Which Camera Has the BEST Black and White JPEG Profile?
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At PetaPixel, we love black and white! However, we’ve never done a side by side test of the black and white profiles each camera manufacturer uses. Chris Niccolls set out to rectify that, with a variety of tests. See which black and white profile reigns supreme!
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0:00 - Intro
2:03 - The tests
3:57 - Canon
4:55 - Nikon
5:50 - Leica
8:15 - OM System
9:21 - Pentax
10:34 - Panasonic
12:42 - Sony
14:24 - Fujifilm
16:00 - The results 
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Apologies for the dark frame at 16:25. I screwed up!
- Jordan
No apologies necessary. But the murky look of all the podcasting-studio scenes demonstrated why b&w video needs to be lit completely differently from color video. Watching a couple of episodes of the old "Perry Mason" TV series should be all the clinic needed. (But Jordan already knows all this...)
Believe it or not, jail.
No worries
1 out of 28,500 ain’t bad.
I mean, it ain’t bad but we’d still fire you. ;)
I thought for a moment you were going Sopranos-ending...
I like that you still put Pentax in your tests, sadly many people forgot about Pentax...
More like they forgot about themselves. They clearly showed interest in mirrorless in 2013 with the K-01. They should have continued the mirrorless idea instead of abandoning it.
pentax? What are they?
@@jungleboy1 Google it
@@fotografalexandernikolisThey're a niche brand. Would be expensive for them to move to mirrorless. Sure they've made a couple, but it'd still be cheaper for them to make DSLR's like they do. And honestly the only real downside to it is size.
@@fotografalexandernikolisthe K-01 was forgotten because Jourdan took so long to his video review
For those who are wondering, just tested my Zf and Z9 with the latest firmwares, the monochrome profiles are very very close if not identical.
I think that monochrome from Z8 is the same as the Zf and z9 with the latest firmware
Nikon has some of the best monochrome images imo
@@ryantang8146 There are more black and white profiles on the zf!
But they still didn’t test either of the 2 new B&W profiles that they premiered on the ZF
Uga buga uga buga 🦍🦍
I have no idea why i made this comment. It has no meaning
This is why Pana's Real-time LUT is such a powerful feature. Can load any look into the camera and use it as a native colour profile (while still getting the untouched RAW).
Absolutely agree .. I think this opens up an entire new space for Panasonic users to create and exchange Luts. Also worth noting the Leica Monochrome profile on the G9II also has a great deal of built-in flexibility right on the screen.. I think that would have been worth a mention on their part.
how is that different from any other custom picture style, whether there's a convenient software imp/exp feature or not?
are those LUTs much more detailed than the standard contrast, sharpness, etc. parameters?
Nikon and Fuji Acros for me.
Same. Nikon stood out in the high contrast group and Fuji stood above Canon in the mid contrast group. And I didn't like either Pentax or OM in the first group
Agree! I hate Nikon colors, but black and white is always a win
@@DiegoJoseSJaime nikon color is better nowaday but B&W are wonderful
Agreed - The Nikon Monochrome profile is a winner right out of the box - creating images akin to what we were aiming for in the dark room with our TMAX film. It is a really great B&W. I never saw it up against all the others in such a direct comparison - and of course this is just a matter of preference, but for us old school dark room guys - Nikon hit it out of the park.
-PD
Oh man I used to love TMAX 400 so much…those were the days.
Chris at the end should have been like "Oh buy my B&W presets" 🤣
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😂
BTW for my taste Nikon nailed it.
so true, wasn't expecting it at all!
I am surprised you didn't feature the Ricoh GRIII(X) as in my experience it approaches Leica monochrome
Gxr was better
I love the lecia look. I didn't believe I would say that
A someone who shoots B&W 99.5% of the time, I loved this episode. Thanks for all the hard work!
The monochrome look in the Panasonic lumix G9 ii used to film this episode outdoor is really amazing
Great to see that you included a Pentax here, respect 🙌
Honestly, one of my favorite things to do with my Fuji was to set up the film simulations, slap on an adapted manual focus vintage lens, and just walk around shooting pictures with the back screen off. Don't look at what your results, just focus on taking photos, shoot in JPEG, and enjoy it. I never had any complaints with the results that I got from my Fuji and the built-in profiles, and it was super easy to make custom ones as well.
This is the way 🙏
The problem using sims in jpeg only is if your blacks are raised or contrast is raised you can't retrieve the information later..
@@sclogse1 That's the point, my man. You get what you get and you don't pitch a fit. It's just like shooting film, where you can adjust a little at most; teaches you to really think about your exposure and composition instead of just doing a spray and pray and shooting a thousand photos.
Level 2: Restrict yourself to shooting only in multiples of 36 to really simulate shooting in film.
That's what I love about Fuji too: just shoot the photos the way you want them to look and rarely having to go back to the RAF afterwards.
Panasonic S5II with LUT. It fills my heart with color 🎉
Which LUT do you use, or is it a custom one?
P Diddy fills it too
Personally I really like how I can adjust the Nikon B/W profiles in Picture Control and tune it with curves, colour filters and other parameters. Makes creating an individual “film simulation” super easy.
Nikon should communicate more about that. It's a great feature to do this in camera. My d780 has it too and I like it
I rarely shoot JPG, and even more rarely B&W, so I am pretty clueless here, but I'd think that all of these cameras would allow for tuning the image processing, no? I mean, can't you go into menus and increase/decrease contrast? Maybe more? Guess I should dig into my a7riv to see. :-)
@@MadChalet Not sure how much the others let you adjust the profile or if they have curves and color filter options. But being able to save copies with different settings on Nikon is very nice. I even made a negative setting so I can see the final result in camera when "scanning" film. I'm pretty sure that wasn't possible on two Sonys I've used
@@TheDeltaMoo To fill the gaps in the conversation, every Fujifilm digital camera of the current era back to 2012 has had the functionality of adjusting film simulation and then shadows, dynamic range (aka mid-range push), highlights, push/pull exposure, color saturation, white balance/shift, sharpness and noise reduction as a profile in camera and the ability to save another copy with different settings from raw. More recent models added additional effects like grain, color chrome, smooth skin, tone curve, clarity.
@@TheDeltaMoo For Canon, I'm only aware of their picture profiles, which are curves that can be created in a graphical editor on a computer and then uploaded to the camera, so less of an exact science (not quantifiable other than by eyeballing on your screen) and more dependent on preparing before going out on a shoot. Not sure what additional features their most recent models made available, hopefully someone else can chime in with details.
It was great to see a comparison of jpegs, letting the camera hardware and software do their thing, leaving Lightroom, Capture One, etc, out of the loop.
Exploring something you were curious about with a structured test to get better photos. I like this kind of video, not a new product release, not a podcast. More please 😊
Nikon’s brightness setting in the picture profile lets you control the midtones.
Yeah the "must stick to defaults" approach and then making a judgement based on taste isn't super meaningful IMHO.
Better to try to recreate the same look (or one crushed, one natural, one bright) by shifting exposure, shadows and highlights on each and then actually discussing tonality from there.
You cant test individual settings over n cameras
Ricoh GRIII has the best black and white jpegs I've ever used, and I guess we have Daido Moriyama to thank. 👑
The ones from the Ricoh GX200 are amazing too!
@@drs-Rigo-Reuswow another GX200 user! Yes when I bought mine a few years ago, the Mono JPGs floored me
Camera breaks too easy
Yes proper B&W like PROVOKE, the video above has green in it!
@@_H_2023 quality control is terrible get a Coolpix
Also, like the B&W switch on the Nikon Zf that has Z8 processor, and those great BW images.
Personal favorite was the Leica, because I find the brightness in the midtones on it quite pleasing with the rest being so stark and contrasty. I love my G9II (and even have the Leica monochrome profile on one of my custom buttons) but they don't quite get it right in the midtones.
Sony and Nikon for me. Probably would like Leica more if the portrait was in focus. Fujifilm second place. What about a Ricoh GR and Fujifilm X100 B&W comparison?
Glad to see the differences between all the major brands. I didn’t expect to see how much change is seen.
Thank you for continuing to be curious in the B&W side of digital photography!
I love the monochrome setting on my EM1 Mkii. At first I wasn't that crazy about it but I found some help on a forum by someone who shoots mono and I loved his shots that he posted. I set my Olympus EM1 Mkii to The following:
Sharpness: Default setting
Contrast: +1
Gradation: Low
Color Filter: None
Monochrome color: normal
Highlight & Shadow Control: Shadow: -3, Highlight +3
Often times I will set the ISO to 1600 or higher to introduce noise which looks awesome on the Mkii. Not a huge difference than default, but it made a big improvement in the image.
Also try this with Hi Res mode.
You’re very close to my B/W settings. Low Key Gradation. +2 high, -2 shadows but +6 midtones. No extra contrast. I like to use the Red filter. In my opinion it gets me close to the L Monochrome D look of the GX9. Low Key Gradation is the key here. Those settings don’t quite retain the shadow details of the L Mono D but it’s close enough for a camera that is much easier to hold.
@@alex-reay Wow! Thanks for the feedback. I can't wait to try your settings.
@@ValiRossi hold that, I think I've given you the wrong settings to replicate L Monochrome D, the midtones above are too high! Try Auto Gradation which lifts shadows and lower highlights creating a flatter profile. L Monochrome D has good shadow detail, so Auto Gradation is the way to go. Then in the Tone Curve be careful not to lose that detail. I set it to +3 Highlights, -3 Shadows, 0 Midtones. No Contrast. That seems to create a really nice Mono JPG with good contrast without losing too much shadow info. It's all subjective of course. You might just like Low Key Gradation on it's own, with zero tone curve or contrast, it's really very nice. Panasonic really have worked some magic with L Monochrome D, I think I'm now in the ball park with my Olympus.
@@alex-reay @ValRossi - great stuff, noted, thanks
@@KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht that said, I’ve changed my Mono settings/recipe again to more resemble ValRossi’s settings. Now very happy with Normal Gradation, Contrast 0, Sharpness 0, Tone Curve -3 on the Shadows and +3 on the Highlights, Midtones at 0. Red filter on. The Gradation settings play a massive part, so if you want to retain more highlight and shadow detail then use Auto Gradation. You can then tweak the Tone Curve to adjust contrast to taste. For Colour, it’s just a slight tweak to the Natural picture mode, Gradation stays at Normal, Tone Curve +3 Hi, 0 Mids, -3 Shadows. White Balance on Auto but change Alpha +1, Green +2, everything else on 0. Dive into the Menu to Turn Warm Color off and the JPGs are 😍🤌🏻
I think it's good to talk about picture profiles, I used to never think about them. After talking to some of the Fuji shooters and kids who want a retro 'camera', it hit me how much people care about in camera profiles & dont want to do any post work.
Yep- that was one of my primary reasons for going Fuji, second only to compactness.
Of course I do shoot +RAW, but I don’t end up needing them 99.9% of the time, and when I do I’ll use the camera itself to reprocess those images instead of going to Lightroom. Of those, nine times out of ten it can be saved that way.
I can personalize my Panasonic G9 II’s monochromatic styles, utilize a LUT, or tweak in post-all for a lot less money than some of the other camera brands you profiled. You always bring balance to the table along with a fun and informed narrative. Thank you for including Panasonic in your videos.
This is the type of video we didn't know that we needed. Nice comparison!
The one thing missing on this tests is the different “color” filters available within the profiles. They will change the rendition on skin tones, the sky, foliage.. also, contrast curves are available and other minor tweaks. Of course it would be a hour long video and ebpven longer to shoot but hey.. why not?
Ha Ha! Thank you for appreciating the gravity of the situation!
Spot-on, no notes. -Nikon Zf shooter 😁
This video was so interesting I watched it three times over. I would love to see a part two featuring cameras grouped by sensor size. Keep it coming .
A lot more variance than I expected.
Not surprising really. Think of every little setting you can tinker with in a RAW file. Each camera is assuming a value for all of these settings in an instant and that will vary a lot camera to camera as per each standard profile like in the video.
I don’t mind the bright OM look. But I have been enjoying the two grainy film profiles recently. I think they’re really fun. They make everything look extremely interesting and dramatic.
I really like the Grainy Film II setting. If you apply it in one of the PASM modes rather than using the dial Art Filter you can adjust the tone curve to make it more or less dramatic. I like to dial it down a touch. Also the Dramatic Tone filter is fun, move the camera around and use AEL to lock in a particular effect. Good fun and unless you point the camera to the sun you won’t overexpose an image.
Grainy film looks GREAT! I was definitely hoping they would show it on the OM-1.
Thumbs up for Nikon and Leica in this comparison. Great vid / thanks!
The Nikon monochrome is the tonality I wanted to get in the darkroom out of my TMAX.
The Pentax monochrome is the tonality I actually got.
I really like the black and white images I get from my Nikon Z5 and 50mm /1.8 S. Standard colour profile, full spectrum conversion, 850nm IR filter, custom white balance.
Full spectrum?
Really enjoyed the head to head comparison. It is something I have always been curious about it is only something that only Chris and Jordan can do. Cheers and thank you for this! 🍁
Yep. I'm a Fuji Fanboy, but I'd have to give this one to Nikon. A nice balance between punch, midtone separation and contrast in all the examples here.
Yay black and white!
I just watched ripley on Netflix and it is the standard for black and white in my eyes now. Absolutely gorgeous, let’s see how this video stacks up!
If you have not already so, should check out the Mad Max Fury Road Black and Chrome (B&W version). I really enjoyed it!
Those camera sensors are capturing a huge range of stops. It's post that produces the look. If you only shoot jpeg sims you can't recover info lost in high contrast settings.
This was really informative and helpful! Thank you.
I love love love high contrast BW photography. Even those shots of Chris at his computer with the deep shadows on one side of his face are a delight. I like cinematography that isn't afraid of darkness. Interesting on how well Sony, Nikon, and Leica capture exactly the kind of rich detail I love in BW. Excellent work.
I went back through and processed a RAW file in camera on my Lumix GX9 using L Monochrome D. Really happy with the quick edit I made. Thanks for the reminder of the filter options.
Hi guys. I enjoyed this immensely! This was you two at your best.
I shoot all of my street photography on the X-T5/56 1.2 R WR/90 F2/33 1.4 in the Acros + Green and it just feels right. YMMV.
Sad you didn’t try the old PEN-F because it was designed to take nice B&W pictures. It has filters and you can easily manage highlights, shadows AND midtones.
You are right, no camera takes better B&Ws than a Pen F
Does the Pen-F have any other profiles than the other Olympus cameras? Thought all of them have the same profiles.
@@mariusm2402 Yes it has.
1. You have the Art Filters: Dramatic Tone II, Grainy Film I and II.
2. You have 3 Mono Profiles.
a. Mono Profile 1: Flat: Highlight 0, Midtone 0, Shadow 0, Grain Off.
b. Mono Profile 2: Kind of Tri-X: Highlight +6, Midtone 0, Shadow -6, Grain High.
c. Mono Profile 3: "Infrared effect" with red filter +3.
You can modify each Mono Profile Highlight, Midtone (I do not think the other cameras have a Midtone adjustment), Shadow, Grain and 8 color filters (yellow, orange, red, magenta, blue, cyan, green, yellow-green and set your settings.
@@yvestuset9263 thanks for detailing the available filters. No I have an idea why photographers asking for a Pen-F mark 2.
The filters listed under 1 are available as well in the om-1. But the om-1 has only 1 B&W preset which can be configured with sharpness, contrast, color filter (neutral, yellow, orange, red and green), monochrome color and gradation.
I change the color filter regularly, depending on the subject.
@@yvestuset9263 yes other Olympus cameras have mid tone curve, when adjusted the highs and lows, just press the Info button to access the Mid curve 😊 I like to shoot my E-M5 II with -2 shadows, +6 mids, +2 highlights and Low Key Gradation (remember to lift the Exp Comp) which seems to closely mimic the gorgeous L Monochrome D profile of my little used GX9 but without the option to add grain of course.
Really great video, first time I see such a comparison. Please more videos like this
I think Chris should do a video on trying to come up with his own Fujifilm recipes. Lead by B&W
Yeah, I modify B&W on my Olympus. -0.7 or -1 EV, -3 shadow and +3 highlights, +1 contrast. I also like shooting Dynamic Tone B&W art filter.
same, and some sharpness roll off, I set this up on the monochrome style and use art bracketing to get a copy of the totally erratic Grainy Film (II) style as well
the LCD on the old E-M10 so far seems good enough to assess curve adjustments on the fly
the pana L Mono D is really pulling me towards GX9 or G90, or even the G100 when they get real cheap
if I keep shooting mostly jpg as SOOC as possible it'll be a great option
Very interesting review and comparison. A nice change from gear oriented reviews. Thanks for doing this.
Thanks so much, guys for doing this.
Really nice comparison. And a shout out to Leica’s lens. The detail on the hands in the portrait are eye catching.
Fuji Acros is my personal favorite. It’s not meant to be shot plain it’s a blank template imo to be tinkered with using Fujis extensive jpeg settings. Also, yes my Panasonic LX3 from 2008 has a dynamic B&W profile that takes stunning JPEGs 😉
It’s a Shame they didn’t include the Panasonic Dynamic Monochrome preset as it’s one of the best!
Such a fun video, super enjoyable to watch!
Fascinating video! Thanks Guys.
Excellent video! Super informative and concise.
Fantastic video! I started shooting again 1.5 years ago but decided to shoot b n w for 6 months. I never stopped! Once I found Acros Film Simulation that's all I shoot now with RAW backup. This video explains the b n w nuances very well.
Great comparison! I love the way you talk about the pictures. :-D
For me, the winner is Leica closely followed by Nikon. It was a very interesting comparison indeed.
Thanks for giving some attention to black and white.
I enjoyed this one! I have a Q3 I'm taking on a bucket list trip soon and plan on setting it to BW just for the challenge of it. I truly enjoy your videos that get into the nuts and bolts, but doing an experiment just to see what happens brings back the fun of photography, right? So, thanks for this little experiment of yours. I'm really hoping my Q3 shots come out nicely contrasted like your shots with the M11. I will be very happy if they do!
great comparison; really fun video
I love my Fuji XT-4 for B&W because you get so many options in the simulations for them, there's always a look I can work with. Like being able to change the tones based on color is super useful if I'm moving between architecture and portrait.
Nice review Chris. Very interesting and different.
You folks need to look at the Olympus PenF for B&W done right.
yes, profile 3 is the best
You can set the settings in my OM5 Mark111 to match the Pen. You can do the same for all the OM series too. Rob Trek has the settings on his You Tube channel. Sooner have my mark111 with weatherproof and other features over the outdated Pen F
iirc Fuji's Monochrome is just the Provia profile but monochrome, whereas Acros has its own voodoo magic with how certain colors are rendered
It works especially great with the "filters"
thanks, do recommend a reasonable body if you will, outside the X-T, X-n, X-H line please
Nikon and fuji look great🔥
Glad you made this. I used a Leica Monochrom for a little while, and I couldn’t ever justify the cost of the camera and lens when I could get very similar results from my Fuji and Panasonic. This video solidifies what I was seeing.
To me the real USP to the Fuji B+W profiles is the color filters. I use these with analog cameras as well and the convenience of virtually putting on a filter, even in different intensity is unreal 😅
That was fun and interesting. Looks like you had fun making it.
Very, very helpful. Thanks!
I’m so happy you are able to continue your reviews. They are always great. I’m fortunate to own an M11 Monochrom and I shoot Raw on it and with all of my other cameras. On my “color “ cameras I frequently shoot raw and monochrome jpeg. Shooting monochrome jpeg gives me an idea on what a raw converted to monochrome would look like.
I usually shoot raw+ with a tweaked monochrome jpeg on older 16MP Olympus cameras. I seldom have to go to the raw (unless I decide colour works better) and usually have enough leeway to get what I want with minor adjustments in post. I tried this with a Sony a6000 but found the contrast was too high and I had to resort to the raw files. Great video, lots of “drawma!”
please share your mono settings, thanks, my default is:
contrast +2
sharpness -2
yellow or red filter
and I'm pushing the high/shadow curve to taste, the E-M10 II LCD seems good enough to assess the levels
Thank you for the video. Really nice topic. Wondering though how using RAW on camera bodies like the Sony A7RV or Canon R5 change your results or using profile packages from Colbalt Image or others change your results. What B+W film simulation do you like best? Maybe a follow on video that compares these like one emulating Kodak Tri-X or others compare? Take care.
I'm with you Chris, the Nikon looks beautiful!
Excellent work
The lumix looks great!
Excellent subject matter and video! Well Done. Acros is my fav BW profile on my XT3, but I always considered it more contrasty than the Monochrome... You are actually saying the opposite. How do you explain the huge difference in detail in your low contrast scene? I thought it was a result of high contrast... Is it sharpening or just a slight change in focusing? Thank you in advance. 😁
very interesting video,must get back to my first love,black n white photography
Hope you guys do a ‘color profiles’ version of this!
Missing the Olympus PEN-F (ok, discontinued, maybe the EP-7). I liked X-T5, Pentax and very positively surprised by Nikon's result
Hey I really enjoyed this style of video, and learned some stuff about some camera systems I will never ever shoot. Acros plus red forever, until I can afford a Leica.
I like the high contrast of Leica, Nikon, and shockingly Sony
Fuji and Canon did admirable, as expected
This is a video of firsts for me. The first video where I want to know more about the sponsor, and although I have never shot in monochrome, the Nikon Z8 looked so great that I will be trying it on my Nikons tomorrow!
I found it hilarious that you chose the RX-100 for the test shiots because I use that camera in monochrome mode for my everyday carry. It gives me really punchy monochrome images that I rarely have to edit, and it would stack up really well here.
Great idea, cool question.
Great video, thanks for making it. I think all but olympus and pentax did good for a great popping bw image
The acros portrait is nice
Great video! Of course many cameras have the ability to tweak their profiles, Panasonic with overall contrast and dynamic range, as well as highlight and shadow adjustments. This makes it easy to, say mimick the Nikon I believe. And I'm sure the other makers also allow for tweaks. And going to the Panny G9M2 and S5M2 you just make a cool look in Photoshop or Affinity, and export it as a LUT and it can bake that look into your jpegs in camera. That ability really make those two cameras into camelions - as every aspect of a look can be adjusted. But great video! Hope you follow up on the theme - there's so much more to B&W shooting! Like colour filtering, etc.
Great idea! Would like to see more videos like this one to mix it up a little bit with all the reviews :=)
GREAT great great video. This answered a lot of question I had on other camera brands that I would never be able to answer.
Ooh a subject I've been experimenting with lately. I like a good in-camera colour/monochrome profile, if only for a good idea of what the final image could look like (and a better embedded JPEG preview in the RAW). I find the L.Monochrome profile on the Panasonic S5IIX sorta lines up to my experience of Ilford HP5+, which is nice; though I would like them to port the new Leica profile from the G9II. The default monochrome profile on the Nikon Z9 is a bit more situation-specific in my experience due to the contrast, but it's great in certain shots - hoping they bring the new profiles from the Zf over to it in a future firmware update 🤔
have you ever explored the color filter simulations on the Fujifilm black and white modes?
Ricoh GRIII Hi Contrast BnW is missing 😢
Yeah….. those piccies don’t hold a candle to Ricoh.
maybe the b&w algorithm is the same as pentax in Ricohs
Haven't read each of the 300 + comments, but would back the superb mono jpgs from my x 2 OMD any day.
These cameras are true classics.
Sony B&W is underrated. B&W images from my A7Cii are often excellent SOOC.
Interesting. Would love to see a Round 2 where you made some changes to the profile (like Sony raising the shadows) to see when dialed in, how they'd fair. Thanks for making and sharing!
Great video!
Nikon Z8/Z9 and the Leica are tops. Great looking. Thanks for the comparisons.
Although it's an old-fashioned camera that people don't use these days, Fujifilm s3pro's monochrome mode remains a very good memory
Great video and comparison. Interesting. I shoot Olympus and have tweeked the Mono profile to add more punch. I also shoot Nikon FM2 with Ilford HP5 and hat works very well!! 😀
Olympus Pen F Monochrome Profile 2. just turn the creative color mode dial, it's addictive.