Considering how they portrayed the lives and progression of space marine it's honestly astonishing, in the novels the astartes are unbreakable warriors to see diomedies shattered by the revelation of kyras's betrayal makes dow2 a great game with a good story line and gameplay for a 40k game
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 when I first played dawn of war II and chaos rising two years ago I was astonished how they actually surpassed the great characterization of dawn of war 1 by so much. I fell in love very quickly with that campaign.
You misspelled it. It goes something like this *clears throat* "Loooook rynohs. RYNOHS! Our enemies hide in MEHTAL BAWKSES the cowards! Da fewls! We *Asthma* We should take away their mehtal bawkses!"
This game series is the first for me to show Marines and others turning to Chaos. Most warhammer games just show one or two people turning but this series in particular shows entire legions and armies turning. I must admit, I find it fascinating to see the results and otherworldly in hearing Imperial Guardsmen or Space Marines who would normally praise the God emperor, but now openly praise the dark powers.
Im confused, Galen isn't technically a heretic...he even straight up thanks you and tells you a daemon had been lurking inside him forcing him to do horrible things. Then tarkus right after says "You surround yourself with traitors like galen!" so technically he isn't a traitor....
For 99% of his time under Diomedes's command, Galen's body and voice served Chaos. As long as it's later recorded that his soul was saved, it's simply more expedient to refer to Galen as a "traitor"
Not to mention that things like 'logic' and 'common sense' died in the Horus Heresy...hell, they probably died in the Age of Strife. I've got the common sense of a rock, and even *I* have more common sense than some in that universe...
It's quite interesting that the Blood Ravens on patrol were innocent and merely followed orders as they didn't know the chapter master was corrupted yet. Though I wonder how on earth Space Marines could actually tell themselves apart from corrupted members of the same chapter as they would have the exact same colours. In Dawn of War; the different colours is only really a convenience for the player,
it's the same thing in many organisations in real life. You're all supposed to be working for the same goal, the same organisation, but higher ups have their own designs, and force everyone into different camps, and the victims are those who don't get wise to it and end up in neither camp, destroyed by both parties. It's like all political parties, collectively pushing for the same ends but everyone's stabbing each other in the back, who are you loyal to, who do you know to trust, since everyone wears the same uniform or badge.
I was able to finish the mission without killing any Loyalists myself. I would just Retreat with Cyrus when they got close, and always had the rest of my squads a sizeable distance from any Loyalist squads.
OK, so let's see if I have this right. Diomedes goes from using a bolt pistol, thunder claw and jump pack, to using a chainsword and bolt pistol, to using a thunder hammer, to using a chaplain stick, storm bolter and terminator armor. That's one hell of a loadout.
I kind of like Diomedes, he is just doing what he thinks is right. Of course I will always side with the good guys, Angelos, Thule, and the Commander and his Sergeants.
Diomedes: "Who would have thought that Galan was a follower of rot god Nurgle?" Space Marine: "Well, i always thought he stink like rotten sewage waste when off duty." Diomedes: " ... [Realizing how obvious Galan was treacherous] Well Emperor f*** me!" Lol
@@OGSpaceMarine This happens all the time in 40K in fact if I remember correctly there's one Space Marine chapter that well known for kicking the ass of other Space Marine chapters.
@@cursedhawkins1305 The Minotaurs Chapter. They appeared under mysterious circumstances, never hail any other Chapters except to demand their obedience, hold with no friends, and are very close to the High Lords of Terra, always sporting the latest equipment and war-gear. Rumours abound that they may in fact have been founded from uncorrupted World Eater gene-seed held on Luna. They certainly act like the old War Hounds Legion pre Angron and the butchers-nails. They haven't been sighted in any engagements except where they are called upon to fight another Chapter or break a deadlock, such as a civil war like in the Badab Sector.
That's the problem Space Marines can't tell who's corrupted or not. Chaos Corruption usually ends in a massive internal investigation of the Chapter and then purge. The fact the player and their retinue knew Kyras and Galen was corrupted well that's a classic Deus Ex Machina right there. But to be fair they had been investigating the mounting claims, so....
For the gameplay, I agree, but for the storyline I don't. Beside the quality of the campaign, Gorgutz Victory is much more logic and good than Motherfuckers Stubbs of my balls (I hate that guy)
I thought Tarkus HAD to be present during this mission for him to convince Diomedes otherwise you fail in opening his eyes to the corruption around him because I know what happens if you have Avitus there!
I know this game old but chaos rising is confusing when it comes to what is the true ending, like who actually is the betrayer or what happened to our force commander, hell the fact that tarkus cyrus and martellus and jonah are all in retribution while avitus and thaddus are no where to be seen, I did always have a theory that avitus was the betrayer but that doesn't explain what happened to thaddus
It believed the banished ending is the canon ending, the force commander was sent off to the eye of terror to make penance for his failure to stop the corruption from taking hold of his men (Avitus), Thaddus in turn being a young loyal marine most likely followed his commander on his crusade. After what happened at Cadia chances are that the force commander is either dead or is slowly being overrun by chaos forces, a tragic end to a great hero of the imperium.
@NicholasGeschke Having one your squads corrupted in Chaos Rising leaves you only with 2 endgings: crusade of penalty or execution by Angelos, one of these two happened to Aramus.
@PROkiller16 Probably dead. If you leave him alive, he shows up all ominous behind Diomedes in the end here, implying that if Galan survives, Diomedes would probably not be your main character in Retribution.
Cyrus is a fucking godsend on Primarch difficulty with his sniper and charges. It's almost impossible to defeat the Eldar without sniping all their warlocks, and blowing up any fire prisms they may have. Same with the Tyranids and their Hive Tyrants, those things are way too heavy.
Ha that he did; when I first met him in Chaos Rising I could actually take him seriously but without the helmet; well definitely not; he's a total laughing stock just like Captain Borale without it oh and let's not forget his infamous baneblade line :P
I used a demo charge on a power generator and a scout walked into it.. just ruined the mission and didn’t realize that it would lead to me killing Diomedes. Being pure on Primarch difficulty is rough
@PlagueNeko Galan probably allowed himself to or were possessed soon after Kyras secret fall, with the chapter master fallen how could he possibly have resisted the temptations of chaos?
+Ken Lenard Navarro I believe is *was* confirmed that Avitus is the official traitor. It makes the most sense if you think about it. On the outside he seems like a hardened warrior, eager to kill the Emperor's enemies endlessly, but on the inside, he's gotten sick of carnage and bloodshed, seeing all his brothers die for a war that will never end. And when he finds out there's a heretic running the chapter, he feels that the only way his brothers will see the truth is if he dies to prove a point.
Actually Its canonically Avitus. Tarkus says he was on Kronus with the Traitor, seeing as the only other two who were on Kronus we know of by name are Avitus and Davian Thule (Emperor Rest his Soul) it must be Avitus. Thaddeus was either not recruited or didn't serve on Kronus, while Cyrus was training scouts for Indrick Boreales failed Campaign in the Kaurava System/Serving In the Deathwatch.
Avitus is the Traitor. In DOW2 Retribution, after Kyras fully reveals himself to being corrupted by Chaos to Diomedes, Diomedes and the Blood Ravens with him are teleported to a Space Hulk. There, Cyrus asks him what they are to do next. Diomedes is TOTALLY despondent and says nothing, and he laments almost tearfully about having been manipulated by a heretic for centuries and that the Chapter's History has been full of lies. That is when 'The Ancient', who never spoke and was masked so far through the game, breaks his silence and reveals himself to be Tarkus. He warns Diomedes about falling into dispair and he narrates the story of a Space Marine with whom he served on Kronus and became very strong friends falling into dispair and then to Chaos and he, Tarkus, having to kill him. He says that he will not allow that to happen again with Diomedes and he will kill him if he has to and he poignantly reminds him that regardless of what the nature of their Chapter is, they are ultimately Space Marines and they can only be relieved from duty by the Emperor in their service to the Imperium and humanity. This 'GET YOURSELF TOGETHER MAN' talk from Tarkus reinstills fervour and duty in Diomedes, turning him a full 180 degrees in attitude, ans Diomedes then vows to lead the loyalist Blood Ravens to victory against Kyras. In DOW2, the first one, not the expansion, it is mentioning in the cutscenes that Avitus and Tarkus served on Kronus together, in a campaign that the Blood Ravens won led by Captain Davian Thule. At that time, Thaddeus was either too young or probably not even born, but he certainly wasn't a Space Marine. Cyrus did not serve on Kronus as he had been seconded to Deathwatch. From all these narrations and the events of DOW2, Chaos Rising, and Retribution, given Avitus' absence and the fact that Techmarine Martellus and Jonah Orion are alive and fighting for the Blood Ravens in Retribution, it is clear that Avitus is the canon traitor of Chaos Rising. What is not clear is the fate of Thaddeus and Force Commander Aramus. From the events of Retribution it is certain that the endings of Chaos Rising in which he either gains too much corruption to either flee and join the Black Legion or be executed by Angelo's are not canon. The other ending of him being sent on a 100 Year Long Crusade of Absolution to redeem himself of corruption (probably along with Thaddeus), or being promoted as Captain of the 4th Company to take the place of the now Dreadnought Davian Thule, or the High Purity ending are much more likely. Whatever the case, there is no mention of Thaddeus or FC Aramus in Retribution. As to the reason why Tarkus and Cyrus who were serving under FC Aramus in DOW2 and Chaos Rising are serving under Diomedies in Retribution is because Gabriel Angelos had assigned them to do so. In short Avitus is the cannon traitor.
Give Cyrus the Sniper, and both sets of explosives, the timed ones he throws, and the ones that take several seconds to place and can be remotely detonated. Give your force commander the jump pack. Leave all of your units except Cyrus at the start point and use Cyrus to knock out most of the generators and watch out for: A)the dreadnaught in the middle of the map that goes back and forth but will retreat with the generators destruction, B)the squad of scouts just before the bridges in the middle that go back and forth and won't flee with the rest (you have time it when you move your forces across one of those bridges to avoid the scouts), and C) the squad of assault marines that jump around the map in a kind of star pattern. Watch them for a while and you'll get to know how long you have between their jumps. Once Cyrus has taken out the generators, use your commander to jump pack up to the ledge above, between the mine entrance (near your squads) and the 2 bridges, here there is another generator, be careful not to jump when the assault marines are coming. Take this out and jump back down as quick as you can. Again, move your commander to the middle area and watch out for the assault squad jumping here towards the southern end. When you think it's safe, have him jump across the southern ravine and destroy the generator there. Now the assault squad won't bother you as you move your squads over to Galen's area (also avoiding the scouts at the bridges remember). Now you can easily take out Galen and his heretical Terminators. Again you'll need Cyrus, make sure you have some charges left (boxes are scattered across the map so unless you wasted most of them, you should be fine) leave your squads where Galen fell, and take Cyrus up to Diomedes position. Be careful as the Captain will spot you planting a charge and his Terminators will jump you or fling missiles your way so it's best to be quick or try planting the explosives towards the back of the command structure. If you can, snipe the Terminators one by one, keep running away until safe, then return if needs be. If Diomedes if too close to the command, you can reveal yourself and lure him away before fleeing. I know that's a long explanation, but hope it helps!
BDC, as far as accumulating Corruption and earning mission endings. Does it matter if you kill Blood Ravens but stay below the objective limit? Or can you not kill anyone at all? In other words if you kill 2/10 Blood Ravens do you still get corrupt or not since the limit wasn't reached?
@aragax Well Avitus isn't so good. He's like half a step away from full blown Chaos heresy. Watch BDCs video where he kills Diomedes, he's borderline like that 4 out of 5 times. LAWLZA!!! So your siding with the good guys plus a minor psychotic dude. Hahahaha!
The good ending is canon. Branded a renegade by Kyras (confirmed), not able to convince Diomedes (confirmed) but didn't kill him (confirmed since you play Diomedes in Ret) and still loyal to the chapter. There is no proof but it is strongly indicated that the good ending is indeed canon (note good ending=/=100% pure ending).
Thaddeus and the commander are not there in retribution, so it might be that the lesser good ending is cannon, generally good but minor corruption by chaos, force commander and Thaddeus sent on crusade to repent.
"we're here to recover data, not kill blood ravens"
*Brings a dreadnought*
What dreadnought?
Thule: "points guns away"
I've been there on my first run, regretted it due to me aligning with chaos
luckily corrected that mistake thanks to his video
Doing a stealth mission with a dreadnought in tow; Ballsy move indeed, brother
If nobody is left to report your position it is still a stealth mission.
I did that too
Better him than Avitus IMO.
If you spec Jonah properly he can put other units into infiltration. that's how I did it.
For the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion, that's just Tuesday lol
The moment you hear Diomedes say: "Go from here", you realise how his pride just Shattered into dust and forced him to Inaction.
Considering how they portrayed the lives and progression of space marine it's honestly astonishing, in the novels the astartes are unbreakable warriors to see diomedies shattered by the revelation of kyras's betrayal makes dow2 a great game with a good story line and gameplay for a 40k game
@@beemus1827 Writing101: When writing about superman, put more 'man' into it than the 'super' instantly makes your character more relatable.
@@RichterBelmont2235 rule to live by when writing any story.
@@beemus1827 I'm glad more folks are starting to really warm to the great writing of Dawn of War 2.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 when I first played dawn of war II and chaos rising two years ago I was astonished how they actually surpassed the great characterization of dawn of war 1 by so much. I fell in love very quickly with that campaign.
"Is Diomedes a traitor?"
"No, just a dumb@ss"
The cowards! THE FOOLS!
We... *gasp* we should take their metal boxes!
You misspelled it.
It goes something like this *clears throat*
"Loooook rynohs. RYNOHS! Our enemies hide in MEHTAL BAWKSES the cowards! Da fewls! We *Asthma* We should take away their mehtal bawkses!"
SINDRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!
In the end Galan was just another victim of Kyras and Chaos, shame his name will forever be tarnished as a traitor.
He isnt though he gets promoted the Chaplain lol
@@Peroxide-Mark Galan is the apothecary, you're thinking of Diomedes
This game series is the first for me to show Marines and others turning to Chaos. Most warhammer games just show one or two people turning but this series in particular shows entire legions and armies turning. I must admit, I find it fascinating to see the results and otherworldly in hearing Imperial Guardsmen or Space Marines who would normally praise the God emperor, but now openly praise the dark powers.
Im confused, Galen isn't technically a heretic...he even straight up thanks you and tells you a daemon had been lurking inside him forcing him to do horrible things. Then tarkus right after says "You surround yourself with traitors like galen!" so technically he isn't a traitor....
+1Kelvar There are no excuses or exceptions for heresy. A heretic who's hand is forced is a heretic still.
For 99% of his time under Diomedes's command, Galen's body and voice served Chaos. As long as it's later recorded that his soul was saved, it's simply more expedient to refer to Galen as a "traitor"
Not to mention that things like 'logic' and 'common sense' died in the Horus Heresy...hell, they probably died in the Age of Strife. I've got the common sense of a rock, and even *I* have more common sense than some in that universe...
@@TARINunit9 Through death he has been redeemed.
Plus is galen the true betrayer in chaos rising
0:54 - 1:03
(While fighting Blood Ravens)
Tarkus: Emperor forgive us for taking our Brother's life. Commander, these killings stain our honor.
It's quite interesting that the Blood Ravens on patrol were innocent and merely followed orders as they didn't know the chapter master was corrupted yet. Though I wonder how on earth Space Marines could actually tell themselves apart from corrupted members of the same chapter as they would have the exact same colours. In Dawn of War; the different colours is only really a convenience for the player,
it's the same thing in many organisations in real life. You're all supposed to be working for the same goal, the same organisation, but higher ups have their own designs, and force everyone into different camps, and the victims are those who don't get wise to it and end up in neither camp, destroyed by both parties.
It's like all political parties, collectively pushing for the same ends but everyone's stabbing each other in the back, who are you loyal to, who do you know to trust, since everyone wears the same uniform or badge.
Internal targeting computer in their helmets.
Same thing with Civil War where everyone use the same equipment and uniform. Friendly fire happen, a lot.
I was able to finish the mission without killing any Loyalists myself. I would just Retreat with Cyrus when they got close, and always had the rest of my squads a sizeable distance from any Loyalist squads.
A loyal blood raven if ever I saw one, very commendable, brother!
May the Emperor (beloved by all) watch over you.
I did this whole mission with cyrus alone and only sent the rest of the units in when galan had to be fought, it was such an intense stealthy mission
Da moment when u realized that Diomedes doesnt know how to use his Jumpback and get killed easily.
Dat moment when Diomedes realized that he works for chaos
Neroth Brother I am hit.
Tac Son Brother I'm pinned here!
IT IS THE BANEBLADE!!!
Tac Son BROTHER I WILL TAKE IT!
"We are here to recover data, not kill Blood Ravens"
The Commander right after calling an orbital strike on a single squad: O_O
"Shall I kill you now?" Most chill way to start a fight.
OK, so let's see if I have this right. Diomedes goes from using a bolt pistol, thunder claw and jump pack, to using a chainsword and bolt pistol, to using a thunder hammer, to using a chaplain stick, storm bolter and terminator armor. That's one hell of a loadout.
As Captain of the 1st Company, he gets first dibs on their fancy toys.
On the official soundtrack, the track is called "Khaine's Wrath".
I kind of liked Galan
I kind of like Diomedes, he is just doing what he thinks is right. Of course I will always side with the good guys, Angelos, Thule, and the Commander and his Sergeants.
Diomedes: "Who would have thought that Galan was a follower of rot god Nurgle?"
Space Marine: "Well, i always thought he stink like rotten sewage waste when off duty."
Diomedes: " ... [Realizing how obvious Galan was treacherous] Well Emperor f*** me!"
Lol
XD
BAAAAAIIIIINBLAAAAAAAAAADDDDEEEE!!!!1111111 DDDDD:
I'm more Shocked Diomedes Survived up to here....
Yes! You dont have to kill any Blood Ravens (expect the possessed ones)
Since he is mentioned in Retirbution, I guess that " crusade of penalty" is canon.
Its the Horus Heresy all over again...
I wouldn't call this that, Horus Heresy affected entire legions, this is just one single chapter.
Cursed Hawkins no just war flash backs of astartes fighting each other again
@@OGSpaceMarine This happens all the time in 40K in fact if I remember correctly there's one Space Marine chapter that well known for kicking the ass of other Space Marine chapters.
@@cursedhawkins1305 The Minotaurs Chapter. They appeared under mysterious circumstances, never hail any other Chapters except to demand their obedience, hold with no friends, and are very close to the High Lords of Terra, always sporting the latest equipment and war-gear.
Rumours abound that they may in fact have been founded from uncorrupted World Eater gene-seed held on Luna. They certainly act like the old War Hounds Legion pre Angron and the butchers-nails. They haven't been sighted in any engagements except where they are called upon to fight another Chapter or break a deadlock, such as a civil war like in the Badab Sector.
@sithar This video is what happens if you don't kill any loyalist Blood Ravens and kill Galan.
Diomedes is going to be in Retribution! I, for one, find thisawesome!
I was able to pass this whole mission without killing a single loyal blood raven. -pats my own back- haha
That's the problem Space Marines can't tell who's corrupted or not. Chaos Corruption usually ends in a massive internal investigation of the Chapter and then purge. The fact the player and their retinue knew Kyras and Galen was corrupted well that's a classic Deus Ex Machina right there. But to be fair they had been investigating the mounting claims, so....
To everyone seeing a dreadnought, you must get your eyes fixed.
Cpt. Thule: *points twin-linked lascannons away*
Tarkus: the good guy on the squad. Cyrus: serious guy . Avitus: mad and corrupt
Only if you made him so. Retribution be damned, Avitus was a rough but a loyal servant of the Emperor in my Chaos Rising campaign!
@@Matihood1Avitus was meant to be the canonical traitor though.
@@TinyGreyOwl Retribution be damned. Don't make me repeat myself again.
@@Matihood1 It was implied in CR not Retribution.
I've noticed all the Space marine's soldier's have the same voice. I love the Scout's voice :D it sounds like mayor quimbee from the simpsons :D
A wild Diomodes appeared!
BRs used persuade!
It's uber effective!
if i was commanded under a sergeant, I want Tarkus to be my sergeant. I think working with him will make me pure :3
DO NOT LECTURE ME SERGEANT!!!!!1111
HAIR GEL
COMMANDER
Vanilla Ice.
all those dead Guardsmen in Kronus and Kaurava.... And these fail ravens still think they're loyal?
I actually found it more realistic. And it's such a win for me to finally see that Motherfuckers Stubbs lost all his glory.
borgri dawn of war 3 is shit in both gameplay and continuing the story line.
For the gameplay, I agree, but for the storyline I don't. Beside the quality of the campaign, Gorgutz Victory is much more logic and good than Motherfuckers Stubbs of my balls (I hate that guy)
Farseer Aradrel it doesn't follow the storyline of dow 2 though, there was alot of allusions to a space marine victory in kronus.
Farseer Aradrel that ork victory makes thule, avitus, and tarkus all liars.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
I thought Tarkus HAD to be present during this mission for him to convince Diomedes otherwise you fail in opening his eyes to the corruption around him because I know what happens if you have Avitus there!
Nope. I used avitus in this mission and killed Galen and his corrupted terminators, and still ended up with this cutscene.
@Cocarat206 too bad he's got a moustache worthy of a Crimson Fist! ;p
I honestly cheesed this mission by equipping thaddeus with Terminator armor and just teleporting out when I started getting shot at
Emperor shall forgive all of you,Tarkus
@Airganoth yeah that's why he personally hammered every eldar on tartarus to SPREAD THE LOVE!
BROTHER I AM HIT
I know this game old but chaos rising is confusing when it comes to what is the true ending, like who actually is the betrayer or what happened to our force commander, hell the fact that tarkus cyrus and martellus and jonah are all in retribution while avitus and thaddus are no where to be seen, I did always have a theory that avitus was the betrayer but that doesn't explain what happened to thaddus
It believed the banished ending is the canon ending, the force commander was sent off to the eye of terror to make penance for his failure to stop the corruption from taking hold of his men (Avitus), Thaddus in turn being a young loyal marine most likely followed his commander on his crusade. After what happened at Cadia chances are that the force commander is either dead or is slowly being overrun by chaos forces, a tragic end to a great hero of the imperium.
Yes he did.
@BigDickCheney Ah I see its just that at 0:56 the count of dead blood ravens rises, but now I see that it later goes back to zero.
People, i think we should simply ignore all writings made by Goto and Matt Dickward.
lol Apollo looks like he's wearing a baseball on his head
@h34rtk0rps milk for the khorne flakes? hmm....?
im hungry
OPEEEN UUUP YOUR EYEEEEEES
Diomedes sounded beater with his helmet on
@NicholasGeschke Having one your squads corrupted in Chaos Rising leaves you only with 2 endgings: crusade of penalty or execution by Angelos, one of these two happened to Aramus.
I HEAR YOU GO AHEAD
WE FIGHT FOR PLEASURE AND SLAANESH
@PROkiller16 Probably dead. If you leave him alive, he shows up all ominous behind Diomedes in the end here, implying that if Galan survives, Diomedes would probably not be your main character in Retribution.
@SlientChaos
Can't unsee
i finished this mision only with cyrus with demo charges very easy
kool he dosent die, yes!
YOU HAVE CAPTAIN DIOMEDES
anyone else beat the entire game with nothing but cyrus? its easy, he can kill anyone and everything at once lol
Yeah same :D Cyrus is the most badass character
Cyrus is a fucking godsend on Primarch difficulty with his sniper and charges. It's almost impossible to defeat the Eldar without sniping all their warlocks, and blowing up any fire prisms they may have. Same with the Tyranids and their Hive Tyrants, those things are way too heavy.
Ha that he did; when I first met him in Chaos Rising I could actually take him seriously but without the helmet; well definitely not; he's a total laughing stock just like Captain Borale without it oh and let's not forget his infamous baneblade line :P
ah.... he saw the truth....
I used a demo charge on a power generator and a scout walked into it.. just ruined the mission and didn’t realize that it would lead to me killing Diomedes. Being pure on Primarch difficulty is rough
ill carry you queen
@woodwyrm or at least i thought he had, it seems it was the Lord General who had the 'stache
Brutha I am hit!
Bruvah!!!!!
@PlagueNeko Galan probably allowed himself to or were possessed soon after Kyras secret fall, with the chapter master fallen how could he possibly have resisted the temptations of chaos?
He looked better too
What an imba.......
In the good ending, if you kill Galan and not Diomedes and most of your squads are slightly corrupted, then Avitus is the traitor.
+Ken Lenard Navarro
I believe is *was* confirmed that Avitus is the official traitor. It makes the most sense if you think about it. On the outside he seems like a hardened warrior, eager to kill the Emperor's enemies endlessly, but on the inside, he's gotten sick of carnage and bloodshed, seeing all his brothers die for a war that will never end. And when he finds out there's a heretic running the chapter, he feels that the only way his brothers will see the truth is if he dies to prove a point.
+Alec Eisenbison Thaddeus
Actually Its canonically Avitus. Tarkus says he was on Kronus with the Traitor, seeing as the only other two who were on Kronus we know of by name are Avitus and Davian Thule (Emperor Rest his Soul) it must be Avitus. Thaddeus was either not recruited or didn't serve on Kronus, while Cyrus was training scouts for Indrick Boreales failed Campaign in the Kaurava System/Serving In the Deathwatch.
Avitus is the Traitor. In DOW2 Retribution, after Kyras fully reveals himself to being corrupted by Chaos to Diomedes, Diomedes and the Blood Ravens with him are teleported to a Space Hulk. There, Cyrus asks him what they are to do next. Diomedes is TOTALLY despondent and says nothing, and he laments almost tearfully about having been manipulated by a heretic for centuries and that the Chapter's History has been full of lies. That is when 'The Ancient', who never spoke and was masked so far through the game, breaks his silence and reveals himself to be Tarkus. He warns Diomedes about falling into dispair and he narrates the story of a Space Marine with whom he served on Kronus and became very strong friends falling into dispair and then to Chaos and he, Tarkus, having to kill him. He says that he will not allow that to happen again with Diomedes and he will kill him if he has to and he poignantly reminds him that regardless of what the nature of their Chapter is, they are ultimately Space Marines and they can only be relieved from duty by the Emperor in their service to the Imperium and humanity. This 'GET YOURSELF TOGETHER MAN' talk from Tarkus reinstills fervour and duty in Diomedes, turning him a full 180 degrees in attitude, ans Diomedes then vows to lead the loyalist Blood Ravens to victory against Kyras.
In DOW2, the first one, not the expansion, it is mentioning in the cutscenes that Avitus and Tarkus served on Kronus together, in a campaign that the Blood Ravens won led by Captain Davian Thule. At that time, Thaddeus was either too young or probably not even born, but he certainly wasn't a Space Marine. Cyrus did not serve on Kronus as he had been seconded to Deathwatch.
From all these narrations and the events of DOW2, Chaos Rising, and Retribution, given Avitus' absence and the fact that Techmarine Martellus and Jonah Orion are alive and fighting for the Blood Ravens in Retribution, it is clear that Avitus is the canon traitor of Chaos Rising.
What is not clear is the fate of Thaddeus and Force Commander Aramus. From the events of Retribution it is certain that the endings of Chaos Rising in which he either gains too much corruption to either flee and join the Black Legion or be executed by Angelo's are not canon. The other ending of him being sent on a 100 Year Long Crusade of Absolution to redeem himself of corruption (probably along with Thaddeus), or being promoted as Captain of the 4th Company to take the place of the now Dreadnought Davian Thule, or the High Purity ending are much more likely. Whatever the case, there is no mention of Thaddeus or FC Aramus in Retribution. As to the reason why Tarkus and Cyrus who were serving under FC Aramus in DOW2 and Chaos Rising are serving under Diomedies in Retribution is because Gabriel Angelos had assigned them to do so.
In short Avitus is the cannon traitor.
@PROkiller16 alive,and he takes the place of the force commander in your squad as...fc.
i didn't kill any blood ravens in this mission, even at the end I just spammed det packs while cloaked
Is it only me that thinks that the Chaos rising Campain is way better than the retribution campain?
@Airganoth true
@outlawstar15a2 the limit wasnt reached.
BRUVA SHAT TAH FAK...
i got this one, because i am a good person :3
BUTHAS I AM HIT
@Airganoth how does he saved the Biel-Tan Craftworld?
What is the name of the music that starts playing when they mention Ulkair?
oohhkair ulkair lol
bruvaiamhitbruvaiamhitbruvaiamhit
Is there a way to avoid killing these Blood Ravens in 0:55?
Give Cyrus the Sniper, and both sets of explosives, the timed ones he throws, and the ones that take several seconds to place and can be remotely detonated. Give your force commander the jump pack. Leave all of your units except Cyrus at the start point and use Cyrus to knock out most of the generators and watch out for:
A)the dreadnaught in the middle of the map that goes back and forth but will retreat with the generators destruction, B)the squad of scouts just before the bridges in the middle that go back and forth and won't flee with the rest (you have time it when you move your forces across one of those bridges to avoid the scouts), and C) the squad of assault marines that jump around the map in a kind of star pattern. Watch them for a while and you'll get to know how long you have between their jumps.
Once Cyrus has taken out the generators, use your commander to jump pack up to the ledge above, between the mine entrance (near your squads) and the 2 bridges, here there is another generator, be careful not to jump when the assault marines are coming. Take this out and jump back down as quick as you can. Again, move your commander to the middle area and watch out for the assault squad jumping here towards the southern end. When you think it's safe, have him jump across the southern ravine and destroy the generator there. Now the assault squad won't bother you as you move your squads over to Galen's area (also avoiding the scouts at the bridges remember).
Now you can easily take out Galen and his heretical Terminators.
Again you'll need Cyrus, make sure you have some charges left (boxes are scattered across the map so unless you wasted most of them, you should be fine) leave your squads where Galen fell, and take Cyrus up to Diomedes position. Be careful as the Captain will spot you planting a charge and his Terminators will jump you or fling missiles your way so it's best to be quick or try planting the explosives towards the back of the command structure. If you can, snipe the Terminators one by one, keep running away until safe, then return if needs be. If Diomedes if too close to the command, you can reveal yourself and lure him away before fleeing.
I know that's a long explanation, but hope it helps!
Should have kept the helmet
BDC, as far as accumulating Corruption and earning mission endings. Does it matter if you kill Blood Ravens but stay below the objective limit? Or can you not kill anyone at all? In other words if you kill 2/10 Blood Ravens do you still get corrupt or not since the limit wasn't reached?
looked better too
i played retibution but i didnt play chaos rising so it weird for me see ancient marine is the main character in retribution
What happens if you don't kill any Blood Ravens and don't kill Galen?
shall i know wat is the background music of??
will you be doing one without kill any blood ravens?
@Airganoth Well, at least is what C.S. Goto says... Which still annoys most of the fanbase.
@Shawn21769 Fucking YES!!!
@PROkiller16 oh sorry,read something else.no,hes dead.
@Airganoth Says who?
How for it seems to be unavoidable?
@aragax Well Avitus isn't so good. He's like half a step away from full blown Chaos heresy. Watch BDCs video where he kills Diomedes, he's borderline like that 4 out of 5 times. LAWLZA!!! So your siding with the good guys plus a minor psychotic dude. Hahahaha!
Song at 3:24?
Eldar themed soundtrack search it up.
The good ending is canon. Branded a renegade by Kyras (confirmed), not able to convince Diomedes (confirmed) but didn't kill him (confirmed since you play Diomedes in Ret) and still loyal to the chapter. There is no proof but it is strongly indicated that the good ending is indeed canon (note good ending=/=100% pure ending).
Thaddeus and the commander are not there in retribution, so it might be that the lesser good ending is cannon, generally good but minor corruption by chaos, force commander and Thaddeus sent on crusade to repent.
Why Necrons?
How does that even work? XD