I've been down the carb road.....not doing that again. I have almost the same setup as you but I have P heads being the only difference. My car is completely apart now but I will deal with the stock ecu until I can't then go either Terminator X, HP or Dominator depending on how crazy I decide to take it.
I agree that the carb would work great. That was my original suggestion for the build when you started. I do agree that you stayed within a decent budget. Enjoy driving it!!!
I just subscribed to your channel. I like what you're doing. I like that you didn't put the LS in it . Nothing like seeing a fox body all ford . enjoy scrappy.
Really well done. classic old school stuff - the iron GT40 heads have large chambers, 65CC so static compression is down from the E7's. I think the lunati 218/226 cam would run stronger but not sure if it costs more. some home portwork, good valve job and shave .030 off the heads would help a ton. I would save and reuse pushrods, find a set of stock rockers that are serviceable, clean and reuse lifters to use that money for the head machining. porting the lower intake some will wake it up even further! cannot wait to see it at the track! should be a ripper
Doing this swap id say your best friend is Facebook marketplace and a little LMR. I got the upper and lower gt40 intake for very cheap I got a performer unused cam also cheap a set of 1.6 roller rockers cheap and a set of used edlebrock aluminium heads cheap. I'm getting heads and intake ported and intake powder coated before installing. It's a expensive upgrade but can be done right over time.
I got an explorer engine from a junk yard complete throttle body to oil pain pulled and placed in my truck with a warranty for 400 and that’s what I put in one of my fox cars. It’s a gt40p engine. It had 205-208 compression across all cylinders so I tore into it all new bearings ho cam for now shorty headers etc definitely best way to go.
I did exactly that with my ‘65 Mustang. I took an explorer engine with the GT40 heads, fit it with an Edelbrock 289 intake and 1406 carb that I already had and called it a day.
Carb makes it a lot simpler. I’m working on a buddy’s car and we installed a terminator X, it isn’t plug and play, that’s BS. Every sensor has to be programmed, timing, decent vacuum…massive cam phuks that up and a lot lot lot of Holley tuning learning has to sink into our brains…. Would have been done tuning a carb in a few hours, Holley, we’re on our 2nd month… and this is whiling having guys come over that know how to tune Holley…we’re finding something new every day! lol but, I have to say, the Holley does a lot and will be worth it when our learning curve level out.
I got a 5.0 in my 78 Bronco project, 6 inch lift This is what I am starting with. I heard if I found some explorer heads at the wrecker I could gain 20-25 hp on stock 5.0 It runs. Pretty decent now but those 35 s need some power to move. Running stock 4 speed Not sure what the future holds, Lincoln big block. staying analog for sure. No digital for me.
Sounds like a kick ass project! If you look down through the very first videos I ever posted, there is a couple videos of the 78 long travel bronco we built.
I'd have to buy one beat to shit to be in my budget and just do a little at a time and go with the stock motor. Regardless you"ve saved a car that was probably heading to the junkyard soon.
I ended up going with a mega squirt setup with my GT40 fox(for a vortech setup I’m piecing together) hoping that will give me the ability to smooth out the fussy fuel delivery issues with the factory A9L stuff. I’ve often heard carbs gain big power with these cars!
Awesome video Brother!!! I agree with the Carb set up but EFI is also good if someone wants to keep the stock injection on it. Can’t wait to see the track ETs! 🇺🇸💪🏼 also thanks for your service!
Warms up in traffic, check the fan operation. Are fans wired for low/high? Small chance, if running lean, it could run warmer. Perhaps use the fans on high, and raise the fuel pressure if plugs look lean (Kirban adj fpr, if need).
You did a great job on it. I don’t recall if you said what gear ratio you had. Go ahead and brace yourself for a t5 refresh and steel bearing retainer and cluster support. Keep going brother. She’s gonna be bullet proof.
I have a holley 760 on my 88 gt and the power difference is amazing, just stab the throttle and it goes, I had a lifter collapse and a main bearing smoked so I did .20 over and put an e cam but now I'm wishing I put the b cam in and I don't even have the motor back yet
@VeteranIdiot more top end power, the e cam is more mid range compared to it, but I can't say for sure yet. I get the motor back from the machine shop in just a couple weeks so ill be able to rest the e cam and see if I like it
I have a '63 f100 i am doing, remeberance build for my grandfather. I have a explorer v8 and tranny in it now . Just need to run fuel lines to get it running. But i am thinking of switching directions as i acquired a new 347 forged engine that is begging to go in sitting in the floor of the garage. But i am torn , because i would like to see how the setup in it now does. I enjoy your channel and look forward to the future content .
Run the fuel and drive it, enjoy it for awhile and then jump into the 347 swap. Projects can be exhausting sometimes, you just gotta get it running and enjoy it.
If you reduce the initial timing, it WILL run hotter at idle. Opposite of what you would think would happen. They are gonna run 215+ at idle with a stock clutch fan in 92* temps….especially with AC. It’s just how it is.
@@VeteranRevivals sve rad actually is small u need to start learning rads, fins per inch, I've got 500+ hp and tried alot of rads, water pumps etc, then started researching, there not the same, look at griffin thermal series, biggest baddest u can get, I would like someone to try to find one better
If you change the distributor when swapping to carb, that can be pricey. Locking out the TFI distributor and putting a switch to kill the spark when cranking can be an affordable way to avoid that cost. Adam Grover has a RUclips channel where he goes over a cheap carb swap.
@@VeteranRevivals Thanks for the quick answer. Those rockers look like they fit easier under stock rocker covers than rectangular rockers. Do you agree?
I think 2k is very realistic for a gt40 rebuild. also just want to mention if you go for a complete explorer motor you will have to buy all new accessories and timing cover.
I have had better luck getting the Terminator X to run good on my Turbo Mustang than the Holley 750 DB on the LS N2O Camaro. It has a the terrible lean bog. I rather push buttons on the keyboard than pull the bowls.
@@VeteranRevivals 331, 347 or 363 Considering how cheap GT40 heads are, especially if you get them from a salvage yard,have them ported etc. Cams don't cost much, so again money wise for me, I think stoker kit for the money is a better deal than the 302 combo.
I subbed right when you spoke about how using a carb will get you max performance on the cheap and I was like this guy knows what the deal is I know that I can relate to him now 👉SUBBED ⬅️ That's me touching the subscribe button 😅🤣😂
Completely agree with what you said. I know the smalls ad up, with fluids. That said your at $2,000.00 in.
I've been down the carb road.....not doing that again. I have almost the same setup as you but I have P heads being the only difference. My car is completely apart now but I will deal with the stock ecu until I can't then go either Terminator X, HP or Dominator depending on how crazy I decide to take it.
I agree that the carb would work great. That was my original suggestion for the build when you started. I do agree that you stayed within a decent budget. Enjoy driving it!!!
Thank you!
My mustang was already carb swapped when I bought it. It’s definitely what I prefer and easier to tune compared to using stock ecu.
Carb is for sure the easiest way to go! That could be another video is showing the conversion to carb. Awesome series! Thoroughly enjoyed it!
I agree! Thank you! 🤙🤙
I just subscribed to your channel. I like what you're doing. I like that you didn't put the LS in it . Nothing like seeing a fox body all ford . enjoy scrappy.
Thanks! Welcome aboard!! 🤙🤙
Really well done. classic old school stuff - the iron GT40 heads have large chambers, 65CC so static compression is down from the E7's. I think the lunati 218/226 cam would run stronger but not sure if it costs more. some home portwork, good valve job and shave .030 off the heads would help a ton. I would save and reuse pushrods, find a set of stock rockers that are serviceable, clean and reuse lifters to use that money for the head machining. porting the lower intake some will wake it up even further! cannot wait to see it at the track! should be a ripper
All excellent ideas!
Doing this swap id say your best friend is Facebook marketplace and a little LMR. I got the upper and lower gt40 intake for very cheap I got a performer unused cam also cheap a set of 1.6 roller rockers cheap and a set of used edlebrock aluminium heads cheap. I'm getting heads and intake ported and intake powder coated before installing. It's a expensive upgrade but can be done right over time.
Nice!
I got an explorer engine from a junk yard complete throttle body to oil pain pulled and placed in my truck with a warranty for 400 and that’s what I put in one of my fox cars. It’s a gt40p engine. It had 205-208 compression across all cylinders so I tore into it all new bearings ho cam for now shorty headers etc definitely best way to go.
I did exactly that with my ‘65 Mustang. I took an explorer engine with the GT40 heads, fit it with an Edelbrock 289 intake and 1406 carb that I already had and called it a day.
I think it was a good move to go the way you went looking forward to a track run bro!!👊🤘😎
timing will definetly cause it to over heat
I agree
Carb makes it a lot simpler. I’m working on a buddy’s car and we installed a terminator X, it isn’t plug and play, that’s BS. Every sensor has to be programmed, timing, decent vacuum…massive cam phuks that up and a lot lot lot of Holley tuning learning has to sink into our brains…. Would have been done tuning a carb in a few hours, Holley, we’re on our 2nd month… and this is whiling having guys come over that know how to tune Holley…we’re finding something new every day! lol but, I have to say, the Holley does a lot and will be worth it when our learning curve level out.
Haha, yes it can be easy to get lost in the sauce with programmable tuning
I got a 5.0 in my 78 Bronco project,
6 inch lift
This is what I am starting with.
I heard if I found some explorer heads at the wrecker I could gain 20-25 hp on stock 5.0
It runs. Pretty decent now but those 35 s need some power to move.
Running stock 4 speed
Not sure what the future holds,
Lincoln big block.
staying analog for sure.
No digital for me.
Sounds like a kick ass project! If you look down through the very first videos I ever posted, there is a couple videos of the 78 long travel bronco we built.
@@VeteranRevivals cool I will check it out
You've earned my Subscribe.
Thank you! Welcome aboard!! 🤙🤙
I'd have to buy one beat to shit to be in my budget and just do a little at a time and go with the stock motor. Regardless you"ve saved a car that was probably heading to the junkyard soon.
Love the look and stance so much, really have me considering selling my hatch for a coupe to build now 😂
😂 ironically I prefer the look of the hatch
I ended up going with a mega squirt setup with my GT40 fox(for a vortech setup I’m piecing together) hoping that will give me the ability to smooth out the fussy fuel delivery issues with the factory A9L stuff. I’ve often heard carbs gain big power with these cars!
Awesome video Brother!!! I agree with the Carb set up but EFI is also good if someone wants to keep the stock injection on it. Can’t wait to see the track ETs! 🇺🇸💪🏼 also thanks for your service!
Thanks man!! 🤙🤙
I’m definitely doing Holley on my 4banger swap. To hard to find any ecu stuff any more.
Warms up in traffic, check the fan operation. Are fans wired for low/high? Small chance, if running lean, it could run warmer. Perhaps use the fans on high, and raise the fuel pressure if plugs look lean (Kirban adj fpr, if need).
Fans are running high/low with Dakota digital controller. Tossing some different injectors in soon, will see if that cleans it up.
Can't wait to see Scrappy at the track!
Same
You did a great job on it. I don’t recall if you said what gear ratio you had. Go ahead and brace yourself for a t5 refresh and steel bearing retainer and cluster support. Keep going brother. She’s gonna be bullet proof.
It's a got a built T5wc and 4.10's. Hopefully I don't have to touch it for awhile 😂
@@VeteranRevivals good to hear. Yes I’d say she rips for sure.
I have a holley 760 on my 88 gt and the power difference is amazing, just stab the throttle and it goes, I had a lifter collapse and a main bearing smoked so I did .20 over and put an e cam but now I'm wishing I put the b cam in and I don't even have the motor back yet
B Cam for more street ability?
@VeteranIdiot more top end power, the e cam is more mid range compared to it, but I can't say for sure yet. I get the motor back from the machine shop in just a couple weeks so ill be able to rest the e cam and see if I like it
I have a '63 f100 i am doing, remeberance build for my grandfather. I have a explorer v8 and tranny in it now . Just need to run fuel lines to get it running. But i am thinking of switching directions as i acquired a new 347 forged engine that is begging to go in sitting in the floor of the garage. But i am torn , because i would like to see how the setup in it now does. I enjoy your channel and look forward to the future content .
Run the fuel and drive it, enjoy it for awhile and then jump into the 347 swap. Projects can be exhausting sometimes, you just gotta get it running and enjoy it.
@@VeteranRevivalsThis is the way for sure. It'll help you appreciate the 347 that much more
92 degrees? I am fighting sideways snow in Manitoba in my driveway working on patches..
😂😂
Gret video!
Thank you! 🤙🤙
If you reduce the initial timing, it WILL run hotter at idle. Opposite of what you would think would happen. They are gonna run 215+ at idle with a stock clutch fan in 92* temps….especially with AC. It’s just how it is.
Got dual contour fans and an SVE radiator, no a/c 😞
@@VeteranRevivals sve rad actually is small u need to start learning rads, fins per inch, I've got 500+ hp and tried alot of rads, water pumps etc, then started researching, there not the same, look at griffin thermal series, biggest baddest u can get, I would like someone to try to find one better
If you change the distributor when swapping to carb, that can be pricey. Locking out the TFI distributor and putting a switch to kill the spark when cranking can be an affordable way to avoid that cost. Adam Grover has a RUclips channel where he goes over a cheap carb swap.
Oh nice, I'll have to check that out
@@VeteranRevivals His video is entitled the following:
How to carburetor swap a foxbody from efi without "ruining it", the easy way.
Put the timing at 14, if its getting hot it has air in it or you need a heavy duty fan clutch. oreilys sells one
It's got dual contour fans with SVE radiator 😞
@@VeteranRevivals Wow really? I live in hot california , I always stay cool with a just upgraded fan clutch
The timing is currently at 14 and was thinking of backing it down to 12. I have new injectors on the way so I'm gonna wait and see if that helps.
@@VeteranRevivals 14 should be more than fine , Sounds like something else is going on.
Cool build, been enjoying the ride. Those roller rockers are $300ish aren't they? Did you include that in the total? Where'd you get yours? Thanks.
$330, I did include that in the total, as well as the bearings, roller lifters, cam, pushrods, and rings. Got it all from Summit.
@@VeteranRevivals Thanks for the quick answer. Those rockers look like they fit easier under stock rocker covers than rectangular rockers. Do you agree?
They fit perfectly, just have to modify the baffle under the oil fill tube
I think 2k is very realistic for a gt40 rebuild. also just want to mention if you go for a complete explorer motor you will have to buy all new accessories and timing cover.
Good point!
If you got room to store a vehicle
Buy the one that has your engine from wrecked auction etc.
Part out the rest and make your money back
I just built a 331 stoker in my 88 ands fuel injection but if i had it to do over i would've spent way less and put a carb on it
Haha for sure
Could a head gasket be installed backwards? The tabs should be showing in the front on both sides.
They're both showing
I think it's just a matter of bad injectors and too much timing
Let me hear it run.
Fret not friend; the videos before and after this are full of shots of it running.
I have had better luck getting the Terminator X to run good on my Turbo Mustang than the Holley 750 DB on the LS N2O Camaro. It has a the terrible lean bog. I rather push buttons on the keyboard than pull the bowls.
Valid
Stroker short block would have been my route 🤷
Which size would you go with?
@@VeteranRevivals 331, 347 or 363
Considering how cheap GT40 heads are, especially if you get them from a salvage yard,have them ported etc. Cams don't cost much, so again money wise for me, I think stoker kit for the money is a better deal than the 302 combo.
"a lot of torque" That's funny.
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You gave $450 for a set of GT40 heads? I had to give the last set I had away to keep from scapping them.
🤷🏻♂️
they get 800 for 3 bar In NJ
😮I threw away 3 friggin pairs of them a few years ago wish I had them now lol crazy times have changed alot
The best way for cheap "HP"/Speed is Gears. you will be much much faster. 3.73's and 4.10's are the best.
It has 4.10's
I subbed right when you spoke about how using a carb will get you max performance on the cheap and I was like this guy knows what the deal is I know that I can relate to him now 👉SUBBED ⬅️ That's me touching the subscribe button 😅🤣😂
😂😂 welcome aboard!