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I thought the Lumix colours looked better 😂
So did I, but we shouldn't kid ourselves. What we like is 100% subjective, and even if it wasn't, how colors appear to us depends mostly on how good or bad the quality of our monitor is, and how good (or bad) our monitors are calibrated, and what the ambient light falling on our monitors is, and even then, it depends on the age and health of our eyes, and other characteristics or our eyes.
funny , As I prefered the Leica ones .specialty reds and oranges seem a tad more subtle and rue to life . lumix were more " orangy "
@@marinrealestatephotography and we must also not forget youtube compression, the export format, color grade or codec when exported etc. Straight out of camera could be very different from what we see here on youtube
So did i.
@@MarkaustinHaslerLOL having owned millions of cameras I actually think this 😂
This was super interesting! I'd love a standalone review of the Leica, as it seems really interesting, and looks like it handles quite differently than the lumix cameras menu and button wise
I don't base my buying preference on color profiles, film simulations, etc. You buy the hardware that feels good for you-- then you tweak the colors to your liking. If you do photography long enough, you'll discover that the whole shooting experience is most important.
Bullshit. You must always buy a camera based on the colors, sharpness, and aesthetics of the pictures that come straight out of the camera.
So, the red dot doesn't have any impact in color science. Great comparison Josh!
Nothing that would warrant upgrading for - I think the benefits of the Leica come in different areas :) Thank you!
@@JoshCameronplease redo the test with a leica apo sl lens 🙏🤗
@@JoshCameron yes, the glass.
Well yes, it does actually, just not with these two cameras. When I use the same lenses between my Leica CL & Lumix G9 there is a stark difference, with the Leica colors being much more pleasing. The greens are especially nicer on the Leica, With the G9 looking a bit garish & oversaturated with nature shots especially.
@@kfx13except you can put the Leica lenses on the LUMIX camera also
I'm a camera reseller and this is the thing I always say to customers. There are great and expensive cameras. But this won't say these cameras are for them. Would you start driving with a F1 ? The Leica and the x100 are some of these cameras not for everyone but the influences of RUclips are so great they believe it's THE best camera that never takes bad pictures...
Thanks for your channel I've discovered today. Sorry for my bad English.
Honestly the pics which I found to be most pleasing and I liked the best were all Leica,
Same, I think in the beginning "blind" tests all the Leica images had deeper blacks and the other images looked more washed out and thus less "sharp" in comparison
Many years ago I had an M6 and Summicrons, tbh the film images were no better than those from my Nikons, I was lured by the brands reputation as it being God like, when in reality my prime Nikkors were equally as contrasty and sharp, to say I was disappointed was an understatement, I ultimately sold my Leica gear, but heart on sleeve wish in some ways I still had it, because of what it was and not how it performed 🤔
Nice to see mythbusting. And bad to see brands and myths used to grab more money out of peoples pocket.
Judging from this video the skin tones are the main difference but would love to see another video with the higher megapixel SL2 or SL3 and a Leica lens.
The SL2 looks the same as the Panasonic Lumix S1R. The SL3 uses another Sony higher resolution sensor so the image characteristics will be very similar to other Leica and Lumix cameras. These Leica and Lumix cameras share the same Sony sensors. The Leica's even borrow the Lumix autofocus system. They're practically the same cameras only the SL3 has a higher resolution sensor from the same line up of sensors.
I used ChatGPT to create a really nice s1 to SL2 conversion Lightroom preset and I’m amazed with what I get with a simple click afterwards.
B shots looked slightly better. Hilarious it was the LUMIX.
Thanks so much for this! I could be wrong but I was find it's the glass that gives the most character sometimes. Would be interesting to see a new Leica lens on both bodies and see if they look and respond the same.
Thanks Ed, I'm actually trying to sort that out at some point because I think that would be a really cool test :)
@@JoshCameron Epic keep up the amazing work bro.
People expected if a camera cost more then it will produce colors that will make you orgasm when you look at . No
I've been a Leica M shooter for decades. I currently own a M-P Type 240 which I love. Over two years ago I bought a Lumix S1R. Being a working photographer for over 50 years after learning all the innumerable options on the Lumix, I still am astonished at it's capabilities and image quality. Same 47MP sensor as the "comparative" Leica and a fraction of the cost.
How do you like the s1r
Agreed. The S1R would be a 'step up' from the SL2S and found for $1,500 most places. I shoot with two.
Colour wise since Leica and Panasonic share technology there are only a few subtle differences. Leica files will be slightly more open in the mids. The Leica files will have the saturation slightly lower. Finally the Leica files have a few points less magenta shift to them. The Leica sensor has a thinner filter stack so it behaves better with older M lenses and shows very slightly more acutance with the absolute best glass (APO Summicrons). But this lens won't show that.
You paid for Grerman wages for assembly, the industrial design, menus and build quality. Plus the red dot.
I was 100% successfull to tell which ones was Leica and which not. Leica's trademark colors are orange, green and reds. The overall Lumix's colors are more saturated. You might prefer it but I like the Leica look. It's subtle but it's definitely there.
Some people definitely have a more trained eye for this stuff, and it's awesome that you can see the differences like night and day!
In the age of widespread RAW use, I understand Leica is more about the experience with the camera. And I for one hugely appreciate it being built in Europe. Imagine a UK-built camera!
Exactly, if you willing to support the company approach to production in EU and appreciation for photography in general, please go ahead. I think both are very important!
Simply put others have narrowed the gap and even caught up to Leica. Camera tech has pretty much plateaued now. Owning a Leica 10 years ago would be a different story. Having said that the Leica skin tones are superior and I would suggest you test that out on a variety of skin tones to see where your money has gone.
Use any camera, and just edit. Leica will happily take your $$$. Lol.
Leica is like bmw, diagnosis. not even state of mind anymore....
This was really insightful and I was surprised - I thought there would be a more pronounced - thanks for the unbiased comparisons, look forward to the video results!
The video side is also very interesting actually! Thank you mate :)
Outside of build quality it’s the Leica hoax
i ve sl2s and s5iix but i think colour, contrast, sharpness and detail of leica are better than lumix, but on lumix you can input own 10 luts both of vdo and still
RUclips has compression and other things going on so you could really show us anything and we would not be able to tell anything about colours in a youtube video!
Bravo. Exept letting believe that Leica monochrome is a good thing. Only making monochrom (or duotone, etc) yourself, mixing anew the conversion of colors for each new subject (taken in color raw) is serious. Tired of people pretending it is amazing to let ANY brand impose what the Grayscale has to be (how a red or a blue etc has to look like in black and withe. That is BRAIN DEAD snobbish nonsens.
You guys have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. By comparing JPGs or raw files in Lightroom you are not doing yourself any favor. Actually, both these cameras use SONY sensors and about the same color filters array on the bayer matrix. I use Lumariver profile designer to make my own profiles and you should too because, otherwise you are just comparing how each camera interprets colors in their JPG engine or how Adobe interprets them in Lightroom. End of story!
I can make any of todays camera look equal, especially those that are embodying Sony sensors! Like 1% difference and much better than any of you imagine! Much, much better than Adobe Color or Standard and much better than C1!
I think we're officially spoiled... ALL modern cameras are amazing - a millisecond of AF, a single degree of saturation, a pixel of softness in the corners, a few grams of weight - does it actually make any real world difference? LOL
Let's just shoot and create 📸 ANY modern tool os completely adequate for almost any situation 🤷♂️😅
Nice comparison and a rather expected result, no difference with Panasonic glass for medium resolution camera bodies. I would be interested in a comparison of Leica SL2 camera with Panasonic S1R when using the APO Leica glass. Maybe an update also with Leica SL3 and Panasonic S1R II (whenever the later becomes available).
If you think those all look the same that's a skill issue. Whichever you like more is just personal preference though.
It looks like LEICA has nothing special to offer. It's just as good as any other full frame on the market. They are all very good, by the way!
I would agree when it comes to image quality, but for build quality and craftsmanship, I'd say they're in a league of their own :)
Nice vid!
Leica has the worst color science on the market. I'm not saying it, a professional colorist says it, that every time he has to work on that files it's like a pain in the ass (sorry is in spanish but you can translate auto the subtitles):
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If money is no problem and you want a good camera, go for a medium format Fuji, a Hasselblad... or even Nikon FF.
The Leica is more expensive because it has a pretty body, red dot and says Made in Germany. I’d love one but I agree that for the same money I would be looking at Hasselblad. The Leica pricing always manages to push just beyond expensive to ridiculous.
I'd love to try out a hasselblad myself - maybe it'll be another frivolous purchase to come!
The magic of Leica is the red dot itself. And the white logo. Nothing more. Oh yes…. the exorbitant price which can make a mediocre photographer to be respected in snobbish circles.
Leica prices cannot be justified by any means nowadays. Not even the glass.
I have been shooting a Leica M6 for the last 10 years and if you compare it to other film bodies that can take the same lens selection it's the smoothness of the experience that makes the difference. My Leica doesn't get in the way, the rangefinder on it is the best I ever used and it's just a perfect camera to be using for decades to come. It hasn't needed any service and I bought it used, built in 1990! Now that's build quality. Colour science is a funny thing, because in film the "sensor" and the "colour science" is always the same and comes from different manufacturers, Kodak, Fuji, Ilford, etc. It's all about the shooting experience and the lens selection. I personally prefer Zeiss and Voigtländer glass because the rendering has more character, but Leica definitely produces the best lenses out there from an optical viewpoint. I'm not surprised that Panasonic has finally caught up to Leica with colour science. Leica were the absolute best in the game already 10 years ago though. My old Olympus E-PL3 had terrible colours even with lots of light and broke apart beyond ISO 400. Canon 450D, awful reds because of the lack of filtration on it. At the time Leica M9 and later the M240 were already perfect over their entire ISO range👌other manufacturers are only now catching up. With a mirrorless camera going with Lumix makes sense and that's what I did, because the quality coming out of it is comparable. From a user experience stand point Lumix isn't all that great I have to say. The menus are definitely very cryptic and it's quite the learning curve compared to everything I've seen of Leica menus in reviews. And since there are so many options it isn't set it and forget it either, you actually have to use those menus all the time, so it is definitely a consideration. Where Leica really shines is in the rangefinder cameras actually. They're the only ones who still make bodies like that and it has been my preferred focusing system for the last 10 years. If I were to buy a Leica it would definitely be a rangefinder but the massive file sizes of the current models make me think that the M240 is still the sweet spot even though it's 12 years old. They have stood the test of time too, which makes it a reassuring purchase also from a resale value consideration.
I own the S1, S5, S5II, S5IIX and SL2-S. I've done the same tests and I can echo your results that the photos are 99% the same.
I think it's the same if you look at quartz watches. They are pretty much all very accurate (if you spend more than $50) as watches to tell time, and it's all about the brand, culture, build quality, material and how much you want to pay.
Are they really??
I guess not, you can`t compare some chinese quartz to a seiko or citizen.
Btw, it`s a lumix vs Leica comparison and the difference is clear.
Is the ISO sensitivity the same on the SL2s and the Lumix S1 or S5?
only buy a casio watch, be like Gates, same watch since high school.... or not, be like me, a cabinet full of swiss watches cause I love them. Same as I love, in general, all fine things. Loro Piana, Chanel, and Dior clothes, Saville Row suits (Huntsman anyone?). Vintage Ferrari. Lots of nice things that have equivalent low cost items if you only care about function. For me, Leica is worth it, I own 7 Leica lenses, and one Leica camera... I think I am done. I ordered the SL3 but am dissapointed with the performance in video. For video, I am holding out for the new Panny cameras in October!
My early Lumix Gh2 files looked digital, how are the S5II's?
You mention that for photos they perform the same. I wonder how the SL2-S perform against S5II X in video. Specially for skin tones. Could you help shareingyour insight?
Now those who said the Leica colors are magical are just experiencing placebo 😂
So the only negative about the leica = unjustified price 😉
I hope this helps people realize what they really love is M Mount glass or Leica glass for L mount. Yes, some exclusive color profiles are really nice on Leica bodies. And DNG is amazing, but sometimes not 5x the money more amazing than a used S5
DAMN! I thought the B cam was the Leica because the colors seemed slightly more saturated with smoother highlights in the first A and B test... I am shookith!
Well, on my calibrated EIZO monitor it is the exact opposite...
@@thomaslilly5834 hmm that could be the difference 🤔
Nice and fair comparison. Your conclusion is valid and correct. Nevertheless, I would never sell my SL2-s, but, I bought the Lumix S5iix too. The handling of the Leica when doing photography mostly in manuell focus is much superior to the Lumix. The Lumix is my preferred video camera. Still don't like the overloaded menu system on the Lumix, fortunately the Q button can help here a bit. So, for me there is no such a thing like "Leica" or "Lumix", I took both, and I am happy about both cameras.
Thx ... soooo bad that overpriced metallic body with Panasonic internal electronics inside... plus the worst ergonomic ever with a complex digital cameras real no go for anyone who wants to earn money with his gear
I was able to see the difference, however,pay over 200% more for 5% increase in image quality. As Josh said go medium format at those prices
People are easily fooled. Say a brand name many times and it turns people loopy.😂.
I worked with Panasonic for several years as consultant / sponsored photographer. One of things I learned is that with Leica a lot of the color and character comes from the glass. This is why if you use a Micro 4/3 Leica lens on a Panasonic body the color is different. In this case it’s related to the firmware in lens but with analog Leica lenses it’s all about the glass. I think if you got a Leica lens and did the test again it would be quite interesting. Thanks for the video ❤
Once again it shows that Lumix makes cameras based on the camera. They really care about the user making great cameras for a good price. All other cameras are bought for the brand of the camera. What i mean is people will pay more for Canon Sony or Leica based on the brand saying they have one. Where those who pay for Lumix do so based on it being a great camera. Sorta like people who pay lots of money for IPhone and snub androids phones as they think IPhone is the best phone in the world based on there marketing when it has been proven that some Android phones are just as or even better ..Great video Josh. It just shows just how amazing Lumix is becoming
Hey dude, thank you for watching! I agree that Lumix truly put value at the forefront, making about the ability of the camera instead of the name :)
40 seconds in & going to GUESS!!!!, - B. Just a little, (& I meany tiny little bit) more pop. Not worth an extra $4500 or whatever the price difference is. Plus if one doesn't mind the extra step, there is always the ColorChecker Passport! Would like to see the Lumix with a Panasonic lens vs Leica SL2/3 with a Leica lens comparison, since you started all this. Preferably primes of same length. Thanks for the vid. OOHH! 3 SECONDS LATER, = WRONG!
I bought a mint second hand SL about 4 years ago for £1800, it’s still great, best built thing of any type I’ve ever owned. The magic for me is the astonishing view finder which helps create better shots.
All modern cameras are the same. Buy the cheapest you can afford and hone your skill. Leica is an investment. That is why the rich buy it.
Hmmmm. They also looked indistinguishable to me. I used to shoot Fujifilm and I do miss its film recipes. I have yet to find a LUT to put over VLOG or into Capture one to recreate that magic. I do love the Lumix and I don't think its images/colour science are any worse (perhaps more neutral) than Fujifilm's vintage film recipes, it's just a little bit of magic that is not there... but perhaps it's just me and the pitfall of self-conviction (where there's nothing there in reality).
No ripping just WOW! Great video. But full discloser, I am a Lumix user. Just like I will never buy myself a pair of Jimmy Choo red bottom shoes I will never own a lovely red button Leica. I am ok with that.
Made in Germany from imported products - you have to keep the mystique alive somehow. Its a Panasonic on the inside. Basically the same form factor and same color science.
I have both SL2-S and S5II using SL 24-90, M mount Leica and Voigtlander and Sigma 45 and 35mm lenses. Any combination of body and lenses above produces more then excellent images. Conclusion I come to using above combos in almost twelve months since I got S5II (owning SL2-S for two years). BTW there is a lots of Panasonic tech in Leica, bodies and lenses.
The Lumix colours look about 3-5% more saturated but that's about it. It's marketing, that's all it is. That's why people who drink expensive wine swear it tastes better but with true A/B/X testing nobody can tell. And it's why audiophiles swear their expensive cables make audio sound better but not when under test conditions. And also why people who take branded painkillers report they work better even though the ingredients in the pills are literally identical. The placebo effect is real.
With that in mind, I've recently moved to Lumix from Canon and the colours do look very different to me although I haven't done a side by side test yet. I don't have a way to mount the same lens on each camera so the differences may be down to lenses but maybe it's all in my imagination!
Not surprising since the Leica C-Lux, D-Lux and V-Lux series cameras are all Panasonic made. Both companies work closely together and just announced a new upcoming "L2" project where they will share technologies on upcoming cameras, lenses and more. In fact, Im willing to bet the 47MP sensor in the S1R is the same sensor found in the SL2 and the 24MP BSI sensor in the SL2-S is the same sensor from the S5II. Highly suspect the megapixel counts are the same and the colors are so similar. Im guessing the only difference is the processor being used in the cameras.
I've known this since I bought my Panasonic LX100 in 2014. I couldn't believe how good it was in pictures and video and to this day it has (to me) the best color science straight out of camera of any brand.
Except for the pink faces :)
Only the worst photographers will believe in nonsense like Leica colour.
Just dont understand spending that much when there are cameras like the S5.
so, leicas aren't better. what a surprise. good comparison
Leica holds resale value pretty good. Don't know what the dollar drop off is compared to other brands but build quality. I can believe they Might have a lower defect ratio being assembled the way they do or advertised. Digital age meaning electronics fail & that is that. Now if Leica says & does support their cameras 20 years from now like their rangefinder series, that is saying something considering my Nikon was announced that it will no longer be supported after 9 years from release date as were some canon DSLR cameras. In todays world of cameras just maybe the value is in the glass. How about a made in germany 35, 50 or ,,, mm lens to made inJapan/Chinese lens comparison.
Isn't the Leica color magic only truly in their M series CCD sensors? Like they use Kodak sensors which from what I remember somewhere were modeled after Kodachrome film.
I think so, I only just learned about this recently, so I'd love to maybe try and find a body with the CCD sensor second hand to test it out :)
Actually, many YT Camera channels have said the Lumix Colour Science is as good as anything out there these days, so, this is not really that much of a surprise. With a good lens and modern Post work, these days, it's not really much of an issue, I mean...can you name a really Bad Camera made today...?
The Lumix of course...is a Third of the Price of the Leica....!!
It's just hype. Falls under the same category as Rolex watches for example.
As a watch nerd, I concur
Actually I saw a little bit of difference but it is minimal and it was so close that it only comes to the red bot. Great video tho always wondered but don't have the money to test on a sl
More than a "negative" to Leica, I would say an extra positive for the Lumix... I have a simple SL 601 which I'm quite happy, but SL2 and SL2-S may have a different sensor ?Thanks for your very interesting test.
it's just a brand now... nothing special
if you don't see differences, it means it's not for you
Leica and Panasonic are partners for years, the L2 partnership. They have different ergonomics and having both camera brand i like different pieces from each. I use the lumix camera because of the ergonomics and weight savings. The Leica feels better in hands and build is insanely good. Both cameras are highly reliable and that’s the win.
I would only ever use Lumix "Standard" (default) colour profile for scientific/technical shots because it has the best colour authenticity of any camera brand, where true to life colour reproduction is essential. But it is boring.
For general photography I would use Natural, Scenery or Portrait, anything but Standard. This is a common mistake by reviewers: Lumix Standard is not for general photography. It should be renamed as "true colour" or "flat" and it should not be the default colour profile.
I vote for 'true colour', because that sounds awesome!
@@JoshCameron actually it's quite drab and boring. Not the one to use for general photography.
Leica must be up there with the biggest waste of money in the camera world. Cash for a tacky red badge, it's wild.
There are huge benefits to owning a Leica if you're someone who cares about resell value, build quality and a minimalistic design, but from my tests, I can't say that the IQ is what would see me on one :)
Leica shooter here, recognized the Leica images... The SL2S is amazing, lovely with M lenses as well! Enjoy your SL2S, you made a good choice!
I always thought it was understood that these cameras are internally the same. Leica and LUMIX have been sharing tech for awhile now. And actually the newer lumix premium lenses are very on par with Leica glass so I honestly wouldn’t bother with Leica glass as the new lumix lenses are pretty expensive themselves compared to some other offerings from other brands
I remembered the SL2S looked different than the S5 esp when using adapted M lenses.
The other was corner smearing. At least when I tested, the SL2S was noticeably sharper in the corners for adapted M glass.
A niche use case for sure, but Perhaps give M glass a try?
After owning and using a Leica Q (stunning colours and sharpness) and an M240, I bought an SL. I was disappointed with the images and returned it. I’m sure the SL2 and 3 are superb. I bought a Hasselblad X1D2 and find the colours are amazing. I’m really happy with my decision.
Camera body means nothing. Photography is all about the glass.
Wrong
One thing that should be vastly better with the Leica is the EVF, it's supposed to use their own glass lenses for a far better image - how did you experience this difference?
Lenses make differences not bodies. I tried my SL lens on S5iix and it showed the same Leica magic. But if you want to maximize your lens, you’d better get a body from the same manufacturer. Hope you would test with some SL lenses next time to both bodies. IBIS of S5iix and OIS of SL2490 seemed not work properly to me.
Leadership at Leica said that their selling point of the SL is less about the spec but more about build quality. Basically you pay $$$ for a handmade product.
Mostly you pay for German taxes and high salaries.
leica is like iphone, a scam in the name!
I don’t understand what is shocking, Panasonic advertised that the Lumix S5II was made with Leica.
Basically, this is simply the result of decades of cooperation between Leica and Lumix. Both companies have benefited from this - and the L-Alliance is simply the logical development of the cooperation. Without Lumix, there would hardly be any Leica today, and without Leica, Lumix would not have become one of the top lens manufacturers.
Good experiment. How about using an SL apo lens and comparing the results?
Oeh you're going to get angry emails from the red dot nutters (-; trying to save face in the end though
'Red Dot Nutters'😂 A very interesting description for Leica enthusiasts, one i've never heard before!
Panasonics best kept secret since they psrtnered with Leica all these years ago has been sharing sensors with Leica on some (not all) bodies. S5ii is literally just a pretend SL series camera for a fraction the cost.
I nailed it!
Would like to see the same test with a Leica M lens on both cameras.
As a Lumix user with five Leica lenses, including two f1.7 zooms, I can attest to the quality of images…
The quality and character is in the glass, and the photographers eyes…
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@superzero4250 are you a micro four thirds shooter? The best lens for a lumix system is the nocticron.
@@mnkwazi TRUE; however, for the format overall, it is the M.Zuiko Digital ED 75mm ƒ1.8… (a lens I have)
To be fair; the M.Zuiko Digital ED 45mm ƒ1.2 Pro, is every bit as good as the Nocticron, plus it is weather-sealed (and why I chose it over the Nocticron)… In fact I own the trio of M.Zuiko Pro ƒ1.2 primes…
The M.Zuiko 45mm and 17mm Pro have not been officially listed as tested thoroughly the same way the Nocticron has, but I am confident it measures up…
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@3:07 I mean there is clearly a difference between the two in skin tone. Look at the lips and the color of the skin under your eyes. Overall skin seems more magenta on the Leica
That said they are very close and could easily be edited to match.
I've shot both Leica and LUMIX and overall I agree with you - but only if you are not using Leica L mount lenses or adapted Leica lenses which have a dedicated profile for each on the SL series cameras. This is not comparable to the LUMIX or any other L mount camera (The SIGMA FP/FPL, DJI, or BMCC 6k), Leica may not have the extensive profiles as the LUMIX, but the idea here is MOST people don't need it. The user experience with the Leica SL in all of its variants (which was the first full frame L mount camera) is far beyond the S series LUMIX. As I believe you mentioned, the LUMIX S1 and S1R are comparable to the SL2S and SL2 respectively, and the LUMIX have more functions and a tilting screen - I found say, using multi-shot high resolution mode with the S1 was better than the SL2/SL2S because you could hand hold the camera where Leica made it shake resistant (I never saw any real artifacts from the few times I used this mode.) The SL3 adds the tilting screen, and a number of other modern functions that the SL/SL2/SL2-S do not have and like the entire SL line it's much more robust than the S1 series. I am interested in seeing if LUMIX actually updates the S1R or just sticks with the S5II and S9. If they do, not sure what its difference would be from the SL3 other than build, menus and maybe a few functions that would be specific to its user base. Also, for reselling and maybe switching systems you will get a better bang for your buck by even investing in a used SL2 than getting the cheaper S1R and trying to sell it later. Also, for retaining the camera for a long period of time (past its shelf life) the Leica is the better option. I have direct experience with this as I sold my SL2 and S1 at the same time and had vastly different takes. Do I agree with you that the medium format larger sensor cameras are better? I mean, sure. Technically... but the usability of the Hasselblad is SLOW, and the GFX is a mess of menu system with odd color science. I have a straight from the factory Leica S typ 007 and have used the Leica S3 and for image quality and usability I am waiting for the Leica S4 or mirrorless version (the Leica S has thus far been a DSLR type body, like the Pentax 645Z, which I also owned). I think Fuji has done a great job with the GFX, but the Leica S is giving Phase One without the cost and even at less MP (37MP for the S typ 007, and 64MP for the S3) it is the best image quality I have used. Period.
Great demonstration
Sorry Leica 😅
I made the same test even more complete between the SL2 and S1R
No place for the Leica in my bag sorry red dot ! The S1R is soooo much powerful than the SL2 and the colors are exactly the same.
In the opposite I only use Leica SL lenses on all my lumix cameras. They are awesome and as you mention I don’t see the point buying a Leica camera and put sigma or LUMIX lenses on it. It doesn’t make sense and it’s a lot of money lost.
I decided to do the opposite way. SL lenses on used market can be found at half their price and the difference between the other brands in the L mount alliance is really there. The APO lenses are dream lenses without purple not green fringes and sharp edge to edge
Lumix has the best color for me, which is why I changed my main system for job from Fuji to Lumix as the JPEG of this camera is very pleasing to majority of people eyes. Yes , fuji Jpeg is what sells that camera but it’s more for artistic expression rather than general public taste. I must say Lumix SOOC gave an IQ which is a mix between clinical and a little bit of filmic/analog.
And that's always a nice balance to have! I used to use Fuji for a while too, but never for client work for that very reason you're explaining. Lumix just does everything perfect for work scenarios :)
You can do just about anything on the Lumix that your can do on an SL. But that’s not the point. The build quality and user experience are what you are paying for. In addition the long term resale value is also worth considering. I have a 10 year old M240 that still fetches more than 3k on the used market. When you hold and shoot other cameras they just don’t have the premium feel of the Leica bodies. The only similar experiences I have had has been with Hasselblad from a haptic standpoint. I have an SL2 and its amazing. Not the latest tech but completely professional and contemporary with most modern cameras.
To fully understand Leica as a system you need to keep in mind the historical users of their products. The SL system uses very thin cover glass on their sensors, this allows M mount lens users to shoot SL cameras and still get high performance from those lenses, but if they so choose can switch to a modern mirrorless lens and experience those benefits too. Many SL owners have M mount film cameras too, so having the ability to use the same lenses on both mediums really adds to the versatility of the system. These older lenses do not function well on other brands, particularly the wider lenses from 35mm and shorter because they use thicker cover glass on their sensors. Of course one can also buy an M mount digital camera, but that takes modern autofocus lenses out of the equation. For those of us that want the best of the film era Leica's and modern digital the SL system offers unparalleled versatility.
Does Panasonic camera sensors have the same thickness with Leica, or more similar to Canon, Nikon, and Sony?
Mostly agree but I used my m mount glass on my Sony A7RV for a year before getting my M11 and see practically no difference in image quality. I dont think there is really much of a difference when adapting the glass to other systems
@@FedThePoopy Yeah, Sony or any other mirrorless body can certainly be used with good results in many cases. Particularly for portraits as the corners are not really a factor in that case, and longer lenses will be the order of the day. In my case the Sony / Nikon / Canon or Panasonic bodies were a bit of a non starter as I shoot with wide (21mm and 15mm) lenses a lot and the corner performance is important to my own work.
yes, but that' just brand-fanboy stuff. How does that negate the fact that their Color-Science is nothing special?
How you know somebody is a Leica shooter?
They tell you.
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Can we get I Leica lightroom preset to apply Leica colours on s5m2 images in raw post processing. Or even better can we load Leica colour science LUT straight into s5m2?
Exactly. This is the real question.
Marketing hype and status
I picked the s5 in every instance as my preferred image.
Leica used to have great color science. I’d argue the M10 is one of the best JPEG cameras of all time along with the M9.
But new cameras are all so dang good the only reason to get a Leica is for the look and feel of the camera itself.
Bottom line is whatever gets you out shooting is the camera to have.
I’ll stick to my sigma FP L for digital and my Leica M7 for film.
Love Panasonic colour too!
SL2s is the cheapest model with most Panasonic like colour though, original SL or M240, M10, M11 are all different and more vivid in colour science.
Looks interesting, well above my budget
I always thought the Leica SL’s were Panasonics in Leica bodies with Leica menus and some tweaks. I wonder about the rangefinder Leicas, there might be more difference there