I do enjoy your presentation style with aids of graphs & charts. Pretty clear & neat. Not many other clips comparing these two on RUclips, certainly not many other with such quality. I'll probably go for the Cooler Master model for its RGB which will play a crucial part in the entire aesthetics of the system.
Thank you very much. I'm glad you found it so useful, and it's good to know what encourages a decision between the two. They're both very good for their size, and I'm sure the added RGB factor has encouraged many more to pickup the G200P (outside of the Noctua faithful). Anyway, thanks for the feedback, and thanks for checking out the channel :)
I would have never found you if I didn't consider buying the g200P. Very glad I am considering it because your videos give me timestamps to exactly what I want to see!
I found the G200P to be very loose when fitting to the ASUS PRIME A320I-K/CSM. I also had to saw off the Intel part of the backplate as it wouldn't fit flush against the back of the motherboard. I also saw in your video that there's a lot of movement. I also found this and had to put some a little bit of padding between the mobo and backplate so its tight. Did you have any problems like this? Cheers. @AV Techy
Any chance this fans LEDs can be plugged right into the MoBo 12v header and controlled via the MoBo software or a cooler master software? have an Inwin B1 case so it has no molex to be able to use the controller in the included PSU nor the room for the extra cables anyway. Thanks for the vid mate!
Lookin' to get a microATX cube PC for my first ever PC build and I only got 130mm worth of clearance. Would you recommend the G200P over the Ryzen 3600's stock cooler?
I'm kind of looking forward to your hair getting longer and longer as lock down continues. Seriously, I had a bad experience with the Masterair G100M cooler (noisy and ineffective) so I'm not keen to go back to Cooler Master anytime soon. I'm not a huge fan of RGB, quietness is much more important. The Noctua small coolers are hard to beat. Noctua and Be Quiet! are really good for medium size coolers. I don't really do enormous coolers. On a different matter, why is it that the AMD Wraith Stealth ships with the AMD logo orientated so that it's always sideways in most installations? You can take it apart and rotate it 90 degrees but no Tech Tube builder ever seems to to do that. Great review, thanks, Leigh.
In your experience what's the best buy for a Ryzen 5 3600 (won't be overclocking) - looking for top performance and something really quiet. Black heatsinks/fans is a bonus. Fuma 2 or maybe the Dark Rock 4 or Noctua nh-u12S chromax black or the mugen 5 rev b? Any recommendations?
Hi from Oz! About your review from my perspctive. Video quality: Crisp but not overly so. Good on the eyes. A new camera? If I was into vblogs I would consider the cost to go to a better camera than the one I'm using and ask myself, is my income from RUclips sufficient to warrant the jump in cost for a "better" camera. Audio quality is spot-on imo. I listen with earbuds so it is right into my ears. Content of video was good but if we are comparing a Noctua and a Cooler Master, might have been better to keep the results to just those two units. I felt there was too much information on the results screen which lessened the impact somewhat. So just the Noctua and just the Cooler Master as they are the apples with apples we are looking at. Just my opinion of course. Speak slower; it isn't a race. Emphasise the bits you feel are important so I know they are. You're my SME so I'm counting on that. So if the Noctua is better, stress the differences. It's not about being everybody's nice guy. You put a lot of work into fair and balanced results. I can see that and I believe people want that. Good luck!
It's the Canon 80D. It's funny you say that since I've been wanting to upgrade the camera for a while, and have been looking into it more recently. But I'm tweaking the settings a little more to get more out of it for future videos. At least you've confirmed it's doing well for the time being :)
@@AVTechy Well, I've definitely seen better, but yours looks good. I have a friend interested in a cheap camera, that is why I asked. I was expecting a lower price point to be honest. Seen some cameras around £1000 that look a lot better than Canon 80D. Maybe is showing its age.
Yeah the 80D was good when it was bought about 3 years ago. But now, have your friend check out the X-T200. It's an excellent all rounder with 4K 30fps recording and a fully articulating screen. It has a 15 min cap on the record time, but if you can work around that then it's got everything you need to get started.
ive got a cooler master a71c air argb cooler ...just fits on a itx mobo in the new lian li q58 itx case....lotta ppl run a aio but i wanna air cool...not a big chip covereage area on the bottom but should do fine on my r7 2700...65watt chip ..got a 2fan gigabyte 2060 for it and a 600w corsair sfx..16 gigs corsair rgb ram...3000mhz...used 4 zipties n got a 4tb drive floating above the top fans...gonna try top 2 intake and bottom exhaust...im hoping it will run good n that my temps will be ok that way....got a 500 ssd in the front and a 500 gig laptop drive behind the mobo too :}.....asrock b450 gaming itx mobo i had to send back to newegg though...kept rebooting with no graphics...troubleshooted with different ram...in a diff case with a different power supply...tried graphics card in a the graphics card slot..without a rizer cable in the q58 and still no picture and kept rebooting...i reseated the chip a couple times too nand no luck...so i get a new mobo and outta be a sweet build :}
So you're saying that you only have to connect 1 of the molex connectors to the power supply even though there's 2 molex connectors attached to the controller? I did this and the lights don't turn on. I made sure the polarities were correct as you mentioned. I tested the actual fan lights manually and they do work, but not when I use the RGB controller setup.
Not sure where the comment on polarities came from. Its a pass through power cable, on side connects to the PSU, and the other side can connect to another device to pass power through it it. You'll need a controller connected to the 3pin led connector, and that's it.
@@AVTechy Oh my fault on the polarities, I must have seen it on another video of this cooler. Basically matching the arrows at 8:09 I see, so the 2nd connector is an optional pass through. Then that pretty much clears it up, my controller doesn't work. Thanks for the help.
Well one is the backplate to the socket, and the other us the backplate for the cooler. Different backplates for different purposes. AM4 socket board have cooler backplates built into the board's so using them is an option, not the same situation for LGA boards.
Are we talking 1mm loose, or 5mm loose? If it''s 1mm or so it's part of the design so it doesn't clamp down on the board and cause damage, in reality it's only there to be a platform to pull the cooler into the board. If it's 5mm loose then there's a much bigger problem and potentially RMA territory (without knowing more details), but first thing's first it's always worth a remount to check all the right parts are in use.
To anything with an RGB header. That can be the motherboard, or any RGB controller. Just make sure it's an RGB (4pins) header and not an ARGB (3pins) header.
Cheers. Well it'll cool anything, just under how much load is the question. I think it'll be enough for the 3700X for anything up to short full load renders. If you're planning to do 10+ min renders with heavy CPU load I'd try to get something bigger.
A bit unnecessarily long-winded review, but interesting nonetheless. On the subject of the black chroma noctua. You can make a price/performance comparison without testing it. Why? Because you have already tested the brown version of the same product. It being black has no effect on the performance. The color of a body only affects how much energy it absorbes from external em-radiation. Our object being a CPU-cooler inside of a house inside of a case, this radiation really is negligible for any situation. It goes logically that if you pump 100W of power into an object, it will start to emit the same amount of power, because of thermodynamics. If we assume "perfect paint" and unchanged system, black, white or blank does not matter. The cooler's surface area, thermal mass and convection rate is the same for all cases.
Very interesting, I assumed there would be some sort of reduction dissipating the heat through the extra material. The more you know, thanks for the info :)
@@AVTechy theoretically, yes, there should be a difference. However, the impact of the paint is such a small alteration to the thermal mass and surface area that you wouldn't be able to see any difference without very specialized tools. So now anyone can paint that one stand-out radiator in that one room any color that they want without having to think about it (more than that the paint should be able to withstand the heat) :)
@@AVTechy yeah sorry I will admit I commented halfway through while you seemed to be coming to some conclusions before the results. I did think the graphs weren't the clearest though. Overall good job 👍
Samuel 17 is bad when its fan rotates 400-1000rpm slower to Noctua and CM speed and that is a fair comparison??? Makes me speechless. Put a maximum 800rpm fan to Samuel and then conclude its useless.
@@AVTechy You rambled way too much. 3 different aspects blablabla, but you never got to the point. I love when your videos are detailed and I do not mind watching hour long case reviews from you, but in this 20 minute video not even your weird graph metrics made any sense.
Well I did get to several points, but some people will be new to this and might not realise there's more to a cooler than thermal performance, hence why people make bad comparisons in comments sections, so I was putting some emphasis on what needs considering. The graphs do make sense if you take a minute to look at them, good job I walked through them all to explain them I guess... I think saying they don't make sense is disingenuous, when they make sense but are a little complicated. I mean there's a Stock Max test at full fan speed, an Acoustically normalised test, and two different benchmarks. There's a fair amount of data there to give full context to any claims I have so I don't have people say I'm not making sense, but I guess you can't please all the people all of the time. Well I thought I was on the right track with this one, maybe it's time to go back to the drawing board.
@@AVTechy It would be disingenuous to say they don't make sense for everyone, but I never speak for a group of imaginary peers, only for myself, so when I make a statement, it's implied that it's only true for me. There's going into excruciating detail, and then there's beating around the bush. You were doing the latter here. Anyway, regardless of what you did or didn't, this cooler is worse. I always go for the more silent option, not the one that's like four degrees cooler, because that doesn't mean a damn thing as long as both of them are below thermal throttling limits. If both coolers fail and throttle, it just means that the testing environment is unsuitable for them, they aren't meant to be used with that processor. Too many people confuse stress testing with benchmarking. They're not the same thing. Torturing the hell out of your car engine on a test bench will yield absolutely no data of any relevance for when you use that car on a road with traffic laws and speed limits. And taking a Prius to a track to see how miserably it fails compared to all the Nissans doesn't make any sense either. Let's just cut the crap and get straight to the point what this cooler will amount to in real life, compared to another one.
You left it so open to interpretation the sentence itself didn't make a lot of sense. How do they not make sense? If you listen and focus you'll soon realise that some coolers are noisier than others, some are cooler than others, some are taller than others, and not all were able to complete their runs in certain benchmarks. When you focus it makes sense, but if you take a 2 second look and can't figure out what's going on despite a details explanation in the background then I don't know how to help you to understand them. This information is correct, the graphs hold a lot of data, the data makes sense, so it's just a case of understanding what you're looking at. Beating around the bush... now you're really clutching at straws. I explained several ways to work out which is best for certain use cases, and made several suggestions. It's not beating around the bush, but explaining the world isn't black and white, but many shades in between. Sometimes there is no straight answer, and one question should be broken down into a brief. I actually explained the whole 2 degree difference situation in the conclusion, now you're just saying stuff for some reason... If high thermals cause a system to crash it just means the processor got too hot fr the cooling solution. If by environment you're also talking about the ambient temperature, then sure you could lower that down to 10 Celsius to give them more of a chance, but comparatively they'd still perform they way they did relative to the other coolers (they're all under the same load, so it's all comparable). Like you say, the crashing is just a case of the coolers inability to deal with the load, and that's a useful metric to understand so people can work out what rough loads the failing coolers are capable of. Stress tests are a form of a benchmark, it's just a high load benchmark (benchmark being a standard point of reference for comparison). I clarified this by saying the Prime95 test is a 100% load test. You can lower the load from a "stress test" kind of level like the Fire Strike benchmark to understand lower load performance. The Fire Strike benchmark isn't a torture test, it's a high load benchmark, and as mentioned it had an average load of just over 80% on the CPU, similar to that of a high CPU load game (in many cases). The benchmarks you see from anywhere are examples of certain loads on a system, and a comparable reference point. It's just something that's repeatable for the sake of comparison, and all you can really do with certainty when looking at a load of coolers from a benchmark (of any kind, Prime95, Fire Strike, Tomb Raider) is understand the relative performance, not the absolute performance, because that depends on all the specifics of a setup and the load. If you take your car based analogy and apply it to the testing you see on this channel, you'll understand that the Fire Strike test is the more realistic higher load gaming scenario, and Prime95 is the push to see where the limits are, or just expose more weaknesses/differences. I'm sure with a car you want to know what's realistic, and what the limits are, and how they compare to everything else. Unfortunately this isn't a black and white situation, cutting the crap doesn't make the cut (it's too simplistic). Hence the several criteria I mentioned and broke down in the conclusion. There are many levels for all viewers to consider, you clearly made your mind up, but this video isn't just for you, many other people might not realise what they want until they really think about it, and might even consider what compromises they'd be making with one or the other. All the information is there, and I'm sure many people might find it useful to look at. But for those that aren't into that, the conclusion is right at the end, and I break it all down for you. If you're not into more lengthy explanations of certain aspects of coolers and cases, then perhaps this channel isn't for you, and maybe you should consider unsubscribing or just not watching more of my videos. I don't think you'll get a lot out of them, and they might just be causing more angst than benefit to you. Thanks for checking out the channel, and all the best.
Time Stamps:
OVERVIEW
01:26 - Start
02:01 - G200P and NH-L9i comparison
02:10 - Cooler Body
02:37 - Base Plate
03:05 - Fin Stack
04:06 - Fans
04:40 - G200P's RGB LED Fan
05:25 - Included Parts
INSTALLATION
05:34 - Back Plate
05:48 - Arms
06:47 - Cooler (First install Thermal Paste test)
07:15 - Thermal Paste spread
07:41 - Fan
07:50 - RGB Setup and Controller
THERMAL AND ACOUSTIC TEST RESULTS
08:44 - Introduction
09:18 - Acoustic Prime95 + FurMark
10:14 - Stock Max Prime95 + FurMark
11:01 - Acoustic 3D Mark Fire Strike Combined Loop
11:54 - Stock Max 3D Mark Fire Strike Combined Loop
CONCLUSION
12:33 - Start
13:25 - Cost and Price/Performance comparison
13:25 - Introduction
15:23 - Price/Performance analysis
16:37 - Other notable points (G200P vs NH-L9i)
17:19 - G200P Mounting flaws
19:08 - End of video wrap-up
1 word about the video : Professional
Really good review. Very structured and well written.
This a great comparison video, it answered all my questions! Thank you so much for posting this!
I do enjoy your presentation style with aids of graphs & charts. Pretty clear & neat. Not many other clips comparing these two on RUclips, certainly not many other with such quality. I'll probably go for the Cooler Master model for its RGB which will play a crucial part in the entire aesthetics of the system.
Thank you very much. I'm glad you found it so useful, and it's good to know what encourages a decision between the two. They're both very good for their size, and I'm sure the added RGB factor has encouraged many more to pickup the G200P (outside of the Noctua faithful).
Anyway, thanks for the feedback, and thanks for checking out the channel :)
I would have never found you if I didn't consider buying the g200P. Very glad I am considering it because your videos give me timestamps to exactly what I want to see!
Love you videos bro. Very comprehensive. Thank you.
Incredible amount of detail. Amazing review!
Great video - thanks for putting this together! I opted for this to work inside my NR200P setup.
Wow, I have never seen this in depth review of a cooler. To the point of measuring the fins and for a total volume of coverage.
This guy made a review and it scared all the other reviewers off from making a video on this.
Nice unaware of this cooler. But do wish there was more options in the ultra low space. Noctua black edition still king atm.
This video is exactly what I needed! Thanks.
No problem, thanks for checking it out.
Great review. Thanks for including the L9x65.
this review is amazing and very detail
I found the G200P to be very loose when fitting to the ASUS PRIME A320I-K/CSM. I also had to saw off the Intel part of the backplate as it wouldn't fit flush against the back of the motherboard. I also saw in your video that there's a lot of movement. I also found this and had to put some a little bit of padding between the mobo and backplate so its tight. Did you have any problems like this? Cheers. @AV Techy
This is a GOOD review.
Thanks for this video, helped me make up my mind on a CPU cooler.
Review LVL GOD, I needed this video, muchas gracias.
Any chance this fans LEDs can be plugged right into the MoBo 12v header and controlled via the MoBo software or a cooler master software? have an Inwin B1 case so it has no molex to be able to use the controller in the included PSU nor the room for the extra cables anyway. Thanks for the vid mate!
Lookin' to get a microATX cube PC for my first ever PC build and I only got 130mm worth of clearance. Would you recommend the G200P over the Ryzen 3600's stock cooler?
My man submitted a thesis on RUclips.
I'm kind of looking forward to your hair getting longer and longer as lock down continues.
Seriously, I had a bad experience with the Masterair G100M cooler (noisy and ineffective) so I'm not keen to go back to Cooler Master anytime soon. I'm not a huge fan of RGB, quietness is much more important.
The Noctua small coolers are hard to beat. Noctua and Be Quiet! are really good for medium size coolers. I don't really do enormous coolers.
On a different matter, why is it that the AMD Wraith Stealth ships with the AMD logo orientated so that it's always sideways in most installations? You can take it apart and rotate it 90 degrees but no Tech Tube builder ever seems to to do that.
Great review, thanks, Leigh.
In your experience what's the best buy for a Ryzen 5 3600 (won't be overclocking) - looking for top performance and something really quiet. Black heatsinks/fans is a bonus. Fuma 2 or maybe the Dark Rock 4 or Noctua nh-u12S chromax black or the mugen 5 rev b? Any recommendations?
Hi from Oz! About your review from my perspctive.
Video quality: Crisp but not overly so. Good on the eyes. A new camera? If I was into vblogs I would consider the cost to go to a better camera than the one I'm using and ask myself, is my income from RUclips sufficient to warrant the jump in cost for a "better" camera.
Audio quality is spot-on imo. I listen with earbuds so it is right into my ears.
Content of video was good but if we are comparing a Noctua and a Cooler Master, might have been better to keep the results to just those two units. I felt there was too much information on the results screen which lessened the impact somewhat. So just the Noctua and just the Cooler Master as they are the apples with apples we are looking at. Just my opinion of course.
Speak slower; it isn't a race. Emphasise the bits you feel are important so I know they are. You're my SME so I'm counting on that. So if the Noctua is better, stress the differences. It's not about being everybody's nice guy.
You put a lot of work into fair and balanced results. I can see that and I believe people want that.
Good luck!
very professional. subscribed.
Thanks very much, really appreciate the support!
Will it cool Ryzen 5 3600 better than the stock cooler? Also, can I controll the RGB via CM software or only from the controller?
Are you planing on doing a review of the Scythe Fuma 2?
Just out of curiosity, what camera do you use for these videos? Footage looks crystal clear.
It's the Canon 80D. It's funny you say that since I've been wanting to upgrade the camera for a while, and have been looking into it more recently. But I'm tweaking the settings a little more to get more out of it for future videos. At least you've confirmed it's doing well for the time being :)
@@AVTechy Well, I've definitely seen better, but yours looks good. I have a friend interested in a cheap camera, that is why I asked.
I was expecting a lower price point to be honest. Seen some cameras around £1000 that look a lot better than Canon 80D. Maybe is showing its age.
Yeah the 80D was good when it was bought about 3 years ago.
But now, have your friend check out the X-T200. It's an excellent all rounder with 4K 30fps recording and a fully articulating screen. It has a 15 min cap on the record time, but if you can work around that then it's got everything you need to get started.
this is such an underrated channel
LinusTechTips is good but they only ever review expensive components
Wow, nice video!
I was thinking about getting this for the Asrock Deskmini but now with all the cables for the RGB it's out of the question.
ive got a cooler master a71c air argb cooler ...just fits on a itx mobo in the new lian li q58 itx case....lotta ppl run a aio but i wanna air cool...not a big chip covereage area on the bottom but should do fine on my r7 2700...65watt chip ..got a 2fan gigabyte 2060 for it and a 600w corsair sfx..16 gigs corsair rgb ram...3000mhz...used 4 zipties n got a 4tb drive floating above the top fans...gonna try top 2 intake and bottom exhaust...im hoping it will run good n that my temps will be ok that way....got a 500 ssd in the front and a 500 gig laptop drive behind the mobo too :}.....asrock b450 gaming itx mobo i had to send back to newegg though...kept rebooting with no graphics...troubleshooted with different ram...in a diff case with a different power supply...tried graphics card in a the graphics card slot..without a rizer cable in the q58 and still no picture and kept rebooting...i reseated the chip a couple times too nand no luck...so i get a new mobo and outta be a sweet build :}
Nice video!
What do you think about ATC800? Is enough to 9900k?
Yes, that cooler is enough for a 9900k.
@@sidewinder86ify do you have one?
Would you recommend getting the L9a (same cooler for amd) and getting an rgb fan if im looking for a low profile cpu cooler? Or just get the g200p?
All in the conclusion.
So you're saying that you only have to connect 1 of the molex connectors to the power supply even though there's 2 molex connectors attached to the controller?
I did this and the lights don't turn on. I made sure the polarities were correct as you mentioned.
I tested the actual fan lights manually and they do work, but not when I use the RGB controller setup.
Molex for power, controller for signal. That about all there is to it.
Not sure where the comment on polarities came from. Its a pass through power cable, on side connects to the PSU, and the other side can connect to another device to pass power through it it.
You'll need a controller connected to the 3pin led connector, and that's it.
@@AVTechy Oh my fault on the polarities, I must have seen it on another video of this cooler. Basically matching the arrows at 8:09
I see, so the 2nd connector is an optional pass through. Then that pretty much clears it up, my controller doesn't work. Thanks for the help.
Really good video
Not to be mean but could you change the graphs layout not really easy to understand/read thanks
Can you do a review about the cheap IS-30 from AliExpress, its a low profile CPU Cooler...maybe worth checking out for budget builds🙏🏻
Excellent Review !!!
*WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO TEST THE AXP-90 COOLER?!*
I'd probably take the cooler heat sink and put the black l9 fan on it if i was to use it.
My question, is why even use the backplate that came with the cooler, if there's already a backplate on the motherboard?
Well one is the backplate to the socket, and the other us the backplate for the cooler. Different backplates for different purposes.
AM4 socket board have cooler backplates built into the board's so using them is an option, not the same situation for LGA boards.
Is white led colour available?
Will this type of cooler maintain a good temp on i7 10700?
@射進肚臍 okay thanks i got the deepcool as500 plus btw
much better than 16€ SNOWMAN (a really good chinese low-profile cpu cooler)?
Do you recommend it for a ryzen 5 of 3400g?
Can you review the game max f15 m ? It was 60 pound
I just purchased a g200p and the backplate is loose. Any tips?
Are we talking 1mm loose, or 5mm loose? If it''s 1mm or so it's part of the design so it doesn't clamp down on the board and cause damage, in reality it's only there to be a platform to pull the cooler into the board. If it's 5mm loose then there's a much bigger problem and potentially RMA territory (without knowing more details), but first thing's first it's always worth a remount to check all the right parts are in use.
AV Techy im not too good with measurements, but all i can say is that the fan is easily movable
Can the RGB be connected to a header on the mobo or strictly the controller?
To anything with an RGB header. That can be the motherboard, or any RGB controller. Just make sure it's an RGB (4pins) header and not an ARGB (3pins) header.
Is there any way to get just the fan?
Great video! You reckon it could cool a r7 3700x?
Cheers. Well it'll cool anything, just under how much load is the question. I think it'll be enough for the 3700X for anything up to short full load renders. If you're planning to do 10+ min renders with heavy CPU load I'd try to get something bigger.
It couldnt cool 3600x, the fan all the time at highest speed, i have forced to disable core boost to maintain decent tempreture
I'm looking at g200 for sff. I want rgb. Can it be controled by motherboard?
As long as the board has the correct RGB connector then yes. Some have 5v 3pin Addressable RGB connectors and some have 12v 4pin RGB connectors.
Would this be suitable for an i5 9400f
What uni do u go to?
A bit unnecessarily long-winded review, but interesting nonetheless.
On the subject of the black chroma noctua. You can make a price/performance comparison without testing it. Why? Because you have already tested the brown version of the same product. It being black has no effect on the performance.
The color of a body only affects how much energy it absorbes from external em-radiation. Our object being a CPU-cooler inside of a house inside of a case, this radiation really is negligible for any situation.
It goes logically that if you pump 100W of power into an object, it will start to emit the same amount of power, because of thermodynamics.
If we assume "perfect paint" and unchanged system, black, white or blank does not matter. The cooler's surface area, thermal mass and convection rate is the same for all cases.
Very interesting, I assumed there would be some sort of reduction dissipating the heat through the extra material. The more you know, thanks for the info :)
@@AVTechy theoretically, yes, there should be a difference. However, the impact of the paint is such a small alteration to the thermal mass and surface area that you wouldn't be able to see any difference without very specialized tools.
So now anyone can paint that one stand-out radiator in that one room any color that they want without having to think about it (more than that the paint should be able to withstand the heat) :)
*15:26** key point*
then only thing that matters is volume/noise normalised result.
It's a good job there's a few in there then.
@@AVTechy yeah sorry I will admit I commented halfway through while you seemed to be coming to some conclusions before the results. I did think the graphs weren't the clearest though.
Overall good job 👍
Are you somehow related to Karl Urban? like a lost little brother!?
All these diagrams and really bothering facts made this video feel like a two-hour documentary.
Eh, you get what you pay for I guess.
Samuel 17 is bad when its fan rotates 400-1000rpm slower to Noctua and CM speed and that is a fair comparison??? Makes me speechless. Put a maximum 800rpm fan to Samuel and then conclude its useless.
Noise normalised testing... figure out that and then get back to me.
Also pretty sure I did full fan speed testing too.
The maaterair 100 looks a lot better
Betteridge's law strikes again I guess...
Did you watch the conclusion?...
@@AVTechy You rambled way too much. 3 different aspects blablabla, but you never got to the point. I love when your videos are detailed and I do not mind watching hour long case reviews from you, but in this 20 minute video not even your weird graph metrics made any sense.
Well I did get to several points, but some people will be new to this and might not realise there's more to a cooler than thermal performance, hence why people make bad comparisons in comments sections, so I was putting some emphasis on what needs considering.
The graphs do make sense if you take a minute to look at them, good job I walked through them all to explain them I guess... I think saying they don't make sense is disingenuous, when they make sense but are a little complicated. I mean there's a Stock Max test at full fan speed, an Acoustically normalised test, and two different benchmarks. There's a fair amount of data there to give full context to any claims I have so I don't have people say I'm not making sense, but I guess you can't please all the people all of the time.
Well I thought I was on the right track with this one, maybe it's time to go back to the drawing board.
@@AVTechy It would be disingenuous to say they don't make sense for everyone, but I never speak for a group of imaginary peers, only for myself, so when I make a statement, it's implied that it's only true for me.
There's going into excruciating detail, and then there's beating around the bush. You were doing the latter here. Anyway, regardless of what you did or didn't, this cooler is worse. I always go for the more silent option, not the one that's like four degrees cooler, because that doesn't mean a damn thing as long as both of them are below thermal throttling limits. If both coolers fail and throttle, it just means that the testing environment is unsuitable for them, they aren't meant to be used with that processor. Too many people confuse stress testing with benchmarking. They're not the same thing. Torturing the hell out of your car engine on a test bench will yield absolutely no data of any relevance for when you use that car on a road with traffic laws and speed limits. And taking a Prius to a track to see how miserably it fails compared to all the Nissans doesn't make any sense either. Let's just cut the crap and get straight to the point what this cooler will amount to in real life, compared to another one.
You left it so open to interpretation the sentence itself didn't make a lot of sense. How do they not make sense? If you listen and focus you'll soon realise that some coolers are noisier than others, some are cooler than others, some are taller than others, and not all were able to complete their runs in certain benchmarks. When you focus it makes sense, but if you take a 2 second look and can't figure out what's going on despite a details explanation in the background then I don't know how to help you to understand them. This information is correct, the graphs hold a lot of data, the data makes sense, so it's just a case of understanding what you're looking at.
Beating around the bush... now you're really clutching at straws. I explained several ways to work out which is best for certain use cases, and made several suggestions. It's not beating around the bush, but explaining the world isn't black and white, but many shades in between. Sometimes there is no straight answer, and one question should be broken down into a brief.
I actually explained the whole 2 degree difference situation in the conclusion, now you're just saying stuff for some reason...
If high thermals cause a system to crash it just means the processor got too hot fr the cooling solution. If by environment you're also talking about the ambient temperature, then sure you could lower that down to 10 Celsius to give them more of a chance, but comparatively they'd still perform they way they did relative to the other coolers (they're all under the same load, so it's all comparable). Like you say, the crashing is just a case of the coolers inability to deal with the load, and that's a useful metric to understand so people can work out what rough loads the failing coolers are capable of.
Stress tests are a form of a benchmark, it's just a high load benchmark (benchmark being a standard point of reference for comparison). I clarified this by saying the Prime95 test is a 100% load test. You can lower the load from a "stress test" kind of level like the Fire Strike benchmark to understand lower load performance. The Fire Strike benchmark isn't a torture test, it's a high load benchmark, and as mentioned it had an average load of just over 80% on the CPU, similar to that of a high CPU load game (in many cases). The benchmarks you see from anywhere are examples of certain loads on a system, and a comparable reference point. It's just something that's repeatable for the sake of comparison, and all you can really do with certainty when looking at a load of coolers from a benchmark (of any kind, Prime95, Fire Strike, Tomb Raider) is understand the relative performance, not the absolute performance, because that depends on all the specifics of a setup and the load.
If you take your car based analogy and apply it to the testing you see on this channel, you'll understand that the Fire Strike test is the more realistic higher load gaming scenario, and Prime95 is the push to see where the limits are, or just expose more weaknesses/differences. I'm sure with a car you want to know what's realistic, and what the limits are, and how they compare to everything else.
Unfortunately this isn't a black and white situation, cutting the crap doesn't make the cut (it's too simplistic). Hence the several criteria I mentioned and broke down in the conclusion. There are many levels for all viewers to consider, you clearly made your mind up, but this video isn't just for you, many other people might not realise what they want until they really think about it, and might even consider what compromises they'd be making with one or the other. All the information is there, and I'm sure many people might find it useful to look at. But for those that aren't into that, the conclusion is right at the end, and I break it all down for you.
If you're not into more lengthy explanations of certain aspects of coolers and cases, then perhaps this channel isn't for you, and maybe you should consider unsubscribing or just not watching more of my videos. I don't think you'll get a lot out of them, and they might just be causing more angst than benefit to you. Thanks for checking out the channel, and all the best.