21:51 Re Destro's company made and distributed support items for everyone to use. Even than cider villain had one when he was caught by todo and baku getting their hero licenses.
It’s weird that Endeavor, a domestic abuser, unknowingly saved Hawks from an abusive household. Irony aside, it really goes to show how hypocritical hero society can be. 😅
FUN FACT in the manga instead of just glowing, the Endeavor toy ran off in sort of a "COME ON FOLLOW ME" gesture to show him a way to freedom, and it's SO CUTE and so silly and I know why they didn't do it, but still. If you are able to find the image of the little Endeavor plush running, it's adorable.
I don’t understand why the public is surprised heroes are quitting when people are literally throwing debris at the ones still risking their lives by dealing with crime everywhere. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Because society is entitled. That's kind of the whole point of MHA. Society just assumes heroes can and will do everything, so they can't even help little kids (like Shigaraki) because of it.
@@kaxewdisco3594 But it's more to it than that. Their society's government made quirks a status symbol by outlawing their use for the public and only allowing heroes, certified by the government, to use them in public. This was the whole reason groups like Deterrnet and the Liberation Army got popular. Most people in their world had quirks and the laws were oppressive, not letting a person that naturally can fly do so just because some in the past misused their quirks. It reminds me the issue of gun ownership in that many countries don't allow citizens to have firearms while the government(police and military) are allowed to use them on the very public they serve.
@@kaxewdisco3594Illustrated even further when the people start berating and throwing stuff at Wash for arriving after the destruction happened, despite the fact that is completely unreasonable for heroes to somehow be there on the spot to stop crime before it happens and the fact that the collateral damage was specifically because civilians took it upon themselves to fight in the way they did. It's easy to empathize with public frustration because it comes from a place of grief and loss in a world full of fantastical heroes and having been in an era of peace for years. But it also shows the severe flaws with the system when shit does start to go down because, end of the day, heroes are only human as well. They can do so much but can only do so much.
Zeno Robinson gave such a good performance this episode. Especially at the end when he takes off his respirator. You could feel Hawk's despair through his voice.
21:32 - *Detnerat* as *Redestro's* company. S5 cut out much of his formal introduction from manga with his company to make this connection clearer. Also flashback in S6 ep 14 with Redestro meeting hero safety commission mentions his company with their items to try to make deal with safety commission, but disguised as a surprise attack. Redestro using Twice clone mentions that the seeds of revolution have been sown, in this case, this also relates to the support item supplies the public could have bought on the market from Detnerat.
NO SPOILERS. If anyone wants to know more about the support item distribution as well as Re-Destro's proper introduction, check out chapter 278 - The Meta Liberation Army. This content was cut from last season possibly because it was too dark. It's good stuff though, and probably won't be added back later on.
@Obie Oguejiofor I don't think it was because of that because Shigaraki decaying family was worst of it, but because they just cut time for villain arc in S5 in general.
They say the hero creates the villain. But it’s worse when you’re enemy is part of your family. But seriously, I feel bad for Endeavor. I can’t imagine the amount of guilt he must feel.
I gotta say, while I know the amount of guilt he feels must be indescribable, I can’t feel that bad for him. This really is a literal case of “you made your bed, now go sleep in it.” I get that he’s changed, but it’s also kinda hard for me to care. In some ways, it feels like too little too late, especially for atoning.
@Natsuo Todoroki and Endeavor could literally give the middle finger to all the people he's saved and will save. In reality, he's more than made up for his "crimes" cause he hasn't done anything actually illegal. Moraly questionable earlier in his life, sure. But he's not solely responsible. His wife and children also made morally questionable decisions that didn't help anything. I think people come at this in bad faith even when they see him trying to be better. Like that's the point of redemption.
@@MattPhannyPack “He hasn’t done anything actually illegal.” Yeah, I’m gonna stop you right there. Domestic abuse and child neglect are extremely serious crimes that can land people in prison for a really long amount of time. And no, him saving people hasn’t made up for anything. If anything, I’d say it’s extremely hypocritical for a former abuser who’s faced no legal consequences for his actions to have the authority to arrest people. And for the rest of the family “making morally question” decisions, basically all of those decisions were made exclusively because of him. Plus, I’m not even gonna touch on how messed up it is to blame abused kids for not making good decisions that effect the situation well. Also, while I used to be onboard with his whole atonement shtick, I can’t in good conscience say he’s done much beyond the bare minimum. Sorry for ranting on for so long, but I really don’t think I’m the one coming at this with “bad faith.” 😅
@Natsuo Todoroki no you are coming in bad faith because your argument is emotionally charged. Most of the harm endeavor caused to his family was mental. I think he hit his wife once from what they show us, and we see him obviously training shoto when shotos on the ground having thrown up. These are literally the only two events where Endeavor was physically too rough with his family. So I'm not sure if that makes him a domestic abuser. But, let's say i agree with you and he is... that also makes his wife a domestic abuser for burning Shoto lol. It doesn't really matter how she was feeling because she could clearly see that was Shoto and not Endeavor. Verbal abuse/emotional abuse aren't crimes. we just consider them morally wrong. He's an a-hole but an incredible hero with an impeccable track record who has saved more lives than he's harmed. Child neglect also isn't gonna stick because the only things his kids went without were his love and presence, and while I dont advocate for that because it sucks, it's not a crime. It's more like absenteeism. Also, it really doesn't matter that you think he's a hypocrite. He's still right there under All Might in terms of his heroism. You can't take that away from him. The fact is, if endeavor wasn't around, the world that they live in would probably have already dissented into chaos the moment All Might retired. Therefore, Endeavor's deeds accumulate to well over a net positive. Your "feelings" towards him being a hypocrite are kinda irrelevant in that respect, respectfully 👍🏾
@@MattPhannyPack Honestly, I’m not even coming at this too emotionally. It’s just a lot of your points about how abuse works, both scientifically and legally, are just factually incorrect. Just for the record yes, hitting a family member once does qualify as domestic abuse. That’s not even mentioning his mental abuse, which child neglect does qualify as, and people have been known to get up to five years for that. Also, people really like to leave out the par that the only reason mom burned Shoto was because of Endeavor driving her towards a mental breakdown. And funnily enough, she actually faced legal consequences for that. More than him anyways. Also, while “saving more than he’s harmed” is enough to legally compensate him from going to prison, my point is that he seems to be perfectly okay with that for someone who supposedly feels overwhelming guilt for what he did. Call it “irrelevant” all you’d like, but in my eyes, if he really wanted to atone, the least he could do is except every consequence for what he did. Legal consequences included. The fact that he barely even acknowledges that really puts things into perspective for me. Sure, this is where things become more emotionally charged, but like, that’s gonna happen regardless. His “redemption” is almost completely emotionally charged anyway. Regardless, even if I were to completely put those emotions aside, it still doesn’t change how corrupt this is in legal terms. So long story short, I really feel like you should look up the legality of what he did, as well as what qualifies as domestic abuse, because respectfully, you really don’t seem to understand how any of that works.
Midoryia talking to the predecessors, pretty much be like he downloading the new power updates. oh and btw that Cyder House guy was the villain that Todoroki and Bakugou captured right after they got their licenses, no one ever remembers that dude lmao
I feel like they should have named this episode “Like Those Tragic Tales” (the name of the Hawks chapter in the manga). And kept the name of the next episode the same! But I’m sure they wanted to keep that Hellish Todoroki Family tagline at the end haha… Anyway, I loved this episode. This season is probably my favourite so far, just so much exciting action and development for so many characters. Reading this cemented Hawks and Endeavour as my 3rd and 2nd fave characters (right behind Deku). It’s amazing seeing the parallels between characters like Shouto, Hawks and Deku, and how they all ended up despite the unfortunate upbringing they had as children. Very excited for y’all to get into the nitty gritty of the Todoroki Chaos next week!
This wasn't shown in the series but Wash actually saved dozens during Shigaraki's mass decay by floating beds in bubbles above the ground. His bubbles are hella strong, and he can disinfect wounds. That + his ad popularity is why he's #8, he's a top tier rescue hero and you see his influence on Koda in the last episode for mass rescue operations since Koda and iirc Manga trained with him.
Es que el anime ni explica bien su Quirk, he revisado y no lo explican del todo y se saltan partes como esta que en la séptima temporada era muy importante recordar
NO SPOILERS. If you want to know more about the support item distribution as well as Re-Destro's proper introduction, check out chapter 218 - The Meta Liberation Army. This content was cut from last season possibly because it was too dark. It's good stuff though, and probably won't be added back later on.
Merry-Go-Round by MAN WITH A MISSION was the second season five opening, that included training with Endeavor and My Villain Academy arcs. KANA-BOON sang the opening for the Gentle Criminal/School Festival arc.
It's interesting to see that this episode reveals some more of the socio-economic aspects of the hero society. All Might is mainly a hero for middle-class kids like Deku and Bakugo whereas kids like Hawks couldn't even afford to idolise All Might to that degree.
The episode name actually does work tho. The title is dropped at the end of the manga chapter when Rei comes in just like in the episode. Even though the manga's previous chapter covers Hawks I'm glad they fit him in for the episode since he's very related to the Todoroki family. Endeavor was a beacon of hope to Hawks but like the story of Icarus, he flew too close to the sun (by the sun it could mean either Endeavor or his son Dabi) and was burned
It’s called Part 2 because the whole episode is the fallout of the Hellish Todoroki family- Hawk’s origins, the collapse of society and finally endeavor’s guilt finally getting to him ending with the family all coming together to discuss
Endeavor: I feel so awful. So terrible. This anguish is eating me up. I can't take it. Rei: Imagine how tired we are. Imagine how tired we are of it Re-Destro would be so proud. Citizens are now using support items rather than relying on heroes. Little fun fact, there was a very hilarious panel that was unfortunately cut from the anime. When Hawks was talking about the Nomu being a problem, the panel was all of the Nomu we'd seen so far pointing at themselves asking, "Me?" Very tragic that it didn't make it into the anime. On a serious note, Hawks was someone who worshipped Endeavor. Who flew too fast and too close towards the sun. It's only fitting that the son is also the one that burned him his wings. He truly is like Icarus. Now the entire family is together. Well, almost all of them. Ready to talk about how everything went wrong. And how Toya became who he is today.
Overall this was a massive win for the villains and things have never been worse. Even the todorokis overcome their trauma to come together because toya needs to be taken down.
NO SPOILERS. If anyone wants to know more about the support item distribution as well as Re-Destro's proper introduction, check out chapter 218 - The Meta Liberation Army. This content was cut from last season possibly because it was too dark. It's good stuff though, and probably won't be added back later on.
Anybody says the dub actors don’t try as much as the sub actors. May I present this episode. Hawks shows his range by adding that rasp to his voice which probably killed his voice. And endeavor was on point. Dub haters can leave because this was 🔥!!!
The always lovely Rana sinking down on down couch at the end of the episode being dissapointed for not giving more info on the Todoroki family with the name of the episode was adorable.
Shoto’s number one fan should have something to hold on too and somethings just in case tears 😢happen in the next my hero episode. Because it is very let’s just say real. That is all I am going to say.
That No 9 Hero who retired, they didn't want to say it, but he meant it literally when he said falling on his own sword. He was a samurai themed hero and he was wearing the traditional seppuku robes. He probably felt like he failed the people.
Nah. The anime cut it out, but when he quit in the manga, there was a thought bubble from him that said he only became a hero for fame and fortune. He doesn't care about failing the people. He was just trying to quit before shit got worse.
That's actually the Hawks manga panel that I'm getting tattooed to accompany my Endeavor tattoo, it's the one of Hawks hugging his Endeavor doll after he says "I need to help Endeavor, he's in trouble". These two are my favorite characters, the main reason I read MHA now. Also this is my favorite episode, and manga chapters. Hawks is actually a foil for Dabi. Similar circumstances, but they decided to do completely different things. It's because, in a way Horikoshi is trying to say, upbringing influences who you are, but it's what you choose to do that matters, you are not your circumstances. Als, Endeavor was a terrible father, but he is a fantastic hero, always has been, which is why Hawks admires him.
The whole episode is showing the strain that endeavour has to recover from and the whole story was about endeavours impact on hawks and the civilians so it makes sense that it’s about the todoroki family since him and dabi caused this
yeah stain was a "blink and miss it" escapee cuz tbh we haven't seen him since s2 tho he's mentioned constantly. It's easy to just not think of him at all The title of this episode is weird considering it's about hawks but I love the hawks jeanist duo lol
Simple explanation: It's called The Hellish Todoroki Family Part II because it was the title of an associated chapter around this part which is the most interesting/eye-catching title Crackpot theory: Hawks is kind of an honorary Todoroki in that he is in some ways a surrogate son to replace Toya. He and Dabi are similar in age and foils to each other. Keigo Takami is the unwanted accidental child of a petty crook and his accomplice, born out of wedlock in squalor, abused and neglected, whose life was turned around when he was saved by Endeavor. He is railroaded onto the path of becoming a hero because his Quirk (a powerful combination of his parents' that came about naturally) was so powerful. As an adult, the hero Hawks is the Number Two Hero, and enjoys a close partnership with Endeavor, who is his personal idol. Toya Todoroki is the product of a eugenics experiment between Enji Todoroki, a rising star in the hero world, and Rei Himura, a respectable lady. Toya was born into a wealthy family with the explicit goal of surpassing All Might, and his life started falling apart because of Endeavor's ambitions. His dreams of becoming a hero are sabotaged because his Quirk (a Fire Quirk for a body made to handle Ice) is self-destructive, even though he was born specifically to try and aim for an overpowered self-balancing Quirk. As an adult, the villain Dabi is one of Japan's most wanted as one of the League of Villains, and his singular goal is killing Endeavor and ruining his legacy, the father and hero whom he hates more than anything.
Re-Destro is the one who is distributing the detnarat weapons, it was explained in episode 14 and we first saw it in season 5 with the guys who were robbing people purses and wallets.
Although I do somewhat agree with the parallels between Hawks and shigaraki childhood I'm just going to say it hawks had it worse then shigaraki well on the abuse side of things I mean cuz I mean shigaraki accidentally ended up killing his entire family and I'm not trying to say that's not as bad I'm just saying that the abuse they suffered in their family is a pretty big difference
The support items are either from underground sources or from DETNERAT aka the company ReDestro was CEO of, which was the leading company for support items.
Says a lot that this episode was named after the Todoroki family but it's 80% about Hawks LOL ❣️ He's basically part of the family at this point (also I keep joking about how Hawks will eventually marry Endeavor and become a Todoroki anyway because of his Endeavor themed "wedding ring" merch)
I don’t understand why so many people think it’s wrong to feel sorry for endeavor. Like what do they want? In a situation like this the damage is already done, and he’s trying his best to fix things which is all he can do. I’m not saying forget the past but being so vindictive doesn’t objectively benefit anyone. He’s still the number one hero, still saved more lives than any other hero (maybe excel all might in his prime) and he’s trying to repair as much damage that was done to the family as possible. Him suffering isn’t rlly beneficial to anyone except ppl who are very toxic like dabi. And looking at the backstory you can’t even put all the blame for dabi on endeavor, he was trying to keep his kid alive. I also think hawks is a parallel to dabi. It’s showing how different people handle adversity in a sense, because hawks who arguably had a significantly worse childhood than dabi, grew up to be the number two hero and the youngest to ever break top 10 (obviously with the help of those agents)
In the manga the toy not only glows but jumps out of his arms and starts running. Dunno why they didn't animate that. It's one of my favorite panels so that's a big letdown
Each episode this season just gets better and better! The whole final arc is intense, and I am so excited to see it all animated. On a side note, it may be true that retiring from being a hero is a bad decision here, but I think it also shows just how bleak and hopeless the whole situation seems. As someone who personally takes a lot of the blame and guilt upon myself for things, I can only imagine how it would feel like to face such animosity every single day while still trying to save lives as well as how taxing (mentally and physically) it would be to be faced with so many disasters that only get worse and worse. Reading this part of the manga just made my stomach drop, and they do such a good job in recreating that for the anime.
Love how Mickey just folds his arms and judges the decisions of people when he has no idea how it feels to go through that type of pain and suffering. Putting your life on the line and doing the best you can just to be ridiculed and insulted, You have 0 idea how that feels. They aren't quiting because they're scared or because they're too weak. They're quiting because it's too much. Some of the greatest heroes in fiction have given up because of situations JUST LIKE THIS. For example when Spiderman threw his suit away. So quiting a job you know you can no longer preform instead of continuing and possibly getting innocent people hurt or even doing irreparable damage to your own psyche IS noble.
Hero’s don’t know about villains until someone calls in. And the two groups attacking each other probably didn’t call so bystanders called once there fight already began.
the support items are from redestro's company in my villain academia redestro talked about how they already started to prepare the people for revolution by selling the support items to the public
This is the episode where it truly sets in. People have almost entirely given up on heroes. Understandably so. I will bring up 2 simple nitpicks. 1 is the title of the episode. This was a Hawks episode. No two ways about it. But it’s named after the Todoroki Family. The 2nd is ONE line change. Best Jeanist when discussing Hawk’s mother actually says “That’s rough buddy.” STRAIGHT out of Avatar the Last Airbender. (This is exclusive to the particular translation I read before you point it out.) But I’ll live with “Fiber on!” As suitable mocking the fantastic four. (From the sub, not dub.) These are BARELY nitpicks but ones I felt were noticeable enough to bring up. Normally I don’t just to be positively analyzing. So let’s start the proper analysis. Hawk’s family MIGHT just surpass that of the Shimura family and the Todoroki family in dysfunction. My god, I’ve never seen such active verbal abuse. “Why were you born.” Dear god I just can’t. Not with the kids. The father is one thing as an ACTUAL villain, but the mom is just BROKEN. She’s like a husk. For Hawk’s main inspiration being because Endeavor ARRESTED HIS DAD. These weren’t even people. They were icons until one actually SOLVED a direct problem of his. And the irony of Endeavor inadvertently solving daddy issues by removing the dad from the situation. XD that is just perfect. Tomie Takami’s quirk is the floating eyes she can control at will. So that’s where Hawk’s feather control comes from. The “dad” has feathers on his arm though. Hawks is quite lucky with genetics. But I guess all heroes are. But now we get into the broken society. Without trained professionals that specialize in preventing casualties all hell just breaks loose. Everyone just falls apart thinking they have to solve the problems because heroes can’t. Retirement after retirement now that the acting part of this job is so thoroughly destroyed. It’s not the same job it was. And I think people are too rough on #9. That was a man I actually believe was going to retire after the war mission as is. He LOOKS like it’s time to retire. But now that this has all occurred he is being scorned. But now that Wash has ACTUALLY BEEN FORCED TO TALK because of the horrendous mess of the situation, I don’t think these show off heroes were going to make it. This is what Stain has been telling people for SO long. His actions were awful and carried out wrong, but his analysis of the title hero was right. So many were JUST there for the glory. And while his murdering was too far, he DID prove the heroes were being lax when he made them wary. But he did this in such a fashion that the public would NOT be hurt. So that’s why it’s so up in the air what side he will be for here. He’s a GIGANTIC wild card that just…puts lots of lives at stake. He was in Tartarus for a reason. And then there’s the pressure practically all being put on Endeavor. (But also All-Might. Which is why AFO didn’t kill him in season 3. Once AFO was conscious again after the United States of Smash, All-Might was wide open and AFO could have escaped before being escorted to Tartarus. But he didn’t. And by forcing the retirement, the public now sees All-Might as NOT there. Which is HORRIFIC.) Meanwhile Endeavor has to deal with the pressure DIRECTLY. And he’s thinking his hero time is up. Not even for the public not liking him. That was fragile affection as is. He just CAN’T fight Touya. He can’t bring himself to fight in a way that could endanger his family. He’s already done SO MUCH. And it breaks him. But there’s actual REPRESSED MEMORIES involved with Touya. And it’s so much that REI has taken it upon herself to support him. Bringing in the very flower he always did to tell her he was thinking of her. Natsuo, Fuyumi, SHOOOOOOTTTOOOOOO, ALL OF THEM. This has been a long time coming. An in-depth conversation of their family. And let’s just get this outta the way now. She’s here to settle the family drama. But the fact this woman STILL goes by the name Rei Todoroki, and ALL OF THEM still have his name. That is just the ultimate test for their family. They are STILL family no matter how strained they are. This episode was DARK. Messed up. And I am REALLY admiring Jiro’s family and Uraraka’s family right about now. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE to have such purely loving families with true unconditional love to the depths of EVERYTHING when we have to so FREQUENTLY study family NIGHTMARES. I’d bring up Deku and Bakugo’s families but there are cracks there too. I just can’t get enough of this arc. It is SO gripping I adore it.
They shouldve called this episode “Story of Hawks”. It had like 2% to do with the Todoroki’s But yeah, Hero Society is lucky Hawks was a good kid because he could have grown up to be the most dangerous villian ever
I mean they always name the episode after one of the manga chapters that it adapted so the only two possible names for it were "Like Those Tragic Tales" or this
The dub voice actors FUCKING KILLED IT this episdoe. If every anime dub was this good consistently even *I* would have a hard time watching subs over dubs. Sadly, you rarely get episodes this good, let alone entire animes.
Actually they can just quit because heroism became a job that people did and just like with any other job you can’t force someone to stay at that just by just saying you need to move forward especially when people are treating you like the villain for mistakes you made and I know those mistakes came at the expense of lives being lost but at the same time the hero’s are still just human beings and they messed up so yeah I can see why most of them are leaving
Micky's been mentioning The Departed so many times you gotta react to the movie at this point hehe. Best Scorsese movie post-Goodfellas imo. Wolf and Irishman are close seconds.
the face that endavor has next episode really scares me i mean love endavor and his character and try to defend him but the face he has next episode damn
Fun Fact: In the manga... Right before the Todoroki family came in, Endeavour said “ I sniffed a fart last night” which implies that the Doctor put the wrong oxygen mask on him, it was actually one of the nurses quirk that turns oxygen into...
21:51 Re Destro's company made and distributed support items for everyone to use. Even than cider villain had one when he was caught by todo and baku getting their hero licenses.
It’s weird that Endeavor, a domestic abuser, unknowingly saved Hawks from an abusive household. Irony aside, it really goes to show how hypocritical hero society can be. 😅
It's more like how ironic life could be.
FUN FACT in the manga instead of just glowing, the Endeavor toy ran off in sort of a "COME ON FOLLOW ME" gesture to show him a way to freedom, and it's SO CUTE and so silly and I know why they didn't do it, but still. If you are able to find the image of the little Endeavor plush running, it's adorable.
I don’t understand why the public is surprised heroes are quitting when people are literally throwing debris at the ones still risking their lives by dealing with crime everywhere. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Because society is entitled. That's kind of the whole point of MHA. Society just assumes heroes can and will do everything, so they can't even help little kids (like Shigaraki) because of it.
It's hard not to have a knee-jerk reaction and just say screw the people.
Honestly it’s pretty true to life
@@kaxewdisco3594 But it's more to it than that. Their society's government made quirks a status symbol by outlawing their use for the public and only allowing heroes, certified by the government, to use them in public. This was the whole reason groups like Deterrnet and the Liberation Army got popular. Most people in their world had quirks and the laws were oppressive, not letting a person that naturally can fly do so just because some in the past misused their quirks.
It reminds me the issue of gun ownership in that many countries don't allow citizens to have firearms while the government(police and military) are allowed to use them on the very public they serve.
@@kaxewdisco3594Illustrated even further when the people start berating and throwing stuff at Wash for arriving after the destruction happened, despite the fact that is completely unreasonable for heroes to somehow be there on the spot to stop crime before it happens and the fact that the collateral damage was specifically because civilians took it upon themselves to fight in the way they did.
It's easy to empathize with public frustration because it comes from a place of grief and loss in a world full of fantastical heroes and having been in an era of peace for years. But it also shows the severe flaws with the system when shit does start to go down because, end of the day, heroes are only human as well. They can do so much but can only do so much.
Zeno Robinson gave such a good performance this episode. Especially at the end when he takes off his respirator. You could feel Hawk's despair through his voice.
"This show's getting bleak."
Next episode: 🤐
Seriously though, no one miss next week's episode!
its going to be very hard especialy for endavor fans
Feathers + Floating eyes turn out in a great quirk, Wings with floating feathers that work as eyes
21:32 - *Detnerat* as *Redestro's* company. S5 cut out much of his formal introduction from manga with his company to make this connection clearer. Also flashback in S6 ep 14 with Redestro meeting hero safety commission mentions his company with their items to try to make deal with safety commission, but disguised as a surprise attack. Redestro using Twice clone mentions that the seeds of revolution have been sown, in this case, this also relates to the support item supplies the public could have bought on the market from Detnerat.
NO SPOILERS. If anyone wants to know more about the support item distribution as well as Re-Destro's proper introduction, check out chapter 278 - The Meta Liberation Army. This content was cut from last season possibly because it was too dark. It's good stuff though, and probably won't be added back later on.
@@shir0azure339 how are they going to cut that out when we already seen so much darkness in this show😒 it been dark since season 4
@Obie Oguejiofor I don't think it was because of that because Shigaraki decaying family was worst of it, but because they just cut time for villain arc in S5 in general.
If you guys loved this episode, the next one will be better! Can't wait until the next monday! ❄🔥
@@allmightylowercasejay1138 cool
@@allmightylowercasejay1138what were the changes?
They say the hero creates the villain. But it’s worse when you’re enemy is part of your family. But seriously, I feel bad for Endeavor. I can’t imagine the amount of guilt he must feel.
I gotta say, while I know the amount of guilt he feels must be indescribable, I can’t feel that bad for him. This really is a literal case of “you made your bed, now go sleep in it.”
I get that he’s changed, but it’s also kinda hard for me to care. In some ways, it feels like too little too late, especially for atoning.
@Natsuo Todoroki and Endeavor could literally give the middle finger to all the people he's saved and will save. In reality, he's more than made up for his "crimes" cause he hasn't done anything actually illegal. Moraly questionable earlier in his life, sure. But he's not solely responsible. His wife and children also made morally questionable decisions that didn't help anything. I think people come at this in bad faith even when they see him trying to be better. Like that's the point of redemption.
@@MattPhannyPack “He hasn’t done anything actually illegal.” Yeah, I’m gonna stop you right there. Domestic abuse and child neglect are extremely serious crimes that can land people in prison for a really long amount of time.
And no, him saving people hasn’t made up for anything. If anything, I’d say it’s extremely hypocritical for a former abuser who’s faced no legal consequences for his actions to have the authority to arrest people.
And for the rest of the family “making morally question” decisions, basically all of those decisions were made exclusively because of him. Plus, I’m not even gonna touch on how messed up it is to blame abused kids for not making good decisions that effect the situation well.
Also, while I used to be onboard with his whole atonement shtick, I can’t in good conscience say he’s done much beyond the bare minimum.
Sorry for ranting on for so long, but I really don’t think I’m the one coming at this with “bad faith.” 😅
@Natsuo Todoroki no you are coming in bad faith because your argument is emotionally charged. Most of the harm endeavor caused to his family was mental. I think he hit his wife once from what they show us, and we see him obviously training shoto when shotos on the ground having thrown up. These are literally the only two events where Endeavor was physically too rough with his family. So I'm not sure if that makes him a domestic abuser. But, let's say i agree with you and he is... that also makes his wife a domestic abuser for burning Shoto lol. It doesn't really matter how she was feeling because she could clearly see that was Shoto and not Endeavor. Verbal abuse/emotional abuse aren't crimes. we just consider them morally wrong. He's an a-hole but an incredible hero with an impeccable track record who has saved more lives than he's harmed.
Child neglect also isn't gonna stick because the only things his kids went without were his love and presence, and while I dont advocate for that because it sucks, it's not a crime. It's more like absenteeism.
Also, it really doesn't matter that you think he's a hypocrite. He's still right there under All Might in terms of his heroism. You can't take that away from him. The fact is, if endeavor wasn't around, the world that they live in would probably have already dissented into chaos the moment All Might retired. Therefore, Endeavor's deeds accumulate to well over a net positive. Your "feelings" towards him being a hypocrite are kinda irrelevant in that respect, respectfully 👍🏾
@@MattPhannyPack Honestly, I’m not even coming at this too emotionally. It’s just a lot of your points about how abuse works, both scientifically and legally, are just factually incorrect. Just for the record yes, hitting a family member once does qualify as domestic abuse. That’s not even mentioning his mental abuse, which child neglect does qualify as, and people have been known to get up to five years for that. Also, people really like to leave out the par that the only reason mom burned Shoto was because of Endeavor driving her towards a mental breakdown. And funnily enough, she actually faced legal consequences for that. More than him anyways.
Also, while “saving more than he’s harmed” is enough to legally compensate him from going to prison, my point is that he seems to be perfectly okay with that for someone who supposedly feels overwhelming guilt for what he did. Call it “irrelevant” all you’d like, but in my eyes, if he really wanted to atone, the least he could do is except every consequence for what he did. Legal consequences included. The fact that he barely even acknowledges that really puts things into perspective for me. Sure, this is where things become more emotionally charged, but like, that’s gonna happen regardless. His “redemption” is almost completely emotionally charged anyway. Regardless, even if I were to completely put those emotions aside, it still doesn’t change how corrupt this is in legal terms.
So long story short, I really feel like you should look up the legality of what he did, as well as what qualifies as domestic abuse, because respectfully, you really don’t seem to understand how any of that works.
I love Stain posing with his sword like in Vigilantes :)
Midoryia talking to the predecessors, pretty much be like he downloading the new power updates.
oh and btw that Cyder House guy was the villain that Todoroki and Bakugou captured right after they got their licenses, no one ever remembers that dude lmao
I'd always thought that was the ice guy that follows ReDestro but it makes more sense for it to be Cyder House
I feel like they should have named this episode “Like Those Tragic Tales” (the name of the Hawks chapter in the manga). And kept the name of the next episode the same! But I’m sure they wanted to keep that Hellish Todoroki Family tagline at the end haha…
Anyway, I loved this episode. This season is probably my favourite so far, just so much exciting action and development for so many characters. Reading this cemented Hawks and Endeavour as my 3rd and 2nd fave characters (right behind Deku). It’s amazing seeing the parallels between characters like Shouto, Hawks and Deku, and how they all ended up despite the unfortunate upbringing they had as children.
Very excited for y’all to get into the nitty gritty of the Todoroki Chaos next week!
This wasn't shown in the series but Wash actually saved dozens during Shigaraki's mass decay by floating beds in bubbles above the ground. His bubbles are hella strong, and he can disinfect wounds. That + his ad popularity is why he's #8, he's a top tier rescue hero and you see his influence on Koda in the last episode for mass rescue operations since Koda and iirc Manga trained with him.
they forgot
Es que el anime ni explica bien su Quirk, he revisado y no lo explican del todo y se saltan partes como esta que en la séptima temporada era muy importante recordar
If y'all love the todoroki family, you will absolutely love next episode!
NO SPOILERS. If you want to know more about the support item distribution as well as Re-Destro's proper introduction, check out chapter 218 - The Meta Liberation Army. This content was cut from last season possibly because it was too dark. It's good stuff though, and probably won't be added back later on.
Merry-Go-Round by MAN WITH A MISSION was the second season five opening, that included training with Endeavor and My Villain Academy arcs. KANA-BOON sang the opening for the Gentle Criminal/School Festival arc.
11:35 not sure if you remember but that villain was from the old episode where Bakugo and todoroki first got their provisional licenses in s5
It's interesting to see that this episode reveals some more of the socio-economic aspects of the hero society. All Might is mainly a hero for middle-class kids like Deku and Bakugo whereas kids like Hawks couldn't even afford to idolise All Might to that degree.
The episode name actually does work tho. The title is dropped at the end of the manga chapter when Rei comes in just like in the episode. Even though the manga's previous chapter covers Hawks I'm glad they fit him in for the episode since he's very related to the Todoroki family. Endeavor was a beacon of hope to Hawks but like the story of Icarus, he flew too close to the sun (by the sun it could mean either Endeavor or his son Dabi) and was burned
When Dabi said “ I sniffed a fart last night” I cried
What 😅
and when Shoto said “it’s sniffing time” i got so hype
@@madhavagarwal6110 looks like you skipped the intro
Haha that's a good way to tell you didn't skip intro
Literal chills
God man anything with endeavor is always so cherry, the man has solidified himself as my favorite character in this show.
It’s called Part 2 because the whole episode is the fallout of the Hellish Todoroki family- Hawk’s origins, the collapse of society and finally endeavor’s guilt finally getting to him ending with the family all coming together to discuss
Fun fact : Hawk's backstory was inspired by Lionel Messi.
One of the editor's of MHA confirmed it in a interview
the soccer player?
Re-destro's company are the ones supplying the public with these crazy support items
Endeavor: I feel so awful. So terrible. This anguish is eating me up. I can't take it.
Rei: Imagine how tired we are. Imagine how tired we are of it
Re-Destro would be so proud. Citizens are now using support items rather than relying on heroes.
Little fun fact, there was a very hilarious panel that was unfortunately cut from the anime. When Hawks was talking about the Nomu being a problem, the panel was all of the Nomu we'd seen so far pointing at themselves asking, "Me?"
Very tragic that it didn't make it into the anime. On a serious note, Hawks was someone who worshipped Endeavor. Who flew too fast and too close towards the sun. It's only fitting that the son is also the one that burned him his wings. He truly is like Icarus. Now the entire family is together. Well, almost all of them. Ready to talk about how everything went wrong. And how Toya became who he is today.
Overall this was a massive win for the villains and things have never been worse. Even the todorokis overcome their trauma to come together because toya needs to be taken down.
NO SPOILERS. If anyone wants to know more about the support item distribution as well as Re-Destro's proper introduction, check out chapter 218 - The Meta Liberation Army. This content was cut from last season possibly because it was too dark. It's good stuff though, and probably won't be added back later on.
ReDestro would be happy.
Endeavor crying is really heartbreaking
Anybody says the dub actors don’t try as much as the sub actors. May I present this episode. Hawks shows his range by adding that rasp to his voice which probably killed his voice. And endeavor was on point. Dub haters can leave because this was 🔥!!!
The always lovely Rana sinking down on down couch at the end of the episode being dissapointed for not giving more info on the Todoroki family with the name of the episode was adorable.
Shoto’s number one fan should have something to hold on too and somethings just in case tears 😢happen in the next my hero episode. Because it is very let’s just say real. That is all I am going to say.
That No 9 Hero who retired, they didn't want to say it, but he meant it literally when he said falling on his own sword.
He was a samurai themed hero and he was wearing the traditional seppuku robes.
He probably felt like he failed the people.
Nah. The anime cut it out, but when he quit in the manga, there was a thought bubble from him that said he only became a hero for fame and fortune. He doesn't care about failing the people. He was just trying to quit before shit got worse.
@@meijinx9673 Oh shiz🤣
That's actually the Hawks manga panel that I'm getting tattooed to accompany my Endeavor tattoo, it's the one of Hawks hugging his Endeavor doll after he says "I need to help Endeavor, he's in trouble".
These two are my favorite characters, the main reason I read MHA now.
Also this is my favorite episode, and manga chapters.
Hawks is actually a foil for Dabi. Similar circumstances, but they decided to do completely different things. It's because, in a way Horikoshi is trying to say, upbringing influences who you are, but it's what you choose to do that matters, you are not your circumstances.
Als, Endeavor was a terrible father, but he is a fantastic hero, always has been, which is why Hawks admires him.
I wanted to see Chris reaction to the citizenship rising up and fighting for themselves.
This season has been amazing. Your reactions has been amazing as well. Thank you for reacting to my favorite anime😊
Season 6 is great
The whole episode is showing the strain that endeavour has to recover from and the whole story was about endeavours impact on hawks and the civilians so it makes sense that it’s about the todoroki family since him and dabi caused this
I love the entire Todoroki family storyline. Best part of MHA
yeah stain was a "blink and miss it" escapee cuz tbh we haven't seen him since s2 tho he's mentioned constantly. It's easy to just not think of him at all
The title of this episode is weird considering it's about hawks but I love the hawks jeanist duo lol
Simple explanation: It's called The Hellish Todoroki Family Part II because it was the title of an associated chapter around this part which is the most interesting/eye-catching title
Crackpot theory: Hawks is kind of an honorary Todoroki in that he is in some ways a surrogate son to replace Toya. He and Dabi are similar in age and foils to each other.
Keigo Takami is the unwanted accidental child of a petty crook and his accomplice, born out of wedlock in squalor, abused and neglected, whose life was turned around when he was saved by Endeavor. He is railroaded onto the path of becoming a hero because his Quirk (a powerful combination of his parents' that came about naturally) was so powerful. As an adult, the hero Hawks is the Number Two Hero, and enjoys a close partnership with Endeavor, who is his personal idol.
Toya Todoroki is the product of a eugenics experiment between Enji Todoroki, a rising star in the hero world, and Rei Himura, a respectable lady. Toya was born into a wealthy family with the explicit goal of surpassing All Might, and his life started falling apart because of Endeavor's ambitions. His dreams of becoming a hero are sabotaged because his Quirk (a Fire Quirk for a body made to handle Ice) is self-destructive, even though he was born specifically to try and aim for an overpowered self-balancing Quirk. As an adult, the villain Dabi is one of Japan's most wanted as one of the League of Villains, and his singular goal is killing Endeavor and ruining his legacy, the father and hero whom he hates more than anything.
"I sucked a fart last night" looool that Rana stare
timestamp?
0:48 for quote and 0:21 for stare
Rana really has to be there for next week xD
Never clicked on anything so fast! 💜
Same
Oh yeah. Lot's of tears coming next week...
I mean, can you imagine running around when your hero costume is a washing machine? Probably really heavy and cumbersome.
Re-Destro is the one who is distributing the detnarat weapons, it was explained in episode 14 and we first saw it in season 5 with the guys who were robbing people purses and wallets.
I read a comment calling Jeanist's vehicle the "Lambo-Jeanie"
The comany that gave people the majority of the support items for years before the war even started is Detnerat. The company Re-Destro owns.
Although I do somewhat agree with the parallels between Hawks and shigaraki childhood I'm just going to say it hawks had it worse then shigaraki well on the abuse side of things I mean cuz I mean shigaraki accidentally ended up killing his entire family and I'm not trying to say that's not as bad I'm just saying that the abuse they suffered in their family is a pretty big difference
Why the comparison to begin with? lol
@@raec5426 I don't know I'm just going off what they said in the video
The support items are either from underground sources or from DETNERAT aka the company ReDestro was CEO of, which was the leading company for support items.
Stain out here doing his best Eraser cosplay
If I'm risking my life and this is how the public treats me, I'll quit too.
Excited to continue these reactions. What a great season 😄
Wonderful English dubbing in this episode 🔥
Says a lot that this episode was named after the Todoroki family but it's 80% about Hawks LOL ❣️ He's basically part of the family at this point (also I keep joking about how Hawks will eventually marry Endeavor and become a Todoroki anyway because of his Endeavor themed "wedding ring" merch)
I don’t understand why so many people think it’s wrong to feel sorry for endeavor. Like what do they want? In a situation like this the damage is already done, and he’s trying his best to fix things which is all he can do. I’m not saying forget the past but being so vindictive doesn’t objectively benefit anyone. He’s still the number one hero, still saved more lives than any other hero (maybe excel all might in his prime) and he’s trying to repair as much damage that was done to the family as possible. Him suffering isn’t rlly beneficial to anyone except ppl who are very toxic like dabi. And looking at the backstory you can’t even put all the blame for dabi on endeavor, he was trying to keep his kid alive.
I also think hawks is a parallel to dabi. It’s showing how different people handle adversity in a sense, because hawks who arguably had a significantly worse childhood than dabi, grew up to be the number two hero and the youngest to ever break top 10 (obviously with the help of those agents)
Can't believe we had to wait four seasons to see amazing characters like Slidin' Go and Glutton God
08:14. The real batman of MHA will come few episodes later. You guys will love him.
Rena just emotionally drained at the end 😂😂😂😂
In the manga the toy not only glows but jumps out of his arms and starts running. Dunno why they didn't animate that. It's one of my favorite panels so that's a big letdown
"Staind looked way different" He was wearing different clothes -_-
Each episode this season just gets better and better! The whole final arc is intense, and I am so excited to see it all animated.
On a side note, it may be true that retiring from being a hero is a bad decision here, but I think it also shows just how bleak and hopeless the whole situation seems. As someone who personally takes a lot of the blame and guilt upon myself for things, I can only imagine how it would feel like to face such animosity every single day while still trying to save lives as well as how taxing (mentally and physically) it would be to be faced with so many disasters that only get worse and worse. Reading this part of the manga just made my stomach drop, and they do such a good job in recreating that for the anime.
im not typing that
Love how Mickey just folds his arms and judges the decisions of people when he has no idea how it feels to go through that type of pain and suffering.
Putting your life on the line and doing the best you can just to be ridiculed and insulted, You have 0 idea how that feels.
They aren't quiting because they're scared or because they're too weak. They're quiting because it's too much.
Some of the greatest heroes in fiction have given up because of situations JUST LIKE THIS. For example when Spiderman threw his suit away.
So quiting a job you know you can no longer preform instead of continuing and possibly getting innocent people hurt or even doing irreparable damage to your own psyche IS noble.
The one making those support items I think is Detnerat, owned by Re-Destro. We've briefly seen something about it on TV or something.
Jesus, the dub killed it this episode!
I'm not saying what he told me to say cuz...no but I did not skip the intro 0:51
This episode was SO good.
Hero’s don’t know about villains until someone calls in. And the two groups attacking each other probably didn’t call so bystanders called once there fight already began.
the support items are from redestro's company in my villain academia redestro talked about how they already started to prepare the people for revolution by selling the support items to the public
This is the episode where it truly sets in. People have almost entirely given up on heroes. Understandably so.
I will bring up 2 simple nitpicks. 1 is the title of the episode. This was a Hawks episode. No two ways about it. But it’s named after the Todoroki Family. The 2nd is ONE line change. Best Jeanist when discussing Hawk’s mother actually says “That’s rough buddy.” STRAIGHT out of Avatar the Last Airbender. (This is exclusive to the particular translation I read before you point it out.) But I’ll live with “Fiber on!” As suitable mocking the fantastic four. (From the sub, not dub.) These are BARELY nitpicks but ones I felt were noticeable enough to bring up. Normally I don’t just to be positively analyzing.
So let’s start the proper analysis. Hawk’s family MIGHT just surpass that of the Shimura family and the Todoroki family in dysfunction. My god, I’ve never seen such active verbal abuse. “Why were you born.” Dear god I just can’t. Not with the kids. The father is one thing as an ACTUAL villain, but the mom is just BROKEN. She’s like a husk. For Hawk’s main inspiration being because Endeavor ARRESTED HIS DAD. These weren’t even people. They were icons until one actually SOLVED a direct problem of his. And the irony of Endeavor inadvertently solving daddy issues by removing the dad from the situation. XD that is just perfect. Tomie Takami’s quirk is the floating eyes she can control at will. So that’s where Hawk’s feather control comes from. The “dad” has feathers on his arm though. Hawks is quite lucky with genetics. But I guess all heroes are.
But now we get into the broken society. Without trained professionals that specialize in preventing casualties all hell just breaks loose. Everyone just falls apart thinking they have to solve the problems because heroes can’t. Retirement after retirement now that the acting part of this job is so thoroughly destroyed. It’s not the same job it was. And I think people are too rough on #9. That was a man I actually believe was going to retire after the war mission as is. He LOOKS like it’s time to retire. But now that this has all occurred he is being scorned.
But now that Wash has ACTUALLY BEEN FORCED TO TALK because of the horrendous mess of the situation, I don’t think these show off heroes were going to make it. This is what Stain has been telling people for SO long. His actions were awful and carried out wrong, but his analysis of the title hero was right. So many were JUST there for the glory. And while his murdering was too far, he DID prove the heroes were being lax when he made them wary. But he did this in such a fashion that the public would NOT be hurt. So that’s why it’s so up in the air what side he will be for here. He’s a GIGANTIC wild card that just…puts lots of lives at stake. He was in Tartarus for a reason.
And then there’s the pressure practically all being put on Endeavor. (But also All-Might. Which is why AFO didn’t kill him in season 3. Once AFO was conscious again after the United States of Smash, All-Might was wide open and AFO could have escaped before being escorted to Tartarus. But he didn’t. And by forcing the retirement, the public now sees All-Might as NOT there. Which is HORRIFIC.) Meanwhile Endeavor has to deal with the pressure DIRECTLY. And he’s thinking his hero time is up. Not even for the public not liking him. That was fragile affection as is. He just CAN’T fight Touya. He can’t bring himself to fight in a way that could endanger his family. He’s already done SO MUCH. And it breaks him. But there’s actual REPRESSED MEMORIES involved with Touya. And it’s so much that REI has taken it upon herself to support him. Bringing in the very flower he always did to tell her he was thinking of her. Natsuo, Fuyumi, SHOOOOOOTTTOOOOOO, ALL OF THEM. This has been a long time coming. An in-depth conversation of their family. And let’s just get this outta the way now. She’s here to settle the family drama. But the fact this woman STILL goes by the name Rei Todoroki, and ALL OF THEM still have his name. That is just the ultimate test for their family. They are STILL family no matter how strained they are.
This episode was DARK. Messed up. And I am REALLY admiring Jiro’s family and Uraraka’s family right about now. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE to have such purely loving families with true unconditional love to the depths of EVERYTHING when we have to so FREQUENTLY study family NIGHTMARES. I’d bring up Deku and Bakugo’s families but there are cracks there too. I just can’t get enough of this arc. It is SO gripping I adore it.
The next two episodes are my favorite of the season
They shouldve called this episode “Story of Hawks”. It had like 2% to do with the Todoroki’s
But yeah, Hero Society is lucky Hawks was a good kid because he could have grown up to be the most dangerous villian ever
Hawks is basically an honorary Todoroki
I mean they always name the episode after one of the manga chapters that it adapted so the only two possible names for it were "Like Those Tragic Tales" or this
so you didn't notice the parallels between hawks and toya? as in they are opposited of the same endeavor coin.
@@mustardyboi4187 That would be Deku
@@bondbond5397 Both of them are, as is Bakugo, lol.
Yooo can not wait until thing's get more intense
The dub voice actors FUCKING KILLED IT this episdoe. If every anime dub was this good consistently even *I* would have a hard time watching subs over dubs. Sadly, you rarely get episodes this good, let alone entire animes.
Actually they can just quit because heroism became a job that people did and just like with any other job you can’t force someone to stay at that just by just saying you need to move forward especially when people are treating you like the villain for mistakes you made and I know those mistakes came at the expense of lives being lost but at the same time the hero’s are still just human beings and they messed up so yeah I can see why most of them are leaving
Thank god Chris isn’t missing the next ep
"To Be Continued"-san's onii-chan, "Bad Timing"-kun!
Micky's been mentioning The Departed so many times you gotta react to the movie at this point hehe. Best Scorsese movie post-Goodfellas imo. Wolf and Irishman are close seconds.
I’m here to comment about what was said at 0:42. Why am I commenting about this you asked, because I didn’t skip the intro to this video. 👍
This feels like hawks story than the todoroki family
I was waiting for this for so longggg 😭 thanks
the face that endavor has next episode really scares me i mean love endavor and his character and try to defend him but the face he has next episode damn
Endeavor must be crying cause he sniffed a fart last night, but Shoto couldn't stand that shit so he slammed the door
I am not retyping what you said at 0:48
Todoroki family dynamics be staying interesting. Also, *I sucked a fart last night*.
I didn't skip the intro :).
Keeping up with the Todorokis again
How would Spider-Man(Marvel Comics) and his rogues gallery of villains fare in the My Hero Academia universe?
The one thing I love about my hero is that the sub and dub are so good 🔥 sub is still a lot better but the dub is definitely one of the best out there
Just as I thought. The villains has won this Paranormal Liberation War as the citizens has lost their faith in the heroes.
12:13 Honestly, I believe guns would have been better then using this random support gear. Most people with powers ain’t bullet proof.
This episode was awesome the voice acting was insane!
cant wait for you guys to get to the next episodes everyone sniffed some farts last night there..
Fun Fact: In the manga... Right before the Todoroki family came in, Endeavour said “ I sniffed a fart last night” which implies that the Doctor put the wrong oxygen mask on him, it was actually one of the nurses quirk that turns oxygen into...
I think Bakugo is a Tsundere
"I sucked a fart last night", only because i was playing a game whilst watching this
Talking about OPs, I'd recommend the season one OP
This is why mha is peak it not end
Don’t think they delayed it for this episode. They likely delayed it for the next one. That shit is fucking nuts
Lambo-jeanie mobile. Credit to whoever made that bc i do not remember