Sometimes, particularly during the worse moments of your life, you need to remember that you are not done yet, there is people counting on you, and you cant let them down.
Eduardo Rivera Damn fucking straight Battle Brother, despair is the greatest weapon of the enemy that blinds one to those who matter most as well as the progress towards a better life.
Just imagine how much it took to send a Space Marine into despair and almost break them- learning that the leader you look up to is actually a traitor; that your entire career for the past several centuries, all the things you've done and the hardships you've endured in the name of righteousness, was all ordered by a traitor and all of it meant nothing. But Tarkus was there to bring him back from the brink.
Actually he's not, in fact he's a vet sergeant which means he has been in all three roles at one point in his life (he even has Terminator honours). Also Tarkus.....damn he might edge out Angelos as my fav Space Marine in the 40k fluff. He is the epitome of what a Space Marine should be.
A Scout, when he's finished his scout training, goes into a Devastator squad, first as an assistant, then as a proper heavy gunner. Then he joins the Assault squads and learns to take the enemy in close combat. Only then is an Assault marine allowed to join the ranks of the Tactical squads. Tarkus has done it all, as has everyone in the tactical squads.
Jetman123 Unless you are Blood Angel, cause only veteran to be a Devastator (as BA with BR and a heavy bolter might be something you want to avoid at all cst).
@bugbait1 Boreale: BATTLE BROTHERS WE ARE IN SPESS! Diomedies: Captain Boreale? You survived Kaurava? Boreale: YES BROTHERS, I ESCAPED USING AN IMPERIAL GUARTD VALKERIE AND FLEW TO THE- *Sniper shot shoots through boreale's head, instakilling him* Cyrus: There is no way I am going through another game with that Dumbass.
He would have, I think. He was not properly corrupted, e.g. posessed by a demon. He just saw the reality of the universe and that broke him. If he'd be able to see that Tarkus stands tall still, he would probably rethink of what he said in his last moments. I feel sorry for him, even though he was the biggest asshole ever.
Can you imagine the irony that so many years later writers of DoW III made DIOMEDES a chaplain instead of a guy who literally retrieved him from despair and set back onto the right path? Heresy.
@@T1Slamnah that actually better for him In his service as the captain of the honor guard serving directly to Kyras and knowing that all that he’s done what not in the name of the greater good, but everything he does was just another scheme played by Kyras Apothecary Galan who was corrupted tells us that Diomedes is too prideful and arrogant to even realize what he’s done It took a decade for Diomedes to realize that he just another pawn for Kyras after Kyras revealed that he’s indeed corrupted and told Diomedes himself that all he’s been told to do was for his own gain This shock him and make him aware for what he has done all this time, the same thing that makes Avitus(if you choose him to be the traitor) realize the reality of the chapter and his own existence It took Tarkus to convince him that there still time to redeem himself, show him that he can still do good and free the chapter from corruption to a new age of glory Later he realize this and see that Gabriel is more befitting to be the chapter master and step down from his position from the captain of the honor guard to a chaplain to guard the chapter honor and dignity and prevent it from corruption ever again
@@paples2835 I could agree that there is definitely a rhyme in making Dio stand on guard of chapter's purity after his experiences of balancing on the edge of heresy, but he's just not the psychological type to be in charge of ideological organization: For blib sake he failed to see rampart corruption around him because he doesn't think or reflect, he acts on orders and duty - it would make more sense to put him in charge of zealous redemption or penance crusade, because he is best in the battlefield, not the praying room.
Yup. Avitus was the only other squadmate besides Thule who was confirmed to have served on Kronus, and Thule mechanically not be a traitor. He doesn't even have a corruption meter, and if yours gets too high, he ABANDONS your ass. The only other possible traitor not seen in Retribution is Thaddeus, who was explicitly not on Kronus. Martellus, Tarkus and Cyrus are all playable, and Jonah is with Angelos. As for Hairgel and Thaddeus, I believe it's stated somewhere that they end up in the neutral ending of a Crusade of Absolution into the Eye of Terror.
No, Hairgel (common nickname for the Commander/Avatar) is not a possible traitor in the context we talk about with Avitus being the canon one. However, in the various endings after the Chaos Rising campaign is over, various things do happen to him. In a full purity ending with a convinced Diomedes, the Commander becomes Captain of the 4th Company. In the corruption endings, the Commander is either executed by Angelos, or turns traitor himself and joins the Black Legion. The neutral ending, however, with medium-to-high corruption, is the Crusade of Absolution that I mentioned above.
So ... why is Tarkus not a Chaplain by now? By that speech and how it took Diomedes out of his despair, I think Tarkus should have more than qualified for chaplaincy.
Tactical Marines and Sergeant especially, are the ones from which the Chaptrer chooses its Captains and they are also the ones that must inspire their people.
+BountyFlamor THQ was bankrupt after the release of Space Marine. However, if the company had still managed to continue to operate, there would be the main character as Gabriel Angelos, and having much other subordinates promoted to a higher rank. However, another interesting aspect would be some Eldar allies which would occur, since they happened at the original Dawn of War
This is just a theory: Avitus was the Traitor, so Tarkus slew him The Commander and Thaddeus were both given the Neutral ending, so they're away redeeming themselves Davian Thule is still alive and serves as Gabriel's second-in-command
It is not a theory that Avitus is the canon betrayer. Everything in this dialogue and what was mentioned in previous games points to Avitus being the betrayer. Since Tarkus, Cyrus, Jonah Orion, and Martellus all appear in Retribution, they CANNOT be the betrayers. That leaves Aramus (the Force Commander), Thaddeus, and Avitus as the only options remaining. From the dialogue in the video, Avitus mentions another person that he served alongside on Kronus and with whom he became fast friends during the Tyranid Invasion. That immediately cuts out Thaddeus, since Thaddeus did not serve on Kronus as Thaddeus repeatedly in previous games asks about the Kronus Campaign. It is not known if Aramus served on Kronus, but it seems as though he only first met the others during the events of DOW2. It is known that Avitus did serve on Kronus and they were certainly friends. It thoroughly pained Tarkus to have to kill Avitus.
I think Thule is killed by Eliphas and Aramus by Kyras. No idea what happened to Thadeus. Pretty sure the old FC is dead though, there is a flavor text in Retribution in one of the weapons (a Warhammer) that sais it.
@@manolgeorgiev9664 Thadeus and Aramus are on a penitant crusade, they're alive. Thule is killed by Eliphas (possibly, the space marine ending in retribution is very canon, its arguable if anything that happens in the chaos campaign is canon since in that, gabriel and Orion are dead by the end) in the chaos campaign.
@@Marineisme Yes, but in DOW3 Ronnah got the Souls Stone of Taldeer, so the cannon could be a combination of several campaigns, like Eliphas could've killed Thule before Diomedes and the gang killed him and such. Hard to say, it is a shame we didn't get a clearer situation for all the chapter... and you know, a better game.
I played retribution first so this went completely over my head. Dawn of war has a much more complex and in depth plot than I thought would come from a warhammer title.
5 Years old but the Karuva campaign is a reference to Dawn of War: Dark Crusade which is canonically a Blood Ravens victory. And then Dawn of War 2 and it's expansion, Chaos Rising where if done "Correctly" i guess? Avitus is the traitor which is the "Canon" ending. In my first play through it was actually the tech marine, which is apparently the "Everyone is super devoted but we still have this scripted betrayal so one of two NPCs" ending. But Canonically as you see here it was Avitus. There is no Avitus in Dawn of War 1.
@@DwarfyDoodad late reply, but Kaurava was Soulstorm and it's a complete BR loss, Cyrus references it in DoW2. Kronus on the other hand was a victory, as we can also see Davian Thule
When Diomedes speaks, you can imagine that being Avitus' internal monologue just as he spilled over into turning to Chaos... lucky Tarkus was there this time.
"There was another like you, Diomedes, and we served together on Kronos. During the Tyranid invasion we became first friends, but Kyrus called for him and he went. It corrupted him, and he despaired, betraying us to the Black Legion. I slew him. Diomedes; I turn to you know and see the same signs in you. I will not risk that. I will slay Kyrus myself, and if I must, you as well. Our past glories may be lies, but Kyrus has not taken our one, true duty from us. No one but the Emperor can relieve us of that." - Veteran SGt Tarkus
Zelousmarineinspace i don't believe the FC is. I would like to see him as well as Sergeant Thaddeus. However, there are hints from dialogue between the remaining Space Marines that the two had departed on a crusade of penance matching a "Slightly Corrupted" ending in Chaos Rising.
Seeing Tarkus speak here is one of the things that makes me think the Blood Ravens campaign was designed first. Really good see here, and I also find it amusing when you consider that it's generally Cryus that doesn't think twice before back talking his superiors, but here Tarkus is flat out threatening to kill Apollo if he doesn't pull himself together, and thankfully Apollo does pull himself together.
Diomedes...The Ancient was I *The helmet explodes* Rogal Dorn or Diomedes, I... *The helmet explodes* CATO SICARIUS, IS THE ANCIENT, BECAUSE I, CATO SICARIUS OF THE 2nd COMPANY, IS THE MOST WORTHY TO BECOME THE NEW CHAPTER MASTER, BECAUSE I, CATO SICARIUS, WILL KICK THE ASS OF AZARIAH KYRAS
Diomedes, I am....... **Helmet Explodes** KAPTAIN BLUDDFLAG, YA FILTHY HUMMIE GITS! IT WAS HARD ENUF TRYING TO SPEAKZ LIKE ONE OF YOUS SO I HADS TO STAY ALL QUIET-LIKE. NOW THAT WE IN DIS HERE SPACE HULK, I BETTERS GO NOW. THANKS FOR THE RIDE, YA GITS!!
For those who are a bit slow : Tarkus is talking about Avitus, from the previous DoW games you can hear from the dialouge that they've become good friends on mentiond planet. - Wich means that Avitus turning to Chaos is canon, unfortunatley. I did love his reckless abbandon.
@@krzysiekkasprzyk4560 Chaplins rank below captains, unless he was a reclusiarch (senior Chaplin) then he would have been on a similar rank, but it’s probably around a similar level of authority
@ReconTeam111 In Chaos Rising, the neutral ending of the campaign (where you get quite corrupted) has the Commander being exiled to the Eye of Terror. Seeing as Avitus was corrupted, the canon Commander certainly wasn't pure, so odds are that ending is canon.
Imagine if that ancient had been Captain Hair-gel. His actions were completely hair-etical. I love this scene. In some ways it would've been nice to have a corruption level in Retribution because at this moment Diomedes had all but given up hope; so depending on how badly corrupted you are; you could've maybe opted to not listen to Tarkus & maybe only cared about your own survival than the chapter itself as some renegade space marines do become brigands or pirates which could be interesting as even if corrupted I doubt Diomedes would want anything to do with Kyras; he might still oppose him but not for the sake of the shattered chapter. A bit of choice could've been fun for this but ah well; still great nonetheless :)
While content published by the Black Library is supposed to be canon, in the 40k universe, canon doesn't always mean "true". So, the books and the games could both be considered "canon", but which version of events is true is completely up for interpretation. Personally, I'd prefer the events that don't directly contradict the lore and make no sense.
@ReconTeam111 Additional evidence for this is in the hammer Diomedes receives, which states the the 'Nameless' previous wielder went 'berzerk' after Kyras declared him a renegade, which I think is Kyras's interpretation of the Commander's absence from the sub-sector, since he couldn't possibly know of the Commander's exile, since Angelos was the one who ordered it.
The only thing that bothered me about this scene: HE DROPPED AND LEFT HIS HELMET THERE! I liked how I finally had a smart marine under my command who actually wore his damn helmet! And then he did that -_-
@MrBuda200 Dawn of war wiki, theres a few though. There's a Dawn of war 2 novel which gives the Force commander the name Aramus, but if i remember right its the end of Chaos Rising where Gabriel sends the Force Commander to Meridian. Seeing as Thaddeus is also missing he is probably with him. Also in the novel it says they were both recruited roughly the same time on meridian even though the game says Thaddeus is the only one in years.
That story really wasn’t told well Avitus could be the traitor, but he should have just been a rebel, him joining the Black Legion made no fucking sense.
@WyczesanyBober In the Blood Ravens Campaign the weapon you get as a reward for the 2nd to last mission is the Thunder Hammer of the unnamed Force Commander. There is no other mention of him in game.
It fits so well as Kyras ended up a full blown Khorne follower. Avitus reflected those teachings though his doubt found him wanting. Let the galaxy burn indeed.
@Strawngbad Well it cant be Davian, cos as a Dreadnaught he cant get corrupted, Jonah is shown in every campaign in Retribution fighting alongside Gabriel Angelos, Tarkus, Cyrus and Martellus are right here, your Force Commander cant become the traitor, and from what Tarkus has said here, our traitor fought on Kronus with him aswell as during the Tyranid invasion. During conversations within DoW2, it is said that Avitus and Tarkus fought together on Kronus. It has to be Avitus.
According to Tarkus the traitor is someone he serve together in Kronus and become fast friends during the Tyranid Invasion... This leave Thadeus out as he wasnt at Kronus so which only leave to Avitus and Force Commander. Since he mention serve together which mean that they both are relatively same ranking which make Avitus most likely the offical traitor.. But it can be presume that the Force Commander could be a tactical marine in Kronus but got promoted later...
@UNSCJohn117 yep, in a thunder hammer's (which i dont know how's called) background the story of the FC is explained "once a great commander that fought in 2 Aurelian crusades ( both dawn of war 2 games ) but he let a brother fell into chaos and is sent to the eye of terror to battle for 100 years (the "medium" ending in chaos rising)" and for Avitus, well he and Tarkus were the only marines present on Kronus (besides of Davian Thule of course) leaving Avitus being the traitor.
also as I stated...the games storyline actually changed depending on how you play them, so one straight storyline from the book is non canon while 10 different storylines that flow parallel to each other and contradict one another are canon?
i realize the answer is probably in one of the comments, but there are so many comments so ill just ask, does anyone know what happened to the force commander canonically?
@stickks9875 i think it was multiple endings combined together minus a few dramatic ones that cant tie together. I think the Blood ravens, Ork, IG, and MAYBE eldar endings all happened but the blood ravens were the ones to overcome kyras.
@WyczesanyBober But the only direct mention of him is that hammer, and it seems to state that noone is sure what happened to him. There is the ending in Chaos Rising that you simply leave with Angelos' 3rd Company and are branded as renegades by Kyras, and that happens if you attack Diomedes without killing Galan on Calderis.
@coreqek or to serve under the honor gurad. Which reminds me Cyrus can serve the 10th comany and train initiates to become hardcore like him. Martellus can become the head of the tech priest in blood raven Diomedes can be the force commander of strike team Aramus can become the 4th captain of Blood Ravens defending the recruiting world And Thaddeus can become a sergeant serving under Aramus to help recruit the Blood Raven space marines
@Guudni it isn't thaddeus, think about it, the only other seargant that served with Tarkus on Kronus was Avitus, if Avitus betrayes you in chaos rising he says how after the battle of Kronus he was approached by Kyras who ordered him to provide aid and information to Eliphas. Thus because of this and how it is said in this cutscene it is clear that Avitus is the offical traitor
@darkpyro75 The FC became the new Chaos Lord or got corrupted by Kyras and now serves the Honor Guard, I'm not sure. Avitus is the betrayer, he's the one Tarkus mentions. Thaddeus' fate is unknown, he's most likely also a betrayer and joined the Chaos Army as a new Chaos Champion. Cyrus and Tarkus serve Diomedes. Thule still serves in the Chapter, though he is killed by Eliphas in the Chaos Campaign. That indicates he's still alive
Same. I say Avitus, along with Cyrus, are the two sergeants with the most raw power in the 4th company. I mean constant heavy bolter fire with off map artillery as an energy ability? Like holy hell.
wait i havent plaied retribution whit blood ravens but when i plaied throu chaos rising once i woas betraied by martelus but who is the traitor acording to retribution. ps sorry for any misspels
@delta3030 well, as far as I know the FC (now the Nameless) was sent to fight in the eye of terror for 100 years to redeem himself for his failures ( letting Avitus betray the chapter), Thule appears in Retribution but only in the chaos campaign and Thaddeus, well he is never mentioned but he probably is with the FC.
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Sometimes, particularly during the worse moments of your life, you need to remember that you are not done yet, there is people counting on you, and you cant let them down.
Well said.
Thanks brother, I needed to hear that today
Eduardo Rivera Damn fucking straight Battle Brother, despair is the greatest weapon of the enemy that blinds one to those who matter most as well as the progress towards a better life.
It also helps to have a guy threatening you with a meltagun.
And they will kill you if you stray from the path. That's good motivation.
Rarely has the title "battle-brother" seemed more fitting.
Just imagine how much it took to send a Space Marine into despair and almost break them- learning that the leader you look up to is actually a traitor; that your entire career for the past several centuries, all the things you've done and the hardships you've endured in the name of righteousness, was all ordered by a traitor and all of it meant nothing. But Tarkus was there to bring him back from the brink.
Tarkus proved that it wasn't or inspired him to see it as such
He inspired him so hard, Diomedes became a Chaplain haha
Tarkus, the first ever "Tactical Devastator Assault Terminator Space Marine" in HISTORY.
Actually he's not, in fact he's a vet sergeant which means he has been in all three roles at one point in his life (he even has Terminator honours).
Also Tarkus.....damn he might edge out Angelos as my fav Space Marine in the 40k fluff. He is the epitome of what a Space Marine should be.
RatchildUK A space marine's space marine.
A Scout, when he's finished his scout training, goes into a Devastator squad, first as an assistant, then as a proper heavy gunner. Then he joins the Assault squads and learns to take the enemy in close combat. Only then is an Assault marine allowed to join the ranks of the Tactical squads. Tarkus has done it all, as has everyone in the tactical squads.
Jetman123 Unless you are Blood Angel, cause only veteran to be a Devastator (as BA with BR and a heavy bolter might be something you want to avoid at all cst).
Captain Ferox
Of course. Individual chapters change things up a bit, as always.
@bugbait1 Boreale: BATTLE BROTHERS WE ARE IN SPESS!
Diomedies: Captain Boreale? You survived Kaurava?
Boreale: YES BROTHERS, I ESCAPED USING AN IMPERIAL GUARTD VALKERIE AND FLEW TO THE-
*Sniper shot shoots through boreale's head, instakilling him*
Cyrus: There is no way I am going through another game with that Dumbass.
ThunderPsyker u misspelled the word bruvas.
Also when is ur dow 2 review comming?
@@4hammer100 Yeah, a millenia later he decided to finally make the DoW 2 review.
The emperor protects!
lol
Gaze upon your ancient comment and cringe.
Do you think Avitus would have been proud of Tarkus for saving Diomedes in this moment, leading to the redemption of the Blood Ravens?
Justin Okraski
The old Avitus perhaps.
He would have sass both of them, but then again he was an asshole
He would have, I think. He was not properly corrupted, e.g. posessed by a demon. He just saw the reality of the universe and that broke him. If he'd be able to see that Tarkus stands tall still, he would probably rethink of what he said in his last moments.
I feel sorry for him, even though he was the biggest asshole ever.
Before his fall maybe.
@@atanasdimitrov6469 he was an asshole, but he was a lovable asshole.
Tarkus is easily one of the most badass characters in DOW2
My favourite character
Can you imagine the irony that so many years later writers of DoW III made DIOMEDES a chaplain instead of a guy who literally retrieved him from despair and set back onto the right path?
Heresy.
@@T1Slamnah that actually better for him
In his service as the captain of the honor guard serving directly to Kyras and knowing that all that he’s done what not in the name of the greater good, but everything he does was just another scheme played by Kyras
Apothecary Galan who was corrupted tells us that Diomedes is too prideful and arrogant to even realize what he’s done
It took a decade for Diomedes to realize that he just another pawn for Kyras after Kyras revealed that he’s indeed corrupted and told Diomedes himself that all he’s been told to do was for his own gain
This shock him and make him aware for what he has done all this time, the same thing that makes Avitus(if you choose him to be the traitor) realize the reality of the chapter and his own existence
It took Tarkus to convince him that there still time to redeem himself, show him that he can still do good and free the chapter from corruption to a new age of glory
Later he realize this and see that Gabriel is more befitting to be the chapter master and step down from his position from the captain of the honor guard to a chaplain to guard the chapter honor and dignity and prevent it from corruption ever again
@@paples2835 I could agree that there is definitely a rhyme in making Dio stand on guard of chapter's purity after his experiences of balancing on the edge of heresy, but he's just not the psychological type to be in charge of ideological organization:
For blib sake he failed to see rampart corruption around him because he doesn't think or reflect, he acts on orders and duty - it would make more sense to put him in charge of zealous redemption or penance crusade, because he is best in the battlefield, not the praying room.
"dow3" is heresy itself.@@T1Slam
Probably the most powerful moment in the blood raven storyline. Absolutely inspiring.
they really put some good emotion into a lot of the characters, when Diomedes talks about giving up you can hear the despair
DIS PAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tarkus: "Listen here, fuckface, if you do not fly right this time I will fry you with this meltagun."
I love how the Sergeant just casually threatens to murder the Captain and he's just cool with that.
I smiled seeing Tarkus alive.
Since Chaos Rising he is my favorite!
So...guess Avitus was the canon traitor after all.
Yup. Avitus was the only other squadmate besides Thule who was confirmed to have served on Kronus, and Thule mechanically not be a traitor. He doesn't even have a corruption meter, and if yours gets too high, he ABANDONS your ass. The only other possible traitor not seen in Retribution is Thaddeus, who was explicitly not on Kronus.
Martellus, Tarkus and Cyrus are all playable, and Jonah is with Angelos. As for Hairgel and Thaddeus, I believe it's stated somewhere that they end up in the neutral ending of a Crusade of Absolution into the Eye of Terror.
the Avatar could be the traitor ?
No, Hairgel (common nickname for the Commander/Avatar) is not a possible traitor in the context we talk about with Avitus being the canon one. However, in the various endings after the Chaos Rising campaign is over, various things do happen to him. In a full purity ending with a convinced Diomedes, the Commander becomes Captain of the 4th Company. In the corruption endings, the Commander is either executed by Angelos, or turns traitor himself and joins the Black Legion. The neutral ending, however, with medium-to-high corruption, is the Crusade of Absolution that I mentioned above.
SMAXZO I can't believe it , avitus is the traitor
He is the cannon traitor, too.
0:30 I only noticed this now but Tarkus has a second helmet. (Bottom right corner of the screen.)
Oh yeah wtf??
I think that was an oversight by Relic, because you're not suppose to see that until he took it off so you see two when there should only be one.
Now I wonder what happened to the other helmet :3
@@mattwells5347 Ate it
@@cursedfate838 the resy of thr chapter were "gifted" of it
So ... why is Tarkus not a Chaplain by now? By that speech and how it took Diomedes out of his despair, I think Tarkus should have more than qualified for chaplaincy.
Tactical Marines and Sergeant especially, are the ones from which the Chaptrer chooses its Captains and they are also the ones that must inspire their people.
Ken Hamada He is probably too nice of a sergeant to ever scold or even punch a fellow marine for cowardice in battle.
+Ken Hamada character of DoW III revealed
+Qiu Shuang but its not about being nice or mean...
+BountyFlamor THQ was bankrupt after the release of Space Marine. However, if the company had still managed to continue to operate, there would be the main character as Gabriel Angelos, and having much other subordinates promoted to a higher rank. However, another interesting aspect would be some Eldar allies which would occur, since they happened at the original Dawn of War
This is just a theory:
Avitus was the Traitor, so Tarkus slew him
The Commander and Thaddeus were both given the Neutral ending, so they're away redeeming themselves
Davian Thule is still alive and serves as Gabriel's second-in-command
It is not a theory that Avitus is the canon betrayer. Everything in this dialogue and what was mentioned in previous games points to Avitus being the betrayer. Since Tarkus, Cyrus, Jonah Orion, and Martellus all appear in Retribution, they CANNOT be the betrayers. That leaves Aramus (the Force Commander), Thaddeus, and Avitus as the only options remaining.
From the dialogue in the video, Avitus mentions another person that he served alongside on Kronus and with whom he became fast friends during the Tyranid Invasion. That immediately cuts out Thaddeus, since Thaddeus did not serve on Kronus as Thaddeus repeatedly in previous games asks about the Kronus Campaign. It is not known if Aramus served on Kronus, but it seems as though he only first met the others during the events of DOW2. It is known that Avitus did serve on Kronus and they were certainly friends. It thoroughly pained Tarkus to have to kill Avitus.
I think Thule is killed by Eliphas and Aramus by Kyras. No idea what happened to Thadeus. Pretty sure the old FC is dead though, there is a flavor text in Retribution in one of the weapons (a Warhammer) that sais it.
@@manolgeorgiev9664 Thadeus and Aramus are on a penitant crusade, they're alive. Thule is killed by Eliphas (possibly, the space marine ending in retribution is very canon, its arguable if anything that happens in the chaos campaign is canon since in that, gabriel and Orion are dead by the end) in the chaos campaign.
@@Marineisme Yes, but in DOW3 Ronnah got the Souls Stone of Taldeer, so the cannon could be a combination of several campaigns, like Eliphas could've killed Thule before Diomedes and the gang killed him and such. Hard to say, it is a shame we didn't get a clearer situation for all the chapter... and you know, a better game.
I played retribution first so this went completely over my head. Dawn of war has a much more complex and in depth plot than I thought would come from a warhammer title.
5 Years old but the Karuva campaign is a reference to Dawn of War: Dark Crusade which is canonically a Blood Ravens victory. And then Dawn of War 2 and it's expansion, Chaos Rising where if done "Correctly" i guess? Avitus is the traitor which is the "Canon" ending. In my first play through it was actually the tech marine, which is apparently the "Everyone is super devoted but we still have this scripted betrayal so one of two NPCs" ending. But Canonically as you see here it was Avitus.
There is no Avitus in Dawn of War 1.
@@DwarfyDoodad late reply, but Kaurava was Soulstorm and it's a complete BR loss, Cyrus references it in DoW2. Kronus on the other hand was a victory, as we can also see Davian Thule
Tarkus was the Unknown Primarch all along!
No, he was BANEBLADE!
BandoleroProfile
A Sphess Mahreen is you.
WHAT A TWIIIST!!!!
+RandoGrunt Bullshit! Boreale is and always has been.
he hess feeiiled the emprah
When Diomedes speaks, you can imagine that being Avitus' internal monologue just as he spilled over into turning to Chaos... lucky Tarkus was there this time.
"There was another like you, Diomedes, and we served together on Kronos. During the Tyranid invasion we became first friends, but Kyrus called for him and he went.
It corrupted him, and he despaired, betraying us to the Black Legion.
I slew him.
Diomedes; I turn to you know and see the same signs in you.
I will not risk that. I will slay Kyrus myself, and if I must, you as well.
Our past glories may be lies, but Kyrus has not taken our one, true duty from us.
No one but the Emperor can relieve us of that." - Veteran SGt Tarkus
+Zelousmarineinspace Good to see Tarkus again, too bad the original FC ain't nowhere to be seen. :(
Shadowhawk28 he is a hair-etic
Zelousmarineinspace i don't believe the FC is. I would like to see him as well as Sergeant Thaddeus. However, there are hints from dialogue between the remaining Space Marines that the two had departed on a crusade of penance matching a "Slightly Corrupted" ending in Chaos Rising.
Shadowhawk28 I said hair-etic not heretic.
Avitus was the cannon Traitor
Zelousmarineinspace i know
Am I the only one who that it was funny that Cyrus chose 1:25 to start digging in his ear?
Phalanx
Just can't believe it's Tarkus
No, he’s scratching his head in astonishment!
10 years later and I'm still going back to this whenever I feel down.
Seeing Tarkus speak here is one of the things that makes me think the Blood Ravens campaign was designed first. Really good see here, and I also find it amusing when you consider that it's generally Cryus that doesn't think twice before back talking his superiors, but here Tarkus is flat out threatening to kill Apollo if he doesn't pull himself together, and thankfully Apollo does pull himself together.
I almost fucking cried at "No one but the Emperor can relieve us of that."
Tarkus, I bless you.
I like how the intro to this mission is all emotional for the Space Marines.
While for the Ork Campaign you spend it laughing.
I see Tarkus has received that helmet as a "gift" from Apollo Diomedes. Guess even the Blood Ravens aren't safe from themselves.
The Ancient should be Force Commander Hairgel. It would explain his silence.
ah but then you would know its him everytime he screamed when you proc fury
if you look closely, the mugshot of the ancient is literally diomedes with a helm pasted on
RIP Avitus.
No man died in His service that died in vain.
This is one of the most epic moment of the story of dawn of war...
Diomedes...The Ancient was I
*The helmet explodes*
Rogal Dorn
or
Diomedes, I...
*The helmet explodes*
CATO SICARIUS, IS THE ANCIENT, BECAUSE I, CATO SICARIUS OF THE 2nd COMPANY, IS THE MOST WORTHY TO BECOME THE NEW CHAPTER MASTER, BECAUSE I, CATO SICARIUS, WILL KICK THE ASS OF AZARIAH KYRAS
Appelez-moi A Some time, I think "HE" Cato Sincarius should join Lucius the fucked-up.
Point taken
Diomedes, I am.......
**Helmet Explodes**
KAPTAIN BLUDDFLAG, YA FILTHY HUMMIE GITS! IT WAS HARD ENUF TRYING TO SPEAKZ LIKE ONE OF YOUS SO I HADS TO STAY ALL QUIET-LIKE. NOW THAT WE IN DIS HERE SPACE HULK, I BETTERS GO NOW. THANKS FOR THE RIDE, YA GITS!!
kono dio da
Farseer Aradrel The ancient was I
*helmet explodes*
Vulcan, come now son of my traitorous bruva magnus can give me a hug!
For those who are a bit slow : Tarkus is talking about Avitus, from the previous DoW games you can hear from the dialouge that they've become good friends on mentiond planet. - Wich means that Avitus turning to Chaos is canon, unfortunatley. I did love his reckless abbandon.
Tarkus shoudl've been Chaplain in Dawn of War 3 not Diomedes!
@Billy Bill is chaplain a higher rank than honor guard's captain?
@@krzysiekkasprzyk4560 Chaplins rank below captains, unless he was a reclusiarch (senior Chaplin) then he would have been on a similar rank, but it’s probably around a similar level of authority
This man should be 1st captain of the blood ravens, he has custodes level of loyalty
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Tactical Sergeant Tarkus: Hold my bolter
"No. There is much left to say... and I will break my silence to say it."
"Sergeant Tarkus?"
Satan is my sister.
But my son is also my sister.
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@ReconTeam111 In Chaos Rising, the neutral ending of the campaign (where you get quite corrupted) has the Commander being exiled to the Eye of Terror. Seeing as Avitus was corrupted, the canon Commander certainly wasn't pure, so odds are that ending is canon.
Tarkus will always be one of my favorite space marines
Imagine if that ancient had been Captain Hair-gel. His actions were completely hair-etical.
I love this scene. In some ways it would've been nice to have a corruption level in Retribution because at this moment Diomedes had all but given up hope; so depending on how badly corrupted you are; you could've maybe opted to not listen to Tarkus & maybe only cared about your own survival than the chapter itself as some renegade space marines do become brigands or pirates which could be interesting as even if corrupted I doubt Diomedes would want anything to do with Kyras; he might still oppose him but not for the sake of the shattered chapter. A bit of choice could've been fun for this but ah well; still great nonetheless :)
Well, their IS the Boreale version :P
Why are Boreale, Diomedes and Tarkus are bald?
Hair-esy that's why.
I am no Hairetic!
While content published by the Black Library is supposed to be canon, in the 40k universe, canon doesn't always mean "true". So, the books and the games could both be considered "canon", but which version of events is true is completely up for interpretation. Personally, I'd prefer the events that don't directly contradict the lore and make no sense.
"Wut we do nao?"
"We hold position"
"Huh?"
"We remain PINNED here BRUVA!!!"
Scene Epic For the Emperror..
Its awesome that you still do the DoW uploading stuff
This makes perfect sense. Diomedes does sound like avitus when he became a traitor by canon in chaos rising
im glad martellus isint canon traitor he looks so cool
So basically the Canon ending for DOWCR was the one where Avitus' betrayal
It would probably cause massive fan rage :D and yes, it would have been glorious to see that :D
SPESS MEHREENS TODEH WE ARE IN SPESS!
I actually fanboy squeed when Tarkus revealed himself.
Tarkus... epic beyond words...
I was hoping the Ancient was Commander Hair gel
diomedes: we stay :(
tarkus: says something
diomedes: we go :)
@ReconTeam111 Additional evidence for this is in the hammer Diomedes receives, which states the the 'Nameless' previous wielder went 'berzerk' after Kyras declared him a renegade, which I think is Kyras's interpretation of the Commander's absence from the sub-sector, since he couldn't possibly know of the Commander's exile, since Angelos was the one who ordered it.
@ANGRYMAPLE Thanks for the information where did u got it from?
This should’ve been an actual cutscene. Not like this. This could’ve been way more powerful than it already was if they put in effort to make it.
The only thing that bothered me about this scene: HE DROPPED AND LEFT HIS HELMET THERE! I liked how I finally had a smart marine under my command who actually wore his damn helmet! And then he did that -_-
@MrBuda200 Dawn of war wiki, theres a few though. There's a Dawn of war 2 novel which gives the Force commander the name Aramus, but if i remember right its the end of Chaos Rising where Gabriel sends the Force Commander to Meridian. Seeing as Thaddeus is also missing he is probably with him. Also in the novel it says they were both recruited roughly the same time on meridian even though the game says Thaddeus is the only one in years.
@ReconTeam111 As of Thaddeus... no one knows. :P However, the prevailing theory is that he accompanied the Commander on his exile.
That story really wasn’t told well Avitus could be the traitor, but he should have just been a rebel, him joining the Black Legion made no fucking sense.
The Ancient is Sergeant Tarkus?
@WyczesanyBober In the Blood Ravens Campaign the weapon you get as a reward for the 2nd to last mission is the Thunder Hammer of the unnamed Force Commander. There is no other mention of him in game.
Special ammo only works for certain guns. I think the vengeance rounds only work with the heavy bolter
@BloodDX2
Avitus's reasons for the betrayal is also the one that most resembles Diomede's despair.
who saw the helmat beside the anciant one at 0:32?
@shepokril Steamboy - 06 - London World Exposition
It fits so well as Kyras ended up a full blown Khorne follower. Avitus reflected those teachings though his doubt found him wanting. Let the galaxy burn indeed.
Wow for a space marine to lose hope and faith give in to despair thank the emperor Tarkus was there
@Wolfstanus That wouldn't reduce his ability to communicate, He would just be reduced to useing astartes battle sign.
@Strawngbad Well it cant be Davian, cos as a Dreadnaught he cant get corrupted, Jonah is shown in every campaign in Retribution fighting alongside Gabriel Angelos, Tarkus, Cyrus and Martellus are right here, your Force Commander cant become the traitor, and from what Tarkus has said here, our traitor fought on Kronus with him aswell as during the Tyranid invasion. During conversations within DoW2, it is said that Avitus and Tarkus fought together on Kronus.
It has to be Avitus.
According to Tarkus the traitor is someone he serve together in Kronus and become fast friends during the Tyranid Invasion...
This leave Thadeus out as he wasnt at Kronus so which only leave to Avitus and Force Commander.
Since he mention serve together which mean that they both are relatively same ranking which make Avitus most likely the offical traitor..
But it can be presume that the Force Commander could be a tactical marine in Kronus but got promoted later...
I was always hoping that depending on how you level him up, he turns out to be Avitus, Thaddeus or Tarkus.
@UNSCJohn117 yep, in a thunder hammer's (which i dont know how's called) background the story of the FC is explained "once a great commander that fought in 2 Aurelian crusades ( both dawn of war 2 games ) but he let a brother fell into chaos and is sent to the eye of terror to battle for 100 years (the "medium" ending in chaos rising)" and for Avitus, well he and Tarkus were the only marines present on Kronus (besides of Davian Thule of course) leaving Avitus being the traitor.
I didn't play the DoW 2 Retribution, but Can you wear or get the Helmet of Tarkus or The Ancient in the game or not?
also as I stated...the games storyline actually changed depending on how you play them, so one straight storyline from the book is non canon while 10 different storylines that flow parallel to each other and contradict one another are canon?
i realize the answer is probably in one of the comments, but there are so many comments so ill just ask, does anyone know what happened to the force commander canonically?
Steamboy - 06 - London World Exposition
You're right, I was wrong about the canon status of the novels.
@TheDevastatah I added it.
@Hunkyfish20 He does, but they're quite shriveled in from his killing a Necron.
@stickks9875 i think it was multiple endings combined together minus a few dramatic ones that cant tie together. I think the Blood ravens, Ork, IG, and MAYBE eldar endings all happened but the blood ravens were the ones to overcome kyras.
@WyczesanyBober But the only direct mention of him is that hammer, and it seems to state that noone is sure what happened to him. There is the ending in Chaos Rising that you simply leave with Angelos' 3rd Company and are branded as renegades by Kyras, and that happens if you attack Diomedes without killing Galan on Calderis.
"IT IS THE BANEBLADE!"
@DethPenguin And for the Chaos, the intro is spent grovelling in front of Abbadon, while he and Neroth gloat.
@BigDickCheney btw where did you get all these ost's?
@coreqek or to serve under the honor gurad. Which reminds me
Cyrus can serve the 10th comany and train initiates to become hardcore like him.
Martellus can become the head of the tech priest in blood raven
Diomedes can be the force commander of strike team
Aramus can become the 4th captain of Blood Ravens defending the recruiting world
And Thaddeus can become a sergeant serving under Aramus to help recruit the Blood Raven space marines
@RanwulfMaxwell
He was my favourite since vanilla.
Such a bro.
@beastclaw33 no the i'm saying that while he has the helmet on, if you pause and look at the ground, you can see his helmet on the ground
@Guudni it isn't thaddeus, think about it, the only other seargant that served with Tarkus on Kronus was Avitus, if Avitus betrayes you in chaos rising he says how after the battle of Kronus he was approached by Kyras who ordered him to provide aid and information to Eliphas. Thus because of this and how it is said in this cutscene it is clear that Avitus is the offical traitor
@darkpyro75 The FC became the new Chaos Lord or got corrupted by Kyras and now serves the Honor Guard, I'm not sure. Avitus is the betrayer, he's the one Tarkus mentions. Thaddeus' fate is unknown, he's most likely also a betrayer and joined the Chaos Army as a new Chaos Champion. Cyrus and Tarkus serve Diomedes. Thule still serves in the Chapter, though he is killed by Eliphas in the Chaos Campaign. That indicates he's still alive
anyone know what happend to the force comader from the first two games
Tarkus has balls of adamantium, hands down.
*Squad Morale Restored*
Is Tarkus' voice actor the same guy who voices Papa Khan in New Vegas?
SPEHS MEHREENS, TODEH WEH R EN SPEEHS!!!
I can't believe Avitus was a traitor, he saved me more than once and was one of my favorite characters
Same. I say Avitus, along with Cyrus, are the two sergeants with the most raw power in the 4th company.
I mean constant heavy bolter fire with off map artillery as an energy ability? Like holy hell.
does this scene change if that is the case?
wait i havent plaied retribution whit blood ravens but when i plaied throu chaos rising once i woas betraied by martelus but who is the traitor acording to retribution.
ps sorry for any misspels
The other man the Tarkus mentioned is Avitus, He was the REAL beterayer in chaos rising.
@delta3030 well, as far as I know the FC (now the Nameless) was sent to fight in the eye of terror for 100 years to redeem himself for his failures ( letting Avitus betray the chapter), Thule appears in Retribution but only in the chaos campaign and Thaddeus, well he is never mentioned but he probably is with the FC.