does it count if I sign up but don't make a deposit? Maybe you aren't supposed to clarify that part? I don't think it's allowed where I live anyway, but I did download the app and sign up with your code.
It’s still blows my mind how many people honestly thought JMac was gonna start over Sam Darnold this year. Even KTO said it in his latest video about reviving QB’s, despite KOC saying over and over they wouldn’t start JMac until he hit certain milestones in his development
Ryanwhite, it's the computer age. Just push a button or two and change everything. Things don't work so fast with all parts of life and web's for sure.
I mean, how long do you need to give someone to know they're not gonna work out? I know teams should probably sit a QB the first year or two but not every team has that luxury
@@joeym5243 yea, that's the million dollar question right.? 🤷 I think teams need to be honest about the situation they're putting these young QBs in, and take accountability that way. Do they have a serviceable o-line? Do they have serviceable weapons? Do they have a defense that can support them? How's the coaching? How's the play design and play calling? Is there someone on the staff capable of developing a young QB? Or are they just thrusting them into a system and assuming they can function? There's SO much to it. Some teams have given some guys way too long, some teams have paid the wrong guy, some teams haven't supported the QBs they've drafted at all, and act shocked that it's not working. 🤷 Every situation is different.
I always thought Andrew Luck set the bar high. Think about it he game in to a crap oline, past his prime Reggie Wayne, young TY Hilton, no def, crap FO, clueless HC and went 11-5 three straight years and won at least 1 playoff game.
Nah idk about that one. I like the concept of letting a rookie learn and develop on the bench, Green Bay has been the only ones consistently doing it and they're on pace for a 3rd franchise QB in a row. But NE is different because Jacoby, in comparison to the rest of the league, is fuckin asscheeks. Maye isn't learning anything behind a QB like that and NE is wasting time with Maye on the bench right now, that's why they decided to just start him because then at least hes gets some field practice and time with the starters, he gets to develop in the game in real-time. If a rookie can sit behind even a decent QB and learn, then he'll come out better than just starting off the rip, but there are exceptions to this and NE is currently one of them.
Set the rookie record 28 ints. 3-13 record. Turned it around incredibly fast, but Peyton was also considered a playoff choker his first 8 years until the Colts won it all in 2006-07.
But if you look back at Burrow it was probably bad to start him as a rookie with that terrible o line. He wouldn’t have torn his acl if he was sitting but I guess they didn’t really have another option either.
Two of the best Quarterbacks in the league are Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes, both held a clipboard their first seasons. Most QB’s thrown into the fire their first seasons, do not fair well in the long run statistically. Even, Brock Purdy did not start immediately, and he ended last season as the highest rated QB… 🤔
To be fair. A BUNCH of panther fans were screaming to start Andy all last year, and we were all called impatient and stupid and that we don’t know football.
Brees was literally about to be cut by the chargers his frist couple of years with them and even drafted his replacement because of how bad he was playing. Ben was a game manager and Rodgers and brady both rode the bench for a couple of seasons the the least.
legit. Caleb Williams seemed like he was doing so much better in the pre-season. Maybe because he wasn't playing against actual league quality opponents.
"Get rid of So-and-So and trade for a first-round pick and get a QB." Every Armchair Analyst of their favorite team. It almost never works out - or you gotta be patient. Which is a quality no Armchair Analyst possesses.
@@MFBloosh 363 yards 2 pass touchdowns 1-2 ATS cough cough, both losses in one score games less than 6 cough cough... just know when the offensive line finally clicks I'll be back to troll all you doubters
@@dc7236you have to keep trying or you end up in mediocrity purgatory. Having a QB on a rookie deal and being mediocre is much better than paying a qb 40+ mil per and being mediocre.
@@5ean5ean22yeah honestly it kind of sucks and I feel really bad for him. He’s a super hard worker and that’s why he was able to be the top rated high school and college prospects by overcoming his physical limitations. He was very highly touted for his mental abilities, but he got thrown to the wolves as a rookie and it was too hard for even him to adjust to the nfl. Now his confidence is ruined and the one thing that makes him good, his mental abilities, are gone
People are wayyyyy to impatient with rookie qbs. People are seem to forget that you used have a rookie qb sit a season or two to learn. Hell, Josh Allen didn’t look good until 2020 - YEAR 3
was gonna reply something long winded then it occurred to me pre-draft this was widely acknowledged as one of the weakest quarterback classes in a long while. not sure how the narrative shifted to us making excuses for bad quarterbacks, but CJ and Jayden are living proof you can be thrown into the fire and come out alive. If you agree that good quarterbacks are incredibly hard to come by, I’m not sure why we think so many players who have proven they’re awful have some sort of hidden potential.
Who is crazy is the Patriots who have the number three pick watching while a career back up who has played on a half dozen teams the last few years can't even throw for 100 yards a game. They're the fools.
@@theblackflame4002the patriots oline is terrible, i don't think they want their franchise qb to get injured already he got sacked twice in the two minutes he played already
@@funnyman8980 I get that, but how much longer before JB gets knocked out of a game? Maye is more mobile, will take off out of the pocket, but the big thing is the Patriots wanted to try to do wide roll outs to buy more time and JB can't do it because he can't throw on the run The Bears O-line-believe it or not-is worse than the Pats two weeks ago Williams was pressured on 36 of 37 drop backs, and he's upright and out there every week. You keep Maye on the sideline all year you waste one year of his rookie deal and even if you have a better line next year he still has no real game experience. Now's the time. he will be playing with no expectations and house money
@@basteala525 Bryce could show no progress on that train wreck of a team. Carolina is one of those teams that will never develop a QB, they will have to always find one. Newton had success there because he used his legs to extend plays or take off running, if he were a pocket passer he'd have been a bust on that team. Dalton did well because he's an experienced veteran who has something to fall back on other than the crap that lousy staff is teaching. I think if they trade Bryce and he gets a chance somewhere else, he'd do much better
The only thing that's going to save the NFL right now is running The Rock. We need to bring back Superstar running backs. Everybody wants to play cover two shell. The only way to combat that is run the ball!!
Lions fan, I'm convinced DMo/Jahmyr are the difference between Goff being top 10 and bottom 10. No shade on Jared but run game is really what enables good QB play to begin with
OLines are awful all over the league. Even run blocking which is much easier than pass protection seems beyond the talent level that exists on most lines.
I second this. It'll also have a trickle down affect of making defenses have to bring another player or two into the box, thus freeing up the secondary for receivers. Defenses just aren't scared of the run, knowing they can keep it in check with their D line, and everyone else can drop back into coverage. Look what the Packers did in week 2 when they could run. It meant week 3 the Titans schemed for stopping the run, and Malik was then able to throw the ball to fairly open receivers.
That and a good short to intermediate passing game where the receiver will get yards after the catch because the safeties are so far back it takes them awhile to get there. This idea that because you can't throw the ball sixty yards against that defense, the league sucks shows how few real football fans are out there
eh, I think in the modern age people have expectations that are so high and unreasonable. The problem today is sports are no longer about teams even for the QB, everyone is just chasing titles and a ring and there is no hardcore chemistry anymore. Rarely do you get to see a transplant QB walk onto a team and win a SB, Brady is the obvious exception. People expect QBs to be able to go from college and immediately find success, thats the exception and not the rule. College football is awful and the NFL is slowly turning into it with these dumb rules but it wont change the fact the game is so different on a mechanics level a new QB most of the time will suck. There is no longer time to develop, and if they go a season or two without turning into Mahomes or Brady they get ostracized and put on the travel list. In todays world its now now now, the majority of teams arent even close to winning a ring so why bother with the now now now and just develop?
I would say maybe a few teams are true contenders The rest are mediocre or will never even sniff it I also agree that many of these qb should sit and learn the game.
Purdy could’ve also been the outlier but the defense wanted to sell, honestly I think teams just need to do what the Niners did build a QB friendly team to help develop QBs hell Darnold didn’t even play for the Niners save one meaningless game at the very end and he’s developed into such a great QB so far this season
To be fair to Caleb, he's looked better every single week. Bo Nix, too. Daniels, too. I think one of the main things we need is patience. We're talking about rookie QBs struggling to make it to legendary status, but look at Peyton Manning for example. One of the worst rookie seasons a QB has ever had. So as a Bears fan, would I rather have went with the hot hand in Fields who was already established and had great chemistry with weapons like Kmet and Moore? It's easy to say yes to that. But that's only because we've grown so impatient and expect QBs, and other rookies to be fair, to come out and look like 10 year vets right away. So many other factors matter, too. Schemes, coaching, personnel, etc. I have a feeling that this last draft class will end up being a good one, but again, we have to be patient.
As a Bears fan, I think they made the right call. Would the team win more games this year with Fields? Maybe. But long term, Caleb has a way higher ceiling as a passer. I just don’t see fields ever developing into a S tier passer
Yep with the best defense in the league. That superbowl run was helped by amazing circus catches on every throw. Dude was certainly helped just like Lamar is certainly helped by an amazing supporting cast. Lamar continues to shit himself and Flacco had one year he didn't shit himself with a great defense. Odds are Lamar will continue to shit bimself. Giving the best big back in the league to a qb that can't beat single high or really run normal play action is throwing talent away. Henry deserves better
@@dylangrantz8124 Us Ravens fans see Flacco’s SB run through rose tinted windows. There’s no way we get to that SB never mind win it without Anquan Boldin. The amount of over thrown 3rd and long’s he pulled in whilst in double coverage is sadly never discussed. That man is an absolute legend.
@@gs6618 he is why they won not Flacco. People forget he put up 100 and a td. That was more than the entire rb room and twice as much as an receiver and more than a third the entire passing game. He was the offense except for returns really.
Everyone wants to claim his height is an insurmountable disability but every team that competed to draft him knew this. Perhaps they're bad teams because they thought he would be great, but I think that's too simplistic.
You want to know the real issue? Not the lack of QB talent, but the lack of offensive line talent. No QB can develop without a good o line. The biggest evidence of this is the Bills, Josh Allen is far above everyone else in terms of QB production so far, and interestingly, the Bills also just happen to have the best o line play this season.
I feel like purdy is an anomaly to this though. He has a terrible god awful o-line with a rookie and an old trent williams being the only notable players.
The colleges have stopped to develop O-linemen over the last 20 years, and because nfl teams have mostly stopped playing their starters in the pre-season (screw Sean McVey), they don’t even have time to develop good chemistry before the season begins now.
The main problem Perna didn't even mention: all those shitty teams think that they just need a good QB to turn it all around, so they draft the most hyped-up prospect, throw him out there with nobody to throw to, nobody to protect him, no run game, no assistance from the defence and often times a revolving door of bad coaching too - and then they wonder why he doesn't ball out like Mahomes... The worst part of it all is that when teams do it right, like Green Bay with Love or the Falcons with Penix, they get ridiculed for spending a first round pick on a QB even though they don't desperatly need one now.
Young QBs aren't going to perform well when they're regularly tasked with single-handedly resurrecting terrible franchises that are dead because of off-field problems like front offices and ownership. Justin Fields cratered in Chicago because the hopes and dreams of the Bears franchise were riding entirely on him. Now that all that weight is off his back and Pittsburgh isn't asking him to do anything more than play keep away and not make any unforced errors, we're seeing a side to Justin Fields we couldn't see in Chicago. One of the hallmarks of inept management is high turnover.
You ain't wrong, but we aren't just crazy NFL FANS, we just crazy as a society and we want instant gratification in everything!!! That there is part of the problem. Nice video... well done sir!!!
It’s almost like they are young, inexperienced, and underdeveloped. Maybe franchises aren’t supposed to be immediately good when they completely reset and draft a new leader. Just a thought.
only if your bar for good is winning a super bowl, but that definition means there's only one good team every year. Washington was damn good in 1999, pretty good in the second Gibbs era and good again in 2012. Source: I'm a lifelong Skins fan, too
Am I the only one who thinks it’s ridiculous that people are expecting rookies to be amazing right out of the gate? I mean, Peyton Manning went 4-12 in his first season. Is it a symptom of social media?
I'll admit that as a longtime Steelers fan, Ben's anomalous rookie season where he went undefeated for 15 straight games in 2004 has definitely spoiled me in terms of expectations all subsequent evaluations of QBs on the team. I have to remind myself that he was one of the exceptions. That said, I'm nevertheless glad that we got rid of Kenny Pickett. A prolonged development cycle can certainly be a good thing for most rookies, but there's no known cure for tiny baby hands syndrome 😂
perna never disappoints to crack me up. 🤣 -grossi is like a seinfield comedy type. -perna is like a golden girls comedy type. 🤣 *i discovered the golden girls 2yrs ago and man... they savages. 😭
I couldn't be more happy to say I told you so to all my friends and family about Justin Fields. I said from the moment he got traded to us that he was a great raw talent that just needed coaching and an O line. I've been a big Baker fan from the beginning too, but I had no idea he would blow up like he has. I'm a very pleased football fan right now.
I genuinely miss Big Ben, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, etc. I wonder if that style of QB will ever make a comeback. Mahomes is obviously great and we still have good new QBs like CJ Stroud but I dunno man, there was just something about dudes slinging it that was so much fun. Still though, aside from Stroud it does feel like the latest crop of QBs just has not been it.
@@EternalReich88 so you've heard it 3 times in the last 5-6 years? And that's JUST at QB. We hear it at ER, OL, pass rusher, etc. Etc. That's not a "generational talent". Micheal Jordan is a generational talent. LeBron James was a generational talent. Patrick Mahomes is a generational talent. These guys don't come into the league every year, every other year. We gotta stop being so loose with our words as a society.
04'Big Ben seemed like an anomaly. Then the 2010's is where it really went up a notch. Cam: set like every rookie PASSING record and rushing too Andy Dalton:was good right out the gate too and lead his team to playoffs Then the very next year: RGIII, russel wilson and Andrew Luck all played at a high level... Then Colin Kaepernick lead the niners to the superbowl And the craze for young QB's was at peak level!! That has resulted in soooo so many young qbs being thrown to the wolves before they should have. Theres no more patience given to young 22 year old qbs anymore. And there most(quote on quote) busts than ever before!
Also, most of us Bears fans definitely knew Fields was going to be good in Pittsburgh. That's why most of us wanted to keep him. We watched the defense give up 31 PPG through 14 games, an NFL record and a historically bad defense, yet Fields got scapegoated when he was the only reason the Bears were worth watching. Never did I think Soldier Field would chant the name of our QB in a positive manner, but they did for Fields. And what made getting rid of him even tougher was that our defense FINALLY got better the 2nd half of last season, and Fields/The Bears went 5-3 to finish out the season (should've been 7-1 if it wasn't for the defense giving up 2 double digit leads in the 4th against the Browns and Lions). Without missing those 5 games with his hand injury, Fields would've had 3000+ yards passing and 700-800 yards rushing on the season.
Fields is NOT good. The only difference between this year and the last three is that he is now on a way better team with way better coaching and asked to do a lot less.
Yes. Yes they are. Why? Quarterback play in college is far too dependent on athleticism and not enough on developing the minds of quarterbacks and processing the offense. This leads to guys not finding their 2nd and third reads and you can’t get away with just feeding one guy and athleticism in the NFL. Remember that back in the day that quarterbacks called their own plays too and relied far more on processing than athleticism. This also wasn’t flawless but I think that is a big factor in why many quarterbacks now are playing poorly to start their careers: we gush at the athleticism but ignore the blatant faults in their games as actual game managers, which is boring but does 100% matter.
Caleb Williams has about doubled his passing yard total in every game. If this trend continues, he’ll obliterate the single game passing yards record tomorrow
That's the issue why would you put that kinda expectations on Caleb allow this guy to get his feet wet & adjust to the NFL game? Caleb need to learn how to be a QB sure he got a hose of a arm but that doesn't make you good at quarterbacking I mean managing the game, playing great situational football, taking care of the football, taking the check downs for easy yard, it doesn't always have to be 20 yd throws down field
Offenses are typically behind the defense in game readiness when the offseason starts - now add players not "playing" in preseason games and you have what we are seeing. Pretty simple.
The Blame for the Lousy Young QB Play (Lousy Team Play Also) is Squarely on Roger Goddell and NFLPA!!! They should have left the 16 Game Season alone, and Extended Training Camps from 4 weeks to 6 weeks and Left the 4 Game Preseason alone!!! Since they Sissified and Shortened Training Camps/Preseason throughout the NFL...There has been Crappy Play All Around the League...Even the Big Names are not Producing like they used to!!! Too Little Actual Contact (during training camps) for the Players, it's hard to put the best Teams together when you Can't Actually Evaluate the Players and their Cohesion to Function Together as a Team...This has also led to more Players getting Injured More Frequently and Easier than Before!!!
one of things holding offenses back this year is the lack of offensive line depth. the gap between OLines and DLines talent has increased for years, and its only getting bigger
As a Panthers Fan....Bryce Young cant play football in the NFL period and will probably be thr biggest bust in NFL history. People who say it's the organization's fault haven't seen one of our games. WE got 2 new WRs, 2 New Oline men, and he somehow got worse.
All im gonna say, is that when eli manning and ben roethlisberger were drafted eli underperformed and big ben went 15-1 and won a super bowl. Very similar to cj and bryce, cj set a bar that bryce has constantly been compared to. Had social media been around back then or had teams been the way they are now, the giants would’ve given up on eli in 06. He won the super bowl in 07. Gotta give these guys some time man
Daniels looked funtional in two games, and good in one game. Two of those games were against teams that are looking to be bottom of the league this season. Now, I'm definitely not against Commanders fans setting themselves up for disappointment, but wisdom suggests that some more data is needed first.
Daniels looked funtional in two games, and good in one game. Two of those games were against teams that are looking to be bottom of the league this season. Now, I'm definitely not against Commanders fans setting themselves up for disappointment, but wisdom suggests that some more data is needed first.
@@redbeard5939nah, you aren't watching the games if that's what you think. He played ok the first game, good the second game, and damn near perfect the third. Did you miss the point that they havent punted in two weeks? You must be stat watching bc it wasn't his fault that the oline had penalties everytime they were in the red zone against NYG.
@@davidlinehat4657 I was back and forth on wether to say the two went to functional or good (I mostly decided on giving it to functional because it is slightly more of a pick at Washington). But I'll give you two good games since you made a solid argument for it. Still... that second good performance is against the Giants. Again, feel free to set yourselves up for the rug to get pulled out - I probably wouldn't be putting a second egg in that basket yet.
Jayden Daniels looks good. Honestly if he continues to improve he might end up joining the 4k club as a rookie as well with the Commanders which is absurd. Caleb Williams shows flashes of elite talent but still gets flustered. He looks night and day different from his first game and has only improved. Bo Nix needed more time to cook but i think he will find his way eventually.
You nailed it. Those young sucessful QBs you mentioned early in your video raised people expectations of high draft pick QB's. People expect high draft picks to come out the gate balling, which is unfair to the player. What Stroud did was a anomaly.
Football is about defense too yano.. Casual football fans that wanna see more WWE like stuff are ruining this sport. Constant whining of not enough points scored blah blah blah football is half defense half offense you dont like it? Dont watch it real football fans enjoy all aspects. Sadly this pushes casual fans away which bring in the most money so therefore expect a change soon but dont bitch when games feel rigged
It's like with other sports leagues. Kids today within Pee-wee to high school. Athletes are not learning the fundamentals of their sport they play. Take football. Kids are not taught the fundamentals how to tackle while not getting hurt themselves. Now it's QB. Once offenses went pass happy & phrase out running. It opened up the weaknesses of QB's that's in the spotlight instead what would be hidden with a decent running game.
There seems like more and more evidence that some, maybe even most good QBs really do need time to make mistakes and develop. Purdy is good yeah, but Purdy also played a LOT of college games on less than stellar teams. Jordan Love is good, but Love sat for years. Geno Smith was a lot better after a few years out of the spotlight. Kurt Warner. Hell, might even be the case for Sam Darnold this year. The list goes on. You shouldn't start a rookie, and it should be expected that they're bad if you do. You should set that expectations with your fans - I think the Patriots are the only ones taking the right approach there. Peyton Manning would've been traded after his first year with today's logic around developing QBs.
Don't doubt yourself like that Perna! Youd be an awesome daily contributor on ESPN. They would be lucky to have you. I comment this often and I still mean it, yours is the most underrated channel on youtube!!
I think a lot of people want caleb to be a bust because he presents himself as a rude immature person especially when he ignored stroud talking to him post game
IDK. Stroud should have been able to read the situation better. That was neither the time nor the place for that. Stroud came across like: Let me teach you, grasshopper.
Rookie QBs should ideally sit behind a veteran before playing. A few who were good as rookies have made owners think that it's normal to be good right away when clearly there is a learning curve. It's okay to give QBs time to adjust
in the case of Bryce Young, it doesn't matter where he went, what "system" he was in, how good a team around him was etc..... he's a small, thin, unathletic soft arm Happy Meal QB who literally can't even throw quick outs and bubble screens properly, and he has to JUMP to throw a slant because he can't even see 5 yards down the field lol it's been a joke from day 1 and as a Panthers fan it legit confuses me how ANYONE EVER thought a dude built like Eddy Piniero could actually be an NFL franchise QB
This is a well done video as always Perna. It will be interesting to see how JJ McCarthy does hopefully next year. If he turns out to be a good (hopefully great) QB, is it all innate talent? Or is it the fact that he spent 1+ years learning first? It's a bit of both, but I guarantee QBs will do better if they get at least a good chunk of one season on the bench learning from a veteran QB instead of being thrown to the wolves. As a wolf, I understand this better than most.
They could be, too much emphasis on drafting QBs in the first round. This class looks okay though. It amazes me how much the so called experts are wrong though. It used to be that a lot of the QBs drafted didn't start the season as qb 1, now everyone wants them to start right away which is ruining some of these guys.
Every now and then you get a Cam Newton, Andrew Luck or CJ Stroud like rookie season. Thats shouldn't be the bar for every QB. As a Bears fan, Ive watched the Green Bay system work year over year. Have your offensive guru head coach, draft a QB, sit him for at least a year, and let him get to know the system inside and out before stepping foot on the field. Tom Brady just said the other week, this should be the preferred order of operations for most QBs. Even if it's sitting behind an Andy Dalton in Carolina. Figure out the NFL while the team builds for a year or two. As far as Caleb Williams, he had a rough first 10 quarters. He did some promising things in the 2nd half of the Colts game. 33/52 360 2tds and 2int is still like a top 5 statline for a Bears QB since like, Cutler probably. He scored the 2 tds in the 4th, made it a one score game with 3 minutes and change left. If not for an incompetent coach who burned 2 timeouts early in the half, he may have had a chance to get the ball back. He'll be on his 2nd coach next year, their weapons are locked up for a few years if they can figure out a left tackle, center snd a right guard who aren't buns.
Quarterbacks used to sit for multiple seasons before they even made 2nd string. When Big Ben joined the steelers he was our backups backups. It was NEVER in the plans for him to start playing but the starter had off season surgery and the back up got hurt in week 2. After the starter returned in week 4, Ben was only supposed to play till he lost...then he just didn't lose until the AFC Championship. Then he STILL wasn't the offical starter until the end of the next preseason. They used to play behind a vet and learn everything from how to lead the team to how to manage life as a player. None of this happens anymore
This should be when coaches should remember that running backs and a good O-line can win games. Defenses are getting better but also smaller so a run game is huge for a good or bad QB.
It’s frustrating to wait, but it’s true that we need to be patient. As a Bears fan, I was pretty disappointed the first three weeks. But I have to say that the Bears looked like they had an almost functional offense against the Rams, which is pretty impressive for the Bears.
I remember when we used to let guys develop but in the social media era people just want the results asap instead of watching the rise of a great player. Also likely doesn't help when the offensive talent swapped to defense or other sports from that Will Smith CTE movie.
17:59 I personally wondered why they called him generational when Andrew luck had been drafted five years prior and usually generations are about 10 to 15 years apart. Gives me hope for the next generational quarterback who is it…. Oh goddamnit 🐻⬇️
One issue that I see is that everyone wants to be seen as right online, so they bail on things early so they can get their "props". If you pay attention to the young QBs playing and not the stats, you will notice improvement. Daniels had a lot of half field reads, which was a great playcalling. Williams has pretty much been asked to run the offense like a vet, and I haven't seen Nix yet.
Offensive yards total is slightly down due to kickoff rule changes starting with field position that's ridiculous where they only need to go 20 yards to be in field goal range.
Because the vets were allowed (by allowed I mean looked terrible their early seasons) to sit, learn the play book, learn the differences between college and pro, and all the other smaller details, these young QBs are getting burned with their trials by fire
Lots of athletic quarterbacks who can't read defenses. The by far best of the bunch is a seventh-rounder who can read defenses and can master a complex playbook. Intelligence matters.
I love that the game is changing, let’s give some credit to defenses too It takes special guys on that side of the ball to stop these high powered offenses
The goal to developing Young QBs is to not have them turn the ball over. That gives them confidence to just play good ball. Best way to reduce Turnovers, bench them for a year, maybe two or have simple offenses.
I think what’s unfair about the CJ Stroud talk is the 2 interceptions was against the Vikings who might have one of the more unpredictable defenses and might be kryptonite against Shanahan style offenses.
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KOC put it best; organizations fail young QBs before young QB fail organizations.
Really a great statement from him
It’s still blows my mind how many people honestly thought JMac was gonna start over Sam Darnold this year. Even KTO said it in his latest video about reviving QB’s, despite KOC saying over and over they wouldn’t start JMac until he hit certain milestones in his development
@@matthew1182 he had a very good take on this
19:50 in the video.
Im happy that they got rid of kirk and it worked out for him. They could never build that team the way they can now.
People simply just do NOT have the same patience they used to. With quarterbacks, or damn near anything else in life.
Ryanwhite, it's the computer age. Just push a button or two and change everything. Things don't work so fast with all parts of life and web's for sure.
Qb's 😅
I mean, how long do you need to give someone to know they're not gonna work out? I know teams should probably sit a QB the first year or two but not every team has that luxury
@@joeym5243 yea, that's the million dollar question right.? 🤷 I think teams need to be honest about the situation they're putting these young QBs in, and take accountability that way. Do they have a serviceable o-line? Do they have serviceable weapons? Do they have a defense that can support them? How's the coaching? How's the play design and play calling? Is there someone on the staff capable of developing a young QB? Or are they just thrusting them into a system and assuming they can function? There's SO much to it. Some teams have given some guys way too long, some teams have paid the wrong guy, some teams haven't supported the QBs they've drafted at all, and act shocked that it's not working. 🤷 Every situation is different.
Well how long I gotta wait for lamar jackson and Josh Allen to have the same amount of rings as Brad Johnson and trent dilfer
No, people are just assuming these rookies should be mvp level immediately because CJ Stroud set the bar way too high last year
Imagine Peyton Manning getting drafted today.
No way, if Brady was still in the league he would be a super bowl contender.
The new generation has to step up besides Mahomes.
I always thought Andrew Luck set the bar high.
Think about it he game in to a crap oline, past his prime Reggie Wayne, young TY Hilton, no def, crap FO, clueless HC and went 11-5 three straight years and won at least 1 playoff game.
He did, but the way his career ended made people forget how insane he actually was@@Darkboi389
If you watched the whole thing he makes that exact point like halfway through.
Patriots doing Maye a favor not playing him
Saving him from becoming the next Andrew Luck or RG3
Nah idk about that one. I like the concept of letting a rookie learn and develop on the bench, Green Bay has been the only ones consistently doing it and they're on pace for a 3rd franchise QB in a row. But NE is different because Jacoby, in comparison to the rest of the league, is fuckin asscheeks. Maye isn't learning anything behind a QB like that and NE is wasting time with Maye on the bench right now, that's why they decided to just start him because then at least hes gets some field practice and time with the starters, he gets to develop in the game in real-time. If a rookie can sit behind even a decent QB and learn, then he'll come out better than just starting off the rip, but there are exceptions to this and NE is currently one of them.
@outlawsensei Jacoby Brusset is not saving anyone's career lol... promise you
i mean thats what all teams should do
Fr, the Pats OL last week would’ve killed him if he played the whole game.
2:32 ah, yes the 202015 season
So good they redid the simulation 200000 years later
Personally my favorite season was the 202016 season
Ahh, 202015 the year the Dallas Lionfish finally got back to the Super Bowl… almost won it, too
Perna made us all age up 200000 years.
I remember that season. It was right after the cyborg wars. When the Terminator came back to save us all.
I feel like people forget that Peyton was 11 TD/16 INT in his first 8 games. This seems normal.
Even then, Peyton really shouldn't have been thrown out there that early, more than likely a lot of his health issues stem from that rookie season
Set the rookie record 28 ints. 3-13 record. Turned it around incredibly fast, but Peyton was also considered a playoff choker his first 8 years until the Colts won it all in 2006-07.
Manning also set the rookie record for touchdowns and yards. Not at all comparable to a joke like bryce young
Most INTs by a rookie QB ever, too. Even his 2nd season was the greatest. It took him 2-3 years to develop into the QB we know him as now.
Being a QB back then was also much more difficult. They have changed all the rules to make it much easier to be a QB today.
Both Aaron Rogers and Jordan Love sat for THREE years. CJ Stroud and Joe Burrows are very very rare. NFL teams should train train train train the QB.
But if you look back at Burrow it was probably bad to start him as a rookie with that terrible o line. He wouldn’t have torn his acl if he was sitting but I guess they didn’t really have another option either.
Stroud hasn't exactly been lighting it up this season. One decent game and 2 below average games
@@Will-fk2dkbecause they have game tape on him now
Two of the best Quarterbacks in the league are Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes, both held a clipboard their first seasons. Most QB’s thrown into the fire their first seasons, do not fair well in the long run statistically.
Even, Brock Purdy did not start immediately, and he ended last season as the highest rated QB…
🤔
Burrow wasn’t even THAT great as a rookie. Herbert and stroud are the only guys I can think of.
I don’t know what Carolina expected giving a short rookie QB no O-lineman and a washed Adam Theilen as his BEST weapon and expect him to develop
I'm convinced Tepper thought he was hiring Bryce to be on the dinner waitstaff and not to be the QB for his football team.
DJ is his best weapon buddy. But still, that’s not saying a lot.
It's almost criminal what the Panthers did
Theilen isn't washed
To be fair. A BUNCH of panther fans were screaming to start Andy all last year, and we were all called impatient and stupid and that we don’t know football.
We were spoiled with Brees Rodgers Brady and Big Ben
Ben was the only one of them who played well (or at all) their rookie year.
@@umbertoocto maybe so, but neither did they play as badly as Caleb Williams and Bryce Young have played this year.
Mahomes, Herbert, Stroud, now Jayden Daniels ..
Mahomes literally sat out in his entire rookie season except 1
Brees was literally about to be cut by the chargers his frist couple of years with them and even drafted his replacement because of how bad he was playing. Ben was a game manager and Rodgers and brady both rode the bench for a couple of seasons the the least.
That transition between college and the pros is NOT easy. Takes time to adjust for sure.
Being thrown right into the fire burns.
legit. Caleb Williams seemed like he was doing so much better in the pre-season. Maybe because he wasn't playing against actual league quality opponents.
"Get rid of So-and-So and trade for a first-round pick and get a QB."
Every Armchair Analyst of their favorite team. It almost never works out - or you gotta be patient. Which is a quality no Armchair Analyst possesses.
I hate this mentality...
It's like they have a mediocre QB... So they get rid of him to draft a newer younger mediocre qb
*cough cough* Bears *cough cough*
@@MFBloosh 363 yards 2 pass touchdowns 1-2 ATS cough cough, both losses in one score games less than 6 cough cough... just know when the offensive line finally clicks I'll be back to troll all you doubters
Well if you need a chair just for your arms, you got bigger problems.
@@dc7236you have to keep trying or you end up in mediocrity purgatory. Having a QB on a rookie deal and being mediocre is much better than paying a qb 40+ mil per and being mediocre.
All theses RUclipsrs advertising sports betting is doing the most damage to this country since celebrities started advertising crypto.
Refreshing to read this, i'm not alone.
Bit of hyperbole but not completely inaccurate
Yeah. Don't worry about central banking or authoritarianism...youtube sports betting advertising is really doing a number.
@@dannye7612 also like I can make any difference with authorization or the banking system is just incredibly stupid, think before you comment
@Dannye7612 You don't know anything about central banks, policy rates, or Authoritarianism. Wasn't the topic of the post.
Bryce Young on his Sam Darnold arch
man i hope so i love a good comeback story
Nope
@genesisunderscoredenesis ain't gonna happen. The dude is too short and cannot see the field.
@@5ean5ean22yeah honestly it kind of sucks and I feel really bad for him. He’s a super hard worker and that’s why he was able to be the top rated high school and college prospects by overcoming his physical limitations. He was very highly touted for his mental abilities, but he got thrown to the wolves as a rookie and it was too hard for even him to adjust to the nfl. Now his confidence is ruined and the one thing that makes him good, his mental abilities, are gone
@@5ean5ean22he was still short at Bama and didn't have that problem then. I don't think his issues are that straight forward.
People are wayyyyy to impatient with rookie qbs. People are seem to forget that you used have a rookie qb sit a season or two to learn. Hell, Josh Allen didn’t look good until 2020 - YEAR 3
Exactly I use that example all the time they gave Josh time and look happened
was gonna reply something long winded then it occurred to me pre-draft this was widely acknowledged as one of the weakest quarterback classes in a long while. not sure how the narrative shifted to us making excuses for bad quarterbacks, but CJ and Jayden are living proof you can be thrown into the fire and come out alive. If you agree that good quarterbacks are incredibly hard to come by, I’m not sure why we think so many players who have proven they’re awful have some sort of hidden potential.
Can't believe payton manning played football in 202015, ahead of his time really
lol every rookie QB has been showing progress in the areas you want. People are crazy to throw in the towel on any of them already.
Who is crazy is the Patriots who have the number three pick watching while a career back up who has played on a half dozen teams the last few years can't even throw for 100 yards a game. They're the fools.
@@theblackflame4002the patriots oline is terrible, i don't think they want their franchise qb to get injured already he got sacked twice in the two minutes he played already
@@funnyman8980 I get that, but how much longer before JB gets knocked out of a game? Maye is more mobile, will take off out of the pocket, but the big thing is the Patriots wanted to try to do wide roll outs to buy more time and JB can't do it because he can't throw on the run The Bears O-line-believe it or not-is worse than the Pats two weeks ago Williams was pressured on 36 of 37 drop backs, and he's upright and out there every week. You keep Maye on the sideline all year you waste one year of his rookie deal and even if you have a better line next year he still has no real game experience. Now's the time. he will be playing with no expectations and house money
Real talk but what progress has Bryce shown?
@@basteala525 Bryce could show no progress on that train wreck of a team. Carolina is one of those teams that will never develop a QB, they will have to always find one. Newton had success there because he used his legs to extend plays or take off running, if he were a pocket passer he'd have been a bust on that team. Dalton did well because he's an experienced veteran who has something to fall back on other than the crap that lousy staff is teaching. I think if they trade Bryce and he gets a chance somewhere else, he'd do much better
The only thing that's going to save the NFL right now is running The Rock. We need to bring back Superstar running backs. Everybody wants to play cover two shell. The only way to combat that is run the ball!!
Lions fan, I'm convinced DMo/Jahmyr are the difference between Goff being top 10 and bottom 10. No shade on Jared but run game is really what enables good QB play to begin with
OLines are awful all over the league. Even run blocking which is much easier than pass protection seems beyond the talent level that exists on most lines.
I second this. It'll also have a trickle down affect of making defenses have to bring another player or two into the box, thus freeing up the secondary for receivers. Defenses just aren't scared of the run, knowing they can keep it in check with their D line, and everyone else can drop back into coverage.
Look what the Packers did in week 2 when they could run. It meant week 3 the Titans schemed for stopping the run, and Malik was then able to throw the ball to fairly open receivers.
That and a good short to intermediate passing game where the receiver will get yards after the catch because the safeties are so far back it takes them awhile to get there. This idea that because you can't throw the ball sixty yards against that defense, the league sucks shows how few real football fans are out there
That’s why the 49ers are successful. Even without mccaffrey
eh, I think in the modern age people have expectations that are so high and unreasonable. The problem today is sports are no longer about teams even for the QB, everyone is just chasing titles and a ring and there is no hardcore chemistry anymore. Rarely do you get to see a transplant QB walk onto a team and win a SB, Brady is the obvious exception. People expect QBs to be able to go from college and immediately find success, thats the exception and not the rule. College football is awful and the NFL is slowly turning into it with these dumb rules but it wont change the fact the game is so different on a mechanics level a new QB most of the time will suck. There is no longer time to develop, and if they go a season or two without turning into Mahomes or Brady they get ostracized and put on the travel list. In todays world its now now now, the majority of teams arent even close to winning a ring so why bother with the now now now and just develop?
I would say maybe a few teams are true contenders
The rest are mediocre or will never even sniff it
I also agree that many of these qb should sit and learn the game.
Makes you miss the 1980's/ 90's. NFL 🏈.
Purdy could’ve also been the outlier but the defense wanted to sell, honestly I think teams just need to do what the Niners did build a QB friendly team to help develop QBs hell Darnold didn’t even play for the Niners save one meaningless game at the very end and he’s developed into such a great QB so far this season
@MarktheGreenLantern I think that's true for nearly every single American sport, all the way down to the local levels
Young like age or like Bryce Young? 😅
Yes.
He did capitalize it 👀
@@GiantTinyBalls😅😅 7:03 xxt c😮cxx😮y fv😅 and me xerr
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I'd rather be Steve Young than Bryce Young.
To be fair to Caleb, he's looked better every single week. Bo Nix, too. Daniels, too. I think one of the main things we need is patience. We're talking about rookie QBs struggling to make it to legendary status, but look at Peyton Manning for example. One of the worst rookie seasons a QB has ever had. So as a Bears fan, would I rather have went with the hot hand in Fields who was already established and had great chemistry with weapons like Kmet and Moore? It's easy to say yes to that. But that's only because we've grown so impatient and expect QBs, and other rookies to be fair, to come out and look like 10 year vets right away. So many other factors matter, too. Schemes, coaching, personnel, etc. I have a feeling that this last draft class will end up being a good one, but again, we have to be patient.
As a Bears fan, I think they made the right call. Would the team win more games this year with Fields? Maybe. But long term, Caleb has a way higher ceiling as a passer. I just don’t see fields ever developing into a S tier passer
Flacco started immediately... And got us to like 15 playoffs... And had about the best sb run of all time
Yep with the best defense in the league. That superbowl run was helped by amazing circus catches on every throw. Dude was certainly helped just like Lamar is certainly helped by an amazing supporting cast. Lamar continues to shit himself and Flacco had one year he didn't shit himself with a great defense.
Odds are Lamar will continue to shit bimself. Giving the best big back in the league to a qb that can't beat single high or really run normal play action is throwing talent away. Henry deserves better
@@dylangrantz8124 Us Ravens fans see Flacco’s SB run through rose tinted windows. There’s no way we get to that SB never mind win it without Anquan Boldin. The amount of over thrown 3rd and long’s he pulled in whilst in double coverage is sadly never discussed. That man is an absolute legend.
@@gs6618 he is why they won not Flacco. People forget he put up 100 and a td. That was more than the entire rb room and twice as much as an receiver and more than a third the entire passing game. He was the offense except for returns really.
@@hhastecope, the Ravens choked its that simple
Young shouldve sat for a year or two. They might have ruined that young man.
Everyone wants to claim his height is an insurmountable disability but every team that competed to draft him knew this. Perhaps they're bad teams because they thought he would be great, but I think that's too simplistic.
You want to know the real issue? Not the lack of QB talent, but the lack of offensive line talent. No QB can develop without a good o line. The biggest evidence of this is the Bills, Josh Allen is far above everyone else in terms of QB production so far, and interestingly, the Bills also just happen to have the best o line play this season.
I feel like purdy is an anomaly to this though. He has a terrible god awful o-line with a rookie and an old trent williams being the only notable players.
@@yogiritaco true, but he also has a great roster around him in general
The colleges have stopped to develop O-linemen over the last 20 years, and because nfl teams have mostly stopped playing their starters in the pre-season (screw Sean McVey), they don’t even have time to develop good chemistry before the season begins now.
@@yogiritacoCMC and Kittle as options is the answer to having a below average O Line though.
The main problem Perna didn't even mention: all those shitty teams think that they just need a good QB to turn it all around, so they draft the most hyped-up prospect, throw him out there with nobody to throw to, nobody to protect him, no run game, no assistance from the defence and often times a revolving door of bad coaching too - and then they wonder why he doesn't ball out like Mahomes...
The worst part of it all is that when teams do it right, like Green Bay with Love or the Falcons with Penix, they get ridiculed for spending a first round pick on a QB even though they don't desperatly need one now.
The biggest reason is the fact that they don’t have vets to up guide their journeys into the NFL.
@@user39404 they'd rather play them to get microwave results. Sit these young QBs down for a season or two
Young QBs aren't going to perform well when they're regularly tasked with single-handedly resurrecting terrible franchises that are dead because of off-field problems like front offices and ownership.
Justin Fields cratered in Chicago because the hopes and dreams of the Bears franchise were riding entirely on him. Now that all that weight is off his back and Pittsburgh isn't asking him to do anything more than play keep away and not make any unforced errors, we're seeing a side to Justin Fields we couldn't see in Chicago. One of the hallmarks of inept management is high turnover.
21:36 this is the most honest statement any RUclips channel that talks football can make.
QB play across the league is down. Defenses are seriously locked in on quarterbacks now. I don’t think it’s ever been tougher to be a rookie qb
Jayden Daniel’s is bonkers good
Good take. Nice reality check. This is your format, man. I really hope the algorithm rewards you.
You ain't wrong, but we aren't just crazy NFL FANS, we just crazy as a society and we want instant gratification in everything!!! That there is part of the problem. Nice video... well done sir!!!
It’s almost like they are young, inexperienced, and underdeveloped. Maybe franchises aren’t supposed to be immediately good when they completely reset and draft a new leader. Just a thought.
INSTANT GRATIFICATION!!! I’ve been a Redskins fan since 1991!! Which was the last time we were good. We deserve a great QB
only if your bar for good is winning a super bowl, but that definition means there's only one good team every year. Washington was damn good in 1999, pretty good in the second Gibbs era and good again in 2012. Source: I'm a lifelong Skins fan, too
Am I the only one who thinks it’s ridiculous that people are expecting rookies to be amazing right out of the gate? I mean, Peyton Manning went 4-12 in his first season. Is it a symptom of social media?
I'll admit that as a longtime Steelers fan, Ben's anomalous rookie season where he went undefeated for 15 straight games in 2004 has definitely spoiled me in terms of expectations all subsequent evaluations of QBs on the team. I have to remind myself that he was one of the exceptions. That said, I'm nevertheless glad that we got rid of Kenny Pickett. A prolonged development cycle can certainly be a good thing for most rookies, but there's no known cure for tiny baby hands syndrome 😂
perna never disappoints to crack me up. 🤣
-grossi is like a seinfield comedy type.
-perna is like a golden girls comedy type. 🤣
*i discovered the golden girls 2yrs ago and man... they savages. 😭
Elway stunk it up pretty good, Coach kept him and he brought the Silver ball home😊
I couldn't be more happy to say I told you so to all my friends and family about Justin Fields. I said from the moment he got traded to us that he was a great raw talent that just needed coaching and an O line. I've been a big Baker fan from the beginning too, but I had no idea he would blow up like he has. I'm a very pleased football fan right now.
Ngl i signed up for underdog just to use your code. I haven't bet once
I genuinely miss Big Ben, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, etc. I wonder if that style of QB will ever make a comeback. Mahomes is obviously great and we still have good new QBs like CJ Stroud but I dunno man, there was just something about dudes slinging it that was so much fun. Still though, aside from Stroud it does feel like the latest crop of QBs just has not been it.
A true field general? I mean you have some qb that are true pocket passers but the game is just bad on every level
the college RPO has killed NFL QB development...RPO developes running QBs , not passing QBs
1:03 I’d say 2018>2017. 2017 has Mahomes, but 2018 has Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.
True, and Mahomes is the most over rated QB of all time, if the Chiefs had drafted Josh Allen they would have won the last 7 Super Bowls
Mahomes didn’t play his rookie season 2017, so it really was 2018 for mahomes
@@xp7575LMFAO, 3 time winning Super Bowl QB is the most overrated of all time.
@@musicmashups yep, Reid is the reason and if he had Josh Allen instead of Lil' Patty Cake then KC would have 7 rings the past 7 years
He has to be trolling@@musicmashups
We don’t actually know if Jordan Love is good yet
He’s definitely good. He threw for 389 yards and 4 touchdowns today. He did throw 3 INTs but it’s his first game after the injury
Can we STOP throwing around the "generational talent" tag every single draft???
Hahaha!! That would mean that we can only say it once a generation. How much fun would that be?
I only heard that for Luck, Lawrence, and somewhat for Burrow and Williams.
@@EternalReich88 so you've heard it 3 times in the last 5-6 years? And that's JUST at QB. We hear it at ER, OL, pass rusher, etc. Etc. That's not a "generational talent". Micheal Jordan is a generational talent. LeBron James was a generational talent. Patrick Mahomes is a generational talent. These guys don't come into the league every year, every other year. We gotta stop being so loose with our words as a society.
@@ryanwhite9437 I've heard it for 2-4 qbs in my entire life.
04'Big Ben seemed like an anomaly.
Then the 2010's is where it really went up a notch.
Cam: set like every rookie PASSING record and rushing too
Andy Dalton:was good right out the gate too and lead his team to playoffs
Then the very next year: RGIII, russel wilson and Andrew Luck all played at a high level... Then Colin Kaepernick lead the niners to the superbowl And the craze for young QB's was at peak level!!
That has resulted in soooo so many young qbs being thrown to the wolves before they should have.
Theres no more patience given to young 22 year old qbs anymore.
And there most(quote on quote) busts than ever before!
Also, most of us Bears fans definitely knew Fields was going to be good in Pittsburgh. That's why most of us wanted to keep him. We watched the defense give up 31 PPG through 14 games, an NFL record and a historically bad defense, yet Fields got scapegoated when he was the only reason the Bears were worth watching. Never did I think Soldier Field would chant the name of our QB in a positive manner, but they did for Fields. And what made getting rid of him even tougher was that our defense FINALLY got better the 2nd half of last season, and Fields/The Bears went 5-3 to finish out the season (should've been 7-1 if it wasn't for the defense giving up 2 double digit leads in the 4th against the Browns and Lions). Without missing those 5 games with his hand injury, Fields would've had 3000+ yards passing and 700-800 yards rushing on the season.
Fields is NOT good. The only difference between this year and the last three is that he is now on a way better team with way better coaching and asked to do a lot less.
@@nicoj9984 Time well tell, but he's at least serviceable, which is better than the Steelers have had since 2019 or so.
Yes. Yes they are.
Why? Quarterback play in college is far too dependent on athleticism and not enough on developing the minds of quarterbacks and processing the offense. This leads to guys not finding their 2nd and third reads and you can’t get away with just feeding one guy and athleticism in the NFL.
Remember that back in the day that quarterbacks called their own plays too and relied far more on processing than athleticism. This also wasn’t flawless but I think that is a big factor in why many quarterbacks now are playing poorly to start their careers: we gush at the athleticism but ignore the blatant faults in their games as actual game managers, which is boring but does 100% matter.
Caleb Williams has about doubled his passing yard total in every game. If this trend continues, he’ll obliterate the single game passing yards record tomorrow
That's the issue why would you put that kinda expectations on Caleb allow this guy to get his feet wet & adjust to the NFL game? Caleb need to learn how to be a QB sure he got a hose of a arm but that doesn't make you good at quarterbacking I mean managing the game, playing great situational football, taking care of the football, taking the check downs for easy yard, it doesn't always have to be 20 yd throws down field
Penix hasn’t thrown a single incomplete yet 💪🏻
Member when everyone was hating on the falcons for drafting a rookie after paying a proven vet at QB?
Yeah, I member!
Offenses are typically behind the defense in game readiness when the offseason starts - now add players not "playing" in preseason games and you have what we are seeing. Pretty simple.
You are comparing Nix to Brees.... really? The only 2 things these QBs have in common are the coach, and their age.
People remember these retired QBs for their best performances. Brees was not always good.
@klardfarkus3891 the last 15+ years of his career were elite. It's not like he only had a few good games lmao
With Stroud it would be tough for any sophomore qb to follow the rookie season that he had. That kid had a rookie season that was legendary.
The Blame for the Lousy Young QB Play (Lousy Team Play Also) is Squarely on Roger Goddell and NFLPA!!!
They should have left the 16 Game Season alone, and Extended Training Camps from 4 weeks to 6 weeks and Left the 4 Game Preseason alone!!!
Since they Sissified and Shortened Training Camps/Preseason throughout the NFL...There has been Crappy Play All Around the League...Even the Big Names are not Producing like they used to!!!
Too Little Actual Contact (during training camps) for the Players, it's hard to put the best Teams together when you Can't Actually Evaluate the Players and their Cohesion to Function Together as a Team...This has also led to more Players getting Injured More Frequently and Easier than Before!!!
one of things holding offenses back this year is the lack of offensive line depth. the gap between OLines and DLines talent has increased for years, and its only getting bigger
As a Panthers Fan....Bryce Young cant play football in the NFL period and will probably be thr biggest bust in NFL history. People who say it's the organization's fault haven't seen one of our games. WE got 2 new WRs, 2 New Oline men, and he somehow got worse.
I bet you were over the moon when he was drafted in the first place.
@@derrickbonsell what’s your point
All im gonna say, is that when eli manning and ben roethlisberger were drafted eli underperformed and big ben went 15-1 and won a super bowl. Very similar to cj and bryce, cj set a bar that bryce has constantly been compared to. Had social media been around back then or had teams been the way they are now, the giants would’ve given up on eli in 06. He won the super bowl in 07. Gotta give these guys some time man
Jayden Daniels don't look that bad
To be fair, he hasnt really played anybody besides the Bucs
Daniels looked funtional in two games, and good in one game. Two of those games were against teams that are looking to be bottom of the league this season. Now, I'm definitely not against Commanders fans setting themselves up for disappointment, but wisdom suggests that some more data is needed first.
Daniels looked funtional in two games, and good in one game. Two of those games were against teams that are looking to be bottom of the league this season. Now, I'm definitely not against Commanders fans setting themselves up for disappointment, but wisdom suggests that some more data is needed first.
@@redbeard5939nah, you aren't watching the games if that's what you think. He played ok the first game, good the second game, and damn near perfect the third. Did you miss the point that they havent punted in two weeks? You must be stat watching bc it wasn't his fault that the oline had penalties everytime they were in the red zone against NYG.
@@davidlinehat4657 I was back and forth on wether to say the two went to functional or good (I mostly decided on giving it to functional because it is slightly more of a pick at Washington). But I'll give you two good games since you made a solid argument for it. Still... that second good performance is against the Giants.
Again, feel free to set yourselves up for the rug to get pulled out - I probably wouldn't be putting a second egg in that basket yet.
fun fact, they closed the Hyvee that Kurt Warner worked at and moved to the building next door. It’s a Slumberland now lol
Don’t overdose on copium with Bo Nix
Jayden Daniels looks good. Honestly if he continues to improve he might end up joining the 4k club as a rookie as well with the Commanders which is absurd.
Caleb Williams shows flashes of elite talent but still gets flustered. He looks night and day different from his first game and has only improved.
Bo Nix needed more time to cook but i think he will find his way eventually.
You nailed it. Those young sucessful QBs you mentioned early in your video raised people expectations of high draft pick QB's. People expect high draft picks to come out the gate balling, which is unfair to the player. What Stroud did was a anomaly.
Football is about defense too yano.. Casual football fans that wanna see more WWE like stuff are ruining this sport. Constant whining of not enough points scored blah blah blah football is half defense half offense you dont like it? Dont watch it real football fans enjoy all aspects. Sadly this pushes casual fans away which bring in the most money so therefore expect a change soon but dont bitch when games feel rigged
It's like with other sports leagues. Kids today within Pee-wee to high school. Athletes are not learning the fundamentals of their sport they play. Take football. Kids are not taught the fundamentals how to tackle while not getting hurt themselves. Now it's QB. Once offenses went pass happy & phrase out running. It opened up the weaknesses of QB's that's in the spotlight instead what would be hidden with a decent running game.
There seems like more and more evidence that some, maybe even most good QBs really do need time to make mistakes and develop. Purdy is good yeah, but Purdy also played a LOT of college games on less than stellar teams. Jordan Love is good, but Love sat for years. Geno Smith was a lot better after a few years out of the spotlight. Kurt Warner. Hell, might even be the case for Sam Darnold this year. The list goes on.
You shouldn't start a rookie, and it should be expected that they're bad if you do. You should set that expectations with your fans - I think the Patriots are the only ones taking the right approach there. Peyton Manning would've been traded after his first year with today's logic around developing QBs.
Don't doubt yourself like that Perna! Youd be an awesome daily contributor on ESPN. They would be lucky to have you. I comment this often and I still mean it, yours is the most underrated channel on youtube!!
People keep forgetting Rome was not built in an Odunze
Perna you're not allowed to make vehicle references when you can't even park yours 😂
I think a lot of people want caleb to be a bust because he presents himself as a rude immature person especially when he ignored stroud talking to him post game
He’s definitely arrogant and thinks he’s elite, a very hatable personality
@@TheDogBark27 yes I think that’s why we call him bust so fast
He’s like a cartoon, I can’t stand him. (But calling him a bust after 3 underwhelming games is insane)
IDK. Stroud should have been able to read the situation better. That was neither the time nor the place for that. Stroud came across like: Let me teach you, grasshopper.
@@rounz1 even Williams interviews he’s a dick
Rookie QBs should ideally sit behind a veteran before playing. A few who were good as rookies have made owners think that it's normal to be good right away when clearly there is a learning curve. It's okay to give QBs time to adjust
My root chakra smells like shit
Maybe Teams should invest in a O line and a running back? Someone told me those two things help out young QBs...
in the case of Bryce Young, it doesn't matter where he went, what "system" he was in, how good a team around him was etc..... he's a small, thin, unathletic soft arm Happy Meal QB who literally can't even throw quick outs and bubble screens properly, and he has to JUMP to throw a slant because he can't even see 5 yards down the field lol it's been a joke from day 1 and as a Panthers fan it legit confuses me how ANYONE EVER thought a dude built like Eddy Piniero could actually be an NFL franchise QB
This is a well done video as always Perna. It will be interesting to see how JJ McCarthy does hopefully next year. If he turns out to be a good (hopefully great) QB, is it all innate talent? Or is it the fact that he spent 1+ years learning first? It's a bit of both, but I guarantee QBs will do better if they get at least a good chunk of one season on the bench learning from a veteran QB instead of being thrown to the wolves. As a wolf, I understand this better than most.
They could be, too much emphasis on drafting QBs in the first round. This class looks okay though. It amazes me how much the so called experts are wrong though. It used to be that a lot of the QBs drafted didn't start the season as qb 1, now everyone wants them to start right away which is ruining some of these guys.
With most of these. It starts at the top and trickles down to the coaching. Plus rushing them out before they are ready to play the pro game.
A vacation to Tampa Florida last weekend made me Bo-lieve.
What a game.
Thank the heavens that Jayden Daniels has rookie QB whisperer as an offensive coordinator
Every now and then you get a Cam Newton, Andrew Luck or CJ Stroud like rookie season. Thats shouldn't be the bar for every QB. As a Bears fan, Ive watched the Green Bay system work year over year. Have your offensive guru head coach, draft a QB, sit him for at least a year, and let him get to know the system inside and out before stepping foot on the field. Tom Brady just said the other week, this should be the preferred order of operations for most QBs. Even if it's sitting behind an Andy Dalton in Carolina. Figure out the NFL while the team builds for a year or two. As far as Caleb Williams, he had a rough first 10 quarters. He did some promising things in the 2nd half of the Colts game. 33/52 360 2tds and 2int is still like a top 5 statline for a Bears QB since like, Cutler probably. He scored the 2 tds in the 4th, made it a one score game with 3 minutes and change left. If not for an incompetent coach who burned 2 timeouts early in the half, he may have had a chance to get the ball back. He'll be on his 2nd coach next year, their weapons are locked up for a few years if they can figure out a left tackle, center snd a right guard who aren't buns.
CJ strouds OL sells so hard, every big play is immediately called back. Hard to have a good stat line when every first down becomes 1st and 20
Quarterbacks used to sit for multiple seasons before they even made 2nd string. When Big Ben joined the steelers he was our backups backups. It was NEVER in the plans for him to start playing but the starter had off season surgery and the back up got hurt in week 2. After the starter returned in week 4, Ben was only supposed to play till he lost...then he just didn't lose until the AFC Championship. Then he STILL wasn't the offical starter until the end of the next preseason. They used to play behind a vet and learn everything from how to lead the team to how to manage life as a player. None of this happens anymore
This should be when coaches should remember that running backs and a good O-line can win games. Defenses are getting better but also smaller so a run game is huge for a good or bad QB.
It’s frustrating to wait, but it’s true that we need to be patient. As a Bears fan, I was pretty disappointed the first three weeks. But I have to say that the Bears looked like they had an almost functional offense against the Rams, which is pretty impressive for the Bears.
Anthony Richardson is Trey Lance. Throws a beauty deep ball... and hasn't met a slant he couldn't fuck up. He just needs game time imo.
Thank you so much for that Eli inclusion. I literally started to panic and I’m not even playing 😂
I remember when we used to let guys develop but in the social media era people just want the results asap instead of watching the rise of a great player.
Also likely doesn't help when the offensive talent swapped to defense or other sports from that Will Smith CTE movie.
17:59 I personally wondered why they called him generational when Andrew luck had been drafted five years prior and usually generations are about 10 to 15 years apart. Gives me hope for the next generational quarterback who is it…. Oh goddamnit 🐻⬇️
One issue that I see is that everyone wants to be seen as right online, so they bail on things early so they can get their "props". If you pay attention to the young QBs playing and not the stats, you will notice improvement. Daniels had a lot of half field reads, which was a great playcalling. Williams has pretty much been asked to run the offense like a vet, and I haven't seen Nix yet.
Offensive yards total is slightly down due to kickoff rule changes starting with field position that's ridiculous where they only need to go 20 yards to be in field goal range.
Young QBs are struggling yet veteran backups are performing well
Because the vets were allowed (by allowed I mean looked terrible their early seasons) to sit, learn the play book, learn the differences between college and pro, and all the other smaller details, these young QBs are getting burned with their trials by fire
10:22 somebody needs to tell Matt Eberflus that because he’s making the Bears one dimensional and the opposing teams are thanking them
They have to let these guys sit for a year so they can adjust to the professional level and expectations.
Lots of athletic quarterbacks who can't read defenses. The by far best of the bunch is a seventh-rounder who can read defenses and can master a complex playbook. Intelligence matters.
Who you kidding Perna? You'd be the best host Sportcenter has had in over a decade.
Yea good coaching staff and a consistent OL makes a huge for a young QB.
I love that the game is changing, let’s give some credit to defenses too
It takes special guys on that side of the ball to stop these high powered offenses
The goal to developing Young QBs is to not have them turn the ball over. That gives them confidence to just play good ball. Best way to reduce Turnovers, bench them for a year, maybe two or have simple offenses.
Higher and higher expectations with less and less preseason/off season work
Rookie QB’s aren’t bad, the NFL just forgot you actually have to train and build your young talent.
Pats fan here, Jacoby has a 2yr deal, no problem with having Maye sit 2yrs while rebuild an OLine and let him develop into another Rivers Allen Combo
I think what’s unfair about the CJ Stroud talk is the 2 interceptions was against the Vikings who might have one of the more unpredictable defenses and might be kryptonite against Shanahan style offenses.