Tried it again this morning and it works like a charm! What I do find, is that there is still a sense of spaceousness in the bodily sensations. But... I could apply the same switching technique to that too. And great that you're saying that curiosity is your catalyst! I use that too when I instruct mindfulness/meditation. I'm gonna try the switching technique some more. For instance on the sense of self. Thanks again!
Thanks for the positive feedback Lucien. I know what you mean with the spaceousness in the bodily sensations I suppose. Sometimes when I tell people about experiencing spacelessness I describe it in 2 ways: there is no space, or I occupy all space there is.
Cool! Very clear instructions! I've just now tried it for a few minutes and I can already see that the believe in the spatial presence fading, so I can see what you mean by saying that the spacial awareness is experienced as less real than the bodily experiences. I'll dive deeper into it! So what's next? Time? Or is change so fundamental that you can't turn it of... ;-)
Tricky question maybe. What is the definition of time? Does it exist without a mind? Assuming it does not. Assuming it is another (man-made) concept. And assuming it is the outcome of a function (instead of something fundamentally always present). Then what would the algorithm, or the function look like? I think it requires the awareness of at least 2 sequentially different states of what the mind assumes to be the same thing. Like 2 still images that follow up one after the other in a movie. I reality a ball on the tv screen did not really move, but we assume the ball is the same as in the previous frame. So my guess is that if we would stop to ask for an update of a state of anything other than yourself, that awareness of time passing would not exist. One could say: yes but the things around me have changed, so time was there and is fundamental. Then I could argue: Did the time from your the last dream that you recall progress? Or was the last thing you remember just the end of it? Then yes, I would be comparing this reality to a dream in that extent. But are you aware in a dream that it is all 'just' a dream? I am not, most of the time (sometimes I am aware to some level). But most of the time I completely belief that the whole dream scenario at play is real, and I do not question any of it. Then how could I be so sure that this seemingly physical reality around me is not the same in that respect? So as a hypothesis: time is not fundamental but subjective and exists as long as you (sub)conciously query for an update.
Tried it again this morning and it works like a charm!
What I do find, is that there is still a sense of spaceousness in the bodily sensations. But... I could apply the same switching technique to that too.
And great that you're saying that curiosity is your catalyst! I use that too when I instruct mindfulness/meditation.
I'm gonna try the switching technique some more. For instance on the sense of self.
Thanks again!
Thanks for the positive feedback Lucien. I know what you mean with the spaceousness in the bodily sensations I suppose. Sometimes when I tell people about experiencing spacelessness I describe it in 2 ways: there is no space, or I occupy all space there is.
Cool! Very clear instructions!
I've just now tried it for a few minutes and I can already see that the believe in the spatial presence fading, so I can see what you mean by saying that the spacial awareness is experienced as less real than the bodily experiences.
I'll dive deeper into it!
So what's next? Time? Or is change so fundamental that you can't turn it of... ;-)
Tricky question maybe. What is the definition of time? Does it exist without a mind? Assuming it does not. Assuming it is
another (man-made) concept. And assuming it is the outcome of a function (instead of something fundamentally always present). Then what would the algorithm, or the function look like? I think it requires the awareness of at least 2 sequentially different states of what the mind assumes to be the same thing. Like 2 still images that follow up one after the other in a movie. I reality a ball on the tv screen did not really move, but we assume the ball is the same as in the previous frame.
So my guess is that if we would stop to ask for an update of a state of anything other than yourself, that awareness of time passing would not exist.
One could say: yes but the things around me have changed, so time was there and is fundamental. Then I could argue: Did the time from your the last dream that you recall progress? Or was the last thing you remember just the end of it? Then yes, I would be comparing this reality to a dream in that extent. But are you aware in a dream that it is all 'just' a dream? I am not, most of the time (sometimes I am aware to some level). But most of the time I completely belief that the whole dream scenario at play is real, and I do not question any of it. Then how could I be so sure that this seemingly physical reality around me is not the same in that respect? So as a hypothesis: time is not fundamental but subjective and exists as long as you (sub)conciously query for an update.