RANT- The Bachman Turner Overdrive Tour...is this BTO, The Guess Who, or Bachman Solo? WTF?!
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Attended this concert two days ago in Prior Lake, MN and had a blast! Randy Bachman at age 80 was sensational, great strong voice, very funny comedian and historian educating and entertaining at the same time. The combination of his greatest works as co-founder of The Guess Who and BTO was remarkable and memorable. Seeing him perform with his son after the loss of his two brothers was heartbreaking. Give this 80-year-old legend a break and enjoy the concert!
Could listen to you read your grocery list, Pete. This channel is such a comfort for me
I went to a concert a few weeks ago and it was great. Randy sounds and plays great still. Great concert.
I love BTO Not Fragile is one of my all time favorite albums. But if Fred isn’t there (man that voice) then it’s not BTO folks
I love song she's a Devil
I agree completely Pete. I love the Guess Who classics, but if it's BTO billed, I want to hear BTO songs.
He should have called it “The Randy Bachman Experience “. Not BTO, but sounds like it would be a good show none the less.
I just watched a concert from a few months ago of Bto here on utube. You were spot on with everything u said. If Randy Bachman wasn’t there I’d think it was a cover band. Thanks for saving me over a hundred dollars for a ticket!
I wouldn’t sweat it. I saw “BTO” heavy on the quotes back in 1985 and it was the same thing. Bachman Solo. FYI it was the loudest show I ever went to, even louder than Motörhead opening for Ozzy! I have been to probably 400 shows and I got my ears ripped. I am only 2 years older than you but at your current age I got tinnitus for life now. Do you want or need that? Ask Rick Beato. I blame mine on Randy Freakin Bachman.
Reminds me of that last Rainbow incarnation...1/2 Rainbow, 1/2 Deep Purple, and a strange back-up band...
Cheers.
I remember as a kid seeing an ad for CCR playing near me. I was excited till I found out John Fogerty wasn't in the band 😢
Agree completely. I know Fred is old and doesn't have it in him anymore but it would have been great to see at least those two guys together. But whose fault is that? I could have seen them over the years and never did. Would really love to see Burton Cummings with Randy again. That's the pairing that should do those Guess Who songs. 👍
Spot on commentary. Classic Rock in general is running on fumes.
BTO was the soundtrack of my highschool days, but this is false advertizing.
Tribute bands disguised as Foghat, Deep Purple, Foreigner are all we have left.
Chicago lucked out by finding singers that sounded like Peter Cetera
as did Journey when it found that karaoke singer in the Philippines.
In retrospect, the 2005 Cream Reunion was an absolute miracle.
Years ago, Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings did go out on the road as "Bachman-Cummings" and played BTO, The Guess Who, and solo tracks and it was terrific. A stack of talent! It was properly billed and the gentlemen put on a tremendous show. To your point, it was billed and delivered clearly unlike what BTO is delivering right now.
Thats close to 30 years ago.
I saw the Bachman-Cummings concert at the Molson Amphitheatre in Toronto in 2006. Before that, I saw the Guess Who at Copps Coliseum in Hamilton in 2000. Great shows.@@soylentgreendip
@@soylentgreendip 2022 was 30 years ago? Math.
The tour came through St. Louis a while back. I was initially intrigued but stayed away when there was so much uncertainty about who was in the band. What made it worse was the misleading notion put forward that Bachman Turner Overdrive was back together again.
I saw that show at the Family Arena, you didn't miss much. I liked the Grand Funk/Mark Farner band that opened much better.
Hey Pete I totally get it but at the end of the day how many more times are you going to get the chance to here takin care of business by the man himself and who knows there could be a few surprises we don’t know about so do yourself a solid and go rock out !!!!🤘
I'm in full agreement with you Pete! Where is Second Hand, Don't get Yourself InTrouble and more? I've been digging BTO since they started in 1973. I love The Guess Who music too. I'm in my mid sixties now and want Bachman Turner Overdrive show!
Two of the original members are dead. Fred Turner is 80 and retired from touring several years ago. At least you have Randy, who is still sounding great with a solid backing band.
From time to time, they switch the songs out. They have played "Don't Get Yourself In Trouble," but I see your point.
I've seen Bachman & Turner,Bachman/Cummings and Randy with his solo band.
Bachman & Turner had both the BTO singers,so it was a BTO heavy set list. Bachman -Cummings added Guess Who numbers and dropped CF Turner tunes. Bachman and his solo band was a a trip thru Randy's history,combining both BTO and Guess Who songs.. That sounds a lot like the path that this Bachman Turner Overdrive " reunion " is on. Randy's solo band already knows all the tunes,they just have to sort out who sings the songs that Randy doesn't..But....it's a BTO tour ?? That's a large " No way" for me.
The saddest thing is that The Guess Who is one of the few 60's rock bands which has all of its classic line-up members still alive (Bachman, Cummings, Kale, Peterson). Its a shame that they're not playing together anymore. They could've made much more money.
As a BTO fan I totally agree Pete. Gotta have CF Turner there at the least.
Seriously? Two original members are dead. Fred retired several years ago. Randy is 80 years old. Most of the BTO hits are sung by Randy anyway. It's not like you are paying a lot of cash for the show. Take it while u can get it.
@@soylentgreendip Seriously call it the Randy Bachman tour which is what it is and yes take what you can get.
If you go to the concert, Randy says he would do Guess Who since he was in the Guess Who also.
I am 56 years old now, Pete. And those old tunes from the radio when we were children I 've never heard live. I am in the Boston area and yeah, that show kicks ass! IMHO.
We are definitely goin! Even if its just Randy and son, loved em all my life, its gonna be the last I'll ever get to see him, he doesn't tour much and for him to come to Spokane in July is usually not likely, so we're gonna go and have some fun at least, a little disappointed a tad but going anyway! Aloha to you all, thanks for the video friend.🤙🖐💯😇
I saw both Bachman-Turner Overdrive and The Guess Who recently at the same venue in Waukegan, IL but on different dates (in late 2023). I thoroughly enjoyed both concerts, and so did the audience. Just go with an open mind and forget about anything negative and you will have a good time. Randy Bachman and Gary Peterson are getting old. You should check out both bands while you still can.
I have seen randy in the last year it was very good , shaken all over was the guess who’s first hit in Canada
Completely understand your point here, Pete. I remember on the Guess Who's Running Back Thru Canada reunion tour in 2000/01, Burton and Randy were the drivers of that lineup, and they included Let It Ride in the set list. That was cool, as BTO was essentially shuttered, and it was a great nod to Randy's years after he (acrimoniously) split from the GW. This, though, is something else. While those GW songs are all from Randy's time in the band, it would have been better to limit that to just a couple tracks. I would assume Tal would sing lead vocals on the GW cuts (and his own hit, which is really cool), but just like the current GW cover band, he can't sing like Burton. Regardless, it will be a great show/tour. I wonder if Burton's prepping of a solo album plus his own current cross-Canada tour made a Bachman/Cummings tour impossible?
This is reminiscent of Tim Bachman touring as BTO back in the 90's
You should still go to the show Pete. This probably will be your last chance to see Randy live and this could be one of the shows that Fred makes an appearance.
Pete I agree, what a let down.
Hi Pete. I don't know about you but at todays prices to see shows I would pass unless I was gifted the tickets. The guess who did "shaking all over" before Cummings joined the band so it was Backman's first hit single.
I remember seeing The Guess Who back in '85 I believe it was and the bass player Jim Kale was the only original member. I guess they were only considered a cover band but carried the same name. Oh well, the ticket was free and they were good. They opened for Steppenwolf aka John Kay
I think that Randy should have just gone out under his own name instead of BTO for this. Other than that, it sounds like a good setlist.
Calling it BTO is a little misleading but due to Randy's age he probably won't be doing this touring much longer. He's just playing his catalog of popular songs. I think you should forget that it is billed as BTO and still go and see Randy!
Exactly there's nothing worse than saying "damn I should have went"
Randy Bachman 1970 first solo album "Axe" worth checking out!!
I saw his tour in Kitchener ON probably 5 yrs or so ago, sounds like the same line up as you listed Pete. He did a ton of George Harrison covers as he had a project reinterpreting Harrison and Beatles songs, also a chronological setlist going from Guess Who through BTO, and he told stories in between songs. At least we knew this ahead of time, and seats were dead center 2nd row so I was literally a few feet away. Good show, but he was mid 70s then so I think he and Fred are pushing 80 by now. Going out as BTO though you aren't at all wrong to be disappointed - I think he loves his cover tunes though, we also saw him at a festival in Hamilton ON with another Canadian act the Sadies and he did a killer 10 minute cover of Neil Young's Like A Hurricane. Given his age I guess we can still appreciate him playing live, still sounds great too! But not as BTO for sure.
What I find hilarious is Burton Cummings & Randy Bachman are suing Jim Kale (rights of The Guess Who name who is not touring) & Garry Peterson for using The Guess Who even though Peterson is tour with a band that recorded two studio albums as The Guess Who. 2018 album does sound like a Guess Who album but their 2023 album doesn't even sound like a Guess Who album. They're called a cover band.
While Randy Bachman is touring with a band that is called BTO (Bachman Turner Overdrive). With *ZERO MEMBERS* (except for Randy) from BTO. CF Turner is not touring & Randy Backman is sitting. Both are due to health. Just like Guess Who. BTO is a cover band.
In the end, what's in a name? Randy wrote these tunes BTO abd Guess Who. If you agree or not he can call himself whatever he wants.
Like you, I am a bit let down by the play list. This could be good but I want BTO songs!
Agreed. Billing aside it's worth the $120 I paid for two tix for Randy alone. His catalog of songs he wrote is amazing. Love listening to him play guitar. He sang the songs he sang lead on. He's a humble and great story teller. It was a fun time. Wanted the chance to see him live.
I've seen this show twice in the last 7 or so years. It is great.
The song "Blue Mornin'" (from 1974 "Not Fragile") is a great album track!! Also "She's A Devil" (from 1975 "Four Wheel Drive")!!
Actually, it's called Blue Moanin'.
Shakin all Over was a cover also done by the Guess Who so it’s really like 7 Guess Who songs
Pete. / your dead on. WELLMONT theater March 7. Thursday. Was there in 2019 to. See. Zak/. Black label. Maybe 4 miles from my home. Thx for your rant/ I liked it 👍💯
*. Montclair NJ
Standard ticket $49.50
Have to agree with you Pete. It doesn’t sound right for a band tagged as BTO to be doing so many Guess Who songs.
Sounds like he is using the name to add a few more people to the venues. Similar to what Ian Anderson did, bringing back the Tull name to sell a few more records.
I was thinking same thing when I was about to purchase tix for the Bergen Pac show in NJ. I bought tix for the Extreme and Saxon shows instead.
I saw BTO in 1985 I think warming up for Van Hagar. Was awesome:)
I saw that tour in 86. They were great but Van Hagar sucked. Sammy really thought he was the 💩. He ruined VH. JERK!
I saw them headlining after the original BTO reformed with original member Tim Bachman rejoining the band and Rob Bachman sitting out in the mid 1980's at Wonderland in Toronto. Then saw them opening for Van Halen on that tour as well,a couple years later.
Its all about selling tickets and having the BTO logo on the posters will do that but it IS totally misleading. Integrity seems to go out the window with a lot of these aging rockers also the bands with one or sometimes no original members goin out under the moniker of the classic band name . People say" I've seen BTO,FOREIGNER "ECT BUT HAVE YE REALLY ?
Long story short. I am in agreement with you Pete on this. Little miffed that Fred won't be there for a lot of the dates at least initially. I've already seen Randy about 7 or 8 years ago on his solo play/ talk career retrospective tour with Pete Ferdette on bass. Which was really interesting and great to see . But this time I wanted BTO. Since it's been about 39 yrs ago since I saw them last.
Fred is 80 and had a hard time getting around at the end of the Bachman and Turner tour in 2019. He's retired and spends the winter down in Florida.
They had a good ride and left us some great music.
Turner is in the name of BTO. We need CF Turner to sing those songs. And yes, why do Guess Who songs? So many other BTO songs that could be done.
I saw BTO in a club in Texas in 1984 with Fred, Tim, Randy and Garry Peterson. They were doing the Fred songs you mentioned of course, but the set list was not that different then. Where Randy goes, Randy's songs follow, from throughout his career.
Same set I've seen Randy and his solo band do for years, very disappointing. Last time I saw them, they were all sitting down on bar stools - not very rock and roll. I saw the much better Bachman & Turner reunion about ten years ago and that was a stellar show!!
What you want and what you get are becoming further and further apart. That being said, this may have been Randy's only course of action to secure bookings in the US. As long as people have the resources to use to see the touring band, and past setlists, at least you can go into the show knowing what to expect, and not be completely blindsided. It may not be BTO, but I'm sure the band will be on their A-game, as this could be Randy's last hoorah before leaving the road behind. At least they won't be avatars!!
Love that Styx sweatshirt. Looks awesome!
Hope we can get you up to 100,000 subscribers,Pete. 👍
Classic Bands are a Blessing and Curse for us fans and followers. It all comes down to our expectations of these Aging Rockers. For me, transiting to bands still putting out new music is a must to satisfy something new, but I still like to see a classic band occasionally to bring back just a little youthful feeling like I'm still 20 something. Blessing and Curse! Glad you did this, cause I can definitely relate!
Or call it what it is . A BRAND doing a money grab . Playing the most well known songs/ hits/ melodies . They are getting older and the raging fire is now a smoldering ember .
Randy should call this , the 'I need Money again Tour '
No Fred Turner with Randy, no BTO in my opinion, and of the course the other Bachman brothers are no longer here. So, I guess no court cases anymore. First band I got into in 1974.
Randy owns the BTO rights now. He obtained them shortly after Robbie passed.
Overall love the Setlist. Saw this band do this stuff. The Burton Cummings songs are sung by one of his bandmates and he sounds a lot like Burton. You'll have a great time. And let's remember Randy Bachman is 80 years old. At the moment he is sounding excellent vocally and guitar wise. Not going to get a lot more chances of seeing this legend (how the fuck he is not in the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame is criminal) in concert and at a reasonable price. You wanna see Randy, Burton and Fred Turner all together... good luck, not happening ever again.
I have my doubts that ANYONE sounds a lot like Burton Cummings, who has a unique voice.
Plus no CF Turner! NO ONE sounds like Fred! No thanks!
I didn't say he sounded exactly like Burton but he has a good voice and when singing the Burton songs at the concerts it is close and well performed. RUclips the damn thing. @@davidschecter5247
Yea I agree with you Pete, this is disappointing. I actually like the set list (minus the medley) if it were a Randy Bachman Show.
You need Fred Turner for it to be Bachman Turner Overdrive.
That is kind of strange and I would probably stay away too. So many original songs sacrificed in order to play others is bizarre. Well, i guess we wont have a review of show video coming from you regarding this one Pete. Save your time for something else.
If it helps Pete they were the very first band I saw (ok second, after the support!) in early 1975. It was all overwhelming to me (ears ringing 3 days afterwards) but on reflection at the end of the euphoria, they were blown away by the support band who I would definately have seen (and did) again.
Thin Lizzy as you ask...!
In the UK, forgot to say...
Love your reviews. Mostly agree , not always but that’s ok too.
I get what you're saying Pete. When you first started to explain it & read the setlist, I was thinking, well if he went out as Randy Bachman & his band playing all his hits, that not a bad setlist there. But then you said, I want to hear Burton Cummings sing the Guess Who songs. I was like, oh yeah, it's definitely not be as good hearing those songs. I've seen Randy in BTO & as part of Ringo's All Starr Band. And American Women wasn't bad. But he also did No Sugar & that definitely felt a little off without Burton.
BTO is coming to my town. I'm passing. Some shows are just an hour long. Some might be an hour & half long. You'll never know what you'll going to get.
Bachman is 80, so of course the time will vary. I completely get it.
I totally agree it should be called Randy Bachman not BTO I’d still go just to hear the hits still be a good show imo
I understand what you're saying Pete, it definitely is false advertising, but if you have nothing else going on for that night maybe you should check it out, it might surprise you and be a great show. You may never get the opportunity to hear these great songs again live...there may not be something else, it's not that far away, go support Randy, maybe Fred will appear that show who knows
I saw them at a little club here down in HOUSTON in 1984 it was so awesome they playedall theyre greatest songs
Bands, managers, and promoters greatly underestimate the artists' notoriety and the knowledge and technical skills of the fans.
If we don't already know who Randy Bachman is, then we can find out within a matter of seconds. Rather than promoting themselves as some band which essentially no long exists, why not simply just promote the genres of music which they plan to play?
"RANDY BACHMAN
The legendary 60s and 70s Rocker plays his most iconic songs.
That would pretty much do it. If you love the artist, then you'll buy a ticket. If you don't know the artist, but you like the genre, then you'll look him up, and you'll buy a ticket.
There's no need to attempt to bullshit or fool the fans into thinking that the old band, which they once knew, will be appearing in concert. As Pete pointed out, we can now access set lists and line-up information and history. We can even watch bootleg fan videos from the current tours.
The old deceptive tour promotion tactics are very outdated, and they need to just stop it. They're only fooling a handful of people at each show, and who knows how many people they're pissing off in the process.
Did you say that BTO has a cover of "Stonehenge"? That would be amazing!
Stonegates, from BTO 2 .
2014 Bachman Turner released an album. A good one at that. They toured as just Bachman Turner could not use the name BTO. The other guy owned the rights. So, I read. They toured and I saw them open for Alice Cooper in Grand Rapids Mi. It was outside so it was warm. Thought it was in a parking lot. They did songs off the album. BTO songs probably. So long ago hell I don't remember. What I do remember they sounded great. Thought they sounded better than The Coop. I love Halo Of Fly's but it sounded strange. Like real strange. I am a guitarist, so I notice things like that. They weren't just tuned down to D Flat. It was D. I didn't like it.
To be fair, Randy has as much a claim to those Guess Who songs as anyone: they're all from his era in the band, and he wrote or co-wrote most if not all of them. I've also got no problem with Tal doing his song. It was a bona fide hit, after all. But yes, billing the whole thing as BTO is dubious to say the least.
I went. I enjoyed it. It was a rockn show 4 sure
Great commentary- actually great setlist but this is really a Randy Bachman solo tour. But as you said, he wouldn't be able to draw as compared to going out as BTO. This is just false advertising. I won't go. I'm sure it's a very enjoyable show, but should be Randy Bachman solo tour.
From what I understand many bands are touring with 1, 2, or I think none of the original members. Could you imagine Ringo going on tour as the Beatles? Most would laugh at that but it seems other bands do this. Note: this is what I have been hearing on youtube music channels. I don't get to many concerts, live in middle of nowhere, so no actual experience with this.
Fred Turner reportedly "playing select dates", with Randy B running the show...I wonder exactly what they're touring? Isn't the last new 'product' Randy's 2018 album By George By Bachman (which for me contained one good track & that was a Beatles cover) - Except for last year's "NEW" Guess Who album Plein D’Amour (pretty good rock album but NOT GW)? Bachman isn't in the current GW lineup (WIKI calles them a "cover band") so I can't imagine he'd play any of their newer/original stuff, so we're back to (maybe) covering some older GW hits.
So it's an oldies/revival show? Then I read this (from 2023): "Joining Bachman in this revival of BTO is his son, Tal Bachman. Also tapped for the revival are Mick Dalla-Vee, Marc Lafrance and Brent Knudsen. Randy, Fred, and Tal are already writing and recording new songs and planning tours around the world. A BTO concert movie (filmed in 1976) is slated for release 2024, as is a double live album recorded that same year at Tokyo’s Budokan Arena.” So some new writing happening but no 'new' album (besides the '76 live recordings) - really sounds like a BTO nostalgia deal...
Last year's touring was very limited & looks like the announced 2024 dates are too - something like 9 total dates. If I were still a concert-goer (I'm not) I think I'd pass...Since this episode is labeled as a 'Rant' I'm guessing Pete's not gonna do a favorable review here either...
I found it odd that this tour was announced so soon after two Bachmans passed away....
Randy's brother Robbie had the rights to the name Bachman Turner Overdrive. When Robbie died last year, the name rights reverted back to Randy, and he was anxious to tour under that name.
@@tonystephens6858 Thanks for the info - I expected as much. Nothing more than a cash in, not unlike the current Guess Who!!
@2003Cpayne yeah, the reason Randy and Burton Cummings are suing the current Guess Who is because they're using the original Guess Who recordings which contain Randy and Burton in their radio ads for upcoming shows. Randy says that's misleading to the public.
Kinda like going out as Bachman Turner Overdrive and not having Turner in the lineup.
@@tonystephens6858 True, except Randy wrote these GW and BTO songs.
@williamcarter8953 Then he should call it The Randy Bachman Tour. Going out as Bachman Turner Overdrive and playing 50% Guess Who songs and a 70s compilation song is misleading. Especially when Fred Turner is nowhere to be seen or heard from.
I've seen different incarnations of Bachman Turner Overdrive over the years, and they never played any Guess Who songs in their set lists.
If i am paying to see BTO, i expect them to perform BTO songs.
It seems a bit misleading and personally i would give it a miss.
Since I saw this Pete I’m not going.
At least the one original member was a significant one; Randy Bachman. In 1980 I saw a version of Deep Purple with Rod Evans singing and the rest was a pick up band. He was an original member but the audience was very disappointed.
I saw BTO a long time ago open for Van Halen on the 5150 tour. It had Bachman and Turner.
No Turner, No BTO
If you saw the Randy Bachman solo tour from a few years ago where he said he was going over his career, it sounds like the same thing, minus the medley.
Pete, doesn't sound unreasonable to me to skip this based on how it is being promoted. For me, those Guess Who tunes require Burton Cummings somewhere if not right up front on the vocals. But don't decide during the rant. Give it a thought or two more with a beer and then decide. Good luck!
I understand this rant. I love BTO and Guess Who. But when I want to see BTO - I am there to see BTO. By the way, I want a Styx hoodie like Pete's. Awesome!
Seen BTO in Toronto 1976
Pete it looks like a Pay Day, FALSE. ADVERTISING I haven't heard anything yet It's something I can forget.😂
This sounds like a pissing march with Randy Bachman and the Guess who.
You sure as hell should not call yourself Bachman Turner Overdrive without the stage presence of Mr Charles Fredrick Turner.
Agree
"Shakin' All Over" was the first Guess Who single. Randy sang it in Bachman-Turner: ruclips.net/video/8H4-43nEXg0/видео.html
Saw the Bachman and Turner show in the UK back in 2010 and it was great, all BTO stuff, with just a snippet of American Woman (with Fred singing). Randy and Burton DID tour together recently (my other half booked me flights and tickets to see them in Toronto for my 40th - but that was in 2020 and the rescheduled dates didn't work, so still never seen Burton) but think that's run it's course again (they can keep friendly if they don't see too much of each other I suppose?!). Not that they'd come here but ZERO interest in the fake Guess Who and this BTO 'lineup'.
Save your money. I am happy I saw The Guess Who in 2000 with Joe Cocker opening. Randy and Burton were great. A great mix of BTO and TGW.
Joe was better, coming back out for FOUR encores.
BTO = Bachman Turner Overplayed. Canadian Radio leans too heavily on their biggest hits to fill their hourly Canadian content requirements. And I would be happy to never hear that one Tal Bachman song ever again.
There should be a Bachman, Turner, and Cummings tour celebrating a joint 50th / 60th anniversary, even as a one night only.
Hey, at least he's not doing the complete THICK AS A BRICK. Randy should call the show "Bachman Overkill."
Talk Bachman is a great talent himself.
*Tal
There seems to be a lot of this sort of thing lately. One member of the classic line-up and a bunch of other guys go out on tour. I can't decide If this is just wishful thinking by the band or a slight rip-off.
Yes I would be very disapointed as well its a solo thing not bto
Go see Burton Cummings.
No Fred Turner no BTO
Sounds a bit like current Steely Dan, i.e. the Donald Fagen Band.
Nit picking this tour it seems geez. Sounds awesome to me best of both worlds. Nobody wants to hear deep cuts of BTO. Imo
Yes, lots of people do.
I would be chagrined , if this too strong of word?, also.