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Are DUAL CPU builds really THAT BAD?? Xeon E5-2643 V3, RX 6700 XT
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2023
- Welcome to our budget-friendly dual-socket PC build guide! In this video, we'll show you how to build a powerful workstation using two Intel Xeon E5-2643 processors, an AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT graphics card, and 32GB of RAM, all while staying within a tight budget of just $600.
Here's what you can expect from this video:
Step-by-step instructions on assembling the components.
Tips on where to find budget-friendly parts.
Performance benchmarks and gaming tests.
By the end of this video, you'll have a capable dual-socket PC that can handle demanding tasks like video editing, 3D rendering, and gaming, all without breaking the bank. Join us on this budget-building journey and unlock the potential of your wallet-friendly workstation. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more budget PC build guides!
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As we say in my country: use the right tool for the right job. A dual cpu (not this one actually) setup with plenty of cores/threads are aimed for multi-tasking, a lot of containers, virtual machines and so on, not for playing games. Greetings from Brazil!
100%, although it can run games too but your right, it's fantastic at all of those other things
@@RestoTek yeah, I work as a software engineer and run several containers in my Linux box with docker. It's where the tons of cores/threads really shine. It would be nice to have a video on this topic as well, if possible.
Thanks for the benchmarks, I was dying when you said you didnt understand warzone jumping out of the plane with Nikki Minaj 😂
Seriously I had no idea what was happening 😂 it was a genuine wtf moment for me lol. I think I might do a video where I try to earn the Nikki Minaj skin 😆
@@RestoTek My impression: What the fcuk is she doing here. Its mans battlefield Warzone,aint singers.
its not the ram coming loose, its the lack of pressure on the cpu's causing ram not to show up
I tightened the screws on the cpu completely and then it didn't post so I had to take all the ram sticks out and reseat them again, was really weird
@@RestoTek its usually the pressure on the cpu that isn't correct that causes that
@2009numan it's weird because it posted fine when I bench tested it then when I put it in the case it stopped working 🤣
I'm running a zx du99d4 with dual 2699-v3 18-core cpus, 128gb 2133 ddr4 and a 6700xt.
Modded Rebar support into the bios, removed a microcode and used the 2011-v3 all core turbo mod with 50-50 offset for the cpu and cache voltage.
Sits comfortably at 3.3ghz under load and 2.8 under avx workload.
One quirk I found was that i had crashes in dx12 titles with rebar enabled, set MMIO Base to 2T instead of 56T and it fixed that issue.
if you do the Rebar mod/remove the cpu microcode then remember to do the Haswell USB3 Hotfix patch to it before flashing the file otherwise usb3 wont work properly and the pc will freak out if you put more than 64gb ram into it.
Thanks for the tip looks like you have done far more tinkering than I have, I've managed to get mine to 3.6 ghz but then it's mac Boost Clock is 3.7 ghz anyways. 2463 is less cores but higher clock speeds which I though might work for gaming a little better, I haven't found another xeon with better clocks that does not cost a fortune
@@RestoTek If i disable a few cores i think i could get mine to 3.6, with 18 cores it hits the tdp pretty quick hence why i have to do the voltage offset.
Let me know if you come across any issues with your board and i might be able to help, i have done a lot of tinkering over the past few months with my one.
@@parliamentarian6598 absolutely I'll definately let you know, just wondering but have you disabled mutli threading, does it impact performance in any way?
i left it on, things that can utilise multiple threads definitely benefit from it. Try a cinebench with Hyperthreading on and one with it off,@@RestoTek
what is the benefit of doing all that, how does your system perform 1 cpu vs 2 cpu? I do wanna add a second one to mine
By the way to get the top nvme slot working you might need to move all 4 of those jumpers up that are to the right of the second nvme slot
Yeah I played around with the jumpers for a while and managed to get both m.2 slots working but they were super slow. So in the end I just installed a pcie m.2 card and the speeds were much better
@@RestoTek on my board the top slot only runs at pcie 2.0 speed though so it tops out at 1500mbps, bottom gets 3500. i had to move all 4 jumpers to have it work.
The frame buffers happen but can be stopped with frame caps and also stopped with an AMD software that caps frames automatically through dynamic analysis (meaning 115fps on one map, 100fps cap on the other). Its called AMD Anti-Lag. They also have Anti lag +, but thats only on a few games, less than 12 currently.
So I reco either placing a solid frame cap, looks about 75-80fps for bf5 1080p
Goes silent after 6:53 - 8:00 if watching on certain phones, not sure about on desktop.
Omg that's bad, I think yt messed up my video 😵
Same for pcs.
hefty power draw @ 270 watts if pushing both of the 2643 v3s
Yeah, it's not cheap to run that's for sure
the dual aio look so sick
Yeah I love it, nothing like dual aios, you don't see that often!
I've been running a multi-CPU system as my daily driver for well over a decade and use includes gaming. Multi-CPU systems are a completely different animal compared with regular single-CPU machines. You haven't mentioned your BIOS configuration. Few multi-CPU systems support standard memory, particularly when fully populated. Leaving everything as 'default' and hoping for the best is a recipe for poor or unstable performance. Multi-CPU systems are expected to be configured for the intended use, rather than a one-size-fits-all approach. For maximum performance attention must be paid to node and affinity configuration, otherwise the system will waste resources shuffling data around internally which will significantly hit the performance.
For best gaming performance the system needs to be configured to keep a tight reign on what runs where and how within the system which is done by configuring nodes and allocating a specific processor affinity to a given executable. I have set up small batch files that automatically set the affinity for certain programs, such a games. When configured correctly, a give task such as a application or game has all the resources it needs kept a locally as possible and has exclusive use of those resources. This means that the specific program or game effectively has its own system to run on and everything else, such as the OS itself, is executed elsewhere. This maximises the performance and allows other things to be run with minimal, if any, impact on the main task. There is no virtualisation involved in this and any such functionality is, in my own experience, best disabled as it is not needed and costs performance.
@DelticEngine hi deltic, thank you, I have to say I think your far more experienced than I am, I was looking into how to setup affinity and I experimented with trying to get say OBS to only run on one CPU and the game I'm playing to only run on the other. I did turn quite a few things off in the bios but not much else. If OK with you is there a chance we could collaborate and I can make a followup video to this one?
What about Lock Freq ? Do they run at 3.4Ghz ? Or Turbo mode is enabled ?
Turbo mode is enabled and they don't quite get up to 3.7ghz, they manage about 3.6 ish
the only issue with these boards is some dont support quad channel . so i recommend going fort one that has quad channel
Pretty much an i7 2600. I wonder if Windows 11's improved scheduler would help leverage the second cpu.
I'll give that a try! Need to see if windows 11 allows me to install it 🤣
@@RestoTek I'm using windows 11 workstation edition and it utilizes both cpus fine i think win11 pro would work fine too. Just remember to enable Numa in the bios.
It's better if you don't consider the power draw. Passmark rated it roughly 25% faster single thread and twice as fast overall. Just bought a pair myself, and the Passmark rating is conservative as many people don't know how to properly configure their systems. 😇
hello and congratulations for the video. I would like to know if a computer like this (double CPU) can also be used for daily work such as rendering and retouching. what can you tell me about energy consumption? Is it worth consuming much more energy for performance in line with that of a modern CPU? Thank you in advance👋🏻😉
I was surprised by the power consumption it wasn't as bad as I thought but yes it certainly more power hungry than modern systems. In terms of rendering and retouching what software are you using?
@@RestoTek Hello and thanks for the reply. The programs I use are the following:
- CupCut
- Photoshop CS
“Winzip” compression programs and DVD to MKW conversion
@@stefanograzi9299 let me give them a try and I'll let you know how it performs
The best way to stabilize FPS is to turn off Vsync in game and turn it on via GPU control panel.
@@sandorphoenix I might give that a try! Thanks for the tip
Can it run Cult of the Lamb, with no stutters, at a base with 20+ followers and 4+ farmstations with farming plots filled out?
Just answered under my other vid
is it perfect to run an LLm or GPT on it? I'm thinking of buying specs like this but with 64GB RAM
Haven't tried it but probably would work, you would need to get different cpus then I got. I'm guessing more cores are better for these kind of processes
These dual CPU systems were wonderful when you needed to edit videos and the software could load all the cores.
Since you can't really overclock them in any easy way, there kind of like a road apple. Sure its still good but who wants it?
They still do Fantastic if you use your system only for casual gaming and a daul use setup where you do more work then games.
If you LOVE to do video editing? Or live streaming? These dual CPU boards (If you can get them to work properly) loaded with the Maximum amount of ram still work PERFECT in a Live streaming scenario where you got TONS of Tabs open in Chrome and doing multiple video streams windows etc. But since you can't really overclock them? Just as good to go with the prebuilt workstations out there.
If you LOVE to Multitask, these machines rock
Gaming? I just can't say they are a good value overall with things like AM-5 $500 CPU's with a Slight overclock to them beating them out without any issue and doing it at a FRACTION of the power as well.
Then you get all the New Instructions sets backed on the CPU's today as well that some of these older model Chips just don't have.
Then there is I/O. Gen 3 PCI still works for the 4090 just fine. But Gen 4.0 PCI--e is the future proof right now that will last you for the next 10 years easy.
I totally agree, dual cpu systems are pretty cool and I loved building this system. It was great fun but when you break it down it can be a bit finicky to get working, power draw is much higher, you can't overclock, and overall the architecture is generally outdated. It's a shame but I guess there might be a niche out there that could have use of it
Can u do cinebench on this one?
Yeah absolutely I'll give that a try and get back to you all with a follow up video
Did you manage to get the memory to work in quad channel or just dual? Thats where im stuck with the same board with all 8 slots populated with 16 Gb samsung ecc 2400 dimms
I might be wrong but I don't think this can run in quad channel. I think each bank of 4 memory slots is allocated to each socket, so only dual channel per socket?
I think you're onto something there , and no I'm not being sarcastic
I wonder, if there were a motherboard with a chipset controlled pcie 3.0 x16, if that would alleviate the latency. I was always told not to installed GPU in the second x16 rails of a PC because that one isnt connected directly to the CPU but since the poor 1% lows in games here are likely because its connected directly to one cpu controlled pcie slot but not the other. So variable latency when a core from cpu 2 tries to process.
Interesting I'll need to have a look into this, thinking of making another video around this
@@RestoTek good luck to you! It can be difficult to find info on these boards. I look forward to watching it!
@jerryknudsen7898 haha I know I've looked and there isn't allot, I just poke it and see if it does something different
@@RestoTek that's pretty much all you can do lol I do the same with weird parts. There's 10,000 videos of an I9-13900k and virtually no data something weird like dual xeons, or even the 5700G testing with ideal settings which I just broke down and did myself out of curiosity 😅 the curse of chasing obscure information
This is weird... i have the same motherboard and my dual 2699v3 setup doesnt stutter at all with bf1 or bfv..
It's must be some kind of mobo gremlin lol, I have to admit, it's a fairly good motherboard!
@RestoTek Mine is the DU99D4 1.11 or something like that. I also have 64gb of Atermiter ram which outlasted my shitty corsair vengeance ram in my other system. Anyways yeah I only get micro stutters in games like GTA IV and Borderlands 3
i liked the looks better before u sanded the heatsinks bro
Quite a few people said that to me lol, might repaint them maybe
please cabinet link i have dual xeon
Cabinet link?
If you want to try a dual XEON system don't bother with building something, case/PS/memory/MB even from the cheapest chinese websites will run you over 300USD. Old dual CPU workstations are dirt cheap. HP z640's are less than 200USD. If you keep and eye out you can get them with 32-64Gb ram and 950w PS and SSD drives. Sometimes the CPU's are not ideal but you can get any used E5 v3/v4 f0r less than 40USD, a lot are less than 20USD.
@JamesDeSimone-im7tz sometimes people just give those away bur they are such a good base to build from!
@@RestoTek I know. They are considered e-waste. z840's are great systems too. I picked up 2 for less than 300USD. Single CPU systems are even cheaper. They are fun to play with.
im trying dual 2680v4. will it be better then getting the 5600x?
I'm nor sure tbh, try it and let me know 🙂
nah get 5600 so you can upgrade to a 5800X3D down the line
5600x
I use 2x2680v4 and do mods for this model at my github. Fixed somethings at bios level and port rebar at native way for this model!.
supermicro x10dri have built in USB 3.0, much better mobo than a chinese one and extremely easy to set up properly
if you want to work the CPUs themselves..go 1080p or 1440p..not 4K at 4K the gpu is doing a lot of the lifting not as much CPU
Someone else mentioned this to me also, it's a good point that I didn't realise before, I think I will revisit the dual cpu setup at some point
@@RestoTek be interesting to see those results. Maybe run cinebench test too
@@marcc5768 yeah ill give it a re run
I have dual e5 2697v3 32 ram rx 580
Sounds like a pretty amazing system :)
use inspectre to disable meltdown and specter probably give this old girl a nice boost
I'll give that a try, thanks for the tip 🙂
If you gonna test the cpu I recommend you use lower resolution like 1080p and low preset because when you put everything in high you are testing just the Gpu, this is a GPU test not CPU. There’s don’t gonna be any bottleneck testing in 4k high settings, you just saturated VRAM and GPU usage.
Thank you, I'll keep that in mind and see what the results are if I reduce the settings, thing is though if stress the gpu then would that not show if the cpu can keep up with the gpu?
@@RestoTek When you use lower resolution the GPu can push more and get more fps, so there is when the CPU work start because it needs to make posible that the GPU reach its maximum performance reaching the higher FPS without be limited by the CPU. And no. just use cinebench for CPU benchmark, HeavenMark for GPU, each benchmark is specialized to stress an specific component.
@hectoralmonte2036 thank you that makes total sense!
ive got dual 240mm in the same config and its totally overkill, stock coolers or 120mm aio's would have done the trick
It completely is overkill but doesn't it look awesome though 🤣
@parliamentarian6598 Hello, i want to make a similar config. Can the two 240mm aio radiators can be placed at the top of the case, does it have enough space ? In Which case ?
@z0rix55 my case in the video is pretty massive and I wouldn't have been able to fit 2 x 240mm on the top, would be interesting to see what @parliamentarian6598 comes back with
cooler master Haf700 beserker@@z0rix55
i have the Haf700 Beserker, you could fit 5x 240mm aios inside it at once if you wanted@@RestoTek
You got bad fps in warzone is because of your GPU and not CPU. Rx 6700XT just simply too weak for 4k. While your GPU is on 100% your CPU(s) only worked at 30-35%.
@imbot3804 I'll try it with a rtx 3080ti see what happens
A pair of decade-old Xeons is a pretty terrible choice for a gaming machine.
You'd be much better off putting together something like a 2nd or 3rd gen Ryzen system for the same money (or possibly less).
(Just for anyone else watching this who's thinking about going down this route).
@derekgalbraith1508 it's not a bad shout, also power consumption would be far less, although in terms of cool factor I think dual xeons takes it 😉
Hua-Nhan-Zhi
Those heat sinks look like shit , theres brush finished look and there’s a kid with a hand sander and that’s exactly what you did to those poor heat sinks that had war stripes on them lol. Anyways great video on the rest ❤
😅 I thought they looked better, the original heat sinks had chipped paint etc and I couldn't be bothered to paint them again lol, glad you liked the video tho, might do a prize draw soon giving away free heatsinks 🤣
@@RestoTek one thing about personal computers is that first keyword with in itself”Personal “ . If you like the outcome it’s all that matters .
I think Fhd or Qhd would perform much better
Yeah fhd and qhd you would get fairly good results. To be honest I bought these parts when prices were still rediculous so makes less sense now compared to 6 months ago
Kinda unfair to the cpu's to run at 4k with the 6700 xt... not really a 4k card, its more for 1440.
Short! Yes, they are really bad!♿
I just built a Dell precision T7810 with dual Xeon 2690 v4 2.6ghz base clock with 3.2 turbo. 1 64 GB stick of ddr4 at 2400 MHz for each cpu. 1660ti for gpu. Tested a few games at 1080p high settings
Valorant steady 165 fps while capped
Rust 90 fps with hardly any drops
Valheim was interesting as it was originally only 40-60 fps even with settings dropped but used the steam launch option -USEALLAVAIABLECORES and it went too 90-110 fps
I’m experiencing some issues with valorant randomly disconnecting from game servers, and my microphone (hyper x quadcast s) just stops working randomly
It's pretty impressive what such an old system can achieve. I was using it for a while and I never really had many major issues. I played valorant for a while and it was fine. The only problem was if I took one stick of ram out the system would fail and then I would need to add each one by one