The GOAT Debate: Michael Jordan vs LeBron James
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The debate of who the greatest NBA player of all time will be discussed to the end of time, I give you my take on Michael Jordan vs LeBron James in this video and try to present the FACTS through various chapters and arguments.
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There’s only one GOAT. There’s no competition. Jesus Christ is the only GOAT.
JESUS THE GOOD SHEPERD 👍
But of course Jesus Christ is The Greatest of All Time. But this is in reference to Professional Basketball which of course is Michael Jordan!!!
Bird called him that as a joke and you SMOOTH BRAINED individuals swear by it. If Jordan were Christ who was Bird? Do you get it? Christ was whipped! Bird whipped Jordan whom he swept twice. Think about it with your slow brain thinking.
Mj when it mattered the most
Ncaa championship -1-0
Olympic gold medals - 2-0
Fiba gold medals - 2-0
NBA Finals 6-0
Total 11-0
MJ all day🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
All those are team accomplishments…
@@rocwilliams6347 With one common denominator
@@rocwilliams6347And it appears that LeBron needs an All Star team in order to have a chance & Dallas really exposed his a$$. Pathetic.
Mj is 1-9 in the playoffs without any help ….. lol lebron was making it to the finals with bums…
Mj at least made the playoff Lebron didnt so you point doesnt make sense
We all know Lebron is the G(oing) O(n) A(nother) T(eam).
Michael Jordan played 15 seasons with 2 half seasons
I guess he didn't do his homework. 🎯
The only reason Bron has a better field goal percentage because 55% of his shots are close to the basket for most of his career.
Mj is the goat
I'm with you but I i think we are the minority
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1x no, we're the silent majority. And the media has heavily brainwashed them into thinking that way.
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1xno when ever there is a poll mj destroys lbj fan vote and it’s by a lot. Mj got 73 percent to lbj. All the polls by the fans it’s the media.
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1xsince when is you in the minority if you believe Mj is the goat? I never really see many saying Lebron is the goat? Maybe people do but from what i hear and see on every vote with Mj vs Lebron Mj always wins
MJ 90 porcent ofpeople thinks is MJ GOAT@@CourtsideChronicles-y1x
Lebron unstoppable force? lol
Tell that to little Jason Terry.
thats a team effort dont be stupid
For me Michael Jordan is the GOAT, no one like him...
Agree 10 top scoring titles leading the NBA for MJ compared to LeBrons 1 . That,s saying something😮😮!!
Yup jordan for me still tho fo realz and it's exactly of what he was saying about Jordan's impact and stuff tho so yeah don't get me wrong I'd like to give it to lebron james since I watched him play and not jordan since I was actually too young tho still so yeah.
@@RS-ob1vr being the all time leading scorer is better than 10’scoring titles lol
@@rocwilliams6347 its not, its only tells that u played longer....
Nice try casual
@@ATAKA-Bro lebron had more points on less attempts lol try again
The real Goat debate doesn't even include LeBron
Why wouldn’t it include the person who scored the most points in NBA history?
@saamyaintfake because when you half ass on defense and take plays off you're not the best and don't even belong in the discussion
He has eliminated himself
Facts! 💯
@@saamyaintfakeBecause you can’t erase 6 Finals losses with only 4 Finals wins. Especially when you are the leader of superteams (even if you face another superteam.)
Don’t be fooled, 40,000 points is amazing but it’s primarily due to longevity (more games played). In case you didn’t know Michael Jordan reached 30,000 points faster (fewer games) than LeBron and averaged more points per game than LeBron even to this day.
@@saamyaintfake Jordan had over 30k and he played from 1984-2003 19 years but he was not in the league for 5 years so 14 years lebron has like 7 years more of play
🎉For me a 55 year old from Cleveland say I suppose to go with LeBron but I'm old school so no doubt MJ is da goat
This world crazy we grown adults debating someone with 6 rings who never lost. To somebody winning 4 rings and keep losing. Grown ups need to go back to school. 4 will never be greater than 6. So why are we debating this
I jus don’t understand how LBJ drop
In man not too 10 in my eyes
3 GIVEN RINGS AND A FAKE MICKEY MOUSE TROPHY IN 21 YEARS... SHAME
so bill russel is your goat then?
I mean bill Russell have more rings than Jordan, so he should be your GOAT then right?😂
Who told you Micheal Jordan never lost?He played in the NBA for 15 seasons and won 6 times which means he lost and was thoroughly beaten 9 times.Do you have a problem with mathematics?😂😂😂😂😂😂
I ain't never seen Michael air ball a free throw before . . .
There is no debate dude . Jordan was the best period.
Although I appreciate your positive views and arguments for both players, the unfortunate part. When talking about 2 players who are close in terms of accolades and records you then have to look at failures to break any ties. Lebrons Mavs series was an epic failure on a personal performance, MJ never had a series where he collapsed like that.
MJ,, no debate. Longevity also increases all time turnovers, free throws missed and missed shots per game. Those are negative stats. Also playing 22 years and just 4 championships.
To me lebron isn’t top 5 he had 2 statistical titles and that’s it. That matters. Longevity is good and all but he accomplished way less in double the time compared to too many players.
Delete your account 😂😂😂
@@rocwilliams6347 he’s not better than Kareem, not better than Magic, not better wilt, not better than MJ, not better than Hakeem. All these players have more statistical titles. Only one that don’t win as much as him was Hakeem and he won 2 titles with less help than lebrons titles and Hakeem can arguably be called the greatest defender in history. How can you be the goat when you were never really the best at anything. He did less when he spent half his career in one of the worst conferences in NBa history.
@@Getdown8319 why is lebron the only person not allowed to have teammates , all the people you named had legendary teammates except for wilt who played 8 teams lol
@@Getdown8319 lebron is number 1 overall in points and top 5 assist but he’s not the best at anything righttt lol
@@rocwilliams6347 ya he’s not the best at anything he played forever that’s cumulative stats. Robert parish has more points that Larry bird. He’s a better scorer. It’s funny because cumulative stats didn’t matter until lebron came around.
The GOAT 🐐 debate is OVER and LeBRONZE🥉🥉will NEVER be the GOAT. Here’s why.
1. 8 championship losses which includes his 2 on Team USA🥉🥉
2. He has a LOSING Finals record of 4-6 including 2 sweeps 🧹 🧹The greatest of all time can ❌NOT❌ be a guy that has LOST more than he’s WON. I mean what are we doing here. 🤷♂️
3. He’s NEVER won a championship without joining a SUPER TEAM.
4. He’s the all time leader in TURNOVERS. He even has more than John Stockton and John has 4,800 more assists.
5. He’s a career below average free throw shooter. 10 seasons he’s been below 75.0% including 5 seasons in the 60.0% range and he’s never shot 79.0% his whole career. His HIGHEST season percentage is lower than MJ’s🐐LOWEST.
6. He’s not a competitor. This is a guy that LOSES & RUNS. OK I LOST LET ME GO HERE. OK I LOST AGAIN LET ME GO HERE. OK I LOST AGAIN LET ME GO TO THE WEST NOW SO STEPH CAN STOP WINNING RINGS ON ME. 😂
7. Steph and the Warriors built a DYNASTY on his back. Lebron runs so much that he’ll never be part of a dynasty. SMH
8. He’s had more HELP than everybody in NBA history.
9. Let’s talk about toughness in big moments. JORDAN🐐scored 38 with flu like symptoms in game 5 of the 97 Finals. Meanwhile in game 1 of the 2014 Finals Lebron had to be carried off the court because the AC went out. I guess he’s never played ball in the park. 😂
10. He’s 6 misses away from passing Kobe to become the all time leader in MISSED SHOTS.
11. He FLOPS and his defense is not that good. Sometimes he doesn’t play defense at all. Sometimes he doesn’t even get back on defense.
12. I mentioned this is #1 but he’s also failed TWICE on Team USA bringing home 2 BRONZE Medals🥉🥉
13. He’s the only guy in the debate that took the SUPER TEAM route to success. So how can we even compare him to guys that had traditional careers. 🤷♂️
14. He’s praised for his longevity even though he uses, Cryotherapy, Normatech Leg Boots and spends time in a Hyperbaric Chamber. WHAT? Meanwhile he’s being compared to MJ🐐whose only method of treatment was icing his knees. 🤷♂️
15. He’s only played a full season ONCE. MJ🐐did it 9 times including his final season at 40 years old.
16. He’s possibly on PEDS 💉💉
17. He’s been outscored in the Finals 7 times. Dirk, Wade, Bosh, Jason Terry, Tony Parker and KD TWICE. MJ🐐was NEVER outscored in the Finals. I mean enough is enough. Nothing about what I just mentioned says the greatest player of all time. I mean he’s done some great things but what people don’t seem to realize is without SUPER TEAMS his career is nowhere close to where it is today. Check this timeline.
2003-10 Before Super Teams - 1 Finals appearance 🧹
2011-24 After Super Teams - 9 Finals appearances
See what I mean 🤷♂️ And along with all those deep post season runs came rings, records and stats that he wouldn’t have if he would’ve never left the Cavs the first time. I’ll give him 3, maybe 4 trips to the Finals at best.
Also here’s a list of some star players and how many BELOW AVERAGE free throw seasons they had. (under 75.0%)
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MJ🐐 - 0
Kobe - 0
Magic - 0
Bird - 0
Steph - 0
KD - 0
Kawhi - 0
Kyrie - 0
J Tatum - 0
N Jokic - 0
Harden - 0
Dame $ - 0
Lebron - 10
Plus LBJ had 5 seasons in the 60.0% range and he hasn’t shot 79.0% from the line in 21 seasons. There’s ❌NO WAY❌ anyone can tell me he’s the greatest player of all time when can barely go the line by himself and hit two shots. FACTS💯 Long story short, Lebron due to way too many negatives on his resume is disqualified from GOAT contention. 💯
THAANKK YOUUU FINALLY SOMEONE WITH FACTS!! I DONT EVEN KNOOWW WHY HE IS COMPARED TO JORDAN😂ITS A JOKE LIKE WTF! JORDAN?? BRO IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BE BETTER THAN KOBE LOL😂
LeFraud's field goal % is higher due to more shots closer to the rim.
Exactly! I love how his super fans love leaving out that the majority of his shots are within 2 feet of the rim. Same reason Kareem held the record before him. These people annoy me.
Then that means Bron is a better efficient scorer!
Why take a difficult 2 pointer when you can get the same 2 points at the rim??
Jordan himself said he didn’t excel at shooting 3’s because he wanted to put pressure on the defense!
So why is it bad that LeBron puts pressure on the defense going down hill?
Kyrie looks better as a scorer compared to Shaq but we know Shaq is more dominant and efficient.
LeBron is a perimeter player going to the cup to score and is a more efficient 3 point shooter.
Advantage James!
@@Ace-fe8gc nice try. No, it means Bron isn’t a shooter, so naturally if you’re limited to lay up’s the likelihood of a higher FG% exists. You guys reason ridiculously.
@@OpinionStated I’m still waiting for your point. You say he’s not a shooter but he shoots better from 3 than Jordan so what does that make Jordan?
LeBron just finished a 41% from 3 shooting more volume of 3’s in a season than Jordan ever shot.
How do you explain your shooting comment and, if guys know LeBron isn’t a shooter and they play him for the drive because he isn’t a ‘shooter’ then how does he keep scoring at the paint?
@@Ace-fe8gc you answered your own question. By volume because of todays style of play in the NBA, Joel Embiid & Jokic shoot more than Jordan did 😂🤣 That doesn’t make them shooters. And how convenient of you to cherry pick Bron’s best statistical year from three. He’s still not a shooter, meaning the mass of his shots come within 2 ft of the basket - pretty simple. Steph Curry; Klay Thompson; Kevin Durant; Devin Booker; Luka Doncic etc are shooters my friend. Yes, Bron can FINALLY shoot better than his early career, but there’s no consistency in terms of balanced shots from different ranges on the court. Impossible to misunderstand or to argue.
Oh, and please tell me you understand that a layup is within two feet of the rim?🙏🏾🤣
lebron is a no-show when it matters. that's also a fact.😊
its also a fact you dont watch the nba 🤗
6 finals losses is unstoppable uh
Not Forgetting the 3 SWEEPS, yea man he's TOTALLY UNSTOPPABLE 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
GOATS don't choke...MJ didn't Lebron has on many occasions...MJ had no weaknesses in his game...Lebron still does after 22 years in the league..still can't shoot Free throws.. and in 22 years 7 more than MJ he still doesnt have the individual accolades MJ does....he can only keep playing padding stats in a league where defense doesn't exist and offense is easier across the board...I have watched both of them from their rookie season throughout their careers and at no time was Lebron better than MJ with only one exception...LONGEVITY...and if that mattered Kareem would have been in the GOAT conversation a long time ago....defense matters and Lebron isn't in MJs category on D...TOs matter and Lebron has always made a lot more of them...Lebron is the second greatest player to ever play the game and that is incredible...but he is not the best to do it....Just imagine if MJ and his talent in todays game were the one chasing stats knowing what he had to do to be the GOAT..he would literally avg 40 plus points a game in this NBA with the defensive rules as they are in a league averaging 15 more points a game than the Jordan years...THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A DEBATE....MJ was so much more dominant and skilled in his era by comparison to Lebron...there was no question really who was the best player in the league for all of MJs bulls years or how underrated he was in his Wizards years...he alone took a 29th rank defense to 14th rank in a half year before getting injured....Defense matters
SPEAK LOUD SPEAK CLEAR & SPEAK LONG SO THEY CAN BOTH HEAR & UNDERSTAND YOU BRO ..... PURE FACTS. LECHOKE has never LEAD the league in STEALS but he LEADS the League in TURNOVERS & LECHOKE is on NO LEVEL CLOSE TO MJ DEFENSIVELY.
Mj never touched the finals without pippen also weak era no real comp he faced. Harden would solo the bulls team.
@@xJTKx Yes you're Correct abt MJ not making it to the Finals without Scottie and hey SO WHT isn't it a TEAM SPORT bcse as far as I kno ALMOST DOESN'T COUNT. Y'all wnt y'alls LOSER KING to be so HIGH tht y'alls actually count Missed Shots lololololol. Imagine going to the line to Shoot 2 Free Throws, shoots and misses both but yet y'alls still count the 2 MISSED SHOTS AS MADE SHOTS lolololol thts how DUMB y'alls are lolololol Yow Making it to the NBA FINALS goes down as a Stat a reminder in history of who the WINNING TEAM BEAT tht Yr or who LOST bcse the other team won, so in other wrds tht team was the LOSING team and NO MATTER how good they played they STILL LOST and will ALWAYS be REMEMBERED AS LOSERS tht Yr and wht ever Yr they LOST after lolololol so hey keep y'alls argument abt MJ not making without Scottie okay but remember to always take his 6 FINALS LOSSES which contains 2 SWEEPS, the fct tht he played with MULTIPLE SUPERSTARS and cud only come up with 4 wins out of 10 tries, the several times he CHOKED, the amount of times he wlkd off the court leaving his Teammates Hanging while the game was still in Progress bcse he's a COWARD, oh lawd you cnt ever forget tht he told y'alls his Fans to go bck to y'alls miserable poor lives lololol, the fct tht he FLOPS, CARRIES TRAVELS, COMPLAINS CONSTANTLY MAKES EXCUSES, and is ALWAYS QUICK TO BLAME EVERYONE ELSE EXCEPT HIMSELF but hey then again y'alls will always accept these things bcse y'alls no nothing abt bball and y'all are more than likely just like him lololololol.
@@xJTKx sure buddy
Wasn't MJ getting his ass beat from both Larry bird and Isaiah Thomas in the 80s, and he was also an MVP those times
MJ all day...style, popularity, eye test, dunks...it ain't even close...real hoopers know
Lebron's playing style looks like of some robot's.
Whereas MJ's was captivating - resembling a dancer, a magician and all that jazz.
The greatest of all time can't be robotic. The dude was PLAYING as the g.o.a.t.
While LeBron CLAIMS to be the g.o.a.t. And that's what makes the difference. Hell of a difference.
As someone who watched both MJ and LBJ, there is no comparison. This is a manufactured debate to get ratings. As great as LBJ is, he is nowhere near MJs level. Even Cleveland gave MJ the loudest standing ovation at the allstar top 75 celebration.
we dont care LBJ is a GOAT
@Breakingthesilence0522 goat mean Greatest of all Time. That means there can only be one. LBJ is not it. But if you mean LBJ is an all-time great, absolutely. It's been a privilege watching LBJs entire career.
MJ is the goat
After 20 years he should have more hardware
Mike hands-down LeBron was never in goat conversation overrated legacy
There's no debate... Not even close.
One did it. One is manufactured.
I didn't say who but everyone reading this knows who I consider the GOAT.
Isn't that saying something? 😂
We all know...
we all know because of the way you are talking and the bs that is coming out of your mouth, only mj fans are that ignorant 😂
You failed to add Jordan was a better defender with DPOY award and better on steals and blocks but alright guess defense doesn’t matter when it comes to stats
MJ played basketball, meanwhile Leflop’s playing byllyball. It’s mind boggling that the new generation couldn’t see how many times Leflop committed offensive fouls and travels. My 14 years old son can see the different between the two
I’m not sure I agree with a strength for Lebron being adaptability. Everywhere he goes the team has to adapt to his play style not the other way around. And this video never even mentioned anything about defense.
Michael Jordan doesn’t have to compete with LeBron when it’s known it’s a given Michael Jordan is the only GOAT in the professional basketball league. FACT.
Do people even watch lebron play? He has the ball in his hands all game of course his numbers will be juiced mj played off the ball something lebron cant do..
Jordan the GOAT. I have never seen anyone do what he did on court multiple times over & over again. Dude was an alien.
Agreed, I'm still in awe of his performances all these years later...
It’s awesome what he did but what Lebron did & is STILL doing at 22 years in & just all the legends he’s dominated & beat on his resume at or around his position that’s alien like to me it’s so much talent in the league past 2 decades & Lebron isn’t miles ahead of anyone like mj was but if u look at head to head vs his rivals he’s always dominating them as if he has a clear talent advantage
1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Take your pick
Jordan is the goat!!!!
Lebrons ahots concentrated near the rim.. MJ dominated the midrange game
There is no debate longetivity accumulative to consistent competitive tough man era with real basketball wins yes there was politics back then but the intergrity
Mj is my goat. I don't have an issue if others believe lebron... i don't blame him for losing to the Durant warriors. I think those 2 loses in. Miami killed his legacy. And that bubble chip...
Let's stop this goat debate. MJ was the absolute best in his era. James on the other hand wasn't the best throughout his era. Curry, Durant,Westbrook,Melo,and a few others had seasons where they were the best. Period.
LeBron James Biggest Mistake Was Wearing Michael Jordan #23 Jersey When he Should have Started out Wearing his own Identify Jersey Number." So on that he Can't never pass Michael Jordan..Kobe Bryan didn't Wear Michael Jordan #23 Kobe Bryan #24 and #8 Bad Decision LeBron James 🤔."
MJ just takes all shots all say that but LJ 11K asists that means more complete player
When MJ was asked to actually play point guard for a stretch with the bulls his averages were better than Lebron on points assists and rebounds...MJ is still the only player not Magic to average over 11 assists in an NBA finals...he is a complete player was just never asked to be the facilitator...even so he still avg over 5 assists and 6 rebounds per game for his career while having more steals and BLOCKS per game than Lebron
@@derrickhyman6614 11k is the reality not just a story mj was one of the greatest but not the most...lebron is the king
@@solitarium01728 Turnover King you mean.
4-6 NBA Finals is no king. LeBum was 53 seconds away from 2-8, if not for series-saving shots by Kyrie and Ray Allen. LeBum is 0-7 on game winners in NBA Finals. Jordan 6-0, 4-8 on game winners. No bench playing bums like Jason Terry ever outplayed Jordan in any playoff series, unlike LeBum who collapsed in the 2011 Finals. No King kiddo.
@@bwink23 so if the titles means much for you bill russell have 11 titles in 13 seasons
who is the mj? russell is the goat
@@solitarium01728 Jordan is by far the best combination of all criteria. THE BEST
If winning his 3rd gold puts Lebron over MJ, then KD winning his 4th gold cements him over Lebron
Do you think Olympic gold doesn't matter as much?
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1x helllll yeah, im tennis player from monte carlo bro. one olympics medal s a dream for every athlete in this planet
Respect bro!!
Then that puts mj at 3rd?.. sheesh
@@Keepit_100 in olympics ther s only one goat usa mens bball 4/4
Nikola Jokic is new GOAT. Period.
Michael Jordan is the only player in NBA history to win MVP, a scoring title, first team all-defensive player, a championship and a finals MVP all in one season. Jordan did this 4 times.
Michael Jordan is also the only player to win a scoring title and defensive player award in the same season. Jordan did this 6 times.
In 13 years, Jordan won 11 championships: 6 NBA championships, 2 Fiba championships, 2 Olympic championships, and 1 NCAA championship.
Lebron is my goat
i still dont understand how a guy who is 4-6 in the finals bypasses anyone in the top 10. he the only one with a negative finals record on the list and thats the most important series in the playoffs
This is a product of Le media, it’s just not debatable. The mind, will and skills all favor MJ all the way. So please stop!!! Lebron doesn’t even belong in the top ten, Le media are only hyping him up. Lebron doesn’t even be compared with Magic, Bird, Kobe, Jabbbar and all the greats of the game.
In my honest opinion once LeBron does retire I highly doubt he has a farewell tour. If he does then he’s super bold because I can guarantee he’s going to get boo’d in every arena besides maybe Cleveland.. and I know for a fact he’s going to get boo’d in LA there’s no way the Lakers organization retire his jersey.. I can’t wait to sit back to watch when this day comes and he’s out the league for good.
LeBalco James!!! Balco king of the Los Angeles Lebrons!!!
In MJ's 6 finals appearance's Scottie Pippin actually actually led Jordan in steals, rebounds, and assists. Does that mean Pippin was better than MJ? What case can you possibly make that supports that idea? They were just simply two different players with different jobs. Here's another quick example, Larry Bird was a better all around shooter than MJ, better rebounder and passer, does that mean he was better? Jordan was a one on one player and did what he had to do to win, and he was the best at it! MJ's the GOAT, there's no debate!!!
Another lebron simp
When he retires LJ will never be mentioned like MJ get mentioned. Just facts
You got a new sub, even though my goat is LeBron James. One day you’ll be insanely popular
I really appreciate that, thank you for your support 🙏🏽
It’s funny, when you watch the highlight reel, it’s mostly MJ in the finals or playoffs where he dominated making clutch play after play, whereas Lebron’s highlights are just regular season because he didn’t make an impact in the finals, really! That’s saying something!
Can't really make a serious argument for anyone who played most of their career in the East. Kobe went against Duncan, T-Mac and more, and was still the greatest of his era. Wilt Chamberlain owns more records than anyone probably ever will. Kareem was a phenom, and Magic had to battle Bird. Other than MJ, the only East player in the conversation should be Larry Legend.
Iv'e seen the last three eras of modern day basketball (including the Kobe era) , and It's MJ without question. He was like a bolt of lightning that came out of nowhere and attacked his opponents with a nightmarish speed and stealth no one had ever seen before. It was unreal, inspiring and hilarious watching him turn the sport on it's head at the time. Watching him mature and evolve over the years was amazing. LBJ is a great player no doubt, truly spectacular but it's MJ for me as far as the GOAT.
It is a definitive answer MJ is the GOAT period. LeBron is a great player with the others MJ is one of one
How does one define whos the GOAT base on era or rings, because there's a few more players who had more championship with just one team Duncan and Bryan something to add to this debate if you know what i mean 😊
You had me until the 4th chapter. It's older people holding onto the "legend" of Mike. Younger kids are more enamored with Curry than Mike. Without Nike, David Stern changing rules to favor MJ to feature dunking, and the aging of Kareem, Magic, Isaiah and Bird, Mike wouldn't be considered near as good.
MJ is the GOAT. Lebron is the 2nd greatest ever. They're a tier above everyone else who's ever played the game.
Robert Horry of course, he has more rings than MJ and LBJ
Why do we leave out steals?
Some corrections for this vid: MJ played 15 seasons, not 13 (although the last 2 with the Wizards have nothing to do with his GOAT case - we all know his GOAT case is based strictly on his Bulls career, so saying 13 is understandable. Still, 15 is the actual number). Also, it says Lebron has been to 20 straight playoffs. This isn't true. He's missed the playoffs a few times. He's been to 18 playoffs total, and not all in a row.
The goat debate in the NBA is a pointless debate. It seems like people forget that basketball is a team sports. So many factors involve that each side has a point to raise. MJ will never be a champion if in each game in the finals you'll remove all the points and rebounds contributed by Pippen and Rodman, And so does Lebron he will never win his 1st championship if not for Kyrie.
he didn't even do all MJ Accolades, plus he didn't mention all lebron turnovers, missed shots...so many missed arguments that closes him out of the debate 😂😂😂
lebron james GOAT
It’s not about stats or legacy.. it’s as simple as who would you pick first building a team..
He tried to say Jordan played 13 season 😂 No he played 15 seasons! Bum just quit and tried to come back in one of em cause he mentally soft and the other he sprayed his ankle and sat out a few games.
THE IS NO DEBATE...IF THERE WAS...IT WOULD BE BETWEEN MJ AND KOBE.NOT BETWEEN MJ AND LEBRON...
Hmm they talk about rebounding. Lebron just passed Jordan this year in offensive rebounds😂
james gooooat
MJ is the goat he didn't jump from team to team to win and developed a killer instinct everytime a player got compared to him and well Leflop he's just shit
Your analysis was pretty incomplete .you tried to be fair to both parties ny creating advantages fir both instead of giving defnitve answers you built up Lebron's strengths by making it look like mj didn't have the same strengths....you chose mj as the goat but for all the wrong reasons..you failed to mention losing 8 championship moments in his nba and Olympic career while mj never lost any championship once it was his for the taking....lebron has lost more final games than anyone I'm nba history...has the most turnovers in nba history.....you. created a scenario that Lebron was the more complete player based off of rebounds and assists...failing to mention most all of the other categories including scoring that mj was more efficient in as evidenced by every metric record and analytics in mj's favor and most of them mj is better than everyone...mj is the most efficient player across the board on offense and defense and it's not even close..failed to mention is also a top 5 all around defender of alltime and by far the best two way player ever on both sides of the floor and on top of being the best scorer ever...everyone knows the only reason lebron has scored the most points is that mj spotted him 6 seasons and counting....mj is more rich..more clutch...more soectacular...more hangtime...more famous and btw you didn't mention mj's incredible athleticism for his size....the only reason lebron is considered a spectacular athlete is because he is 2 to 3 inches taller than mj and outweighs him by 50 lbs....mj was just as athletic or more pound for pound....mj is considered godly.by the majority of the entire world...he sells the most sneakers because of this inhumane aura that no athlete or person ever has in history of mankind....the pedestal he is on is so much greater than Lebron ever will have....this debate is a joke conjured up by newbies who don't know any better....the only debate Lebron should be is for second place....leave mj out of this
..he put it too out of reach...only person that has a chance to be at his level is Vjctor Wembanyama because of his freak height a d athleticism that will control both sides of the floor.....Wemby most probably will never be 6-0 with 6 finals mvps and 10 scoring titles as no one will ever come close to doing that....but he can view for mj's status as best two way player ever if he continues to dominate om both ends equally like mj did
What are we doing here? Its Mike and its not even a comparison!
Lebalco is the greatest when it comes to steroid management. He will be surpassing Lance Armstrong's greatness soon enough and after his retirement when the truth eventually comes out he will get his due flowers.
Meanwhile in the basketball world, Jordan has proven to be the overall greatest basketball player of any era period with lot's of close 2nd place players for sure. Lebalco disqualifies himself from 2nd place discussion for obvious reasons.
Mj is the true goat 6 rings in the era of the 90s alone. True Goat
There are three reasons I think Lebron is the GOAT:
1. Lebron is the more well rounded player (not just scoring) as he has more block and assists (he’s literally the only non-pg in top 10 assists all time). Even when it comes to scoring he is not far behind MJ. Besides he has done it far more consistently and at higher efficiency for 22 years!
2. Lebron dominated in an extremely challenging era as he had battles with the super team warriors. He even won one of those battles which is much more impressive that Jordan beating a washed Lakers squad and a bunch of other teams that made it to the finals in a weak conference. I’m not saying like the kids say that they were “plumbers” but I am saying Lebron competition really was far better. This means that his finals appearances themselves (despite winning fewer of them than MJ) and the fact that he did win 4 teams despite his competition gives Lebron the edge over MJ.
3. And my last point is that I just can’t give MJ the crown as the GOAT on principle because bro literally retired two times in his prime (one time literally to play another sport). This is something people don’t acknowledge but to me, it hurts his legacy because he left the sport for another one. If he had stayed with the Bulls and won like 8 championships, maybe id have him as the GOAT. But Lebron dedicated his entire career to this sport and has dominated throughout his career consistently from rookie to fossil (40 years old).
Additional note: for those who point to MJ’s cultural impact, all I have to say is that was a product of his timing. The NBA had just been resurrected to popularity again by Magic and Bird, so the world was primed for a new guy to come in and dominate like no other. If Lebron had played back then and MJ had played now, this wouldn’t even be a debate as Lebron would be the consensus GOAT. And the shoes and his brand are a product of MJ being a great businessman which has nothing to do with basketball.
If you somehow made it through that whole thing 😅, just know, I will only respond to respectable and logical replies.
FR LeBron played in the toughest era, and don't forget he carried the cavs to the finals in 07
Michael Jordan is the only GOAT there will ever be in professional basketball. End Of Conversation
Its Pretty Good But its better when you added the advance stats
Thank you for the feedback, I'll make sure to keep that in mind for future videos!
Pretty Thorough discussion.
Ultimately when it Boils down to it, Jordan's career wholistically is greater than Lebron's. He achieved much more in Less time/with Less help.
Jordan = 🐐🏀
There's no debate lebron is not even the best small forward ever that's larry legend 👏 and mike is the goat 🐐 💯 😤 🙌
All that you said is false narrative LeBron is not that good
Lebron is about to be the all time leader in missed field goals, missed FTs to go along with his already obtained title of most Turnovers.
Slap on most super teams formed, most coaches fired, most faked injuries, most teammates thrown under the bus, most traded teammates. Michael doesnt have major blemishes like Lebron. Where is the comparable collapse of the 2011 finals where he was the 3rd leading scorer on his team and was outplayed by Jason Terry? Hes been swept in the finals twice. If he was the goat he should have been able to steal one game no? Even Iverson snagged one game vs arguably the greatest team ever when he dropped 48 vs the 2001 Lakers.
Lebron legitimately could have been in the convo but hes done things like use his agency to tamper with players under contract to have them traded to his teams to improve his chances at titles ( ex Anthony Davis). Hes got media talking heads under contact to espouse his propaganda and slander the greats of the past to uplift himself (Shannon Sharpe, Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, Draymond Green and im sure some others who haven't admitted it..yet). Hes had Rich Paul email media members (See Rick Bucher) to put pressure on them to consider voting for Lebron as MVP. That shit again is tampering and taints the integrity of media members and the awards they vote on.
How about the Biogenesis scandal and that smoking gun that ESPN somehow doesn't talk about?
Earnest Mims, Lebrons longtime friend and business manager, was embroiled in the story as he bought PEDS from the lab. During Lebrons stint in Miami.
David Alexander who worked with Lebron and his wife Savanah as a personal trainer was busted for distributing PEDS in the scandal that rocked the MLB and destroyed the credibility of some great players like Manny Ramirez, A Rod and Justin Braun. They all received lengthy suspensions and may never get into the MLB hall of fame.
There was also Anthony Bosch. He was the mastermind behind Biogenesis.He figured out how to beat Olympic level drug testing. His assistant recalls Jameer Nelson coming into Biogenesis to pick up PEDS in person. She also recalled a man with the last name "Paul", as in Rich Paul, super agent of LeBron James, picking up packages every month that were labelled LJ.
Now from the sounds of it, also according to Victor Conte, the NBA is suppressing more details of this story (according to a source inside ESPN)...and I wonder why? They don't want to end up with a huge black mark against one of their greatest ever players and their league as a whole.
When you consider all of these coincidences and Lebrons durability...how can there not be a broader investigation into this? If this had been Kobe they would have suspended him for a year or worse and his reputation ruined. And rightly so.
This is a bit long winded but there are so many of us, NBA fans, that are sick of the narrative of Lebrons greatness, being shoved down our throats. I have watched hoops for 23 years now and I have never seen more pandering and simping for a guy than this. It's like he deserves to win the title every year just for being who he is. What happened to competing and earning it? What happened to playing 82 games. Staying loyal to teammates you are in the trenches with. Lebon sees his teammates as disposable employees to meet his ends. He wants it given to him because hes the "Chosen One". Sadly this era has birthed a geeration of Brontards who can't dispel any of the facts I just laid out. They'll just call me a hater. Sorry brontards, facts don't care about your feelings.
Jordan was only better at basketball skills..his dribbling,footwork,ect..that was it..LeBron king James the best all around player in NBA history...scoring,passing.rebounding,assist,longivity,off the coart legacy and willing to speak up for social issues...ect.ect.ect..
Lebron James the "ultimate playmaker"? REALLY?? I mean he's good, very good, but he ain't at that level. Magic is the real ultimate playmaker and Stockton is second. Besides when MJ had to play at the PG he was amazing. Truly amazing.
But Greatness, real greatness is not about stats, it's about MOMENTS, where the man shines and just shows to all that he's not backing down, willing to go through war to get the job done. It's the mentality in display that combined with other factors (athleticism, skill, game IQ) makes the man more than a man, becoming a symbol that makes all of us to aspire to become better. Magic, Bird, Kobe, Duncan and ofc MJ, they all had it, and showed it for th entirety of their careers. Lebron is a phenom, true, but he lacks the mentality.
LeBron james is a GOAT.. 6-0 is a Team efforts not individual .. 40k points is a individual achievements unlike jordan's did .. remember jordans teammates .. even he's a teammates Pippen said .. Jordan was a Horrible player .. meaning a crocodile player 😂😂😂
LeBron has clearly become the GOAT
Question: If your All Around game is much more valuable then the question is where did it brought him? 4 Chips and 2 of those are in the top 3 of the most Weakest Chips in history. Not to mention the other 2 were won on a Hard fought game 7 were he was bailed out by a teammate to win. MJ is a away better Stats wise and not LeBron though.
Leading multiple teams? More like leaving multiple teams. Leaving the team that drafted you without a Ring to show for it just to jump ship to team up with other great players in the same conference is not "Great". It's disloyal.
Not his fault cavs didnt build around him , while the bulls built the perfect team for mike .
@@orielya5624 MJ had the Patience & the Respect for Chicago to stay long enough to form a good roster. Then he gave Chicago 2 3-peats. Loyalty pays off.
@@orielya5624 Was it LeBrons fault when Dallas beat the Heat? Or was it another bad roster?
LeBron vs Mike is a ridiculous . LeBron not top 10. Not 😅 even the best small forward.
Michael Jordan played in the 80s
Mj has the style and grace when he moves and play in the court also charisma mj was make the world crazy about basketball
mj is the goat with a fg% under .500.. also the disrespect for the monster with bulls #33 jersey in is amazing
I'm sorry, my guy but there are so many flaws in your arguments that it makes it difficult to ignore. LBJ is a great player and he's earned his seat at the GOAT table. But we all know who's seated at the head of the table.
MJ because he never needed a super team he pushed guys into becoming legends like Pippen, Kerr, and Grant.
The 95-96 chicago bulls were the best superteam in history
Mike just made it look pretty perfect
taking rex chapman for my last shot over lebron.
There no question that LeBron is the G.O.A.T!
The only thing jordan has over lebron is scoring, but not really too. When Lebron tied Jordans total points made, Lebron had 1200 less shots attempted than Jordan. So Lebrons a much more efficient scorer. I dont think theres much debate left in 2024, Lebron has been the goat for a while now in my eyes. But still really nice video you deserve more subs
MJ is better offensively and defensively. Not even close. Im not even gonna bring in individual accolades
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Lebron not top 10 player
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Jordan by miles away in terms of steals and blocks jordan has 3 steals titles 10 scoring titles...and jordan was rank 77th overall....by what? By TURNOVERS AND LEBRON IS 1ST IN ALL TIME TURNOVERS that's the difference....
So Malone’s a better scorer than Jordan and LeBron? He has a higher fg% than both and when LeBron passed him, LeBron did it on more shot attempts