Why is Lebron wearing 23? because MJ is the GOAT, on the court, off it, sneaker deals, movies, documentaries anything MJ did became the blueprint to copy.
We all love MJ for his shoes. We don’t care for his selfish plays. He’s equivalent to Wilt, except wilt only won 6 rings. Remember it’s a team game, it’s not about one player so don’t get it twisted.
"off the court" WTF MJ is still dominating off the court... there's a really good reason why Jordan brand eclipses all other NBA players brands... like yo, that's off the court.
@just… That really good reason was what Mike did on the court. His accomplishments on the court made everything off the court as successful & impactful or whatever as it has been all these years. It’s the same thing with Mike’s 6-0…he’s not the Goat because he has a 6-0 record in the Finals, that ninja went 6-0 in the Finals because he’s the best and most complete player ever, the Goat.
@@davids.7845well he won MVP(which is what I think she was talking about) DPOY, as well as All defense and NBA first team as well as lead the league in scoring and steals in one season. I have never seen another person ever do that
Women…………. It’s a whole new ball game. You can’t sit here and tell me the game doesn’t evolve and it’s stayed the same. The reason why there is an argument is because it isn’t clear who is GOAT
Shes right though.. if you never watched a game in your life and someone gives you lebron and michael jordon resume and ask you which one is the g.o.a.t , who do you think people are gonna pick
@@chasenickles260you can actually watch the game to make an argument for Bron. That’s why we watch the game based every component such as playmaking, ballhandling, defense, shooting, accolades and more. Even though MJ is the goat, doesn’t you can’t watch 🏀 and not make a point
She means scoring title. And yes jordan won the scoring title and DPOTY in the same season. He’s won multiple scoring titles, mvps, 1st team all defense in the same season. This debate isn’t really close.
@@StarryNight4024Lebron didn’t make scoring his number one priority like Jordan did…different styles of play…Lebron dished out 8AST a game to help his teammates
@Turkeycock28 Well, prior to MJ's Wizard seasons lowering some of his career avgs (assists being one of 'em), when he retired in '98 his apg avg stood at 7 a game. Which means that he was handing out 7apg to "help his teammates", while playing OFF the ball. LBJ on the other hand, avgs 7apg as the facilitator. Let that sink in for a min....
@@camgrizzly Nope. If the only way to pimp up Lebron is to discuss “off court” greatness, then the debate is dead. Both are extreme capitalists. Anyone who thinks that the I Promise school is coming totally out of Lebron’s pockets, I’ve got a house on the lake to sell to you. Lebron’s family man image hasn’t been dented yet because he hasn’t been busted.
shoes or shoe sales is not off the court. i mean you can't play basketball without a pair and it's part of the game and culture 😄. being a philantrophy doesn't involve anything with basketball so that's off the court.
I ain’t never went to The gym and picked up players based on what they do off the court lmaoo. Be in the gym talking about is you a good dad ? Do you help out in the community. Ok bet I got u. 😂😂😂
Michael Jordan is a philanthropist he just doesn’t compete like Lebron in philanthropy to be a better human. Jordan has done a lot more than people credit him ALOT MORE
She debunks Lebron for his involvement in the community but wants to bring up Jordan’s shoe deals and the relationship between shoes and other Athletes. FOH.
That's always been a hard one for me, as I've gotten older I realize some people just aren't built for community activism and that's all right... But MJ, he just don't give a foook bout nobody tho!!! LoL I love LeBron and hate Jordan, but MJ is still the GOAT.
@@ImBarryScottCSSif lebron didnt have all his sneaker endorsements he wouldnt have gone to miami and taken a paycut... if michael jordan didnt do his 1 year 30 mil deal lebron wouldnt have thought to do the same in cleveland... jordan upped the value of an all time great player allowing them to dictate more of what happens on their team. Something lebron directly benefitted from
Every single student in LeBrons iPromise Academy’s 8th grade class failed the Ohio State math test last year so why do people keep showing the school like it’s something to be proud about? 💯
Crazy y'all say that but Bron was doing nada until he started forming super teams .. y'all talk Scottie but show me a player Bron has made great like Scottie
This debate will go on after I’m dead and I’m 22 it will never end sports are debatable! Can’t just say one person is good at one sport it’s all about perspective and personal opinions.
The Bulls were loaded, Pippen, Kukoc Rodman, Harper. The rest of the 90s teams were not great teams, the Knicks were Ewing and a bunch of role players Charlie Ward a football player was the PG.
Two three peats with a retirement in between vs super team hopper. 3 all stars buddy up in Miami, left cavs for dead then return when love and kyrie are there. Rich Paul force trades AD to Lakers for a summer camp mickey mouse ring.
Michael Jordan retired from the game for 2 years, then came back and won 3 straight. Jordan got drunk one day playing golf then scored 52 vs the Cavs that same night. LeQueen cries for respect and thinks he's a politician
@@QuavoGotFame 😂😂😂 4 outta 10 in the finals with superteams in 20 seasons while flopping 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 goats don’t flop, and all of the greats have winning records in the finals coz that’s what you play for in case you didn’t know…and by the way tell Lechoke the Joker said easy money 🤑🤑🤑 and then tell the Joker Lechoke wants his broom 🧹 back 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 by the way Leflop is wearing number 23 this season 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Bill Russell had 11 rings… Wilt Chamberlain had 100pts and a bunch of all time records. Kareem Abdul Jabbar have all time career records that’s been recently broken by Lebron… I believe in every era has their GOATs . The game is basketball changed from the defensive style/play, 3pts, rules, etc. Every GOAT played to their advantage.
She made all the key points that end the argument, but how can she confidently say she didn't need to watch Jordan play to know. She sounds like she's on autopilot after growing up with a serious father.
And her daddy got her brain washed if you never seen him play then how can you claim he’s the goat!!! Sounds like she’s been listening to her dad and uncles!!!
a casual female saying she didn't watch jordan play is all you need to know people forget jordan played in an expansion era and has the best team every team without him the bulls were a 55 win team with lebron the cavs was a 18 win do a lot of haters and logical fans not put context into competition and eras to say the 90s era is more skilled is like saying you don't or never watched basketball back then compared to lebron era the athletes are way better and way way more skilled not to mention guards in jordan era was 6-1 let that sink in context matters people
Love the young lady’s comments. She spoke straight facts. When it comes to basketball MJ is on a different level. When you think of others who chanted the game AI (small guard) whose was fearless and his swag is seen in the league today. Shaq - just huge, in the modern game he was unguardable, then there Steph - his shooting accuracy and distance has forever changed how the game is played. Bron is great but he has not changed the game bc Magic was doing what he does before him. I am a Kobe fan, but Kobe was MJ 2.0. Kobe’s insane work ethic and pursuit to perfection on his skills will never be matched but it didn’t change the game.
so did you have to be alive in the 1700s to say George Washington is the greatest president? Your logic is idiotic, people can study history and make a determination we do it everyday
@@goodguyscomelast2029 that’s the type of comeback one would expect from an uneducated Lebron nut licker. The average Jordan fan is much more knowledgeable than anyone so incapable of understanding the game of basketball to think it’s even comparable between the 2. Lebron is the most overrated player in NBA history One look at your profile tells us all we need to know, little kiddy with his cartoons 😂
@@MeekMillisbendingoverrn Jordan would trash the Mavericks. The Warriors would be interesting considering it’s the greatest perimeter shooters of all time vs the greatest perimeter defense of all time. Against Spurs would be a win in 6.
Keep it about Basketball when it comes to GOAT convos...If the player does not have more than 6 Finals MVPs , there is no comparison. Bill Russell has 11 chips, he was not the best player on those NBA Finals runs, and there were less than 20 teams in the league.
You can't add what ifs to his legacy. If Kyrie aand Kevin Love ain't get hurt and KD ain't join the warriors Bron would've had a 4 peat. If Kobe and Shaq stayed together they would probably have 7 or 8 too
That’s debatable, because who on the Bulls would’ve even slowed down the Dream? Will Purdue? Bill Winington? Bill Cartwright? And I’m a life long Bulls fan, But Hakeem the Dream was a nightmare surrounded by shooters… I’m just saying. 🤷🏽♂️
@@baruchwarrior2389People often forget how well Pip did by himself those years. Hakeem definitely would’ve been a huge problem, but the Bulls would’ve still prevailed.
Wrong. She didn't say that. She said, "I didn't NEED to watch Jordan play to know that he's the GOAT". Like I didn't need to be in Auschwitz to know the Nazis were bad people.
She mentioned irrelevant sneaker deals and then shut down his irrelevant points about "humanitarianism" and "philanthropy"... Why can't we just stick to what happened on the court alone?
Name another player in the modern era that after just two championships.. they were calling him the greatest player … you don’t win back to back and people are calling you the goat unless your body of work in the previous years displayed that .. AKA his body of work in the 80s … plus yes he woke back to back.. but then to capitalize on that sht… he won the 3rd chip …
Why would they make a movie about a player after 3 championships as if he’s the greatest player to ever live … the hype was unreal.. this is all before the second 3 peat bro
The issue is, who was the goat before lebon, before mj. So if cant even see wilt, kareem as the goat then you dont even know when the next person took over hat position so u cant even speak. Kareem all day.
@@chrisnaylor013 nope. Bc he carried that bum team to the finals at 21-22 years old. Jordon couldn’t bring his teams deep into the playoffs outside of those 6 years.
@@dfwherbie8814 You get no credit for carrying your team deep in the playoffs in the GOAT convo. You're using losing stats to claim a GOAT. How does that work?
U know Jordan is the GOAT when people have to bring up Bron building schools and marrying his highschool sweetheart to make a case for him being the GOAT.
1.Consistency:6-0 finals, 2× 3 PEATS, SCORING CHAMP,1ST DEFNSVE TEAM, 1ST TEAM most in the same yrs and in consecutive years...who does that. Good in defense and offense with ..Lebrun doesnt have 3 peat.. only been scoring champ once.. 2. Durability- he played 82 games 9 times and several of those on those championship years
The first guy is basically saying its not even about basketball for him anymore. He just has unconditional love for Lebron so hes GOAT to him. This mindset is something ill never understand.
Imagine your girl would get a invite to watch the game before you would just because of this. It shows you whos follows the game as apposed to who just watched a game
Get her TF outta here lol. You don’t have to watch him play? This sums up most of MJs fanboys, people who were too young to watch him play and only seen RUclips clips lol
Why is Lebron wearing 23? because MJ is the GOAT, on the court, off it, sneaker deals, movies, documentaries anything MJ did became the blueprint to copy.
We all love MJ for his shoes. We don’t care for his selfish plays. He’s equivalent to Wilt, except wilt only won 6 rings. Remember it’s a team game, it’s not about one player so don’t get it twisted.
@@GoudaTheCavalier wilt won 6 rings? 😂 kid. just sleep.
Bro thinks mj is the goat basketball player cause he has nice shoes lol
So because someone looks up to someone the ycant be better? Wtf?
@@GoudaTheCavalier come on kid don’t get emotional over meaningless things lol
Off the court lmao 😅😅😅😅
Mane stop it lol
@yaboy1414 Seriously bro off court gtfoh.😆😆😆
Facts!
Boy moved the goal posts to a different country
"off the court" WTF MJ is still dominating off the court... there's a really good reason why Jordan brand eclipses all other NBA players brands... like yo, that's off the court.
@just…
That really good reason was what Mike did on the court. His accomplishments on the court made everything off the court as successful & impactful or whatever as it has been all these years.
It’s the same thing with Mike’s 6-0…he’s not the Goat because he has a 6-0 record in the Finals, that ninja went 6-0 in the Finals because he’s the best and most complete player ever, the Goat.
The “off the court” argument is ridiculous
MJ fans Love the game of basketball
LBJ fans, “it’s just basketball at the end of the day”
😂😂😂 Lebron love the kids that’s why he’s the goat
Off the court. That dude a weirdo.
Tbf to him he still said MJ is the best at basketball
Who?
Okay so you saying that jordan sneaker deals and the fact that jordan made the nba more popular is thrown out the window okay okay
@@FireAttack0811 That has nothing to do with why he's the goat. Okay okay.
@@specterone2474 Then why people keep bringing it up in goat conversations
Did she just say offensive player of the year?????
They stay making up awards for a dude they never even watched 😂😂 the only game she’s been alive to see Mj play is craps at the Bellagio
@@davids.7845well he won MVP(which is what I think she was talking about) DPOY, as well as All defense and NBA first team as well as lead the league in scoring and steals in one season. I have never seen another person ever do that
@@davids.7845🤣🤣🤣bro i was like what???!!!
MVP !!! My guy you know what she meant.
@@KERNZSPORTSPRODUCTIONS😂 they trying to be all technical for no reason knowing they knew what she meant.....
How did she throw the shoe deal in and then rule out all the off the court stuff?!
Women…………. It’s a whole new ball game. You can’t sit here and tell me the game doesn’t evolve and it’s stayed the same. The reason why there is an argument is because it isn’t clear who is GOAT
😂
the shoe deal is related to basketball......
@remnant8898 exactly.. they're just trying to find something wrong with the woman's opinion or they just are in love with Bron
because sneakers and shoe deals are part of basketball, it is on the court.
When she said she didnt have to watch Jordan play, she lost all credibility in this convo
And doubled down by bringing up sneaker sales lmao
💯
Shes right though.. if you never watched a game in your life and someone gives you lebron and michael jordon resume and ask you which one is the g.o.a.t , who do you think people are gonna pick
@@chasenickles260you can actually watch the game to make an argument for Bron. That’s why we watch the game based every component such as playmaking, ballhandling, defense, shooting, accolades and more. Even though MJ is the goat, doesn’t you can’t watch 🏀 and not make a point
i didnt watch jordan play...i know he the goat
She acts like she's so well educated but doesn't know the offensive player of they year award doesn't exist..
She means scoring title. And yes jordan won the scoring title and DPOTY in the same season. He’s won multiple scoring titles, mvps, 1st team all defense in the same season. This debate isn’t really close.
MJ has 10 scoring titles while LeBron has one. Its not even close.
@@StarryNight4024Lebron didn’t make scoring his number one priority like Jordan did…different styles of play…Lebron dished out 8AST a game to help his teammates
U don’t know what these females know don’t understand cause of gender
@Turkeycock28
Well, prior to MJ's Wizard seasons lowering some of his career avgs (assists being one of 'em), when he retired in '98 his apg avg stood at 7 a game.
Which means that he was handing out 7apg to "help his teammates", while playing OFF the ball.
LBJ on the other hand, avgs 7apg as the facilitator.
Let that sink in for a min....
Not her off court argument is his shoes 😂
His shoes are a by-product of him on the court.
@@rackball5858 does that make his off court better than Bron's?
@@camgrizzly Nope. If the only way to pimp up Lebron is to discuss “off court” greatness, then the debate is dead. Both are extreme capitalists. Anyone who thinks that the I Promise school is coming totally out of Lebron’s pockets, I’ve got a house on the lake to sell to you. Lebron’s family man image hasn’t been dented yet because he hasn’t been busted.
@@rackball5858🎯🎯🎯
shoes or shoe sales is not off the court. i mean you can't play basketball without a pair and it's part of the game and culture 😄. being a philantrophy doesn't involve anything with basketball so that's off the court.
You don’t wanna talk about his impact on the world but you talk about Jordan’s shoe deals make it make sense
Nobody cares about his global impact off the court when we're discussing who's the goat if that's bron fans fallback then I'm sorry😂
More people know jordan than lebron
@@Fluiadsays who?
@@aceofspades4312 Who tf is wearing Lebron's?
@@Fluiad who tf said anything about their sneakers?… I’m talking about as a person
I ain’t never went to
The gym and picked up players based on what they do off the court lmaoo.
Be in the gym talking about is you a good dad ? Do you help out in the community. Ok bet I got u. 😂😂😂
Lmfao 😂
Dude changed the conversation into a human character debate 🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣
Moving the goalpost to off the court is wild😂
Wilt and alcindor were dominating and changed the game
I get that alcindor is his birth name but why not just call him Kareem
@@kanyesburner1189 His mother called him alcindor, and would you call your father, "mother" just because he asked??
@@kingsweattv2465 that’s completely different because Kareem legally changed his name
@@kanyesburner1189yeah its weird its like calling Ali cashus clay.
Michael Jordan is a philanthropist he just doesn’t compete like Lebron in philanthropy to be a better human. Jordan has done a lot more than people credit him ALOT MORE
She debunks Lebron for his involvement in the community but wants to bring up Jordan’s shoe deals and the relationship between shoes and other Athletes. FOH.
Humanitarianism has nothing to do with basketball but sneaker sales do
Because sneakers and shoe deals are part of basketball. can't play without shoes "on the court". being a philantrophy doesn't .
Let's not forget that MJ is still getting paid for his signature of the shoe. Who else had a deal like that before him?
That's always been a hard one for me, as I've gotten older I realize some people just aren't built for community activism and that's all right...
But MJ, he just don't give a foook bout nobody tho!!! LoL
I love LeBron and hate Jordan, but MJ is still the GOAT.
Lebron's school is funded by taxes. Nothing of it came from his pockets.
Humanitarian my ass
We’re not talking about philanthropy but she said Jordan changed the game cause of his shoe deal lol 😂😂
The deal opened the door for _all_ athletes, changing the _sport_ itself. That’s not philanthropy.
@@FuhqEweHow much money athletes make off shoe deals has fuck all to do with who was a better basketball player.
@@ImBarryScottCSS I’m not sure if you have a cognitive impairment or you’ve just commented on the wrong thing.
@@ImBarryScottCSSif lebron didnt have all his sneaker endorsements he wouldnt have gone to miami and taken a paycut... if michael jordan didnt do his 1 year 30 mil deal lebron wouldnt have thought to do the same in cleveland... jordan upped the value of an all time great player allowing them to dictate more of what happens on their team. Something lebron directly benefitted from
That changed the marketing of basketball not the actual game itself.
Try again son@@FuhqEwe
SHE NOT BAREFOOT, NOT PREGNANT, NOT IN THE KITCHEN. .
but she COOKED that fool😮
Ashley attitude towards Lebron talks = Joy Tay attitude towards Cowboys
Lmao nickname her Ms. Petty 2.0
Who is she?
This woman is absolutely correct Michael Jordan is the GOAT
1-9 without pippen
Most overrated player in the history of sports
@@BungycbHis only Allstar teammate while LeBron had the MOST ever of any player so COPE
@@MeekMillisbendingoverrndo you even KNOW the other player in this video
@@MeekMillisbendingoverrnwho Lebron?
It's really going to always be debatable on who's the goat of any sport.
Everything is debatable but what’s not debatable is that the vast majority of people say Jordan is the GOAT
NFL isn't debatable...it's clearly Tom Brady
Most sports actually have a definitive GOAT lol idk what you talking bout
Tell em ashley.....and lol at the dude who was trying to play both sides with that off the court on the court nonsense 😂
Off the court mj is yrash😢
Mike was getting his head beat in the 80s lmfaoooooo, but yeah let's only talk bout 90s mike
Every single student in LeBrons iPromise Academy’s 8th grade class failed the Ohio State math test last year so why do people keep showing the school like it’s something to be proud about? 💯
He changed the game globally too. Ppl dont talk about that
LBJ-
4x Rings❌, 4x FMVP❌, 4x MVP❌, 0x DPOY❌, 1x Scoring Champ❌,1x AST Champ✔, 0x STL Champ❌, 6x All-Defensive 1st Team❌, 19x All-Star✔, 3x All-Star MVP, 0x NBA Slam Dunk Contest❌, ROTY, 18x Total Awards & Trophies❌
27.2 PPG❌, 7.5 RPG✔, 7.3 APG✔, 1.5 SPG❌, 0.8 BPG, 3.5 TPG❌, 1.8 PF✔
50.5 FG%✔ 34.5 3PT%✔ 73.5 FT%❌
27.2 PER❌ .226 WS/48❌
(20 Season's)
Longevity✔
82 Games Played: 1x❌
28.5 PPG, 9.0 RBG✔, 7.2 APG✔, 1.7 SPG❌, 1.0 BPG✔, 3.6 TPG❌, 2.3 PF✔
49.5 FG%✔ 33.1 3PT%❌ 74.1 FT%❌
27.9 PER❌ .238 WS/48❌
MJ-
6x Rings✔, 6x FMVP✔, 5x MVP✔, 1x DPOY✔, 10x Scoring Champ✔, 0x AST Champ❌, 3x STL Champ✔, 9x All-Defensive 1st Team✔, 14x All-Star❌, 3x All-Star MVP, 2x NBA Slam Dunk Contest✔, ROTY, 37x Total Awards & Trophies✔
Regular Season-
30.1 PPG✔, 6.2 RPG❌, 5.3 APG❌, 2.3 SPG✔, 0.8 BPG, 2.7 TPG✔, 2.6 PF❌
49.7 FG%❌ 33.2 3PT%❌ 83.5 FT%✔
27.9 PER✔ .250 WS/48✔
(15 Seasons)
Longevity❌
82 Games Played 9x✔
Playoffs-
33.4 PPG✔, 6.4 RBG❌, 5.7 APG❌, 2.1 SPG✔, 0.9 BPG, 3.1 TPG✔, 3.0 PF❌
48.7 FG%❌ 33.2 3PT%✔ 82.8 FT%✔
28.6 PER✔ .255 WS/48✔
MJ: 23✔ MJ :12❌
LBJ: 13✔ LBJ: 22❌
Its clear as day who better and more complete. And more importantly a better winner.
The only answer is the true 23.
Jordan.
Kareem, Bill Russell and Wilt are better than MJ by ur logic
@tableswastaken and all together still better than lebron
@@anthonystevenson830lol
Certified hater 😂
Have her whip out the stats before Pippen arrived… just saying 🤷🏼♂️
Crazy y'all say that but Bron was doing nada until he started forming super teams .. y'all talk Scottie but show me a player Bron has made great like Scottie
They were crazy! Probably the best basketball stats in a stretch EVER! He just didn’t have any support.
@@nolyfeedawggameplay his personal stats were great, but check his playoff stats!! TERRIBLE
Jordan Was Incredible before Pippen Arrived
Did u watch Jordan In The Beginning? Dude was Incredible.
This debate will go on after I’m dead and I’m 22 it will never end sports are debatable! Can’t just say one person is good at one sport it’s all about perspective and personal opinions.
Nope, your favorite player does not make them the goat. Stats rule.
@@Epicentr not necessarily
The Bulls were loaded, Pippen, Kukoc Rodman, Harper. The rest of the 90s teams were not great teams, the Knicks were Ewing and a bunch of role players Charlie Ward a football player was the PG.
She was keeping it basketball 💯, as he was losing the argument he brought off the field issue into the goat conversation. 🤦♂️
Dude actually took the feminine position talking about “but he’s such a good person”.
She brought up shoe deals foh
I like her, she knows her stuff
She really dont lmao
@@sportstalkonly1442she literally said she didn’t even watch him play tf did she just look at his stats? 😂
Superteam
She made up an award and listed very surface level facts that the casual nba viewer is familiar with.
Two three peats with a retirement in between vs super team hopper. 3 all stars buddy up in Miami, left cavs for dead then return when love and kyrie are there. Rich Paul force trades AD to Lakers for a summer camp mickey mouse ring.
Michael Jordan retired from the game for 2 years, then came back and won 3 straight. Jordan got drunk one day playing golf then scored 52 vs the Cavs that same night. LeQueen cries for respect and thinks he's a politician
She didnt even watch him play!!!! Thats how half these people sound. Insane!
She bodied dude...he's worm food💯
for reals...lol
Dude uses the worse defense ever lmao.... It's so much more he could have said lmao.... But he chose that
😂😂😂😂
Jordan is the Goat no matter what universe you from
Nah There Is No Goat
@@hyperflame7255 🐐
Lebrons better than him in all of them
@@QuavoGotFame 😂😂😂 4 outta 10 in the finals with superteams in 20 seasons while flopping 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 goats don’t flop, and all of the greats have winning records in the finals coz that’s what you play for in case you didn’t know…and by the way tell Lechoke the Joker said easy money 🤑🤑🤑 and then tell the Joker Lechoke wants his broom 🧹 back 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 by the way Leflop is wearing number 23 this season 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@frankiefernandez9225Jordan played 15 seasons, why you just ignoring the other 9? 😅
Lebron i promise students cannot do math!!
Offensive player of the year is an award? 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
Awesome !! She schooled you boys . She ain’t lying Michael Jordan the goat.
Jordan da G.O.A.T. period
The goat of beating weak watered down competition?
@@sportstalkonly1442they only look weak because them bulls stomping everyone
Weak era goat 😂😂
@@zavdab5238 it's easy to stomp everyone when u have the best team.
@@sportstalkonly1442nah jordan just made them look ez LMAO
Bill Russell had 11 rings… Wilt Chamberlain had 100pts and a bunch of all time records. Kareem Abdul Jabbar have all time career records that’s been recently broken by Lebron…
I believe in every era has their GOATs . The game is basketball changed from the defensive style/play, 3pts, rules, etc.
Every GOAT played to their advantage.
She made all the key points that end the argument, but how can she confidently say she didn't need to watch Jordan play to know. She sounds like she's on autopilot after growing up with a serious father.
Sister, whoever she is, said all that needs to be said.. Straight SMACK DOWN.... Not to mention that she fine as hell too, Good Lawd!
Virgin
She goofy
Glazin ass Jordan stans
She like a 4
And her daddy got her brain washed if you never seen him play then how can you claim he’s the goat!!! Sounds like she’s been listening to her dad and uncles!!!
Basically every Jordan game is available online. In color too. It’s not like he played in the 40’s or 50’s.
Right! I just said that
At least she had a daddy. Unlike that fatherless 8 point scoring in the finals bum
@@rackball5858yeah and we’ve seen better
Michael Jordan’s the final boss of basketball.
a casual female saying she didn't watch jordan play is all you need to know people forget jordan played in an expansion era and has the best team every team without him the bulls were a 55 win team with lebron the cavs was a 18 win do a lot of haters and logical fans not put context into competition and eras to say the 90s era is more skilled is like saying you don't or never watched basketball back then compared to lebron era the athletes are way better and way way more skilled not to mention guards in jordan era was 6-1 let that sink in context matters people
In his Prime MJ would break LeBron down mentally before and during the game
Y’all swear the nba is some anime😭
This mentality shit y’all always talking about is so fucking Wack🤣 y’all act like Jordan went 15/15 his entire career
Love the young lady’s comments. She spoke straight facts. When it comes to basketball MJ is on a different level. When you think of others who chanted the game AI (small guard) whose was fearless and his swag is seen in the league today. Shaq - just huge, in the modern game he was unguardable, then there Steph - his shooting accuracy and distance has forever changed how the game is played.
Bron is great but he has not changed the game bc Magic was doing what he does before him. I am a Kobe fan, but Kobe was MJ 2.0. Kobe’s insane work ethic and pursuit to perfection on his skills will never be matched but it didn’t change the game.
The only way mj changed the game was when the bulls went crying to the league about the pistons. That started all the soft rules of today
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Damn that lady killed it . MJ is what Pele is to football and Ali is to boxing . Bye
USA: mj vs LeBron
WORLD: messi vs ronaldo
I like her! Right to the point, hands down!
MJ the GOAT 🐐
Some women shouldn’t talk sports if they ain’t joy Taylor🤣🤣🤣
She is like most mj fans. And rapper fans. Just a fan because everyone else said so
The media loves mj so much they even got people who ain’t even watch play saying he’s the goat😂
The media loves Lebron so much they try to move the goal post to make him the GOAT.. They think of other stats so they can have a case for Lebron..
so did you have to be alive in the 1700s to say George Washington is the greatest president? Your logic is idiotic, people can study history and make a determination we do it everyday
Lol how is this even a debate? Jordan is Rolls Royce, Lebron is Toyota. Take your f*ckin pick.
Off the court has nothing to do with who is a better basketball player overall
Unlike most women, she suddenly became hotter when she started talking
Facts
-average Jordan fan💀
@@goodguyscomelast2029 that’s the type of comeback one would expect from an uneducated Lebron nut licker.
The average Jordan fan is much more knowledgeable than anyone so incapable of understanding the game of basketball to think it’s even comparable between the 2.
Lebron is the most overrated player in NBA history
One look at your profile tells us all we need to know, little kiddy with his cartoons 😂
@@goodguyscomelast2029All the facts point to Jordan.. All Lebron fans do is ale hypotheticals and longevity
@@MINK2393 if we’re gonna just look at number of rings and ignore all context like a robot then bill russel is the goat
Lebron is the GOAT and I grew up on Jordan seen him 3 peat twice and all that stuff she listed off
How can the 🐐 have a losing finals record? We’re talking below .500
@@ralegade7710use context…Jordan doesn’t beat one team that Bron lost too…you can’t just go off stats lol
@@MeekMillisbendingoverrn Jordan would trash the Mavericks. The Warriors would be interesting considering it’s the greatest perimeter shooters of all time vs the greatest perimeter defense of all time. Against Spurs would be a win in 6.
@@ralegade7710is goat a person or a team? Like everyone says context matters.
@@ralegade7710how can the goat have a losing record without Scottie Pippen? How can the goat have 0 winning seasons without Scottie Pippen?
I agree Jordan is better, but I vehemently disagree when Ashley said we don’t even need to watch the game to determine who’s the 🐐
i didnt watch Jordan play...i now hes the GOAT tho
@@thottydagod457then you don’t know basketball
She meant she didn’t need to be around to watch that era in real time. In the next sentence she literally says she knows the history.
He literally just called MJ the GOAT. “On the court Jordan is the GOAT” GGs Jordan wins
Keep it about Basketball when it comes to GOAT convos...If the player does not have more than 6 Finals MVPs , there is no comparison. Bill Russell has 11 chips, he was not the best player on those NBA Finals runs, and there were less than 20 teams in the league.
Jordan got 2 3-Peats. If he didn’t retire early to play baseball, Bulls would’ve won 8-in-a-row!
You can't add what ifs to his legacy. If Kyrie aand Kevin Love ain't get hurt and KD ain't join the warriors Bron would've had a 4 peat. If Kobe and Shaq stayed together they would probably have 7 or 8 too
No
Lmao you act like mj didn't fail to get the bulls to the finals in between those 3 peats.
That’s debatable, because who on the Bulls would’ve even slowed down the Dream?
Will Purdue? Bill Winington? Bill Cartwright?
And I’m a life long Bulls fan, But Hakeem the Dream was a nightmare surrounded by shooters… I’m just saying. 🤷🏽♂️
@@baruchwarrior2389People often forget how well Pip did by himself those years. Hakeem definitely would’ve been a huge problem, but the Bulls would’ve still prevailed.
Ashley is our 🐐
MJ is on his own level. To try to put Lebron on the same pedestal is embarrassing.
“I don’t need to watch a player play to know he’s the goat” … says alot lol
She spoke facts
She didn’t bring up none of the stuff for lebron but glaze mj on and off the court. She didn’t even watch him play
Wrong. She didn't say that. She said, "I didn't NEED to watch Jordan play to know that he's the GOAT". Like I didn't need to be in Auschwitz to know the Nazis were bad people.
She mentioned irrelevant sneaker deals and then shut down his irrelevant points about "humanitarianism" and "philanthropy"... Why can't we just stick to what happened on the court alone?
Off the court? They burned his jerseys in his hometown Cleveland and Hong Kong. Hence, LeChina. 🤣
Jordan fans love to forget about the 80’s
No one has dummy…
Name another player in the modern era that after just two championships.. they were calling him the greatest player … you don’t win back to back and people are calling you the goat unless your body of work in the previous years displayed that .. AKA his body of work in the 80s … plus yes he woke back to back.. but then to capitalize on that sht… he won the 3rd chip …
Why would they make a movie about a player after 3 championships as if he’s the greatest player to ever live … the hype was unreal.. this is all before the second 3 peat bro
His numbers and accolades back up the argument easily
@@mss3183na is cuz the talent in the league was trash then
Her logic is flawed
So is lebron hairline
@@LooseBooty-tv7nyYou’re going to hell! 😂😂😂😂
@@LooseBooty-tv7nyJordan was ballsack bald his entire career
The issue is, who was the goat before lebon, before mj. So if cant even see wilt, kareem as the goat then you dont even know when the next person took over hat position so u cant even speak. Kareem all day.
Michael jordan did average 3 more points than lebron, but he also took 3 more shots per game.
He also didn’t shoot as many 3’s so take that into consideration…
Jordan was a loser for basically 8 seasons. One 6 rings. Then went back to being a loser on the wizards. So yeah, context matters
😲........😆
By that logic Lebron was a loser for 17 years cuz he only got 4 rings 😮💨
@@chrisnaylor013 nope. Bc he carried that bum team to the finals at 21-22 years old. Jordon couldn’t bring his teams deep into the playoffs outside of those 6 years.
@@chrisnaylor013you act like 4 is 10 behind 6…it’s only 2 behind and Jordan played bum ass teams to win his
@@dfwherbie8814 You get no credit for carrying your team deep in the playoffs in the GOAT convo. You're using losing stats to claim a GOAT. How does that work?
Idc that people think Jordan is the goat but the fact that ya act like lebron is not even worthy to be in that discussion is blasphemy
He should be in the discussion for 2-7. He’s a Kevin Durant type career away from achieving what Jordan achieved in 7 fewer seasons.
As someone who’s favorite player is Kobe, and even finds a hard time putting him in the top 5, Lebron is no where close.
@@ralegade7710🤣keep hating old man
Damn, the girl making more sense than the guys ‼️😂
Lost all credibility when you say you didn’t have to watch 😂
Maybe it’s because I’m from L.A but Kobe is my GOAT 🐐
The real g.o.a.t of NBA is Bill Russell
Always that one guy lol
Bill Russell just gets forgotten about…..
U know Jordan is the GOAT when people have to bring up Bron building schools and marrying his highschool sweetheart to make a case for him being the GOAT.
Off the court just stop. I can remember "i want to be like Mike ". Gatorade commercials. This dude was known world wide without Social Media.
Young kids, I know the history of the game. There was a man called Bil Russell with 11 rings. Take that for a history lesson. But is he the goat ??
"We're not talking about philanthropy" and "humanitarianism," yet one of the arguments cited for Jordan was "the sneaker deals." Ummm
Thank you baby❤ you said it right
Jordan also donates a ton or money the only difference is that he said, that he doesn't have to advertise that, big difference.
I wasn’t born in the 60s but I know Russell and Chamberlain were the GOATs of that era…
that woman knows her stuff
Listen to the girl 😊
If you only loom at rings your argument is pointless
The Seth curry lookin dude and the shawty have no idea that sports over the years the competition has only gotten better and better
1.Consistency:6-0 finals, 2× 3 PEATS, SCORING CHAMP,1ST DEFNSVE TEAM, 1ST TEAM most in the same yrs and in consecutive years...who does that. Good in defense and offense with ..Lebrun doesnt have 3 peat.. only been scoring champ once..
2. Durability- he played 82 games 9 times and several of those on those championship years
The first guy is basically saying its not even about basketball for him anymore. He just has unconditional love for Lebron so hes GOAT to him. This mindset is something ill never understand.
"off the court" you lost me there
Literally Jordan said that he's a product of his time
They always have to add in other parts then play on the court. The GOAT argument is based on playing, not bullshit off the court.
Off the court was next level bullshit...... come on man.
Lebron has never been in the conversation
Imagine your girl would get a invite to watch the game before you would just because of this. It shows you whos follows the game as apposed to who just watched a game
Get her TF outta here lol. You don’t have to watch him play? This sums up most of MJs fanboys, people who were too young to watch him play and only seen RUclips clips lol
MJ only needs 32k+ pts to get 6 rings, while LBJ needs 40k+ pts for 4 rings.
Jordan put NBA on the global map. Jordan made NBA a global brand. No one outside Us would give a flying fuck about Lebron if it wasn’t for Jordan.
Bro Jordan had the best team every year he won rings are team accomplishments
When did we see a team recruit a top 3 player to beat Jordan.