Not really ; amd's already caught up Aaand has absolutely shot past intel in terms of performance (only multi-core though) and is still going strong .Intel probably won't be able to catch up anytime soon
@@dhananfdo3948 Well I was just thinking about the market share, like most if not all mainstream computers are still using intel's but yea for price per performance amd is killing it hard
I'm sorry you went through all the trouble of creating this video when the bottom line is only that there is a four degree difference. It really sucks that youtube works in such a way that forces content creators to focus on quantity of videos. I really hope you get what's coming to you, because it's clear you put a lot of work into your content, even when it's something as small as this.
Thanks for the video, just ordered a mini ITX gaming build and this was pretty much the only cooler that would fit into the CM Elite 110 while proving sufficient and quiet cooling for Ryzen series of desktop processors.
how much better are temps with the 120mm slim fan? also could you possibly tell us what you did to mount that 120mm slim fan? thanks and great video as always!
How long did you run Prime 95 for ? I installed AMD version yesterday and after half hour of running Prime 95 3400g APU was getting up to 95c. It is much higher temp so I am wondering if this is due to different AMD processors or because you were running test in open case or because I did something wrong with installation
Using a bigger fan does bring to mind a question I had heard a few different opinions on. Does using a bigger fan on a low-profile, top-down style cooler help or hurt performance? The reasoning behind "help" is that a bigger fan *should* be able to push more air. The reasoning behind "hurt" is that the bigger fan is not optimized to send air in the right-shaped "funnel". So, using a 120mm fan on a 92mm heatsink for instance would see the air passing more around the fins rather than through them than a 92mm fan would. I'd be interested to see data on this, as someone with an SFF PC build that can struggle with temps.
With these coolers it definitely helps. I'm seeing a pretty big drop in temps using the Noctua 120mm slim fan... but you are right, with some heat sinks it won't help and could hurt cooling performance. You also get the added benefit of pushing air over other motherboard components. I'm seeing a reduction in the motherboard temperature as well.
I got some cheap fans from a friend, so I can give it a shot. I've got a Cryorig C7 on an i5-7600k (pre-Ryzen...) so I think my bigger problem will be figuring out how to jury-rig the mounting.
I really liked the idea of a 120 mm fan. From the video it looked like only one side of the fan was secured. Was the fan actually secured or did you run the test with the fan sitting free?
My original Noctua NH-L9i fan went broken after one year. It was under warranty so I asked if I could get same fan model but 25mm thick. (92 x 92 x 25 NF-A9 PWM) It has much bigger airflow and it is still very silent. I am using this "boosted" version in my Node 202.
I prefer this new thicker fan versus original 14mm thin. My motherboard is low end and I have set certain fan/temperature level from bios. This new combo is quieter because I can keep lower fan rpm and still get better airflow/pressure. CPU is i5 2400 3.1Ghz with passive gtx1050Ti GPU Wery silent setup overall.
Yes, the L9i is generally going to be the best low profile cooler. It does have AM4 support, but if you go AM4 just pick up the L9a. I did a comp video on the two. TLDR: the L9a is slightly bigger, and offers slightly better performance.
Tek Everything Thanks for the reply. How much better was it with the 120mm fan? I'll prob go with the A just thought about l9I so I could switch it if need be. I wish the blacked out editions were out already. Def going to get one when they do.
I was just seeing some low profile coolers for no reason..I found these and then I also found out that you can buy a 120mm fan adapter and change the fan.
Hi i need your opinion. I have a ryzen 2400g and my case is a Silverstone ml06b. Currently I am using the stock stealth cooler but the temp worries me. I have 2 80mm side fans, one as an intake and the other one as a exhaust. I'm planning to upgrade my cpu cooler to either noctua nhl9a or the slightly taller nhl9x65. What would be the best setup? Nhl9a setup with additional 120mm top fan as intake and both the 80mm as exhaust. Or the nhl9x65 with the current setup im using right now since i cant fit a 120 fan up top?
So I have both of these coolers and have tested them in various configurations. The NH-L9x65 is only slightly better than the NH-L9a. The NH-L12S is by far the best low profile cooler. It looks like your case can support that cooler So I would definitely recommend the L12S over both of the other options.
I got an l9i for my am4 node 202 build. I was getting thermal shutdowns while gaming which is obviously not good. The main problem was airflow, the small fan was not able to pull in air from the top of the case and force it out the side. I stuck a 140 mm fan over the motherboard and that made it perform quite well. Since then I have swityched to an id-cooling is-60 that barely fits in my case and am getting good results. I thought the l9i would be good enough for my stock 1600 cpu, but live and learn I guess.
with the id cooling is-60 are you still using the fan over the motherboard? also with that new cooling are you able to get an overclock at all? what are you're temps now?
IAmCjcj11 no extra fan. The Id cooling cooler, and the slim fan that comes with it just barely fits in the node 202. I haven't tried overclocking since I was frustrated with the cooler before hand not handling stock. I can run some stock vs overclock temp testing if you want.
that would be greatly appreciated. ive really been wanting the node 202 for a while now and im about to drop the cash on this pc, and now im having second thoughts on if i should go with that or the nano s for much better air flow and even water cooling possibility later down the line (definitely not on the ryzen 1600 but maybe for ryzen 2 down the line), but i really wanted it to be as tiny as possible and the nano s is a pretty chubby mini itx case lol
IAmCjcj11 k it might be a few days before I can do the tests. As a note. My cooler is just barely compatible with my motherboard, the gigabyte am4 itx board. It seems to have a bit more room between the socket and ram slots than other itx boards and my cooler's metal touches the side of the heat spreaders on my ram. I've definitely heard good things about the nano s, but I totally feel you on it being chubby. It would be a safe choice. If you want a compromise between the 2, you could go for the Node 304. You can fit a full tower air cooler in there with intake and exhaust case fans.
Considering the fin's mass or size (according to dimensions), the L9a is around 14% more, which hypothetically might give a 14% reduction in thermals compared to the L9i. If this was true the L9a under 100% load should temp at 65.4C. Why did Noctua make the AMD heatsink larger than the Intel?
I found a video earlier where a guy took the very thin fan from a Cryorig C7 and put it on the Wraith Spire heatsink in place of its own fat impeller fan. It managed to fit quite well inside a small for factor case with 1mm to spare and increased cooling dramatically. Interestingly the wraith spire is made by Cryorig and the fan screw holes fit perfectly.
Yea, I was thinking about doing that in my S4 mini... but it still would have been too tall. I have another Ryzen build in the pipeline, maybe I will test that out.
Damn just bought the l9i for my s4 mini build, I assumed it was just the mounting hardware that was different. Oh well. I need the ryzen bracket for it anyway, any idea where to get them in the UK?
An asking Noctua I have a version and looks if they send me i brackets will work on micro atx and atx boards but not on itx only because not enough clearance on motherboard parts but on larger form factors that is not the case
I noticed that the 2 different attachments (one is thinner ) for the screws for the holes in the mainboard changed in the video for both coolers And I just noticed that i have the wrong attachment for my Mainboard (i need the thinner one because i have AM3+). So my question: can i swap/change the attachment and where do i get it or do i need to change the cooler?
Tek Everything ok i just realised that i bought the wrong cooler for my PC. I need the NH-L9a. I hope i can swap them without any complications because the Box still looks like new. But your videos really helped and are well made, keep it up!
Shouldn't you use a constant fan speed? If you use a fan curve it will interfere with the measurements, as it may try to keep a constant fan speed rather than a constant amount of cooling... If you really want to use a fan curve you should measure the DB level of the fan or RPM of the fan for each test. Probably the other cooler is running at similar temps but the fan is running much slower/quieter
Alejandro Martinez You can get the standard height Noctua 92mm fan. The fan each of these comes with is 14mm thick, so the 25mm version will up the performance of either cooler by a good margin. That's assuming you have an extra 11mm of space.
You can update to a standard 25mm fan if you want yes, Both coolers come with longer screws for this purpose in the box. I don't know how much performance you would gain, the including fan is excellent.
HUH??? These are the same coolers... the I is for Intel and the a for AMD so the thermals will be that same given the same TDP. Don't get the comparison
"Intel has been dominating the cpu market"
What a difference 2 years can make :p
Pretty sure they still are but AMD definitely catching up
Not really ; amd's already caught up Aaand has absolutely shot past intel in terms of performance (only multi-core though) and is still going strong .Intel probably won't be able to catch up anytime soon
@@dhananfdo3948 Well I was just thinking about the market share, like most if not all mainstream computers are still using intel's but yea for price per performance amd is killing it hard
@@mrsem6670 what a difference another 8 months can make :D
@@RhaviMarquesvery big difference hahaha
I'm sorry you went through all the trouble of creating this video when the bottom line is only that there is a four degree difference. It really sucks that youtube works in such a way that forces content creators to focus on quantity of videos. I really hope you get what's coming to you, because it's clear you put a lot of work into your content, even when it's something as small as this.
4 degree difference actually is pretty big.
its helpful for me
His video is great, good data!
I had a choice of heatsinks and went and bought the Noctua NH-L9i based on this review. Good job, thanks.
Thanks for the video, just ordered a mini ITX gaming build and this was pretty much the only cooler that would fit into the CM Elite 110 while proving sufficient and quiet cooling for Ryzen series of desktop processors.
Was looking for a comparison and found this.... awesome review
Can't wait for the copper version. :)
That would be sick. I hope the release one at some point.
Cryorig is also launching cooper versions. The C7 is prettier :P
how much better are temps with the 120mm slim fan? also could you possibly tell us what you did to mount that 120mm slim fan? thanks and great video as always!
Will go for the C7 copper version, has a little more fin surface and just put a Noctua fan on top, already have a fitting bracket. x)
Great review, thank you.
How long did you run Prime 95 for ? I installed AMD version yesterday and after half hour of running Prime 95 3400g APU was getting up to 95c. It is much higher temp so I am wondering if this is due to different AMD processors or because you were running test in open case or because I did something wrong with installation
It depends if you are doing hard overclocking. Check the thermal paste, if it's not that, check your overclock settings and change them.
Nice review mate, will i able to use my noctua l9i on am4 motherboard as it is or do i need to buy some type of bracket? thanks mate +1 sub :)
How were you able to hold the 120mm fan on that small Radiator? Thanks
Great comparison, Dude! Do you think NH-L9a would be ok with a stock 1700x? And 1800x?
I think it may be able to handle the 1700x. I don't think it would be able to cool the 1800x.
Tek Everything got it, thank you very much !
Using a bigger fan does bring to mind a question I had heard a few different opinions on. Does using a bigger fan on a low-profile, top-down style cooler help or hurt performance? The reasoning behind "help" is that a bigger fan *should* be able to push more air. The reasoning behind "hurt" is that the bigger fan is not optimized to send air in the right-shaped "funnel". So, using a 120mm fan on a 92mm heatsink for instance would see the air passing more around the fins rather than through them than a 92mm fan would. I'd be interested to see data on this, as someone with an SFF PC build that can struggle with temps.
With these coolers it definitely helps. I'm seeing a pretty big drop in temps using the Noctua 120mm slim fan... but you are right, with some heat sinks it won't help and could hurt cooling performance.
You also get the added benefit of pushing air over other motherboard components. I'm seeing a reduction in the motherboard temperature as well.
I got some cheap fans from a friend, so I can give it a shot. I've got a Cryorig C7 on an i5-7600k (pre-Ryzen...) so I think my bigger problem will be figuring out how to jury-rig the mounting.
And i thought it just different mounting, never knew they design it different physically too
And how you mount your 120mm fan?
I really liked the idea of a 120 mm fan. From the video it looked like only one side of the fan was secured. Was the fan actually secured or did you run the test with the fan sitting free?
I was secured. the S4 mini has mounting points for a 120mm fan. The bracket only attached to one side though, that is what you are seeing.
could you close the dan case with that fan?
My original Noctua NH-L9i fan went broken after one year. It was under warranty so I asked if I could get same fan model but 25mm thick. (92 x 92 x 25 NF-A9 PWM) It has much bigger airflow and it is still very silent. I am using this "boosted" version in my Node 202.
Which setup was quieter?
I prefer this new thicker fan versus original 14mm thin. My motherboard is low end and I have set certain fan/temperature level from bios. This new combo is quieter because I can keep lower fan rpm and still get better airflow/pressure. CPU is i5 2400 3.1Ghz with passive gtx1050Ti GPU
Wery silent setup overall.
Hey do you think the L9 is the best cooler for the s4m? Also have you tried the zalmon cnps2x? If so does it have am4 support?
Yes, the L9i is generally going to be the best low profile cooler. It does have AM4 support, but if you go AM4 just pick up the L9a. I did a comp video on the two. TLDR: the L9a is slightly bigger, and offers slightly better performance.
Tek Everything Thanks for the reply. How much better was it with the 120mm fan? I'll prob go with the A just thought about l9I so I could switch it if need be. I wish the blacked out editions were out already. Def going to get one when they do.
sweet video man thx!
Hi! Nice Video as always ^^
Is there any possibility to change the fan?
Yes. Fan package includes screws for 25mm thick cooler.
I am using Noctua NF-A9 model. It has better overall specs.
I was just seeing some low profile coolers for no reason..I found these and then I also found out that you can buy a 120mm fan adapter and change the fan.
Great video - i really like your attention to detail...
Thanks wolf!
When you put the 120mm fan on the coolers, how much was the temperature difference? 5-6°C, or more?
Much more. I added that data to the article.
Hi i need your opinion. I have a ryzen 2400g and my case is a Silverstone ml06b. Currently I am using the stock stealth cooler but the temp worries me. I have 2 80mm side fans, one as an intake and the other one as a exhaust. I'm planning to upgrade my cpu cooler to either noctua nhl9a or the slightly taller nhl9x65. What would be the best setup? Nhl9a setup with additional 120mm top fan as intake and both the 80mm as exhaust. Or the nhl9x65 with the current setup im using right now since i cant fit a 120 fan up top?
So I have both of these coolers and have tested them in various configurations. The NH-L9x65 is only slightly better than the NH-L9a. The NH-L12S is by far the best low profile cooler. It looks like your case can support that cooler So I would definitely recommend the L12S over both of the other options.
I got an l9i for my am4 node 202 build. I was getting thermal shutdowns while gaming which is obviously not good. The main problem was airflow, the small fan was not able to pull in air from the top of the case and force it out the side. I stuck a 140 mm fan over the motherboard and that made it perform quite well. Since then I have swityched to an id-cooling is-60 that barely fits in my case and am getting good results. I thought the l9i would be good enough for my stock 1600 cpu, but live and learn I guess.
Yep, airflow is king. These compact cases can be tough cool sometimes.
with the id cooling is-60 are you still using the fan over the motherboard? also with that new cooling are you able to get an overclock at all? what are you're temps now?
IAmCjcj11 no extra fan. The Id cooling cooler, and the slim fan that comes with it just barely fits in the node 202. I haven't tried overclocking since I was frustrated with the cooler before hand not handling stock. I can run some stock vs overclock temp testing if you want.
that would be greatly appreciated. ive really been wanting the node 202 for a while now and im about to drop the cash on this pc, and now im having second thoughts on if i should go with that or the nano s for much better air flow and even water cooling possibility later down the line (definitely not on the ryzen 1600 but maybe for ryzen 2 down the line), but i really wanted it to be as tiny as possible and the nano s is a pretty chubby mini itx case lol
IAmCjcj11 k it might be a few days before I can do the tests. As a note. My cooler is just barely compatible with my motherboard, the gigabyte am4 itx board. It seems to have a bit more room between the socket and ram slots than other itx boards and my cooler's metal touches the side of the heat spreaders on my ram. I've definitely heard good things about the nano s, but I totally feel you on it being chubby. It would be a safe choice. If you want a compromise between the 2, you could go for the Node 304. You can fit a full tower air cooler in there with intake and exhaust case fans.
Considering the fin's mass or size (according to dimensions), the L9a is around 14% more, which hypothetically might give a 14% reduction in thermals compared to the L9i. If this was true the L9a under 100% load should temp at 65.4C. Why did Noctua make the AMD heatsink larger than the Intel?
AMD motherboards have a larger "keep out zone". So Noctua was able to make a slightly larger AMD cooler.
How did you get the 120mm fan on the cooler? Aren't the mounts different?
you can see that it's mounted to the case on the side
May I ask how did you set the max fan RPM? mine goes all the way to 2600 which is prretty noisy... I have a ryzen 3600 + biostar x370gtn.
I always set my fan curves in the BIOS
Excellent video...
I found a video earlier where a guy took the very thin fan from a Cryorig C7 and put it on the Wraith Spire heatsink in place of its own fat impeller fan. It managed to fit quite well inside a small for factor case with 1mm to spare and increased cooling dramatically. Interestingly the wraith spire is made by Cryorig and the fan screw holes fit perfectly.
Yea, I was thinking about doing that in my S4 mini... but it still would have been too tall. I have another Ryzen build in the pipeline, maybe I will test that out.
Yaaay! Finally!
Haha, sorry for the delay
Damn just bought the l9i for my s4 mini build, I assumed it was just the mounting hardware that was different. Oh well. I need the ryzen bracket for it anyway, any idea where to get them in the UK?
You should be able to get the right from Noctua's website.
Tek Everything yeah i haven't got the mobo yet, gonna get one from Japan when I go at the end of the month. You need the invoice to get a free one.
Thanks for doing this. I'm going to be grabbing the 9a (need to really cool an old A10-5800k). Consider me a subscriber.
It is a great little cooler, enjoy and welcome to the channel.
What case is that? all I could hear was asrock mini thanks
NH-L9a is not compatible with the LGA 1151 motherboard.
Correct
An asking Noctua I have a version and looks if they send me i brackets will work on micro atx and atx boards but not on itx only because not enough clearance on motherboard parts but on larger form factors that is not the case
Nice job!!!
I noticed that the 2 different attachments (one is thinner ) for the screws for the holes in the mainboard changed in the video for both coolers
And I just noticed that i have the wrong attachment for my Mainboard (i need the thinner one because i have AM3+). So my question: can i swap/change the attachment and where do i get it or do i need to change the cooler?
Are you referring to the AM4 upgrade kit? You can pick one up directly from noctua, I actually did a video on it.
Tek Everything ok i just realised that i bought the wrong cooler for my PC. I need the NH-L9a. I hope i can swap them without any complications because the Box still looks like new. But your videos really helped and are well made, keep it up!
Nice dude
what is the maximum memory height with this motherboard and this cooler? I have same motherboard, wondering memory (upgrade) size with this cooler.
These coolers don't interfere with memory, it can be as tall as you want
sweet beats
First.... Nice video as always bro... Keep it up and let's get you to 10K
Almost there!
Indeed and well deserved bro.. Notification Squad will be there to shout out when you hit.. Keep up the good work
Try using the NF-A9 PWM fan instead.
I just picked on of them up, works great.
Excellent video. Would give 3 thumbs up if I could.
Can the 9i use on amd ryzen boards?like as rock ab350?
Yes, you can use the 9i on AM4 boards.
Can I use this cooler with I7-8700K without no OC ?
My Case : Fractal Node 202
You may be able to get away with it for gaming... but I wouldn't recommend it.
I’m not sure. You can fit bigger heatsinks into Node 202 like Cryorig C7 or even Big Shurinken
@@OnderTARIM The maximum CPU cooler height in the Node 202 is 56mm.
Can you compare the c7 and the big shiruken with these two
Maybe in the future. I don't have either of those coolers, and I don't really intend on buying them anytime soon.
So noctua made a hybrid cpu cooler with 1cm of area being passively cooled and the rest is actively cooled!! Hahahhaha
Shouldn't you use a constant fan speed? If you use a fan curve it will interfere with the measurements, as it may try to keep a constant fan speed rather than a constant amount of cooling...
If you really want to use a fan curve you should measure the DB level of the fan or RPM of the fan for each test. Probably the other cooler is running at similar temps but the fan is running much slower/quieter
I wanted to compare them in a real world setting. Also at 100% load both fans were running at the same exact rpm the entire time.
can the 9i be used in amd. if given an am4 upgrade kit
niswa khalifah if one exists
Anyone know how i can fit a 120 mm fan on a l9a like tekeverything does at the end of the video?
There are adapters for doing this. The advantage is that a 120mm fan can cool off other board components as well.
Can the fan be updated on this cooler?
why would you want to? Noctua fans are like..one of the more premium brands..i'm sure you can tho
Alejandro Martinez You can get the standard height Noctua 92mm fan. The fan each of these comes with is 14mm thick, so the 25mm version will up the performance of either cooler by a good margin. That's assuming you have an extra 11mm of space.
The stock i model includes screws for a 25 mm version fan. Can't say how much more cooling this would provide.
better to get a thicker heatsink with a thinner fan.
You can update to a standard 25mm fan if you want yes, Both coolers come with longer screws for this purpose in the box. I don't know how much performance you would gain, the including fan is excellent.
They should have been tested on the AMD mobo, switching the mounts
That is how they were tested.
can you show more action than talking please. too much talking is boring to watch
Maybe I can incorporate some fight scenes into the next video
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HUH??? These are the same coolers... the I is for Intel and the a for AMD so the thermals will be that same given the same TDP. Don't get the comparison