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“Like ranged units ignoring cav damage”
- laughs in Lothern Sea Guard.
The blunderbussy gets a early game chuckle
Shame stonehorns weren’t on the list. They can literally solo all-infantry armies with their charge animation.
And it must retreat quickly before get struck or being stabbed to route
What's scarier than a warewolf running at you, an armored warewolf running at you. Love Skinwolves and Armored Skinwolves are amazing.
Warewolfs are pretty scary always selling me cheap jeans they swear are vintage. At least normal werewolves just shut up and kill me.
Damn near eat all cavalry alive
While playing Taurox I had a doomstack of minotaurs and Ghorgons, shield minotaurs were the bulk of the army and they helped approaching castles without taking as much damage while sieges.
Minotaurs just body anything and everything with the right perks. Seeing the little humans get flung was the best part
@@wizardofdoge2503i do love when they have cow print too, their stomach shields look like udders too with 4 points
And what's crazy is that some of these units like the kddai and the minotaurs can be buffed by certain leaders or like the kddai Destroyer it can be buffed All To Hell by the hell Forge, absolutely amazing
Tree kins from wood elfs can be horrendiously strong if you get them upgrades from red line and tech tree. I think they are the only tier two unit that you can use to win against two endgame armies with practically no losess
Armoured (and regular) skinwolves are my absolute favourite of all units in the game. The combination of speed, AP, Frenzy, Regeneration and overall endurance is so satisfying, going back to anything feels like a letdown.
Brood Horrors are my jam in every single Throt playthrough. Give them two mutations, bare minimum- the one that makes them unspottable, and the one that gives them that AoE attack which can gut an infantry blob. Combine that with the Brood Horror's amazing speed, and congratulations! You've just invented Throt's answer to Ikit's Doomrocket.
I thought that 'Monster units' would includ Monstruous Cavalry, which would make Bull Centaurs number 1, since they beat even Minotaurs.
Bull centaurs were the bane of my ogre existence
Good Video 👍
If i had to make my own list for MP I'd say.
1. Mutalith Votex Beast
2. Khorne Minotaur Great Weapons
3. Minotaur Great Weapons
4. Soulgrinder of Tzeentch
5. Armored Chaos Trolls
6. Skin Wolves
7. Vargeists
8. Elemental Incarnate
9. Jabberslyth
10. Crypt Horrors
Id love to see a challenge run where you can only use armies made of units that make these lists so its only the best and worst units in the game
Sounds bad
That’s not even possible unless you just skip to like turn 20 at least
Love your videos my guy!! Keep doing what ever makes you happy!
Appreciate the addition of chapters/bookmarks.
Great content bro! Absolutely loved it!
I've recently gotten back into playing this again and I've got to say I love stone trolls. My typical orc army is rushing trolls as quickly as possible for a stack with eight trolls, eleven orc boys, and my lord. then I replace the orc boyz with orc boy biguns and the trolls with stone trolls in the mid game, then late game I replaces biguns with black orcs but I take one unit of infantry and one unit of stone trolls and replace the two units with dual Arachnarok spiders. 9 times outta 10 I play the orcs like a literal battering ram and just mass great infantry and monsters to smash a front line to peices... unless the ai angers me then I go full Hannibal mode and make my army an even split of Orc boy biguns and bigun boar riders so I can encircle entire armies and massacre them for fun. it will never cease to amaze me how little defense the ai has against being encircled.
Does anyone else not agree with most of this list?
Yup.
Depends if your MP or SP and unit size but no this is nothing like my top 10
Yeah just fisihed my first beastmen Camp. And boi oh boy those Shielded Minotaurs are just the bomb.
The best part of the Tomb Scorpions is their animations. Their animations are insane and super useful for getting in and getting out, and even diving right past the front line.
Surprised Vortex beast didnt get in thanks to there constant AOE.
I love tomb scorpion animations, might make them my fav monster unit - the issue is, I don't find playing as tomb kings that much fun.
Watching this and having a think about what my personal top 10 would be has made me realise just how awesome all the monsters, monstrous cavalry, monstrous infantry and warbeasts are across all the factions! So many top tier beasts.
Personal favourite for me might be Jabberslythe though
Imo one of the strengths of tww and old whf is the prominence of ranked infantry and cavalry. The ever-increasing focus on large, flashy monsters kind of cheapens it. They look cool and sell, so fair enough, and I still think the game's awesome with a lot of monsters that fit really well, but the line between superhero/sigmar and whf/tww is easy to cross.
That tomb scorpion breaking formation is absolutely terrifying.
Good list, feel the Necrosphynx or Warkitty would belong here as well
Glad the Minotaurs made it to #1! They were always my top 1 beasts/monsters too!
That tomb scorpion is a lord!? Lol never seen that before.
Shame the Brood Horror doesn't explode on death like in tabletop and the explode on death ability is only available via Throt's lab.
What about the Thing Thing yes yes? Surely the hellpit abomination deserves a spot lol
What about Minotaurs of Khorne (Great Weapons)? While not as tanky as beast men Minotaurs, they perform quite well as a hard counter against late game large foes.
I expected the dread saurian would take the place of the engine of the gods tbh. They are fucken....brutal.
Ngl, stegadons are mvp in lizard campaigns.
Bull Centaur Renders. They're better than Dragon Ogres.
I still remember my doomstack of Brood Horror with Clan Moulder in Warhammer II mutating them into an explosive Brood Horror, I literally just line them up with the enemy infantry, then boom! instant win.😅
My favorite monsters in the game are Manticores. I love pretty much any flying monster unit, but I have a special place in my heart for Manticores.
I'm in the same boat but it's disappointing how few ways there are to buff them
Chaos Manitcore are pretty good
Aren't they the ones that go into rampage mode and get themselves killed super easy ? I've always found them an absolute nightmare and almost never recruit them. Chaos have much better flying units imo in blood thristers & lords of change. Although saying that putting your lords on manticores is fine because they are highly manoeuvrable and don't go into rampage.
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I don't like Harpies, but I love Malagor and Manticores.
They make really good mounts, but I avoid the feral ones.
Shielded minotaur really are the best. They have everything you could possibly want in a unit.
You should add in every Top Tier Video a Segment for Coolest X Unit :D and look at their Model/Animations etc.
Ironguts & Leadbelchers always get 200+ kills for me every battle. They are the chaff annihilators & pretty damn good vs single units
Ranged units being able to avoid cav damage. You mean like Fireglaives with their Expert Charge Defence?
K'daai fireborn are wonderful cavalry imo, send them from behind (doing so through the ability works too) and watch their 60x3 "devastating flanking" charge bonus absolutely remove any ranged units from the field, pretty fast, 30% ranged reduction + 35% ranged reflection chance, perfect vigor, what else do you really need?
man minotaurs are so great. surpprise not to see the skaven abominations tho. that thing just don't die.
Can we get a coolest most thematic monsters list soon big dog please? After the next patch perhaps?
they really need to improve the chaos spawn attack animations. they are basically useless. even with troops to armor them up. always better options.
I was about say there not going be another beastman DLC because we getting Chaos devoted Beastman unites (if thrones of change hint at anything about future of beastman) but there at least 2 more beastman who can be legendary lords and a legendary hero they can upgraded to legendary lord states.
You’re really making me miss the pre-patch Gorgers
best blob unit of all time, RIP the goat
No Dread Saurian?
Vortex beast is easily the best monster
Its ok
In MP, it is definitely the best
Good list tbh but:
- If u play nurgel (Kugath ... ) nothing beats a great unclean one, they should be number 1,2 and 3. They can have every nurgel spell twice(not with Festus and Daniel, only with Kugath ... and his proper Research tree )
- The Ancient Steagadon (with ...) gets almost useless after you can recruit skinks priest (yes, they have a number cap) at lvl 28 (= 14x lvl 3 big settelments).
-The Dread Saurian is 0.9 times as good as the K´Daai Destroyer, but Lizardmenn armies have a lot of healing, which makes the Dread Saurian better than the K´Daai Destroyer
-The Vortex beast is very strong too and deservs too be on the top 10 list, but will probably get a soft nerf , like most new dlc units.
The Great Unclean One should be nowhere close to this list
@@BacktoBack_Daishō yes he is above and beyond
LFG minotaurs for the win!! My absolute favorite mythological creature and unit in the game ever!!! The true Children of Chaos!!!
talking about how tanky Kdai Destroyers are as in the backround one ranged unit crossbowmen or jade crossbowmen take it to half life in 2 or 3 volleys
8:03 ...I am? Better go and fix that soon, seeing as how I'm in the middle of my 1st Orion campaign and all
vortex beast didn't make it to the list :(
Khorne Hounds can be stupidly strong. They are kinda of a glass cannon but brcause they are so small they can completely surround a single or small entity unit and eat them alive
Just saying, the Mutalith Vortex Beast is terrifying. The Mammoth is also a badass. Shame neither were here.
Mutalith #1
I've seen the Warhounds and immediately went "WAIT, WUT?!"
I mean, the intro is all about how exciting monsters are in the game, showing off exclusively single entities. And then we jump straight to doggos, which are small size models. For me, War Beasts (small sized ones at least) are a separate class of their own in this game. Should've clarified just what exactly is considered "monster" in this list.
Edit: ok, now that've I've finished watching the video, it has left a really weird impression. Mostly due to the fact that there are just SO MANY different units in TWW3, and right here you throw in M. Infantry, SEMs AND small-sized-models War Beasts into one comparison. I could understand throwing regular and monstrous cavalry together, but this is over the top. And the criteria are all over the place. Like, the intro starts about how mosters are exciting with their animations and looks, and then you go on about how a certain unit is just "good at its job while being nothing special" (which is basically the main criteria of your tier lists).
But my main beef is with mixing up the unit types. IMHO, War Beasts deserve their own respective tier list and have no place being here. I would understand Ice Wolves, because they are really just a war beast unit with monster-sized models. And they're really good at their job (also, I like wolfies). In the same vein, Monstrous Infantry and Single Entity Monsters should be in different tier lists. They function differently. Like, seriously, how can you compare in one bracket a unit of several antropomorphs the size of a horse/bull, with something that is always a single model and is the size of a small building?
Speaking about SEMs, how one can possible exclude War Mammoths? Ok, I may be overexcited due to currently playing a Norsca campaign, but come on. You say "Norsca", everyone immediately thinks Mammoths, and then, maybe, Skin Wolves (which are monstrous infantry, basically). They're extremely well-rounded. The funny thing is, I've recently found out that a Norscan Chaos Giant actually has more WS than a Mammoth. What makes the latter special are decent speed (and Colonel here obviously likes him some speed) and animations that allows it to trample and scatter even braced polearms units. It's a living battering ram, simple as is. And to put a cherry on top, they have a howdah with AP shooters on their backs, so a bit of ranged damage to boot.
TL;DR Mammoths are AWESOME, leaving them out of monster top tier list is a crime.
The Kislev Giant Spiders are the goat, once you unlock their dmg over time poison there is hardly anything in the game they can't handle.
A couple of points. Okay, a few more than a couple but no more than half a dozen.
1) Monstrous infantry / cavalry or plain monsters? Stuff like minos, trolls, dragon ogres, and hippie dragon ogres aren't really what most people would consider "monsters", are they? At least there's an argument whether they are or not and it would have improved the video if you had addressed why you included the monstrous stuff in your list, particularly since half your list are these kinds of units.
2) Kdai destroyer is basically a mechanical dread saurian. It isn't obvious why you'd include one and ignore the other. As units, they have essentially the same strengths and weaknesses.
3) Some monsters are strangely missing without even an honorable mention. Vortex beasts? The new beast elementals? Jabberslythes? Ghorgons? Dragon ogre shaggoths? Necrofex colossuses? Fully teched up changers of fate, great unclean ones, and keepers of secrets for their respective monogod factions? Treemen? Khemrian warsphinxes and their Ogre cousins, the stonehorns? The Lizardmen stable of stegadons and carnosaurs? All the various flavors of dragon? Phoenixes, particularly the disco version? Cathay sentinels? The humble chaos giant, now that Chaos has half-decent access to healing? Heck, Ancient Sally has finally gotten out of sickbed and now has a bit of spring in her step as well.
4) Dogs? Why dogs and not plague rats? But I mean, seriously, dogs??! In a monster top 10?
5) If we are going to throw monstrous type units into the list then it feels weird not to go over the three kinds that are actually legendary lord foundations, meaning ice trolls, sacred kroxigors, and war bear ruders. 15 of these + legendary lord + spellcaster + heroes is late game viable.
6) If we are going to throw monstrous units into the list then where are the bull centaurs? Where are the bloodcrushers and skullcrushers? The fiends of Slaanesh (okay, so they're not strictly top 10, but look at them, so cute and adorable, how can you leave them out your heartless, heartless person?) and Bretonnian royal hippos really should have had some form of mention as well.
Excuse me sir, are your sure about the poison warhounds? Their units card says theyre not monster units, but infantery size
The game lies to you quit often when t comes to their roles
I do not get it why destroyers are on the list and is that for multiplayer or for singleplayer?
Wait i thiught skin wolves were mostly used for their anti large
Also hounds are amazing . Use them in multiplayer battles
I think non-poison Wolfrats are better than poison hounds since they have AP and magic attacks
Wheres Dragon Ogre Shaggoths and Changer of Ways?
I have trouble with Rogue Idols
What is the best 300 gold fast moving unit? Warhounds, goblin wolf riders or someting else?
I think goblin Wolf riders are the only 300 gold fast moving unit..
I know that it's kind of cheating. . . But if we add campaign mechanics to the list, I'm quite positive that brood horrors take the cake. Cellular instability, warp lightning rod and all the other tasty mutations! Like Bloodworms. . . They just become absolute army slaughterers - and you get a couple of them for free every few turns.
No carnosaur is criminal
No terracotta sentinel is a shame since you can throw them at anything and they will pretty much turn them to mulch
War Mammoth? Star dragons? Vortex Beast? Literally the 3 most OP monsters in the game and not e even top 10 😂
War mammoths? anti large ranged attacks and anti infantry melee with all around respectable stats
No keeper of secrets on the list. Sad, but understandable, as it indeed sucks. But hey, it thinks that's only an upside and so do i!
Are dragons really that bad now?
Not even the star dragon on this list?
where elephant?
You should do a list based on multiplayer too cuz most of these suck when you’re playing dom or land battle
Not gonna lie, I was willing to bet the top spot would go to the Rogue Idol, Dread Saurian or Necrofex Colossus 😞
IMO, the problem with rogue idols, dread saurians, kdaai destroyers, elemental bears, and rotting leviathans is that they're so ridiculously big that the struggle a bit with both pathfinding and staying on target on a fight. They don't have much defense either, so they mostly just facetank it whenever anything hits them right back, which means they almost always end up taking *a lot* of damage. And they're so big that it also becomes hard to create synergy between them.
On top of that, they're not all that fast. Not necessarily super slow either but if they have to crawl all the way up to one unit of infantry, spend a while trying to murder it while the infantry unit tries to flee, then crawl up to the next unit of infantry and repeat the process, then get stuck on chaff cavalry, then get stuck trying to navigate some obstacle in the map... This has the potential to get very frustrating if there are waywatchers, darkshards, shades, sisters of avalorn, or quite the number of similar units present on the map.
As for necrofex colossus, I quite like them and I do think there's an argument for why they should be in a top 10 list. They're very useful at a distance, and they're very useful if you blob up a bunch of them and have them flail away at a mixed mob of infantry and cavalry. But their downside is that there's definitely 15 monsters in the game that could literally just run up and murder them, and they do suffer quite a lot against mass archers, and they do struggle a bit with monstrous infantry and cavalry.
@@monochromaticspider I don’t know if it’s just a me thing but mass seems to be tied to momentum, so if s unit has no momentum, it has no mass. This leads to ridiculous moments where it takes any unit 10-15 seconds to respond to movement commands because they are stuck on 2 infantry entities. This is especially egregious when one chariot is deep inside a blob while the others are not, so the other 3 chariots can pull back for another charge but the single chariot will get stuck, shaking back and forth trying to break free, until it inevitably dies.
@@choleraphd7702Large entities will only push through smaller entities if they are charging
@@digiorno1142 yea that totally makes sense that a 50 foot tall titan made of solid rock would get stuck in a group of frail and underfed ratmen. I hope CA finds a fix to this because it is extremely annoying to deal with.
@@choleraphd7702 I mean, the ratmen are covered in their own poo and whatnot. If you were a majestic 50 foot statue person, would you want to rub those things against your ankles, knowing that you're now going to be smeared in rat poo all day? 🙂
It's basically a balance decision, the way I understand it. If big things just plow through infantry then infantry will not be able to do anything to counter the big things. That might be more realistic but it doesn't really make the gameplay better.
This way, you have a very good reason to check if you're about to throw something into a blob of phoenix guard, and the big single entities are kept a little bit in check.
Sensible balance choice, but good grief can it be annoying. Particularly when your big thing is boxed in by puny little horses while getting hosed by AP missiles.
wheres the necrofex at, im waiting
fell bats vs hounds? leader is isabella
You forgot Mutalith, maybe top 3... And I would remove the k'daai, on the paper it should be extremely powerful, but when you try it, it looks totaly useless, no damage output, and a lot of damage input.... Is it buggy?
Personally I would put Changer of Ways and Incarnate Elemental of Beasts
The k’daai performs significantly better in blobs so try that. It’s not very great on its own
@@digiorno1142 but why would you use that over the others?
@@BacktoBack_Daishō doomstack
@digiorno1142 but the others are better especially for doomstack
Ok so it's tier list without inculding, cost, recruit time, overall race specjalization, overall convinence. Just raw stats and fighting capability. That's not how you describe best units in Total War sieries.
surprised the terracotta sentinel wasn't on here tbh
he included tomb scorpions which are a construct
I thought the mutalith or dread saurian would be number
Dread Saurian are meh
Where vortex beast
Sad to not see any dragons, are they really not that great?
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By the time you get minotaurs with shields as Taurox, if you aren't using them as your frontline you're playing Taurox wrong
"Next we have the armored skin wolves... we're lupin back around for something for its speed". I see what you did there 🤫
Choas warhound broodhorror is on the list but not stonehorns or stardragon arcnephenix are you serious???!!! That big BS
No mutalith bullshit beast?
A little warning for potential scorpion enjoyers: their animations make them incredibly bad vs other large single entities. Don't use these guys to duel or stall those.
This list is 100% wrong. Number 1 to 10 should all be Rat Ogres. There is nothing but Rat Ogres. Armor? Melee attack and defense? Weapon damage? Who cares about those things when you can see a a bunch of rat-Hulks smashing into enemy lines!
Already get bored, CA couldn't just get it done faster?
Slow down bro :D You don't need to speedrun video.
I think it's strange to essentially waste a spot on dragon ogres, since they're basically worse zoats. Instead, there could have been the vortex beast, kroxigors or rot flies. (Sure, it's debatable if those specific units belong on the list, but thats not the point)
I also think the broid horror should have been one or two ranks lower, but eh.
And lastly, i do agree with the rest of the placements. I'm just a bit sad that the really really cool units aren't that good. The dreadsaurian, the bone giant, the jade/jet lions are really cool, but they don't belong on this list.
Dreadsaurian should be on the list
Really shouldn't, though. They're super clunky and not particularly fast so landing attacks is some times a bit hard and them getting shot to hell is pretty common.
Dread saurian is probably one of the worst monsters in the game in terms of value for money
Thats kind of the entire thing with monsters@@monochromaticspider
Yeah theyre expensive but they have a lot of health and they have range also@@slipperywinston4076
@@liamgustavsson7793 Some of them, sure, but some are considerably less clunky to use. Some of them just have a better hitbox or they move a lot faster or they get on with hitting their target faster or they have better animations that keep them much less stationary.
sorry but this list sucks, imagine thinking minotaurs is the best monster unit lol, and comparing monstrous infantry with monstrous units makes no sense...
Yeah, having monstrous infantry and monsters on the same list is weird.
yeah kinda weird to compare monstrous infantry and monsters which are each meant to fill a different niche.
Honestly any unit that isn’t a single entity shouldn’t be considered a monster
Warhounds are not "monsters."
Excuse me but this is shows how unexperienced you are. Even putting warhounds on the list? Xd also im not seeing mutalith,necrofex,saggoth,khorne minotaurs,star dragon,dread saur, stegodon with ballist....etc you rushed this vid pal..
This is a very weird list. Way too many monstrous infantry units and barely any single entities. I also think that to qualify for this list a unit should be capable of some type of doomstack. No way chaos dogs are here. They are garbage even for running down retreating units.
Saying Chaos Dogs are garbage means you haven't spent enough time with them in campaign lol... Literally a lifesaver.
@@th5154 They are literally only good against archer units. They are barely decent at running down broken units. 90% of battles they are providing 0 value unless a magical gap opens between your enemies frontline and they allow you to reach their back line(not going to happen). Playing on legendary/very hard? Forget about it. They won’t do any damage to anything. Just more trash to throw at your enemy. Their literal only use is cheesing siege battles.
@@digiorno1142 eh, wrong? Perfect at killing artillery, first of all, also great at killing light ranged units like archers indeed, chasing down units they are one of the best units in the game to do it, and all that for so little cost. Also very fast.
@@th5154 They are not good at all at chasing down units. They barely scrape by being useable. They are literally trash tier with terrible stats. Their only use is cheesing sieges with their high speed, and as you said killing artillery. They give no value whatsoever. I suggest you stop playing on easy battle difficulty
@@digiorno1142 LMAO I am playing on hard. You and I have had very different experiences. Or you just don't know how to use them well :)