That is a really informative video and it might surprise some people. Some people always get confused and think that sideways necessarily means drifting and once you have the smallest bit of oversteer you are losing time which is half true. When you are having too much oversteer indeed you are losing time but you also loose time when you don't explore the cars limit and this video is a perfect exemple. I'm not even close of being an expert when it comes to rally but I think in this conditions and with a FWD car if you try to drive in a "clean" line like if you were on a track as shown in the video is actually worst and you will strugle a lot to keep a "ideal" line and probably even having some understeer. What this video shows is that when you know how to master the wheight transfer and use the rotation of the back to point the car and help you to make the corner it actualy saves time instead of loosing it.
The take-away I see from the comparison video is you have a sliding car that's utilizing grip from all 4 tires over more of the course versus the non-sliding approach which makes much less use of the rear tires to do work moving the chassis around corners. Pair that with deformable surfaces, and you also get more peak grip available.
Prediction before watching: It is fastest way to enter turns sideways, this way car brakes and that force is partially converted to wanted direction. Enter sliding and exit straight. It is, 4 wheels steering instead just 2. That's how Sebastian Loeb drove, only steer and brake at straight.
winter tires and let off gas. You just need to find an empty road and practice, when you go sliding around at slow speed, you can't really get hurt, but the experience of feeling how the car reacts is unbeatable. It's a matter of getti comfident in gas control and adding/letting off gas to maintain the direction of travel. Good speed management helps too, cause once you go too fast on snow, there is not much you can do to avoid an accident on the road, not enough space and not enough grip to stop.
Predict it - expect it, drive slower than your grip limits. Worst comes to worst tapping the brakes will send weight to the front wheels providing more traction. It’s about weight distribution so practise moving the weight to the front wheels using braking or just letting go of accelerator at the right time around a corner or just when straight. “Feel it out”
I had an old 80's escort, no traction control, abs, nothing but me,3 pedals, and a wheel.. with That car it was all about feathering the gas in a lower gear to get responsive wheel spin.. you could actually spin and steer your way thru anything. Sometimes it required a quick flick to get the rear to push and sometimes the front would claw and pull you around.. All that said goes back to the other comment.. find an open space and fling it around until you feel where each wheel is and what is doing.. That's handling a vehicle not just driving it.. Have fun!
How can I safely rally in a fwd commuter car, where do I go to practice where I won’t annoy neighbors or end up in a ditch cause someone decided they would actually take a Forrest service road
Nice try... but why non-sliding car runs so unperfect racing line? Think its cause a HUGE time loss. For me for example the main question between sliding on-sliding is "can I have enough traction in moment to handle my speed on that terrain and push car in turn without adding oversteer?". If yes > no slide. If not > sliding.
In Europe you have several competitions in WRC and WRC2 cars. I have not seen any people from US competing in WRC. I see through the videos that you know much about rally and drifting. What is the reason that there are not one or two or more people from US competing in WRC? What about some student from the school or instructors start trying to compete in WRC with the best in Europe and perhaps win the rally professionally?
The biggest reason is simply the expense, it's literally millions of dollars to play that game. Racing here in the US and in Canada in these national championships is MUCH more affordable, especially racing 2WD you can win the US championship for under $100k with the car included.
@@Teamoneilrally Wyatt, what do you guys use for the center strip on stock steering wheels? (would be cool if it was easy to make ones that light up, but it's not :) )
@@SubaruWRXStiYamahaR6-AllGone Yes i saw that video, but i specificly intrested in the fiesta. How they use them and whats the modifications to use as a teacing car and they can handle it. (fully stock or some fiberglass protection, disable air bags or not, rear seats and carpits is in or not, tyres rims). How often they need service etc..
Even though I think that the sliding in this way will still be faster there are a few things that I wanted to raise even back in the snow comparison: 1) The slower car is not going full throttle - is it still sliding when the car is NOT sideways? I can argue just based on previous knowledge from the channel that not sliding in the corner but stronger straightline acceleration and deceleration will dramatically close the time gap 2) Taking into account point 1 a sweeping/less sliding line could (this is just me guessing) improve the time - ok, let's say a better line for straight line acceleration/deceleration that allows a non sliding corner 3) it should be noted that the sliding car is using part of the sliding action for deceleration and pointing of the vehicle
I guess drifting like this is quite a bit slower on tarmac. Why? Because static friction (not sliding) is greater than dynamic friction (sliding). But there is a transition point between static and dynamic, where there is a very small amount of slip, which I understand is the fastest. No slip at all means you aren't going fast enough! :)
In the past I had a saxo vts 16v. Very tail happy under braking going into a corner. On tarmac it can be helpful but it's way more twitchy than on gravel because the reaction is way faster. On fast long corners I pin the throttle down, on slow corners I like to do a pendulum to initiate lift off oversteer
Tarmac coming soon! We're hosting a drift school at New Hampshire Motor speedway May 11+12, the plan is to sneak in an "Is Sideways Faster" episode there while we have the pavement to play on.
@@CrowJam How bad do you mean? You'll have inconsistent/ unpredictable grip, so spinning the tires may feel more predictable. But speed? Not a clue. I'd expect pot holes to develop along with the deteriorated surface, and drifting over pot holes probably isn't a good plan.
I just started rally cross here in colorado, and i was wondering since i dont have a DCCD if i could run all seasons in the rear and dirts in the front to get it to come around easier?
I don't have much experience on dirt but the tame clip seems to be driving a less ideal line for the driving style. This test needs more than 5 people running the same slalom both styles trying to get a faster Time than the next guy for me to be confident of any evidence for the argument. I think the video would get some interest
That is a really informative video and it might surprise some people. Some people always get confused and think that sideways necessarily means drifting and once you have the smallest bit of oversteer you are losing time which is half true. When you are having too much oversteer indeed you are losing time but you also loose time when you don't explore the cars limit and this video is a perfect exemple. I'm not even close of being an expert when it comes to rally but I think in this conditions and with a FWD car if you try to drive in a "clean" line like if you were on a track as shown in the video is actually worst and you will strugle a lot to keep a "ideal" line and probably even having some understeer. What this video shows is that when you know how to master the wheight transfer and use the rotation of the back to point the car and help you to make the corner it actualy saves time instead of loosing it.
dude we want in car footage to see the skills lolol awesome video tho!!
Love the new format. but yeah would be nice to have some in-car shots and driving commentary too.
The take-away I see from the comparison video is you have a sliding car that's utilizing grip from all 4 tires over more of the course versus the non-sliding approach which makes much less use of the rear tires to do work moving the chassis around corners. Pair that with deformable surfaces, and you also get more peak grip available.
Would it be possible to do a video on over driving corners? Like McRae vs Loebs style (dont hit me)
McRae/Kris meeke: flat out everywhere and pray to not crash into a tree.
Loeb/Ogier: clinical precision and full caution
@@LorenzoClara97 Except McCrae would roll twice fix one tyre then still finish a minute ahead of everyone else :v
😂😂😂 the edit during you talking about the editing made me chuckle
Definitely a bucket list item to attend this driving school!
Prediction before watching: It is fastest way to enter turns sideways, this way car brakes and that force is partially converted to wanted direction. Enter sliding and exit straight. It is, 4 wheels steering instead just 2. That's how Sebastian Loeb drove, only steer and brake at straight.
Jesus Christ, that last violent entry from the left. This must be so much fun.
A video on brake bias and how that effects the car and how you drive it would be cool.
Dang it dude, I’m tempted to hit the gravel backroads now
Could you do a video on the different rally driver styles?
I have heard that Loeb is "boring" and uses more circuit racing lines.
nice vid, would love to see more of this, in different conditions as well!
Been waitimg for this!!
It’s about carrying momentum through the turn.
Had to laugh out loud watching you beat that little Ford
Scary thing is, this is actually a very very smooth grade compared to crown and ruts in a place like Monaro lol
Could you please make a video how to stop FWD understeer in winter? For example to prevent crash on the road. Thanks
Winter tires
winter tires and let off gas. You just need to find an empty road and practice, when you go sliding around at slow speed, you can't really get hurt, but the experience of feeling how the car reacts is unbeatable.
It's a matter of getti comfident in gas control and adding/letting off gas to maintain the direction of travel.
Good speed management helps too, cause once you go too fast on snow, there is not much you can do to avoid an accident on the road, not enough space and not enough grip to stop.
Predict it - expect it, drive slower than your grip limits. Worst comes to worst tapping the brakes will send weight to the front wheels providing more traction. It’s about weight distribution so practise moving the weight to the front wheels using braking or just letting go of accelerator at the right time around a corner or just when straight. “Feel it out”
I had an old 80's escort, no traction control, abs, nothing but me,3 pedals, and a wheel.. with That car it was all about feathering the gas in a lower gear to get responsive wheel spin.. you could actually spin and steer your way thru anything. Sometimes it required a quick flick to get the rear to push and sometimes the front would claw and pull you around.. All that said goes back to the other comment.. find an open space and fling it around until you feel where each wheel is and what is doing.. That's handling a vehicle not just driving it.. Have fun!
can we see RWD gravel and RWD tarmac?
you guys are great
When is the ａｓｐｈａｌｔ
How can I safely rally in a fwd commuter car, where do I go to practice where I won’t annoy neighbors or end up in a ditch cause someone decided they would actually take a Forrest service road
Nice try... but why non-sliding car runs so unperfect racing line? Think its cause a HUGE time loss. For me for example the main question between sliding
on-sliding is "can I have enough traction in moment to handle my speed on that terrain and push car in turn without adding oversteer?". If yes > no slide. If not > sliding.
In Europe you have several competitions in WRC and WRC2 cars. I have not seen any people from US competing in WRC. I see through the videos that you know much about rally and drifting. What is the reason that there are not one or two or more people from US competing in WRC? What about some student from the school or instructors start trying to compete in WRC with the best in Europe and perhaps win the rally professionally?
The biggest reason is simply the expense, it's literally millions of dollars to play that game. Racing here in the US and in Canada in these national championships is MUCH more affordable, especially racing 2WD you can win the US championship for under $100k with the car included.
@@Teamoneilrally Wyatt, what do you guys use for the center strip on stock steering wheels? (would be cool if it was easy to make ones that light up, but it's not :) )
Can you do a video on how to slide a car plz
Can you do a video on how to rally fwd cars pls
Can you make a video how to disable the electronik nonsense in these fiestas? And what is different from the stock model?
I agree would be a nice video
That was the last video. Go look in history
@@SubaruWRXStiYamahaR6-AllGone Yes i saw that video, but i specificly intrested in the fiesta. How they use them and whats the modifications to use as a teacing car and they can handle it. (fully stock or some fiberglass protection, disable air bags or not, rear seats and carpits is in or not, tyres rims). How often they need service etc..
This video was way too efficient! I like the old ones
Honestly its not even a surprise on loose surfaces that it'd be faster. If it was a normal road, normal driving would probably be faster
Even though I think that the sliding in this way will still be faster there are a few things that I wanted to raise even back in the snow comparison:
1) The slower car is not going full throttle - is it still sliding when the car is NOT sideways? I can argue just based on previous knowledge from the channel that not sliding in the corner but stronger straightline acceleration and deceleration will dramatically close the time gap
2) Taking into account point 1 a sweeping/less sliding line could (this is just me guessing) improve the time - ok, let's say a better line for straight line acceleration/deceleration that allows a non sliding corner
3) it should be noted that the sliding car is using part of the sliding action for deceleration and pointing of the vehicle
It looked like speed played a little bit of a role here as well.
are those Ford fiesta Open Diff?
Yes, we put Quaife LSDs in our Fiesta STs, but all the normal 1.6 Fiestas have the stock open diffs.
R15 or 16 best? 50 or 60 profile tire?
What suspension do y’all run in your cars
Is the hole in the place of the rightside fog light an intake inlet?
So much faster
What about tarmac?
I guess drifting like this is quite a bit slower on tarmac. Why? Because static friction (not sliding) is greater than dynamic friction (sliding). But there is a transition point between static and dynamic, where there is a very small amount of slip, which I understand is the fastest. No slip at all means you aren't going fast enough! :)
In the past I had a saxo vts 16v. Very tail happy under braking going into a corner. On tarmac it can be helpful but it's way more twitchy than on gravel because the reaction is way faster. On fast long corners I pin the throttle down, on slow corners I like to do a pendulum to initiate lift off oversteer
@@fredygump5578 what if its dusty/shitty tarmac? wheres the threshold of tarmac being good enough condition that grip running is superior to sliding?
Tarmac coming soon! We're hosting a drift school at New Hampshire Motor speedway May 11+12, the plan is to sneak in an "Is Sideways Faster" episode there while we have the pavement to play on.
@@CrowJam How bad do you mean? You'll have inconsistent/ unpredictable grip, so spinning the tires may feel more predictable. But speed? Not a clue. I'd expect pot holes to develop along with the deteriorated surface, and drifting over pot holes probably isn't a good plan.
I just started rally cross here in colorado, and i was wondering since i dont have a DCCD if i could run all seasons in the rear and dirts in the front to get it to come around easier?
Definitely! Just be sure they're the same size front and rear otherwise the center diff will wear out prematurely.
Hi i have the same fiesta and i want to buy new rims for it. Can I ask what dimensions this wheel and tyre has?
so how come if your on pavement not sliding is quicker?
I don't have much experience on dirt but the tame clip seems to be driving a less ideal line for the driving style. This test needs more than 5 people running the same slalom both styles trying to get a faster Time than the next guy for me to be confident of any evidence for the argument. I think the video would get some interest
300And 1st :)
How to slide 4wd car on dirt?
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