to give competitors a choice.
It's like saying there needs to be two world cups and fifa has to have competition.
There is NABBA remember Joe Wieder entered the Nabba Mr Universe but never won it.
Im currently working on making that happen brotha, stay tuned
I'm not a big Arnold fan. In the body building world it's all about politics. Plain and simple. Sergio Oliva found that out the hard way as well.
R.I.P. to Mike he was a legend hands down
Its not like he wasnt already still huge during the conan filming.
Sitting down in a confrontation is the ultimate flex.
more like the ultimate pu$$y move
Nothing like he is in his movies. What a wimp! Angry Kal Skalak confronted Wimpnegger at Gold's Gym and bumped Stupidnegger, got Arnuuuld got scared and he left! Lol! So typical
@@lateralus2199I never heard this story. Please elaborate.
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@@007stopjockin Kal didn't like the way Weider was treating some of the bodybuilders (as he was making promises that he didn't keep. Him and Joe actually got into a physical confrontation over some photos that Kal didn't approve of. Lawyers were called upon in which Kal won the case and received the award). Kal then with numerous bodybuilders were trying to create a union to protect bodybuilders. Kal was one of the leaders of this union. Joe Weider was approached by the union members. Arnold was also on board then changed his mind at the last minute, jumped ship and pissed off Kal to the point that a fight almost broke out between them. Kal bumped Arnold with his shoulder, and Arnold left the scene like a wimp that he is
Mentzer had the better physique.
No legs
Mike Menzter no legs
@@oDnju And then you woke up with sawdust everywhere. Lol! Mike could use Arnold's legs to pick his teeth with. Arnold had the worst legs ever from an Olympia (Dumbo Columbo, next in line).
Arnolds Calves were stillk very good tho
@@Trendle222 So? His thighs were long and lanky and resembled pool sticks. Thighs are suppose to be bigger than calves. His were the opposite
11:41 again frame by frame watch n judge..
This contest and 1973 Mr. O Contest.. who ever had a better footage must have dug gold!
Really irritating how you show Mike's younger brother Ray at different points when you are talking about Mike.
Nothing has changed. Just look at last year's Olympia.
Mentzer finished in 5th place. if he had placed 2nd I would agree with him.
go back to the boy scouts you have to grow up
@@lavarball3070 ~ What are you saying? Please explain ...
@@tjftor the politics are like that of the boy scouts
@@lavarball3070 ok thank you now I understand what you are saying , take care.
@@tjftor you too take care
Arnold was a friend of a judge! He will tell you rhat he took.every advantage!
5 hours Day training way to mutch
Both worked they just didn't get on. Steroids helped plus they trained on top of using. Mike died an addict Arnie had heart problems. Both looked great Both paid a price Arnie still with us. Both huge in the sport.
Honestly Arnold was more of a bully than a champion!! if there is any chance of him loosing he will ensure the opponents are misdirected or manupulated before hand...MIKE MENTZER & KAI GREENE are peoples champions!!!❤
His classy wife took the kids & never looked back . He will die alone
Arnold Schwarzenfreedom will go down in history as being the maskinator
Was a crime Mentzer didn't win this one. Arnold's upper legs and chest presented no where near show ready
Noticed the 2018 Arnold classic too, the favorite was given hundreds of a second off to drop the stone.
Compared to other competitors which waited about 2 seconds to hold
Hope everyone in the comments has an awesome 🙌 day 👌
you too mate
@@HulktubeMotivation thank you 🙏
I wouldn't be surprised if Don King was there greasing the judges and Joe Wieder so Arnold would win.
Nothing to do with bodybuilding... but in 2013, i only trained 4 weeks prior to a 21 km race. My first one in 25 years. And i completed it! Most people would have been out of breath after the first 10 km.
May mike rest in peace a true legend who was robbed in my eyes he deserved much more
Whose the shorter guy in the back shot at 1:09 - 1:10? That is insane level of back development in any era let alone that era. Wow!!!
Tom Platz
He means the short black guy. Tom Platz probably had the weakest back among them all@@crownshep
That’s Chris Dickerson
looks like Danny Paddia
Mentzer had much better approach to training but he could never match Arnolds genetics.
Mike was right and Arnold couldn't live with that.
Arnold has accomplished so many great things but I do believe him to be a very difficult person.
So are most of the best athletes in the world in every sport. Michael jordan wasn't particularly the nicest guy. Worked out great for him.
mentzer got ROBBED
His psychological warfare worked😅
We all know if was fixed in 80 & 81
❤️
You can complain all you want but it will not get overturned.
If Arnold only trained 6weeks if he had 6months then he would have been victorious on all accounts. I’m not sided him just stating that he did look pretty dame good for hat short time but Mike looked in peak shape.
Yes yes, all this is true, we heard from voices, we heaed from voices.
🤣🤣🤣
Arnold first got his figurative ducks in a row and verified that the judges were all his friends and only then would he announce that he was entering the contest - a day in advance, whereas the rules required a month's advanced notice. He hurled insults at Mike and at Boyer Coe at the competitors' meeting and had to be saved by Ben Weider from getting his clock cleaned. He neglected compulsory poses and that was overlooked by the judges (who, again, were his friends). He had a big screen movie role coming up and entered with full confidence Joe Weider would have too much to gain financially by his success to ever allow him to lose. Face it, if not for Joe Weider's sponsorship early on and Vince Gironda's hands-on tutelage prepping him for competition in the U.S., the name of Arnold wouldn't be much more than a footnote in the sport's history, manipulative bottom-feeder that he is. And unappreciative; when WAS the last time you heard him give Vince Gironda ANY mention, let alone credit?
Yeah well, what happened happened and Arnold was the chosen one. No doubt 1980 Mr O was a huge blunder though
@@teufelhund53 true enough, what's done is done. What you said is an understatement, though. When only your sponsor (Joe Weider; he wasn't a movie star yet) and your friends the judges (along with gangs of fanboys decades later) see you as the winner - the audience present was erupting in boos - it says something about whoever would consider that a "victory". I was not there myself, but I know what I see when I look over the coverage.
@@Mantastic-ho3vm nothing new that hasn't been rehashed and rebutted. Arnold has lost to Zane (not that I'm saying Frank should've won in '80 as he was coming off an injury and a good way from his best), Chet Yorton, Sergio Olivia of course, and some Iraqi bodybuilder whose name I'm trying to recall. Arnold was big and imposing, and by all accounts had a huge hit to his self esteem when he lost. Hence Joe Weider sending him to Vince Gironda to train to really get in shape.
Mentzer "creating a hype around himself" ? I knew the guy between 1981, and 1991 after he put his demons behind him; it's plain from your assertions you never did. He didn't like what Arnold DID, though yes, I don't think he would like ANYONE who didn't give credit where it's due or manipulative bottom-feeders in general. Look, I like the guy's movies too for the most part, but when it comes to who can be properly said to have won in 1980 and the backstory to the event, no one possessed of good conscience who followed Arnold's path to that platform has grounds to feel good about himself. I compartmentalize his movie (heh ... I will not call it "acting") career from his bodybuilding history, bottom line. The 1980 Mr. O fiasco is all I'm interested in discussing here, and there's a REASON why those who scoff at Arnold being awarded the Sandow that year were either the ones who were present (and booing Arnold) or those who've read and watched video accounts of it, whereas fanboys raised on Conan and the Terminator are, decades later, the ones digging up dirt on Mike and screaming "sour grapes" at him. My own opinion since you're making yours painfully clear is that either Boyer Coe or Chris Dickerson, arguably with Dennis Tinerino in the mix, could've credibly won. Arnold, Mike, Roy Challenger, Roger Walker, and Frank in no particular order after that, which pains me to admit as I've trained with Mike and am a huge fan of Frank's aesthetics. Your disparaging of high intensity training is groundless and ill-founded, and deserving of its own discussion (of which there are many on RUclips if it interests you). Not going to be dragged far off-topic, not sorry.
@@Mantastic-ho3vm it may not have been me who rebutted all the Arnold sycophants, but they have been over the years. It doesn't interest me to do so yet again as I'm as indifferent to the rants of Arnold fans as they are to their hero's amoral conduct. Arnold "won", if you call being gift wrapped & handed to him by Joe & his cronies. He won in the same sense that the last WrestleMania champion did. The "best out of a bad lineup" is your opinion and you need no one's approval to voice it. ONLY your opinion though; not shared by many viewing this video or sounding off in the comments ...or, you know, by the people actually present at that contest.
I don't think we'll find agreement on this. Arnold was, in my opinion this time, neither his own best nor the best on stage that night. One can argue (as we both see) that the same can be said about Mike Mentzer. All things considered, I don't think any OBJECTIVE man can argue who the better (not better promoted, rich, or more popular) PERSON is.
We're at a point of essentially repeating the same talking points with merely different words, so I'd say that's a wrap. Have a good one; you and I are done with this.
@@Mantastic-ho3vmMentzer never said HE should have won. He simply said Arnold should not have bud
Arnold no full overall package that day and it showed.
So far...... in most youtube videos I've seen, whenever Mike Mentzer is spoken of they show his Brother, Ray too.
They're not Twins, so what's tge mixup?
Can someone name the whole line up they all looked incredible left to right
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Mr._Olympia
Mike won plane & simple. Politics.
Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.
Mike.. calm down
Arnold 5hrs a day hahahaha please lmao
Mike Mentzer, Boyer Cole, and especially Sergio Olivia were all robbed Aronald should've won MAYBE 2 or 3 Olympia's NOT 6 yeah he was joes golden boy!
Arnold knew how affect his opponents minds
Unfortunately, bodybuilding is a subjective sport. Judges are human and can be influenced like any of us. Arnolds height (Mentzer was only 5'8"), winning history, and other attributes probably played a role as well as Joe Weider. Arnold wasn't above using politics to his advantage. That said, he's still the GOAT and did a lot to popularize the sport imo.
Arnold's boy toy best friend Franco Columbu won 2 Olympia's.. and he was only 5'5"..!
It's totally rigged.
@@Thunderpussy1234 Daaamn dude,simmer down ! Wha'd Franco ever do to you¡?😂
Good point, but Franco never won against Arnold. If it was totally rigged, I don't blame the competitors. It would have been Joe Weider. I guess I'm not sure where the line is between heavily influenced and totally fixed. 🤔
PAUL GRAHAM the promoter of the contest was Arnold's very good friend and frequent houseguest for many years...
Training 5 hours a day Arnold ?
Yup he told so in an interview, He loved to over train
@@HulktubeMotivation but training at least 5 x a week what could you train for 5 hours a day unless it includes stretching, eating , massage
@@bigcatz74 I heard him say the gym was like a party. He would take longer rest periods, goof around with the guys and just have a good time between sets.
Both Jerry Brainum and Dave Draper said Arnold did not train 5 hours a day as claimed but most of the time it was more like 1.5 hours more or less
Marathon Arnold sometimes trained 3 hours a day twice a day in which he mentioned this in his stupid book, "Education of a bodybuilder" and other sources in Muscle Builder and other magazines
You can clearly see mike say... "Bullsht"
So Mike Menzer's perfect 300 score was fixed too. Ok.
Omg this is so scary...
Vegeta...
Give me your power!!!!
Arnold knew he didn't have it that year
Less we not forget that Adolf (Arnold) was also given privileges early on because his father was a Nazi officer during WW2. Adolf's father, in reality, was given the nickname of The Terminator.
I've heard, on the grape vine, Arnie wrecked shoulders all over the world with the "Arnie Press"
arnold the professional bullshitter
But he is still alive and training 🤔😁
Mentzer is a piece of crap. Not worthy of an opponent for Arnold.
Barely alive. Almost died in the mid 90's because all of the drugs and PEDS he was consuming when he was competing. Just got fitted for a pacemaker a few days ago. Nice going, Arnie
@@lateralus2199Yup, not to mention the heart operation he had a while ago. Seems like his heart is giving out, and dude is trying to advertise a healthy living by just doing light weights and cardio to extend the life of his heart.
@@LuciaGTAVI665 Exactly! Several heart surgeries. Can't eat meat as well (doctors told him to stop consuming meat) and is on a crusade against predacious consumption. Supporter of The World Economic Forum where they approve of eating insects over eating meats. Let's not forget Arnie's cigar smoking practices.
Corruption in sports....no never lol.
Giants in the 80s. Best time ever
Yet the next year Franco won with gyno and a bad bicep! Go figure
No legs also. 🍗
In a contest promoted by his best friend. How convenient
Thats pretty much called snitching.
Damn,this world is evil. Arnold did such wow.
I think Arnold winning had lot to do with his pose and how he made himself looks like he is in better shape and size by way how he pose on each different pose
If Arnold really get back his form in 8 weeks, then that should be the prime example for Mike mentzer HIT program.
If menzer was cheated out of first place, why did he come in third. Arnold had the presence and stage experience that put him in first place
Mike really knew what he was doing thats why he died much to young wake up people.
Mike came in 5th not second.
Robbed of nothing.
Arnold was hands down the best in the 1980.
Mister universe Better all around he won
Tom platz said it correctly, if Mike would have kept his mouth shut and congratulated Arnold, Mike would have been Mr Olympia the next year.
Mike should have learned then that the Olympia wasn’t just about the physique, but also about popularity.
Though it may not be fair, had Mike taken more care in crafting his words he could have changed the outcome and direction of the rest of his life.
Yeah...He didn't play the politics game which is present in all area's of life.
Mentzer was a very dangerous person to the IFBB. Very outspoken and wasn't afraid to speak out against them. He listened, thought, and observed and got out of that organization
Joe Weider System And Bodybuilding 80's Forever.
love 70's n 80's
Almost everyone was better than Mentzer. Somehow he tied for 4th which was a huge gift. They gave him 5th because you can't have two 4th place finishers.
Yep. Many better BB’s were better than others.
Honestly Boter Coe won
Evertbody ask youself a question.
Would Arnold come out of retirement and risk his PERFECT record of wins in every Olympia he competed in?
I doubt it.
But if Arnold could get the judges to rig the contest in his favor then he could easily come out of retirement without having to risk his perfect record of wins as the contest would already be rigged in his favor.
MENTZER should have won purely on overall muscle separation throughout the ENTIRE body.
@@Mantastic-ho3vm Well, lets talk facts about Joe Weider.
Joe was sexually attracted to Arnold.
If Arnold ever inseminated Joe then Joe would have privately requested Arnold to do so.
We alreadt know that there was a strong sexual attraction but Arnold never felt the same way.
Joe would have privately requested an arrangement at a secret location where he would be repeatedly penetrated and inseminated by Arnold at a secret location in L.A.
These are all facts that are well known by the bodybuilding community including many top IFBB pros currently on the pro circuit.
What are you talking about? Mentzer was dwarfed by other competitors not just Arnold. No way me mentzer was the winner..
@@bilalattiquehe got a perfect score and still lost makes no sense
@@shaunigothictv1003LoL Shaun WTF are you even talking about brother?!?!?!
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007
Scrawnynegger's legs resembled little twigs from a rose bush
Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.
@@oDnjuFixed by weider
He claimed he was on steroids