@@90sHipHopxxl na, it depends on your taste. If in the 80s you liked Kool G more than Rakim, then you probably wouldve liked Big Pun better, if you liked Rakim more, you probably woulda liked Biggie better
@IceManLikeGervin I will give you this though, I think Capitol Punishment and Beware are Probably his 2 best. That first Terror Squad album is bonkers too but Those 2 might be his best two I could think of off the Top....100%
“Flawless victory these dudes can’t do shit to me physically lyrically hypothetically realistically” Pun murked everyone lyrically hands down bar for bar
Lyrically, Pun was superior to Big metaphorically but, Big told a better story in his rhymes. They were very different with short careers.. Big was more clever in what he put together in his rhymes and Pun was crazier with his vocabulary...
Wiz comment says it all. "Biggie was just smoother. He talked about clothes and stuff". Thanks Wiz for reminding me why I never bought any of your albums. Maybe I'm just old school but I feel like that's something a woman would consider.
@@Ourgoodplanet you just said biggie was more skilled than pun. That is absolutely not true in any facet of rhyming or being an emcee. Biggie had more commercial hits and was mos def a better story teller but he wasn’t on puns level as far as flow and the actual art of rhyming. Pun is light years ahead and you would know this if you were familiar with his catalog which i can most certainly tell you are not.
Lyrically in terms of word play it's Big Pun but Biggie made overall better music so I understand people choosing Biggie. But in terms of mad word play Pun is ahead of Biggie
Pun was a monster, when I asked myself pun vs pac, I said To myself I’m glad pac n pun never beefed, and pacs my fav, that says a lot. Pun was lyrical savage .
Both was great lyricist but Biggie was more mainstream, You had to be from New York or had to be a Hip hop head to know more than 2 or 3 songs from Big Pun.
For all those saying this is disrespectful comparing Pun to Big clearly aren't judging off lyrics. As a fan of both I recognized right away Pun was the superior lyricist. For those that know there is levels to this. You got rappers and lyricists. A lyricist is either lyrical or super lyrical. For example Big, Jayz and Kiss are lyrical. Pun, Em and Black Thought are Super lyrical. Basically Super Lyrical is more complex rhymes and metaphors. Lyrical can't beat Super Lyrical which is why Jayz was so outclassed on Renegade. By the way I believe Em would have easily beat Big too. Remember Big was only slightly better on the same track than Jayz whereas the difference between Jay and Em was hugh. Slightly better wouldn't have cut it.
@@janthony2390 why would u say big isn’t super lyrical? The only rapper I ever listened to that I didn’t get half the stuff he wa saying until I got older
Easy. His rhymes weren't as complex to be super lyrical. I've studied Renegade and Pun's Superlyrical w/ Black Thought and realized their rhyming on another level. Jay-Z is the closest rapper to Big, like MJ and Kobe. If you look at the written lyrics for Jay and Em the rhyme schemes are not even close.
The renegade, you been afraid I penetrate pop culture Bring 'em a lot closer to the block where they pop toasters And they live with they moms, got dropped roadsters. Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics Usin' his music to steer it, sharin' his views and his merits? But there's a huge interference, they're sayin' you shouldn't hear it. Jay's is good but much simpler.
The one gripe I had with Big is he never tested himself against arguably the best ever. It's like a boxing champ playing it safe with who he fights. Pun was fearless rhyming with G-Rap, Krs1, Canibus, Black Thought and Nas. Big rhymed with Method Man and a bunch of people he knew he could beat like Jayz, Lox and Junior Mafia. Why no songs with MC's like Kane, Rakim, G Rap if you were King of NY because they were around?
Pun deserves more love than what he was shown. Pun is one of thee BEST EVER but it seems like people don’t realize that fact. Biggie is my #1 rapper or all time but Pun was WAY better at rhyming than Biggie and it ain’t even close. I do think Biggie was the better songwriter tho. Even the people that hate Biggie know he had joints. Pun’s material just didn’t stick for whatever reason. Both of them were brilliant. Personally I’d have to take a shot.
As far as raw talent and ability, Pun wins hands down…but Big had such charisma, style, swagger, etc…Biggie had the bigger songs though…if Pun is aa 10, Biggie is a 9.999999…I’m more a fan of Pun’s style and lyricism…I’m in my 40s, grew up on both of these guys, and STILL catch myself rewinding Big Pun’s verses…which I’ve heard thousands of times
They both had a great flow & were lyrical but biggie for me on the strength he had more better songs album wise and guests appearances but pun first album is a classic
I feel like the reality of it is that not many people really listen to pun they listen to more industry type of music and that’s what P. Diddy did for biggie so it’s like asking what’s your favorite brand of car as a millionaire no one’s gonna say the reliable Toyota/Lexus they’re going with the car that most people don’t have the Bentley or the ghost or something more extravagant because it’s more renowned and more industry favored
Jus because niggas rhymin words together don’t mean it’s lyrical ~ I love Pun, but he had those scientific rhymes like Em & Big L , all the unnecessary rhymes get redundant ~ them “ Metaphorical historical tutorial” typa rhymes
No honest person can say biggie is better than Pun. They both great but pun was just on a whole other level lyrically. Makes me think they havent actually heard like any of Pun's music. He was just so much better.. i dont understand the difficulty in saying that
I knew big was going to win this but suprise by how much...both were great MCS and had short careers but biggie certainly had a bigger impact and catolog
big was smooth with his rhymes and story telling. pun was a lyrical genius . in a battle pun would beat biggie but biggie would sell way more records then pun cause he's more pop . it just depends on your style and vibe .to this day that- dead in the middle of little Italy , little did we know we riddle 2 middleman who didn't do diddly- is one of the greatest rhyme schemes ever.big is known as a legend and pun is very underrated.
3:46.. No hesitation. Pun. Every one wanted to say that, but their personal feelings got in the way. Sorry, love Biggie, but Biggie is no Big Pun. Even til thus day, no one is remotely close to the kind of Wizard Pun was behind the pen and pad. Real hip hop, real raps. No acting.
I can’t say one was “better” than the other. It’s like comparing Kane and Rakim. But I will say this there’s not a big pun beat where anyone could jump on it and say something harder or more clever. That’s a tough one for sure.
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I feel like Pun don't get enough credit
May be but you gotta give it up for biggie in a comparison
Yes yes that is so true
Pun and L were lyrical monsters but they weren't around too long which is why they dont get as much credit as they deserve.
@@90sHipHopxxl na, it depends on your taste. If in the 80s you liked Kool G more than Rakim, then you probably wouldve liked Big Pun better, if you liked Rakim more, you probably woulda liked Biggie better
i feel like your right.
Big Pun is on another level lyrically...
@@IceManLikeGervin 😐 Pun's Best Song Vrs Big's best song.........Big Wins that all day
@@IceManLikeGervin And Don't think that I love the F outta Pun and think he's ridiculous as well......Just noting that
@@joshuas4695 And what would those two songs be?
Bar for bar Pun destroys Biggie...
Nah bro.............I asked YOU first!! 😆
@IceManLikeGervin I will give you this though, I think Capitol Punishment and Beware are Probably his 2 best. That first Terror Squad album is bonkers too but Those 2 might be his best two I could think of off the Top....100%
Big had me nodding my head when he rhymed but with Pun it was WTF did he just say. Let me rewind that because he blew my mind.
Same thing with Eminem
Over and over and over 💯
When I say that, a lot of people look at me crazy I feel you
“Flawless victory these dudes can’t do shit to me physically lyrically hypothetically realistically” Pun murked everyone lyrically hands down bar for bar
Big Pun
"dead in the middle of little italy , little did we know that we riddled some middlemen that didn't do diddly"
I rock with Big punisher, no disrespect to notorious b.i.g.
Lyrically, Pun was superior to Big metaphorically but, Big told a better story in his rhymes. They were very different with short careers.. Big was more clever in what he put together in his rhymes and Pun was crazier with his vocabulary...
Great analogy brother salute 🫡!
@richardharris3002 Well put. The best analysis I have seen so far. I went with BIG.
@brianharris9949 I appreciate that bro, I grew up on both and they both were great in their own right..
@richardharris3002 Same here, and still rocking both in 2024.
I agree. Reminds me of Rakim and Kane.
Wiz comment says it all. "Biggie was just smoother. He talked about clothes and stuff". Thanks Wiz for reminding me why I never bought any of your albums. Maybe I'm just old school but I feel like that's something a woman would consider.
As a woman, that's definitely not what I gaf about especially in my music
Khalifa sounds feminine ✌️
"clothes and... " 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Pun is better lirically, Biggie was more relevant for other things
Im all about Pun. Capital Punishment is an all timer. But give me a break, biggie is a top 5 all time mc and no way I'd budge on that.
The way there choosing Biggie seems unfair because Pun was a beast
Damn that's their choice
Big was better overall. Pun is right up there with him tho
So Big wasn’t
Pun again never getting his flowers
Terror Squadians and Triplets could be the 2most slept on songs in rap history!Pun slaughtered those tracks
Facts!
Big pun was definitely underrated
PUN is the greatest lyricist ever
@@lockedndagamelifestylefilm1378 💯
That's not true bro
@@Ourgoodplanet you just said biggie was more skilled than pun. That is absolutely not true in any facet of rhyming or being an emcee. Biggie had more commercial hits and was mos def a better story teller but he wasn’t on puns level as far as flow and the actual art of rhyming. Pun is light years ahead and you would know this if you were familiar with his catalog which i can most certainly tell you are not.
One them Yes !!
Pun is up there definitely, but not the greatest
both are at an elite level lyrically but i think Big had a better catalogue, so I'd go Big
Lyrically in terms of word play it's Big Pun but Biggie made overall better music so I understand people choosing Biggie. But in terms of mad word play Pun is ahead of Biggie
True Biggie Had More Style & Flow@@samsonokoro5036
Exactly. Literally 2 near perfect albums that are both undeniable classics. Pun is incredible too tho
@@samsonokoro5036, definitely!
Liked both for real but it was always Big Pun for me.Yeahh baby
PUN is the 🐐.. Biggie is a legend. But PUN for me .
Pun with out of doubt
Pun was a monster, when I asked myself pun vs pac, I said To myself I’m glad pac n pun never beefed, and pacs my fav, that says a lot. Pun was lyrical savage .
Big pun had better rhymes and the better lyricist biggie had better flow delivery and had a bigger impact in rap so its biggie for me
biggie did not have a better flow then pun that is not true Biggie was simple stupid (no shots) and puns flow was college level
I agree
Their both MC's, you said Pun was a better lyricist and rhymer but you chose Big? Smh make it make sense
Biggie got more flow and skill
@@Ourgoodplanet na
Both was great lyricist but Biggie was more mainstream, You had to be from New York or had to be a Hip hop head to know more than 2 or 3 songs from Big Pun.
He went platinum, this is not true.
@@marcowilchiskyelmarkyPlatinum isn't enough. Biggie is multi-platinum and higher; there's a difference.
@@ALexander-ue3kjdouble platinum. Went number 1 in 98 hip hop/r n b that’s both categories put some respect on he name
1979-2005:
1. Big Pun
2. Immortal Technique
3. Kid Frost
4. B-Real (Cypress Hill)
5. Fat Joe
6. Eminem
7. Cuban Link (Full-A-Clip)
8. Nas
9. Jay-Z
10. Kool G Rap
11. Rakim
12. Big L
13. KRS - One
14. 2pac
15. Notorious B.I.G
16. Prodigy (Mobb Deep)
17. Andre 3000 (OutKast)
18. Jadakiss (The Lox)
19. Noreaga & Capone (CNN)
20. Delinquent Habits
21. Prince Markie Dee
22. AZ
23. Psycho Les & JuJu (The Beanuts)
24. Joell Ortiz
25. Beanie Sigel
26. Chino XL
27. SPM
28. Black Thought
29. Guru (Gangstarr)
30. Inspector Deck, Raekwon, GFK (Wu-Tang)
31. L.L Cool J
32. Triple Seis (Terror Squad)
33. Charlie Hustle (Terror Squad)
34. DMX
35. Mos Def
36. Reverie
37. Remy MA
38. Prospect (Terror Squad)
39. Armageddon (Terror Squad)
40. Xzibit
41. 50 Cent
42. Pitbull
43. Ruby Dee
44. Mellow Man Ace
45. Residente
Biggie easily for me🐐🔥
Pun wipes the floor with biggie.
Biggie is the politically correct answer everyone knows pun was the better rapper
yes
Just keep it 100 I was born in how's the weather in both of their era and had to give it to Big pun
Biggie was a rapper but Pun was a lyricist and Pun don’t get the respect he deserves for being such a slept on lyricist
For all those saying this is disrespectful comparing Pun to Big clearly aren't judging off lyrics. As a fan of both I recognized right away Pun was the superior lyricist. For those that know there is levels to this. You got rappers and lyricists. A lyricist is either lyrical or super lyrical. For example Big, Jayz and Kiss are lyrical. Pun, Em and Black Thought are Super lyrical. Basically Super Lyrical is more complex rhymes and metaphors. Lyrical can't beat Super Lyrical which is why Jayz was so outclassed on Renegade. By the way I believe Em would have easily beat Big too. Remember Big was only slightly better on the same track than Jayz whereas the difference between Jay and Em was hugh. Slightly better wouldn't have cut it.
What are u listening too?
Variety of people. A little bit of Rakim, Nas, Lupe, Common, etc.
@@janthony2390 why would u say big isn’t super lyrical? The only rapper I ever listened to that I didn’t get half the stuff he wa saying until I got older
Easy. His rhymes weren't as complex to be super lyrical. I've studied Renegade and Pun's Superlyrical w/ Black Thought and realized their rhyming on another level. Jay-Z is the closest rapper to Big, like MJ and Kobe. If you look at the written lyrics for Jay and Em the rhyme schemes are not even close.
The renegade, you been afraid I penetrate pop culture
Bring 'em a lot closer to the block where they pop toasters
And they live with they moms, got dropped roadsters.
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin' his music to steer it, sharin' his views and his merits?
But there's a huge interference, they're sayin' you shouldn't hear it.
Jay's is good but much simpler.
Pun for me. what i heard him say on that one song with the “Deep Cover” beat is better than anything i’ve heard from Big.
You are bugging
Tht jont was stone cold fosho ~ But you obviously ain’t listened to enough Biggie
pun was on another level lyrically above every rapper
1:03 kanye wanted to get drunk so bad 😂😂😂
The first latin rapper to baffle your soul.
Rest In Peace Punisher
Rest In Peace Frank White
Noriega is so wrong. Pun came out in 95 on a Fat Joe song called "Watch out"
No honest person can say biggie is better than Pun. They both great but pun was just on a whole other level
Big Pun was much better lyrically. I like biggie to tho but Pun is my favorite rapper of all time.
I mean i f with biggie heavy but god damn Pun was diff bro real talk
Lyrically it's not even a competition.. big pun and big L would smoke any mc Lyrically.. period
Just take that shot for these iconic brothers
Capital punishment was dope
No disrespect to biggie I love biggie, but come on bro, yall know pun has the better bars
Most definitely.
Biggie had the commercial success, but Pun was by far the better rapper, better lyricist, hardcore
2 of my favorite rappers, but by far is crazy
Tupac dikrider
By far? Have you just read what you wrote?
You crazy!!! Biggie came from the dome.
Pun was lyrics bananas dope
Pun 100%
Big never had me rewind his songs.
The one gripe I had with Big is he never tested himself against arguably the best ever. It's like a boxing champ playing it safe with who he fights. Pun was fearless rhyming with
G-Rap, Krs1, Canibus, Black Thought and Nas. Big rhymed with Method Man and a bunch of people he knew he could beat like Jayz, Lox and Junior Mafia. Why no songs with MC's like Kane, Rakim, G Rap if you were King of NY because they were around?
*If Pun was on a track with BIG you’ll see more Pun votes. The best answer is taking a* 🥃 *RIP to Both* 🕊️
Pun deserves more love than what he was shown. Pun is one of thee BEST EVER but it seems like people don’t realize that fact. Biggie is my #1 rapper or all time but Pun was WAY better at rhyming than Biggie and it ain’t even close. I do think Biggie was the better songwriter tho. Even the people that hate Biggie know he had joints. Pun’s material just didn’t stick for whatever reason. Both of them were brilliant. Personally I’d have to take a shot.
DEFINITELY PUN LYRICALLY 🦍
PUN all day. In my opinion greatest to ever touch the mic. He was beyond most comprehension. Biggie was a great commercial rapper but PUN was raw.
Pun was a sharper lyricist but BIG had way more songs and was also one of the lyrical giants so I'd choose both
Big is S tier nice. Pun had the bananas wordplay. You rewind to understand pun.
Big pun
Biggie, Big Pun, Tupac, Big L, Eminem, Rakim Ice Cube my list
Pun 🙏🏽💯🤜🏼🤛🏼 he’s in the street as an Icon and as a Rapper
Big Pun 🇵🇷💯
Pun
As far as raw talent and ability, Pun wins hands down…but Big had such charisma, style, swagger, etc…Biggie had the bigger songs though…if Pun is aa 10, Biggie is a 9.999999…I’m more a fan of Pun’s style and lyricism…I’m in my 40s, grew up on both of these guys, and STILL catch myself rewinding Big Pun’s verses…which I’ve heard thousands of times
I don’t think I’ve ever seen them STOP someone from taking a shot! It just makes it that much more hilarious that it was to Kanye🤣☠️
Both were great but I’m going with Biggie.
They both had a great flow & were lyrical but biggie for me on the strength he had more better songs album wise and guests appearances but pun first album is a classic
They both only had 2 albums go back and listen why because biggie had more radio hits naw
@robertcordova9466 it's my opinion and biggie had better records to me it doesn't matter if they both only made 2 albums
Pun's first album is the best out of the 4 while his second album is the worst. That's my opinion. Capital Punishment really has it all.
I will always go for my cousin Big Pun.. And I will say that I love both him and Biggie because they both have amazing music!!
This question doesn't even need to exist. Notorious Big is on a higher level, easily. Just look at all the lists of best rappers, he's in the top ten.
Biggie was by far way more popular but lyrically they are neck and neck but I'll take pun twice on Tuesday
Big pun have a much beter rap flow for me pun
They would have loved each other 💯%
Ohhhhh yeah, But Biggie All day. Love the F outta Pun though
Pun planned on doing a song with Biggie, but Biggie passed away before that could happen.
@@James-pl5uc Gtfoh......Who'd you or where did you hear that from? Imagine
@@joshuas4695 The Source magazine did an interview with Big Pun in where he said he was planning to do a song him before he died.
@James-pl5uc Wow, That's the first time I'm ever hearing that.....Crazy.
Biggie for me by a landslide. Everything biggie was on was a straight classic
1979-2005:
1. Big Pun
2. Immortal Technique
3. Kid Frost
4. B-Real (Cypress Hill)
5. Fat Joe
6. Eminem
7. Cuban Link (Full-A-Clip)
8. Nas
9. Jay-Z
10. Kool G Rap
11. Rakim
12. Big L
13. KRS - One
14. 2pac
15. Notorious B.I.G
16. Prodigy (Mobb Deep)
17. Andre 3000 (OutKast)
18. Jadakiss (The Lox)
19. Noreaga & Capone (CNN)
20. Delinquent Habits
21. Prince Markie Dee
22. AZ
23. Psycho Les & JuJu (The Beanuts)
24. Joell Ortiz
25. Beanie Sigel
26. Chino XL
27. SPM
28. Black Thought
29. Guru (Gangstarr)
30. Inspector Deck, Raekwon, GFK (Wu-Tang)
31. L.L Cool J
32. Triple Seis (Terror Squad)
33. Charlie Hustle (Terror Squad)
34. DMX
35. Mos Def
36. Reverie
37. Remy MA
38. Prospect (Terror Squad)
39. Armageddon (Terror Squad)
40. Xzibit
41. 50 Cent
42. Pitbull
43. Ruby Dee
44. Mellow Man Ace
45. Residente
Biggie storytelling skills is crazy
They where both the best in my book those 2 gave me confidence when I was an overweight kid
I feel like the reality of it is that not many people really listen to pun they listen to more industry type of music and that’s what P. Diddy did for biggie so it’s like asking what’s your favorite brand of car as a millionaire no one’s gonna say the reliable Toyota/Lexus they’re going with the car that most people don’t have the Bentley or the ghost or something more extravagant because it’s more renowned and more industry favored
Pun Was Way More Lyrical Than Biggie. I Demand A Recount!!
No need to recount because they not judging by the same criteria as us.
Jus because niggas rhymin words together don’t mean it’s lyrical ~ I love Pun, but he had those scientific rhymes like Em & Big L , all the unnecessary rhymes get redundant ~ them “ Metaphorical historical tutorial” typa rhymes
Cap
Two 90's legends
Both were Monsters. But LAD over Capital Punishment for me.
No honest person can say biggie is better than Pun. They both great but pun was just on a whole other level lyrically. Makes me think they havent actually heard like any of Pun's music. He was just so much better.. i dont understand the difficulty in saying that
They have the same amount of albums too for the people that like to use that as a point on contention
Album wise I prefer Biggie
Battle or Cypher I got PUN
Al Harrington from the warriors we believe team met him in San Francisco wit his wife he was nice person congratulations to all of his success 🤙🙏
I love both of them ❤
Rest in peace to both 🕊
Honestly I think both was phenomenal artist, and both would of them would of had they’re own record l labels too both legendary 🙏
Big L vs Big Pun would have been harder
Pun! I think they have to say BIG
this
BIG was one of the BEST.. and Pun Pun “the name that makes the kids run” was one of my FAVORITES 👌🏾
If pun only had harder beats. He snatching crowns
Both are 🔥 but Big for me
Should’ve had a tie counter
I feel puns verses were light but with hard skills to emulate. But Big wordplays are bitten by rappers to this day. Elite
I feel like Onyx vs M.O.P would be a pretty good debate
I knew big was going to win this but suprise by how much...both were great MCS and had short careers but biggie certainly had a bigger impact and catolog
Greatest MC of all Times/G.O.A.T: Golden Era 1979-2005:
1. Big Pun
2. Immortal Technique
3. Kid Frost
4. B-Real (Cypress Hill)
5. Fat Joe
6. Eminem
7. Cuban Link (Full-A-Clip)
8. Nas
9. Jay-Z
10. Kool G Rap
11. Rakim
12. Big L
13. KRS - One
14. 2pac
15. Notorious B.I.G
16. Prodigy (Mobb Deep)
17. Andre 3000 (OutKast)
18. Jadakiss (The Lox)
19. Noreaga & Capone (CNN)
20. Delinquent Habits
21. Prince Markie Dee
22. AZ
23. Psycho Les & JuJu (The Beanuts)
24. Joell Ortiz
25. Beanie Sigel
26. Chino XL
27. SPM
28. Black Thought
29. Guru (Gangstarr)
30. Inspector Deck, Raekwon, GFK (Wu-Tang)
31. L.L Cool J
32. Triple Seis (Terror Squad)
33. Charlie Hustle (Terror Squad)
34. DMX
35. Mos Def
36. Reverie
37. Remy MA
38. Prospect (Terror Squad)
39. Armageddon (Terror Squad)
40. Xzibit
41. 50 Cent
42. Pitbull
43. Ruby Dee
44. Mellow Man Ace
45. Residente
I want everybody to understand Lyrically Big Pun is on God Tier but Biggie was not to far behind and he had that swag B.I.G over Pun.
There's a reason why diddy partied with this man for a whole year before making music with him
big was smooth with his rhymes and story telling. pun was a lyrical genius . in a battle pun would beat biggie but biggie would sell way more records then pun cause he's more pop . it just depends on your style and vibe .to this day that- dead in the middle of little Italy , little did we know we riddle 2 middleman who didn't do diddly- is one of the greatest rhyme schemes ever.big is known as a legend and pun is very underrated.
NOBODY has rapped better than Biggie
I feel like pun flow was crazy 🔥
Notorious big king
pen vs pen Pun would wash BIG, no debating.
Both! Both monster MC’s!!
Pun was a lyrical assassin☠️
Man they gone way too soon both legendary rappers with ultimate skills
3:46.. No hesitation. Pun. Every one wanted to say that, but their personal feelings got in the way. Sorry, love Biggie, but Biggie is no Big Pun. Even til thus day, no one is remotely close to the kind of Wizard Pun was behind the pen and pad. Real hip hop, real raps. No acting.
I can’t say one was “better” than the other. It’s like comparing Kane and Rakim. But I will say this there’s not a big pun beat where anyone could jump on it and say something harder or more clever. That’s a tough one for sure.
The guests got it right. ✅️