AliExpress PC Build: Atermiter Dual Xeon X99 Madness
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2024
- Last thing I needed to do is build another PC but AliExpress has tempted me once again and I ended up buying this ridiculous E-ATX motherboard that supports dual Xeon CPUs.
Components used:
Atermiter Dual X99 Motherboard With LGA2011-3 XEON E5 2680 V4 *2 CPU With 4pcsX8GB = 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Server Memory Combo Kit
CPU Cooler 4 Heat Pipes Copper Tube 3/4Pin PWM PC Quiet For Intel LGA 2011 90mm Cooling Fan Screw Fixation Server X79 X99 E3 E5
Vansuny 512GB NVMe M.2 Internal Solid State Drive PCle 3.0 TLC NVMe M.2 SSD 3D NAND NVMe M.2 2280 Speed up to 2900/2700MB/s Internal Solid State Hard Drive PCIe SSD
Asiahorse 16AWG Pro Power Supply Sleeved Cable for Power Supply Extension Cable Wire Kit 1x24-PIN/ 2x8-PORT (4+4) M/B,3x8-PORT (6+2) PCI-E 30cm Length with Combs(Dual EPS Black)
AGV Series 750W Power Supply, 80 Plus Bronze Certified, Semi Modular Power Supply
Antec Performance Series P7 Neo Mid-Tower E-ATX Silent Case, 5.25" ODD Support, 3 x 120mm Fans Included, Sound-Dampening Side Panels, White LED Power Button,Black 
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x99 longevity has been wild - it's amazing how much multi threaded performance you can still get for super cheap.
Dude, I have been building PCs for 29 yrs and my main rig is a Ryzen 5950X 16/32 w/64 gigs and I'm all about what you're doing here, keep it up.
The Xeons are old tech so make very affordable PCs. Mine cost 20 bucks and I snapped it into an old mainboard and overclocked it. It outpaces my more modern I5 cpu easily.
@@ManOfMonismold but gold still
50 mins of pure joy this video
I liked this video, I am considering getting one of these platforms for myself as well. Good information, Thanks! FYI Your Mic is glitching on the right channel, I thought it was my computer until I replayed the video and found it was to do with your audio track. It was kinda annoying, You may need to switch it to Mono for the Mic or you may need to replace it. Cheers!
Waiting for the day thread ripper appears on AliExpress.
Same!!
Why not pick up some of the unlocked Epyc setups, they are kind of pricy but not too bad.
I don't know about thread rippers but am4 ryzen is on AliExpress and it is dirt cheap. This is why old xeons are obselete.
They are already on Ali express lol. Search for them I can bet you I have found a few
Why, single core the first and second worser score and watt per ipc than a good clocked x99.
I ran 4.2 @1.13v (138 watt) and 4.3 @ 1.15v (157 watt) with 1660v3.
Scores faster than threadripper second edition.
Multicore always threadripper faster.
And i can go up to 4.8ghz ( 240 watt) on 1.35v core voltage on all cores.
I dont see why i buy threadripper.
I no one aplication that uses multicore scores most times lower dan x99.
What i have tested.
X99 can run FSB 100/125/166 as bclk😊
The shape of the memory is to distribute the insertion force. The force isn't across the entire ram stick at the same time.
The V4 cpus run very cool. The v3 can be overclock with turbo unlock but not much faster. I have one 2680v4 that runs as fast as the 2697v3 that is turbo unlocked at 3.6ghz on multicore. The v4 chips runs ram at 2400 mhz while the v3 chip is locked at 2133. The 40mb L3 cache on the v4 is very useful in apps using few chores. Great server / workstation board. I think these dual boards lower the ram to 2133 when 4 modules are populated.
At least I am not alone in forgetting to bend the tabs.
montei um x99 ano passado com um cpu 2667v4 32gb ddr3 quand chanel ram rx5700xt8gb ssd gen 3 nvme e não acreditei no desempenho ... eu montei esse setup pra emular wiiu em 1080p 75fps e consegui com folga ... lembro que paguei uma quantia bem baixa nele (em comparação as plataformas atuais) e o desempenho que me ofereceu valeu muito a pena. eu sei que hardware moderno ganha mais engajamento e atenção do publico mas no muitas pessoas também se beneficiam desse conteudo mais "custo beneficio" . grato por existir canais assim e poder ter um setup util e com o preço justo graças a canais como esses .
Excellent video! FYI, they started tapering the signal end of RAM terminals on DDR4. DDR5 has the taper as well.
That Vegas Pro 12 with m2ts files bring me lot of memories from my childhood.
I got one but I installed Linx mint on it all works great. I am using it for some video editing but mostly graphics design that make up animated movies. What was taking me on average 9 hours, now takes me 3 hours, for a 20m short animation. I fitted it with 2x AIOs I had to make my own brackets out of sheet aluminium to fit them but no problems. I have it set up in my old Cooler master X1 Server case from 2012 they are massive I needed that because it already has my 1200w APU fitted and an 8 bay HDD caribe each having 2Tb storage space all holding files from past jobs and uncompleted jobs I'm still working on. I'm happy with it its much faster than my older setup.
from the start i knew all the problems you was going to have, fun fun
high quality video, keep it up
Seems like a fun build! :D
Tip for Dual NVME:
On the right of the NVME slot (17:15 where you installed your drive), there are 4 black jumpers together.
Change all of them and put a second NVME in the other Slot
I have this same motherboard and I use 2 NVME. The only thing I haven't found out yet is whether it's possible to Raid with both...
Very fun and optimistic. You may find that a R5 3600 for $65 on Ebay will outperform this old multi core tech. You might run some comparable benchmarks though.
@@heisenburgerking3621 65W vs 145W. After paying your electric bill for 1 year which would be cheaper and which one runs NVME 4.0 and USB3.2?
VERY neat build! I like it! Would be great to test some more games on it! :D What about CS2? :D
Excellent video, Can you make a video testing the performance of that PC playing Arma 3?
Great video, what i love to see.
Get Windows 10 :LTSC on there and it'll last you for many years. That's now a solid and potent video workstation. Nice job. Vegas / Davinci I belive both can use GPUs to assist with rendering, so you will get mileage out of upgrading to a 20 or 30 series RTX card for that.
I used to have an X99 system like this waaaay back.
very interesting. i am always wondering if we can arrange the cpu fans facing to the side, so the second one wont suck the hot air from the first one.
The side shaved RAM might be for easier insertion in two stages.
I got a very similar motherboard in 2020, I've been using it since then. It works well. I'm running VMware ESXi 8 on it and at some point I had 41 VMs running, totally fine.
One issue I had thought, started recently. I think SATA controller is about to give up. Sometimes disks suddenly disappear and come back later. I hope your one works better! Never tried Windows on it though.
I got my board a few months ago, and ran into the first issue: not all m.2 ssds work.
Also I got bigger coolers to push more air, since the board itself needs ventilation too it seems. Its really hot overall. Not only cpus.
As a case I got the bequiet 802.
hi, i love your walk-through on setting up. I like it that you have listed your parts, please include the links to the website, so if we want to order we can.
i have the same board. both m.2 slots support nvme. gotta change the jumpers to swap the top one from sata to pcie
13:45 - They're not "shaved", they're actually tapered. I have a kit of 64gb (16 x 4 dimms) DDR4 and they've got the same tapered ends. I think it's made on purpose for insertion into their sockets. All in all, this board is not too shabby for the price it comes. The only drawback is the Gigabit ethernet, but it depends on what you are going to do with the system. The bios isn't bad also, considering it's a chinese board. I saw a video of a similar system which mounted a 2060 I believe, and under stress it was barely pulling some 300ish watts.
Nice video about the "x99" dual xeon aliexpress mainboards. I am going to build a proxmox homeserver with a similiar x99 aliexpress board.
cheaper with the same power (like 56+ threads, 64 oder 128 ram) is almost impossible.
OK time to order a X99 combo set for my editing rig . grate video
Great grammar
@@XanderRadev i know it's bad i m form sri lanka
what is the power consuption in indle and dayly use ?
I'll take a dual Xeon over a more modern CPU. I'm running one now. Never been happier! The heatsinks look like dog sh!t. I had an old i7 920 mainboard and decided to look for a Xeon for it after watching a YT vid by someone. I got the X5670 for 20 bucks which snapped right in and overclocked it to 3.2 GHz. Best PC I've ever had!
Built one of these dual Zeon beasts 4 yrs ago. Had to source my own CPUs and memory. Only 2 of 6 SATA were SATA 3. Could only get 96GB of the 128GB working. Windows 10 update hasn’t worked since late 2022.
I have never seen memory "shaved" like that... so yeah, odd .... Still watching and waiting to see if it boots, what a way to keep my attention that is! 😂
i have all my 64 gb of corsair vengeance 2666 ram sticks look like this ??
@@seanwood5443 it's legit the way all standard DDR4 PCBs are, all DDR4 modules I have ever seen (about 8 brands in person at this point) all have the tapered contact edge, noticed this about 3 years ago. My educated, amateur opinion on the change in the shape was to alleviate board flex and insertion force requirements for putting in memory, the edges being higher would make the pressure they require to happen after the center of the ram's contacts are already in place and "relaxed" instead of the old days where the entire module's contact pad had to be pressed between contacts all at the same time.
Beautiful assembly so smooth, in the no name chinese case hehe, grettings.
You could use small coolers. Those CPU models are power efficient, so do not get as hot as you obviously thought they would.
But if you got the whole thing as a kit.... Then you saved some significant coin.
I'm just curious how much you will get billed by customs a month later.
I've gotten stuff from AliExpress before, and then get a surprise customs charge a month after delivery.
But haven't ever spent more than 30 USD, so I think max I've seen was about 4 USD.
wheeeeeeew that baby rips
I have a Lenovo dual xeon e5-2694v4 workstation that I use every day. I wonder how it would compare to this build.
just a heads up the shaved down ram is common on oem modules such as micron samsung sk hynix while corsair is straight alot of ddr4 sticks are shaved like that thi
I was going to say the same thing. I tought my ram had some shady chinese things going on them but even the ones i bought new were like this.
My last PC used 2 SATA SSDs and a HDD, the OS was on a SATA SSD. My new PC and laptop use NVMe M.2 drives. Downloading or opening a game is tremendously faster with the M.2 drives.
This is typical server board bios. The memory info is under submenus. It's laid out more how they are connected. So memory should be under cpu.
I found that the QPI doesn't work quite as well as I remember it did back in 2014. I have the V-1.31 which has the C612 server chipset and even though 5 GT/s seems fast on paper it's not.... Like at all.
That'd be a nice virtualization box for proxmox/vmware. :> Also.. Geekbench it!
That is literally what I’m testing out right now lol
Someone gets it.
Keep an eye on the VRM temps.
I like X99 stuff, its all cheap fun now. Its not the fastest, and its single thread speed is gonna hurt.
Def fun 2nd boxes!
Did you have problems with it? I am using this board and the computer freezes sometimes, I guess it's the motherboard temps. I can't really see it in linux. CPU temp is good though 45-55 C. However, when I touched the motherboard's heatsinks it was really hot.
i'm curious to know the power consumption on that build when you are rendering video or your regular work flow.
Another Dual "X99" user: 2*2690v4+64gb 2400 (max supported speed on this Xeons V4) and AMD RX590 - Run flawes
how is gaming performance on this? i heard on dual cpu it can come to stutters
@@Daniel-ye1ssif you leave some PCIe lanes for "comunication" between those 2 cpus than no. Usually the "comunication" is done via 16+8 PCIe lanes so the each CPU leave you 16 lanes, 32 in total. The " comunication " is not really a comunication but it is synchronization. And the sync is done via memory ( faster memory means faster and more precise sync ) via cache and buses and bus is also a PCIe. But yea.. there is not as much difference because you can occupie both 16x slots and both x4 for NVMe and pc will work anyway. The stuttering comes from misunderstanding between 2 cpus where both cpu request same thing. Nothing speciall... those cpus has error correction already implemented inside but that needs to be done extremely fast othwerwise it will fall in to the request loop and just after few nanoseconds it will freeze. Or both cpu will freeze and you'll have BSOD. But usually this is happening even on 1cpu config, the app itself could be somewhere in the kernel badly written and if you do speciffic moves, it fall in to the request loop.
Dual CPU is not a good deal for Gaming, most games don't use more than 6 cores.
The internal ring that connect the cores on processors with more than 10 cores have issues in Xeon v3 and v4, this is not a bug is a feature.
The swich context between the numas is on OS and can charge a lote of overloads.
If you don't have a load of work running in parallel to make cores busy two CPUs only bring trobles.
The better application for this machine is work with multiples independente systens running in the same machine with virtualization.
@@Prescott2400-my6di you have absolutely no idea brother... Yes, modern games does not require more than 6 cores but higher is always better. Let's just say 8C/16T, absolute sweetspot. You'll leave some cores for the rest of the system so you won't have stutters. On the other hand dual cpu config is only good if you pick a right xeon. You need higher core clock and higher core count.
I'm running on dual X5690 cpu, those are 6 cores 12 threads so i have 24 threads in total. What motherboard am i using? I bought from alliexpress X58 dual cpu motherboard with overclocking feature. Pretty rare. I have both cpu clocked at 4.6GHz and i can smoke shit out of the i9 9900KS in workload because i have 8 more threads. In gaming, this cpu sucks because it lacks some instructions but it is kinda fun to work with this pc
Cinebench 23 Scores?
How does it stack up against modern 32-48 cores cpu's
what is the power draw of the system on idle and on usual/sress usage?
It's interesting from a point of view how much raw server power you can get for cheap if you find the right deal, but apart from the ammount of pci-e lanes (if the china mobo supports it well) I bet a 5950 gives you same perf in a reasonable modern system. But even AM4 parts is comming down in price you can not get it for under 500$. It comes down to how good that mobo is. It's kinda something like what the older Mac Pro's are build with and they were pretty awsome for pro DAW work with loads of orchestral tracks running at the same time, but it IS old tech today
please post more vr chat videos, i love those
if you want to
Wow same setup as mine, different case/fans though. Have you found any bios upgrades?
I'm just happy it even works ha ha. I did see a video where someone did upgrade the bios on this same setup and they ended up having a bit of trouble with it.
I'm too much of a klutz/fumblefingers to build a computer with bog standard components, let alone having to deal with the quirks of this kind of build. I'd end up screwing something in crooked and so on.
Love the rack of vintage synth gear visible in places.
hardly possible nowadays to mess up building a pc...in the business since the 80s, build my own pcs since the early 90s, i´d say today...for dummies. plus u have the whole internet :D
I had 4 of these with 36 threads each processor for vast. vram temps kept it throttling. was going to sink them in a tank of fluid but sold them.
Power consumption seems fun
All DDR4 tapers the socket like that so that it doesn't get used in another socket and to help when locking it in.
The edge of the memory is not shaved, some server ram has that style such as some hynix modules.
Also these chinese branda take those used modules, slap on their thin metal heat spreaders so as to make them sellable as new.
You mixed M3 standoffs EU with #6/32 standoffs US m3 screws remain stuck bad in the other ones and viceversa test them outside case first with screws, or you damage SMD chips around ( you'll need to force them off...).
Sir can we disable one because while gaming dual cpu causes problems
It will be interesting to put a modern desktop cpu against these old things since a few of the new Ryzens from AMD have now reached the speeds in blender, cinebench as first gen Threadrippers, also I remember GN testing one of these X99 boards three years ago (Titled: 24 Cores, 48 Threads for $360: Dual-X99 Jingsha Motherboard vs. AMD R9 3900X) they even got an official evga x99 board to see how the Ali board was different in speed and it was pretty much the same just custom bios to get the hardware to work since those boards use components scraped from ewaste and the end result after blender, cinebench and adobe premier was they just could not recommend it as a viable system since modern cpu's do a better job.
All depends on the price. I took such a board at a deal recently along with DUAL 14c(28threads) 16nm Xeons for about 76$ plus got used 4x16gb 2666 ECC RAM for about 50$.
Got results: 4007 in CINEBENCH R15, also 9015 in R20.
You can do 2698v3’s 32cores and a board for $120. Depending on the task requirements such as memory bandwidth desktop Zen3 and below doesn’t stand a chance at $3.33 per core with the board. Not to mention near $1/gb ddr4 ecc something desktop doesn’t offer.
Honestly after seeing this I think I am going to build one of these to replace my Gen2 I7 build that I've been running since ... -_- ... yeah gen2 ...
Prior to that I had a dual Pentium 3 setup (i think) which I used for over a decade and it honestly out performed all of the P4 series computers simply because dual processor PC's tend to be absolute monsters when it comes to anything number crunchy.
All I have to do is find a somewhat good graphics card to put in this .. hmmm
Thinking about ordering this board and cpu's with ram for my server, they are pretty cheap.
Wait for this bro, ALL DDR4 has a curved edge. Also as far as the ATX-12v CPU power connectors are concerned you could have ran one 4 pin to each connector and been fine provided the CPUs didn't use 175-200w per chip all the time, once in a while would be fine for even that though.
do you still have the actual link you buy motherboard with Xeon chip from Aliexpress? Thanks
How much watts this system takes when idle? (on windows desktop, lets say)
Hi Mr Coopertom? Are you using it as a DAW? How is your conclusion about this dual Xeon processing audio in real time? Thanks in advance.
I was planning on using it as a DAW but I ended up using this PC as my main work PC for Unity, and video editing. So far its been rock solid and burns though rendering jobs with no problems. I'm currently using the previous i7 4790k build as the DAW now which I found out is more than enough to run all the virtual synths I have so the x99 would have been total overkill.
wow, with this I can open 20 bluestacks instances
Instead of just openeing a single app, you can create a windows virtual machine 20 times and run bluestacks with more apps.
Only need the two power connectors next to each other - the far one makes no difference
thwe tapered edge connectors on the ram is a DDR4 thing, standard desktop ram is the exact same way
Little secret about the fans when installing them if they don't have an arrow on them. The side that the sticker is on is the intake air, the side that is open where the coil is, thats where the air will come out
What is power consumption like?
I got a pair of 2683 v4 and so i thought the same board got code 79 and only can get one cpu to work?? Both cpus tested and work. I think i need a bios update but where to find ???
I-Engineer perhaps?
Got a pair of 2699 v3 going now
Is it still working? How’s electricity usage? Thanks
Cooper needs an LTT Screw driver lol watching that cheap hardware store driver slip when he's tightening the screws lol.
Nice .
The only thing that concerns me about these is durability.
hey uhh, is it safe to use molex to 8pin or pci-e to 8pin to powerup second cpu? Cuz my psu has only one 8pin cpu
In this board you can use a single 8pin CPU power.
i use a strix x99 witha rtx 3060ti and its motherboard ive bios unlockedwith the turbo boost hack and the rebar hack running on a e5-2696 v3 @ 3.7ghz all cores 18 c 36 thread tdp @ 150 and i love my machine i downgraded froma i7 6850k at the time for this chip and im well happy renders my davinci videos really fast
If I had to guess, I'd say they shaved a little bit of the gold off the end to melt down for more profit
How has the performance been, can you please kindly share. 🙏🏿👌🏿
I'm finding it difficult to make a decision on which dual motherboard I should go for.
You never really know what you will get when you order, but the one he got is V1.31 (2024 BIOS) and not to bad, it's more of, not which is the best more, which is least crap.
But they are great fun and they will teach you loads - there is no paperwork supplied, so you're on you're own but Google will be there for you.
hi
i was wondering how much power does your system draw from the wall on idle without a gpu just iding 5-10% usage
oh man, I don't even want to know. I've read somewhere that each processor at idle uses 60 watts
Loads, iSeePassword will kick the crap out of it, and now I don't need to turn the heating on in the office.
Even just sitting there I can use it as a hand dryer.
Good afternoon! I bought a ZX-DU99D4 V1.31 dual cpu. And it is showing error 79. What could it be?
Not sure what that code is off the top of my head but I know when I first powered my system on it has to go through a few initial tests which took some time. I'd say, pull the CMOS battery to reset the BIOS and power it up again but let it run for about 10 min and see what happens. If it doesn't get past that error, pull some of the memory sticks and see if you can get it to boot with just one stick. If that works, power it down, add another stick of memory and see if it boots again. Then repeat. Hope it works!
I'll get 69 or 79, reseat your ram. Reseat them 1 at a time.
you should try folding@home on this beauty
V3 xeons are better than V4's. You can use simple hack to remove micro code and enable all-core turbo to get tons of extra performance. I have two X99 builds. Love them to death. The only issue is that it's all about luck what you receive when you oder from Aliexpress. I bought two 2698 V3's and one of them was faulty and caused crashing when the power usage was closing the TDP value.
Which of the X99 dual motherboard would you advice someone should go for?
@@tarrid2271 Depends on your budget. Lower end something like 8D4 or ZX-DU99D4X8. For higher end F8D or D8 Max.
"I am using 2630 v3 in X99 and it is working fine, but 1650 v3 2x is not working. It shows 'CPU not present'."
1 in 1650v3 means SINGULAR CPU.
2 in 2630v3 means DUAL.
@@BrickTextures-hm1uy thanks bro
👍👍
Suggestion. Don't open plastic stuff in front of the microphone.
also i have a similar board could you test if it works with 1 cpu?
They doo, Socket 1 is the one towards the back of the board.
Anyone who is lookimg for coolers, even tho it is marketed x99 it is not. It is lga 2011-3 make sure ur coolers support this socket
the main difference on coolers is that the ihs on the v4's are a bit taller, v3 coolers still work, just keep an eye on bracket tension
All fan,s and cooler maker is make same mounting cooler models is not about how is cheap that is standard for PC motherboard not for server, but if don,t like make your own and show us how you do in your way.
Cooler cpu nome ??
@13:45 - all DDR4 (DIMM) has that shape - it's normal
tag link of purchase
thats completely normal man ddr4 ram all looks like that
For gaming or anything single core , this is no Bueno. Also only makes use of dual channel memory. Takes a lot of bios setting changes to get just right, jumper settings for 2nd nvme to work. In hindsight I should have built one with a machinist board instead but didn't have any documentation
using this boards for gaming is kinda nonsense. Games mostly need single core power. And for sure do not need 64gb ram oder even 128gb...
But for linux homservers this boards must be amazing... i have my eyes also on one of this aliexpress maschinist dual xeon boards...
Still working? :)
Can u use non ecc on that motherboard?
Yes. I would have went with non ecc myself but ecc ram just came with the kit.
@@Coopertom i have 4 regular ddr4 with 2680v4, so it will be waste if i need to buy ecc ram for dual configuration 😁
and my last question, the vrm can handle dual 2680v4 with no issue right?
maybe next month i buy this board
All ddr4 as you call it are shaved down like that.
is this still working fine ? pls upload new video about this built
just because it came from amazon for more money doesn't mean it didn't come from aliexpress..